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State Senator Steve Huffman on Kratom · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: I try to stay up on all that. Chuck Douglass
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  Speaker 1: probably the ones I use most often. Just so you know.
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  Speaker 1: Cretum k R A t O M. Kreatum in the news,
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  Speaker 1: it is, it's it's derived from a plant. Natural substance
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  Speaker 1: can be there is There is such a thing as
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  Speaker 1: as what's the word I'm looking for? Is zach chemically created?
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  Speaker 1: Man synthetic? Yes, thank you, synthetic cretum, which I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I can't say that I'm necessarily in favor of that
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  Speaker 1: because you never know what's going in there. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can't trust anything these days. And the natural stuff
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  Speaker 1: though I didn't think I had a problem with. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, well this is good. I mean it's you
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  Speaker 1: know how many adding chickory to your coffee. It was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the same thing, except hey, pain relieve.
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  Speaker 1: You know South America, they'll chew on bark because the
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  Speaker 1: ass content of the bark. It's how they stay pavery.
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  Speaker 1: The kreatum is said by many to relieve pain. Not
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  Speaker 1: created by Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson and Johnson anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's natural, and it's not an opihoid.
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  Speaker 1: The governor, Governor Dwain and Governor Michael Dwaine here in
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  Speaker 1: the state of Ohio believes that it should be what
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  Speaker 1: they call a Schedule one drug, whatever the hell that means,
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  Speaker 1: and regulated in somehow, some way. Here's my problem with this,
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  Speaker 1: And again, I'm not drawing a line in the sand.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not definitive. I'm just saying from a philosophical standpoint here,
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  Speaker 1: something doesn't look right to me, doesn't feel right, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: sound right, doesn't seem right. When you have legalized gambling
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio with the Casino vote from
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  Speaker 1: the people constitutional amendment that creates so now you can
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  Speaker 1: go gamble. The gambling's illegal, yeah, but we're taxing it
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna take it a step farther. Now you
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  Speaker 1: can get online and do sports betting in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio. But gamblings they illegal. You have, but we're
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  Speaker 1: taxing it. Marijuana. Some say it may be addictive, some
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  Speaker 1: say it's not, some say it's a gateway drug. I
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  Speaker 1: just know it stinks, but hey, we're taxing it. So
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  Speaker 1: now it's legal for both medicinal and recreational purposes. Cigarettes
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  Speaker 1: are cancer. We're gonna kill you. The cigarettess okay, But
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  Speaker 1: it's tax so it's okay. Alcohol. Hey, will you buy
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  Speaker 1: it from the state store. The government's gonna sell it
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  Speaker 1: to you. It's addictive. You'd be an alcoholic. You might
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  Speaker 1: drink some of this and drive your car into a
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  Speaker 1: school bus. But hey, we're taxing it, so it's legal.
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  Speaker 1: Why is cretom suddenly a target here? I'm not I
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  Speaker 1: just I need to find what's going on in Denmark,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I go to the
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  Speaker 1: tip City mad Man, as is always the case, what
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  Speaker 1: I have questions about stuff like this Sier Steve Uffman,
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  Speaker 1: who is not only a member of the legislature but
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  Speaker 1: also is the benefit here. He is has a medical background,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm hoping he might be able to open my
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  Speaker 1: eyes or tell me some stuff. I don't know. Steve,
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  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well in yourself? A beautiful day out here
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  Speaker 2: in this great state of Aha.
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  Speaker 1: It is a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Sure that
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  Speaker 1: was the Credom kicking in. Sorry, what what do you know?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know the motivation behind this. Are you in
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  Speaker 1: agreement with it? Are you still trying to figure it out?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you stand?
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of that that we need to regulate the
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  Speaker 2: good stuff get rid of the bad stuff. And I
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  Speaker 2: can see where the Governor's coming from in the sense
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  Speaker 2: that there's been about four hundred people that have died
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  Speaker 2: of some type of overdose with credum in the last
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  Speaker 2: six or seven years, and it is an increased because
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  Speaker 2: I think just using it it has very little risk,
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  Speaker 2: But many of those overdoses are is it was act
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  Speaker 2: laced with fatanyl or opiates. They didn't diet from drinking
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  Speaker 2: a tea of kretum, but they'd actually died of the
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  Speaker 2: fentanyl and and other opiates.
