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Latest Moves Across MLB · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three O Take
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presented by Chinook Seeder. This is episode 587.
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I'll be your host, Scott Goran. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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Reyes. Nate.
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KCJB How are we getting down to it, boys?
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Getting down to it. I'd wanted to, I'll be honest
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with you, I'd wanted to lead off with running through some more
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Christmas wishes from the listeners, from the followers on
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social, just to, to continue that thread.
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But. But.
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We started talking about baseball cards right before we
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hopped on, so I kind of just want to like sit in this for a
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little while and just talk, talk cards.
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Sure you can do that. Yeah.
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You said they hear OK, so. I'm just not familiar with it.
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Just to get a little background, Nate, we're talking, we get on
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topic of cards and Nate says which I've, I've said this
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before myself, so I know I, I understand where he's coming
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from, but he said, you know, I feel like I'd want to get back
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in a car. So I feel like I could see
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myself. Doing it I feel like it was also
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probably too late. It feels like a hobby that I you
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could be too late to. No, I, I was bringing that up
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because I was just going to have to break the unfortunate news to
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you that it is super expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It is not what it used to be like when we were kids where you
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could just go down to Target and get a pack for like. $30.00 I
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think that that's part of that's, that's a part of the
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attraction is like if I could just hit a little impulse buy
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for 5 bucks and like find some kind of lottery ticket in there.
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But it sounds like they're not even put in those anymore.
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You got to buy specific boxes that are.
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You just get you get more of a chance with the with the more
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expensive boxes like they guarantee a certain.
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Yeah, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a Charlie and the Chocolate
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Factory golden ticket kind of guy, You know what I mean?
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Like I'm just going to scrounge up a couple quarters, go buy a
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little pack when I'm when I'm about to leave Target and.
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Yeah. See what's in there kind of
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dude, but also I don't I don't know, I it's I it's not
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something I like you just you just showed me, you know, I'm
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not going to out you, but like you just showed me a box you got
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today and I'm like, that's a round of golf and I feel like
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I'm going to enjoy the round of golf a little bit more.
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It's hard to say. Yeah, you know, I mean, you
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could still go and and and get a pack off the at at Walmart or
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Target or whatever for like 7-8 bucks, 10 bucks or less, you
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know what I mean? That's.
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What I'm saying it, it's tripled.
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It's tripled from back in the day.
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Yeah, it's not, it's not a couple.
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Bucks in there, right? Now, if you find a, if you find
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AI don't know, I think there's like 15 or 16 a lot of times I
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forget what it really is, but there's you can go if you go to
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like card shops and everything. They have like all the real
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sealed resealed products from like the from the 80s and 90s
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and you can literally pick those up for a buck apiece.
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There's nothing in them that that era is just so
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oversaturated that people repack them.
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But they're fun to open. It's got to be just like the
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rapid dopamine hits that these guys are chasing where they're
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just like, it's, it's the journey more than the the
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destination in a way, you know what I mean?
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I think if you want to, yeah. If you want to enjoy it, yes.
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Yeah. Like if you enjoy opening packs.
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I think it absolutely can. That's probably probably my
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weigh in on this. I don't know.
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I think there's still now if you'd go into it thinking this
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is just an investment and I have to hit big and the rest of the
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stuff doesn't matter, you're probably going to be let down.
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I see, I'm trying to find the balance of the tour.
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To the line. Yeah, like I, I want to enjoy
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the hobby again and I like just shortly post code COVID, like
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maybe a year or two after COVID really hit, I, I, I got back
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into it and I was like, I got to go to target and I was running
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over to like 6. I was running to like 6 targets
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in the area. No, no, I wasn't one of those
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people big time, but I was like, I was trying to get to target as
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early as I could. I mean, I wasn't waking up at
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like 4:00 in the morning, but I was like trying to go over there
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as early as I could. I, I did make a stop before work
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and I was like, that's crazy. I need to do that.
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Yeah, yeah. And I was like, this just isn't
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worth it anymore. But I, I, I'm trying to toe the
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line of wanting to get back into the hobby.
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So if somebody can convince me to get back into it, but I'm
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trying to get back into it for the sake of the hobby, but also
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be like, I mean, I I wouldn't be upset if I like landed on a on a
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on a. Maybe we do a little something
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like when we link up for a trip, maybe that's maybe that's what.
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We do we. Get like one of those cool boxes
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that are like can almost kind of guarantee something legit.
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And then we just, yeah, we just see what we do.
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And then it's a little content situation, you know?
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I'll be honest with you, the more you spend, the better
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chance you have of heartbreak. Yeah, see that because?
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You go, bro, find the sweet spot, yeah?
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Yeah, you're looking for that auto and you get, you know.
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It'd be kind of cool because we do the, we go to the memorabilia
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shops every time we go do a new city anyway.
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So like, I think that that'd be a good call.
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What do you think? You like that idea?
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It can. I think that's enough to scratch
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the itch maybe. We strike the balance of like
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still going to like the top shelf memorabilia shops that we
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can find like with the stuff that we really like and enjoy.
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It's got the good quality stuff, but then back countering that
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with just like, hey, let's just go pick up what Targets best
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product, Walmart's best product and then just see see what we
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land on. I don't want to spend like.
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It's going to be a box like this.
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Yeah, like I don't want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars
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on it, but right, Enough to scratch the edge.
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Thinking that number. No, but you know, I'm telling
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you, dude, you once you start that once you once that ball
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gets rolling, you're like I I got to get.
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Back you're just feeding and. This is like 30 bucks.
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There's 56 cards in here, so you've got some packs, you know
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what I mean? Like.
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Yeah, you've got that there. There is a sensation of doing it
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like I, I did that with my, with my little sister's boyfriend at
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one point. Like they went and dropped like
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I was like, how do you guys don't have any money spending
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$250 at a card shop Then then they were like here you can open
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one. I'm like, I kind of, it's nice.
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To be here, it takes you back, man.
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It takes you back. Oh yeah.
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It's checks. It checks a box for we.
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Need to stop talking about it because I'm going to just see if
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I can beat Target before they close tonight when we get off
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here. Anyway, let's talk.
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Let's talk ball start current events.
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The the D backs little active, we'll start there.
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We'll start with Merrill Kelly, the latest on Cattell Marte, but
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we'll start with Merrill Kelly bringing him back on a 2 year
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$40 million deal, bringing him back, emphasizing back he they
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shipped them off to Texas what at the deadline and now he is
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back in AZ. Do we like this move?
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Do we? Do we have concerns about this
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being their current? Well, where?
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Gordon Burns isn't anywhere near returning.
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Yeah, So does he slot in is like their?
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I don't know, I mean. Still the in the top of the
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rotation. It's just a matter of when
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everybody gets healthy, when everybody gets right.
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Yeah, I mean, he's, I want us. I feel that you deep down in in
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my gut that he's a little bit of an innings eater.
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I feel like that's the case. Very similar to a Zach Gallen
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just going to almost guaranteed 28 to 30 starts a year and and
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get into that 100 and 6000 and 80 inning range.
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I feel like that's and you need those guys.
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I don't know if I would want my rotation being led.
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By a guy like that. No disrespect, but you need
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them. Let's see, what are we looking
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at? So yeah, I was going to, I was
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going to. I got the numbers here.
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Came into the league at 30, by the way, in 2019, like, you
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know, kind of late to the game, but 183 innings and then 21158
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and 27 starts 200 innings and 33177 2/3 and 30 starts 24 only
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13 starts and really 22330 seven 23329.
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These are eras in that 13 start season. 4 O 3.
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But then right back to let's just talk Arizona for now, 22
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starts. He made 10 in in Texas, But
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while he was with Arizona 22 starts in a 322 ERA and and
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totaled for the season 184 innings innings.
