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Can the Body Heal Itself? A Pharmacist and Naturopath Talk Pregnancy and Nutrition | MaternalRx · Pharmacy Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: You are listening to the global network of podcasters dedicated
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  Speaker 1: to the pharmacy profession.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Pharmacy Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the MaternalRx podcast on the Pharmacy Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're shining light on naturopathic care. and exploring how
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  Speaker 1: pharmacists can partner with naturopaths to make lasting impact for
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  Speaker 1: those affected. Today's episode explores one naturopathic practitioner's perspective on
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  Speaker 1: nutrition and natural medicine. Some opinions discussed differ from current
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  Speaker 1: medical guidelines and may not reflect or may even contradict
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  Speaker 1: the consensus of evidence-based medicine. For the purpose of this interview,
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  Speaker 1: to learn about naturopathy, I condensed the interview to focus
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  Speaker 1: on Dr. Shannon's work. Stay tuned for a following segment
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  Speaker 1: where I take a deeper dive into many of her
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  Speaker 1: statements where I could not find clinical evidence. If you're
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  Speaker 1: a naturopath or have worked with one, please let me
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  Speaker 1: know what you think of this episode and if you
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  Speaker 1: have ideas on how pharmacists and naturopaths can collaborate to
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  Speaker 1: improve maternal health care. Thank you so much for listening
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  Speaker 1: and keeping the dialogue open. I am so excited to
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  Speaker 1: introduce today's guest, Dr. Randy Shannon, naturopathic doctor. expert in face, tongue,
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  Speaker 1: and fingernail analysis, specializing in reversing more than a thousand
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  Speaker 1: so-called incurables using 5,000-year-old original medicine to help restore health. Cancer,
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  Speaker 1: heart disease, and chronic conditions are her focus. Literally, there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing she won't work with. Author of Tongue Tales, an
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  Speaker 1: Amazon bestselling children's book. a regular guest on Coast to
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  Speaker 1: Coast AM with George Norrie and featured on Inside Success
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  Speaker 1: TV as one of their legacy makers. Dr. Randy Shannon, thebodycan.com.
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  Speaker 1: We will dive into what you do and where to
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  Speaker 1: find you. I am absolutely overjoyed because I know very
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  Speaker 1: little about naturopathy. Please add to anything I missed and
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and introduce yourself.
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  Speaker 2: That's so great because we in the naturopathic world actually
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  Speaker 2: know that People that go the traditional route actually don't
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  Speaker 2: get that education. And it's not your fault. And in
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  Speaker 2: the beginning, I used to be angry about that. Like,
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  Speaker 2: why don't people study? But you're doing this podcast. And
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  Speaker 2: I just want to thank you so much for such
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  Speaker 2: an amazingly warm welcome. And it really is an honor
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  Speaker 2: to be on your show. naturopaths and pharmacists they don't
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  Speaker 2: get together very much so this is really really cool
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  Speaker 2: and i think the audience is going to love it
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  Speaker 2: i think it's great for the whole platform of pharmacists
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  Speaker 2: so hopefully they all uh bring me in so you
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  Speaker 2: know what you do is so incredibly important um And
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  Speaker 2: I'll get into a story about one of my daughter-in-laws,
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  Speaker 2: and she had a midwife, so just slightly different. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know all the differences even in your field,
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  Speaker 2: but that was what saved her going through her pregnancy,
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  Speaker 2: was having somebody there as her advocate. It was huge.
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  Speaker 2: It was huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing amazing things.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. No woman becomes pregnant and says,
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  Speaker 1: let me take medications. No, we're terrified. History has us
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  Speaker 1: terrified for good reason. Even medications that are safe for
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  Speaker 1: the baby, we know they're not teratogens. There's risks. For
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  Speaker 1: the mom. And we always have to weigh those risks
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  Speaker 1: versus benefits. It's where, you know, here I do some
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  Speaker 1: pharmacogenetic testing to help guide medication therapy. But my number
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  Speaker 1: one question is, what can I do to avoid medications?
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  Speaker 1: What can I do as a more natural journey while
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  Speaker 1: I'm preparing for pregnancy, through the pregnancy or postpartum to
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  Speaker 1: recover from my experience? What is a naturopath?
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  Speaker 2: So in naturopath, we believe in prevention, okay? And we
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  Speaker 2: believe that most every single thing is reversible. And we
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  Speaker 2: stress that, we emphasize that. And then I took that
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  Speaker 2: even one step further and Because my field is I
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  Speaker 2: do 5,000 year old original medicine. I go right back
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  Speaker 2: to what did they do back then? And there was
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  Speaker 2: multiple parts of the world that were doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: They all had it figured out. If you look at
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  Speaker 2: the face, the fingernails, the tongue, and other marks of
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  Speaker 2: concern on the body, then that will tell you a story.
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  Speaker 2: And we think, well, she's crazy. How could that be?
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  Speaker 2: But if We learned in like first grade that if
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  Speaker 2: you take a tree, right, and you cut it, you
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  Speaker 2: see the rings around the tree and it tells the story.
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  Speaker 2: Was it exposed to fire or pestilence or flooding? It'll
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  Speaker 2: show in the rings. Our body is no different in
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  Speaker 2: those areas that I just mentioned. And so my clients
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  Speaker 2: are in all 50 states. Puerto Rico and 21 other
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  Speaker 2: countries because they don't have to come to me. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: comes to me ever. They send me pictures. And when
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  Speaker 2: they send me the pictures, I create a full report
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  Speaker 2: for them and I tell them everything that I saw.
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  Speaker 2: And then we also address it to help them get
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  Speaker 2: it reversed. So we cover everything. quite a bit of
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  Speaker 2: territory as naturopaths. So I'm looking at every organ, every system.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take on the athletes. I take on lots of doctors.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned on the top about heart disease
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  Speaker 2: and cancers and all of those things that are scary.
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  Speaker 2: To me, they're not scary. Some things will take a
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  Speaker 2: little bit longer to help the person get on track
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  Speaker 2: and then their body reverses it. I don't ever claim
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  Speaker 2: a cure myself. The body is what does it. I
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  Speaker 2: see these things as more simple fixes. Moms, everything's getting
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  Speaker 2: pulled out of them. We pour back into them. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to say some things on here
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  Speaker 2: that will blow the listeners' minds. We've had so many
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  Speaker 2: amazing cases of women that have come to us. We
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  Speaker 2: talked off air about how absolutely important that first trimester is.
