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#259| The 4 Hidden Symptoms Of Perimenopause And Menopause That Feel Like Overwhelm — And How To Recognize Them Before They Wreck You · Overwhelmed Working Woman: Boost Productivity, Master Time Management, Overcome Overwhelm & Stop People Pleasing

• 0:00
  Michelle Gauthier: When you listen today, you'll learn the four symptoms of perimenopause and menopause that might feel like overwhelm and how to recognize them before they wreck everything.
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  Michelle Gauthier: You're listening to Overwhelmed Working Woman, the podcast that helps you be more calm and more productive by doing less.
• 0:21
  Michelle Gauthier: I'm your host, Michelle Gauthier, a former Overwhelmed Working Woman and current life coach.
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  Michelle Gauthier: On this show, we unpack the stress and pressure that today's Working Woman experiences.
• 0:31
  Michelle Gauthier: And in each episode, you'll get a strategy to bring more calm, ease, and relaxation to your life.
• 0:41
  Michelle Gauthier: Hi, friend.
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  Michelle Gauthier: About six months ago, I shared on this podcast how absolutely miserable I had become with perimenopause and menopause.
• 0:49
  Michelle Gauthier: And I am so glad I did because it turns out a lot of you felt seen in that conversation.
• 0:54
  Michelle Gauthier: And it seems like right now that menopause and perimenopause are having a moment and it's about freaking time.
• 1:00
  Michelle Gauthier: Because when this comes upon you, when your brain gets foggy and you have mood swings and you can't keep all the details straight at work, or you're irritable all the time, it's so overwhelming to know what to even do next.
• 1:13
  Michelle Gauthier: And then you find out that your doctor, who you've trusted for years, maybe she even delivered all of your babies, might not be trained to treat menopause.
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  Michelle Gauthier: So today I have a great guest on.
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  Michelle Gauthier: Her name is Dana Culp, and she is a family nurse practitioner who's gone through her own horrific perimenopause experience.
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  Michelle Gauthier: Didn't even realize how bad it was until she was out of it, and then she made the decision to leave her high-level healthcare career to focus exclusively on caring for perimenopausal and menopausal women.
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  Michelle Gauthier: She's got so much to teach us.
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  Michelle Gauthier: So when you listen today, you'll learn the specific symptoms of perimenopause and menopause that women mistake for overwhelm or personal failure.
• 1:49
  Michelle Gauthier: How to find a provider who actually knows how to help you.
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  Michelle Gauthier: Because in my experience, your OBGIN might not know how to help you or be trained in this stage of life.
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  Michelle Gauthier: And three, what's actually possible on the other side of this?
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  Michelle Gauthier: Because Dana's patients go from feeling just terrible to feeling like themselves again.
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  Michelle Gauthier: And it can even happen faster than you think.
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  Michelle Gauthier: So if you're feeling like something's off and you don't know what it is, this episode is for you.
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  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you for being here, Dana.
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  Michelle Gauthier: Welcome to the podcast.
• 2:17
  Dana Culp: Thank you so much.
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  Dana Culp: I'm really happy to be here.
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  Dana Culp: I am Dana Culp.
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  Dana Culp: I'm a family nurse practitioner, and I have a private medical practice treating exclusively perimenopausal and menopausal women.
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  Dana Culp: We're in California, Nevada at this time and are expanding quickly across the United States.
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  Dana Culp: I started in critical care and then leadership for a big healthcare organization and then landed in family medicine, which I loved and did for a long time.
• 2:45
  Dana Culp: And then because of my own experience going through perimenopause, which was horrific, and I didn't even realize till I was out of it how bad it was.
• 2:54
  Dana Culp: That is the point when I transitioned into caring only for midlife women, recognizing the gap that was there and the lack of education and care and access for women.
• 3:04
  Michelle Gauthier: Learning from my friends and my experience with menopause, the way that I would describe it is everybody has one million random different symptoms, and we don't know what the solution is, and we just know that we're not of our clearest brain.