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Eater sometimes gets a a negative light shine, but you
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need them that that is value. Oh yeah, 100%.
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I mean, I, I'd like to see them do a little bit more.
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I, you just go back a couple years ago and you remember how
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good they were on the offensive side and you're just like, if,
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if they can get back to that in a way.
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I know there's been some names that have changed, obviously,
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but like it's still, there's still a core that you can
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believe in. I think there's probably other
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guys that need to like take those next steps and kind of
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step into what they should be. But you get a little pitching
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going. It's strange to me to be like a
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surprise. I feel like you were gifted
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Corbin Burns. You know, Corbin Burns is like,
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hey, I, I like it here, let's figure it out.
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And it would feel like such a waste.
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I know he's out on injury and like you can't push all your
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chips in the middle of the table necessarily while he's out, but
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like it feels strange to not support him a little bit more
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and like make that a true strength, especially with some
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young controllable bats. I was really hoping E rod would
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have been more than what he's been and I'm I was really hoping
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that fought would have been a little more than what at least
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at least what he gave you last year.
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But yeah, I'm with you. The like the ceiling is maybe
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higher than some would expect for a team like the
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Diamondbacks, but they got they to your point, they got to do
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more to give you a reason to believe that that would actually
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be achieved and. I just, I think that they're
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very underrated offensively. Like, I think I would put
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Perdomo up as one of the most underrated players in baseball
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and I would say he's easily a top 10 shortstop and does not
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get the credit for it. And he's going to step into some
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real good stuff. And, and I know we can get into
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like Catal Marte because obviously there's some updates
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lately, but like. Let's get into it.
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I'm interested to see how that goes.
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There's rumors around maybe being in on Bregman.
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You they have other pieces, you know, Jordan Lawler and then
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who's there other oh, who's that other young infielder?
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He's got a cool name. I don't remember it, but you
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know, Alec Thomas had a good year, I think.
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Didn't he have a good year last year?
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Kind of came into the scene a little bit more ish, maybe a
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second-half. Gordon Carroll's a stud,
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obviously, like Gabby Moreno needs to be what they moved him,
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You know, they made that move for him.
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I'm just kind of ready to see them take the next step.
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I don't know if last year was the norm or if it was, you know,
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or if two years ago was a fluke. Like I can't figure it out well.
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Let's let's dive a little deeper in.
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The Marte thing as it stands right now is owed 102 and a half
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million over the next six seasons.
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But as we very well know at this point is certainly being floated
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around the league tied to a few teams, two of which I think we
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know for certain being the Red Sox and the Mariners have been
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directly linked slash interested.
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I I'm trying to think if there's been anybody else in the last
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couple days, it's any teams that have surfaced.
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If there's a team not interested I I think I'd be more surprised.
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Yeah, but I mean no disrespect what a team like the Pirates can
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say that they're interested. And it's just as, as we know
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with a team like and I'm I'm just picking on you, Josh.
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It's but it it could really be any team like in in the same
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ballpark, if you will. But it's like you would have, as
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we've seen just this offseason, like you'd have to overpay in
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order to draw them to your club. And I just don't know.
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Well, I mean, that's that's talking more free agents.
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But in in a, in a situation of a trade, I just think you would
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need more infrastructure in place to to really, you know,
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make it worth your while. And I just don't know.
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I don't know if a lesser tier team would be interested in
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doing that. So the the two things,
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obviously, I mean, you speak at the Pirates, they're on his
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limited no trade list along with the Yankees, the Giants, the
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A's, the Cardinals. Like yeah, like the Cardinals
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are, you know, at first you thought it was maybe location
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based, but I, I don't really understand what that list is.
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But either way, you would have to, I mean, for a team like the
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Pirates, you would have to convince Marte that it's worth
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it, you know what I mean? Because he's got to wave that no
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trade. So that would be difficult.
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But the the Diamondbacks are in a different situation because of
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the 10 and five rights, which I think is like 10 games into the
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season it with the Diamondbacks, he will reach 10 and five
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rights. It's a really good point.
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And then he has full veto ability to every trade.
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Yeah. So the Diamondbacks are also
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kind of they're motivated to move him for that reason.
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Yeah. Because if they do want to move
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him, it's now like. Second base is is there's.
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It's not exactly a very deep position across the league and I
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don't I feel like it's he's out of steals contract wise.
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I think it's a great number. That's, and I get the how that
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could bring on more attraction because it's so tradable, but
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like, I don't know, man, it's just, he's been so good there.
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And I, I feel like if you have all these other pieces and you
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can kind of take those next steps.
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I don't know. It's Diamondbacks are
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interesting to me. Blaze Alexander was, was the
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name I was trying to think of. By the way, that is a stud.
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There's basically like 3. They have 3 short stops that
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they need to figure out what to do with between Pradomo Blaze
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and Jordan Lawler. And I think that's why I could
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tell Marte is somewhat movable if they are in on an Alex
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Bregman. I know they just reportedly came
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out as like maybe like the dark horse team or a surprise team.
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Mr. Dream? Yeah.
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Kicking the tires on him that would obviously mean, which is
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what for certain could tell move.
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That's what Nightingale reported.
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And then I don't know if you saw, but Carabas, who has the
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direct connection there, Direct Line to Bregman, confirmed that
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it was more than that, like it was a step beyond step maybe 2
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beyond that. So don't be surprised if if we
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see the Sox miss out on the opportunity to bring him back,
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which would just be laughable after the the Devers saga.
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So with that said, if that is in fact the way this thing goes,
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whether it's to the Diamondbacks or who whoever else, if they if
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they miss out on the chance to bring him back, look to the Red
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Sox as a team. And I think this is well within
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the works already as a team who would be after a guy like Marte
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because you need you need some, some strength in that infield.
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And right now you've got a Trevor story, you've got Marcelo
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Meyer in the mix, who you can't necessarily rely on health wise.
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And you're needing, you're needing some power.
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And I mean no disrespect, but it if you're looking to bring in
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the power via Catelle Marte, you're I know what he's done.
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But to to point to a second baseman as a solution to your
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lack of power, the infield, that's a little alarming to me.
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Again, what he's done has been great.
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I'm not, I'm not taking anything away from him, but I'd, I would
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just hope that there'd be because you missed out on you
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missed out on Schwarber, you know, in a in ADH role, you
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missed out on Alonso. Yeah.
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So I don't know what's going to happen, but I would as, as Josh
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was sort of alluding to, I, I would not be surprised if he's
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moved sooner rather than later. And you do bring up like the
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match too, of like the Diamondbacks.
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The outfield could probably use a little bit of love, right?
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Like you got an aging Lourdes Gourriel and, you know, Corbin
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Carroll's Corbin Carroll. But like, they kind of rotate
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between Jake McCarthy and Alec, Alec Thomas and center like, and
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with an extra outfielders that the Red Sox have, it does seem
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like that could be a little bit of something plus some youth.
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The Sox are great trade partners with a lot of team.
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Well, I won't say a lot, but a few, a few teams, namely the
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Diamondbacks, the Royals. For that too.
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The Mariners with the the pitching that the Red Sox were,
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I mean, it's a little different now with some of the additions
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or just shifts in the landscape there that they've seen.
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But yeah, there there's a few teams out there that would suit
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very well with the Red Sox, but we shall see where.
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Do you think Cattell goes not Boston to go?
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Where does he go? Not Boston.
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That's all I know. I, I'm, I'm back in my, I'm back
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in my. How would you describe it?
