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Can F1 stop Verstappen from walking? + Oscar Piastri's Miami chances · Pit Talk

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.
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  Speaker 1: On today's episode, Formula one agrees to regulation changes to
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  Speaker 1: its contentious twenty twenty six rule book, but will they
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  Speaker 1: be enough to improve the qualifying spectacle and to convince
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  Speaker 1: Max for Staffan to stay. And we look ahead to
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  Speaker 1: Formula one's resumption with this weekend Miami Grand Prix. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Michael Lamonado. It's great to have your company
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  Speaker 1: and the company of my co hosts. He likes his
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  Speaker 1: weather humored and his marinas made from plastic. It's Matt Clayton.
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  Speaker 2: Michael. There is nothing better about not having had a
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  Speaker 2: month of Formula one to watch, and then we come
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  Speaker 2: back for a race around a full stadium car Parker's
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  Speaker 2: peak Formula one.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: This is why we love this sport so much.
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  Speaker 3: We goes with all the great venues of.
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  Speaker 2: The world, including car parks of stadiums for other sports.
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  Speaker 2: But it is nice to be back. Because we were
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  Speaker 2: saying a little bit off air before, it feels to
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  Speaker 2: me that the three races we've had so far in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty they feel so long ago that I'm sort
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  Speaker 2: of stapling them to the end of last year, the
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven round, twenty twenty five Formula one calendar. Don't
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  Speaker 2: get the ideas Formula one because this is what's going
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  Speaker 2: to be in our future. But Albert Park and the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Grand Prix seems like six months ago, and it
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  Speaker 2: almost feels like we've got a hard reset.
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  Speaker 3: It has been quite a while.
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  Speaker 1: It has been more than a month now since the
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  Speaker 1: Australian Grand Prix, but that somehow doesn't even feel like
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  Speaker 1: it sums it up, because as you say, it feels
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  Speaker 1: thematically like a totally different era. We have had some
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  Speaker 1: rule changes in fact that might in fact make it
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  Speaker 1: something of a different era starting from the Miami Grand
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  Speaker 1: Prix this weekend. But it is nice to have Formula
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  Speaker 1: one back. You will know, though, for anyone who's going
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  Speaker 1: to brave some of the time zones coming up this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: although I note the races at six am, which is
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  Speaker 1: not terrible. You'll get two weeks off after that to
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  Speaker 1: recover from the Canadian Grand Prix, so quite a leisurely
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  Speaker 1: start to the Formula One season. It's got to be said,
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll be probably seeing a different tune when
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  Speaker 1: we get past a third triple header at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year or whatever. Yes, but for now, just
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  Speaker 1: soak it up, enjoy your timed with your loved ones,
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  Speaker 1: and you last the good weather before winter arrives. I
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  Speaker 1: guess let's go to those rule changes, though, as we
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  Speaker 1: set the scene ahead of the resumption of Formula One
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  Speaker 1: and the Miami Grand Prix this weekend, because they require
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of unpacking. I'm going to run through
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  Speaker 1: these section by section, qualifying race and then race starts,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to try and make them as straightforward
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  Speaker 1: as possible, because I think while we're all very excited
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  Speaker 1: by the idea the rules that have proved so contentious
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  Speaker 1: have been changed, how much detail we already want on
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  Speaker 1: those changes a little bit up for debate.
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  Speaker 3: I think we just want to.
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  Speaker 1: See the outcome at this point. But let me run
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  Speaker 1: through them. Nonetheless, one is a reduction in the battery
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  Speaker 1: still with me, battery recharge limit, and more races at
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  Speaker 1: which that recharge limit can be made, even lower so
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  Speaker 1: races where the batteries work particularly hard. I think, straight
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  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, places like mons are
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  Speaker 1: probably and spafrag le Sham and those kinds of track
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  Speaker 1: Canada to probably in a couple of weeks and peak
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  Speaker 1: super clipping or super chip, a Stem called it in
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  Speaker 1: an interview over the line a couple of weeks has
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  Speaker 1: been increased to three fifty kilos, so that means the
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  Speaker 1: amount of power that can be redirected from the petrol
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  Speaker 1: engine to charge the battery has been increased, so can
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  Speaker 1: charge faster at those moments where the cars sort of
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  Speaker 1: slow down around fast cans and that sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: So theoretically should slow down for less time if you like. Now,
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  Speaker 1: some of this is what we expect anyway, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: find out in Miami's lap times will be slightly slower,
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  Speaker 1: though not by as much as some people had feared.
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  Speaker 1: But the exchange for that, which we should probably be
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  Speaker 1: excited about, is that lifting and coasting, at least in
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  Speaker 1: the qualifying scenario has been pretty much eliminated, so we
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  Speaker 1: should look more normal as the car's power down the strait,
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  Speaker 1: and that's super clipping, as I said, should be much
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  Speaker 1: less intrusive. I think the sport's talking about up to
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  Speaker 1: four seconds at the most demanding track, and Miami shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be one of those, so maybe even less at this circuit.
