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HW 2026-09-03 Nutritional tips for the Holidays - Charlene McCullough · Heartwise

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  Speaker 1: This is HeartWise, offering practical tips and time-proven guidelines to
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  Speaker 1: make your life healthier, happier, and more fulfilling. Today you'll
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  Speaker 1: learn simple Bible-based principles for building and maintaining optimum mental
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  Speaker 1: and physical health, all while deepening your relationship with your Creator.
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  Speaker 1: Here's your HeartWise host, Dr. James Markham.
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  Speaker 2: We would like to welcome everyone today to HeartWise. We
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  Speaker 2: have a very special guest, Dr. Charlene McCulloch, and she
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  Speaker 2: is our expert nutritionist at HeartWise Ministries. And she's been
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  Speaker 2: on the radio and television many times. And if you
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  Speaker 2: might have a question for her, we want to invite
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  Speaker 2: you to go to our website. That's heartwiseministries.org. Or you
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  Speaker 2: can now join us on Facebook and be a Facebook friend. Dr. Charlene,
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  Speaker 2: we just want to welcome you to HeartWise today.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. It's such a delight to be back with you, Dr. Barkham.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? We just passed Thanksgiving time of
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  Speaker 2: the year, and we're getting ready for Christmas. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you're like me, but I always have
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  Speaker 2: a tendency not to eat too well this time of year.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to talk and give hopefully some practical
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  Speaker 2: suggestions to our listeners, ways they might do better. And
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  Speaker 2: one thing that we want to always let our listeners
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  Speaker 2: know that, you know, We can't do this all on
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  Speaker 2: our own. We need the help of a loving Savior.
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  Speaker 2: So no matter what we talk about, ask God to
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  Speaker 2: help you make a little bit better eating processes and
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  Speaker 2: eating better. I mean, this is a tough time of year,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it, Charlene, to eat well?
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  Speaker 3: It sure is. You know, I was speaking to someone
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  Speaker 3: just recently about doing this very program, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: what are you speaking on? And I said, well, eating
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  Speaker 3: healthy for the holidays. He said, wow, isn't that an oxymoron?
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  Speaker 3: Healthy eating and holidays don't belong together. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: really true. When you think about the holiday season, there
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of dynamics going on. It's the most
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  Speaker 3: joyous time, the most stressful time. It's a long season.
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  Speaker 3: For me, it began December the 4th, Tuesday, this week,
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  Speaker 3: because we started our first parties, you know, and we
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  Speaker 3: have church parties and club parties and friends for parties
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of family gatherings and parties. And everything
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  Speaker 3: we do in the holidays, besides all the other aspects,
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  Speaker 3: everything we do in the holidays... also revolves around food.
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  Speaker 3: It reminds me of that great saying that we use,
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  Speaker 3: it is the best of times, it is the worst
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  Speaker 3: of times. That's right. But when you look at what
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  Speaker 3: we're doing over the holiday eating, we are actually increasing
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  Speaker 3: tremendously the amount of sugar that we eat because of
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  Speaker 3: so many sweets. We are increasing the fat intake. For example,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we eat beans during the year, but on
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  Speaker 3: Christmas or holidays, you have to have bean casseroles. So
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  Speaker 3: that's extra cheese, either extra cream of some kind, sour
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  Speaker 3: cream or extra butter or whatever. A lot of desserts,
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  Speaker 3: so that's extra flour. And mostly people use the white
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  Speaker 3: bleached flour to cook with. And there are some things,
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  Speaker 3: if we just took these four categories together, And then
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  Speaker 3: extra salt, too. That's always major because it seems like
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot more salt in food around holiday eating.
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  Speaker 3: But if we just took a couple of these and
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  Speaker 3: take a look what we could do, sugar is the biggie.