• 3:18
  Michelle Gauthier: It's like we have to figure out a complex problem and we can't even think straight.
• 3:22
  Michelle Gauthier: So if someone is feeling like that, and all you younger overwhelmed working women, listen too, because this is going to happen to you eventually.
• 3:29
  Michelle Gauthier: So if someone is really feeling that way, like something is not right, whether they have the night sweats or the brain fog or they've got weight gain, especially in their belly, whatever symptom they have, where should they start?
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  Michelle Gauthier: What should we do?
• 3:43
  Michelle Gauthier: How do we even think about this?
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  Dana Culp: That is such a good question.
• 3:46
  Dana Culp: And I think that we all have heard of hot flashes and maybe even weight gain.
• 3:51
  Dana Culp: I think there's a handful of symptoms that there might be a one-to-one connection with, oh, I think this might be something with hormones.
• 3:58
  Dana Culp: But there is a whole constellation of symptoms that the overwhelmed woman blames herself for.
• 4:04
  Dana Culp: If I just tried harder, what's wrong with me?
• 4:06
  Dana Culp: Why can't I do this?
• 4:07
  Dana Culp: I used to be able to do this, what's going on, and not making that connection that it's not about willpower or something wrong with you, but there is something underlying that's tying one of your arms behind your back.
• 4:18
  Dana Culp: The biggest saying that I hear is I don't feel like myself anymore.
• 4:22
  Dana Culp: And that can come out in how we handle, say, work.
• 4:26
  Dana Culp: We can't keep some details together anymore, or manage complex projects or even simple projects, challenges with interpersonal relationships and maybe a partner.
• 4:35
  Dana Culp: Why am I irritated all the time?
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  Dana Culp: Why am I snappy?
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  Dana Culp: Did they deserve it, or is there something wrong with me?
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  Dana Culp: There's all these mental gymnastics we do, and of course, again, blame ourselves.
• 4:44
  Dana Culp: So I think when it comes to the mood swings and the emotional piece, that is a lot more challenging because we excuse it away.
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  Dana Culp: Maybe I deserve to be upset in that moment, or there might be something wrong with me.
• 4:55
  Dana Culp: The first place I would want a woman to think of is I am changing.
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  Dana Culp: I wonder if more things are changing than I'm aware of.
• 5:02
  Dana Culp: And it's not your fault.
• 5:04
  Michelle Gauthier: And it's not your fault.
• 5:05
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes.
• 5:06
  Michelle Gauthier: Why do we always do that?
• 5:07
  Michelle Gauthier: We always blame ourselves.
• 5:08
  Michelle Gauthier: I feel like a woman's default is to do that.
• 5:10
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay.
• 5:11
  Michelle Gauthier: I think the one about you can't keep all the details together at your job, and you just feel not like yourself.
• 5:19
  Michelle Gauthier: I feel like people attribute that to age or just being overwhelmed because it feels like when you're overwhelmed, and the more you go along, the more kids you have, the more things they're doing, the more you get promoted.
• 5:31
  Michelle Gauthier: It's like you're moving up in life in all these ways with responsibilities.
• 5:35
  Michelle Gauthier: And it seems like it's just life that's overwhelming.
• 5:39
  Michelle Gauthier: So are there any clues or any way that they can find out for sure that it's perimenopause, or is it just a guessing game?
• 5:46
  Dana Culp: There's no test that tells you're in perimenopause.
• 5:49
  Dana Culp: It's definitely a symptom-driven diagnosis.
• 5:52
  Dana Culp: We can tell for sure if you're in menopause or if you have very specific hormonal deficiencies, but perimenopause is more of a time of chaos.
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  Dana Culp: And that is the 10 years leading up to a woman's final period, up to 10 years, sometimes even more, believe it or not.
• 6:06
  Dana Culp: And we never know when the final period is going to be.
• 6:09
  Dana Culp: So recognizing that something in you has changed, and I know that's just such a nuanced little, what does that mean?
• 6:16
  Dana Culp: But I think a lot of times women can tell something is different about me.
