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July 15 – Letting Go of Pride · The Daily Ripples Podcast

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  Welcome back, everybody, to the Daily Ripples podcast with Pastor Mike and Corey.
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  You've got here today again.
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  Today is July the 15th, and our devotional for the day is titled, Letting Go of Pride,
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  the Stone.
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  Pride keeps me stuck, and humility sets me free.
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  Ripple One, practical.
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  Today, I will notice where pride is shaping my reactions.
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  When I feel defensive, entitled, or self-pitying, I will pause and choose a different response.
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  I will not demand more than my share or assume life owes me something.
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  Ripple 2, Spiritual
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  The Father calls me to a life rooted in humility, not self-importance.
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  Jesus shows me that true strength is found in surrender, not in striving for more.
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  The Holy Spirit reveals where pride still lives in me and gives me the grace to release it.
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  As pride loosens its grip, I begin to live with clearer perspective and deeper peace.
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  And as always, we save our prayer for the end of the episode.
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  But the part in the practical ripple quarry today where it says that when I feel defensive, entitled, or self-pitying,
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  you know, I wrote in there, I'll pause and choose a different response.
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  But what I could just as easily write is that when I feel defensive, entitled, or self-pitying,
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  when I get called on at a meeting, I'm just going to be glad to be there.
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  Does that make sense?
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  Because I'm not going to word vomit in a meeting with 20 or 30 other people.
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  And you've talked about this a little bit before.
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  When I'm in the midst of the struggle, I'm just going to go quiet.
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  Normally, if I'm in a meeting, especially in my home group,
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  and I get called on and I just say, glad to be here or what have you,
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  it means I'm remembering what, you know, Papaw Richard taught me 10 years ago,
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  which is that that cotton needs to come out of my ears and go in my mouth that day.
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  And it's because I'm processing or going through something,
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  struggling with something that I could easily kind of word vomit about
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  and get the comfort and assurance in a meeting of,
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  oh, you know, Michael, I hate to hear you're going through that, you know, blah, blah, blah.
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  But all that does, man, is feed my pride and my ego, doesn't it?
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  I mean, even though it's not a positive thing, it's still feeding my pride and my ego.
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  What I'd rather do is what you've shared on here before and talked about is talk about the struggle after I've attained the victory or after I've been granted the victory, you know, by my higher power, I guess would be the more accurate way to say that.
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  And so sometimes letting go of pride for me is, you know, shutting up whenever I feel led to go down that self-pity kind of rabbit hole.
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  That was what really jumped out to me, you know, in this rereading today, you know, first and foremost.
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  But what have you got for us?
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  I think I was looking at pride and I put it in my 1860 definition thing.
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  A higher elevated opinion of one's self or one's own worth.
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  Yeah.
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  So, you know, it says self-esteem or proper dignity.
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  So, you know, but I think, you know, when I think about pride, I think there's the opposite effect.
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  And you were kind of talking about the opposite effect.
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  Yeah, self-pity.
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  Yeah.
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  Right.
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  And, you know, because I think, you know, when it talks about on page 62 in the big book, it says,
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  says, selfishness, self-centeredness, that we think is the root of our troubles.
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  Driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity,
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  we step on the toes of others and they retaliate, seemingly without provocation.
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  And, you know, so when I think about, like, that pride and my ego and all this stuff and self-pity, I can use both in both ways.
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  Because, you know, I get, hey, look at me.
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  We kind of talked about that on the previous episode.
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  But then I could say, self-pity, hey, look at me.
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  Right.
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  And it's still just about me.
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  Trying to bring the focus back to us.
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  Yeah.
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  And, you know, I don't want to talk right this second, like, from a place of having gone through the steps and, like, talking to people in here that haven't gone through the steps, right?
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  But I will tell you that in my experience, I've had a vital spiritual experience.
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  And we were talking a little bit about this, too.
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  So on page 25 of the big book, it says, the great fact is just this and nothing less, that we have had deep and effective spiritual experiences, which have revolutionized our whole attitude, perspective, right?
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  Towards life, towards our fellows and towards God's universe.