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  Speaker 1: Which means we shouldn't see the dramatic thinking back to
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  Speaker 1: one thirty ar Old, and that's at the end of
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  Speaker 1: a long straight so it might not be the perfect example,
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  Speaker 1: but whereas cars were losing upwards of fifty kilometers per
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  Speaker 1: hour through that corner in Japan, that should be reduced.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've read somewhere more like twenty kilometers or less,
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  Speaker 1: and you're always losing sums a little bit of speed
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  Speaker 1: through one three hour Anyway, that's just one example. The
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  Speaker 1: sum is that theoretically this weekend we should see qualifying
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  Speaker 1: look a bit more like qualifying still through a car
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  Speaker 1: park of a circuit. But that's a step in the
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  Speaker 1: right direction if it works.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Look, there's a massive amount to unpack here, and I
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  Speaker 2: do appreciate the fact that you kept that to somewhere
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  Speaker 2: under three minutes, because this is just an example of
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  Speaker 2: Formula one being in it's little bubble and thinking that
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  Speaker 2: the majority of fans are going to stay with them
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  Speaker 2: for the very, very detailed explanations of these changes. You
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  Speaker 2: can look at this a few different ways. I think
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  Speaker 2: for someone that you and I, the qualifying has just
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  Speaker 2: been so unbelievably unsatisfying so far this season, something resembling
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  Speaker 2: a normal in air quotes qualifying, or something that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: look as egregiously bad as it has been so far.
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  Speaker 2: That's the time where you know, we always say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's today afternoon, the gloves are off, We're
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  Speaker 2: going to find out who's got the one lap speed
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  Speaker 2: and all of that sort of thing. We haven't had
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  Speaker 2: that so far this year because everything has been so compromised.
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  Speaker 2: So if there's going to be less of a compromise,
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to be a complete reset and perfect.
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  Speaker 2: If it's less of a compromise, we get to see
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  Speaker 2: the cars more on the limit for longer, and it
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  Speaker 2: puts the balance of influence on this much more back
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  Speaker 2: in the hands of the drivers. That's what we want
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  Speaker 2: to see. There's something, you know, Charla Clair is the
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  Speaker 2: person I always think of for this. His entire Ferrari
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  Speaker 2: career has been making magic on Saturdays for cars that
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: aren't particularly good, and you know, it's unfortunate that's going
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  Speaker 2: to be on his Wikipedia page forever in a day,
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  Speaker 2: but that is one of the things that sets him
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  Speaker 2: apart as a great driver, and he's able to outperform
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  Speaker 2: the machinery he's been given for the most part through
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  Speaker 2: his career because he's never had the best car in
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  Speaker 2: Formula One. The magic of laps like that or drivers
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  Speaker 2: like that has been muted with these rules. So if
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  Speaker 2: we're going back towards more putting it in their hands,
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  Speaker 2: that I'm all for it. The racing side of things
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  Speaker 2: is a couple of elements to this, isn't there There's
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  Speaker 2: an entertainment side on the safety side, and we saw,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the accident that we saw Olibahman have in
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  Speaker 2: Japan was one of those things that it was dramatic
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  Speaker 2: because of the impact. We were very lucky he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: more hurt, and it was also completely inevitable, And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the worst part about all this. We knew
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  Speaker 2: that there was going to be an accident like this
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  Speaker 2: at a particular point and a circuit like Suzuka. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you were there. Anyone that has watched that race.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very very thin ribbon of racetrack with very
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  Speaker 2: very limited runoff because it's a circuit that was built
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties, and if we're ever going to
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  Speaker 2: get an accident like that, it was probably going to
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  Speaker 2: be somewhere like that. So there's a safety element to
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  Speaker 2: all of this, I think for you more casuals and
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  Speaker 2: people who were just in to watch an hour and
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  Speaker 2: a half of good sport once every two weeks or
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  Speaker 2: ten weeks as the Formula one calendar goes. The passing
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  Speaker 2: and repassing that's been going on at the start of races,
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  Speaker 2: as compromised and as impure as it has been, at
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  Speaker 2: least it has been entertaining. So if you can sort
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  Speaker 2: of park your maybe it's not super authentic sort of
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  Speaker 2: stance over on one side of from an entertainment point
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  Speaker 2: of view, I guess it's okay, but I think putting
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  Speaker 2: more of this back in the hands of the drivers
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  Speaker 2: and showing a willingness to course correct. What was so
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  Speaker 2: interesting about the Stefano Domenicali interview that you were referencing
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  Speaker 2: there before, and I highly encourage people, after you've listened
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  Speaker 2: to this podcast to go find the podcast that this
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  Speaker 2: interview was on. There was a lot of everything's fine
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  Speaker 2: with Formula one, but we're still making changes, and it
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  Speaker 2: was an interesting position to bet. It's actually quite a
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  Speaker 2: fun interview to sort of watch the ducking and diving
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  Speaker 2: and weaving that's going on. But at least we have
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  Speaker 2: some changes. It's one of the benefits of this super
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  Speaker 2: long break. Now I guess, as I say it goes,
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  Speaker 2: the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure Miami is the greatest race track to
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  Speaker 2: demonstrate the success or otherwise of some of these, because
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  Speaker 2: I was joking that it is a race around a
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  Speaker 2: football stadium car park. It is a race around a
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  Speaker 2: football stadium car park. So it's not going to make
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  Speaker 2: the list of all time great circuits in Formula one.