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  Speaker 2: And most people, when they find out they're pregnant, they
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  Speaker 2: weren't already doing any kind of a vitamin regimen. Young
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  Speaker 2: people assume they have everything. They assume everything. that they're
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  Speaker 2: the healthiest that there is. Oh, only mom and dad
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  Speaker 2: get that or some rare aunt who got something, you know,
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else. But at the end of the day, when
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  Speaker 2: somebody is going to be pregnant, they really should have
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  Speaker 2: been on nutrients for six to 12 months at minimum
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  Speaker 2: in advance so that you can go into that pregnancy healthy.
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  Speaker 2: But we know pregnancy doesn't work like that all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's a surprise. And so immediately once somebody knows that
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  Speaker 2: they're pregnant, they need to be on a very well-rounded program.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that you'll probably offer this to your
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  Speaker 2: clients in the future. Basically every single person, even if
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  Speaker 2: they are just a couch potato, They require not pregnant, nothing,
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  Speaker 2: not an athlete, nothing. Take all of those things off
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  Speaker 2: the table. Just a person sitting on the couch, not
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  Speaker 2: even expending any energy. They're just awake. They need 60 minerals,
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  Speaker 2: 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids, and three essential fatty acids. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if they go to the gym or they're pregnant. They
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  Speaker 2: might want to increase some of those things if they're
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  Speaker 2: very athletic. They're pulling reserves from the body and the
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  Speaker 2: brain is so smart. It will rob other areas. And
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  Speaker 2: if you don't, you know, think about somebody going into shock.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the legs don't work. The arms
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  Speaker 2: don't work. They start talking gibberish. And then if it's
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  Speaker 2: bad enough, they'll go unconscious. The brain is saying in
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  Speaker 2: that moment, I need all reserves and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: shove them here, probably towards the heart. Okay. Because we
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  Speaker 2: can live without limbs. We all seen those people that
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  Speaker 2: don't have them and they're, they're not dying. They're fine,
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  Speaker 2: but we can't live without the heart. So the brain
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  Speaker 2: is very smart. And when a young mom or a
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  Speaker 2: new mother, takes those nutrients, it's like, wow, for the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Where do we begin if we wanted to start working
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  Speaker 1: with a naturopath?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm a little biased about me because I actually,
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  Speaker 2: after my schooling, and I'm a traditional naturopath, so I
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  Speaker 2: don't carry the license. I did that intentionally. And the
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  Speaker 2: reason I did that intentionally is I hosted what I
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  Speaker 2: call a law call for about five years And I
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  Speaker 2: really learned the differences between licenses and certifications. And if
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  Speaker 2: you say the wrong thing, they take the license, throw
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  Speaker 2: you in jail, et cetera. So I went the traditional route.
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  Speaker 2: And the lockdowns and things that we all just went
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  Speaker 2: through a few years ago, they went after people that
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  Speaker 2: didn't say what they wanted them to say. And they
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  Speaker 2: all had to fight for their licenses. I was fine.
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  Speaker 2: I was fine. Now, I did lose. I was a
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  Speaker 2: Fox affiliate talk show host. They didn't like what I
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  Speaker 2: was saying. So after eight years, they took that show away.
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  Speaker 2: So I did experience censorship, but not like people that
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  Speaker 2: were coming at me for a license. But they can
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  Speaker 2: get a hold of me, thebodycan.com. And it's called The
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  Speaker 2: Body Can because the body can heal itself. Randyshannon.com, which
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  Speaker 2: is the new one. We literally just launched it this week.
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  Speaker 2: Randy spelled with an I. Randyshannon.com. It's a beautiful site.
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  Speaker 2: and my toll-free number is 844-275-1056 they can get a
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  Speaker 2: consultation they can get a tongue analysis only or a
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  Speaker 2: full where i'm looking at everything and that's really thorough
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  Speaker 2: and they all come with multiple months of appointments so
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  Speaker 2: pretty fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: So if somebody had a difficult pregnancy, wants more children,
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  Speaker 1: what would they want to do then to prepare for
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  Speaker 1: their next pregnancy? Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So we actually have full programs. Those 60 minerals, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: that I talked about, they would need to get on
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  Speaker 2: that program. And then we target women in particular. So
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  Speaker 2: we have certain things for men. And then we have
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  Speaker 2: certain things that are specific just to women because obviously
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  Speaker 2: our bodies are different. And then we also make sure
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  Speaker 2: that their diet is completely right.
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  Speaker 1: Is that possible? Does anyone have a completely right diet?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's 100% perfect, but through pregnancy, a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: will really lock it up and do the right things.
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  Speaker 2: No wheat, barley, rye, oatmeal, or buckwheat. No fried foods.
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  Speaker 2: No processed meats.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I'm crazy about supplements and where you're sourcing. So there's
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  Speaker 2: one company I use and it's because any kind of
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  Speaker 2: oil should never be exposed to oxygen. Because when it is,
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  Speaker 2: it oxidizes and it's any oil people will go, well,
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  Speaker 2: but you're telling me to throw out my extra, extra
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  Speaker 2: virgin olive oil. Yes, I am. Throw them all out
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  Speaker 2: because they're all oxidized. They're all rotten and rancid. And
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  Speaker 2: even if you get one good benefit, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have four or five bad ones. The essential fatty acid
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  Speaker 2: that I take and I have all of my clients take,
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  Speaker 2: when they catch that fish, they immediately flash freeze it.
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  Speaker 2: They take it down into nitrogen-filled rooms. There is no
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  Speaker 2: oxygen to be had. Nobody does this except this one
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  Speaker 2: company that I know of. And then they extract it.
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  Speaker 2: They immediately encase it. And they even spray the insides
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  Speaker 2: of the bottles out with nitrogen. These guys are wearing
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  Speaker 2: full oxygen masks. So they are spraying it out and
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  Speaker 2: encasing it so it's pure oxygen. And the opposite would
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  Speaker 2: be this. We always hear about people in like nursing
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  Speaker 2: homes or elderly, they start to get the little brown
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  Speaker 2: spots kind of all over. And that gets blamed on aging.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. We call them age spots. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. And that's not true. They're probably eating rotten and
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  Speaker 2: rancid oils.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And so if you don't think that oxidation happens, think
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  Speaker 2: about an apple. You take a bite out of the apple.
