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Book Club: The Little Girl Who Gave Zero F*cks · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stephone
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  Speaker 1: never told your protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: our monthly book club. I feel like it needs to
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  Speaker 1: be cheers with wines and all of that, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't have any of those things. But cheers, cheers um,
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  Speaker 1: And just a quick heads up. If you read the
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  Speaker 1: title before you clicked on to listen to this episode,
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  Speaker 1: you might already know there will be a lot of
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  Speaker 1: bleeps for this episode. As uh, we are kids friendly.
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  Speaker 1: You may not want to this is ironic because you
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  Speaker 1: may not want to listen to this in front of
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  Speaker 1: your kids. You may, however, you phil because this is
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  Speaker 1: a we're talking about a not really children's children's book,
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  Speaker 1: is how you would say it. It's a book that's
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  Speaker 1: done in the style of a children's book, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not really a children's book. Yeah right. I would give
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  Speaker 1: this to my niece who was graduated from college, or
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  Speaker 1: my niece in high school, and I think they would
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  Speaker 1: appreciate them. Right. But it does have amazing illustration we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about later. And the book we were referring to
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  Speaker 1: is The Little Girl Who Gave a Zero, written by
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  Speaker 1: Amy Charlotte Keene and illustrated by j Milton. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: we were really excited to discover this one. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this feels perfect for Christmas, and I feel like it
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  Speaker 1: should be a gift for everyone. Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was a delight because we were we had discussed
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  Speaker 1: before on this show and off the show, we wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do a children's book. Uh. We wanted to we
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  Speaker 1: want to keep this kind of like, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: limited to a certain type of book, um with this
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  Speaker 1: comics of children's boo or whatever. And you found this one,
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  Speaker 1: which again isn't necessarily a children's book, but it's very
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  Speaker 1: much in the style of one, has the feeling of one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we were very, very excited about it. I do
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  Speaker 1: also think this is going to break our record for
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  Speaker 1: most beleeps in a podcast, but I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I could be wrong. So we're sorry ahead of time
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  Speaker 1: if that bothers you. Um, I wonderful. We can do
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  Speaker 1: an unedited version as a second request, Yes, long as
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  Speaker 1: we have a heavy like hey f y um. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: As as you said, we love taking on new and
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  Speaker 1: different types of books and literature. Uh and yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: seemed perfect for us and for our show, and since
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  Speaker 1: it's a short book, which by the way, is all
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  Speaker 1: written in rhyme, and she has a poetry book as well,
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  Speaker 1: if y'all interested go look her up, we thought we
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  Speaker 1: would present this episode a bit differently. Instead of doing
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  Speaker 1: the usual summary and then coming back with the themes,
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to go ahead and talk about all the
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  Speaker 1: themes along with some of the wonderful stanzas in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what we call them stanzas? First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I will go with it. Yeah, I'm sure there's somebody
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  Speaker 1: who's studying Shakespeare that's like, this is not when you're
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  Speaker 1: being prose prose. Yeah. First, for some context and background
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  Speaker 1: of this book. In a Q and A with Keene,
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  Speaker 1: she explained where her idea where this book came from
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  Speaker 1: um and she said years ago, a more senior female
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  Speaker 1: at an agency I work for said to me, you
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  Speaker 1: have two options. You can be yourself or you can
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  Speaker 1: progress in your career. And I've never forgotten it and
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  Speaker 1: know so many people who have been told similar. Being
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  Speaker 1: a woman in marketing is tricky because there's so much
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  Speaker 1: personal critique. You're too loud, too enthusiastic, too informal, too emotional,
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  Speaker 1: too nice, too hard on people, too overpowering, not enough gravitas,
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  Speaker 1: too much cleavage close to front fee Uh of the
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  Speaker 1: amount of times I've heard people say about stern female bosses, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she just needs a good shag. What's worse is this
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  Speaker 1: is often women talking about other women. We forged strict
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  Speaker 1: templates and regulate each other's behavior in a way that
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  Speaker 1: men don't. The book is the fruit of my frustrations
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  Speaker 1: and encourages women to be themselves, no matter what, person
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  Speaker 1: only and professionally. It's about how we support each other
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  Speaker 1: more and we don't always have to agree, but we
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  Speaker 1: can stop pushing other women down as we clamber for
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  Speaker 1: the spotlight. Um, there's room for all of us to
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  Speaker 1: succeed and for a multitude of diverse, powerful characters. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and she talks about, you know, coming out of the
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  Speaker 1: marketing world doing all of these things. This, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: was published through Unbound Books, which she did through crowdsourcing
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  Speaker 1: UM and apparently met her goal very quickly, and it's
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  Speaker 1: a best seller. People were pretty shocked there, like this
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  Speaker 1: is not a very successful She's like, oh watch me,
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  Speaker 1: and it has Yeah. I mean, don't underestimate the power
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  Speaker 1: of a title like that. We were immediately like what
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  Speaker 1: is this? And Keen continued on saying she sees the
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  Speaker 1: book as quote an oh to everyday bravery and being
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  Speaker 1: true to yourself as brave. I love this quote from
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  Speaker 1: American feminist Gloria Steinham. Any woman who chooses to behave
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  Speaker 1: like a full human being should be warned that the
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  Speaker 1: armies of the status quo will treat her as some
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  Speaker 1: think of a dirty joke. She will need sisterhood. But
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  Speaker 1: sisterhood is not a click or a privileged little industry
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  Speaker 1: society that women are invited to join. It refers to
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  Speaker 1: our behaviors as a social group. Will never be truly
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  Speaker 1: equal unless we accept and take responsibility for the sometimes
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  Speaker 1: subtle role we play and allowing inequality to thrive. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: so we love that. Yes, and again there's so many
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  Speaker 1: bleeps the strap in uh yeah, let's be in uh. So.