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  Speaker 2: We need a better sample set for that. Canada will
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  Speaker 2: be a good one actually, because Canada is a proper
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  Speaker 2: old school racetrack with a variation of styles and corners.
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  Speaker 2: But at least the move has been made to try
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  Speaker 2: and address some of these problems, and now I guess
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  Speaker 2: we hold our breath to see whether they're successful or not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all about sample sizes, just as it was
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  Speaker 1: at the start of the year. I know we only
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  Speaker 1: waited three grand prey before changes were made, but it
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  Speaker 1: was clear some changes need to be made.
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  Speaker 2: But still we saw something in itself though, doesn't it Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It does, But still we saw three pretty different tracks,
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  Speaker 1: and I think most critically one really important track to
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  Speaker 1: the idea of what Formula one is, which is Suzuka,
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  Speaker 1: and just the negativity after the qualifying and race sessions there,
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  Speaker 1: I think said more than you need to know coming
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  Speaker 1: up we do, of course. I mean Monaco is going
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  Speaker 1: to be an outlier anyway, that's sort of in the
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  Speaker 1: near future, because I think the car's actually be quite
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  Speaker 1: good there, But like you say, Canada will be very
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  Speaker 1: interesting tests. And then after that Barcelona is not too
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  Speaker 1: far away either, and that's sort of your de facto
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  Speaker 1: does a car work here, Yes, then the car is good.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be a real demonstration. Plus having tested there a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a demonstration of how FRD the cars
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: have come. I think you're really right to say that
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  Speaker 1: it's important to get the cars back in the hands
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  Speaker 1: of the drivers because while they still obviously the defining
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  Speaker 1: performance element in qualifying of the race, the are the
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  Speaker 1: one turning the wheel. I think where there's been a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a disconnect thinking back to how these
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  Speaker 1: regulations were sold to us even just before preseason testing started,
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  Speaker 1: by some of the drivers who were willing to be
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit optimistic about them was that we were
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  Speaker 1: sort of sold this idea that you know, it's FORMA
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  Speaker 1: one as you know it obviously, but they have all
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  Speaker 1: this extra electrical power in their hands to use as
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  Speaker 1: they like. But now what Since then, we've discovered in
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  Speaker 1: practice a lot of that power is being dictated to
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  Speaker 1: them by the algorithm of the car, by the lack
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: of battery capacity, which means most tracks you're using more
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: power than you can regenerate, which has prompted a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these weird driving styles, which means there's just less
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  Speaker 1: scope for drivers to make the difference. I think that
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  Speaker 1: seems to be the objective now as well of Formula one,
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  Speaker 1: is to get back to what was sort of promised
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  Speaker 1: by these rules. I don't know if these regulations will
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  Speaker 1: finish the job. I thought it was interesting to note
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  Speaker 1: that some people at McLaren were talking about, and a
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  Speaker 1: couple of other teams in fact, that next year there's
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of foreshadowing of bigger changes to things like
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: fuel flow limits, which will boost the combustion power and
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: that'll make a big difference, because the problem is that
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: we've got this almost fifty to fifty split between combustion
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  Speaker 1: and electrical energy, and when the relationship between them is
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: so close, you're relying a lot on electrical energy, which
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: gets you used very quickly. WHEA is if you move
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: that relationship to being dominated by petrol energy, which is
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  Speaker 1: what it was last year under the previous set of
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  Speaker 1: engine rules, you have a more normal spectacle because it's
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  Speaker 1: just naturally more of that power can go towards the battery.
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  Speaker 1: It's topped up automatically. Essentially, you don't think about it
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  Speaker 1: as much. I think then what the bigger question is
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  Speaker 1: is what happens beyond that, because while you can make
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: some changes like that to fuel flow, you could detune
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: the engine, which the FAS said the team's rejected earlier,
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: which is fair enough.
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  Speaker 3: The cast and need to be fast. What do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Can you do anything within the rule beyond that? Or
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: is this really now sitting and waiting for the five
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: years when these rules expire, maybe less maybe four years,
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  Speaker 1: who knows, and then just introducing something new because that
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  Speaker 1: was really interesting that to go back to the interview
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  Speaker 1: Stephano Demnicali did and Nicholas Tembassis, the FIA technical director,
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  Speaker 1: has also said this during this week that there's I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know if it's an admission or a throwing under
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  Speaker 3: the bus.