• 6:19
  Dana Culp: And that's why I think that the physical changes sometimes can be that little bell that lets us know to look a little deeper.
• 6:26
  Dana Culp: But our lives are complicated.
• 6:28
  Dana Culp: Lots of kids to juggle and a really busy job and friends, and maybe we volunteer and have things we do outside of work.
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  Dana Culp: So I think that a woman has to look at herself and think if I wasn't going to blame myself for this and think, wow, if I just tried harder, would I have compassion for a friend of mine that was telling me these same things?
• 6:45
  Dana Culp: And that can be just the signal that you need to get some help or get at least an assessment to see what's going on.
• 6:52
  Michelle Gauthier: That's such a great mindset shift to say if the problem isn't me, if it's nothing I've done to cause it, what else could it be?
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  Michelle Gauthier: What would I say to a friend?
• 7:02
  Michelle Gauthier: What have all my friends told me about how they're feelings?
• 7:05
  Michelle Gauthier: I love that.
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  Michelle Gauthier: And I think the fact that there is no test just makes it even more challenging where you think, am I imagining this?
• 7:14
  Michelle Gauthier: Am I crazy?
• 7:15
  Michelle Gauthier: But when you have those thoughts, you're like frustrated with a partner or frustrated with something.
• 7:20
  Michelle Gauthier: Sometimes I would be like, first of all, it's a thousand degrees inside my body.
• 7:23
  Michelle Gauthier: And second of all, I think I might kill someone.
• 7:26
  Michelle Gauthier: All of a sudden, I'm just serious about something that wouldn't have made me that upset that long ago that you're like, huh, I think something's going on here.
• 7:34
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay.
• 7:34
  Michelle Gauthier: If someone's hearing this and they're like, okay, maybe this is perimenopause, because the age range can be so wide.
• 7:42
  Michelle Gauthier: What should they do next?
• 7:43
  Michelle Gauthier: What would be your first move?
• 7:46
  Dana Culp: The first move would be to just get a little bit educated on how many things can be impacted by hormonal chaos.
• 7:53
  Dana Culp: And there's a lot of fabulous information out there right now, thank goodness.
• 7:56
  Dana Culp: For instance, I have a perimenopause quiz on my website.
• 8:00
  Dana Culp: It takes a couple of minutes, but it's really insightful.
• 8:02
  Dana Culp: Oh, that's awesome.
• 8:04
  Michelle Gauthier: We will link that because go and find out some information or read up on it is such a great idea.
• 8:09
  Michelle Gauthier: But then it's like where?
• 8:10
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, so number one, we go take this quiz and we find out if we're maybe in perimenopause.
• 8:16
  Michelle Gauthier: Is there any place else you would recommend that people go just for general information?
• 8:21
  Dana Culp: There's different sources.
• 8:22
  Dana Culp: There's some very big medical voices out there that have a large social presence.
• 8:26
  Dana Culp: If somebody was going to consume their information, maybe from platforms like that, I would urge them to stick with the medical people.
• 8:33
  Dana Culp: And not that they don't sometimes have varying opinions on certain details, but that can be a great place to start.
• 8:39
  Dana Culp: Unfortunately, there are movie stars and influencers who are speaking about this, and it's great that they're getting some notoriety to the topic, but I wouldn't get your medical advice from them.
• 8:48
  Dana Culp: Okay, okay.
• 8:49
  Michelle Gauthier: But do you trust Mary Claire Haver, for example?
• 8:52
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, I do.
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  Michelle Gauthier: Okay.
• 8:54
  Dana Culp: Yes, I do.
• 8:55
  Dana Culp: She's amazing.
• 8:56
  Dana Culp: I was just at a conference with her.
• 8:58
  Dana Culp: There's amazing women out there talking about this, but I like these particular ones because they come at this from a from each from a different medical perspective.
• 9:06
  Dana Culp: So Mary Claire Haver is a board-certified OBGYN.
• 9:09
  Dana Culp: Then you have Kelly Kasperson, who is a board-certified urologist, Heather Hirsch, internal medicine.