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  Speaker 1: In the book, we follow along Ledie Rose and her
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  Speaker 1: journey to be herself. We are introducing the book with
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  Speaker 1: this uh quote. This is the story of a brave
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  Speaker 1: young girl called Elodie Rose, who, on one completely average morning,
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  Speaker 1: decides to change the world and keep her in her
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  Speaker 1: basket all day you're confused, what are do you ask?
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  Speaker 1: It is quite simple. So her blues esteems her happies
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  Speaker 1: and wonderful thoughts that sit in her basket, that sit
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  Speaker 1: in all girls baskets, and all girls must give these
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  Speaker 1: away to any people who make them sad or angry
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  Speaker 1: or tell them off for being too loud. With a
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  Speaker 1: spring inter step in a buzz in her brain, Ledie
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  Speaker 1: Rose decides to see what happens if those stay where
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  Speaker 1: they are. Yes, all right, so yeah, let's start our
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  Speaker 1: journey with led Rose. Um, Ledie Rose, welcome, ready to
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  Speaker 1: change the world. So here is a stanza and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about this. Elodie Rose was a girl on a
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  Speaker 1: mission in a town where girls act like obedient kittens,
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  Speaker 1: sings offt the same tune and dance and nate same jig,
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  Speaker 1: wear the same flowery dress and pretty blonde wigs. But
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  Speaker 1: Ledi Rose vowed to change the old world. But led
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  Speaker 1: Rose isn't like other girls. Um, yeah, so obviously we're
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  Speaker 1: going to start with a bang. She wakes up with
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  Speaker 1: some sass, as we would like to say, and ready
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  Speaker 1: to go to change the world. Yeah, kind of a
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  Speaker 1: clear like almost confusion about why why is the world
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  Speaker 1: this way? Why do I have to be this way?
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  Speaker 1: Like questioning? Questioning? Yeah, and we are introduced to the
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  Speaker 1: what are they you might ask, Well, here is a quote.
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  Speaker 1: Fluffy are bouncy, are filled with slime, se existen since
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  Speaker 1: day one of time. Unparalleled energy runs through their veins.
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  Speaker 1: Lively curious creatures. Each basket contains as unique as the
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  Speaker 1: way your own tongue says your name. No two people's
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  Speaker 1: are ever the same. I love it, I love I can't,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. Rhyming schemes draw me in. They really do.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. And the descriptions, Yes, it's fantastic in hear, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and the imagery is great compared by side by side,
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  Speaker 1: very very good. Um. And these are something all girls
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  Speaker 1: carry in their baskets and usually by the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day they will have given them all away. Oh
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  Speaker 1: that was my rhyme. It was like a trapulaid for me,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Yes, um, and yeah, that's the thing. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: will they give them all away? I haven't they give
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  Speaker 1: them all away? We'll see. So we were introduced. She
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  Speaker 1: gets a little bit of bullying, but then she goes
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  Speaker 1: to school. Um and Elie Rose almost gives one of
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  Speaker 1: her it's away when she hears um these other girls
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  Speaker 1: talk about the trending of toes. So essentially this is
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  Speaker 1: about body shaming. It took me a minute, so here's there.