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  Speaker 1: I'll leave that up to you, but that these rules
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: were too much dictated by manufacturers at the time of
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: their writing in the early twenty twenties, were convinced that
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: electrification of cars is going to accelerate. They weren't going
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: to make any more combustion engines. This was the way
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: that hasn't happened and isn't happening at least at the
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: same rate. Do we actually step back to what Muhammad
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: ben Suliam, the FIA president, was talking about. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was early last year, wasn't it. Do we just
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: go back to vtens with sustainable fuel, with maybe a
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: turbo but probably a pretty nominal hybrid element, kind of
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  Speaker 1: like curs in two thousands? Is that what happens and
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  Speaker 1: how quickly can it be achieved?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Throwing under the bus? I think the front wheels of
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: the bus have run over Audi and the rear wheels
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: buzz and run over Honda Wore. I think that's who
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: we're referring to here, aren't we. But this is it's
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: interesting that you go back. Let's go back even further
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  Speaker 2: to the first pre preseason test at Barcelona where memorably
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: every single person that wasn't involved in the test was
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  Speaker 2: shut out of the test. And there's people, you know,
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: driving cars uphills and clothing up trees and doing all
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: sorts of try to have a look at these cars,
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  Speaker 2: and that in itself when it happened, we didn't really
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  Speaker 2: know what we were going to see in these first
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: few races, But that to me demonstrated a real insecurity
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  Speaker 2: within the sport as to, oh, have we actually gone
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: down the right path here? And if we fail and
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: this is really bad, let's not have anyone actually see
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: it and report on it. And just from a PR
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: marketing message selling point of view, that was really quite
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: instructive to me. It's like there's a really insecurity that
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: they might have gone down the wrong road here, but
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: we're so far down the wrong road that we can't
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: really turn this thing around. And what you mentioned before
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: about being stuck with this variation of the rules for
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: the next five years, you can know, you know, what's
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: the saying you can only put so much lipstick on
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: a pig. I mean, there's so many band aids going
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: on with this right now that I find it very
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  Speaker 2: hard to believe that the sport will necessarily tolerate this
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: or slightly better versions of this for such a long period.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Formula one's been basking in this sort of
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: glow of great championships but a little bit contrived in
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, sorry to bring it up and the
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: whole post pandemic Netflix effect, all of this. Formula One's
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: been on this fantastic way for quite a while. It
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: hasn't had to deal with a heap of negative publicity
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: for a while, has it, When you think about it,
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: and it'll be really interesting to see how the narrative
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: or the people within the sport are going to react
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  Speaker 2: if the not just this weekend, but if the changes
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  Speaker 2: don't bring about a quite stark change to the way
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: we go racing and the way that racing is sold.
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  Speaker 2: And you said this in your open here that you
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: know a large part of this is which drivers will
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: fall into line whitch drivers will just not say very much.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: And then what happened when you wave an open mic
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: under Max for Staffan's knows because whether you like Max
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: for Stappen or not, the one thing I do appreciate
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: from him as a sports person and also as a
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: media person is there is an unrelenting authenticity to the
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: way he goes about his business and he does not
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: care whether you like what he has to say or not.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: He's just going to be straight down the line with
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: absolutely everything. I don't necessarily think that there's as many
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: agendas going with him as there. I mean, obviously Red
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Bull aren't the benchmark right now, so there's more to
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: gain by things being changed because it might introduce an
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: element that makes Red Bull more competitive. But he's just
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: so authentic and so black and white with what he
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: wants and what he thinks. Formula one should be that
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: when you've got your the best driver in your sport
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  Speaker 2: one four championships in the past five years, so openly
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: critical of what's going on, there's a pr war that
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: you're losing. And it's really interesting to see how this
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: goes this weekend. Anytime he speaks right now is just
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: you know, mustless and must see because he's not going
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: to sugarcoat it. And I actually think that's good for
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: the authenticity of the sport and how it relates back
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: to the fans.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I mean that's going to be
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: one of the benchmarks, isn't it of these rule changes
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: his Max for Staff and specifically, I know some other
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: drivers have spoken out about the rule, some positively weirdly enough,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: not about the engine formula per se, but that they
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: don't mind the racing. Ferrari drivers have said that they've
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: done a lot of racing purely between themselves really but nonetheless,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Lando Norris has attempted to follow Max with Staff and
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: down that road but somehow, and I'll leave it up
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: to your imaginations as to why his words don't really
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: carry the same weight it's abitely being the reigning world champion.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an interesting interview that everyone should go and
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: find that Lando did with I think it's Donald McCrae
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: from The Guardian, where he was specific yes, where he
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: was specifically told not to answer questions about particular subjects
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: even though he wanted to. It's an interesting little insight
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: into how modern day Formula one PR works. If you've
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: got some time, so go and find that, because it
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: was I read it nodding my head because I've been
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: there and I'm sure you have as well. Where there's
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: certain things like you are a grown adult and a
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: world champion and a human being, but you must not
