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Filthy Rich, Young Influencers · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
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  Speaker 2: on today's show, a YouTube family flee the country ahead
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  Speaker 2: of the kids' social media ban. Has Olivia Rogers rekindled
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  Speaker 2: her friendship with stylist Paul Versace? and the AFR's eye-watering
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  Speaker 2: Young Rich list. But first, Matt Zukowski has been spotted
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  Speaker 2: on a second date with Adelaide normie Emily Lawson, despite
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  Speaker 2: hosing down relationship speculation on his podcast. The pair attended
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  Speaker 2: Derby Day together alongside a group of friends, Kate. This
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  Speaker 2: one surprised me because I thought she really messed things
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  Speaker 2: up on the first date because it was only three
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago when she essentially hard-launched her relationship with Matt
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  Speaker 2: on an Instagram story. And Matt didn't seem happy about
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  Speaker 2: it on his podcast. No, he jumped on his own
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  Speaker 2: podcast and essentially watered down those rumors and always had
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a laugh about it with his co-host
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  Speaker 2: Anna McAvoy saying that people were getting a bit ahead
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  Speaker 2: of themselves and saying he was quite shocked to see
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  Speaker 2: that image floating around. Well, it seemed like they were
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  Speaker 2: kind of inferring Emily was a bit of a clout
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  Speaker 2: chaser because Anna made a comment that Emily should have
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  Speaker 2: kept the story to her close friends list.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Well, also Matt did reiterate that while Emily was a
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  Speaker 2: nice girl, it definitely wasn't a hard launch and he
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  Speaker 2: was very much single. I wonder if they discussed social
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  Speaker 2: media etiquette this time because Emily ended up posting another
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  Speaker 2: mirror selfie, but this time her and Matt's heads.
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  Speaker 1: Were cropped out of the photo. So it was just
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  Speaker 1: of their bodies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you could kind of, I mean, you couldn't really
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  Speaker 2: make out who it was.
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  Speaker 1: However, she backed it up.
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  Speaker 2: On her Instagram story by resharing another story that she
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  Speaker 2: was tagged in. So in this story, The person films
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  Speaker 2: and pans around and there's Emily and then there's some
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  Speaker 2: friends and then there's Matt.
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  Speaker 1: So it was obvious they were together.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they also backed it up by sharing individual photos
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  Speaker 2: in the same hotel room, which clearly one another had taken. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: someone commented under Emily's photo, camera person did well, to
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  Speaker 2: which she replied, he's a pro. I mean, he really
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  Speaker 2: is a pro. I'm sure he took a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Tammy's content back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: Tall people are also very good at taking photos. They
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  Speaker 2: get the right angles. When these photos started emerging, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh my God, imagine if Tammy Hembrough runs
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  Speaker 2: into them because she was there at Derby Day being
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  Speaker 2: dressed by Paul Versace. But then I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: hang on. Matt and Emily, they're sitting out on the
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  Speaker 2: lawn with the general public like Tammy's in a marquee.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to chat about this more on Friday's show,
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  Speaker 2: but I want to point out that today is the
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne Cup and I am really shocked at how many
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  Speaker 2: influencers are quite happy to be posting photos at horse
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  Speaker 2: racing events. I feel like five years ago, there was
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  Speaker 2: a huge movement of saying nup to the cup. And
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  Speaker 2: now it's kind of like, oh, everyone's forgot about it.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever. Let's just attend. Who cares?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's so interesting to see how that's all changed. I
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  Speaker 2: thought the Grand Prix was the replacement for the Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: Cup where everyone gets dressed up, but it seems like
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  Speaker 2: people want a second opportunity to do that during the year.
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  Speaker 3: Today, I'm leaving my wife and kids and moving from
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  Speaker 3: Australia all the way to the UK by myself.
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  Speaker 2: A family of Perth YouTubers have announced they're moving to
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  Speaker 2: the UK to avoid Australia's upcoming social media ban for children.
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  Speaker 2: The Empire family are packing up and leaving their hometown
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  Speaker 2: all in a bid to save their 14-year-old daughter's platform
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  Speaker 2: before it's suspended. Kate, before we get into it, can
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  Speaker 2: you get listeners up to speed with the ban? So
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  Speaker 2: Australia is implementing a world-first social media ban for children.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of eyes are on Australia at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: The ban is designed to protect young people from the
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  Speaker 2: harmful impact of social media. Now, as of the 10th
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  Speaker 2: of December, children under 16 can no longer have accounts
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  Speaker 2: on major social media platforms. Now, the onus is on
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  Speaker 2: social media businesses to take reasonable steps to prevent children
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  Speaker 2: from using their platforms. So this means they need to
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  Speaker 2: detect and deactivate accounts of users under 16, as well
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  Speaker 2: as stop them from creating accounts.