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  Speaker 2: You set it on the counter. What does it look
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  Speaker 2: like in three hours?
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  Speaker 1: Brown? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So imagine that oil on your counter three weeks. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: but I put it in the fridge. It's in a
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  Speaker 2: dark bottle. No, it doesn't matter because you took that
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  Speaker 2: lid off, oxygen rushed in. And when they processed it,
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  Speaker 2: to begin with, they did not immediately enclose that. And
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  Speaker 2: you would have to have more olives than the planet
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  Speaker 2: Earth can even provide to have that bottle be full
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  Speaker 2: of pure oil. Not some other oil infused oil. And
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  Speaker 2: so they put really, I mean, there's other ones that
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  Speaker 2: rot and they're just terrible for aging and not good
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  Speaker 2: for us. So mothers in that first trimester, that's where
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  Speaker 2: things happened.
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  Speaker 1: I work, as you heard, I work with patients who
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  Speaker 1: have had extreme nausea and vomiting in pregnancy and their
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  Speaker 1: gut really gets destroyed through the pregnancy. Recovering from that
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  Speaker 1: takes a whole lot amount of time. What recommendations would
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  Speaker 1: you make for these patients?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have daughter-in-laws and they're all having babies and
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  Speaker 2: some have already had them, some are on the way.
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  Speaker 2: When they get the nausea, there's a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: that are the go-tos. eliminating all the bad things out
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  Speaker 2: of the diet. And the go-tos would be ginger, of course,
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  Speaker 2: which you know about that one, but also the B-complex
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  Speaker 2: is very effective for nausea. And then just when they eat,
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  Speaker 2: when the stomach is acidic and they're feeling that, the
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  Speaker 2: stomach is the one place in the whole body where
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  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be super acidic. And so medical drugstores,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, they tell everybody go get Tums or things
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  Speaker 2: like that. I am totally against that because we want
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  Speaker 2: it to stay acidic and we want to do exactly
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  Speaker 2: the opposite of what your brain tells you is logic,
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  Speaker 2: which is throw more acid on the fire. How do
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  Speaker 2: you do that? Enzymes and salt. Salt's the easiest. Go
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  Speaker 2: in the kitchen, grab it, put it in the hand, lick, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what you gotta do, but you gotta
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  Speaker 2: get salt in. The body is off, the acid alkaline
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  Speaker 2: is off. And so when we get nausea and the
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  Speaker 2: stomach is feeling that, that stomach is supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: a 1.2 to a 1.3 pH. So it's moving more
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  Speaker 2: into the 1.5 probably range. And so we need to
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  Speaker 2: bring it back to that one, two, one, three, and
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  Speaker 2: salt will do that. And I use Redmond, which is
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  Speaker 2: out of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a pharmacist, as a retail pharmacist, the
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  Speaker 1: data came out that showed proton pump inhibitors have very
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  Speaker 1: terrible long-term effects, looking at decreased bone strength, looking, right,
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  Speaker 1: leading to osteoporosis, looking at increased rates of Alzheimer's. And
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  Speaker 1: it's quite scary. So the FDA approvals on those meds
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  Speaker 1: were for two weeks. They were not meant to be long-terms.
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  Speaker 1: And instead of finding the root cause, right, these patients
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  Speaker 1: are put on them and then stay on them. And
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  Speaker 1: in the world of medicine, at least in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: some of the biggest medication problems happen at transitions of care.
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  Speaker 1: So if somebody goes into a hospital and then is
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  Speaker 1: discharged from a hospital, they might be put on medications
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  Speaker 1: and then they stay on those medications. And antacids are
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  Speaker 1: very commonly stayed on, continued in those situations. So here
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, let's stop this. That's one thing I always
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  Speaker 1: counsel on. If you have hyperemesis gravidarum or that baby
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  Speaker 1: in the third trimester is pushing everything back up because
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  Speaker 1: the stomach's pushed up and the acid isn't processing through
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  Speaker 1: like it should and you're feeling it, I would always
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  Speaker 1: say use it just for the short amount of time.
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  Speaker 1: And as soon as you don't need it or that
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  Speaker 1: baby's born, get off it. And then we're going to
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  Speaker 1: work to get that balance back in your gut.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing that'll actually work pretty quickly is peppermint.
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  Speaker 1: Would that be safe to do during pregnancy?
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  Speaker 2: Peppermint is the plant. They can chew on the leaf.
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  Speaker 2: And I would get like a rock salt to just
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  Speaker 2: chew on. And I bet it just goes away. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the whole thing. It like has a big long word,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it's whole studies and things are done
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  Speaker 2: on it. But at the end of the day, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the doctor that I worked with, that retired, Dr. Joel Wallach.
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  Speaker 2: He was very famous, wrote like 18 books. And if
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  Speaker 2: the audience remembers Marlon Perkins and Wild Kingdom, it was
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  Speaker 2: like the first animal planted in the 70s. So the
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  Speaker 2: doctor of veterinary medicine that was behind the scenes is
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  Speaker 2: the doctor I've worked with for over 20 years. And
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  Speaker 2: they did these cures. He was a doctor of veterinary medicine.
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  Speaker 2: They did all the cures in the animals. And then
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  Speaker 2: they brought those remedies to the people. And then he
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  Speaker 2: worked with me almost exclusively. I can't say fully exclusively,
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  Speaker 2: but almost, especially in these last five years, 10 years,
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  Speaker 2: worked with me and made sure that I learned every
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  Speaker 2: single one of those cures that they did in animals.