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: answer this question. So yeah, that was kind of interesting.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Sorry I digress.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's a worthy digression, but it's worth reflecting that.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: In that BBC interview Max with staff and did after Japan,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: where he said thinking of quitting, just don't like this
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: at all, not having fun, etc. He did point out
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: that he recognized there wasn't much that could be done
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: about these rules this year, and it would be about
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: what agreements were made for next season. So he may
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: come out and continue to be negative. I think what
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: will be more important is not what he says about
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: these specific changes. I'm sure he'll say something like they're
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: moving the right direction, butt of enough, whatever, but rather
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: what he's the sort of general attitude towards the fact
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: things have changed, and then what he thinks might be
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: possible to change next year, because already some of those
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: ideas have been floated, that idea, like I said, of
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: increasing the fuel flow, trying to change the ratio of
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: combustion to electoral energy. If he seems optimistic about that,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: that's I think more telling than his reflection on these
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: actual rule changes, because this is only the start of
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: tweaking and refining these regulations to be something more palatable
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the sport hope, something entirely seligible that remains to be
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: seen probably until the next year. But the story of
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: whether or not Bestappens are going to stay or go
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: is not concluded yet. I don't think, at least if
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: it's based purely on where the regulations are going, that's
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: something that will come up later. And in any case,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you can't trigger that contract clause. I can walk away
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: obviously before he once, but until later in the year.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: So this story still has a little bit to go
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: on it. Let's move on now, though, Matt to Move
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: of the Week, brought to you by Shannon's not ont
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: of action in the last three or four weeks. There was,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: of course some supercars and Moto GP sporadically here and there,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: but it's been relatively quiet April. But what are you
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: taking us to for Move of the Week?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Well, regular listens to the listeners to this podcast know
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: that I tend to go pretty left field and often
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: aim for the comedic, and I can put it at
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: quotes about that as well, because you and I laugh,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: maybe no one else does.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: But for Move of this the Week, this week, I'm
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: going for a move. That's a little bit unusual. I
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: am going to talk about a race.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, that is unusual for you, It is unusual
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going to the London Marathon last weekend.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Oh very good.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: The reason that I'm going there is when you go
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: through the When you go through the finishes list of
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: the London Marathon, there are a few interesting names that
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: popped up. A young chap by the name of Sebastian Vassel.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: He ran the London Marathon in under three hours, which
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: is fantastic for a guy and never run a marathon before.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: He was running the marathon with your friend of mine
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: media person Tom Clarkson, and the two of them were
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: running it for various charities. Tom very much in my
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: age category and not yours, Michael. But Tom managed to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: crest a tape in a tick under four hours. So
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: awesome John. For Tom, Tom's a super fit guy out
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Him and Sev have gone up like Mount Fuji and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: done some crazy stuff right over the year. So awesome
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: that those two have got together to raise some money
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: for charity. Other people on the finishing list in three
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: hours and forty five minutes in the eighteen to thirty
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: nine age category. Daniel Ricardo's former manager, Blake Friend, Let's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: give him a shout out because he wasn't the sort
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: of person I thought was going to run a marathon,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: not his first one either, so good for Blake. But
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: this is what I wanted to get to, right. This
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: is a feel good story. The name Sylvan Gintoli, former
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Martorgier World Superbike champion. He's now pundit for T and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: T Sports. Sylvan's forty three years old. He lost his
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: six year old son Luca to cancer last year. Absolutely
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: horrendous story. Sylvan, being the guy that he is, he
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: decided to race the London Marathon for charity for a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: cancer charity called Passic. He finished in three hours and
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: forty seven minutes. He ran the full London Marathon. In
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: his racing letters, Oh Tom, basically raise awareness and money
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: for charity. Last count I think they'd raised over one
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand pounds across the course of the weekend.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And this is a guy who's obviously been an elite
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: level sports person, who's just had the most unjust indescribable
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: past twelve months. To lose your six year old son
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: to cancer, ran the full forty two k's in racing
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: letters and raised that amount of money, so as Moves
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: of the week go to try and shine a light
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: on something that's so important in a period of massive
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: personal grief. Also, he is a genuinely, very very good
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: human being, and for wasn't surprised that he was going
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to undertake something as crazy as running forty two k's
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: in a set of racing leathers, but more power to
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: him for doing it. And that is a very unusual
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: entry by me into Move of the week.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, the move of the week really should be when
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: he've got to take those racing leathers off.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I suspect, Oh boy, yeah, incredibly, just the thought of
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: you know, you see these guys doing a Grand Prix
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and racing leathers for forty minutes and then they're immediately
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: trying to get out of them three and three quarter
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: hours running in them.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: No thanks, Yes, and the weather looked unusual for the UK.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Decent kid was.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Warm, Yeah, it was pretty warm. He did say afterwards
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that he's never felt that level of dehydration in his life,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and I don't blame him.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: That was just well man, tremendous tremendous pick. I can't