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  So when I think about that, man, like my life today, it doesn't look my pride in my ego.
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  Yeah, it gets up there sometimes, and I have to watch that.
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  And, you know, when that happens, right, I ask God to remove it.
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  Usually God has some divine intervention for me anyways to bring me down to, you know, one.
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  Right, right.
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  Yeah, but so usually I'm asking God to remove that feeling, that intervention of what God's doing in my life, you know.
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  Because, you know, usually it's like when everything's just going smooth, man.
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  Everything could just be going smooth.
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  And then I'll have this, this, this, this, and this.
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  And it's like, oh, wow.
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  Like, who'd you think you were anyways?
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  Yeah, that's a good place to be too.
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  Because I'm more useful there.
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  I'm more useful when I remember, hey, Corey, you remember what you were thinking about a couple of years ago?
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  You remember where you were at a couple of years ago?
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  And that makes me more useful to God's kids anyways, to stay more in that position.
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  I think, man, you know, if I want to do any maybe humbling of myself, I need to go do stuff that is the most uncomfortable stuff in the world and go face some things.
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  Right.
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  I don't think I can sit on my couch or sit with you.
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  Well, you know, I think going through the work, right, because that, you know, I would think going through this work, you know, is it has some ego deflation in it.
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  Especially, you know, when I tell someone my whole life story and go make some amends or go through that process that nobody wants to go through.
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  But I don't know.
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  I was just thinking about some of that.
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  I was just looking up here, you know, out of the Bible, looking up a passage that was, you know, addressing, you know, kind of how we can let go of pride, right?
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  So one of the best examples of, you know, pride versus humility, you know, that we have
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  through in the Bible and the teachings of Jesus, you know, comes from the gospel of Luke,
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  the 18th chapter, you know, starting in verse 9. It says, you know, also he spoke this parable to
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  some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others. He said, two men
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  went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and
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  prayed thus with himself, God, I thank you that I'm not like other men, extortioners, unjust,
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  adulterers, alcoholics, oh wait, it doesn't say that, but anyway, or even as this tax collector,
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  I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess, and the tax collector, standing far off,
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  would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, God, be merciful to me,
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  a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other,
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  For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
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  And, you know, that passage, you know, it's a pretty famous one of the parables of Jesus,
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  you know, but it's driving the point home of when I'm trying to make it all about me, me, me,
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  then I'm going to be brought low by something, you know, in life.
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  And when I operate out of a place of true service and humility,
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  then I actually have something to offer you in the kingdom of heaven.
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  i'll use an example because i've talked to him about it before and i don't think that he would
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  mind that he's been on here before there is a guy who it's not his uh government name you might say
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  but he goes by the name of the city that we live in right and uh when he first came into the program
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  when he entered a room he wanted everyone to know it right he was almost kind of like the pharisee
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  of AA, you might say. He wanted people to know that he was there, that when he was shared,
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  there was a tone and a manner in his sharing that was just full of pride and ego. Then he faced a
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  period of uncertainty in his life, and he had a period of time where he had to realize what really
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  mattered in his life. And it was not being seen, being heard, but it was the relationships that he
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  had, you know, and the love that he had for others. And his going through that completely changed.
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  And he also, you know, I know from him sharing with me, he did some work, had a lot of serious
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  talks with God during that time too. And really his faith developed and deepened. And today,
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  when he shares in a meeting, he does so out of a, even his tone when he's sharing, he's quieter.
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  And he does so out of a place of humility.
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  And I don't say that to give him any pride if he's listening to this today.
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  But I say that as an example of that's not something that he did.
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  That's something that God did.
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  That's the work that God does in us as we work these steps and as we're faithful.
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  And in the life of faith, for any Christians that are listening who are not alcoholics or addicts,
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  God does the same in all of our lives.
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  To the extent that we are willing to go where God wants us to go and to follow him, he works out the rest.
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  It's that sanctifying grace that I mentioned the other day.
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  To use your words, it's all God.
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  Right.
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  Well, we're talking about these defects.
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  You can go into the 12 and 12 and it'll list out the seven deadlies.