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  Speaker 1: Now, platforms that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't comply could face fines of almost $ 50 million. Now,
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  Speaker 2: those platforms include Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, X, and also YouTube. Now,
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  Speaker 2: originally YouTube was actually exempt from the ban, but that
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  Speaker 2: decision was reversed earlier this year. So children under 16
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  Speaker 2: will still be able to view videos on YouTube. but
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  Speaker 2: they can't have their own account. And that means they
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  Speaker 2: won't be able to upload content or interact on the
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  Speaker 2: platform at all. A lot of kids were hoping that
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  Speaker 2: YouTube wouldn't be included on the list. And I'm guessing
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  Speaker 2: YouTube being included in this ban is what has pushed
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  Speaker 2: the Empire family over the edge to move to London.
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  Speaker 2: I have never heard of the Empire family. Are they
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  Speaker 2: someone I should be watching?
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  Speaker 1: Look, I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Familiar with them either until this story went viral. So
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  Speaker 2: they're a family of four from Perth. The family is
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  Speaker 2: made up of mothers, Beck and Beck, yes, they have
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  Speaker 2: the same name, and their children, 17-year-old son Presley and
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  Speaker 2: 14-year-old daughter Charlie. Now, they launched the YouTube channel in
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  Speaker 2: 2018 after their then primary school age kids begged them
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  Speaker 2: to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Ironically, the mothers.
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  Speaker 2: Were initially apprehensive to allow their kids online due to
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  Speaker 2: the dangers, but they finally gave in. Now, this move
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  Speaker 2: clearly paid off because over the last seven years, they've
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  Speaker 2: attracted 6 million followers across their combined social media platforms
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  Speaker 2: and content creation is now their full-time job. The kids
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  Speaker 2: now have branched off and have their own social media platforms.
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  Speaker 2: So they've got their own YouTube channels, their own Instagram accounts,
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  Speaker 2: and Beck claims to manage their teenager's accounts entirely, including
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  Speaker 2: saying that she films, edits and monitors the comments.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we have to take that.
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  Speaker 2: On face value, but do you think it's realistic to
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  Speaker 2: think that those teenagers don't have.
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  Speaker 1: Any interaction with their own account?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the kids are definitely jumping on and having a
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  Speaker 2: look at the comments and engaging with people. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: their mum may also have the logins, but I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: that they both have logins. I mean, surely 17-year-old Presley
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  Speaker 2: has access to his own account. And I would say
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  Speaker 2: 14-year-old Charlie does as well, Now she is the one
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  Speaker 2: that's actually affected by Australia's new social media rules. The
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  Speaker 2: ban means that she is set to lose 536,000 YouTube
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  Speaker 2: subscribers and 188 Instagram followers alongside 284 TikTok followers. So
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  Speaker 2: could they just pause their account though and then they
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  Speaker 2: could get it back when they are over 16 or
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  Speaker 2: does it wipe them completely?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it depends on the platform.
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  Speaker 2: Some platforms are allowing accounts to be archived, and then
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  Speaker 2: when you're over 16, you can reactivate.
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  Speaker 1: Them, whereas others are just completely deleting them.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a bit unfair to delete them, particularly
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  Speaker 2: because social media is big business these days. And whilst
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  Speaker 2: perhaps unethical to do so, these children have still cultivated
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  Speaker 2: a huge following.
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  Speaker 1: Through hard work.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if you can transfer the ownership to your parent.
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  Speaker 2: It will be very interesting to see how this all
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  Speaker 2: works in the real world. And whether people will be
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  Speaker 2: able to protest against certain pages disappearing. It will be
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  Speaker 2: because at the moment, there's not a blanket rule. The
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  Speaker 2: onus is all on the social media companies to come
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  Speaker 2: up with a plan and they don't all have to
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  Speaker 2: operate from the same plan. Now, in terms of how
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  Speaker 2: the Empire family announced this news to their fans, they
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  Speaker 2: uploaded a TikTok where they shared that Beck was on
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  Speaker 2: the way to London to look for a house for
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  Speaker 2: the family. So she left her wife and kids at
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  Speaker 2: home while she did that. And in the voiceover, she
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  Speaker 2: spoke about the difficult decision to relocate to save Charlie's
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  Speaker 2: social media account. Now, she claimed that they came to
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  Speaker 2: the decision after Charlie decided that she no longer wanted
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  Speaker 2: to attend.