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  Speaker 3: It is really the biggest one. And I will guarantee
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  Speaker 3: our listeners that you could cut down the amount of
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  Speaker 3: sugar that you put in your recipes. and you wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: notice it, and your family and guests would not notice
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  Speaker 3: it at all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how would that look like? Yeah, tell us.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, good, good. Yes, let me give you an example
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  Speaker 3: of what I do. I always make my famous cranberry
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  Speaker 3: relish for Christmas. Well, I use raw cranberries, about a
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  Speaker 3: pound of raw cranberries. I use raw apples, raw orange sections,
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  Speaker 3: some raw crushed pineapple that I crush myself. Now, that's
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  Speaker 3: a recipe that I have, but the recipe calls for
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  Speaker 3: Granny Smith apples, and it calls for three cups of sugar.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a big recipe. But, I mean, look at
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  Speaker 3: three cups of sugar with just a pound of cranberries
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  Speaker 3: and then the apples and oranges and pineapple that you
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  Speaker 3: put in. Now, instead of Granny Smith apples, I use sweet,
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  Speaker 3: delicious apples because they're sweeter.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And cranberries are tart. Granny Smith apples are tart. So
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  Speaker 3: you're going to have your cranberries. You want it a
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  Speaker 3: little tart. Right. If you just change the number of
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  Speaker 3: apples that you use in the Granny Smith and just
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  Speaker 3: put the Red Delicious there, you can cut down on
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  Speaker 3: about a cup of sugar. In fact, for that recipe,
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  Speaker 3: I just used a little over one and a half
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  Speaker 3: cups of sugar, which is one half the amount that
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  Speaker 3: the recipe that I used calls for. So really, you
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  Speaker 3: can cut down on sugar. Now, another thing you can
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  Speaker 3: do in the sugar area, that's the major, major one,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why I'm dealing with it so intensely here,
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  Speaker 3: here is there are a lot of natural sugar substitutes
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  Speaker 3: that you can use. The one I use is called
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  Speaker 3: Slim Tevia, S-L-I-M-T-E-V-I-A. It's a form of stevia. Now, stevia
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  Speaker 3: is from a plant. It's not an unnatural sugar substitute
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  Speaker 3: that generally people use that are so damaging to your
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  Speaker 3: body because of the chemicals and the processing and all.
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  Speaker 3: But stevia comes from a plant. It has a very
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  Speaker 3: low glycemic index and And the beautiful thing about this
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  Speaker 3: type of Slim Tevia or many of the forms, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have a bad aftertaste like some do. But you
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  Speaker 3: can cook with this too. And it's just the portion
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  Speaker 3: is one-to-one. And you can start cutting down on the
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  Speaker 3: amount of sugar and the problem it causes in your
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  Speaker 3: holiday cooking and fixing if you just do some of
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  Speaker 3: that sugar substituting instead of staying with the recipes that
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  Speaker 3: are so high in fat and sugar and and flour
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  Speaker 3: and salt and all the other things that we generally
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  Speaker 3: think about around the Christmas time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I have a question for you. Could you use
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  Speaker 2: Slim Tevia to make, like, say, chocolate chip cookies or
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  Speaker 2: fudge or something like that, too?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, you certainly can. It's a one-to-one ratio. Now, see,
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  Speaker 3: I used to use a lot of frozen apple juice
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  Speaker 3: instead of sugar in recipes, and that's great. But you
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  Speaker 3: have to sort of manage the amounts that it's not
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  Speaker 3: a one-to-one. It might be more like a half a
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  Speaker 3: cup of sugar to three-fourths of a cup of the
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  Speaker 3: frozen apple juice. So you have to be more careful
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  Speaker 3: about it. And then, of course, everything is just go
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  Speaker 3: ahead and make it according to your taste. But just
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  Speaker 3: to do some of these substitutes, but it's great to
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  Speaker 3: have a sugar substitute from a natural plant that you
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  Speaker 3: can use in baking and cooking just like you would
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  Speaker 3: the regular sugar, which table sugar, white sugar, it does work.