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  And, yeah, I was talking a little bit about this before, but, man, my old sponsor, Doug, the way he would go through the steps is take you on the fourth column through the seven deadlies.
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  How did my pride help me to get this from there?
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  Right.
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  And, like, he would take you through that in that way, and, like, you know, it wasn't out of the big part of the fourth step inventory.
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  Yeah, but it was kind of a mix between the big book and the 12 and 12.
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  Right.
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  And, man, I've played around with these things for a long time.
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  I've done the seven heavenly virtues.
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  I was like, if I practice the seven heavenly virtues, then I'll offset it.
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  Yeah.
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  Because I can manage this, right?
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  Just like my speaking.
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  That's trying to give you the power.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  Because, you know, I've tried this and, you know, I hear it all the time.
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  I'm working on this.
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  Well, how am I going to work on this?
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  What am I going to do?
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  You know, the one thing is God, right?
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  And in the 12 and 12 on step seven, in the first words, it says, it says, this is the step that separates the men from the boys.
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  And in the, in the big book, it says, if we still cling to something, we will not let go.
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  We ask God to help us be willed.
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  Willingness is always the key, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, we kind of talked a little bit about this, but what comes before willingness?
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  Well, hope, like helpless.
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  You know, that's what, that's what, but you know, this is the men and the boys.
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  This is the difference.
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  So when I look at the step seven prayer, it says my creator.
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  And we talked a little bit about this.
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  And I think you were in the big book study when we talked, when someone talked about it,
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  but it's cool that right here.
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  Yeah, it was.
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  Yeah.
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  Like my creator.
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  Well, cause we're recreating our lives and it kind of talks about that a little bit earlier.
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  The big book.
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  And it also makes it very personal.
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  My.
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  Not eternal creator, not everybody's creator.
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  Sky-ad-eater.
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  Yeah.
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  Makes it very personal.
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  I'm not willing that you should have all of me, good and bad.
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  You've heard me say this a lot, but, you know, because I don't know what's good and bad because my greatest defect, me drinking, me hurting people, today has become my greatest asset to help another person.
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  Do you know why that is?
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  Well, I mean, I'm going to go with God's everything.
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  Well, and it's also because the Bible says, the Apostle Paul tells us that all things work together for the good of those who love the Lord, who are called according to his purpose.
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  So all things work together.
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  Not that all things are good, but they work together for the good.
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  Everything in your life has brought you here.
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  Right.
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  So yeah, there's another verse too that kind of, anyways.
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  Good and bad, I pray that you now remove from me every single defect of character
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  which stands in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows.
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  That's like so good and bad.
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  I don't know what's good.
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  I don't know what's bad.
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  Take all these defects of character so I can be more of use to you.
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  But that's not saying I know which ones they are.
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  And that's not me, you know, picking which ones.
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  Man, I used to know a dude in the rooms, man.
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  And, um, anyways, man, the way he would, just like you were talking about our buddy, the
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  way he would talk, he talks with such humility, humbly, whatever that is.
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  And man, I started to soften my voice up.
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  You wanted to be like him.
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  Yeah.
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  But you know, I, you know, that wasn't in a place of humility.
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  That was me trying to act humble.
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  Sure.
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  You know, you've heard me talk about this on before.
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  I was trying to make my imaginary character who I want to, and God's supposed to do that work.
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  And I could spend all my life working on these character defects forever and focus on me.
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  But it doesn't say that because on page 77, during the, you know, and I believe from,
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  if you want to be a man and like the separation of men and boys is in this program from 76 to 103.
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  Because that means I'm going to make amends.
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  I'm going to do this morning thing.
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  I'm going to do this.
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  I'm going to go help others.
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  And it's not going to be about me anymore.
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  Because my whole life's been about me, Pastor.
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  Right?
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  And I've exhausted that all the way into jails.
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  You saw where that was going to take me.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  So, like, you know, changing my attitude to take it away against from me, put it to my family, to put it to those people out there.
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  Man, this dude you had talked to a couple weeks ago on here, man.