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I don't want to say helpless stage, but I'm I'm just, I'm
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just at a point where I'm. I'm just kind of like, I'll
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believe it when I see it. Like it we're you you gave us
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glimpses of with like the crochet trade and then signing
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Bregman. But how's the Bregman thing
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working out right now? So it's like I'm going to need
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something a little more sustainable to believe that, you
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know, they would actually be able to bring in a guy like
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Marte. So I'm because of that.
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I I see him going elsewhere. So maybe, maybe Seattle is a
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team that's. Back to Seattle.
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Could get them, yeah, they're linked to them, so we'll see.
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So I think the biggest thing for for Arizona is pitching.
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I think that's what they want back, even more so than
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outfield. Red Sox obviously have that.
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I don't. I don't know what Seattle has to
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offer as far as game ready. And and if what if Arizona, you
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know, kind of gets cold feet on this and just goes out and signs
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another pitcher, then all of a sudden they don't have to move
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him. It's a great contract for anyone
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else. It's a great contract for them
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still. That's what I'm saying, Like I
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don't, I don't think I I understand that, you know,
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incoming 10 five rights, but it's like I would hang on to
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that man. He's been great.
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He's obviously a great fit and I don't think they're that far off
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from contending for a wild card. I'd keep him.
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Speaking of contract, how do we feel about the Hassan Kim $20
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million deal to go play in Atlanta for a year?
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Look, I'm a I'm a Hassan Kim truther, but it's.
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A lot of money. I mean for a year of Hassan Kim
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and I'm seeing, I'm seeing all these Braves fans like, oh, we
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have a real shortstop. It's no, you have you.
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Welcome to the world of having a a revolving door infielder.
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We've been dealing with this at second base.
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As I was just talking about. We like I I, I've, I've seen
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this story before. You don't have a real shortstop.
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You just have the next guy up essentially.
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And I know, I'm, I mean, I know he was there for a little bit
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last year, but it's like until, unless you make this a long term
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thing, which apparently Anthropolis was interested in
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making happen is what I read. Or that there were some, some
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disagreement, I guess on final numbers that maybe or that
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ultimately let it to just being a one year deal.
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But if, if there's an extension in play, then OK, then you've
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got your, your shortstop. But as of right now, you've just
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got, you've just got a guy there.
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I what's strange to me is that I feel like I get the maybe not
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wanting to over commit, but I, I think 2 years 20 would have got
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it done. Like I think Hassan Kim would
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have been like, yeah, sign me up for that.
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You know what I mean? And then, you know, if it
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doesn't pan out, it's like release them.
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Who cares? It's only 10 million now.
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It's one year 20. That makes you almost kind of
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force yourself into being like, we got to give him a real shot
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this this year, the trade for Dubon or that was it a signing
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for Dubon? I think it's trade.
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I like the athleticism of Dubon and it's just odd.
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I don't know. I don't.
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It's a glaring hole. It's been a glaring hole and
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they're just not addressing it the way anyone would think.
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They're making very odd decisions.
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No disrespect. I think the Walt Weiss higher.
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I know he's in house, but it's just like that doesn't do
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anything for me. It doesn't really shake up the
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way you wanted to shake up. I'm caught in between.
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I'm on the fence. They have so much talent.
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Let's just chalk last year up as a fluke.
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But like, why are we still not addressing the very obvious
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problems? I don't want to think of them.
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I like him, I really do. And I know I said that earlier,
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but I, I really do like him. But it's just if you're, if
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you're a team like the the Braves, I just feel like you've
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got to be more aggressive in your pursuit of a position like
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shortstop and, and identifying and you.
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I mean, granted, they've I, I'm still of the belief that they've
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missed their opportunity on this.
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They've missed the boat multiple times leading up to this point.
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So it's not like, Oh well, this is a new problem they've they've
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missed out on on multiple guys. I feel like, but is this just
24:46
like a kick in the cane down the road kind of thing?
24:48
Like you're not I, you're the Atlanta Braves.
24:51
You're not a team that should just be.
24:53
And this goes for so many more teams than just the Braves.
24:56
I, I say the same thing about the Red Sox all the time.
24:58
The Yankees are another team where I'm just like you.
25:00
You're better than then these one term, these one year deals.
25:04
Like I, I, I've said before, I, I think one year deals need to
25:08
be banned. I, there's nothing more that
25:10
just grinds my gears than one year deals.
25:13
It's like from the, and I, I understand that it's not super
25:17
practical to, to implement that, but just like from the
25:20
perspective of a fan and I understand it's a business, but
25:23
like nothing is worse than just having a guy sign on for 162
25:27
games and then he's gone. Like it's just that and and you
25:33
don't you don't create any opportunity for momentum with a
25:40
given guy that you bring in. And so a situation, a situation
25:43
like this, it's like this, this long term marriage that
25:47
Anthopolis is quoted as saying that he wanted.
25:49
It's like, if that doesn't pan out, it's like, OK, well,
25:51
there's there goes house on Kim on to the next one year deal.
25:55
It's like when does the when does the revolving door stop?
25:59
I'll say I'm sure it's a money thing.
26:02
I'm not going to sit here and dive into money.
26:07
I feel like this says, I feel like this almost puts the nail
26:11
in the coffin on Boba. Shet it short.
26:15
Because that to me seems like the most obvious move for the
26:18
Braves. That seemed to me like, yeah,
26:21
make that happen somehow. And if you need to make a trade
26:24
to shed some some some money weight, then that's what you
26:28
need to do. But like I, Beau Bichette just
26:31
seemed like a slam dunk here. And maybe there's more to him
26:38
not being a long term shortstop than what we're even talking
26:43
about this offseason. To this extent.
26:45
I think we could probably go deeper into it and assume that
26:49
it's like a for sure thing now, right?
26:51
Like well. He came out and said or I maybe
26:53
not him exactly, but his camp basically came out and said that
26:55
they're open to moving to 2nd, which is just all, all leverage
26:59
goes out the window. Like once you reach that point
27:02
in the in the process, you can kiss shortstop goodbye if you're
27:05
over shit. But I don't, I don't know.
27:09
Man rather take the money though, in a way.
27:11
Yeah. So just for a couple things on
27:16
money, Hassan Kim was projected by both MLB Trade Rumors and Fan
27:20
Graphs to make 15,000,000 a year.
27:25
So those were two years and three years on those on the
27:29
different sites. And so they're they're not going
27:33
deep. So that's 30 million and
27:35
45,000,000. So in order to get him for one
27:38
year, it's 20 million, Kyle. I will say there's no such thing
27:41
as a bad one year deal, everyone.
27:44
Of him is good. No, I know, but I just again,
27:47
it's selfish but like just going back to the perspective of like
27:50
a fan or just I don't know just general clubhouse chemistry just
27:58
the I just general clubhouse chemistry general clubhouse
28:01
chemistry. It's just like, I don't know, I
28:05
know you can't bring, you can't outfit your line up with 6789
28:10
year deals everywhere, but I don't know, I just, I, I hate
28:17
seeing the reports of a guy signing for one year.
28:20
Which brings us to Adolis Garcia.
28:22
Too this early. Think about that.
28:24
Yeah, plenty of time. He had plenty of time as I'm
28:28
sure other people were interested.
28:30
I think that is part of the the Braves though, being aggressive,
28:34
you know what I mean? Like going out and and getting
28:37
Iglesias and Suarez and like just doing what they're doing.
28:40
They just had a really bad year, so I think getting him and and
28:45
shooting high is being aggressive and I don't know,
28:49
yeah, if you're not ready to make him part of your core A1
28:52
year deal, you could do worse. Well, it's not.
28:55
I know we can move on in a SEC. Is there a a clear cut shortstop
29:00
hitting free agency next year that like it's a good like, oh,
29:04
the Braves are maybe kicking the can down the road for this?