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: live up to that one. But I do want to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: take us to a different story for Mover of the week,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and that is Turkey back onto the formula. This is great,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I think this is to me. It is a much
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: more interesting story than it seems on the surface. It's
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a five year deal starting from next season. It'll be
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: joining Portugal as a returning circuit Algar, I should say,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: rather than Assurial as a returning circuit next year. That's
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: not a much shorter contract though. I think it's interesting
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. One is it's the perfect
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: answer whenever anyone accuses of liberty media of only favoriting
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: car park circuits.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: He's a phrase.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: This is going back to a proper racing circuit in
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a somewhat obscure part couple of hours out of istan Bull.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I think it is. Nonetheless, it's call it an Instuna
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Bull circuit that's not obscure, but a track that drivers
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: genuinely enjoy. One of Herman Tilka's better circuits, one of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the tracks at which he seemed to have relatively few
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: stipulations and was able to build a circuit that the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: drivers liked, has given us some important title races to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: was Hamilton one's record equally seventh there in twenty twenty
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and in twenty two one they also raced there, so
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: it played a role in the delivery of that championship.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: However you want to put it. But one of the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: driver's really likes so proper racing circuit. But I think
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it's also interesting also because it's not a car park
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: circuit or any other kind of circuit like that. Because
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: foreman On talks a lot about how the phone won't
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: stop bringing from prospective countries that like to host a race,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and I think that is true. There are a lot
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: of venues hoping to get onto the calendar, but to me,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the inclusion of Portugal, which was announced the end of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: last year and our Turkey, really tells us that none
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of them are anywhere near as ready as perhaps we've
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: been led to suggest. Thailand was ear marked for twenty seven.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: If memory serves twenty seven or twenty eight, there's now
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: no room on the calendar for Thailand to join in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: twenty seven or twenty eight. Likewise, an African Grand Prix,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: which has gone relatively quiet compared to last year, it
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: feel like things are really at fever pitch.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I think someone in South Africa sort of half announced
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that they had a Grand Prix. That's clearly not accurate.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: There are two bids in South Africa last I checked
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: one in Rwanda, but they all have gone relatively quiet. Likewise,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: there's been talk of perhaps a street race and soul
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that's been much more. It's been less developed as a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: bit anyway, but that's clearly not on the cards. Even
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: some organizers in India have been talking about bringing the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: race back to the Bood Circuit clearly well in the future,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: even though it's already built. It just tells us that
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: all of these new ventures are not really ready to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: join the Formula one calendar, and the stability Formula one
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: seeking is now in tracks that they know work that
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: are willing to pay up front obviously, or pay for
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a five year deal. And I think that tells us
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm not sure exactly what it does.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I think we need to know in the next couple
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of years to see how they pan out as to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: what exactly this is telling us, but tells us a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: little bit about where Formula one is in terms of
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: its expansion plans and filling that twenty four race calendar,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and also about what was foreshadowed a year or two
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: ago by Stefano Demnicali, the prospect of more European races rotating.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: We do have Spain a big about well, yes, Barcelona
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and Belgium rotating, but no more in the foreseeable future.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It seems yeah interesting. It feels that those two Turkey
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and Portugal, they were always there on the back burner
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: if they needed to be deployed, and we saw that
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: through COVID, because that's how they got back on the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: calender in the first place, after they've been off for
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a little while. And I mean, look from a racing
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: purity point of view, they're too, absolutely fanastic circuits. So
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: when you have fast corners and undulation and they're two
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: awesome circuits, Let's hope we're not talking about super clipping
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: through Turn eight at turt Stempool Park, but they're two
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: great tracks. I think the interesting part about the Turkey one,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: just switching to two wheels for a second, is that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I think the next domino to fall is that Motor
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: GP will be going there probably the year after because
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: they now have top Rak rescut leor Glue and him alone,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I reckon that will Motor GP will probably attract more fans,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and Formula one does in Turkey because he is literally
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a national hero. So that's interesting for two wheels. But
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: there's two fantastic race tracks. But yeah, the readiness of
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: some of these other other places that are reportedly lining
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: up wanting to have a seat at the table perhaps, yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: or the lack of readiness as you were suggesting, Perhaps
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that's why we're going back to going back to Turkey,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: going back to Portugal. As a racing purist, I love
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: both tracks, so super happy to see them both on
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the calendar again because they are true tests. I just
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: hope that the cars are a little bit more up
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to it than they currently are.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, so we've got a whole year to figure out
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the car problem, I guess, so hopefully by next season,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: as you say, there'll be not so much talk of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: super clipping. Let's move on now to one of the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: car parks that are on the calendar in a positive way.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: If you like the Miami Grand Prix is this weekend,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: we do forget a little bit. I mean they're trying
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to move it towards being almost like a pseudo permanent
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: circuit in that car park, but nonetheless it still is
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: set up in the car park. The Miami Grand Prix
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the assumption to Formula one. It has been a long time,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: so let's catch you up a little bit with in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Formula one is exactly we arrive in Miami with Andrea Kimi.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Antonelli is the youngest championship leader in Formula one history,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: after he won the Japanese Grand Prix about a million