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  it was cool he sent me a text message um and he you know he i'd send i'd let him go to one of the
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  treatment i didn't let him go i didn't have time to go to the treatment center that another thing
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  to do and he went up there man i said how'd you do man he was like man i don't know if i can do it
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  by myself he sent me a text message today it was like hey man i recant my statement i'd be happy to
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  go up there by myself if that's cool and i thought it was the coolest deal yeah and because man like
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  you know that stuff right there it was it was this thing that god led me to do yeah god it was nobody
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  like you know you talked about it a little bit earlier you know you were just doing what people
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  told you to do yeah especially early on yeah but like that dude i know his sponsor and i know that
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  that dude, you know, I don't think, I'm pretty much sure that that didn't have, he didn't have
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  anything to do with that either. That was him. And that means it was God, you know, in an unselfish
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  way, he's going out wanting to do these things. And that's the drive. And, you know, I, man,
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  if you're, that's not going to be the drive, man. I, uh, I found every which way that that doesn't
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  work in my life and it puts me back out there in the bottle and i uh i don't know what we're here
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  for but i know on the next page over in this book in the 12 and 12 it says
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  having been granted the perfect release from alcoholism and that's what i came in here for
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  the perfect release from alcohol why then should we be able to achieve by the same means a perfect
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  release from every other difficulty or defect. And so like, what's the means? It's not me. It
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  was God. God removed it. I didn't do it. So I think that was a, anyways. Well, it takes me back
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  to the spiritual, uh, ripple today where it says the Holy Spirit reveals where pride still lives in
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  me and gives me the grace to release it. And sometimes the grace that I get to release that
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  pride is simply the gift of time.
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  You know, time that goes by, time that creates more distance between when I thought I was
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  self-important and when I am now.
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  And also, you know, the Holy Spirit reveals sometimes where pride still lives in me.
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  Sometimes the Holy Spirit reveals that through other people, you know, and one of those for
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  me, one of the biggest ones, and I'm lucky and blessed enough that, you know, the love
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  of my life, you know, my wife, who I call Baby Lou, and her real name is Christy, of course,
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  that she'll point out if I'm being prideful, but she does it in a way that I can accept,
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  you know what I mean? And that is in a way that I don't have a negative reaction to,
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  a prideful reaction to, you might say. She does it in a way that I don't have to feel defensive,
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  entitled, or self-pitying, you know, as it said in the practical today. And the other aspect of
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  that is the revelation of where I need to slow down and where I need more growth. A lot of
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  of times that's where the meditation comes into play you know i pray but then am i spending time
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  in quiet listening for what god would reveal to me in my life today i've been uh i've been really
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  practicing i've i kind of let it go for a little while but my nightly meditation like you know so
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  and what that looks like you know because i you know i think people in the rooms don't even
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  understand i mean what it what that looks like to me right and you know because you know they say
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  meditation well they got apps for that they got this yeah you know mindfulness techniques and all
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  i think it's all important though i i've used some of them and i you know man when i i think i probably
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  said it on here but it doesn't matter prayer and meditation is two separate entities and you know
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  you use it to more the quiet and i use it in that direction too but i had to learn how to get quiet
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  yeah and that's a practice that's a practice and discipline because how many people i've heard that's
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  come into these anonymous rooms and say, man, I can't sit, I can't do that. Well, I couldn't do
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  it either. It took practice and it really took a fifth step of me doing some of that stuff too.
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  But for me to, cause it also at the end of the fifth step, it says sitting in your,
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  you know, take the book off your shelf, read these sitting alone for an hour. That's to say
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  you can sit alone for an hour. That's the, that's the measure right there. And so, um,
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  But what it looks like for me today is I'll get my baby to sleep.
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  I'll get the baby to bed.
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  Sleep, really, because she's still in our bed.
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  But anyways, I'll get her to sleep.
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  I get up and I kind of go get something to read.
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  I read like a pair.
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  I've probably already been reading because I try to read when she goes to sleep.
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  And I get on my knees and, man, I put a timer on my phone for 15 minutes.
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  And I open that prayer.
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  I open my prayer.
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  What I do today is I open the prayer up with the third step prayer because there's no amen
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  at the end and that's important.
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  So I've opened up this.