29:08
There are a few things in baseball I hate more than one
29:10
year Deals and positional platoons.
29:14
Oh. Yeah, I mean, I, I think it's
29:18
just it's kind of taken over and and that's the whole fall of the
29:21
analytics too, you know, 'cause it's, I love utility guys.
29:25
I love that one guy that you can pretty much put it in any
29:28
infield position or a fourth outfielder that can play all.
29:31
No, but that's a utility guy I'm talking about.
29:33
Saying like this now analytics is like, let's go right, left at
29:37
every position, as as many positions as we can.
29:40
And it's like it's, it's exhausting and it's ridiculous.
29:44
And it wins games. Oh, sorry.
29:46
No. Just like put, it's so stupid
29:50
because I like, I get it. Anything that anything that
29:53
you're going to say to like the analytics and what the data
29:55
says, it's going to it's going to be met with like, well, yeah.
29:59
But this system is, is proven to be able to give you the the
30:03
better, better odds of winning more games.
30:05
It's like, OK, whatever. But just like as a as a simple
30:08
minded, just consumer of the game, it's like, can we just go
30:14
back to having your best nine guys out there and just let them
30:17
go out and play 150 games a year?
30:20
And that's that's why I, I can't stand the left on left stuff
30:23
that we try to avoid. It's like it's it's just
30:27
annoying. And I think that the further we
30:29
get down this road, the more those stats are going to do it
30:32
because it's like, well, yeah, this lefty hitter is only
30:35
getting so many lefty at bats. Of course the stats are going to
30:40
be in his favor. And then it's, I don't know,
30:41
it's just pouring more into the narrative versus because when we
30:45
do get to post season time, it is your best 9 and it is just
30:49
we're going to roll these guys out here no matter what.
30:50
You're not doing the platoon stuff.
30:53
So it's this give and take of like, do I want to load up wins
30:56
in the regular season and then completely flip my strategy the
30:59
postseason or, you know, try to ride it out the way a normal
31:03
baseball season should be? Post postseason baseball gives
31:07
you the best form of baseball. And I know that may sound
31:10
obvious to some, but like all of the things that we love about
31:14
baseball come out, come to the surface for the postseason.
31:17
You're sticking your best nine guys in there for all nine
31:21
innings. You're seeing small ball, you're
31:23
seeing hit and runs, you're seeing just high IQ baseball
31:28
play. You're seeing all of it.
31:29
You're seeing manage proper management of the bullpens.
31:33
You're you're seeing the whole package.
31:34
And we're told it's not good enough for 162, Which not the
31:38
right route to go for 160. It's like if you're trying, if
31:41
that's the system you're using to win the most important games
31:44
of the season, why is that philosophy or philosophy is not
31:47
being applied to the entirety of the season.
31:50
But I digress. We need to move on to Adolis
31:53
Garcia. Going back to my Segway from
31:55
like 30 minutes ago, talking about talking about a one year
32:00
deal with Hassan Kim, another one year deal and Adolis Garcia,
32:04
my favorite thing in baseball, one year deals.
32:08
Ten $10 million with the Phills. This all but kicks old Nicky C
32:16
to the curb. How do we feel about Adolis?
32:24
I my take was that this felt like a position.
32:29
Did we? We talked about this last week
32:31
with the Phillies, didn't we, about shaking things up and like
32:34
certain guys could afford to be moved and other guys come in.
32:37
I don't know. Rinse repeat every other episode
32:40
it feels like. Yeah, but like with to me, this
32:43
felt like a position where, I mean, I love me some some Nicky
32:47
C from time to time, but this just felt like one of those guys
32:51
that you could afford to part ways with to, to rock the boat,
32:56
but not rock it to the point of like, OK, this is an
32:59
unrecognizable team because I I don't think you have to go that
33:02
far, but some of these guys, you just need to.
33:06
Months hearing about their their tiff between him and Rob
33:09
Thompson. Like it's just it.
33:10
It's staring me right in the face.
33:12
I think this move all but solidifies it, like you said,
33:16
and I, I like the potential out of Adolis Garcia more than I, I
33:23
think we know what Nick Castianos is at this point in
33:26
his career. I, I don't know how he grades
33:29
defensively. I do feel like he does pretty, I
33:32
think the arm is terrible, but he does pretty well with the
33:35
glove. It seems.
33:37
I feel like a lot of flashy plays.
33:39
And then maybe it's one of those like, well, the analytics say
33:43
that he's like just got terrible range, but.
33:46
Well, yeah, the flashiness I, I think comes as a result of his
33:49
inability or or lack of. Agility have range.
33:52
To make probably, you know, routine plays.
33:55
That's what it is. I'm sure he's I don't know how
33:58
fans view him, actually. I was going to say he's a fan
34:00
favorite, but I don't know. Yeah, this seems like a a no
34:05
brainer. I I think Adolos Garcia is a
34:09
superhero in in a baseball uniform, and if he can figure
34:13
out what to do with the plate, it's like that might be one of
34:19
the most underrated signings of the offseason.
34:23
Nick Castianos is famously one of the worst outfielders in
34:26
baseball. Yeah, no, but I get, I get what
34:29
he's saying. Catches, Yeah, a lot of like,
34:31
yeah, but it goes back to his lack of yeah, defensive.
34:35
Ability it it really, it's not just the arm, it's range, it's
34:38
reads, it's the whole thing. Yeah, he plays hard.
34:42
So the sliding catches are something that maybe somebody
34:44
else just catches on a run. Yeah.
34:46
And Adolis Garcia is actually like above, well above average
34:51
defensively so. I think he's, I think he's
34:53
great. I I like Adoli.
34:55
Caste lot. I'm surprised there weren't more
34:59
fishing for him. Shooters.
35:01
The whole thing didn't make sense, the DFA or not or
35:04
anything. Cass the on Fender.
35:09
Cassie Infamous. Infamously said didn't he in the
35:13
postseason that he was it was after a diving catch and it was
35:17
he was like, well, yeah, because it's the postseason.
35:20
That's why I did that. It's like this is the guy that
35:23
just flips the switch when he when he chooses and that's
35:28
that's the kind of guy that you're sticking out and and
35:30
right. Whoever gets him.
35:31
Yeah, which I'm the. The Lee has.
35:34
To be aware of that. So I think they're more just
35:36
looking to see if they can tap into maybe a little bit of
35:39
what's left and and hope they they hit the lottery with with
35:42
that, I mean. Maybe he's in.
35:47
Is it ideal or too ideal if he's packaged with an Alec Baum?
35:54
Wouldn't hate it. And then they go get Bregman.
35:58
I mean, that would be that would be a great.
36:00
A offseason. If I was in Philly, I'd be
36:03
thrilled with that. Bring back Schwarz.
36:07
That's a big shake up I can. Easily see that happening.
36:10
And then you text me immediately after it happens and said I need
36:13
you to track down that clip of me calling this and then I
36:16
proceed to make make the clip. It'd be great.
36:21
It's very rare. I can see it happening.
36:26
Jorge Polanco Mets and Polanco in agreement on a 2 year, $40
36:30
million deal. Mets Man, what a weird.
36:39
What a weird off season this has been.
36:41
They go get Polanco. Today they announced that they
36:45
they signed Luke Weaver to a two year, $22 million deal.
36:51
Go ahead, Nate, the floor is yours.
36:53
I mean, we can, we can talk about them individually, but it
36:56
seems as though you have a broader take about just the Mets
36:59
in general. They just love our our.
37:01
Leftovers, they just love Yankee leftovers, dude.
37:04
It's and it's going back a long time.
37:08
This is nothing new. I mean, you're talking Weaver.