• 9:15
  Dana Culp: So they have slightly nuanced approaches to how they look at things, but overall they are giving up the same overall message.
• 9:22
  Michelle Gauthier: I lie in bed and look at Mary Claire Haver's reels and be like, okay, I'm not crazy.
• 9:27
  Michelle Gauthier: This is okay.
• 9:29
  Michelle Gauthier: I'm gonna be all right.
• 9:30
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, great.
• 9:31
  Michelle Gauthier: So once we have that information and we kind of understand what could be going on with our body, and maybe we've taken that perimenopause quiz.
• 9:38
  Michelle Gauthier: Can we become our normal selves again?
• 9:41
  Michelle Gauthier: Is there hope that we will one day feel better or feel back to our normal selves or a different version of ourselves?
• 9:47
  Michelle Gauthier: What can we hope for?
• 9:49
  Dana Culp: Absolutely, and both of those things.
• 9:52
  Dana Culp: And I would love to expand on that.
• 9:54
  Dana Culp: So feeling like yourself again.
• 9:56
  Dana Culp: I'm excited about my life again.
• 9:58
  Dana Culp: I'm excited to go do the things I used to love again.
• 10:00
  Dana Culp: That is a big thing I see every day in my practice.
• 10:02
  Dana Culp: Women shrinking and getting smaller and smaller because they're so overwhelmed with life and they barely can hold on to the things that they absolutely have to hold on to, say maybe their job, their household, and things like that.
• 10:12
  Dana Culp: But getting back to the things that really light you up in life, that can absolutely come back.
• 10:17
  Dana Culp: And it's shocking how fast it comes back.
• 10:20
  Dana Culp: The mental clarity, the stable moods, the incredible sleep, which then affects a lot of things.
• 10:26
  Dana Culp: But getting your body working again the way it used to, whether it's weight or back to sexual health.
• 10:31
  Dana Culp: So absolutely going back to yourself, but at the same time becoming this new version of you.
• 10:36
  Dana Culp: I really do believe that it's a second bloom.
• 10:39
  Dana Culp: It's a second chapter, it's the second act of our life.
• 10:42
  Dana Culp: Because when you go from being yourself to being this really tough version of yourself that's so hard to live your life as, and then the lights get turned back on again and you're yourself again, it is the biggest aha moment.
• 10:54
  Dana Culp: It's just life-changing.
• 10:55
  Dana Culp: And things get clearer where you can start doing the self-trimming of the things of your life that you really could say no to, but you never felt you had the power to.
• 11:04
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, I think this is where our work intersects because when women realize I'm so overwhelmed, and in some cases I'm going through perimenopause, and then they clear up the perimenopause.
• 11:15
  Michelle Gauthier: I just get to this point.
• 11:16
  Michelle Gauthier: I swear I see this moment in every one of my one-on-one clients.
• 11:20
  Michelle Gauthier: There just comes a time where they are like the version of themselves who just does not care what other people think anymore in the best way possible.
• 11:28
  Michelle Gauthier: They can say no, they're clear on what they actually want.
• 11:31
  Michelle Gauthier: They're like, no, I'm not taking any more crap from that person.
• 11:34
  Michelle Gauthier: Absolutely, you cannot ask me at the last second and expect me to do that.
• 11:38
  Michelle Gauthier: It's like this bigger, empowered, strong version of themselves, like you describing it as a second bloom.
• 11:44
  Michelle Gauthier: I absolutely see that all the time too.
• 11:47
  Michelle Gauthier: And it's so rewarding because I think that really is our best self.
• 11:51
  Michelle Gauthier: We've been socialized to be smaller and not offend people and always be the ones taking care of other people.
• 11:58
  Michelle Gauthier: And when we get to the point where we can be our true full self and drop all of that conditioning, it's so powerful.
• 12:05
  Dana Culp: We are loving and that's just women are like that.
• 12:09
  Dana Culp: But now I get to choose.
