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Swapping Gum...and Secrets with Bailey Taylor and Jeremy Simon · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with our radio.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. We're here still. It's a very
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  Speaker 2: exciting time. We got to sit in on the reunion.
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  Speaker 2: It was hosted by Wells Adams had some of our
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  Speaker 2: favorites from Bachelor in Paradise. One of our favorites are
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  Speaker 2: with us right now, Jeremy and Bailey, are we your favorites? Now,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna get to that because I think you got
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  Speaker 2: very upset about something.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's just start there.
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  Speaker 2: On our podcast, we did we made fun of you
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  Speaker 2: two for swapping gum.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I don't I don't even get pissed about that.
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  Speaker 3: Was that I've been. I've been. I don't listen to
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  Speaker 3: a lot of podcasts, but I got signed clips and
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  Speaker 3: you guys, so you're just talking no way, Yeah I would,
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  Speaker 3: I would love the clips. We never met in person.
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  Speaker 4: So it's fair now that you've met us, now you
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  Speaker 4: can love me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Bailey, you Jeremy, we're just gonna keep no
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  Speaker 1: gum swapping.
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  Speaker 4: Let me say, I feel like it wasn't that I
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  Speaker 4: did get that clip. I I didn't think that the
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  Speaker 4: gum swap people, I didn't think it was that gross. Also,
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  Speaker 4: we're not allowed to married.
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  Speaker 1: I'm married. Yes, I wouldn't do it with her.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, listen, we're not allowed to have gum, like you're
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  Speaker 4: not supposed to have gum when you're filming. And so
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  Speaker 4: the reason we would just swap it is because we're
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  Speaker 4: just like, you know, it's a ration, like you're ras
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  Speaker 4: like we're rationing gum. People don't understand. We're in a war.
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  Speaker 3: War.
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  Speaker 2: Here's how one of you the gum swapping. This was
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  Speaker 2: never meant to be a hit or an attack on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's in one of those gray areas that
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  Speaker 2: some might say that's not gross. And you could look
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  Speaker 2: at me and say that's crazy that you would not
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  Speaker 2: swap gum with your wife, which you would be entitled
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  Speaker 2: to say that, And I could think about that and
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  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, that is actually kind of weird that
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't swap gum with my wife. However, I think
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  Speaker 2: there's another side that would say that is very weird,
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  Speaker 2: like that is that is as freaky as you can
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  Speaker 2: get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, food from the deal. Okay, to be fair, we
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  Speaker 1: would never like eat let's talk about it, never like
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  Speaker 1: eat food and then choose the gum.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of just like you have a moment where
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  Speaker 4: you're like, I would love a piece of gum right now.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I want free choose.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I Well, when you are in paradise, you do
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  Speaker 2: resort to crazy, you're in.
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  Speaker 4: Tough times, you're rationing, you're.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is a polarizing moment because the show
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  Speaker 2: showed it, so I think they wanted a reaction like
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  Speaker 2: they would have showed that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we were expecting that.
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  Speaker 3: We were fine with it, but we're like out of everything.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, this sounds like can we get a conversation abouts
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  Speaker 4: talking about our future?
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  Speaker 1: They were like, no, no, the gum. I love it, Jermy.
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  Speaker 2: I do want you to just send the clips because
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  Speaker 2: I did not come into this. It's expecting you have
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  Speaker 2: a job. I do have a job. We've had this
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  Speaker 2: job for many years. Uh, and I came into this
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  Speaker 2: interview excited to talk to you, but.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to hear for a reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremy, you didn't necessarily from the viewers and the
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  Speaker 2: listeners that were to send you didn't necessarily know if
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  Speaker 2: you wanted to come to this reunion. I think you
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  Speaker 2: put a poll online at shows here asking if you
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  Speaker 2: should come or not. It felt like you were kind
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  Speaker 2: of leaning on I don't want to be here? Do
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  Speaker 2: you actually want to be here? Did you want to
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  Speaker 2: come today?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily want to come for other reasons that
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  Speaker 3: I probably am not allowed to say, but I'm obviously here,
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  Speaker 3: and I wanted it whether I wanted to come or not.
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  Speaker 3: I know Bailey wanted to come, so I was going
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  Speaker 3: to come and support her and support us, yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: talk about our journey a bit. But I'm obviously happy
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  Speaker 3: to see my We're also.