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  Speaker 1: Normal school and would finish school online.
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  Speaker 2: And because of that decision, Beck said they now have
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  Speaker 2: the freedom to live anywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: We're really lucky that social media is our full-time job,
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  Speaker 3: but what do you guys think of the new ban
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  Speaker 3: that's coming in for Australia for under-16s? Lucky for Charlie,
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  Speaker 3: she's only 14, but we're going to be living in
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  Speaker 3: London and she's a British citizen as well, so it
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  Speaker 3: won't actually affect her. It's only for Australians under 16
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  Speaker 3: years old. And to be completely honest with you guys,
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  Speaker 3: it's actually one of the reasons we decided to leave Australia.
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  Speaker 2: This might sound crazy, but I can kind of see
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  Speaker 2: why they're doing this. Even if you can freeze your
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  Speaker 2: account and save your followers... By the time you jump
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  Speaker 2: back on there in a couple of years' time, those
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  Speaker 2: people still aren't going to be potentially engaged in your
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  Speaker 2: content anymore because you really have to grow with your
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  Speaker 2: audience and keep putting out constant content in order to
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  Speaker 2: stay in people's minds. So in Charlie's situation, in two years'
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  Speaker 2: time when she comes back to social media when she's 16,
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  Speaker 2: people probably won't care about her anymore because there's been
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  Speaker 2: this whole period of her.
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  Speaker 1: Life which they've missed out on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I personally feel like a 14-year-old shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: having a career on social media. I understand that she's
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  Speaker 2: cultivated this following off the back of the family channel,
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  Speaker 2: but the fact that the government is implementing these bans
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  Speaker 2: shows just how damaging social media is to people under
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  Speaker 2: 16 and, I mean, people over 16 as well. But
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  Speaker 2: also how damaging is it going to be for her
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  Speaker 2: mental health when she loses a platform that.
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  Speaker 1: She could potentially build a huge career off?
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  Speaker 2: Well, in comparison to uprooting her whole life to move
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  Speaker 2: to a different country away from all her friends and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the place that she grew up in. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's a massive life change. And I think in terms
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  Speaker 2: of social media, you can be deplatformed in the blink
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  Speaker 2: of an eye.
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  Speaker 1: Your TikTok can get deleted. You can be cancelled.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that it would be such a big deal
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  Speaker 2: as a kid getting your platform of hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of followers taken away from you, but it's pretty extreme
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  Speaker 2: to uproot your whole life. Oh, I'm not saying it's
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  Speaker 2: not extreme, but from a business perspective, I can see
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  Speaker 2: why it'd be worthwhile for them to keep this platform around.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is what's upset a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: because it's like, well, are you thinking of your daughter
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  Speaker 2: or are you thinking from a business perspective? Because the
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  Speaker 2: moms still have their own account. The son can have
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  Speaker 2: his account. Why can't they operate, you know, on their
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  Speaker 2: own social media accounts and just keep Charlie off it
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  Speaker 2: for the next two years? Because clearly she's probably cracked
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  Speaker 2: it behind closed doors and thinks, well, this is unfair
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  Speaker 2: that my brother gets to go on there. He's only
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years older than me. My mums get
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  Speaker 2: to do it. Now, as you would expect, this video
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  Speaker 2: attracted a huge response. A lot of people agreed with
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  Speaker 2: UK and said that they couldn't believe that the family
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  Speaker 2: was uprooting their kids' lives to continue one of their
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  Speaker 2: child social media careers. One user wrote, moving because of
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  Speaker 2: the social media ban is ridiculous. That ban is one
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  Speaker 2: of the best things to happen. We travel often for
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  Speaker 2: work and we were looking to move before the ban
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  Speaker 2: was confirmed. We were already leaving and decided to leave
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  Speaker 2: before the ban begun. I mean, that contradicts what she
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  Speaker 2: said in the video, though, because she said, to be
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  Speaker 2: completely honest with you guys, it's actually one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons we decided to leave Australia. Now, this story ended
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  Speaker 2: up making mainstream media and Beck was subsequently interviewed by
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  Speaker 2: Mamma Mia. And she said when they heard the ban
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  Speaker 2: was actually happening, they had to come up with a
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  Speaker 2: solution to keep Charlie online because.
