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SKILLA BABY ON GETTING SHOT & THE STRUGGLE TO FORGIVE | DETROIT REAL ESTATE, STOCKS & NEW ALBUM · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 1: The most gangster thing you could do is heal. When
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  Speaker 1: that tragic incident happened, you got shot, right? Does that
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  Speaker 1: make you your heart colder or does that make you
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  Speaker 1: angry inside? I was really evil. The hardest thing for
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  Speaker 1: me was let it go. If you gonna make a decision,
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  Speaker 1: sit on it first and weigh your options.
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  Speaker 2: You said, I realized that I was an evil person
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  Speaker 2: and I'm wondering what got you out of that space.
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  Speaker 1: I had to discipline myself and really make my mind stronger.
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  Speaker 1: Before I made my body stronger, I had to really
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  Speaker 1: test my faith. A lot of times people get money
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  Speaker 1: when they're young. They spend all of the money. What
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  Speaker 1: made you say, okay, let me do something a little different.
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  Speaker 1: Let me invest the money. Let me buy real estate.
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  Speaker 1: If all those pills and everything goes bad for me,
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  Speaker 1: rap don't work, if acting don't work, if I don't
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  Speaker 1: make another dollar off entertainment or stuff like that, I
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  Speaker 1: know I have this. Who's giving you the education and
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  Speaker 1: how are you learning about the music business? Don't go
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  Speaker 1: into business thinking that everything's supposed to be 50-50. I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to have more leverage than the person that's countering me.
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  Speaker 2: What's that first moment like when you actually touch real money?
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  Speaker 1: I used to do stuff like I would go to
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  Speaker 1: the bank just to get money out, just to look
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  Speaker 1: at it like, damn, I really got money. Like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a real millionaire. This is really crazy. My biggest test
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  Speaker 1: is going to be when I do get everything I
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  Speaker 1: want and see if I'm still going to keep praying.
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  Speaker 1: All right, y'all, welcome back. Welcome back. Yeah, yeah. Special guest,
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  Speaker 1: Skill of Baby. What's going on, my brother? What up, though? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my guy. How y'all feeling? We good, man.
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  Speaker 2: How you feeling?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, man.
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  Speaker 3: I'm blessed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. Congratulations, man. You got a lot going on
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  Speaker 1: with the project. How does it feel to be able
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  Speaker 1: to put new work out and to, you know, actually
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  Speaker 1: still be here to receive the love from your fans
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  Speaker 1: and create the music?
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  Speaker 3: It feels amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm blessed, man.
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  Speaker 3: I'm blessed beyond measures. I'm excited. I'm nervous.
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  Speaker 1: It's my first real body of work studio album, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm just ready to see how people digest it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited because it's a whole different lane for me. You
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  Speaker 1: say you're nervous. Talk to me about that. What does
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  Speaker 1: that feel like? Like, you ever play sports and, like,
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  Speaker 1: before the game, you just had those butterflies of being
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  Speaker 1: as soon as the tip off, it go away.
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  Speaker 3: It's like one of those type of things.
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  Speaker 1: This is a Hooper.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. For the people who don't know that, tell them
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  Speaker 2: the origin of, like, even how you got the name
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  Speaker 2: because it starts from Hoop.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to. This is how I originally got
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  Speaker 1: my name. Like, my name was Skills because I, I
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  Speaker 1: was in second grade. It was a fifth grade team.
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  Speaker 1: So I really wasn't supposed to be on the team,
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  Speaker 1: but I kept bugging the coach and I was like, coach,
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  Speaker 1: I got skills.
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  Speaker 3: Then we had nickname day.
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  Speaker 1: He gave me that name cause I, cause I told
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  Speaker 1: him I had skills and shit. So then fast forward,
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  Speaker 1: it just, the name followed me throughout my sports life. And, um,
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  Speaker 1: I was at practice one day, football practice and a
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  Speaker 1: girl kept Like, you know how people make fun of
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  Speaker 1: your name. They call me Skittles, all that type of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And the girl was just like, I'm going to call
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  Speaker 1: you Skilla. And got to laughing and playing. And I
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  Speaker 1: just remembered that when I got to high school and
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  Speaker 1: ran with it. So we're going to get into everything,
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  Speaker 1: the album and all that. But you're into politics now?
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  Speaker 1: I see you with the mayor a lot. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say I'm into politics. I'm just, I like to advocate
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  Speaker 1: for things I like that I feel because that's just
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  Speaker 1: how I was raised.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I'm into politics.
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  Speaker 1: I just like to give back to my community and
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  Speaker 1: stand on what I believe in. How'd that introduction happen
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  Speaker 1: with you and the mayor? I was with her head
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  Speaker 1: of neighborhood affairs. So I met him and he was
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  Speaker 1: telling me to get into buying properties and stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: I just got real close with him, Ray Simpson. He's
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  Speaker 1: a Beautiful dude. He's a family guy. He just had
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  Speaker 1: the values that I value. But he got me into
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  Speaker 1: buying properties and new builds and renovations and stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: then I started doing community events with the mayor. Started
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  Speaker 1: building that connection. Occupy the Corners was doing charity basketball games.
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  Speaker 1: giving our shoes to the kids, coats for kids, toy drives.
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  Speaker 1: We done done gun buybacks. We did everything, gave struggling
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  Speaker 1: mothers homes. I done put girls through college, law school.
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  Speaker 1: We just try to do something like that every year,
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  Speaker 1: so a couple times a year. So that's how I
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  Speaker 1: built a connection with her because I felt like she
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  Speaker 1: was the only person that was running for mayor. She
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  Speaker 1: was at, she was the city, um, city council, head
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  Speaker 1: city council. So, um, when she was doing that, I
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  Speaker 1: just connected with her because she was in the community
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  Speaker 1: with us. Like she wasn't just trying to run. She
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  Speaker 1: was doing community events. She's door to door seeing what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. She's in the community. And I felt like
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  Speaker 1: I could, I could stand with somebody like that because
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  Speaker 1: they standing in the fire with us.
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  Speaker 2: That's always been part of nationally who you are. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like we go to Detroit a bunch of times.
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  Speaker 2: Every time we meet new people, it feels like there's
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  Speaker 2: just this connection to community, to the city, that everybody's
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  Speaker 2: doing something. And it all translates to giving back to
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  Speaker 2: the city of Detroit. You were brought up on that
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  Speaker 2: or did you grow into that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was brought up on that. So my dad,
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  Speaker 3: he was born in like 1946.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: He got traditional values.