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  Speaker 4: Like under contract, so we have to come.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think you really choice.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I think we did want to come
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  Speaker 4: to be able to like share moments of like our relationship,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, also, I think a lot of peop
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  Speaker 4: people have had a lot of questions for us, and
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  Speaker 4: there's obviously not a time where we can be like,
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  Speaker 4: let us answer all these questions on our story about
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  Speaker 4: why this happened and what you know, being able to
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  Speaker 4: you know, just like a test for things, and also
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  Speaker 4: share other conversations that happened. So I feel like that's
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  Speaker 4: why we wanted to come. I think you always get nervous,
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  Speaker 4: just like on the drama level of just being like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: are we going to be included or what if someone
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  Speaker 4: has a vendetta? But I feel like overall the reunion
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  Speaker 4: went really well for us, and I think we really
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  Speaker 4: patched up things with other people that we may have
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  Speaker 4: had lingering.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think my part of it is we're
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  Speaker 3: just tired, like it's been ten long weeks in them,
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  Speaker 3: like we knew this would be, like there would be
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  Speaker 3: something out of it, sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: Two episodes a week, and that.
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  Speaker 3: Was five hours and three hours. I think like both
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  Speaker 3: of us were just exhausted, which I was like, I go,
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  Speaker 3: we're here, We're happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're happy to be here, because when
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  Speaker 2: we plan this whole thing out and I was told
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  Speaker 2: that I was being asked to speak with each couple,
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  Speaker 2: I did want to speak with the two of you
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  Speaker 2: because this season, for me, I was trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out a way to word it, and I'm gonna try
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  Speaker 2: to do in the way I thought about in the
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  Speaker 2: plane today coming here. Your relationship is a really beautiful relationship.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and when we saw so much of that
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  Speaker 2: and we saw the depths of it, and I felt
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  Speaker 2: like from a viewers standpoint, all of a sudden, at
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  Speaker 2: the very end of your journey, that relationship was put
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  Speaker 2: into question from the viewer's eyeballs, right, like everything was
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  Speaker 2: great and beautiful when you guys were solid and strong,
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  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, this controversy comes out
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  Speaker 2: and then you guys go home. Yeah, and there was
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  Speaker 2: and I think unfortunately with Paradise, there isn't that kind
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  Speaker 2: of limbo stage where you get to see you to heal.
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  Speaker 2: Viewers had the question of are they still together? Are
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  Speaker 2: they actually mad at each other? And then we see
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  Speaker 2: this like Brian thing come into play, and that felt
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  Speaker 2: like it overshadowed everything that was built to that point.
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  Speaker 2: That was my perspective as a viewer watching this. I
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  Speaker 2: want to hear your respond to that and maybe if
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  Speaker 2: you can walk us through your experience in Paradise.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, uh similar you know to you is that
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  Speaker 3: it like it was upsetting to because I felt like
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  Speaker 3: that power to anything, and we talked about it many times.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously I was stupe passion fun or said some of
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  Speaker 3: the stuff I did. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: it was like a couple of days, like days out
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  Speaker 3: of you know, four weeks of us filming. So we
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  Speaker 3: were just upset that like our actual love story shown
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  Speaker 3: and people are gonna question, like, oh dude, they even
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  Speaker 3: like each other all this. Yeah, so that's what sucked.
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  Speaker 3: But in reality, what it was is like there were
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  Speaker 3: two people who literally, like I knew a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people going who are going to be at the beach,
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  Speaker 3: she was not one of them. And by chance, we
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  Speaker 3: just like sat next to each other and started talking
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  Speaker 3: and it was really like this like aw thing that
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  Speaker 3: like developed over time. And then you know, people rip
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  Speaker 3: on the challenge part for you know, there are some
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  Speaker 3: reasons to rip on it, but it was actually like
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  Speaker 3: great to just like really get to each other better
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  Speaker 3: and like communication and how to work together. And I
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  Speaker 3: think unfortunately a lot of that was left out. But
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  Speaker 3: like we left Paradise so strong, yeah, and like it's
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  Speaker 3: been you know, one hundred times better then yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's why we were also, I think
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  Speaker 4: very caught off guard when we got sent home because
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  Speaker 4: like I even with with the whole thing with Brian
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  Speaker 4: and with the phone call and with the comments, like
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  Speaker 4: I feel like we had so many long conversations that
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  Speaker 4: weren't necessarily there's not enough time. Then out the amount
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  Speaker 4: of time we spent on the conversations the same amount
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  Speaker 4: of time as the show as an episode. So I
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  Speaker 4: feel like, yeah, a lot of those moments get cut
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  Speaker 4: and then obviously I think this a lot of that
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  Speaker 4: the drama did overshadow still us being a strong couple
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  Speaker 4: because we moved on from it. I feel like in
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  Speaker 4: the real world, like you have challenges, you have things
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  Speaker 4: that arise, you have conversations about it. You don't have
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  Speaker 4: to rewatch them back with each other, but you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, you move on from them. And so
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  Speaker 4: I do wish that people really got to hear our
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  Speaker 4: conversations in our really good moments together, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's all part of a plan and we can't really
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  Speaker 4: control anything.