• 12:10
  Dana Culp: And I'm not, I don't feel unconsciously like I have to always say yes, or I have to always be nice and make sure people like me.
• 12:16
  Dana Culp: I still want to be those things, but it's going to be on my terms.
• 12:19
  Dana Culp: And I think that's I think that is the switch.
• 12:23
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:24
  Michelle Gauthier: That is so incredible.
• 12:25
  Michelle Gauthier: So I know you can't obviously share anything confidential from patients, but tell us maybe there's one patient who comes to mind, or generalize and tell us what your patients start as and then how they can finish.
• 12:38
  Michelle Gauthier: Tell us what's possible and the transformation.
• 12:41
  Michelle Gauthier: There's just so many women every day.
• 12:43
  Dana Culp: It's just, it's miraculous.
• 12:45
  Dana Culp: It's the most fulfilling thing I've ever done in my life, actually.
• 12:48
  Dana Culp: I'd say the vast majority of women end up crying in the appointment at some point when they come in.
• 12:53
  Dana Culp: You have these accomplished, beautiful, loving women with fabulous families and jobs and/or stay-home mom, and they're just these amazing women, and they just don't know why they can't do it anymore or what's going on with them.
• 13:07
  Dana Culp: And things are breaking down, interpersonal relationships, partners, things like that.
• 13:11
  Dana Culp: My personal philosophy is to let them tell me what's going on, tell me what their goals are, tell me what they're thinking, and then I let them know what their options are for them specifically, and every woman is a little bit different.
• 13:26
  Dana Culp: And then together we decide what the best course is.
• 13:29
  Dana Culp: I don't tell them what my best idea is for them.
• 13:33
  Dana Culp: We do it together.
• 13:34
  Dana Culp: And then almost without exception, we follow up pretty quickly to get things ramped up by the next appointment, and usually before that, it's like their life has changed.
• 13:43
  Dana Culp: And now they're crying for a different reason.
• 13:45
  Dana Culp: Yes.
• 13:46
  Dana Culp: Oh my gosh.
• 13:47
  Dana Culp: And just that recognizing that wow, I was in there the whole time and I thought there was something wrong with me.
• 13:52
  Dana Culp: So without giving specific women, I can think of two women in my head, but they do represent so many women.
• 13:58
  Dana Culp: One gal is, again, beautiful, accomplished executive, has always managed everything.
• 14:02
  Dana Culp: But what drove her in to see me was her relationship was just about at the end.
• 14:08
  Dana Culp: She was always angry at her partner.
• 14:10
  Dana Culp: I think they'd been married for around 30 years, very loving couple, but he had just about had it with her.
• 14:15
  Dana Culp: She was always upset with him.
• 14:17
  Dana Culp: He couldn't do anything right.
• 14:18
  Dana Culp: She hadn't wanted to be intimate.
• 14:20
  Dana Culp: She didn't want to go do anything.
• 14:21
  Dana Culp: He felt so, so rejected.
• 14:23
  Dana Culp: And no matter what she did, she couldn't convince him that that everything's okay because he still had his own feelings.
• 14:29
  Dana Culp: And I and that was the reason she came in, is she didn't want to lose her marriage and she didn't know what was wrong with her.
• 14:34
  Dana Culp: And that's how she said it.
• 14:36
  Dana Culp: So we came up with a great plan.
• 14:38
  Dana Culp: She left incredibly heard and incredibly hopeful.
• 14:41
  Dana Culp: And when she came back the next time, she was so lit up because he had asked her to go do things that he loves to do, and she had declined for years.
• 14:48
  Dana Culp: And she went with him and loved every minute of it.
• 14:50
  Dana Culp: And among other things, intimacy came back and things like that.
• 14:53
  Dana Culp: So she told me that he told her, I have my wife back.
• 14:57
  Dana Culp: Took everything I had, not to cry myself in that appointment.
• 14:59
  Dana Culp: Because it was so symbolic of we're not going to be this version we never were, but we want to just be ourselves again.
• 15:06
  Dana Culp: And so that was really an impactful representation of that.