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  Speaker 1: Here's this first, what peculiar statements thought leddie Rose, who
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  Speaker 1: gazed at these girls and then at her own toes,
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  Speaker 1: where they fat, where they thin, clinically obese, where they
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  Speaker 1: filled with pure large, just like over fed geese. Fingers
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  Speaker 1: reached for a at the heft of her hoofs unwillingly
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  Speaker 1: dampened by insecure youths. But clowns have big toes, and
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  Speaker 1: they all have a ball and Rhinoso says, care a
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  Speaker 1: little for toe sizes at all, All these beauties with
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  Speaker 1: big paws completely content. If I hate both my feet,
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  Speaker 1: then my will be spent. And as long as they'll
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  Speaker 1: get me from A to B, my basket taste full
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  Speaker 1: of my and my heart remains free. I did look
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  Speaker 1: so in the illustration, and we're gonna mention the illustration
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  Speaker 1: a lot. You see these magazines, So obviously when we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about toes, we're talking about body shaming. And also
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  Speaker 1: we talk a lot about the media influences and self esteem,
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  Speaker 1: and here Keene takes it to a whole different level,
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  Speaker 1: bringing in toes, which a lot of people don't white toes,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe some people really like toes. That's on you, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: But I did love that she took this moment to
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  Speaker 1: talk about insecurities and then bringing in the fact that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the rest of nature to give note. Why do we
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  Speaker 1: you're adding in a This is so fun. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we're off the chain because we've never I know.
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  Speaker 1: It's so I'm like, what show am I on right now?
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  Speaker 1: Are you added? Okay? I do love this. I know
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  Speaker 1: I've told this story before, but I was I think
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  Speaker 1: in high school, like early high school, and a friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine found out that I didn't tweeze my eyebrows
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  Speaker 1: and she acted like, oh, what are you doing? This
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  Speaker 1: is the inter world And it wasn't a thing I
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  Speaker 1: thought about. It wasn't like insecurity I had. And then
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  Speaker 1: it became like, oh, I've been walking around like this,
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  Speaker 1: I've got to go fix it. Like it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: changes your whole when you're young, especially like hearing these
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  Speaker 1: messages from the media, from your friends, people around you.
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  Speaker 1: They do really really stick with you. And I love
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  Speaker 1: how in this. It's put as like, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: only have so many I can't I can't exactly not
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  Speaker 1: for this one. And then there is moving on pressured,
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  Speaker 1: this pressure by boys or society to let boys touch
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  Speaker 1: or push you into uncomfortable positions. So here's a quote.
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  Speaker 1: Her ears could suck all the bad words and noise,
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  Speaker 1: or ignored the lame things spat by insecure boys, those
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  Speaker 1: stayed in her basket a wonderful thing. Feeling taller than ever,
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  Speaker 1: she started to sing, if the boy is mean or
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  Speaker 1: acts too keen or jealousy makes him turn bright green,
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  Speaker 1: is very important not to give him one of your
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  Speaker 1: because they're the most important thing a little girl's got. Mhm.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so we kind of just brant in this
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  Speaker 1: small bit, but in this whole conversation, it's this dude
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  Speaker 1: who literally just thinks that he can do this, and
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  Speaker 1: all the other girls let him, and she's held hands.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it's very like benign types of things, but
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  Speaker 1: it's still uncomfortable. Um, but like he's like, you held
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  Speaker 1: all the other boys hands, well, what you hold mine?
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  Speaker 1: As he owed she owed him something, and she was
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  Speaker 1: she almost thought about it, and then she took it
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  Speaker 1: back she was like nabra na um and we love
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  Speaker 1: to see it. And he was angry and called her
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  Speaker 1: a toad. That little versus really cute too, So you
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  Speaker 1: should go back if you haven't, you should be getting this.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, but I thought that was fantastic. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is a great analogy of a lot of young
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  Speaker 1: girls not understanding you don't have to be there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and a great way of because we've talked abou
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  Speaker 1: so much as young girls, a lot of us are
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  Speaker 1: taught are worth is in our desirability of men, like
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  Speaker 1: our male the male gaze, and if we're pretty, and
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  Speaker 1: if they pays attention, even if it's like the worst
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  Speaker 1: kind of attention, then that's a good thing. It means
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  Speaker 1: I'm desired. It means I have worth, and how damaging
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  Speaker 1: and horrible that is and how it contributes to so
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  Speaker 1: much heartbreak and hurt and rape culture at large. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is very much when you're young girl. I remember
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  Speaker 1: once this. I think I was like pretty young and
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  Speaker 1: already like this kid kissed me in the playground and
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  Speaker 1: then I pulled away and he I mean we were
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  Speaker 1: like eight or nine, and he immediately was like I've
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  Speaker 1: seen you with all the other boys. There were no
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  Speaker 1: other boys like you like this, right, And though Eli
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  Speaker 1: Rose felt good at that moment, seeing other girls giving
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  Speaker 1: their so freely made her sad. So she says, a
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  Speaker 1: million small girls, all standing in tears, crushing their hopes
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  Speaker 1: and expanding their fears. When you're stuck in the swamp,
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  Speaker 1: all you see is the muck where they taught one
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  Speaker 1: another to give all their faces. So I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was really interesting. Uh. And of course, like we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about supporting women, and yeah, there's a lot of backbiting,
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  Speaker 1: but really doesn't have to be that way, um and
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  Speaker 1: not perpetuating that um. And soon she meets Sophie Jane,
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  Speaker 1: who at first seems wary of led Rose because at
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  Speaker 1: this whole time everybody's watching her led Rose doing these things.