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  Speaker 2: Before I get two carried away, I do want to
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  Speaker 2: give a shout out to the hotel. We're staying at,
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  Speaker 2: the Porto Fino Hotel Marina. Escape the coast at the
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  Speaker 2: Porto Fino Hotel Marina in Redondo Beach, Wake up to
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  Speaker 2: the sweeping ocean views, then dye Marina front at the
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  Speaker 2: Berlin Kitchen, where fresh flavors meet stunning King Harbor views
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  Speaker 2: at Dockside Adventure center, rent kayaks, paddleboards, or take our
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  Speaker 2: complimentary bikes out for a spin along the coast and
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  Speaker 2: back to the hotel. Unwine in the living room the
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  Speaker 2: Porto Fino pours self served tap wall and soak in
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  Speaker 2: a breath taking coastal sunset. The Porto Fino Hotel and
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  Speaker 2: marina where Coastal Charm meets in the Discovery. Now let's
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  Speaker 2: get back to our interview. Well, that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: frustrations I think that viewers would have is I think
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  Speaker 2: we assumed you guys left the beach strong. We didn't
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  Speaker 2: really know. We didn't know kind of what the behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes conversation is going to look like. You now
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  Speaker 2: have been able to watch the whole season back, you've
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  Speaker 2: been able to sit in the reunion, and kind of
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  Speaker 2: for a very short period of time, you were not
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  Speaker 2: the focus of the drama by any means.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of Era's shop. We were nervous,
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  Speaker 1: we were going to.
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  Speaker 4: Be We were like, came and we're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I want to thank everyone, thank our friends in there,
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  Speaker 4: because we were all pretty leveled.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't as aggressive as some conversations got
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  Speaker 2: by any means, but you watched it back and you
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  Speaker 2: obviously saw now the controversy, the phone call. You got
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  Speaker 2: to see Brian's kind of you know, thought process to
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  Speaker 2: the conversation he had with you, and all this kind
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  Speaker 2: of fire.
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  Speaker 1: Walk us through what it was like to watch it back.
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  Speaker 2: But then also I think the interesting thing is how
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  Speaker 2: did you to stay connected as a couple through watching
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  Speaker 2: it back? Because it couldn't have been easy no matter what.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you could talk more on it because obviously
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  Speaker 3: had watch bag. It was hard for me to seeing her,
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  Speaker 3: but we we had talked through everything there. We talked
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  Speaker 3: the season started, and we obviously talked through while was airing.
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  Speaker 3: But like we have grown so much and we're spending
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  Speaker 3: like probably time than any couple together we've been.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've been together for like this summer, so
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  Speaker 4: that's been really nice.
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  Speaker 3: So like, like what whatever happened, we had already worked
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  Speaker 3: through and our relationship had gotten a million times stronger.
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  Speaker 3: Like we're meeting each other's family, I went out to
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  Speaker 3: our place, and so it was so far past that
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  Speaker 3: that so it didn't make it like less hard to
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  Speaker 3: watch back, but we just like remember that it was
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  Speaker 3: in the past and there's times it was obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was. I knew conversations and moments
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  Speaker 4: and comments were coming. It was never like I was
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  Speaker 4: caught off guard by anything and I was just like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm shocked. I feel like, obviously it's
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  Speaker 4: still hard because, like I know, we're together, and majority
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  Speaker 4: of the episodes we did end up watching them together.