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  Speaker 1: So the finnyl is already illegal, and I'm assuming that
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  Speaker 1: the act of adding it to something is illegal. So
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  Speaker 1: I mean, again, I don't see where the kratim itself
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  Speaker 1: is the problem, because the fentanyl is being added to
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  Speaker 1: marijuana here too. There's there's women dancing nicked in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the street. Thought they smoked a joint and
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  Speaker 1: ended up smoking something more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I agree with you. And so recently
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  Speaker 2: kind of like Dela eight and Dela nine. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of similarities to hemp in the sense that people
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  Speaker 2: have realized that within cret your body, your liver changes
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  Speaker 2: the chemical into something called seven oh H, a different
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  Speaker 2: chemical that does have some properties of opiods, and it
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  Speaker 2: can cause a euphoric effect, and it at very high
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  Speaker 2: doses can cause you to overdose and die on that
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  Speaker 2: and that has been happening recently, and I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the emphasis from the governor is that he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of the seven zero H. That people are concentrated,
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  Speaker 2: they're taking the cretum, they're concentrating it and causing some
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  Speaker 2: bad effect, and I think that is the main emphasis
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of it. So you know, there's been
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  Speaker 2: a bill in the General Assembly has gone through my
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  Speaker 2: committee was there last week last year or last General Assembly.
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  Speaker 2: Senator Blessing had introduced it from he's from Cincinnati. That
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  Speaker 2: would regulate so that we know where creative is coming from.
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  Speaker 2: It would be regulated by the Department of Agriculture. You
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  Speaker 2: know where it's coming from, the where they're making it,
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  Speaker 2: and refined mean that is it's a pure substance. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be safe and so that is an alternative
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  Speaker 2: and getting rid of it's it's making sure there's a
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  Speaker 2: safe supply in the in the in the state of
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  Speaker 2: Ohio so that people can use it the way they
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  Speaker 2: want it, and that.
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  Speaker 1: That sentence does obviously in with and it will be taxed, right,
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 2: Never heard that we were going to tax it anymore
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  Speaker 2: than that that than you do for a pair of
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  Speaker 2: shoes or anything. I mean, there's the normal sales tax.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard that there was going to be an
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  Speaker 2: increased tax on the product more than because I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure that we can because the Interstate Commerce clause.
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  Speaker 1: But well with the legalized a marijuana, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's been the discussion. Now we legalize it, and now
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  Speaker 1: we want to lower the THC and raise the tax
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  Speaker 1: on it. It's you know, if you're going to do it,
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  Speaker 1: I hate the smell of that crab. I hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I hate you hate But if it's going to be legal,
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  Speaker 1: you did it. Your the legislation passed. Why before you
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  Speaker 1: know the ashes even cool, are they talking about lowering
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  Speaker 1: THHD content and raising taxes on it? And I just
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  Speaker 1: worry that, you know, cretive falls into the same uh
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  Speaker 1: so vac same category and the warnings as far as
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  Speaker 1: the uh, you know, how it affects the body and
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  Speaker 1: the kidney, the liver and so forth. Doesn't would that
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  Speaker 1: same thing I'll go on your medical background here. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: that same thing apply to excessive use of ibuprofen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but you look at any any drug,
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  Speaker 2: any chemical. It's to the amount of what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Some people can take three three ivy profen, you know,
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  Speaker 2: every day for ten years and never have effect. And
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  Speaker 2: then the next guy can have you know, it takes
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  Speaker 2: it twice a day for for a year, and their
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  Speaker 2: their their kidney shut down. So there's not always a
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  Speaker 2: known threshold, and there's always a risk to any drug
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  Speaker 2: or any chemical that you take.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what the governor wants to do, does that require
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  Speaker 1: anything further than the legislation you wo were telling you
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  Speaker 1: about has already gone through your committee? Is there something
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  Speaker 1: new to come or is that the bill that he
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  Speaker 1: is he's supportive of and is trying to get past.
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  Speaker 2: So his approach is through the Pharmacy Board and so
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  Speaker 2: booming create them to a scheduled one drug would then
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  Speaker 2: give everybody in law enforcement the ability it would be
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  Speaker 2: totally banned because the scheduled one drug is that has
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  Speaker 2: no medical purpose. It's like LSD marijuana is currently a
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  Speaker 2: scheduled one drug that causes a lot of confusion. So
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  Speaker 2: his goal was to have the Pharmacy Board meet today
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  Speaker 2: and make that decision to totally ban it. It would
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  Speaker 2: take he could ban it right away, temporarily and then
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  Speaker 2: within six months. It would half a powerpagate the rules.