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  Speaker 1: Old school. Yeah, real old school. So he got like
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  Speaker 1: traditional values. So we would need food and we would
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  Speaker 1: need money and stuff, but we would still be passing
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  Speaker 1: out food at the soup kitchen. So I was always
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  Speaker 1: raised that way. So talk about the real estate. I
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  Speaker 1: asked you that question because the real estate, obviously our
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  Speaker 1: platform is kind of based around business. You invest in
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  Speaker 1: real estate. So how has that been going for you?
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  Speaker 1: It's been going well. Any business venture be up and down,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been going well for the most part. I've
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  Speaker 1: been getting 1,000% returns. But it just takes time. That's crazy. 1,000%
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. Buy and flip? You buy and sell it?
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  Speaker 1: Buy and flip. I'd have had renters, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really work for me. The renters?
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  Speaker 3: It's so many rules behind it.
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  Speaker 1: When somebody is behind on your rent, you can't just
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  Speaker 1: kick them out or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: And you got to go to court for that. You
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  Speaker 3: got to have notices.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'd rather just renovate and sell my properties
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  Speaker 1: or I'd rather just hang on to them because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like if I have enough of them, I can
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  Speaker 1: cash in later.
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  Speaker 3: That's just my plan. But, um, I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: I sold my first house last year.
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  Speaker 1: Um, It was really my, I sold my childhood home
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  Speaker 1: for real. You grew up there. Yeah. And this is
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  Speaker 1: why I say it'd be up and down because my
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  Speaker 1: mom wouldn't let me buy it at first. And she
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  Speaker 1: didn't own it, but they wouldn't let me buy it.
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  Speaker 1: At first, she wanted to sell it to me for $ 40, 000. No,
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  Speaker 1: I ended up buying it for like $ 100, 000. Then I
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  Speaker 1: sold it for like $ 120, 000. But I could have got
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  Speaker 1: super return on my investment if I would have bought
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  Speaker 1: it earlier if she would have let me but that's
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  Speaker 1: neither here nor there that's just I'm telling you some
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  Speaker 1: of the downs of it but the ups of it
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  Speaker 1: I had a whole block where I had like three
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  Speaker 1: four houses on it and I bought those houses for
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  Speaker 1: like 20,000 a piece um.
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  Speaker 3: Putting nothing into it they're they're worth like 150 all
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  Speaker 3: together if I.
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  Speaker 1: Put $ 40, 000, $ 50, 000 to each house. They're $ 300, 000, $ 400, 000 houses.
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  Speaker 1: So I get all that like a crazy return on
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  Speaker 1: my investment.
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  Speaker 2: These homes are predominantly in Detroit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. These are Detroit-based homes. These are not in the
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  Speaker 1: suburbs or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because we actually went on like a whole city
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  Speaker 2: tour and then we went to the suburbs and we
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  Speaker 2: tried to figure out Detroit real estate. And we were
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  Speaker 2: seeing things like that. There's just so much availability, so
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  Speaker 2: much land. And then you can see what's happening downtown.
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  Speaker 2: So it feels like that momentum is building up in
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  Speaker 2: the city. How was it from your perspective? Are you
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  Speaker 2: buying these, understanding what's happening from the landscape of all
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  Speaker 2: the construction that's happening in the city?
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  Speaker 1: You got to follow the trends, the comps, the comps
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, where they're gentrifying it at, everything. So
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people be wondering when I say my
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  Speaker 1: homes would be worth three, 400,000. They don't understand that
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  Speaker 1: where I bought them at, I was already five years
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  Speaker 1: or two or three or four years in the know
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  Speaker 1: of what was going on over there. So they're, they're
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  Speaker 1: extending a hospital over there. Plus they're building the Lions
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  Speaker 1: practice facility over there. So I, I was in the
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  Speaker 1: know about that. So that's why I, those houses over
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  Speaker 1: there is worth so much.
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  Speaker 3: But when Ray.
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  Speaker 1: Was telling me to buy these houses, he was breaking
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  Speaker 1: all of this down and nobody else understood it or
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  Speaker 1: nobody else could see the future, but I could.
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  Speaker 3: But he was telling a lot of people to do
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  Speaker 3: it and they wouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: But I bought in because I had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: money and I just, I wanted to see what I
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  Speaker 1: could do with it.
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  Speaker 3: And it just, it worked out in my benefit.
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  Speaker 1: What gave you the mindset? A lot of times people
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  Speaker 1: get money when they're young They speak. all of the money, right? They,
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  Speaker 1: you know, cars and, you know, lavish things, jewelry, stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. What made you say, okay, let me do
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  Speaker 1: something a little different. Let me invest the money. Let
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  Speaker 1: me buy real estate. Like who put that, that seed
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  Speaker 1: in you? Or was that like just always something that
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  Speaker 1: you just thought about? I watched people blow money and
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  Speaker 1: I watched people make money. And some of the people
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  Speaker 1: that I watched make money and was smartest with their money.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't, they weren't completely legal. So they would buy
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  Speaker 1: homes and that will always be there for them, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And that was really my, just in case, like if
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  Speaker 1: all those fields, if everything goes wrong, this, I got this, like,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: This is here for me.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Because also I'm young and I done made
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  Speaker 1: foolish decisions financially. They didn't teach me financial literacy growing
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  Speaker 1: up either. So I had things that I didn't do
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  Speaker 1: the right way or smart decisions that I didn't make too.
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  Speaker 1: So this was just my contingency plan. And I happened
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  Speaker 1: to like it, but it worked out for me. But
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  Speaker 1: this was always just like, okay, if all those feels
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  Speaker 1: and everything goes bad for me, rap don't work, if
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  Speaker 1: acting don't work, if I don't make another dollar off
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  Speaker 1: entertainment or stuff like that, I know I have this.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe it's my plan Z, but it's there. It'll
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  Speaker 1: be there, land not never going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: That's a fact.
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  Speaker 2: That's a fact. It's very intelligent, right? You're thinking about
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  Speaker 2: the insurance plan in a sense, right? Like if this
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work, but it does work, Right, and the music itself.
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  Speaker 2: I want to, because you're doing this at such a
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  Speaker 2: young age, what's that first moment like when you actually
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  Speaker 2: touch real money? Like most people can't understand it. Like
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  Speaker 2: the average millionaire gets to that point by 36, 37, right?
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  Speaker 2: But you're young and you're getting money. What's this first
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  Speaker 2: moment like for you?
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  Speaker 1: The first moment was just like every other young guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like I had a million dollars in a box one
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  Speaker 1: time and I used to count it every day. Cash? Yeah, cash.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta, gotta careful.
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  Speaker 3: Paranoid, but it, but happy, everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I know I didn't let nobody come nowhere near
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  Speaker 1: where it was at. Like nobody would come over there,
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  Speaker 1: but it would, it would be in this box and
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  Speaker 1: I just make sure it's there every day, even though
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  Speaker 1: I knew it was there. Like, and it was just
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  Speaker 1: only because I never experienced this. I've never experienced this.