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  Speaker 4: I think there was like maybe one or two where
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  Speaker 4: I was like on the way to New York or
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  Speaker 4: something where I watched it on the plane. So I think,
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  Speaker 4: obviously those comments are going to be hard no matter
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  Speaker 4: how you spin it, no matter what happened, it's still
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  Speaker 4: hard to listen to. But I feel like we've done
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  Speaker 4: a really good job of like communicating, and I feel
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  Speaker 4: like he's also done a really good job of just
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  Speaker 4: like listening to how I'm feeling or how overwhelmed I
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  Speaker 4: am about the comments or the questions and the things
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  Speaker 4: from so many people. And so I feel like I
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  Speaker 4: have to give him props just like how he's handled that,
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  Speaker 4: because he's really like with whatever questions or moments or
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  Speaker 4: any time, like even if I brought it up today
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  Speaker 4: and I needed questions about it, he would sit and
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  Speaker 4: have answers for them, So I feel like that's been
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  Speaker 4: really helpful in us being able to like grow from
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  Speaker 4: those little moments. I also realized that like all of
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  Speaker 4: that happened like over a span of a few days.
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  Speaker 4: And then obviously it's hard because like I wasn't initially
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  Speaker 4: told about the phone call, which I feel like is
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  Speaker 4: so hard, But I also understand where everyone's coming from,
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  Speaker 4: because like at that moment, we're like really focus on
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  Speaker 4: the competition, like we were only focusing on like our
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  Speaker 4: relationship and preparing for the challenges ahead and just being
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  Speaker 4: like locked in on that, And so I feel like
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  Speaker 4: a lot of that has to play with like timing
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  Speaker 4: and things as well. So yeah, it's obviously it's like
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  Speaker 4: who wants to hear those comments? Who wants to see
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  Speaker 4: those things? Nobody does? But I also feel like I
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  Speaker 4: knew they were coming, so I think it lessened the
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  Speaker 4: blow a lot of me being like so distraught about them,
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  Speaker 4: because I really had time. We had so many conversations
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  Speaker 4: in Paradise after Paradise, like even just when we were
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  Speaker 4: in the hotel coming back to be like in the
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  Speaker 4: Jury of Peers for Paradise or the Parliament of paradise, Like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we had a lot of deep off camera
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  Speaker 4: conversations that were really nice for us to just be
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  Speaker 4: like okay, like we can really just lay everything out
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  Speaker 4: and I think also work through logistics of just like
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  Speaker 4: how we were going to work outside and you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll be the first one to say I
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  Speaker 3: should have sooner, Like my intent was ever by bioment
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  Speaker 3: anything by not telling her that quickly, Like I knew
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  Speaker 3: that if we were going to be together, I would
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  Speaker 3: be telling her on the show too, So it's I
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have got Matt at Brian, Like me and Brian
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  Speaker 3: have talked to times about this, and I should have
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  Speaker 3: told her sooner. But like at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: like it's in the past and it's something that work
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  Speaker 3: together on and it has brought us closer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it says a lot about
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  Speaker 2: the two of you. I also think it says a
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  Speaker 2: lot about you, Bailey and kind of your understanding of
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  Speaker 2: what show you were on and how messy can get.
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  Speaker 2: And but Jeremy, for you, you're obviously deeply invested in
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  Speaker 2: this relationship at this point, you're watching this season back,
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  Speaker 2: you see this stuff starts to spiral out of control.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you, I mean, I've been through the show.
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  Speaker 2: I know what it's like when things start spiring out
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  Speaker 2: of control when you're watching it back, and how helpless
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  Speaker 2: that sometimes feels. Jeremy, I want to get your perspective
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  Speaker 2: on what kind of it meant to you for Bailey
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  Speaker 2: to stay strong and stay engaged and stay in it.
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  Speaker 3: Like everything in the world. Like I already knew she
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  Speaker 3: was a great teammate from like not team, like a
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  Speaker 3: challenge like partner from suffer going through, but then that
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  Speaker 3: she's like she is my woman, and just like her
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  Speaker 3: understanding of me as a person, and like where my
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  Speaker 3: head is a right she means to me, and like
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  Speaker 3: how I want things.