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  Speaker 3: It has a high glycemic index. It raises your blood
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  Speaker 3: sugar and all of that. And these natural plant substitutes
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  Speaker 3: do not raise your blood sugar, and they have a
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  Speaker 3: very low glycemic index.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's such a great idea. My wife
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  Speaker 2: is actually having to make a fruit punch for a
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  Speaker 2: party that we're going to, and I'm going to tell
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  Speaker 2: her instead of putting sugar in it, Sonia, why don't
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  Speaker 2: you put a lot of fruit that has sugar in it,
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  Speaker 2: like peaches and apples, like you said, that are sweet,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe you won't need to use as much of
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  Speaker 2: the other sugar.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right, and it's a double whammy because those
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  Speaker 3: fruits that you're using have a lot of nutrition involved
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  Speaker 3: in the fruit itself in addition to just the sweetness. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, about flour, usually the average American wife who
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  Speaker 3: cooks will use just bleached flour for everything. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the thing about it is, I don't know if any
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  Speaker 3: of you are familiar with a new book that's come
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  Speaker 3: out called Wheat Belly, But the wheat belly syndrome is
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  Speaker 3: that in America all through the year we're eating way
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  Speaker 3: too much bread, way too much pasta, and most of
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  Speaker 3: these things are made from wheat. And wheat has a
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  Speaker 3: propensity to really put fat around your belly. It's a process.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have time to go through that, but just
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  Speaker 3: to say, yes, this is true. So if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to be using your flours to bake more sweets and goodies, cakes, pies, whatever, Well,
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  Speaker 3: just one thing you can do is use unbleached flour
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  Speaker 3: instead of bleached. Now, actually, the only reason we put
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  Speaker 3: bleach in flour is to make it really white like
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  Speaker 3: some of the And commercials used to say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the flower is so white, the bag would just lift
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  Speaker 3: up off the table and fly away, you know, just
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  Speaker 3: to point out how light this bleached flower is. But
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  Speaker 3: bleach is bleach. We bleach our clothes to make them white.
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  Speaker 3: They bleach flour to make it white. So just one thing,
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  Speaker 3: you go down the aisle where the flower is and
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  Speaker 3: you look for unbleached flour, you are eliminating one major
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  Speaker 3: chemical there. that causes damage to your body, and that's bleach.
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  Speaker 3: And then, of course, we have the stress of Christmas,
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  Speaker 3: and you really want to know about using so much
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  Speaker 3: wheat in our Christmas baking, like in the pastas and breads.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll think about this. Stress at Christmas and all
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  Speaker 3: times through the year, but greater at Christmas, causes the
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  Speaker 3: creation or the promotion of cortisol, which is a hormone,
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  Speaker 3: that actually deposits fat around your waist. And then wheat
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  Speaker 3: has a propensity also to cause fat around your waist.
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  Speaker 3: So just look at oat flour. It will have a
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  Speaker 3: tiny little bit different taste, but in the scheme of
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  Speaker 3: everything else in your baking, it won't make any difference
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  Speaker 3: at all. Oat flour, unbleached flour, those would be two
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  Speaker 3: of my major suggestions to use for your holiday baking.
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  Speaker 3: So Cut down on the sugar, substitute with plant sugar.
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  Speaker 3: Stevia is one of my favorite ones. What you just
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  Speaker 3: said for Sonia to do, it's amazing. The punch, put
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  Speaker 3: the fruit in there instead of just a bunch of sugar.