37:12
Obviously, but you know, just the the moves they've made in
37:14
general have have raised some some questions about what the
37:19
vision is. I think there's a lack of
37:21
vision. I I don't quite know.
37:24
I mean, I liked Luke Weaver. I think he was one of those guys
37:28
were like where he was having success and I didn't understand
37:32
why. And then you're just like, oh,
37:35
he's got like a pretty confident vibe and he's just kind of cool.
37:40
That was it. Because like when you look at
37:42
his stuff, it's like, I don't see how you're not getting
37:45
crushed. I don't I don't see how you're
37:47
in Then all the sudden the second-half of last season
37:49
happens and you're like, oh, there it is.
37:52
No confidence in the postseason. Gave up very big important home
37:56
runs. So kind of a rough way to go
37:59
out. But maybe this is something
38:03
attractive for the Mets. I don't know if they liked Clay
38:05
Holmes and then same story with him.
38:09
Better stuff. By the way, I think Clay Holmes
38:12
is nasty. Luke Luke Weaver is just newly
38:17
minted Team USA. Participant, by the way.
38:21
Yeah, close. Yeah, I don't know.
38:24
Man, I don't know what they're doing.
38:26
It's maybe just closer by committee.
38:29
The Yankees. Tried both of these guys.
38:31
In the closer role, we'll do the same.
38:34
I don't know between him and Devin Williams and then Jorge
38:37
Blanco moving to first base, I don't I they're letting names
38:43
go. I understand a shake up but like
38:47
they're letting names go and then like not feeling it with
38:52
right like I. Understand.
38:54
I'm so confused I. Understand if you've.
38:57
Got issue with Pete Alonso and you just you, you realize you,
39:01
you feel that you've reached the end of that chapter, but to
39:05
respond with putting Jorge Polanco at first base in place
39:10
of Alonso. I I don't see the vision.
39:17
Me neither don't see the vision. Would you rather?
39:21
Polanco 3rd Vientos first I think.
39:25
Vientos is probably gone. I think he gets moved is that I
39:28
mean that could be Beatty. Right, Beatty at 3rd.
39:31
So they're just moving on from Vientos.
39:33
I mean, they're, they're obviously trying to get
39:35
defenses. This is.
39:37
Just. It's just.
39:38
Weird man, this is a strange back-to-back off seasons are
39:43
strange. I got Juan Soto is a duh like
39:47
great job like that's it. That's a huge contract.
39:50
It's AI. Don't.
39:52
I'm not saying. Anything about that but like?
39:54
Let's turn Clay Holmes into a starter.
39:56
Like let's not let's ignore starters and go get a closer and
39:58
make him a starter. Let's let a starter who's as a
40:03
proven track record to your go and let's go.
40:06
Or, excuse me, a closer with a proven track record.
40:09
Go and then let's follow it up with two questionable.
40:12
Closers who you know. Hopefully one of them pans out.
40:15
I don't. When did the Frankie Montaz
40:17
thing? Happened.
40:18
Was that this past year? Yeah.
40:20
And then like let's. Brandon Nimmo leads.
40:26
I wouldn't say leads, but he's in like.
40:27
A category of a lot of offensive stats as far as leaders go in
40:32
Mets history, and they ship him out of town.
40:36
Now there's talks about like, is there was there a rift between
40:40
Lindor and Nimmo? Is there a rift between?
40:44
Lindor and. Soto, which I call it by the
40:47
way, the second Soto sign there that Lindor was no longer the
40:51
guy and no longer the face of the franchise.
40:54
And what that would do, it's it's very hodgepodgey.
40:58
It's. I feel like everyone can.
41:02
See it except them and they. Think they're the smartest man
41:06
in the. Room and when we get to the end
41:08
of next season, you're like I freaking told you this was a
41:12
mess to begin with. Right now they're looking at a
41:16
projected. Lineup of Lindor, Simeon, Soto,
41:20
Polanco, Vientos, McNeil, Alvarez, Beatty and Carson.
41:26
Binge I I like Jorge Polanco. I like him in the right role.
41:34
I think he had a good year last year.
41:36
If you use him and put him in the right lineup, and when I'm
41:40
saying right lineup, I'm saying he's playing second base and
41:43
he's hitting in this 678 hole, not four behind a A.
41:50
Generational hitter. Said it last episode.
41:54
Soto is going to have 160 walks dude.
41:58
Because no one. Jorge Blanco is not scaring
42:01
anybody. There's no protection behind
42:03
him. Yeah, that's crazy.
42:11
What else is crazy? No, I'm just kidding.
42:14
It's not really. Crazy, but we got to talk well.
42:19
We don't even really have to talk to him, but he's.
42:21
Next in line, Kenley Jansen. We got there eventually Kenley
42:25
Jansen signing a one year deal and I'm only including like I in
42:29
fact, I left, I left off names that signed larger deals in
42:36
favor of of Kenley just because giving him the respect he's owed
42:41
for the career he's had. But All in all, not a move that
42:45
necessarily moves the needle. But did sign a one year deal
42:49
with the Tigers has a club option option for 2027.
42:54
I saw today that he. He said he wanted to pitch for
43:00
at least. Four more years.
43:02
He's 38, obviously the league's active save leader.
43:07
He's got 476 saves over 16 years.
43:13
Two away from tying. Lee Smith, that's Hall of Famer
43:16
Lee Smith to you for third all time so.
43:23
What's with pitchers in their late?
43:25
30s saying like I'm for sure going to want to play for
43:28
another four years. Like I mean who outside of
43:30
Verlander? Has has said that.
43:34
I think Scherzer said it, didn't he?
43:36
Well, Scherzer's a. Psycho but.
43:38
Point second Jamie Moyer probably said it.
43:41
Jamie Moyer said he. Probably said it at 38, said it
43:44
again at 40. 858 Yeah, let's. Push this thing to 60.
43:49
Satchel Paige came back. How about that?
43:55
But yeah, I, I don't know. I mean, it's not AI.
43:59
Don't. Hate it?
44:01
But it's just, I think we're still trying to figure out what
44:06
direction the Tigers are moving this this coming year.
44:09
Because as we talked, was it last episode we talked about the
44:12
the scuba reports of him possibly being floated in some
44:16
trade conversation. It's like what what trajectory
44:22
are the are the Tigers taking this year?
44:23
Because I don't know. I don't know that.
44:25
I mean, granted, not that there's like a huge market for
44:29
back end relievers slash closers at the moment, but yeah, I don't
44:34
know. JBI don't know if you got his
44:35
numbers pulled up but I feel like Kenley had his like figured
44:40
A. Little bit out.
44:42
I think there was a weird lull or. 29 to 30 saves last year.
44:46
Yeah. So like I said, he stopped.
44:48
Like dominating. With the cutter and then it
44:50
became like, let's get more forcing fastball in.
44:54
And then the Vilo came back mixed in with a, you know, an
44:59
awesome cutter. I think there's been a.
45:01
Little bit of like a. A pitch mix and then a Vilo ad
45:06
that's made him a little more underrated lately.
45:11
It takes a lot to. Change.
45:14
Your your game like. This was the lowest strikeout
45:17
per nine he's ever had and but the the ERA was as good as
45:22
better than it's been since 2021.
45:25
The innings the most since 22. The the WHIP is the lowest he's
45:30
had since 2017. So yeah, I mean, definitely
45:36
figured some things out. Yeah, I.
45:39
Like it, relievers can. Go a little longer, right?
45:44
Sure, I mean. Yeah, but I'm.
45:46
Getting at a time. Sure.
45:47
But I I guess. And I'm really not trying to
45:50
sound like a Debbie Downey here with the move.