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  Speaker 1: So when I'm seeing it, it's like, And I used
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  Speaker 1: to do stuff like I would go to the bank
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  Speaker 1: just to get money out, just to look at it like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: I really got money. And I'd be like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a real millionaire. I'd be like, this is really
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  Speaker 1: crazy because nobody in my family hadn't seen nothing over $.
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  Speaker 3: 10, 000.
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  Speaker 1: So $ 100, 000.
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  Speaker 3: Was rich to me.
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  Speaker 1: So when I was blessed enough to break that ceiling,
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  Speaker 1: that feeling was... crazy because you gotta think i'm 23
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  Speaker 1: 24 years old at the time man i'm thriving but
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that was off about it was i'm
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  Speaker 1: the only one you know so i really don't complain
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  Speaker 1: about everything falling on my back because i want that
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  Speaker 1: responsibility i'd rather be the person that People can depend on,
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  Speaker 1: they're not depend on. It's just not fun because not
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  Speaker 1: the people depending on your part. It's the sad faces
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  Speaker 1: because they have to depend on you, you know? And
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  Speaker 1: everybody feels like they deserve what you got, you know?
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  Speaker 1: But that comes with the territory. I understand that too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So just a quick follow up. What I'm hearing
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  Speaker 2: is like that survivor's guilt. That remorse, that guilt, the
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  Speaker 2: fact that I did it, I want them to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they will, but I'll help them
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  Speaker 2: as long as I can. How do you deal with
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  Speaker 2: that in the early stages of success?
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  Speaker 3: It's hard. Different people deal with it in different ways because.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I really had to cycle through my family
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  Speaker 1: and friends.
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  Speaker 3: And I got a lot of flack for this from them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't help people because they want something. I help
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  Speaker 1: them because they need something. Some of my family members
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  Speaker 1: used to wonder why I give this family member more
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  Speaker 1: money than them, but they needed that. You might have
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  Speaker 1: enough to get over, and I'll bless you on Christmas
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  Speaker 1: and certain days, but this person needs a place to stay.
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  Speaker 1: So if I gave them $ 8, 000 and I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: no money back from them You're wondering why. You're just
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  Speaker 1: looking at the 8,000. You're not looking at them sleeping
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  Speaker 1: in that car. You're not looking at them, all the
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  Speaker 1: calls that they call me because I'm never going to
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  Speaker 1: tell somebody I helped somebody.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the times, these things happen because somebody wanted
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  Speaker 1: to brag about me helping them. And that always bit
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  Speaker 1: me in the ass more than them because now people
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: looking at me like, why you do that for them?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't want to tell their situation, you know?
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  Speaker 1: situation might not have been true or not. Like I'm
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: not a person that if you ask me for something,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you what you're doing with it.
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  Speaker 1: If you tell me that you homeless and you need
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  Speaker 1: a house, I'll give you the money for the house.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't, if you do or don't get your house,
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  Speaker 1: that's on you. That's the best way to go about it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: That's the, that's the real charity right there. Like talk
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  Speaker 1: about Detroit, the city of Detroit. Cause, um, Detroit is
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: an interesting place, man. I feel like every time I
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: go to Detroit, it's one of these places where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's like real old school, like just super solid, good energy,
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  Speaker 1: good vibes, but it had a bad reputation for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. And I feel like your generation is actually
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: bringing a new energy to Detroit. With all of the rappers,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of energy. Even from the athletic standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a new wave of energy that's coming into Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: And I think people are starting to look at Detroit
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  Speaker 1: from a different landscape. Because a lot of people had
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: never been to Detroit. They just was hearing, it's like Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people had never actually ever been to Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: They were just seeing what they saw on the news.
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  Speaker 1: And it was painting such a bad picture that that's
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that they thought about. But when you
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: go there, you see, oh, Chicago is beautiful. Same thing
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  Speaker 1: with Detroit. So what's your thoughts on the city of
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  Speaker 1: Detroit and like your generation kind of like redefining Detroit
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  Speaker 1: to the world? Detroit is a beautiful place. Beautiful people.
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  Speaker 1: Most Detroiters' family members come from down south. So we
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of down south values. We know how
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: to cook. We love good food. We love family reunions,
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. We love our people. We hold our
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  Speaker 1: people near and dear to our heart. We come off
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit cold sometimes, but that's just the nature
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  Speaker 1: of the city. But we're inviting. People don't understand that
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we're inviting because people don't go. Mm-hmm. Um, I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: that we got a little light shed on this because
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: we are, Detroit's a beautiful city for sure. And a
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: lot of people, good people come from Detroit. Um, you
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: gotta think like Michael Jackson came through Detroit. Anita Baker
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: came through Detroit. Eminem's, uh, representation of Detroit.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Barry Sanders still lives in Detroit.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Motown. Yeah, like Motown and all those artists. So I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: think we had a bad rep only because of numbers.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: And I had this conversation with one of my managers
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the other day. Cali's such a big place that more
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: stuff will happen in Cali, but the numbers don't reflect
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: it because they're going off base how many people and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: how many murders or how many violence. So if we
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: have a hundred people and 80 people, something happened to them.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It's different. If you have a thousand people in 80 people,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: something happened to 80 people. So they're not saying, man,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: this was 80 murders in Kelly and 80 murders in Detroit.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: They're going off. Oh, this is an 80% murder rate.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Instead of 8% murder rate.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So it's different. Like, At Cali, they got a thousand people.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: It's 80 murders. That's 8%. If it's 80 murders in Detroit,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it's 100 people. So it's an 80% murder rate. So
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that's the numbers they put out. But they're not saying
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: like only 80 people down here, 80 people down here.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful place. Nobody in Detroit just going around
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: doing stuff to people just for no reason. I'm not
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: saying it's a valid, great reason, because violence is never
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: an answer. I want to stop and say this on camera.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Violence is never an answer. I don't want kids to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: get hurt. I don't want adults to get hurt. I
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: want everybody to stay peaceful, love God, and love yourself,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and have good intentions. But Detroit is a beautiful place,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and we're from urban situations, the ghetto, And we know
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: what that breeze, when everybody has nothing and everybody wants something,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and you put everybody, you put one thing in a cage,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you want a plate of food in a cage with
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: 20 people, only one person's getting that food, you know?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So that's the situation we're born in, and it's unfortunate
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: they don't teach us. financial literacy they don't they don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: really teach us values that we need they're not teaching
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: us like ethical values that's not what They're teaching us
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: in our community. And it's a lot that happened too
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: because it was a motor city, right? So it's like
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: when a lot of those jobs start to get less,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: that hurts the economy. And that's the whole Midwest, right?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Like Flint, Michigan. And so it's a trickle-down effect on,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: like you said, the economics of it that when people
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: don't have job opportunities, now you resort to different things.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Then you got to think that it was a point
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: where the government had to bail us out. the big
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: three auto plants is detroit so if the government had
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to bail us out imagine how many jobs were lost
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: imagine how many people from detroit don't get jobs because
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: more people are um they they qualify for those jobs
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that we have some more people that's qualified to go
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that go to school for automotive engineering.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: And stuff like that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So those people come from Alabama, Cali, New York, down
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the street, and they had the money to go to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: school to do this. So they're going to get those
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: jobs because they're qualified to do that. Or you're grandfathered in,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: but everybody's not grandfathered in to those jobs and get
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: recommendations and stuff. You know what we learned about Detroit
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I never knew before? Because we always know New Orleans
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is like French quarter and all that. We went to Canada, Montreal,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and they was telling us Detroit is actually, was a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: French colony at one point.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Détroit.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Détroit.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And it's like St. Louis, like St. Louis. And also
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, that was an interesting history lesson that I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: personally didn't know that. Détroit. Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because like we grew up not knowing those
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: things in school. So a lot of things we did
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: learn was from our environment and from music. And so
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: our era, late 80s, early 90s, the music definitely had
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: an influence on us. You come from a different era, right?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So I'm wondering, M is early, Sean is there, but
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you guys have a renaissance of artists that are here now.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: What was the influence for you as you're trying to