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  Speaker 2: So I can't claim that obviously in people. But we definitely,
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  Speaker 2: I was at a dinner once, I'll try to make
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  Speaker 2: this quick, but there was an attorney across from me
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  Speaker 2: at a table of like eight or 10 people and
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  Speaker 2: he could not stop his belching. So I just picked
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  Speaker 2: up the salt and I handed it to him. And
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  Speaker 2: I said, get some of that salt on your spoon
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  Speaker 2: and eat it. And he's like, what? You know, like
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  Speaker 2: looking at me like I was crazy. And I said, no,
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  Speaker 2: do it. And he barely put some salt. And I said, no,
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  Speaker 2: put some salt on there. Like, don't be afraid. It
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  Speaker 2: was within seconds. He never burped again the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Never saw it. Salt takes you back to that 1.2
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  Speaker 2: to the 1.3, whereas the Tums, the antacid, the sodium bicarbonate,
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  Speaker 2: which is the same thing as baking soda, Also, the
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  Speaker 2: same thing they throw in swimming pools to keep it clean.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing I throw in my laundry. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want that in my stomach. And so that takes
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  Speaker 2: you alkaline. And the stomach is the one place in
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  Speaker 2: the whole body that must stay acidic. But peppermint oil
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  Speaker 2: would do it as well. It needs to be an
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  Speaker 2: edible because sometimes some of these different essential oils are
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  Speaker 2: probably not. And you want to make sure it's clean
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  Speaker 2: and organic. So, but it just takes a drop or
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  Speaker 2: two and it takes like 18 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Can I circle back to, you talked about nails. What
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  Speaker 1: is it that you look at the nails? And I
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  Speaker 1: actually find this fascinating on a personal level because I
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: have those ridges through my nails. I have family members
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  Speaker 1: that opened my eyes to this many years ago and said, oh,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: these doctors say it's related to different autoimmune diseases or
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: other diseases and knock on wood, I'm a healthy person
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and I've yet to be able to relate it to anything.
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  Speaker 1: But this is something that you do. You look at nails.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I look at the striations. I never
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: really teach it what everything is on here because You
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: do have to triangulate it and go to the face
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  Speaker 2: and go to the tongue and When you're looking at nails,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: because one sign here really does need to be confirmed
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  Speaker 2: here or on the face. Okay. So, but I look for, oh, everything,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: white spots, white streaks, ridges, which way are they going? Horizontal, vertical,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: cracks in certain places can mean heart disease. Like it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: crazy how many amazing things that you can see there.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: You definitely can see signs of cancer. And I really
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: test it with my cancer clients. So you can bet
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: when I see a cancer client, I'm testing this every
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: single time, every single client. And if they didn't know
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: that they had a cancer, it is not my job
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to diagnose, okay? I could go straight to jail for that.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: So I don't, but I'll say you should have this
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And this is something that we need to look at.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: So if we don't get this to start growing back
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: within the next few months, then maybe you should get
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: some blood work done. So I dance around it a
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: little bit because I also don't want to put the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: fear in them. And we want to make sure. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: so my programs are so aggressive that even if they
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: did have a cancer in that moment, what we're doing
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: is going to help them anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Diagnoses aside, you said we're not diagnosing. This is not
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: our wheelhouse. It's replenishing minerals, nutrients. Are there certain nutrients
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and based on what you see in the nails and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the tongue and around the face that you could then
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: replenish and potentially then reverse or prevent a disease?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's my goal every single day is
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to make sure. See, when I first got started as
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a naturopathic doctor, I did a search of how many
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: so-called incurable diseases that they said that there were. And
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at the time, it was something like 400 or 500.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I looked at it again about two years ago. I
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: haven't run it again. But I said, how many incurable
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: diseases are there? Now it bumped up to over 1,000,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: which is nutty. That's not true. So all of those
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: are probably reversible that they just added on. Because they've
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: maybe come up with another prescription. And I know this
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: is the pharmacist network, the pharmacist podcast. But I will
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: say that every single pharmaceutical drug has a side effect.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And because they are synthetic, they're not natural to the body.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: You know, when it comes to the fingernails, when it
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: comes to the face, the whole industry of going and getting,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: let's say, injections and fillers, I'm... like pretty much against
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: all of that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I'm 58.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I've never colored my hair my whole life until last
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: year we taped a television show. And they were like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: we'd kind of like you to lighten it up a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: little bit. And I went to the guy they said,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and he created a video literally of digging into the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: back of my hair. And he said, you have no
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: gray hair.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I said, no, I don't.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Cause I get all my nutrients. Like if you see
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a silver haired, white haired, gray haired, 40 year old,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: 30 year old. I've had eight year olds come to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: me with that. It is not a aging issue if
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I got an eight year old, right? So it is
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: an organ in the body and the brain, just like
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: in the shock factor, will go rob those things that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: create the hair, hair color. You know, guys lose hair.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: They don't have to lose the hair. They just have
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: to get the nutrients. And then the brain will be like, okay,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I got what I need. You can have hair. You
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: can have color.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So this is audio only and nobody listening can see
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: what you look like, but nobody would guess you're 58, Dr. Shannon.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, beautiful, stunning, without fillers. And you're in Florida,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: is that correct?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I love the sun with no sunscreen. So I do
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: my best to eat. You know, we have amazing dessert
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: places here. We have amazing wines that they ship in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: from all over. So it's not that I don't have
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: these things every once in a while. I, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I do. But I always take care of myself before, during,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and after when I'm doing those things. I'll come back
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and do some things that regulate the blood back out.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: So there's, you know, there's tricks to it. There's tricks.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So I think the situation has to do with our
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: soil and our diet, right? That we're not absorbing the nutrients.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: If you walk through a grocery store today, a typical
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: American grocery store, Everything is in a box or in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a can. And if you go to the produce section,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it's all been frozen and transported. You know, there is ideally,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: we all want to shop at farmer's markets, but the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: timing and the prices prevent so many people from doing so.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Location accessibility, right? When we go to make our food
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: choices and we choose if we're going to be sedentary
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: or exercise, you're bringing in something, like you said, going
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: back 5,000 years. What do we need in our body
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: so that we don't end up needing medications or feeling
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like we are just exhausted or have diseases that we're
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: told there's no cures to? Where do we begin?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Most naturopaths even just cherry pick different nutrients. They don't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: realize the extreme of what is needed because they didn't
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: have the beauty of working with the guy who cured
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: it all in animals. That's why, you know, he not
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: only did that, but he bought the dirt and then
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he created, he formulated the products and I sell those
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to my clients. And I do that because then every
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: 30 days we relook at the face, the fingernails, the tongue,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and I show them real time how they're changing. And
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I show like face shapes change. We are literally going
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to be taping. I was just on with the studio.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: We're going to be taping a six episode miniseries called
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Beyond Skin Deep about reversing the clock and turning around
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: all these ailments naturally. The show is exciting because we're
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: going to go through every single thing that I do
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: with my clients now. And the studio loves it so much.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: That's why we're doing a show. So the world needs
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to hear this.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: If we can prevent disease, that's what we want to do.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: So we talked about nails. What are you looking for
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: on the tongue?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: The tongue is amazing. The tongue is more real time.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Nails take a little bit longer for things to show
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: up there, but the tongue is very fast. You do
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: something today, I'm gonna know it tomorrow. It's very fast.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Simple things like what's going on with the stomach, digestive issues,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: gut bacteria issues, liver, gallbladder, kidney, pancreas, respiratory shows, hormones
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: will show. I love when I hear that somebody had
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to go take this big test and it cost, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: $ 700 to $ 1, 000. And I say, just stick out your tongue.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Let me see.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So you just look at it. It's not like a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: swab or..