45:52
I I'm not I'm I guess I'll just say I'm indifferent about the
45:54
move. I'm not fired up about it, but I
45:56
also don't hate it. But it his at at 38.
46:00
Like him figuring it out at 3738 is a little different than
46:05
figuring out at 32. And I know I went on that rant
46:09
last episode about we need to stop treating guys that are on
46:13
the other side of 30 is if they're 95, but he's got some
46:18
miles on that arm, man, like he's he's been around the block.
46:22
So I just wonder like what's what's left there?
46:24
And and like I said, what, what did I say 2929 to 30 save
46:29
opportunities last year? So I'm not, I'm not writing them
46:32
off, but I just wonder what you are going to be.
46:36
Adding and dropping him in fantasy next year, just like
46:40
everybody I added. Him once and kept him the
46:43
duration for the remainder of the season.
46:47
In fact, I added a role as Chapman from from free agency.
46:51
Is this that was that? Was the steal.
46:54
Of of the year. Go ahead and let everyone know
46:56
you drop though. You did win the league, so I
46:58
don't know. Yeah, it doesn't really matter.
47:00
I. Mean, I mean back-to-back, but
47:02
who's really counting the the guy that I dropped was Nick
47:07
Kurtz, but I, we don't I need to talk about that because I had
47:13
I'd handled my business elsewhere around the diamond.
47:15
So I'm pretty I don't like. Fantasy.
47:18
I feel like the more blessed I am in real life, the worse my
47:21
life in fantasy gets. Just getting worse.
47:25
So what does that say about my life then?
47:28
You tell me. I I.
47:31
It's not. I don't.
47:32
Think it's a I. Think it's a formula that
47:34
everyone follows. I'm just saying me personally, I
47:37
don't know. I mates.
47:39
Mates over here, I suck in fantasy, but I tell you what
47:42
man, I am blessed. Meanwhile I've I've gone
47:44
back-to-back over here and I tell you what, my life couldn't
47:47
be worse. Mold growing in your ceiling.
47:49
So no longer, Sir. Go ahead.
47:52
Went ahead and took care of that just like we're going to take
47:56
care of our next segment, which is one second.
48:00
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm.
48:01
Sorry, but Josh is chatty tonight, I'll tell you.
48:04
That much no disrespects out of respect for Kenley.
48:08
Jansen, we had to say something about him Respects.
48:11
No and and I'm now it's my turn. His highest season ERA is still
48:18
just 371. He never didn't have it figured
48:21
out. No but like but.
48:25
Like, look, I, I I when I'm when I say figured out, I mean like
48:28
look in the aforementioned Aroldis Chapman.
48:31
Like that's figuring it out, having having almost 30 saves it
48:37
3738. Like that's, you know, that's
48:39
figuring it out. Like something, something you
48:42
like you inevitably you're happy, by the way.
48:45
Sure. But like, you have to change
48:47
with, with age, like you, you, yeah, it's, it's well
48:50
documented, especially on the mount.
48:51
Like you have to adjust the way you attack hitters, approach
48:55
hitters. And clearly something,
48:57
something's changed there with, with Jansen.
48:59
So no disrespect to Jansen. I, I want to make that clear.
49:03
I'm just saying, you know, I just wonder if he's going to
49:09
reach that, that four year mark that he's talking about.
49:11
I I just, I don't know, hit the button?
49:17
Well now I've I've lost the momentum.
49:19
For it, but next segment is Murray.
49:24
'S Question of the week love. It Murray.
49:28
Wants to know would you rather go back in time 10 minutes or be
49:33
able to stop time for 10 minutes?
49:37
Oh, at any point or specifically right.
49:40
Now I'm interpreting this at any point.
49:43
Just having the ability to hit the rewind button, go back 1010
49:48
minutes or stop time for 10 minutes.
49:54
I'll be honest, I'm going to go ahead and say go back 10 minutes
49:58
because butterfly effect question.
50:00
No doubt but my mind when? I think stopping time, I'm
50:04
super, I'm thinking about it super linearly and I'm just
50:07
going, I would most likely use that that ability to give myself
50:15
some extra time to like think through a problem.
50:17
And I'm like, what am I really going to accomplish in 10
50:19
minutes, right? Because then if I had the clock
50:22
exactly. But if I have the ability to
50:24
just go back, it's like, Oh, I already know what I'm going back
50:26
for. Let's just go ahead and.
50:29
And and. Go with, you know, Plan B, plan
50:32
C instead of the original plan that I went with on XYZ issue.
50:37
I'll go back in time 10 minutes. And we're in business, yeah.
50:41
Yeah, I think if you're going back in time.
50:44
You think about making a mistake or getting an opportunity to do
50:48
something and just missing you go back in time.
50:51
You can even if you do the same thing but give it another try.
50:56
Place a live bet I. Already know the result?
51:00
Yeah, you know, Oh, I mean, now we're just talking.
51:03
About and we're just talking about scamming and tired
51:06
financial ecosystems. But I could.
51:09
Go back 10 minutes and not interrupt Kyle.
51:15
It's fine, I won't take it personally.
51:17
I won't take it personal or I could pause time.
51:20
And just enjoy another 10 minutes right here.
51:23
I right. So if you're like the
51:25
sentimental type, you might actually just say I want to sit
51:28
in this for a moment. I wish you wish we could know.
51:30
We're in the good old days before we've actually left them.
51:33
You know, it's a good point. No, really the only the hey
51:37
apology or or pseudo apology accepted.
51:40
No, no, no harm done on the interruption.
51:43
I was just trying to move us along to get to our final bit
51:48
here because I know that it's probably going to take a 6 1/2
51:50
hours and that is JB Josh is in the corner trivia.
51:58
I have a feeling you're going to.
52:00
Crush this because you've already started.
52:04
Yeah, but I and I tried not to say that because I didn't want
52:07
to. I didn't want to jinx it.
52:08
But you've already. You stole some of my notes
52:11
already, so I was going to. Talk Kenley Jansen A.
52:14
Little bit and talk about how he has 476.
52:18
You already said that, that he was #3 and you already said
52:21
Mariano Rivera, Trevor. Hoffman, Lee.
52:25
Smith All right, here's the here's the first.
52:31
Part of this, then let's do bonus points.
52:33
All right, let's do bonus. Points.
52:35
What's it? Take to get a save.
52:37
What are the? What are the?
52:38
What are the qualifications to get an official save?
52:42
By the way, 1969 became an official save official stat
52:48
Stat. Thank you.
52:49
Hey, you're walking. Tying run has.
52:51
To be on deck. What?
52:55
OK, so the the. First qualifier is you have to
52:57
be winning. Right, the second qualifier is.
53:03
Like the the simple, not the. Not this the the situation of
53:07
the game, but get to finish the game oh up by three or less.
53:12
That those are the, those are those other.
53:13
But like when you finish the game and you have to be winning,
53:16
right? Those are the two things that
53:18
are in all scenarios. You have to be winning when you
53:21
come in and you have to finish the game.
53:23
You can't get a save unless you finish.
53:24
OK, then there are three different criterias.
53:28
If if all things are if those first two things are are are
53:32
right. What are the three?
53:34
And you're on the right path there.
53:36
You you said tying run where on deck or maybe in the?
53:39
Hole it's on deck it well so one of.
53:44
Them is tying run in the on deck circle at the plate or on the
53:49
bases. OK, so.
53:51
On deck circle. Is that's one of them?
53:53
What's how? That's why like.
53:57
If a closer. Comes in and they're up five.
53:59
That's that doesn't count. Well, that's OK.
54:02
But yeah, if you if you come in and you're up. 3.
54:05
If you come in and you're up 3. OK, what are we finish?
54:11
That one, because there's an end to that one.