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: create music, as you realize that music is going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: be something that I can do?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I was more influenced by Motown artists because my dad
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: was born in 1946, so. I would hear new stuff,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: but it would be newer, like Tupac or some Lil
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Wayne stuff. Like, I'm influenced by my favorite artist, Anita Baker.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I like Luther Vandross. Um, I listen to the Gap Band, um, Earth,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Wind & Fire, Isley Brothers.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: If I was rap influences, Meek.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Mill, Lil Wayne, um, Jay-Z had influence on me, um,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: 50 Cent, um, Those type of artists. DMX had a
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: lot of influence. Jeezy?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Jeezy.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: He's like the number one influence for Detroit. Doug Motivation
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: 101 is like, we hold that near and dear to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: our heart.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: He could perform that every day in Detroit.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So that makes sense then. That makes sense. So a
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: lot of your music is geared towards the ladies.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's why.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Because I grew up hearing people yearning and stuff like that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: You need to get back to that, though. Ain't nobody
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: making music that can translate that expression to women. We
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: was in a car yesterday and Blackstreet came on. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, you hear how he's talking about don't leave? Like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it's a real emotion that don't exist. So, like, that's
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the era that's influencing the sound.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get back to that on my album
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to where it's like, music needed to get back to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: where we making it from a point of love. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: think everybody starting their music with hatred right now. Like
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: if you listen to everything, it starts with hate. When
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: music was originally started with love, you know, like you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: had some songs where it was like, it came from
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: a point of hatred, but it was like real pent
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: up emotion that were real feelings. It wasn't, I think
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the cool thing, coolest thing people, do right now what
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: people deem as cool is have an op. If you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: don't got an op, it's like you're not a cool person.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I want everybody to live for real. I don't really
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: wake up and be like, I want to do this
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: or that to a person because I really don't.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I really want to live. I really want to spend
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: my money.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I really want to get on boats, travel, have podcasts
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like this where we're having teachable moments. People really don't
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: understand this too, the value of life. I don't think
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: young kids understand if everybody leave, bro, you're going to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: be depressed. Kill everybody, you're going to be one depressed
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: individual who have nobody to talk to.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: You'll be so lonely.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And that's not, I think people don't understand that the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: real goal in life is to be happy. And whatever
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that is to you, Happiness, that's the only thing I'm chasing.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be mad every day. I want
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to be happy for sure. So, you know, being obviously
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: God-fearing man and such a positive person, you know, a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: breath of fresh air when it comes to the music industry.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Do you have any level of like bitterness or anger?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Like when that tragic incident happened, you got shot, right?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Does that make your heart colder or does that make
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you angry inside to be like, damn, I'm a positive person. Like,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't deserve this. Or like, is that something that
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you just say, that's out of my control?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Honestly, it made me bitter. It made me evil.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I had to really, that was my hardest fight. Like,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: as men, I said this on a couple other podcasts too,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: our pride is like everything to us. So, people don't
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: really understand by me letting something slide or me taking
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a step back and not really doing the easy thing
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to do, which is to harm a person or do
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: something crazy. And I'm not saying I'm, I'm not saying
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that I haven't been this type of person before. Like,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: because I'm not perfect. I've done, I made mistakes and stuff.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But as a maturing man, and this album really helped
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: me with that, the hardest thing for me was let
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: it go. Like that's, people don't understand, like I think
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: only real grown men will understand this. This not gonna
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: make me look cool at all. So, I just want,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be the person that, Let younger people
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: know that the hardest thing to do, like the most
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: gangster thing you could do is heal, like live, avoid situations.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: That's the most hard thing I had to do. I
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: had to really, with my two managers, I'd be on
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the phone. They'd watch me go through this. I had
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a real evil stint to where like, I was really
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: evil and I had to hide myself in the house.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Cause a lot of people would have caught that short
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: end of the stick. Like a lot of people would
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: have caught that. Like, and people don't understand. Like, it's
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: so easy for me to, I have money, I have
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: resources and I'm a, I'm, I'm not a gangster no more. Like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but I can go there. Like, I understand myself, I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: can go there. So the hardest thing for me to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: do was let that hurt go.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you titled the project The Price of Fame.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Interesting title. I wonder, is it a cautionary tale? Because
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: you talked about having the money and feeling paranoid. Or
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: is it an educational project where it's like, look, this
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: is what comes with it?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. The Price of Fame is really... I wanted to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: be broad to where you can have your own cost
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to what success cost you. My price and your price
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: might be different. I wanted to feel relatable to the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: average man, average woman and their struggles because people don't
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: really talk about normal people no more. It might have
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: cost me time partying. I don't do drugs.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I don't drink.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: A lot of stuff I want to do, I just
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: don't do because my whole life is dedicated to success.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: You might have cost time with your kids. You might
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: have had to travel for work. I want to be
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: home in Detroit. Regardless of everything that be going on,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I like home. I love it. But I know I'm
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: bigger than that and it's not healthy or conducive to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: my situations so that's like a cost like.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Happiness um.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It's just all the sacrifices that you put in to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: take care of your family or doing what you love
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: or being successful. That's, that's what the price of fame is.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And fame is just a word to replace success. Like
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it just sounded better saying fame, but fame is a,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: is like a, but a synonym for success.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: And when it comes to.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: My project, like all the sacrifices and, the price it costs,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: price you pay to be successful at what you do,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: because nobody want to work for 20 years straight, but
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: everybody got to take care of their family and everybody
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: has these responsibilities that they have to do. I want
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to talk about the music, but I just want to go,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: because what you said was insightful as far as, Waldo
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: has a TED Talk where he talked about he forgave
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the person that killed his brother. And he was like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: if he didn't, his life wouldn't be where it is now.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And Forgiving doesn't mean that you just forget about something,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: but it's like King Vaughn's last interview, actually, ironically enough,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I think it was with Killian Wallow. And he was
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: saying like, you know, the eye for an eye and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I kill you and you kill me. And then before
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you know it, everybody's dead. And he was like, somebody
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: got to be the person to break that cycle. Cause
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: if not, then it's a, it's a never ending cycle.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: race to the bottom where everybody's going to end up
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: killing each other and nobody's going to win so it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like how do you communicate like that message to maybe
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to like young people or like like being that you
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: went through it right like what would be your message
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to somebody that has something done to them or has
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: something done to their family member and it's like look
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you can do this path if you want to but
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: nine times out of ten you're gonna end up getting
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: killed you're going to jail So who really is winning
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: in this situation, right? Everybody, now your mom is mad.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Like everybody's just a losing, losing, losing, losing. So how
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: do you relay what you just said to somebody else
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that may have gone through trauma? I think the coolest
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: way to talk to kids and like the only way
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to get through to younger generation is not to lie
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to them. I think as parents, as older people, people
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: as um chaperones as mentors people be trying to be
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: too politically correct and had a correct answer which my
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: correct answer might not be another person's correct answer but
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: i could tell them my experiences and the options you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: know so i can't really say like and lie to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a kid and be like, I forgive this person or
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I forgot this because I'm working on it. I can
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: say I'm working on it. And, like, even as a parent,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell my kids, like, don't do that because
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I would give them the options.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Like, you can do this, but this is what's probably
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: going to happen if you don't do it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Because....