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I don't need to because the original medicine, we could
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: see it. My friends, I used to, you know, go
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: out a lot. I live in Miami. And whenever I
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: would show up, my friends would always be there and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: they'd say, hey, have you met Dr. Randy Shannon yet?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Stick out your tongue. She looks at tongues. And it
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: was always like kind of a running joke, but I
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: probably am not remarried because I saw their tongues and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: there's no... Oh, my gosh. Yeah, lots of organs there, heart,
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  Speaker 2: liver shows a couple of different times in the tongue.
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  Speaker 2: And I can see the levels of like, how bad
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: is the heart? How bad are the hormones? And, you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I can kind of put timelines together. It takes about
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: 90 to 120 days for us to kind of refill
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: those storage bins of the people's organs that are super depleted.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Takes about that on average and about six months to
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: really kind of turn that ship around. And sometimes things,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you know, like the trigeminal nerve, they're getting all kinds
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of pain, especially pregnant women. You know, they get that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Like that can be turned around so fast and we
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: just need to know it. And then we go to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the appropriate nutrients that will feed those areas really, really nicely.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: And we've had people that had bone on bone and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: within six months got another x-ray and they could see
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the cartilage regrowing.
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  Speaker 1: My father's had like four hip replacements. So that would
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: have been a dream, right? And he was young. He
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: was in his 30s when he got the first one.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And we always learn osteoporosis is like for old people, right?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And there he was in his 30s getting his first
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: hip replacement. So there must have been a mineral or
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: something he was missing, huh?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It was literally a vision. We have seen it on x-ray.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: So we know. And like if he's was deficient there, knees, hips, whatever,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: do you, I mean, you probably know it, but the
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: audience doesn't know it, but the heart is sitting on
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: a pile of cartilage. So if you're missing it in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the knees guaranteed, you're missing it there as well. So
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: if you take a hit, to that area, car accident, whatever,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: you could be in real trouble. So if you're suffering
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in the knees and the hips, you really need to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: reach out.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Well, then I'll go to the third one on the face.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: What are you looking for on the face?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, faces I love. You know, when they say make
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: an angry face, and then they know right where to
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: put that Botox in. Yeah. All of this is organs.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It's not aging. And so we're looking at the lymphatic
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: system we can see. Reproductive is another verification on the face.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Both the intestines, the kidney bladder. Okay. Liver, for sure. Adrenals,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: we can see there. So quite a bit on the face.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And heart, if I didn't say that one specifically, the spleen.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, there is all kinds of stuff on the face.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely one of my favorites. I teach all of this
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: in a master class. So people can do the whole
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: class or we're actually getting ready to launch probably within
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: two weeks of it. We're going to break it up into, listen,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: maybe you just want to learn the tongue or you
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: just want to learn the nails. So we're going to
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: make it so that people can do it in increments.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But that is at the website as well. It's already
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: up and running master class page on the website.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: We've gained so much incredible information today. My brain is spinning.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: You have taken what is normal thought patterns for me,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: turned them upside down completely. Your training was very unique.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: It seems very different from other naturopathic doctors. I know
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: my friends that live in Canada, it's covered by their
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: insurance to see a naturopath. Thank you. To learn more
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: or to work with you, thebodycan.com. So that's T-H-E-B-O-D-Y-C-A-N.com. You
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: can contact Dr. Shannon at Dr. spelled out D-O-C-T-O-R, Randy
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: with an I, Shannon at gmail.com or reach her at 844-275-1056.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And if you found this helpful and interesting, please share
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it with your community. Dr. Shannon, thank you so much.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Any last thoughts that you'd like to share?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Just, you know, this audience has people that are
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: there that are sitting and suffering and they're saying, you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: wonder if I should call her. The answer is yes,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: because I don't cherry pick nutrients. I really try to
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: talk you into doing the whole package so that you're
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: not tying a hand behind my back and I can
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: actually see and try to triangulate the different locations. And
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Pick up the phone. At the very least, it's a
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: fantastic baseline. It's a great program. We do it literally
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: all over the world. And you can stay in your home.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And nothing scares me. In my opinion, most everything is reversible.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Turning my thought patterns upside down, we learned in pharmacy school,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: like you said, what's a curable disease, what's reversible, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: what is not. And as you mentioned earlier... The numbers
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of what's not curable or reversible keeps growing and growing,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and you're saying that is not true. Let's follow your footsteps.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: If any pharmacist did want to learn or become a naturopath,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: how would you begin to do so?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: There is different schools all over the country. They're already licensed,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: so they might want to stay within that. there's school
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: specific to that. And then there's school specific to the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: program that I did. So they would just reach out.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: We kind of have a discussion. I would love to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: work with them and be even on more of their
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: podcasts and be fun.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Dr. Shannon, thank you so much. So many great insights
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and pearls and change of thought patterns. Looking forward to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: changing people's lives. Thank you again.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you so much. You know, I'm going
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: to say some things on here that will blow the
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: listener's mind.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Dr. Shannon lived up to her promise. Stay tuned for
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a deep dive into many of these statements and my
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: perspective on them.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Every single person, even if they are just a couch potato.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: They require not pregnant, nothing, not an athlete, nothing. Take
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: all of those things off the table. Just a person
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: sitting on the couch, not even expending any energy. They're
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: just awake. They need 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and three essential fatty acids.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: The body does require many essential nutrients, including vitamins, minerals,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: amino acids, and fatty acids. However, these exact numbers are
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: not recognized nutritional standards, at least not that I could
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: find anywhere. The scientifically supported concept is that adequate nutrient
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: intake is important, while specific nutrient requirements vary by life stage,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: health status, genetics, and individual circumstances. Dr. Shannon then goes
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: on to talk about the increased nutrient needs of athletes,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: which of course that one makes sense, and I think
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: we could find evidence behind it, but Take a listen
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to what she says about the average lifespan.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: They're very athletic. If you look at the stats, it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: something like, and I haven't rerun it lately, but a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: few years ago, I would run the numbers. I'm a
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: real number cruncher type of person. And the stats were
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: that athletes die on average in their 40s. because they're
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: pulling reserves from the body.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: So do athletes die on average in their 40s because
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: they're depleted of nutrients? High levels of physical stress require
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: appropriate recovery, nutrition, and balance. However, population studies generally show