• 15:10
  Michelle Gauthier: That is just amazing.
• 15:11
  Michelle Gauthier: Overwhelmingly joyful job that must have been for you that day.
• 15:16
  Michelle Gauthier: Obviously, everybody's story is different, but just the idea that you could have a meeting with a practitioner who listens to you, helps you to design a solution and then follows up until you're feeling all the way better, sounds like a dream because it's so weird.
• 15:31
  Michelle Gauthier: If you had anything else, you could figure that out.
• 15:34
  Michelle Gauthier: But for some reason, menopause, it seems so hard to find someone who will do that and who is open to all solutions and listening to you and coming up with something.
• 15:43
  Michelle Gauthier: So if someone is feeling that way, like I want that experience that you just described, obviously they can come to you if they can do telehealth.
• 15:53
  Michelle Gauthier: Is there another way, if they can't work with you, that they could find the right doctor or nurse practitioner in their area?
• 16:01
  Dana Culp: Absolutely.
• 16:01
  Dana Culp: Yeah, there's more and more folks getting educated on this.
• 16:04
  Dana Culp: I would urge folks to recognize that even an OBGYN or any other specialist that you think of for women's health doesn't mean they're necessarily educated on this stage of life.
• 16:15
  Dana Culp: For instance, OBGYNs are more focused on reproductive years and how do I get pregnant?
• 16:20
  Dana Culp: What do I do when I don't want to be pregnant or those type of things or cancers and stuff.
• 16:24
  Dana Culp: But after reproduction, there's very little focus.
• 16:27
  Dana Culp: Only one out of five have any formal training during medical school.
• 16:31
  Dana Culp: Heather Hirsch is a huge clinician educator and she has her own directory who she's personally trained, all of those people.
• 16:38
  Dana Culp: Of course, talking to your girlfriends, anybody who's gotten some help from somebody who's educated.
• 16:44
  Dana Culp: And then the third is there are some wonderful online resources.
• 16:48
  Dana Culp: There's the big, huge national companies that might be a place to start, even if it's a little bit impersonal, or smaller practices like mine that are easy to access because they're telehealth.
• 16:59
  Dana Culp: I would say those are my three levels of seeking out care.
• 17:03
  Dana Culp: But talking to your girlfriends, that's always a good place to start.
• 17:06
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, that is that's a good, that's a good one for every problem in life, right?
• 17:09
  Michelle Gauthier: Right?
• 17:10
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes.
• 17:11
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, so if people do want to work with you via telehealth, where do where should they start?
• 17:17
  Dana Culp: They can go to my website, thriveidlifemed.com.
• 17:21
  Dana Culp: And while right now I'm seeing patients on the West Coast, one big part of my practice, if somebody wasn't going to become my patient, is I do consultations.
• 17:33
  Dana Culp: And I that part of the practice is getting busier and busier.
• 17:36
  Dana Culp: And what that looks like is somebody does have their trusted GP, their trusted primary care that just does not know anything about this space, which again, that's okay.
• 17:45
  Dana Culp: We can't know everything about everything.
• 17:46
  Dana Culp: And so the patients will come to me for have that deep dive, that deep conversation, full assessment, what are my options?
• 17:54
  Dana Culp: And then I will lay out the exact recommendations, whether what medications, what dosage, what cadence of initiating them, what kind of labs I recommend.
• 18:03
  Dana Culp: And then they take that piece of paper, that consult, and take it to their primary.
• 18:08
  Dana Culp: And almost without exception, they're thrilled to just carry out those plans and then they take over.
• 18:14
  Dana Culp: So that can be a stopgap.
• 18:16
  Dana Culp: As providers, we don't we don't get paid to write prescriptions or to order labs.
• 18:20
  Dana Culp: And my personal philosophy is I just want women to get educated and I want them to get care.
• 18:25
  Dana Culp: And it doesn't have to be from me, but I just want to do everything I can to make sure that they can get that care.
• 18:30
  Dana Culp: And so that's why I've allowed that kind of niche to start in my practice.