54:16
I don't it's so there's. There's no more.
54:19
Than three runs, right? No more than three runs, sure.
54:22
And then there's. One more piece to.
54:24
That. OK, let me give you a scenario.
54:30
Let me let me give you a scenario.
54:32
There's two outs, Nobody's on up three.
54:36
You bring me in, I get the last out.
54:38
Do I get a save? No, no.
54:41
So what's the? Last part of that. 3 outs.
54:43
You have to pitch at least one inning with A3 run lead.
54:47
Yeah. But if if I.
54:50
If I come into the game and the tying run is on deck or up to
54:56
bat or on the bases, I do get a save for that one out.
55:01
Oh, OK, yeah. So if it's in the hole.
55:04
You have to go full. Inning, but there's.
55:06
One more isn't. It 6.
55:09
Outs No. It's like an extended. 1.
55:13
There's an extended one we've seen. 4 outs say as before.
55:17
Well, I mean, yeah, but it's in. That criteria, I think I'm
55:20
saying what I'm saying is that like if it is like a four or
55:23
five, six runs, is it 6? Outs and four runs.
55:27
No, I. Thought it was 6.
55:29
Outs. Is it 9 outs?
55:32
Yes. So it.
55:34
Is pitch at least three innings and there is no score tied to
55:38
that one That makes sense if you finish.
55:40
The game, which is why. It's important that that the
55:42
stat became official in 69 because there were a lot of
55:45
relievers that would throw 4 innings.
55:48
No matter what the lead is, you still get a save for that.
55:51
You could be up 10 and get a save.
55:54
It's neat. I like that.
55:56
OK. So those are.
55:57
That's the criteria. But either way, like we said,
56:01
two saves behind the number three guy, which you named Lee
56:04
Smith. You've already named that.
56:07
Maybe we do a timer then it doesn't have to take.
56:09
Let's see how many players you can get in the top.
56:12
Oh, don't ask me about the top. 10 I don't OK, let's Craig
56:15
Kimbrel Craig Kimbrel. We'd we'd I feel like Nate, you
56:23
and I had this conversation. Raleigh point No, listen to what
56:26
I'm saying. We had this conversation at one
56:27
point and Dennis Eckersley's name was brought up, but he
56:32
that's what I was thinking of, not Riley Fingers.
56:34
Yeah, yeah. Well, if you listen to what?
56:36
I was saying, man, nobody's listening to me today.
56:40
The Dennis Eckersley with the stars, I think, threw off his
56:47
ability to finish top ten, right?
56:50
No. Is he in the top 10?
56:52
A. 190. Seven starts?
56:55
No, that's 197 wins. I'm sorry 361 starts still #9.
57:02
On the list and saves. So then it must have been.
57:04
We must have been. Talking like top five or
57:06
something. Oh, you know what it was?
57:08
I think it was it, it was. Did Kenley reach a, a, a
57:15
milestone this year or was it the year before?
57:18
I think it somebody reached a milestone and I think it's it's
57:22
when we were having that conversation with his name got
57:24
brought up. So it must have been, we must
57:25
have been talking like top five or something.
57:27
But anyway, OK, so how many did we got?
57:30
Five. Well, you named the 1st.
57:34
Really quickly. You named Rivera Hoffman.
57:36
You've already said Smith. We heard Kimbrel already and
57:39
we've heard Eckersley already. So we're already 6.
57:41
And Jansen, if you count Jansen. Jansen. 6 Joe Nathan there's.
57:45
There's #10 right there. Wow.
57:54
I feel like Goose Gossage didn't get.
57:56
Enough. To be tough 10.
57:59
Not. No, he was 27.
58:02
Whoa. Eric Gonyea was was a.
58:07
Peak guy. Yeah, he wasn't in there.
58:13
I don't think Smoltz closed enough.
58:21
How many we have 3000? Francisco Rodriguez, K we go.
58:27
That's number six. Yep, good, good.
58:30
K Rod Yeah, yeah, 2. More these toughies first, first
58:36
hint, both lefties, we said accurately.
58:41
Did we count? That in our counting, yeah.
58:44
Eckersley's not a. Lefty though.
58:46
No, no, sorry. I was making sure.
58:48
We got him because I couldn't remember if you mentioned him in
58:50
the mix. Yeah, ones in the Hall of Fame.
58:52
1 is not. 422. For one guy, 424 for another.
59:05
And what numbers are like what rankings?
59:07
Are these are 7 and 8, seven and eight?
59:09
Yeah, that tracks. I.
59:12
Don't. Think haters.
59:15
Up there yet, is he? No, he is #46.
59:21
Whoa. Trying to think of lefties,
59:25
that's like. That's that's your.
59:27
Closer guess equivalent of Mark Grace just throwing names.
59:32
Out there, I mean 200. And twenty save 27.
59:34
Saves and he's still active. I mean 25.
59:37
Homers for the Arizona. To bring up old.
59:41
Memories, guy. Relax.
59:44
Just let. It a memory we just.
59:46
Had the conversation a week ago, a very long distant memory.
59:51
Nate, earlier you mentioned. Raleigh.
59:53
He is number 16. Why do I feel like one of these?
1:00:00
Guys is a Dodger. I don't know.
1:00:06
So they're not OK. Cool.
1:00:09
Well, the the. Dodger was #4?
1:00:11
Kenley Jansen. That's Red Sox legend Kenley.
1:00:16
Jansen to you, Yeah. Angel Legend, Atlanta.
1:00:22
Brave. All time great Kenley Jansen, we
1:00:28
said. Kimbrell what?
1:00:31
Boston does employ a. Lot of these guys one.
1:00:36
One of the two you're trying to. Think of played for them, the
1:00:39
lefties. Right.
1:00:41
Yeah, not Papa Bonds. 11 and A and a current Boston Red Sox #12
1:00:47
How? About that a little.
1:00:51
Pap getting up there number 11. That's pretty high.
1:00:53
I'm going to guess that he's. Not going to be. #11 at the end
1:00:57
of 2026 because of who I mean still the fact that he.
1:01:00
Even reached that benchmark is impressive.
1:01:02
I wouldn't have guessed that I. Can't think of anybody.
1:01:06
We're the. OK.
1:01:07
You mentioned red. Sox.
1:01:08
We're either of the two left at one point or another employed by
1:01:12
the Red Sox. Yeah, that's why I said one of
1:01:14
them. Oh oh.
1:01:15
OK, just one. Just one of them, just one.
1:01:18
OK, the other two, three teams, but you're only.
1:01:21
Going to remember him from from. Well I only remember him from
1:01:24
1:00 so I assume that's the case.
1:01:29
Is this? Even a guy that I would know.
1:01:31
Is OK? Is this the Hall of Famer?
1:01:34
The Hall of Famer's the one. That did play for the Red Sox.
1:01:37
Oh, he did play. For the Red Sox, yeah, he did
1:01:39
play for. Oh, this is embarrassing.
1:01:46
Why am I drawing a blank right now?
1:01:48
Not sure recent Hall of Famer. Recent.
1:01:52
Like recent. Ish.
1:01:54
Let's. See if I can track down what
1:01:59
year he went. In that would.
1:02:02
Help. What are we talking?
1:02:03
About he went in. He went into the Hall of Fame in
1:02:07
20. 25 OH. Very recent.
1:02:11
Hall of Famer. What are you talking about?
1:02:16
Oh. Yeah, we just made it in.
1:02:20
Wait, Louis. Tuon.
1:02:22
No, no he didn't. Go in.
1:02:23
What am I saying? He also wasn't a closer.
1:02:32
Also he passed away. What am I even?
1:02:33
Jeff Kent. That's 26, man.