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: that physically active individuals, including many athletes, have equal or
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: greater longevity compared to less active populations. Certain sports or
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: extreme training environments, however, may carry unique risks. Think about
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in 1995, when we lost two-time Olympian Sergei Grinkov to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a massive heart attack at only 28 years old. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: more recently, when we lost gold medalist Tory Bowie to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: acclantic seizures. A recent study reported that the average age
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of death of former football players, NFL players, is 59.6
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: years old. That's about two decades less than the average
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: American male. On average, football players died seven years earlier
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: than Major League Baseball players due to cardiovascular disease. That's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the one thing all these athletes from these different sports
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: have in common. Do super athletes put more strain on
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: their heart? Is inflammation a commonality? The broader claims that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: athletes generally die young is not supported, but could replenishing
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: specific nutrients in super athletes have prevented these untimely deaths? Dr.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Shannon seems to think so.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: In the first trimester, that is where a type 1
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: diabetic is created. The mother does not have enough essential
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: fatty acids so that other processes cannot take place, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: therefore the type 1, it's already baked in in trimester 1.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: So if she's eating fish or she's eating sardines or
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: she's taking a supplement and supplements are, I'm crazy about
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: supplements and where you're sourcing. So there's one company I
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: use and it's because any kind of oil should never
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: be exposed to oxygen. Because when it is, it oxidizes
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and it's any oil people will go, well, but you're
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: telling me to throw out my extra, extra virgin olive oil. Yes,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I am. Throw them all out because they're all oxidized.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: They're all rotten and rancid. And even if you get
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: one good benefit, you're going to have four or five
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: bad ones.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Negativities or negatives. So the essential fatty acid that I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: take and I have all of my clients take When
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: they catch that fish, they immediately flash freeze it. They
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: take it down into nitrogen-filled rooms. There is no oxygen
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: to be had. Nobody does this except this one company
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: that I know of. And then they extract it. They
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: immediately encase it. And they even spray the insides of
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the bottles out with nitrogen. These guys are wearing full
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: oxygen masks. So they are spraying it out and encasing
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: it so it's pure. And the opposite would be this.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: We always hear about people in like nursing homes or elderly,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: they start to get the little brown spots kind of
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: all over. And that gets blamed on aging.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: We call them age spots. Absolutely.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Correct. And that's not true. They're probably eating rotten and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: rancid oils. And so if you don't think that oxidation happens,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: think about an apple, you take a bite out of
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the apple, you set it on the counter. What does
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: it look like in three hours?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. So imagine that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Oil on your counter three weeks. Oh, but I put
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it in the fridge. It's in a dark bottle. No,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter because you took that lid off, oxygen
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: rushed in. And when they processed it to begin with,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: they did not immediately enclose that. And you would have
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to have more olives than the planet earth can, even
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: provide to have that bottle be full of pure, not
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: some other oil-infused oil. Type 1 diabetics, if the mom
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: gets the EFAs, typically it's the omega-3 that's missing. But
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: if she gets them and she's on them through that pregnancy,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I think we could eradicate type 1 diabetics. Nobody has
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to be born that way. And they are also, like,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: if they are born that way, type 1s can't come
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: along later when you're 50. That's a misdiagnosis. And I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: bet you've seen that. Like, a 50-year-old man, all of
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a sudden they're giving him insulin. And the problem why
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: they had to go to insulin is because he had
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: such a bad diet that things were not happening in
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: his body that would absorb nutrients. And so when he took,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: let's say, the metformin, it had no shot of absorption.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: And so then they say, oh, he's even worse than
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: we thought. Let's put him on insulin for the rest
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of his life. But I even believe, because I've seen
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: it with my own eyes, that a baby, even at
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: say six months, that they're being told this baby's going
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: to have Down syndrome. If that mom gets nutrients, I
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: fully believe that things can be reversed in utero. And
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: it happened with, if you're familiar with Evel Knievel, remember
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Evel Knievel?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I do. I'm old enough to remember Evel Knievel. Yes.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: So his, I believe it was his niece, don't quote
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: me on that part, she was pregnant. And it might
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: not be the niece. It could be, it was, you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: somewhere in there in his relation. She was pregnant and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: she was told that, and they sought out the doctor
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: that I've worked with. He retired last year. He said,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, let's see. So they gave her the nutrients,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: put her on a plan. And that child is a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: full grown woman today. Weren't like a perfect life. She
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: became a ballerina. She did all kinds of things. I
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: think she's an attorney now. So I'm telling you, That
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's over. The moms just have to
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: have what they need and miracles can happen. Nutrients are powerful.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Nutrients are powerful, but can they make miracles happen? Could
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: type 1 diabetes created during the first trimester happen because
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: of a lack of essential fatty acids? Maternal nutrition is
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: important for fetal development. And essential fatty acids play important
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: roles in growth and cellular function. However, type 1 diabetes
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: is understood to be a complex immune disease influenced by
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: genetic susceptibility and environmental factors. Current evidence just does not
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: support maternal fatty acid deficiency as the cause of type
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: 1 diabetes. However, omega-3 fatty acids do have important roles
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in inflammation, regulation, and fetal development. Preventing or eliminating type
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: 1 diabetes would be an extraordinary claim requiring strong clinical evidence.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Current research just does not demonstrate that omega-3 supplementation can
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: eradicate type 1 diabetes. Dr. Shannon, I'm rooting for you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Let's get that evidence that you've seen as case studies
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: in real life with yourself and your mentor, your teacher,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and let's prevent this, right? Let's talk about some of
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: these other claims here. Opened olive oil and commercial oils
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: are rancid and harmful. So oils can undergo oxidation, particularly
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: with exposure to heat, light, and oxygen. Proper storage is
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: important for maintaining quality. However, oxidation occurs on a spectrum.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And the statement that most commercial oils are inherently rancid
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: or harmful is an oversimplification. Are age spots caused by
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: eating rancid oils rather than aging and sun exposure? Oxidative stress, again,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: like our athletes of the heart, oxidative stress is involved
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: in aging biology. Age spots are primarily associated with cumulative
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: ultraviolet exposure, genetics, and normal aging processes. Current dermatological evidence
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't support rancid oil consumption as the primary cause. But
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'm heading that direction, Dr. Shannon. So if there's any
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: way that taking your special oils can prevent age spots,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I might just give it a try. And the claim
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that Down syndrome can be reversed in utero with nutrients,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: this one we are betting on miracles here. Nutrition plays
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: an important role in supporting healthy pregnancies, but Down syndrome
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: is caused by an additional copy of chromosome 21, right?