• 18:34
  Dana Culp: So then it doesn't matter what state you're in to have that.
• 18:36
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, okay, that's great.
• 18:38
  Michelle Gauthier: So maybe that is the best after they talk to the doctor who they're already seeing and realize if he or she is not educated in that way, maybe that's the best place to start is to do that consultation with you, whether or not they're in the states where you practice.
• 18:53
  Michelle Gauthier: Correct.
• 18:53
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, I'm gonna ask you my final two questions, which have nothing to do with perimenopause or menopause, that I ask all of my guests.
• 19:00
  Michelle Gauthier: The first one is what is a rule that you have for yourself that you rarely break?
• 19:05
  Michelle Gauthier: Daily movement.
• 19:07
  Dana Culp: Daily movement.
• 19:08
  Dana Culp: That was a very hard-learned lesson.
• 19:11
  Dana Culp: And not only does it keep the body rolling along the way the best way it's supposed to, but I have learned for myself that it is imperative for my mental health to move.
• 19:21
  Dana Culp: And it doesn't have to be a big deal.
• 19:23
  Dana Culp: It doesn't have to be going to the gym and lifting weights for an hour.
• 19:25
  Dana Culp: Honestly, just sometimes just stepping out for a 15-minute walk.
• 19:29
  Dana Culp: But daily movement, that is my gift to myself.
• 19:31
  Dana Culp: And I rarely go against that rule.
• 19:35
  Michelle Gauthier: Wow, that's impressive.
• 19:36
  Michelle Gauthier: Seven days a week, you're getting some kind of movement in.
• 19:39
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes.
• 19:40
  Michelle Gauthier: And then my second question is what is something unrelated to work that you just love right now?
• 19:45
  Michelle Gauthier: What's something that you're into?
• 19:46
  Dana Culp: Not sure if this is the question you're asking, but I we just got our first grandbaby.
• 19:50
  Dana Culp: I am just so in love and completely obsessed.
• 19:53
  Dana Culp: And any extra minute I have, I spend with him.
• 19:56
  Michelle Gauthier: That sounds like the absolute perfect answer.
• 19:59
  Michelle Gauthier: Oh my gosh, how exciting.
• 20:01
  Michelle Gauthier: I love babies.
• 20:02
  Michelle Gauthier: A baby.
• 20:02
  Michelle Gauthier: Oh, yeah.
• 20:02
  Michelle Gauthier: All babies.
• 20:03
  Michelle Gauthier: Um jealous.
• 20:04
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, all the babies.
• 20:06
  Michelle Gauthier: We know we can go to your website to set up a virtual consultation with you to take that perimenopausal quiz.
• 20:13
  Michelle Gauthier: Is there anything else that people can find or any products that you have that they should be looking for?
• 20:19
  Dana Culp: One fabulous offering we have is a free virtual class about what we've been speaking about today, what's going on, what you can do about it, how to get the care that you need.
• 20:29
  Dana Culp: We do have them live, but they also are available for free replay off of the website as well.
• 20:35
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, so even if somebody can't make it live, that's great.
• 20:38
  Michelle Gauthier: Perfect.
• 20:39
  Michelle Gauthier: So three potential great resources just all in one website, which we will link in the show notes, and then we'll also link some of those resources who you suggested to follow too.
• 20:47
  Dana Culp: Wonderful, wonderful.
• 20:49
  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you so much from all the overwhelmed working women who feel like they're gonna murder someone and are sweating and don't know why.
• 20:57
  Dana Culp: We appreciate it.
• 20:58
  Dana Culp: Thanks for all the good you're putting out into the world.
• 21:01
  Dana Culp: Thanks so much for having me.
• 21:02
  Dana Culp: It's been a real pleasure, and I love your work and what you're doing for women.
• 21:09
  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you for listening to the Overwhelmed Working Women podcast.
• 21:12
  Michelle Gauthier: If you want to learn more about my work, head over to my website at MichelleGauthier.com.
• 21:19
  Michelle Gauthier: See you next week.