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  Speaker 2: It's very lucky you are. Yeah, I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 2: everybody does it. That's why the success rate is like
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  Speaker 2: less than ten percent from the show, because these moments
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  Speaker 2: break couples, but they also can bring them together and
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  Speaker 2: make them stronger. Jeremy, you took some heat up on
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  Speaker 2: stage here at the reunion. I didn't really understand what
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  Speaker 2: was going on. I had to google a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It was about your dislike for the Goldens, and I
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  Speaker 2: do feel like one of my jobs. I do still
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  Speaker 2: want you to send me the clips, but one of
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  Speaker 2: my jobs here almost famous, is to bring to light
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  Speaker 2: anything that I think could potentially look really bad. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a moment for you during the reunion
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  Speaker 2: that will look not great, and so I want you
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  Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to speak some more clarity into
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  Speaker 2: what that whole thing was. The claim was made that
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  Speaker 2: you didn't like the Goldens, and then a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people started talking and you didn't really get to like clarify,
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  Speaker 2: and then it moved on, and so I want this
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  Speaker 2: to be a moment you can clarify.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was based off of a comment that I said,
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  Speaker 3: like in our one on one day having dinner. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, they just keep.
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  Speaker 1: Going on a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I don't hate them. I'll be the first one to
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  Speaker 3: say I was not happy when it was announced that
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  Speaker 3: they were coming.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm like, I don't think it should be mixed.
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  Speaker 3: I think spots could be going to other people, Like,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know how this will work. It felt weird.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: So when they had you already agreed to be on
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: the show when that was announced, yeah, okay, so you
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: were like, oh no.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I did I called one of the show runners when
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I was announced, I'm like, what it like, what is like?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: But either way, So like when when at first when
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: they were there, I was like, and I'm nothing wrong
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: with golden parents.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I have parents, So that's what I want to make
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: sure that you're like if you were like, no, I
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: just don't like to go.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I will be that age in thirty years, so.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Hopefull I'm not going.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like what I was like, I had that.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: View at first, but like it did change. And like
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Keith and Kathy especially, I love those guys. So I
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: like half the things that come out of my mouth
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: and it's not a good excuse are like rye. But
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: I said, like I hate them. I hate that they're
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: going on, which the monologues could be a bit boring.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like when you have dinner with your parents
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: and you're like, Okay, I want to like get your
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: advice on this, and then you know you're they're also
• 17:07
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• 17:09
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• 17:13
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• 17:14
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: So I feel like I get where he's coming from.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Like with that, but.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: But thank you for giving me the chance. I don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: hate them a lot.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: He loves Keith and Kathy especially even though he will
• 17:25
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• 17:28
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• 17:30
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• 19:13
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• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it's like there's love there.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Like I saw her last night.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, she sat. She came in our hotel
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: where we looked at.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: The like I saw. That was the first time I
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: saw Kathy since since Paradise, and the first thing I
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: said to her it's a trader because the whole time
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I'm saying how much she loved those together home.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Well that's that's the segue here. As we close up
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: with the two of you, it was a very emotional
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: excp for you too. There was a lot of frustration
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I think in both of your faces and confusion. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: would say, tell me if I'm wrong. As you were
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: told that you're leaving Costa Rica and leaving Paradise. Kathy
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and Keith played a big role obviously in that exit.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Why were you so frustrated what was going through your minds?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Did you feel like it was unjust.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was frustration, but like I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: would say, you asked us two hours before the cocktail
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: party started if we were going to go home outside dance,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: and it all happened quickly with like then we realized
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: that like Dale, who you know, we thought had our backs,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: was kind of like going against us because he needs
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: to save himself. And Spencer, who had like pulled me
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: before saying like oh it never voted for us to
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: go home, and like we're all like we're kind of
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: learning that while the cocktail hour is going on. So
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: it was just a sense of like yeah, and we
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: were just like like we were fine.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Obviously, yeah we were fine.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like, yeah, I think it was like
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: confusion mixed with I don't want to say like betrayal,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: but I think you're just caught off guard because it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: like you know that you're gonna have to send friends home.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: That's clear. I think that we just like weren't really
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: thinking it was gonna be us at this time. Like
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I feel like we had done a really good job
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: of like standing up for all of our friends at
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: that moment, and obviously it was between us, and we
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: knew that we weren't going to vote justin Spencer. I
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: think everyone was very clear on that, like, you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: I wanted them to get engaged. So I think that's
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: where it really went into. And then I think when