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: When it come to kids, and I know this because
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I was a kid before. We all been kids before. Nobody,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: kids don't like authority. So I think the best way
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to teach a kid is to guide them somewhere and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: don't let them bump their head on the big tree.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: But if it's a little branch, listen, bro, I'm telling
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you that branch there, bro. If you want to bump
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: your head, I'm not letting you do nothing crazy, go
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to jail or nothing. But if you want to bump
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: your head and get scratched up, bro, I'm telling you,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to get a scratch. Because I know when
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you get that little scratch, you're going to come back
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and be like, Pops, you told me I was getting
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that scratch. And it hurt.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: And I'm not giving you a Band-Aid because I told you.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Now, if you got a stab wound, we're going to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the doctor. But if you got that scratch, bro, listen, bro,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you better do what we did and lick the wound,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: lick your thumb, wipe it off and go play. Because
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's the most healthiest way to tell the kids, like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I can't lie to a kid and be like, yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I forgive this person or I forgot that. I can't.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But I can say, listen, this is how I talk
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to God every day.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to take baby steps.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I set reminders to talk to God to make sure
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: When I do get these thoughts, I talk to God first,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you know? So if I did it, I understand I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: had this conversation and I thought about it. I think
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the biggest way to tell the younger generation is if
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you're going to make a decision, sit on it first
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and weigh your options. I think we're so quick to
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: respond and react. as a community, especially like as a
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: black community, we're reactionary. And that's the, that's, that's, that's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: what harmed us most because we're so reactionary that we
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: don't weigh our options. We don't weigh our options. Like
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Pastor Warren Campbell told me, you might not be wrong.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: You might not be fighting right and wrong. And I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: say this a lot because that stuck with me when
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: he said it to me, you might be fighting right.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: And what's wise. You might be right to go do that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: But are you willing.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: To sit in prison for 20 years? You might be
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: right to go do that. But are you willing to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: lose this person in your life forever? You might be right.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: To go do that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: But does it... Is that your values? Somebody steal from
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you or somebody hit you and... You go do something.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Is that really your values? If it is your values,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I understand you. It's not my values, but if it
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: is your values. Right for as well. You know what
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Yeah. Is your values to stay away from
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: your family for 20, 30 years? Because guess what? You
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: was the patriarch. So that's why a lot of my stuff,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I had to sit on it because I take care
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: of my whole family. So of course, I want to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: be a gangster and do all the gangster stuff, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: am I willing to go sit down? Yes, but is
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that conducive to my family? Like, can my family live
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: they same lifestyle without me?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: No, so it's, I can't.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Those are prophetic words right there. I want to talk
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: about the self-reflection part because you kind of alluded to
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: it earlier. You said, I realized that I was an
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: evil person and I'm wondering from that standpoint, What got
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: you out of that space? Is that the moment where
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you turned to faith and became even more devoted in
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that space of your life? Or was there somebody that
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: was in your corner that was like, we don't want
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: to see you like this. We got to get you
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: out of this. Or was it something, you know, therapeutic?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Was it music? Like, how did you get out of
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: that moment in time?