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: years ago. He's nine points ahead of teammate George Russell,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and then the Ferrari teammates, and then the McLaren teammates
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: are following down to sixth. One interesting thing to keep
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: in your mind this weekend is that Oliver Beerman then
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: follows as head of the midfield with Pierre Gasley. Both
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: are ahead of Max Verstaffan who's in ninth, which is
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: does nicely the constructors standings in the picture there were. Mercedes,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of course pretty comfortably leads with forty five points in
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: handover Ferrari, which in turn is forty four points ahead
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: of McLaren. Hears is fourth in the constructor's championship, so
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: quite a happy homecoming for their American first American Grand
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Prix this weekend ahead of Red Bull Racing on eighteen
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and sixteen points, respectively. It is a remarkable state of affairs.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Of course, the rule changes do mean this is I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: don't want to necessarily call it a reset because the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: changes haven't been so dramatic, but it is along with
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the break and with the expected upgrades this weekend, perhaps
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a small changing of the order in store this weekend.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I want to go to McLaren in particular mat because
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: they've been said that they're bringing effectively in all new cars,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: such as the significance of their upgrades. All the teams
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: will bring a lot of upgrades, but McLaren does have form,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: don't they in bringing pretty meaningful upgrades to Miami that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: changed the game for them.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Well, we've seen that in the past two years, haven't
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: we When you do your as McLaren's pre race press
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: release where they went into the history of the Miami
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Grand Prix went all the way back to the date
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of your of twenty twenty four. But anyway, yeah, I'm
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: really in there's three things that intrigue me this weekend.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: McLaren's on the list of three. I'll get to the
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: other two in a sect, because it feels to me
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: like of all of the teams there, they've been the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: team furthest away from extracting or maximizing their potential so far,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: it feels there's a lot more to give. Ferrari has
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: been good, clearly second best no one such a Mercedes.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Right now, I think Ferrari could be pretty satisfied with
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: what they've done. There'll be other teams that have exceeded
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: expectations like Hass. There'll be other teams that have probably
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: gone to expectations like Williams. Do I mention them, But
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to my mind, McLaren seems like the team with the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: greatest amount of upside. So how transformative this, you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: effectively brand new chassis is. We know they're good around there,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: oscopiastri fans very early on a Monday morning this time
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: last year. We're pretty happy with the way things went,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: so I'm curious to see how that goes. There's two
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: little asterisks for me with McLaren and pretty much everybody else.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: One it's a sprint weekend. So to come immediately back
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to a sprint weekend after a month off where you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: know a lot of flux. That's another curve ball that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: could be good, add some random elements to it. The
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: other factor with this is that we're extending the practice
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: sessions as well. It's a chance to bring these new
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: cars in and like do these things work and what
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: are the unintended quantity consequences of making certain rule changes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: So there is a bit going on this weekend. And
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I should have mentioned the other thing. And I'll let
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you talk about this if you get your weather app
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: out and have a look at the forecast for Miami
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: this weekend. A football stadium, car park in the wet
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: with barriers everywhere.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Or boy, yes, so the last forecast I checked, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you know we're still a few days out from the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: race of forecast subject to change. WHI it's for thunderstorms
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: at race time on Sunday, man So that could be
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: really quite interesting. First time these cars will have raced
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in the West. They have made some preemptive wet weather
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: changes about power output and tie blanket temperatures and warning
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: lights and stuff like that will get them all fully tested.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Perhaps this weekend. Yes, so timely that some of those
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: changes were made, perhaps, but that would certainly spice things
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: up We've been waiting to see when these cars will
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: be run for the first time in the wet and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: how they now it goes, so that could really shake
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: things up for the big points paying race this weekend.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I also want to think of a little bit about
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing here, because this is a team that's
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in focus pretty much all of the wrong reasons. Why
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: as their star drivers thinking about quitting because he hates
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: his job.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: So much at the moment.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But the other is that the car is really no good.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It looks like a maybe top of midfield car at best.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: On the base of the last two rounds Australia, where
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Isaac Hadjo qualified so well and where the car looked
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: relatively competitive with Max with staff and pretty much started
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the back and finished right on the tail of Lando Norris,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: feels like a real outline now, one that even the
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  Speaker 1: team can't really explain. They were spotted with a filming
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: day during the break testing a rear wing that rolls
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: over like the Ferrari rear wing that they keep teasing
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: but never actually using in the race.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they will this weekend, Who knows, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Tim boss Laura Mecki has described the Milton Keynes factory
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: as being on fire during the break. He said that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: was a good thing though, because they're all working very
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: hard to reverse this form slide. But this, for me
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  Speaker 1: is really one of the emerging stories of this year,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the Maxi stapp and element. To one side, of course,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that's obvious, that's a big story. But where does Red
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Bull Racing actually sit? And you know, having as we
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: talked about the previous podcast and said to lose Jumpiro
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Lambiaze the Maxims Stappans race engineer but also head of racing,
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  Speaker 1: I think is his title lost a lot of staff.