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  Speaker 3: They'll love it. You know, they'll love it. And so
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  Speaker 3: that's one of the major things I wanted to share
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  Speaker 3: today with us.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're about ready to go on break,
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  Speaker 2: but those are some three excellent suggestions. You know, slim tevia,
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  Speaker 2: unbleached flour, sweet fruits, and you don't miss much in
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  Speaker 2: the taste of this. It's just getting used to the habits. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking today with Dr. Charlene McCullough. She's got lots
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  Speaker 2: of practical experience. If you have a question, go to
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  Speaker 2: our website. That's heartwiseministries.org or befriend us on Facebook. Send
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  Speaker 2: our questions. Nutritionist, Dr. Charlene McCullough will be happy to
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  Speaker 2: answer your questions. We're going to be right back after
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  Speaker 2: this short break, and we're going to continue talking about
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  Speaker 2: ways during the holiday seasons, practical ways you can be
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  Speaker 2: healthier and eat better. Stay with us.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to HeartWise. I'm Dr. James Markin. I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: you're staying with us today. We're talking with Dr. Charlene McCullough,
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  Speaker 2: an expert nutritionist who has a very practical approach to nutrition,
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  Speaker 2: getting us all healthy. You know, Rome wasn't built in
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  Speaker 2: a day. It's little steps. And some of these steps
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  Speaker 2: that she has taught me hasn't changed the way the
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  Speaker 2: food tastes. The food still tastes great. And one thing
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  Speaker 2: I've known, Dr. McCullough, is actually I'm starting to taste
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  Speaker 2: my food a lot better now that I got some
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  Speaker 2: of this other stuff out of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it makes such a difference. I know I watch
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  Speaker 3: people eat in a restaurant, and even if they did
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  Speaker 3: buy just a really expensive meal, say the most expensive
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  Speaker 3: meat you could possibly buy during that season at that time,
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  Speaker 3: then I watch them just put a lot of sauces,
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  Speaker 3: A1 sauce or whatever. a lot of ketchup even, and
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  Speaker 3: I say, you know, you shouldn't have spent your money
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  Speaker 3: on that because all you're going to taste is the
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  Speaker 3: ketchup or the sauce or the butter that you put
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  Speaker 3: on vegetables or some other seasonings that you put on
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  Speaker 3: that might be too high in fat, too high in sugar,
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  Speaker 3: not really good for you. In fact, oh, Dr. Markham,
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  Speaker 3: I have seen people put sugar on every single vegetable,
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  Speaker 3: even when they're eating it or as they're cooking it.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, what is the point?
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  Speaker 2: And salt, too.
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  Speaker 3: You really need to know. You need to know what
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  Speaker 3: carrots really taste like, what squash really tastes like, what
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  Speaker 3: the bean really tastes like. God gave us these foods
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  Speaker 3: in beautiful, wonderful colors, and they all have beautiful, wonderful,
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  Speaker 3: different tastes. But if we just douse everything with all
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  Speaker 3: the salt and butter and sugar that we can find...
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  Speaker 3: Everything tastes like salt, butter, and sugar, and you never
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  Speaker 3: know the beauty of the taste of the real food.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one of my bandwagons that I always extend on.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's such a good point to let our
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  Speaker 2: listeners know. Now, we talked about some things last segment
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  Speaker 2: about sugar substitutes, unbleached flour, eating sweet fruits. What are
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  Speaker 2: some other things the holiday season we can focus on
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  Speaker 2: to practically help our listeners have a healthier holiday season?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what? We almost have to shift gears
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  Speaker 3: a little bit here because we don't live in an
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  Speaker 3: ideal world. But people often ask me, they say, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to a potluck dinner and everybody brings something
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know what's in it. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 3: if you want to make sure that you have at
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  Speaker 3: least one healthy dish that you can eat a majority of,
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  Speaker 3: take your own healthy dish of food to a potluck
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  Speaker 3: dinner or to a family gathering. And that really works.
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  Speaker 3: But You don't have any control over what your Aunt
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  Speaker 3: Sue brings when she brings her favorite dessert to every
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  Speaker 3: family gathering and everybody loves it. You don't have any
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  Speaker 3: control over what Aunt Sue put in her dish that
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  Speaker 3: she brings. So the real problem at Christmas is this.
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  Speaker 3: It's the quantity. of the food that we're exposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's easy to be a glutton. You just mentioned Rome.
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  Speaker 3: Rome wasn't built in a day. The ancient Rome, do
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  Speaker 3: you know what the wealthy people in the ancient Roman
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  Speaker 3: Empire did? This may not sound too good, but it's
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  Speaker 3: absolutely the truth. They would eat and eat and eat
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  Speaker 3: until they were so stuffed they couldn't eat anymore. They
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  Speaker 3: would go out and relieve themselves of that food so
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  Speaker 3: that they could come in and eat again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's just horrible to think about, but they began
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  Speaker 3: that saying that we have, and even the Bible speaks
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  Speaker 3: of it, about gluttony, what a sin gluttony is, and
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  Speaker 3: that we tend to be gluttons, if I can even
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  Speaker 3: use that word kindly, in our Christmas holiday season that
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  Speaker 3: we just eat and stuff ourselves and we're just miserable.