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: we came to terms with it, we really just spent
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: that time with each other and just realizing like, Okay,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: it's not the end of the road. Yeah, it's the
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: end of five hundred thousand dollars, but I don't know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: we you know, we came to Paradise. We didn't think
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: we were going to find this, and so we left
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: with each other, and I feel like that's what's most important,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: and I think we kept that like the goal with
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: all of it. Obviously, it's still it was hard in
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: that moment to be like okay, like and also I
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: just feel like I personally faced like a lot during
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: my Paradise journey, so I think I was just really
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: thrown off about that. So yeah, I think that was
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: that was really hard. And I think our conversation with
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Keith and Cathy was also very difficult, And like I
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: talked about this with Kathy the reunion today, Like I
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: think she decided that she was voting based on who
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: she thought needed the money the most, or because we
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: didn't say that we wanted to start a family. And
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: so it gets hard because there's moments where you're like
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: you don't want to have to like plead for your
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: life if I feel like that's not really the kind
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: of people that we are. So we're kind of just
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: like you know, if you guys don't see it, then
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: like we just we have to you know, like we
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: have to just step.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Off the break to like our last conversation was with
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Keith Cathy as like cocktail party wrapping up and like
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: we we're not going to be salesmen, Like yeah, knew
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and they knew us as like as a couple, they
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: wanted us to move forward and have a chance.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Was up to the Yeah, and I will say like
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: we didn't feel like totally like Alex Andrew, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: they were there for us, like we we all had
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: a good conversation. So I think I also felt really
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: confident with that too, just being happy that like, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: it's hard, you don't want everyone turning on you. I
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: think that would have been really rough. So I'm glad
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: that those people had our back in that, and I
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: also like, you forget, you forgive, you forget, like it's whatever,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Like we're not mad at them, we get that it
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: was a typical difficult decision and when you kind of
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: like add up adversity, sometimes you're nervous. You don't want
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: to like it's like you're betting in like a weird way,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: but yeah, you're having to bet on who you think
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: is going to like last the most, and everyone's just
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: like throwing it on a different scale. I guess. So, yeah,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: it was hard, but I feel like we left happy
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: and that's all that matters.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the final question for the two of you.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: You've hinted at your relationship today, you did leave the beach,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: You've talked about your time together, talked about your support
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: with each other. For listeners out there, for as much
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: as you want to share as a couple, what can
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: they look forward to?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Where do you see this going?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe answering the question that everybody's asking, like is this
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: the real deal?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I think is what people are asking, and you answer
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it in any way you feel comfortable.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I will say I've said this to her, like privately
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: that I've had a few girlfriends in situations, so this.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Is like never a girlfriend. Yeah, I've I've.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Like truly, like not just saying this, like I've never
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: felt something like this before. And I feel so blessed
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: and like I'm I don't get sick of her. I'm
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: excited to spend every day with her. I don't know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I'm just so happy o game.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I feel like we're both kind of people where we
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: just don't like to do anything that we don't like
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to do, and we love spending time together. We love
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: each other. We're really excited for what's to come at
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the end of this year, you know, hopefully a lot
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: of time in New York and yeah, you know, bringing
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: my dog up if she likes it, and yeah, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: we've really done a good job, like we met each
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: other's families, and I feel like we've had so much
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: fun this summer, going to Portugal, going to Chicago, going
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I've been to New York a ton of times, We've
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: been to LA So I think hopefully some more aligned
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: travels at the Ritz Carlton, maybe not camping, but I
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: do think that I do think that our future is
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: bright and I feel like We're just really happy to
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: spend it together.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And yeah, are you moving in? Did I hear that's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the plan?
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, to go to China and then come back and
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: then see if works and then if you guys, I
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: think the problem is really just me moving all of
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: my clothes up to New York. I have an enormous
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: amount of clothing.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I'm very lucky that I have an apartment in New
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: York that has high ceiling loft so she can actually fit.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I have a closet upstairs, so I have a place
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: to hold everything. I think it's like the actual yea,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: get going through it and then getting it up there.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I think that would be difficult, but I mean, yeah,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: we pretty much live together now, so we spend every
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: moment together.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So that's amazing. Well, good congratulations to the two of you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on, Thank you, thanks for sitting through
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the reunion and answering all the tough questions that were
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: throwing your way. Thanks for answering the questions today. This
• 25:42
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• 25:44
  Speaker 2: we've had Bailey and Jeremy with us.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 25:49
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