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  Speaker 1: She loves it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Charlie was also interviewed and she said that a
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  Speaker 2: blanket approach was wrong and that she doesn't think it'll
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  Speaker 2: stop teens from using social media. Her mother chimed in
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  Speaker 2: saying the internet is not going away and we need
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  Speaker 2: to teach kids how to use it responsibly. I think
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  Speaker 2: that the social media ban is a step that we
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  Speaker 2: need to take and it's going to be a very
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  Speaker 2: positive one. The issue lies though with the children who
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  Speaker 2: have already grown up on social media and who already
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  Speaker 2: have accounts. They're going to find this ban very difficult
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  Speaker 2: and it's going to be very tough for all of
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  Speaker 2: the platforms to actually deactivate their accounts. I would hate
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  Speaker 2: to be the parents of these teenagers that are getting
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  Speaker 2: kicked off social media. It'd absolutely be a nightmare dealing
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  Speaker 2: with them because Let's be honest, they're all addicted to
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  Speaker 2: social media, just like we are. I mean, I would
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  Speaker 2: find it really hard if someone was like, hang on,
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  Speaker 2: you can't go on it anymore. I also think that
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  Speaker 2: there is going to be a lot of pressure on
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  Speaker 2: the parents to make sure that this ban sticks with
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  Speaker 2: their kids and they're not finding other ways to get
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  Speaker 2: around it. Well, in saying that, there aren't any penalties
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  Speaker 2: for kids that use social media. All the penalties are
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  Speaker 2: directed at the social media companies. I think what isn't
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  Speaker 2: helping this situation is the uncertainty around how platforms are
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  Speaker 2: actually implementing the ban. Because even though we're so close
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  Speaker 2: to it happening, we still don't know how it's taking effect.
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  Speaker 2: There's been speculation that platforms could potentially use facial recognition
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  Speaker 2: technology or even have official ID checks. These proposed methods, though,
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  Speaker 2: have sparked a lot of fears around data privacy breaches
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  Speaker 2: and the accuracy of age verification software. Now, the government
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  Speaker 2: has come out and said social media platforms aren't required
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  Speaker 2: to use any specific technology's And they're also not required
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  Speaker 2: to enforce government ID checks to prove age. Instead, they've
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  Speaker 2: been told they must offer practical alternatives. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it's a bit of a cop-out that the government aren't
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  Speaker 2: being more hands-on at telling social media companies what they
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  Speaker 2: need to do and helping them come up with a solution.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like they don't want to be the
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  Speaker 2: bad guys and enforce these strict protocols. But I mean, realistically,
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  Speaker 2: how are social media platforms meant to do it otherwise?
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  Speaker 1: You have your own McDonald's?
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  Speaker 3: No way!
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  Speaker 2: It's that time of year when we marvel at just
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  Speaker 2: how much bank some influencers make. Late last week, the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Financial Review released their list of Australia's richest 40
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  Speaker 2: and under, and there were some familiar names on the list.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in order to qualify in 2025, you need a
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  Speaker 1: fortune of at least $ 44.
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  Speaker 2: Million, Kate.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the collective wealth of the top 100 young Australians
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  Speaker 2: is $ 45 billion, which is pretty remarkable. That is an
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  Speaker 2: eye-watering figure. And obviously, we're looking at this from an
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  Speaker 2: influencer perspective. But $ 28 billion of those dollars was actually
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  Speaker 2: from the tech sector. So the influencers actually fared quite
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  Speaker 2: low on the list in comparison. Well, there is a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a crossover with that because the majority of
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  Speaker 2: influencers who made the list all have fitness tech platforms.
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  Speaker 2: So Kayla, it's seen as took out top spot for
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  Speaker 2: fitness influences coming in at 38 with $ 176 million. I
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  Speaker 2: love how her ex-fiance and former business partner, Toby Pierce
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  Speaker 2: was ranked just above her with 179 million. Like I
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  Speaker 2: wonder how they work that out. Well, he has a
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  Speaker 2: number of other businesses. He's got a lot of fingers
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  Speaker 2: in other pies.
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  Speaker 1: So does Kayla.