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  Speaker 3: And God didn't mean for it to be that way.
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  Speaker 3: That's very damaging to our bodies, and we don't have
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  Speaker 3: to do that. So here's my major advice for healthy
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  Speaker 3: eating during the holidays. It is called... Okay. Discipline. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Romans 12 and 11 says this. This is the Revised
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  Speaker 3: Standard Version. Listen to these words now, because this really
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  Speaker 3: does apply as well to Christmas. For the moment, all
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  Speaker 3: discipline seems painful rather than pleasant. Later, it reveals the
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  Speaker 3: peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained
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  Speaker 3: by it. So that is my bandwagon for the holidays,
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  Speaker 3: that you're going to eat what's brought to family gatherings
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  Speaker 3: and all. You're going to do better at what you
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  Speaker 3: cook yourself because now you've had these suggestions. But here's
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  Speaker 3: the thing. Eat sensibly. Eat small portions. You can have
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of most everything if you eat small
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  Speaker 3: portions and you eat sensibly. And here's the way to
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  Speaker 3: do that. Eat slowly.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: Savor and enjoy every bite. instead of just stuffing yourself
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  Speaker 3: silly because you just can't wait to get all this
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  Speaker 3: food and it's so good. And then you think, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just miserable, and I don't even know if I
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  Speaker 3: tasted what I ate. Small bites, chew it good, savor,
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  Speaker 3: enjoy every bite. You have an apostat in the bottom
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  Speaker 3: of your brain, and it's called the appetite controller, the apostat.
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  Speaker 3: But it takes about 20 minutes to catch up with
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  Speaker 3: your mouth and your stomach, so you will not feel
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  Speaker 3: full until about 20 minutes after you take your last bite.
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  Speaker 3: And then you're so miserable because your epistat really caught
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  Speaker 3: up and tells you that you are so super overfull.
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  Speaker 3: If you eat more slowly, you savor every bite, well,
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  Speaker 3: then your epistat will catch up. You're going to spend
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  Speaker 3: longer eating a less amount of food and really loving
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  Speaker 3: every bite that you take. So, you know, so my
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  Speaker 3: goal for you during the holidays is just that. Have discipline. Remember,
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  Speaker 3: it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness, which means right
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  Speaker 3: living and to those who are trained by it so
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  Speaker 3: you discipline yourself not to overeat, not to eat too
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  Speaker 3: much of the wrong stuff, really get those salads in,
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  Speaker 3: the vegetables, and less desserts, but eat them slowly and
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  Speaker 3: enjoy them when you do. And really take care of yourself.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the holidays are just terrible in your body
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of different ways. Get enough rest. Get
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  Speaker 3: enough sleep. Keep up your exercise. Keep your stress level
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  Speaker 3: manageable at least and breathe. Deep breaths, breathe, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just really don't get caught up in the hustle and bustle.
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  Speaker 3: Just be caught up in the joy and enjoyment of
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  Speaker 3: the season. Now, here's another thought. Most adults gain one
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  Speaker 3: to five pounds from December the 1st through New Year's. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what precipitates upon our, you know, every January
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  Speaker 3: we start a new diet program or whatever because we've
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  Speaker 3: gained that weight. One to five pounds during that month
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  Speaker 3: and a few days after. And here's the sad part, Jim.
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  Speaker 3: One or two of those pounds are never lost. And
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  Speaker 3: it's like the yo-yo. You gain some weight and you
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  Speaker 3: can lose most of it, but not all of it.
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  Speaker 3: So in five years, if you've gained one to five
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  Speaker 3: pounds during the holidays and you never lose one or
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  Speaker 3: two of those pounds in five years, just from the holidays,
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  Speaker 3: December 1st through New Year's, you have gained five to
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  Speaker 3: ten pounds. Now you add that five years to ten years,
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  Speaker 3: you've gained ten to twenty pounds and it just creeps
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  Speaker 3: up like that. But to realize that during one month,
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  Speaker 3: a little over one month, about twelve months, we will
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  Speaker 3: gain a pound or two that we never lose unless
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  Speaker 3: we have discipline and unless we manage ourselves during the
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  Speaker 3: holiday season as far as our healthy eating goes.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned this word discipline, Charlene, and everyone wants
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  Speaker 2: to have discipline. We know that food causes diabetes and
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  Speaker 2: high blood pressure and heart disease and problems on our
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  Speaker 2: joints and sleep apnea. We also, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of us have the knowledge, yeah, we should eat slower.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we should drink some water, eat some more fiber.