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: My album helped me doing that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: But more than my album, I started going to the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: gym and set my timer to pray. And I, from like,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I had got shot in May. I had, um, I got,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I got surgery in June, started healing up. I started
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: getting a gym. I got in a gym, like my
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: body was, was, was messed up. So I started getting
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: a gym at like, in like November from November 1st
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to January 30th. I went on this fast, no sugar,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: no bread, no sex. Um, No sugar, no bread, no sex,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and no potatoes. And that really helped me stay disciplined.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: That was my first discipline test. I had to discipline
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: myself and really make my mind stronger before I made
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: my body stronger. I had to really test my faith,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: see how much I would pray and how much if
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I would keep working out. And I ultimately passed that test.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that wasn't even my biggest test. My
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: biggest test is going to be when I do get
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: everything I want and see if I'm still going to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: keep praying. I still pray two, three times a day
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: when I have everything I want and everything I need.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm just being honest with myself because it's a
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: hard task. It's not, it sounds easy. Like, man, just
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: go pray. But, When you hit your knees when times
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: was good, it's way different from when you hit your
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: knees when times was bad. When you don't need nothing.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: When you don't want for nothing. Are you still going
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to thank God for grace, forgiveness? Are you still going
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to ask God to walk with you through the good
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: times just like he walked with you through the bad times? Like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: people forget about that. Like, you got to stay prayed
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: up regardless of your situation. That's my biggest test, I think, coming.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just preparing myself for that season because I feel
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: like right now I'm in a season of shedding all
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the old dead weight, all the old skin, all the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: bad stuff off me. When all my skin looks clear
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and the coast is clear, am I still going to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: walk with God? Am I still going to stay prayed up?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Am I still, am I going to cut my timers off?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: That's my test that I think I'm, I'm preparing for
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Are you, are you seeing that influence around the people
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that you're with? Right. Like, is your crew now saying like, oh,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: we're on that too. Right. Like, Are you starting to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: see that? Or is it solely just you at this point?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And maybe people are starting to see, like, we need
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to have that discipline, right? Because I would feel that
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: you're the leader, right? Because in the family, you're the leader.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: They start to take on characteristics that you have. Is
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: that happening for you?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I ain't with all older guys.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So we like, I understand that a great leader follows too.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So we all take values from each other. Um, we
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: hold each other accountable. When I got my weight vest,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: my manager wine over there, got his weight vest. He
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: started fast and he started eating better. My manager rocket.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: We did it together. We fast and eating together, praying. We, um,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: we switched our whole diet. So we are, we are
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: taking accountability.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: For each other.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And this is why I'm motivated to keep doing it. And, um,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Just like when I was talking about my mental health
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: struggles and my journey with God and my faith journey,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: so many people was DMing me saying they don't even
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: know I'm seeing their messages, how they're turning on their
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: timers to pray or they're sending me passages from the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Bible or just what I said helped them with their struggles.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I don't really broadcast it or post none of them
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: because that's their struggles and that's their story. I just
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: want them to know, like if they listen to this podcast,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: keep sending them because I see them and some I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: do respond to. I had a girl tell me her
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: whole story the other day and I just listened. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: think people don't understand the value of listening and not
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: responding and just letting people know they heard and being seen.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Talk about music, the music business. how are you learning
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the music business as far as coming in, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: learning about, you know, royalties and learning about show money
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and learning about how to pay taxes. Like who's giving
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you the education and how are you learning about the
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: music business? Um, I learned as I go, I asked
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions. Um, I bumped my head a
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: few times and I think that was the best, um,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: lesson was bumping my head. Um, And I just take
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: my time. Before I do anything, I study it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: People don't understand.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That business is about leverage. So don't go into business
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: thinking that everything is supposed to be 50-50.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: That's not that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to have more leverage than the person that's
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: countering me. So if I'm dealing with a label, I'm
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: trying to go have more leverage than than them and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: if I'm dealing with anybody I want to have more
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: leverage than them because now I have room to negotiate
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: because anything contractual is final you know until you fulfill
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: that obligation of that contract and I think people need
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to understand that about business business never changes business is
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: business And I think people go into a business with
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: emotions and thinking everybody friends. Even your friend when his
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: business is business. Like, I don't go into business with love.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I just not. I don't have no emotion.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I don't go into it with hate either. But I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: don't have no emotion when it comes to business because
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: my business is final. If I tell you I'm going
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to do something for you and I'm going to give
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you 80% of the proceeds and that's contractual, I'm going
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to do that. And I'm going to stand on it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And when you start getting rich, I'm going to stand
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: with you too. I'm going to give you 80% until
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I fulfill my obligations. That's my business ethics. That's what
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I stand on. But when it comes time for you
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: to give me 80% in this contract, I expect that too.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to take my losses with my wins.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: That's just how business works. I done lost stuff in business.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I done won in business. So I understand that's how
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: business goes.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Did you always have that mindset or did you get
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: to that point? I hear a lot of people, especially artists,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: they love making the music. They hate the business side
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: of it. I mean, you said you have no emotions.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Did you get forced into that point or that's always
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: been the mindset since you stepped in the game?
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: It was like that since I stepped in because I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: watched other people go through it. And I love doing business.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I love my losses just as much as I love
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: my wins because I'm a person that's never getting too
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: high or too low because I know it's coming. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: know a loss coming. Also, I know after this loss,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the only way is up. After I go down, I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: know I'm going back up. So I ain't really tripping.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Like I done took losses and nobody knew it. Like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: like even beyond music, like I done really lost three watches,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Richard Millie's. Nobody never knew. Like they could, they know
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: because they not on my wrist, but, they don't know
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: how I lost them. I didn't get robbed from them
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: or anything. It was just like, I lost my watches.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And my first one. Just misplaced them? Yeah. My first one, like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it got, no, the first one, so Richard Milley's like, they,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: they rubber band. So my first one, I, I was
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: at a, a fight and a bunch of people crowded
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: around me and, and it got like, got off my wrist, boom.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Like, They bump you. They do like a pickpocket thing.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I've seen something like that before.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Boom. So that one, I had no insurance. My second one,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I lost in my homeboy pants at a hotel. He
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: let the lady wash his pants and my watch came up.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: But I had that insurance.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that to like, I done took
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: losses and I learned from him. Like my first watch,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I wasn't insured. It was $ 200, 000 loss. My second watch,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: that cut me a check for it. So it was like,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and I lost jewelry and other stuff in between there.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I understand what comes with the territory.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I don't hold this much value to these objects.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: You invest in the market? The stock market?
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Nope, I've never done that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I'm listening to your mindset and I'm like, he would
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: be a great investor.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I like try, look, I try to invest in Bitcoin, right?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: This is why I don't be doing like stock markets and,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and crypto because I invested in Bitcoin and I invested in,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: it's another one. Ethereum? Nope, it's like an Asian name.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I forgot what it's called.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Solana? No, I started with something else. I got the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: thing on my phone, but it's another one.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I invested in it and I let my.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Money sit in there and it was sitting in there
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't doing nothing. I was like, man, I'm
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: going to go do something else with my money. As
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: soon as I took it out, it went up. I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, bro, this is not my thing. I
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: ain't patient enough. Okay.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: When you talk about the components of not looking at
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: these things as losses, understanding that, hey, we've hit a
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: certain part, or we've hit a metric and the only
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: way is up. That's how we looking at charts, right?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Like I'm looking at it like, all right, we hit
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: a moving average here. The next way has to be up, right?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Even if we fall back, how much further are we
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: going to go? How are we going to learn if
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: we do this and we, you know what I mean?
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: So when you saying these things, I'm like, yo, damn,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: if we just use that same strategy inside of the market,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: obviously we got to have discipline. That part is key,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: but those are some of those characteristics of somebody who's
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: going to be a great investor.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why you would be because you have discipline.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: And you have it, right?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: You already have discipline in your life. So that's the key.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Like he said, that's the key to the stock market. People,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you ever hear it's like, buy low, sell high. You
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: heard that before. Most people in the stock market, they
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: do the exact opposite. They buy high and sell low.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Because it's like, let's say Bitcoin, right? They've been hearing
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: about Bitcoin forever. Everybody's talking about it. The barbershop is
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: talking about it. They keep putting it off. They keep
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: putting it off. And then Bitcoin goes to 120,000. And
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: then it's like, damn, it's going to go to a million.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I got to get in now. Then they put their
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: money into Bitcoin, 120,000. Then what happens right when they
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: put their money in?