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Trisomy 21, it's known as. There is currently no evidence
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that nutritional therapy can reverse a chromosomal condition. In the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: story of a relative of Evel Knievel reversing a prenatal
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Down syndrome diagnosis through nutrients, individual stories can be meaningful,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: but medical conclusions require documented evidence, including diagnostic confirmation, and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: reproducible outcomes. Again, Dr. Shannon, if you saw this happen,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: let's see if we can replicate it. If it could
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: be as simple as supplementing with very specific omega-3s or
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: other nutrients to each patient, let's start getting that as
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: our standard of care and seeing the evidence. And talking
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: about diabetes management, type 1 diabetes is saying it cannot
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: develop later in life and adult diagnoses are misdiagnoses. What
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: do we know? Autoimmune diabetes can occur at any age,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: including adulthood. Latent autoimmune diabetes in adults called LADA, and
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I do have another podcast where I interviewed an expert
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: about this, is recognized form of autoimmune diabetes. If adults
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: placed on insulin simply failed to absorb metformin due to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: poor nutrition or Well, what do we know? Diabetes progression
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: is influenced by insulin protection, insulin resistance, genetics, autoimmune processes,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and many other factors. Nutrition, of course, is vital, extremely important.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: But this explanation does not reflect the complexity of diabetes
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: management as we know it now.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it was the LA Lakers. They
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: had a cardiology program. doctor on staff. Now, he's a cardiologist.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: He's an expert for a major NBA team. And you
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: know what he died of? He had a heart attack.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Their doctor, Macon Bank, they ought to be hiring me
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: because I will actually help them make their hearts and
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: their valves and all of the whole entire system healthier.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find any evidence through online searches of a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: cardiologist that worked for a professional basketball team either the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: LA Lakers or another one, dying of a heart attack himself. However,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I did come up with so many responses that showed
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the actual basketball players themselves passing away of coronary artery
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: disease or other heart-related illnesses. Again, like we discussed just
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit ago, younger than they should have been,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: far before the average age of death for an American male.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And you have to wonder what's going on with the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: heart and could the therapies that Dr. Shannon prescribes through
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: supplementation decrease inflammation or other, I don't know what's going
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: on with, with these athletes hearts. It is, um, another
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: article talked about it being with that widow maker and
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: getting the right testing done because this should not be happening.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Nobody, pregnant or not, male, female, doesn't matter. Nobody should
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: be eating peanuts. Really?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: They sit in moisture and create a mold. A mold
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: grows in there, and that is super toxic to us,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and it really goes after your liver. So nobody should
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: ever have peanuts. And I love peanuts, but I don't
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: eat them. You can't.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Are other nuts good, though?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: From the trees are great.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. Just nothing really sitting on the ground, sitting in moisture.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: So should nobody eat peanuts because they contain mold that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: is toxic to the liver? I'd be curious if any
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: of the listeners have heard this one before. I had
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: not and did a bit of a deep dive. What
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I found was that certain molds can produce aflavotoxins, which
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: are associated with liver toxicity. However, regulated food systems monitor
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: these risks. And avoiding peanuts entirely is not recommended for
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the general population. According to the non-profit organization National Peanut Butter,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: aflavotoxin is a naturally occurring byproduct of mold that affects
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: many crops. Rigorous food safety measures mean the risk of
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a consumer being exposed to aflavotoxin in American peanut products
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is very low. According to the FDA, there has never
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: been a human illness outbreak caused by aflavotoxins in the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: United States where foods are carefully regulated and inspected to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: prevent such an occurrence. That said, if you have any concern,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I think avoiding peanuts would probably be an easy thing
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to do. I think it's very important to circle back
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to the idea of using peppermint to decrease nausea and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: or vomiting in pregnancy. There's a big difference in types
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: of peppermint and the danger might be with peppermint essential
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: oils because they're concentrated. Here's what Dr. Shannon had to say.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: If they take some peppermint oil and just put it in,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: you know, like a tiny glass, okay, half that water.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: You don't even need that much water. Just one or
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: two drops at most. I'd start with one. And drink that,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: like 18 seconds later, it's gone.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Peppermint has been shown to relieve nausea during pregnancy in
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: some women. But peppermint in food or tea, keep in
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: mind the amounts differ than that from a concentrated essential oil.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: As a pharmacist, we wouldn't console on just saying a
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: drop or two in some water. We don't know how
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: much that is, and we measure things out for an
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: exact amount that has proven evidence of safety, especially during pregnancy.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Essential ill ingestion during pregnancy has limited safety data, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: claims of rapid symptom relief require clinical evidence.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: The Japanese eat something like 12 to 15 grams of
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: salt a day. In America, we eat something like one
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: to three. We're very undersalted. They're very healthy. They got
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: great skin. They don't have even probably close to half
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: of the disease we have.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: So how much salt is a healthy amount to have?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: As much as the Japanese or as low as the Americans?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And what is the correlation going on here? Well, when
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: we think about the sources of that salt, in Japan,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: traditional sources include soy sauce, Soups like miso soup, salted
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: fish or seafood, and pickled vegetables. In the United States,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: our salt's coming from commercial and processed foods like pizza, sandwiches, soups,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: and processed chicken. So is this a correlation or is
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: it a causation? And would increasing salt actually help our
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: diets and our skin?