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  Speaker 2: But they ten minutes before the meeting, they stopped and said, well,
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  Speaker 2: cretum is not that bad, so maybe should we have
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  Speaker 2: kred them and get then get rid of seven O
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  Speaker 2: H or should we regulate this in a proper way
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  Speaker 2: to make sure it's safe in the market so that
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  Speaker 2: the people want to use it can continue to use it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good move by our pharmacy board. Honestly, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I'm not again, I'm not one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not standing totally against it, but I really think
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  Speaker 1: to take a step this, this bold, this quickly, and
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  Speaker 1: this unilaterally, that there needs to be some medical research
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  Speaker 1: done within and for the state of Ohio so that
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  Speaker 1: we can look at this reasonably and not just say, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're worried it might Because honestly, Steve everything you have
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  Speaker 1: said so far. I worry about the same thing with
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  Speaker 1: like I said, too much tail and all too much.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the people smoking the weed that they think
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  Speaker 1: is okay, it's legal now, so they're walking down the
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  Speaker 1: street smoking or whatever. You don't know if they bought
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  Speaker 1: that from a legal dispensary or the guy behind the
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  Speaker 1: abandoned chicken place. They don't know what's in it. They
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  Speaker 1: smoke it.
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  Speaker 2: It.
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  Speaker 1: I just the reasoning just isn't solid enough for me
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  Speaker 1: right now, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't disagree with Yeah. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: anything that we can do to make sure marijuana and
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  Speaker 2: HELMP and a Della nine trade them it comes from
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  Speaker 2: a safe source is good for all Ohiolands. And if
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  Speaker 2: you want to do it, then you know that's you
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  Speaker 2: know to me, if you keep it away from kids
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  Speaker 2: till you're eighteen, and you can make that decision, and
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  Speaker 2: that's their decision. But hey, there's nothing against the law
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  Speaker 2: for people making what I think is a bad decision,
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  Speaker 2: But it's their decision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just now these places. I know, we've got
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  Speaker 1: one guy who's getting a lot of news coverage. I
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  Speaker 1: forget his name, but he's got a couple of shops
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  Speaker 1: I guess that sell this stuff. If the state inspectors
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  Speaker 1: were to go in there, you know the same way
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  Speaker 1: they do to a restaurant and make sure you don't
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  Speaker 1: have roaches in the soup kettle and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that. You know, we were coming
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  Speaker 1: in to make sure you're selling a non tainted product
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, I would be okay with that. But to
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  Speaker 1: see this guy taking out a business in favor of
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  Speaker 1: a state regulated dispensary or something like that down the line,
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  Speaker 1: just I don't know. It seems opportunistic from the state
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio. Somebody wants something, somebody's selling something we need
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  Speaker 1: to it's it's it's very sopranos, like, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: need it, we need a piece of buy here, and
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  Speaker 1: it does just doesn't feel right to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the quick reaction without you know, public
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  Speaker 2: input people from the industry, I think was a little quick.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm glad that the pharmacy Board was canceled today
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  Speaker 2: so that there people can look at it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: going forward to see what is the proper the way
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  Speaker 2: to do this in the state of Baha.
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  Speaker 1: I truly appreciate you making yourself available, and I want
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  Speaker 1: everybody to know. Steve contacted me. He said, I know
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  Speaker 1: you'll end up talking about this, so I'm at your
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  Speaker 1: disposal when you need me. I didn't have to go
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  Speaker 1: chasing him down. He contacted me and said, I'm here
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  Speaker 1: when you need me, and I want people to know that.
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  Speaker 1: And how much I appreciate your availability and your willingness
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you having me on to me. It
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  Speaker 2: was an important side. Knew people were going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about this today and it was out there, and I
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to You're a good friend, and I just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that people got the right idea
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  Speaker 2: and what was really going on. But I appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 1: We will talk again soon in the very near future,
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  Speaker 1: State Senator Steve Huffman, and I'm sure it'll be about
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  Speaker 1: something vital and important and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, it's creatim And you know, the beauty of
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  Speaker 1: having him on is either he and I can be
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  Speaker 1: in agreement or disagreement. It doesn't matter. We both are
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  Speaker 1: searching for the same thing. Which is the best path,
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  Speaker 1: the most logical path, the most reasonable path, what benefits
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  Speaker 1: the people of the state of Ohio, what benefits the people, period,
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  Speaker 1: And I just I think the governor's on the wrong path,
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  Speaker 1: very you know, as I said, kind of dictatorial, very sopranos,
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  Speaker 1: like they want a piece of the action. And I
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  Speaker 1: just don't think, I don't think that works, at least
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  Speaker 1: not for me.