1:02:38
Shut up. Also, Josh went straight for the
1:02:42
year he got inducted, not even taking into account that he's
1:02:45
not a pitcher. Yeah, right.
1:02:49
Or left-handed. Or a closer.
1:02:53
Count it but but he. Did.
1:02:55
What he did play on the same team as this guy I think.
1:02:59
Let me check what am I missing? What?
1:03:03
I think he played. On the same team as this guy.
1:03:08
I do have to check. Red Sox Hall of Fame.
1:03:11
Yeah, he did, yeah. Closer dude.
1:03:15
Jeff Kent. Played on this.
1:03:16
Team when this guy had 44 saves in one year, Who does?
1:03:21
Jeff Kent play for He's a Blue Jay.
1:03:23
Too, wasn't he? Was he in?
1:03:27
Was. He in Astro at 1.0.
1:03:33
Maybe in 2003. Bradlidge.
1:03:39
Oh, that's. 2004 that's 2. 1004 go back one more year.
1:03:42
I don't. Brandon.
1:03:45
Bakke no. No.
1:03:46
And and many more. I mean this this.
1:03:49
Guy there, there's and many more.
1:03:51
I'm out. OK, Houston Astros is the.
1:03:53
Team that you thinking of? Wagner.
1:03:56
Billy Wagner. Oh my.
1:03:57
God and the. Last guy, you're thinking of the
1:03:59
New York Mets and a little older.
1:04:01
You're going back a little bit further.
1:04:02
Not much, but a little bit further.
1:04:04
Doc Gooden was a starter. Another guy who just said I'm.
1:04:07
Going to pitch for four more years, out lighter.
1:04:11
No. He pitched from.
1:04:13
Age 20. Three to age 44.
1:04:16
Hello. Which is how he got his 400 and.
1:04:19
24 saves I would think. New York Mets is what you're
1:04:27
really. Really.
1:04:28
He played. He played for the Mets for 14
1:04:30
years. A lefty Met.
1:04:33
He came up. With Cincinnati, but then moved
1:04:39
on to the Mets for a very long time, probably.
1:04:42
Like I said, you're you're not going to remember him from the
1:04:45
Reds. You're going to remember him
1:04:46
from the Mets. I don't know, Ball I'm.
1:04:49
Going to start my Taco Bell order on the app.
1:04:52
The last one do you? Want me to give it to you?
1:04:54
No. OK, Come on, Casey.
1:04:56
It's all up to you. It is.
1:04:58
It is all up to you. What decade he His first year
1:05:04
was 84, but his last year was 2005.
1:05:09
Arthur Rhodes. No, it's my guy.
1:05:16
Last year was 2005. Yeah, those are the only two
1:05:20
teams he played for. No, his last.
1:05:23
And final season was with the Houston Astros, but he only
1:05:26
pitched 15 innings. Give me all the.
1:05:30
Teams he played for Cincinnati, New York Mets.
1:05:33
Houston Astros Oh, so it's just a 3.
1:05:35
It's just that I. Mean 14 years.
1:05:37
With with the New York Mets and like I said, if you're going to
1:05:39
remember him. That's it.
1:05:43
Because. I mean, he led the league in
1:05:44
saves with Cincinnati, but that was 1988.
1:05:48
I'm going to take a guess his you said he came up in 88.
1:05:52
No, he came up in 84. Oh my gosh.
1:05:55
Yeah, this guy, I mean, he pitched to his 40. 4 Like I
1:05:58
said, this is another one of those I can throw four more
1:06:00
years. I'm going to.
1:06:04
I'm going to hate. Myself for missing career 289.
1:06:07
ERA that. Doesn't help me.
1:06:11
No, I'm. Just, you know, throwing some.
1:06:13
Things out there I refuse to keep met history.
1:06:16
In my brain. Give me more hints.
1:06:20
More hints. Nationality.
1:06:21
Give me nationality. He was born in Brooklyn, NY.
1:06:27
But I'm I'm going. To guess, I don't want to do
1:06:32
that. This isn't this thing's being
1:06:33
recorded and put on the Internet.
1:06:35
Sure is. I don't.
1:06:37
Want to just throw it out there? Oh my gosh.
1:06:43
I mean the dude. Needs as a mustache and he's
1:06:46
just like Ricas. Mustache I.
1:06:52
Can't. Oh, shoot.
1:06:53
Everyone had a mustache. Yeah, he's exactly.
1:06:56
What you would think everyone looked like.
1:06:59
Just look just like Keith Hernandez.
1:07:03
Oh man. Yeah, OK.
1:07:05
So I I was Italian American. Call it time of death.
1:07:13
What is it, 841? He's still alive.
1:07:18
JF initials JF. Any guesses there?
1:07:25
Julio Franco. According to one of your shorts.
1:07:29
Recently, there are no current players with this first name
1:07:32
John. John, John.
1:07:38
Franklin, John. Fernandez That was so close,
1:07:42
John. Franklin, That was very.
1:07:44
Close, John. Francisco, John.
1:07:46
John Frank. John Francona.
1:07:49
Oh, that was even closer. John Franconia.
1:07:53
Less letters, less John Franco. Hey, wait, didn't you say?
1:07:59
That. John Franco No.
1:08:01
Really. Oh, Franco.
1:08:05
I miss like the same thing, right?
1:08:07
Yeah, John. Franco I How about it?
1:08:10
How about it? Excellent job everyone.
1:08:14
Good job. Incorrectly predicted.
1:08:16
That we would crush that yet again.
1:08:18
I mean, you got, you got. Like 80% there very quickly.
1:08:23
I mean, yeah, but half of the two. 114th place, So yeah, well.
1:08:29
Well. I don't, I don't take much
1:08:30
pride. In getting half the half the
1:08:32
list when it's like one of the most obvious top fives in
1:08:38
baseball record history. Yeah, give me Mariano Rivera,
1:08:42
Trevor Hoffman, the guy that we just talked about.
1:08:45
So I don't take much pride in getting those because that's
1:08:48
that just feels like cheating. Don Franco.
1:08:51
But you know. Hey, good effort.
1:08:53
Good effort tonight I think I'm going to get some Nacho fries.
1:08:56
That's great. We'll, we'll, we'll.
1:08:58
Bring it next time. Speaking of which, next time
1:09:00
what it when is going to be next time?
1:09:02
Are we are we canning it for 2025?
1:09:05
Wow, that's crazy to say out loud.
1:09:07
Feel like we got to right because next Wednesday is Chris.
1:09:14
Maybe. Who knows, maybe we maybe we
1:09:17
squeeze one in like Tuesday. Give people or traveling a
1:09:22
little something, something I don't know.
1:09:23
We'll see. Works for me if it works for you
1:09:25
guys. No promises, but.
1:09:27
Just throwing it out there. Good stuff.
1:09:31
Don't go chase curveballs we got.
1:09:36
To work on maybe a sign off for Josh.
1:09:40
But no, you know what, Josh? That's your.
1:09:42
Homework 2026 I'm going to need. I'm going to need it.
1:09:50
Start things off with a sign off in 2026 from the corner.
1:09:55
We'll see you around. The corner stop.
1:09:57
Don't let him. Come up with these ideas on his
1:09:59
own. Any Who's Joshua?
1:10:04
Oh, don't, don't. Oh, actually, let's take a few
1:10:09
minutes. Let's let's.
1:10:10
Take a half hour, Josh, and talk about the what's your middle
1:10:13
name of your name and why it came to be I'm sorry, it's your
1:10:18
middle name. It's all right.
1:10:21
Josh, how old are you? How old are you Josh?
1:10:25
We love you all as always. Looking forward to talking more
1:10:27
baseball with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.