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  You don't have an ending in sight.
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  There's no ending.
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  Yeah.
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  So I open that up and I get quiet and I start breathing.
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  I breathe in.
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  I love you.
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  I breathe out.
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  I love you.
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  My thoughts will race and I'll get out of the I love you and I'll let them go.
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  I don't beat myself up because I think I'm thinking about penguins and I'm thinking about
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  a roller coaster and I'm thinking about work all at the same time.
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  I just come back into it.
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  And then I end it with the seven step prayer.
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  And did you know that that's called a breath prayer?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, because that's one of the things that they taught us and that we learned in seminary.
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  And we had a course called Formation for Ministry, where we talked about the various forms of prayer.
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  And that breath prayer was very effective.
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  I find so much.
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  Like, when I opened my eyes, man, when I spoke at this last birthday, the one I just did the other.
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  There's a cemetery down the street from where that meeting is.
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  Yes.
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  And so, man, before I talk, especially in front of all those people, man,
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  I probably have like eight or ten talks before the car by myself.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, you know, not that day, but you know, days previous.
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  And, man, I went to that cemetery and, you know, meditated for some time.
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  And, man, I've never felt more clear.
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  So, you know, I encourage people, you know, like, when I put in the prayer and meditation, I put those practices and disciplines every day of my life.
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  Man, like, I can't tell you how, because it's like, almost like me telling you, like, this is the result of it, but I'm not doing it for a result.
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  I'm doing it for the conscious contact with God.
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  Yeah.
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  But the peace and the love and the, you know, I don't know.
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  It's something that's indescribable.
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  Yeah.
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  What I was thinking about is that if I am to trust and rely upon God, then I need to have a good relationship with God.
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  And having a good relationship with God is the same way that I need to have a good relationship with you.
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  And it's not just me talking all the time.
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  And that's why I focus so much on listening.
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  Because I think so many times we, especially in the church, you know, Jesus followers, spend so much time focused on prayer.
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  and a lot of times the prayers are the self-focused or self-directed prayers,
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  but that's only one side of that relationship.
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  You know, if I'm only ever talking at God,
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  but I don't ever shut up and listen to what God has to say to me,
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  you know, if you and I got together here
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  and you had to sit there and listen to me for 15 minutes every episode
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  and you were just kind of there and you barely got time to get a word in edgewise,
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  that wouldn't be very fulfilling for you now, would it?
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  And it wouldn't really be that much of a relationship.
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  Well, it's the same way, you know, with God, you know, I've got to, to, to form and develop a good relationship as I have to develop that, those spiritual ears to hear what God has to say to me and for my life.
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  Well, we talk about this in this literature and talks about the great reality deep down with them.
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  Right.
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  But if I have all, you know, this is just the way I look at this whole deal.
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  But if I have all this stuff blocking me from that, I believe I can get quite all I want past my life.
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  And man, I'm not going to get that.
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  I'm not going to be able to feel that great reality deep down within.
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  I'm not going to be able to feel that conscious presence of God.
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  Maybe I can for a little glimpses.
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  But I like a lot.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, it starts little by slow.
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  Because it's just like the promises of the AA program.
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  You don't experience all those on day one.
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  You experience them as you work at it.
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  Yeah, as you block it.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  So it all works together.
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  And I think that's the most important piece of it.
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  The things which in my life have been blocking me.
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  And I will tell you, I didn't get that from the fourth step.
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  Yeah.
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  I got it from going and making things right, loving God's kids, and being a part of this world.
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  Were you amazed before you were halfway through?
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  Yeah, that's why I went out the last time.
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  On that note, our prayer for today,
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  Father God, show me where pride is still at work in me.
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  Through your Holy Spirit, help me release it and walk in humility.
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  Shape my heart through the example of Jesus
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  and lead me into a life grounded in truth and peace.
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  Amen.
• 24:20
  Amen.
• 24:23
  All right, Corey, you got me guilty of the infamous 25-minute episode.
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  I was that way there again.
• 24:28
  Yeah, we did a long one, man.
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  You're a bad influence.
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  That was a good one, though.
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  We're a good influence, whichever the case may be.