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  Speaker 2: But how do we, when everyone else is like pigging out,
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  Speaker 2: how do we get this discipline? You know, where does
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  Speaker 2: it come from? Does it come from education? You know,
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  Speaker 2: how would you apply this?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it comes a lot from education.
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  Speaker 3: And Jim, that's our focus and our goal and our
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  Speaker 3: desire that these programs will really educate. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: educating does nothing... unless you apply that education. Now, two
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  Speaker 3: ways I think you have to do that. I think
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  Speaker 3: you have to have a good will. You have to
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  Speaker 3: look at the big picture. You have to, and this applies,
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  Speaker 3: we could even branch out to smoking or whatever. People say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I know smoking's bad for me. I know I'm probably
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  Speaker 3: going to end up with lung cancer, but I just
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  Speaker 3: can't help it. Well, you have to have a bit
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  Speaker 3: of or a lot maybe of will yourself, that you
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  Speaker 3: are living not for the moment, but you are living
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  Speaker 3: for a lifetime to enjoy life, to be here for
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  Speaker 3: your grandchildren, so that you can have an influence on
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  Speaker 3: them and all of that. But I really think that
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  Speaker 3: it takes the power of the Holy Spirit to help
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  Speaker 3: you with your discipline. And you know what? He is
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  Speaker 3: so available to us. The Bible says, call on me
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  Speaker 3: and I will answer you, and I will show you
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  Speaker 3: great and mighty things that you know not. So when
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  Speaker 3: you say, Father, I desire to eat right. I desire
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  Speaker 3: to have discipline in my life in many areas of
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  Speaker 3: my life. But if I'm focusing on eating, you know
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  Speaker 3: that if I have something refrigerated that's bad for me,
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  Speaker 3: it calls to me. It pulls me to it. People
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  Speaker 3: tell me that and I say, well, hello. Don't buy
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  Speaker 3: the thing that treats you like that. Just don't buy it.
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  Speaker 3: If it's not in your house, it can't call you.
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  Speaker 3: But that's a little hard to do, I know. But
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  Speaker 3: it's a journey. It's baby steps. It's taking time to
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  Speaker 3: make gradual changes, but I think the word discipline, as
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  Speaker 3: it applies to the Bible, through the Bible into every
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  Speaker 3: area of our lives, requires our will, our willingness to
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  Speaker 3: be taught by that painful discipline that later reveals the
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  Speaker 3: peaceful fruit of righteousness. But we also need the help
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord, and He is so available to us.
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  Speaker 3: We call on Him, and He answers us. So He
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  Speaker 3: will help us in those areas as well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Charlene, Dr. McCullough, I think that's so important.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's lots of nutritional advice out there. There's
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  Speaker 2: lots of good recipes. There's lots of programs. And they
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  Speaker 2: all have great advice from a scientific viewpoint. But I
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  Speaker 2: think what you've stressed, just this last point, in eating
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  Speaker 2: well for the holidays, in discipline and learning, it takes
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  Speaker 2: the help of the Holy Spirit. And, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have to change everything at once. But when we
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  Speaker 2: get that extra help, we might see one or two
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  Speaker 2: things that we can help. that might help us do better.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to just summarize what we've talked about today.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about, you know, sugar substitute, like slim tevia,
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  Speaker 2: unbleached flour, sweet fruits, as far as the discipline goes,
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  Speaker 2: eating slowly, lower our stress, you know, exercise. And then
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the most important thing in a nutritional plan, get some
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  Speaker 2: extra help from our Heavenly Father. Dr. McCullough, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: joining us. And thank you, our listeners, for joining us
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  Speaker 2: happy holiday.
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