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: It drops.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: It drops to 70. It drops to 70. Then it
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: goes to 60. So now you're thinking like, damn, I
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: lost 50% of my money in four months. This is crazy.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: It's definitely 100% going to go to zero. I don't
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: want to lose everything. Let me just take my money out.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And then as soon as you take your money out,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: It goes up. Like, you know what I'm saying? So
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: that's why more people buy at the top and they
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: sell at the low instead of doing the opposite. But
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that comes down to the discipline. But like over the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: long run, because obviously you're a very intelligent person. the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: stock market, I think that that's something that you should
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: probably get into because you like real estate already. So
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: you understand properties appreciate and the stocks, you know, all
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: of these companies, Apple, Microsoft, Google, they're not going anywhere.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: So it's like, if we could become owners in those companies,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: that's just long-term success. That's the contingency plan. That's the contingency.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I think it was taught to me wrong.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Somebody just told me, man, put your money in this.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: It's going up. Y'all explain it when you're seeing the
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: metrics of it and you're seeing like, all right, you're
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: explaining this like buy low and sell high. They're not
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: really explaining that. They're just like, I did this, you know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: they're not explaining.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Like the whole process. Right.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: See, everything has a process. People like, see, we as
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a community, we take the elevator up so you land
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: on the top floor. People don't talk about the steps
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: like they didn't tell you they took the steps. They
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: put you on the elevator. They ain't telling you like
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: they walk this step, step by step and went to
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the top.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: The market is looking for that person that says they
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: don't even know why they did it. They just did it.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: They made money. Because chances are they're going to be
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: thinking that that's the strategy to continue to make money.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: And in the market, like the whales, like these big
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: institutional companies, they'll wait for it to get to a high.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: They'll take profit. You never know what takes profit until
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: it falls. And they know that if you see it
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: go from 100 to 70, most likely you're going to
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: be like, I'm never doing this again. Let me just
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: take my 70. When you take it, they've already made
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: money up to the 100. They're going to put money
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: back in at 70. It's going to go up to 150.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying? Like that, those are the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: ebbs and flows of it. Just over the course of
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: time though. We, we so short minded that we think
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: immediate gratification. I got to turn my a hundred into
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: a thousand and I have to do it within two months,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: but you've haven't had money for your whole life. Why
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: you got to do it in a month? You know
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: what I mean? We just, it's the, it's the mindset shift,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: but the education part is important. Understanding why you're doing it.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Not because somebody told you it changes the game for you.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I was, um, talking to some guys in Arizona. There
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: was some business owners and they was, like, inviting me
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: into their, they had, like, an investment group. But I
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: didn't really do it because I don't understand it. They
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: invest in companies right before they go public.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: That's... Yeah, they was... Startup, like, startup companies.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: The IPO game.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: That's where the real money is really, it's risky. Because
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: it's like, by the time it goes to the stock market,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: people had already made 1,000, 10,000% of their money, right?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: It's like if you could invest in Meta when Mark
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Zuckerberg first started the company, right? That's how they're making
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of dollars. But it's like baseball. I
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: see you got the MLB hat.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Slow.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the thing with baseball. All you got to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: do is hit three out of ten. You're an all-star.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: that's not really a good percentage in life. 30% success
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: rate in most life is 30% is not good. But
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: in baseball, it's like they're in their hall of fame, right?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: So that's what they did. They just try to hit
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: like one. If they can get 10, they can get one.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And if they get that one, that one will make
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: up for the nine losses.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I tell people this, right? When they don't invest in
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the market, I say, think about the wealthiest people in
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: the world, right? Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk, Larry Ellison, they all
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: have the same thing in common. They got a company,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: they own shares of the company and it's publicly traded.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: The more the value of that company goes, the stock
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: goes up, their value goes up. So like when Elon
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: has SpaceX IPO and he owns a large percent of
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: those shares and he has Tesla already, now he's the
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: first trillionaire, right? But we don't, we're not thinking, like
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: that's how they're building wealth, right? They're creating companies, those
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: companies are going public. They have companies that have moats
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: and they have competitive advantages. And they have a brand
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: loyalty inside of it and people invest in it. And
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: that's the way, like, we got to get to that point, right?
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: We see wealth in our community, entertainment, sports, but somebody's
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: paying those people. You know what I mean? The mindset shifts.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: So like when they put you in these races, it's like, okay,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: they're not explaining it to you, but they might not
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: be explaining to you because they don't want you to
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: be a part of it. But that gives you the
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: challenge to go educate yourself. Like that's the next piece.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: But what you said, that was intelligent though. Never invest
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: in anything you don't understand. Exactly. That's how people lose
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: money all the time. They just, because then it becomes gambling, right?
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: When you don't fully understand something, then you're just doing
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: it because you think you can make money. And thinking
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that you're going to make money usually does not, that
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: usually means you're going to lose all your money. When
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: you think you're going to make money, you got to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: know you're going to make money. That's the difference. Like,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: so you did the right thing. But, you know, I'm
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: sure you'll have a lot of opportunities throughout your career.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about acting. 50 Cent. He's become like
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: a mentor to you, right? Yeah. How has your relationship
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: with 50 Cent developed? My guy TV, he from New York,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: he introduced me to 50 TV.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: My guy, I rock with TV.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: After I met 50 through TV, I had seen 50
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl when it was in Vegas. Damn,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: somebody that's close with 50 right now is actually my
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: manager now, but I met him through somebody in Detroit.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: So when I got with Rocket, we just started going
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to acting classes. I did that for like a year
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and a half. And then he was like, when you ready,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell 50. So then I went to
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: acting class for like a year, and then he figured
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: out I was ready. And he told 50, showed him
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: my self-tapes and stuff. And then... after that, me and
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: 50 been having, like, this relationship to where every time
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I ask him for a new opportunity, like, not, like,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: to give it to me, I just be like, I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: feel stagnant. And he'd give me some work. Like, he'd
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: be like, all right, I got this audition for this.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I got this for this. And he put me with
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: an acting agency, and He's just been supporting everything I do,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm blessed to just have him in my corner,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: and he just be wanting to see me win. So
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that's like how I fuck with 50. And you're going
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: to be on Power.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Power Origins.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Acting school, you really feel like that really, really helped you?