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: And I know this is the pharmacist network, the pharmacist podcast,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: but I will say that every single pharmaceutical drug has
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: a side effect. And because they are synthetic, they're not
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: natural to the body. Women in particular, they take something,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's called Primarin. And what they don't really
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: realize is that is horse urine. Okay.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Shock value aside, It is not horse urine, and not
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: all pharma products are synthetic. So let's talk about what
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: is the truth going on here. Natural products, according to
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: the FDA, are unaltered medicines taken straight from plants, animals, fungi,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: like penicillin is from mold. Semi-synthetics are natural substances that
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: are chemically modified in a lab to make them safer
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: or stronger. such as opioid pain relievers made from poppy plants.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Biologics are large, complex medical treatments grown or produced using
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: living cells and microorganisms like bacteria or yeast, like insulin,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and fully synthetic drugs, which are small molecules built completely
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: from scratch using chemical reactions in a traditional lab. So
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: not all pharma products are synthetic. They could fall into
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: any one of these categories. What is Premarin? Premarin contains
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: a blend of conjugated equine estrogens, which are natural female
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: estrogen hormones extracted from the urine of the pregnant mare,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: which is where the name comes from. So Premarin is
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: actually a natural product. It's not built from scratch in
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: a lab like a fully synthetic. There's no lab modifications
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to it. Unlike semi-synthetic drugs, and it's not a biologic.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: According to the FDA, Premarin is important to note that
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: many health resources refer to it as a synthetic hormone.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: This is often context dependent. In clinical environments, it's called
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: synthetic to distinguish it from human identical hormones because it
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: introduces your equine, right? Your horse estrogens that do not
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: naturally occur inside the human body. From a manufacturing and
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: chemical classification standpoint, however, it remains a purified natural product.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Of everything that Dr.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Shannon said, which seemed to be quite shocking to me,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: this next one about cholesterol takes the cake. Have a listen.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Cholesterol is one of the things that we need on
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: top of those other things. And that just puts the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: whole medical world upside down. They've never understood that. But
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: we want cholesterol as high as the sky. What makes
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: cholesterol go bad are those fried foods and those foods
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: cooked in oils. And so that's what gives people a
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: bad number where all of a sudden the heart's in trouble.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: But the reproductive organs themselves, that is made up of
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: 95% cholesterol. So if you get rid of cholesterol, you're
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: shutting your systems down. 40% of our whole body is cholesterol.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: So if we shut it off and we take those
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: drugs that the pharmacists give, which I've never agreed with them,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: that is like the one thing where I tell my clients,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you to get off of anything, but
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: if there was one I'd personally throw in the trash,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: it was the cholesterol ones.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I think every pharmacist right now is spinning in circles
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: trying to process this, right? For sure. Let's talk about cholesterol.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: This was one of the areas where I noticed the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: greatest contrast between what was presented in the interview and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: what I was taught in pharmacy school and what is
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: supported by current cardiovascular evidence. I want to be careful
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: not to dismiss the underlying point that cholesterol is an
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: essential substance in the body. It absolutely is. However, the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: recommendation to have cholesterol as high as the sky, along
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: with the suggestion that statins should be discarded, is very
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: different from the evidence-based approach we were taught regarding LDL
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: cholesterol and cardiovascular risk. Just as cholesterol is very important
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: for many different body processes, it's also genuinely important for reproduction.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It's not that the reproductive organs are made up of cholesterol,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: but rather in the ovaries and testes, specialized cells take
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: cholesterol and convert it into steroid hormones to include estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, cortisol,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and aldosterone. So they're literally the building blocks of steroid hormones.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: And while cholesterol is essential to the heart and blood
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: vessels too, Chronically elevated LDL cholesterol can contribute to plaque
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: buildup and cardiovascular disease. The cholesterol our cells need is
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: not the same thing as having high levels of cholesterol
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: circulating in our blood. So yes, cholesterol is essential, but
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that more is automatically better. My final
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: thought that's important to clarify is that being a traditional
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: naturopath is different from being a licensed naturopathic doctor. Someone
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: can have completed a a doctor level naturopathic program and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: still choose not to be licensed depending on their education
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and where they practice. I don't think the important question
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: is simply, is this person licensed? I think we should
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: look at what their training actually was, what credentials they hold,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: what they're legally permitted to do, and most importantly, whether
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: the specific health claims they're making are supported by good evidence.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: What I took away from this conversation is that there
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: is certainly a place for looking at nutrition and lifestyle, prevention,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and the whole patient, not just the medications they take.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: As a pharmacist, I think these conversations are very important,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: particularly in pregnancy, when patients are understandably cautious about medications
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: and want to know what else they can do to
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: support their health. I've met more and more and more
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: pharmacists that are either currently working in functional medicine, a variation,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: a range of integrative medicine, or wanting to start their
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: own practices that combine different modalities within medicine. At the
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: same time, this interview reminded me why evidence matters so
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: much in healthcare. Some of the claims we discussed were
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: very different from what we learn in pharmacy and medical training,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: and in some cases were directly contrary to established evidence
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: and clinical guidelines. Before publishing this episode, I reached back
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: out to Dr. Shannon for the evidence supporting some of
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the more significant claims. I want to give her an
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: opportunity to provide the research behind her recommendations. For me,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: that's really the purpose of MaternalRx, to have conversations across
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: healthcare disciplines, remain curious, ask questions, and ultimately help patients
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: make informed decisions based on the best evidence available. Not
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: every idea needs to be dismissed simply because it's different
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: from conventional medicine, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: as healthcare professionals, I think it's our responsibility to know
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the difference between an interesting hypothesis, an individual's clinical experience,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: even when that does cross decades, and something that has
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: actually been demonstrated in the scientific literature. I hope that
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: these claims that she made that are currently contrary to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: how we practice and what we learn and know will
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: someday become possible and that all diseases are reversible. A
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: giant thank you to Dr. Randy Shannon for sharing her
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: years of experience and knowledge. And if you want to
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: learn more about what she does, she has a course
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: upcoming that you're welcome to enroll. And she's always available
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: to work with. Thank you, everyone, for listening. If you
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: found this interesting, please share it. And if you have
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: worked with a naturopath, let me know. I'd love to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: hear the experience. This podcast is for education only. Please
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: consult your healthcare providers for medical advice. Everything I share
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: on this podcast is strictly from my own experience and
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: education and not a reflection of any company where I work.