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  Speaker 2: We heard recently that she owns petrol stations and medical centers.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously his other businesses are just doing slightly better
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  Speaker 2: than hers. And Then there was Emily Skye Anderson in
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  Speaker 2: 62nd place with $ 107 million, followed by Tammy Hembrough in
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  Speaker 2: 90th spot with $ 58 million. And then Steph Clare Smith
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  Speaker 2: rounded off the 100 places with $ 44 million. I always
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  Speaker 2: wonder why Laura Henshaw is always missed off these lists,
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  Speaker 2: because she is Steph Clare Smith's business partner. She presumably
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  Speaker 2: has around the same money as Steph. So is it
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  Speaker 2: a thing you can actually opt out of? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: I think so, because your financial wealth is your own business. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: they're having to provide these figures to the AFR.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you.
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  Speaker 2: Say that because the AFR included a little disclaimer about
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  Speaker 2: how they calculate people's wealth. So the valuations are calculated
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  Speaker 2: using publicly available information, including measuring share prices. So it
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  Speaker 2: makes me think perhaps the individuals aren't contacted and put
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  Speaker 2: themselves forward for it. The advertiser had their own version
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  Speaker 2: of the rich list. which I don't think that they
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  Speaker 2: actually researched properly. I think they just ranked people wherever
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to rank them because the shameless girls were
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  Speaker 2: in there. And they have spoken before about how they
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: don't publicly outline how much money their business makes and
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  Speaker 2: they don't feel comfortable to go into it. I assume
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  Speaker 2: because they want to maintain a a relatability with their audience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So basically they just go, oh, okay, who are people
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  Speaker 2: that have a public platform and look like they're doing well?
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, we'll put them on the list and
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  Speaker 1: rank them where we see.
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  Speaker 2: Because obviously these lists get a lot of engagement and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of clicks. Well, back to the AFR's list,
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  Speaker 2: Roxy Jasenko's husband, Oliver Curtis, debuted in 12th position with
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  Speaker 2: an estimated.
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  Speaker 1: Fortune of $ 444 million.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: What is it that he does again? So he is
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: now the co-founder and CEO of an Australian AI infrastructure
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: company called Firmus. And this is an absolute monumental turnaround
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: for him considering that he was jailed in 2016 for
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: insider trading.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Wow. Was Roxy on this list as well? No, she wasn't.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Well, she shut down her PR business, Sweaty Betty, for
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: a number of years when she moved to Singapore and
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: for Oliver's business, which I can see why now after
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: hearing how much money he's earned. It makes sense why
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: they've sent Pixie off to that expensive Swiss boarding school.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Did you see all the presents she got when she
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: visited home?
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: It wasn't surprising because they are known for having the
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: most extravagant birthday wish lists and Christmas lists.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Her sweet 16 is going to be huge.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Well, her past birthdays I've noticed have actually been quite
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: subdued in relation to the other ones. Maybe it's no
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: longer cool to have a big show off party. She
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of 16th, especially when the dad's worth nearly $ 500 million,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: far out. US influencer Kate Cassidy has shared what she
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: says is a sign from her late boyfriend, Liam Payne,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: after she was involved in a car crash last week. Now,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the 26-year-old shared a video on Instagram revealing she'd been
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: involved in the accident. So the reel began with the caption,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: how it started, and showed her getting into a bright
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: blue Lamborghini. It then cut to footage of the car's
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: front badly damaged with the caption, how it ended. And
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: she added, lesson learned. Don't let your girlfriend drive your
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: brand new car. Now, the current question belonged to Kate's friend,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Alexandra Gale's boyfriend. Thankfully, no one was injured in the crash,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: but it didn't stop the media running with very sensationalized headlines.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: A number of publications made readers have to click to
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the story to find out if Kate was okay, while
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: other publications almost made it sound like the couple were cursed.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: With bad luck. Yeah, it was really gross.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I kept seeing this pop up on Facebook, probably because
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I am a huge One Direction fan. I was going
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: to say, this hasn't been in.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: My algorithm at all. And I was like, oh my God,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: is she okay?