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  Speaker 1: How much is this down the road of to use
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  Speaker 1: a football phrase, I guess a full rebuild for Red
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  Speaker 1: Bull Racing. What is the status of this team?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Well? And the other interesting element here is we thought
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year, if Rebell got out
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of the gate a little slow, we'd be able to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: point to the fact that, well, they've got a brand
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: new in house engine project, they've never done their own
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: engine before, TV problems, you know, perhaps they've got over
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: their skis a little bit, et cetera. I don't even
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: necessarily think from what you've read, and here I'm not
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: sure the engine is the primary differentiator right now. The
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: engine probably is a bit better than perhaps they and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: we were expecting. I'm not sure that the Chassi is
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: particularly good, and even with all the associated problems and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the knock on effects of how these cars need to
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: be driven, it's just like you said, the word outlie,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that's actually a really good word for Australia, because when
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: we saw what Max in Australia, we were like, okay,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: this is what Max does. The car is clearly okay,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be a great card, and we
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: didn't see it as being a Mercedes challenger. They've been
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: kind of anonymous since then. And yeah, the fact that
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: they're behind Haas in the Constructors Championship is not a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: sentence that I thought i'd be saying three rounds into
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a Formula One season. So yeah, super interesting. They're little
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: concern the factory's on fire. That's probably do a great way.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Not a great start to race week, but yeah, they
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: as much as I feel that we haven't seen the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: real McClaren yet, and this weekend will give us a
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: bit of an example to that. Like Red Bull's clearly
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: got headroom to grow here. They have a million and
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: one reasons to not quite be on the on the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: pace right now. But when you've got a very dissatisfied
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: lead driver, things need to change quickly. And I'm not
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: saying this is quite Christian Horner. Sebastian Vattal second Fettal
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: reference of this podcast sort of elements of desperation to
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: try and keep Sep happy and on side. There's a
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: lot of trying to assuage Max right now because Max
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: is pretty restless and pretty annoyed by a lot of
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: things that feel there's a lot of like, it's going
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to be fine, Max, It's going to be fine Max
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: going on. If it's not fine for MaxEnt how jad
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to a lesser degree this weekend, then yeah, that could
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: be an interesting long break between Miami and Canada, couldn't it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, there's a lot on the table, a lot
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: at stake for Red Bull Racing. And finally, I want
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to talk about the two American teams. American owned teams.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sure exactly how to refer to them, because they
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: have some bases in the US, but race team based
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: in the UK, and that's Hess and Cadillac. We've touched
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: on hass already a little bit fourth in the Constructors Championship,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: ahead of Red Bull Racing Oliver Beaman, the best placed
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: midfield driver in the Driver's Championship as well. Of course,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: it is very early days, three rounds into the season,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: but has says it's going to bring forward all its upgrades,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: is going to front load them in the hope that
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it can capitalize on fumbles from other teams that they
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: assume will eventually catch up at the end of the year,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: but hopefully have a decent points buffer that might hold
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: them into a lofty place in the constructors standings. I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone's talking about beating Red Bull Racing there,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but then again, who knows under these new rules. And Cadillac,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, we talked to to Cutlea like
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Boss Graham laud In a couple of weeks ago. You
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: can still listen to that podcast in your feed, and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: we're riding it up on the website during this week. While,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of course they arrive with no points and no one
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: expected them to arrive with any points at this point
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: of the year, they arrive not last in the Constructors
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Championship and actually looking pretty competent as a not as
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: a new entry begging for patients because things aren't working,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but rather as an entry that looks like it absolutely
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: belongs to be there and is waving the flag of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: obviously quite a renowned American brand.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: They have just looked like a perfectly credible Formula One team.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Forget the fact that they're new. They've just looked like
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: a perfectly credible Formula One team for the first part
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: of the season. There's plenty of other more well established
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: teams with pedigree and we will stick us on the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: car and that sort of thing that we couldn't say
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: that about at the moment. So in terms of what
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: the gap between what they've done and perhaps what I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: expected them in the first three races of the year,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: no slight on anything that Grahame lud and his team
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: has done, but I wasn't expecting this level of just
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: competence and professionalism and not looking like they were fish
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: out of water. Now, obviously, you know it's going to
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: be a hard road to score points, we know that,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: but the fact that they don't look like an outlier
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: for the wrong reasons after three rounds is victory enough.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Because it's so difficult to come in at any stage,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: particularly in a brand new rule set like this, so
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: cutos to them. They have got a special Livery for
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Miami this weekend, which is about as boring as their
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: regular Livery. So I'm not sure that that's going to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: stand out. I'm not sure how well it's going to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: go under perhaps cloudy rainy skies. You might lose the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: car a little bit, but Livery not so good everything else.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I like what I'm seeing so far as I had
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to squint at the new Livery to figure out what
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: had been changed about it, because it continues to just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: be monochrome.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: But not enough, not enough.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: If you read some of the marketing they're trying to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: sell you, or what the Livery represents us one of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: those ones you're thinking, Man, someone's getting paid very very
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: well to come up with a bunch of content to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: describe how this is so different than seismic and everything else.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: But Livery no good everything else.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Big tip, Yes, Livery only Olvery always looks good. When
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the car is doing well, I think is the rule
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it does. So Pica does well. Maybe it'll become an
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: instant classic. There's a lot to keep your eye on it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: This weekend's resumption with Miami Grant freeflenty of stories.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I don't even want to say flash out. Some of
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: them only really just started second a chapter in some
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: We'll finally get the Formula one season fall rolling from
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: this weekend and over the course of this month and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: until December. Really that's how long diseason goes for. But
• 35:22
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