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Because just like when we was talking about the metrics
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: of the stock market, Everything has the process, the language,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the verbiage, the ins and outs. When it comes to acting,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: you got to know your marks. You got to have like,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: what if you have an intimacy scene? They got intimacy coordinator.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: They teach you how to make people feel comfortable, teach
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you how to talk on set, understand what people are saying,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: you know? So camera angles, if this, When this camera
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: zooms in on you, how your body language should be.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: When this camera zooms out, when it's a wide shot,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: like you got to understand this before you just get
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: on camera. And people, I think people jump into it
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: and don't understand that. And that's why some people don't
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: look comfortable on screen. Then you got to understand what
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you're comfortable doing, what you mature enough for, what roles
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: fits you to make you look the.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Best, you know? So you got to understand all that too.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: We got the track list for Price of Fame. And
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: we saw one of the biggest influences of our life
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: for sure on the track list. Talk about the Nas relationship,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the Nas feature, how it came about. Yeah, man. I mean,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: that's somebody that we lived through our whole life.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Man, somebody let Nas hear my album. It just started
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: off with Them letting Nas hear the album, man. Man,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I thought, he told me, he told us that it
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: was a breath of fresh air. Like, and like, I
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: was like, I was threw off at first. Nas, Nas
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: ain't say that. Like, this is Mount Rushmore, Nas.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Then, conversations just turned into, I'm getting on the phone
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Then I'm like, this really Nas.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with Nas. But Nas such a,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Cool guy, he a cool cat. So I'm like, I'm
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: on the phone with Nas. Then it turned into, man,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Nas going to get on your album. I'm like, nah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, Nas ain't getting on my album. So
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: then I fly out to see them. And we were
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: just kicking it. Then a few months later, nah they
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: sent me a video of the Nas verse I'm like
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: wow that's crazy and it was like more I valued
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: it for more personal reasons I was selfish like man
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I got a Nas verse more than really understanding that
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Nas is on my album like this like a bro
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: this like a a head nod in hip hop like
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like it's Nas Nas ain't
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: getting on everybody's stuff that's a fact and I'm like
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: man I got Nas on there like even even with
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the with the The other features I got, like I
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: be feeling like I got, that's why I was so
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: selective with them and I didn't just add anybody to
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: my project because I got, I felt like I got
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: what was necessary.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: That Nas moment is a thing. The first time you
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: hear I get love in Detroit like I'm Skillet Baby,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: what's the reaction from you?
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: People don't understand that he was coming to Detroit like,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a couple times hanging with us before I even, like,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: he knew I was a rapper, like Jack Harlow. So
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he used to be cool, like, on tour. He forgot
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: who he was on tour with, but he was, like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the opener, him and Seti Hendrix. They used to hang
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: with us because Sada was super big, like, especially in Detroit.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: So Sada, baby, was super big. So I'm hanging with Sada.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Jack Harlow hanging with us. but Jack Harlow hanged with
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: me because Sada bigger than him at the time. We
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: just like two young kids, just, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: We just rock around downtown and stuff. And then like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Jack Harlow texts me all the time and just be
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: checking on me. Like, man, I'm glad you talk about
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: this or I see what you're doing.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Keep doing that. Like we don't even talk about music.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: So when he did that, I didn't, that was big
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: for me because I didn't know he was going to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: They just was like, man, Jack Harlow did this. Do
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: you approve it?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I hear I get love in Detroit like Skilla Baby.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Then I heard it all the time. I'm like, whoa,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: this is crazy.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Number one single in the world. Number one single in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Man, that was a cool moment for me, like crazy.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: That was, a lot of people, that might have even
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: been an introduction to you. Like who is Skilla Baby? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Then they start going down the rabbit hole. So what
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: can people expect from this album? Like if, okay. This
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: is their first time really, really, they've heard your music before,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: they know who you are, but this is the first
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: time they're going to listen to you from start to finish.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: What do you want them to get out of it
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: and what should they expect? They're going to expect what
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: to expect from this album. Raw emotion. Top tier lyricism.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Great features. Teachable moments. wittiness um everything big records um
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: a story top to bottom a story and i just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: want them to um to really just sit with it
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: and because the music is great but i want them
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: to sit with it and understand And I don't want
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: to tell people what to get from it. I want
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: them to understand. I want them to get what they
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: want from it. And I want them to really sit
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: with it and comprehend what the project is and how
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: important it is for culture.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of ethical values on there.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Faith-based concepts and values. I think Everything was led with
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: love and started with God on this album. So I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: just want them to understand that, like, and get that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: from me.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's a classic.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: A classic in the making, man. I appreciate the conversation.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I had watched you, what I said, Pretty V. And
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I want to speak to him.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: When they said, you know, I'm like, we got to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: do it. Just because I hadn't seen an artist, I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: hadn't seen anybody really go deep into vulnerability at the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: stage of the career that you're at. And I was
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: like that, the same way Nas said, that's a breath
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: of fresh air. When I heard you speak, I'm like,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: that's a breath of fresh air. I was like, we
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: got to sit down with him. I wonder when you're
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: looking at obviously yourself, Detroit, what's the legacy? Cause you know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: you see people that artists and they come into the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: space and they want to get on and they want
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: to put their friends on and make more music. I
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: feel like there's a bigger calling for you though. What
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: do you want? What do you see a legacy being?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I think my legacy is just being obedient to what
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: God tells me to do. I feel like teaching people
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: through my story, finally figured that out. I think I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: could bridge the gap between what's.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: Cool and what's not cool.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: As far as the youth thinking, being a good guy
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: is not cool. I think I could fix that. only because, like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: you see how I could dress for Pretty V interview,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: then I feel like this. I feel like a young
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: guy today and dress like this and talk about financial literacy.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: My head be all over the place, but my intent
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: be the same. So, my intention is always good. So,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I think my legacy is just to be God's guinea pig. Like,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I think um, let God lead me into everything I'm
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: doing and all my decisions that I'm making. And just,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: if I help one person, I feel like I did
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: my job for the day. Well, I appreciate you brother, man.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: This is dope conversation. You got a bright future. Tell
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: the people all the information, you know, the, the album,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: the title, where to get it, when to get it,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the whole, the whole vibe. Um, The Price of Fame
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: dropped August 21st. Show Me Love just came out. You
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: can get it everywhere on all platforms. Please sit with
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: it and understand it. I think you'll get financial literacy
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: from it. I think you'll get faith values from it.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I think you'll get just a complete understanding of who
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I am and why I am who I am, why
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I act how I act. And I just want to
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me up here. This was
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: just like one of the coolest interviews I've been on.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. This was like, yeah, like this was like
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: a really cool conversation for me because that's what I'm into.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Always like learning.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: And I learned from y'all guys today. And that was
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: really big for me. Yeah. We're not done.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: We're not done learning, man. We're going to hold your
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: hand in this stock market investing thing. I think it's important.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Because I think once you get it, at your level
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: of intelligence, I know your natural thing is let me
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: go give it back to people. So we're going to
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: work on that with you.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Appreciate y'all.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir. All right, y'all. We'll see you next week. Peace.