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: And I just thought it was really sick the way
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: they were plastering photos of her and Liam and sort
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: of alluding that something tragic had happened to her as well.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: That is gross.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Now, following the accident, Kate believes she received a sign
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: from Liam. And anyone who follows her knows that she's
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: really into numerology, like Taylor Swift level, that she is
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: into numerology. And she often posts little signs to her
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Instagram story that she believes are from Liam. In particular,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the angel number 444, which she also ended up getting
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: tattooed on her hand. Now, in numerology... 444 is a
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: sign that the angels are with you and they're going
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to guide you step by step. Now, I am not
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: shitting you, but Kate received a police crash number, which
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: she ended up posting on her Instagram, which.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Ended in 444. Now, what are the chances of that?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Look, I have to be skeptical here. I think if
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you're looking out for particular numbers and signs all the time,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: then you're going to see them because you're going to
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: read into things a lot.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It's pretty freaky though.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I... I think that if there's something that
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: gives you peace and makes you feel better, then go
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm not judging.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, believe what you want, but I do sometimes
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: think if there is a number that you're always focused on,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you're obviously going to notice it a lot more. It
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: appears Olivia Rogers and her former stylist, Paul Versace, otherwise
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: known as Style by Bloom, may have rekindled their friendship.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: So at the start of this year, rumors were swelling
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: that the former besties had a massive bust up, which
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: led them to unfollow each other. Now, the telltale sign
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: was when Olivia stopped working with Paul altogether. I feel
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: like she was the one that made him big on Instagram.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: No one really knew who he was before he started
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: working with her.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Well, because now he works with a lot of top
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Aussie influencers and also a lot of the wives and
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: girlfriends of AFL players.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: He dressed a lot of.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Them for the Brownlow. Well, more recently, Tammy Hembrough for
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Derby Day. That was a massive get for him. Tammy
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: spent the whole weekend hanging out with Paul and Paul's boyfriend.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: And Tag.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Him.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Well, funnily enough, Paul's boyfriend's name is Bale Smith. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: very close to Bailey Smith. So the media were running
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: with these headlines, Tammy Hembrough reveals surprise relationship update as
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: she poses with Bale Smith at Derby Day. So they
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: were acting as if Tammy had moved on with a
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: guy with a very similar name to her ex-flame, Bailey Smith.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: But it was actually Paul Versace's boyfriend. That is hilarious. Well,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: getting back to Olivia and Paul, the reason why people
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: think that things are back on between them is due
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to a comment that Paul left on one of Olivia's
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: recent videos. So she posted a reel showcasing her spring
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: carnival looks from the archives, and she asked her followers
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: which were their favorites. Now, Paul decided to comment on
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: this post. He wrote, So many faves with star emojis.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Kate? Well, I feel like when
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Olivia addressed the Paul situation earlier this year, she kind
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of left the door open. She spoke about how they're
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: not working together because he now lives in Queensland. But
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: she never said, oh, we're not friends.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: That was just sort of the impression that everyone took
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: by it. What do you think?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't unfollow someone if you're still rooting
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: for them and want to be friends with them. I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: think that maybe... they could just be exchanging pleasantries at
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the moment and pretending to be nice to one another. Well,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: they're obviously following each other again if they're leaving comments. Well,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like by sharing some of her past looks
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: that Paul put together, it was almost like extending an
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: olive branch to him because he did style her for
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a number of these horse racing events. Do we think
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that Olivia wants him back in terms of his styling ability? Well,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: maybe she sees him working with all these other top
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: influencers and she's like, oh.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: He's good. I mean, he is good. I mean, it's
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: not hard to make Olivia Rogers look good, but he
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: did do a good job of it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Melbourne influencer Beck Lomas has announced the arrival of her
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: baby boy, Tommy. The first time mum shared the news
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to her 130,000 followers on Instagram, saying the C-section was
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: a good decision with her son's head circumference measuring a
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: whopping 37 centimetres which for those playing at home, placed
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: him in the 75th to 90th percentile for their heads.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: As babies, we had very big heads. We were in
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the 90th percentile as well, and we were prem. So
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Wolbeck predicted all along that she was going to have
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: a big baby, and she was right. She also thought
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: that he'd have a thick head of hair because she
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: had experienced really terrible acid reflux throughout her pregnancy. She
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: was also right with that. He had a full head
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: of hair.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I was quite shocked at how much hair he had.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I know it's an old wives' tale, but I believe
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it because judging from our three babies, my son was
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: born with the most hair and I had the worst
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: acid reflux.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think you really had it that much. No,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And Luca actually was born with a little bit of hair.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know when they lose it, like he
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: subsequently lost it. For any pregnant women who are listening
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and suffering from acid reflux, I got this from Victoria Divine,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: but have fruit tingles. It helped.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I used to take it like my medication.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Well, getting back to Beck, She did opt for a
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: C-section due to her son being in the breech position.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And for weeks now, she has been documenting on Instagram
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the process of trying to flip him into the vertex
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: position through different exercises. I have really enjoyed watching all
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of her pregnancy content. In particular, she was sharing her
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: first couple of weeks of maternity leave. And she was
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: doing this huge clean out of her house. So every
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: day she'd set herself the task of cleaning a different room.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: But that is a hard task when you're heavily pregnant. Yeah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and I just thought it was so clever because, I mean,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: she showed her TV unit and one of the drawers
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: was literally full of just old cords that were all
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: just tied together. And she said, look, we've lived here
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: for like three years and we've never, ever touched this.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And, Bec, you're correct.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Those are jobs that you are never going to get
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: around to doing. I remember the day before Luca was born,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: We still had the prints in our nursery to put
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: up and I was about to put them into frames
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and I was like, no, I've got to sit down.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Those pictures have not gone up. I don't think they'll
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: ever go up. Oh, it's the worst. You really do
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: feel like the clock is ticking. You're like, there's no
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: way I'm going to have any time to prioritize this.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And then also your house gets filled with even more
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: crap because babies come with a lot of stuff and
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: they grow out of it quickly.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Like, where do I put all this?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: A lot of cardboard as well from all the things
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you buy. Now there was a lot of love on
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: this post. Laura Henshaw wrote, congratulations, Angel. Victoria Devine also wrote,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: welcome to the world, Tommy. You're already so loved. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: didn't know that the two of them were friends.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, neither did I.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, they both live in Melbourne, so that's assuming
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that they've been to events together. What did you think
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: of the name, Tommy?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: It was so refreshing to hear a normal name and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It just made me think of Tommy Fury.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the influence.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me think, is it Thomas and the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: nickname's Tommy? Or are you just going with Tommy on
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the birth certificate? He's a gorgeous baby as well. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't get over how cute he was. Now, it's quite
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: interesting though, because when Beck uploaded her post, Instagram flagged
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: that one of the photos had been altered using AI.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So this is a new feature on Instagram. So any
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: content that is created using a third party AI tool,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it will receive an AI info label if you post
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: it on your feed. So when you click on the label,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it then outlines to any of your followers that the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: content may have been created with AI and it gives
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: users ways to help identify it. Now they have that
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: in place so people can obviously tell if something has
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: been highly altered For instance, I mean, I saw one recently,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: a Halloween post where there was a kangaroo who was
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: supposedly punching a ghost in someone's yard. I mean, I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: thought it was fairly obvious that it was AI, but
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: it is there for people who might not be across
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: at all. I mean, I think it's helpful, particularly if
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: someone has run their photo through AI to enhance the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: way they look.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Like, I think that's great.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Or for any fake news that people are posting about,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: because I constantly see fake news headlines with altered pictures
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of celebrities. Now, I want to point out that in
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Beck's photo dump, there were a lot of photos of
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: her looking very glamorous, I have to say.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, she looked so good. I was like, God, I
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: did not look like that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: See, these were the photos I was hoping for, but
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I got the complete opposite of them.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I had my hairnet on.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: My husband wouldn't let me take the hairnet off anyway.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that she really wanted to clear up
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the fact that she didn't AI any of the surgical
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: photos or any of that sort of stuff. She clarified
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in her stories that no AI was involved in the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: birth announcement. She wrote, I swear I didn't AI this post.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I used Gemini to change Josh's hairnet from red to
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: blue because it was very jarring, but then ended up
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: turning the whole photo black and white anyway. It's funny
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: because you would assume that she would be turning it
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: black and white for any like red blood in the background,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: not like a red hairnet. I love that she's spending
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: her time after having her baby changing the hairnet. Why
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: is that something that I would do? God, she looks
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: like she's been having a good time in the private
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: hospital that she's at. Like I couldn't believe the meals
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that she's been posting, like cheesecakes. Well, it's like I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: heard Laura Byrne talking about being in a private hospital
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: for her daughter Poppy. And they had high teas every day.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, God, I really missed out in
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the public sector. God, then you go to the reality
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: back home. You're probably like, what the hell is my
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: high tea? I didn't actually eat one meal that the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: hospital provided me with. It looked that disgusting. On that note,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I think that is where we will leave you for today.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.
• 27:12
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• 27:35
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