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  Speaker 1: They're all shocked, eyes exploded, keep saying, eyes pop out,
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  Speaker 1: but soon listens to Eldi Rose's story. Uh, she says,
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  Speaker 1: it's nonsense and silly to worry of others. Be strong
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  Speaker 1: and be kind. Fis a smile on your face gives
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  Speaker 1: zero in the world's a more positive place. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's what we're talking about when we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about supporting women because you know, there are plenty of
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  Speaker 1: examples of things purposeful or not that are harmful that
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  Speaker 1: women do to each other. But when you finds like
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  Speaker 1: the friend, the solid friend, or the family member, and
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  Speaker 1: you know they don't have to be perfect, but there
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  Speaker 1: they have insights like this or support like this, like
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  Speaker 1: they're there for you for that. That's what we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: like right, right, should think in the in the book,
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  Speaker 1: she says, I'm no guru, but it is when you
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  Speaker 1: see and you're inspired. It's kind of how the Me
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  Speaker 1: Too movement began. One person spoke up, and then another
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  Speaker 1: person spoke up, and it became a home movement. And
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  Speaker 1: that was the point that when you see inspirations like
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  Speaker 1: finally caring for yourself and not holding it in, it
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  Speaker 1: became a powerhouse of a movement. Of course, there's bumps
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  Speaker 1: in in all the roads, but yeah, this is kind
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  Speaker 1: of that level. And yeah, and they decided to be friends.
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  Speaker 1: As in fact, they said, this is the second person.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have lunch tomorrow, sit under the trees. Well like
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  Speaker 1: chocolate cupcakes, talked with melted cheese. Sophie James swooned at
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  Speaker 1: the thought of their feast united their friendship in eating
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  Speaker 1: like beasts perfect. I'm not gonna lie. Melted cheese on
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  Speaker 1: cookate does not sound good, Unles, you're talking about cream cheese.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I think I think there could be some ways.
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  Speaker 1: There could be some way, but I I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take it more for it. Yeah, the kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: oh we can do this, which feels kind of like
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  Speaker 1: but there's no boundaries. That's what exactly like. It's not
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  Speaker 1: the normal thing, but we can do it. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to give our because we like it,
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  Speaker 1: we want to do it. I love it et cupcakes
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  Speaker 1: with Miltichie. I think you and I have really shown
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  Speaker 1: her hand about like one of our very favorite things.
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  Speaker 1: It's just friendships between women like in the media or
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  Speaker 1: like it makes me cry. I love that. I do too.
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  Speaker 1: I do too. So Upon returning home, Ldie Rose was anxious,
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  Speaker 1: thinking her mother may disapprove and think that she was weird,
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  Speaker 1: but was surprised when her mother told her of her
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  Speaker 1: own experiences and how she was so proud of her.
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  Speaker 1: I loved this part. Um. Here's a quote. If an
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  Speaker 1: enemy tells you how to feel our judges when you
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  Speaker 1: eat a meal, they crave your thunder swipe and steal,
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  Speaker 1: give zero like no big deal. This unshines to make
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  Speaker 1: us warm as toast, so safe for those who need
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  Speaker 1: it most. Look to those who have no voice, born
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  Speaker 1: without riches, and live without choice. Think of those who
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  Speaker 1: need support. Act as kindly as you've been taught. Yes, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And in that story and we skipped over, but the
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  Speaker 1: mother talks about how she had to give him all
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  Speaker 1: away and that she just was so sad and loves
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  Speaker 1: seeing that she's able to do this, and it is
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  Speaker 1: so proud that she's standing up for herself in this.
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  Speaker 1: So it was really sweet. It was really sweet because
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  Speaker 1: we've just been primed to expect like the drama of
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  Speaker 1: your disown and get out and these kind of stories.
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  Speaker 1: But it was so nice when Eldie Rose was worried
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  Speaker 1: and her mom was like, oh no, I'm so proud
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  Speaker 1: of you and here's my experience, and uh, I do
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  Speaker 1: like that inter generational support, but also like learn learn
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  Speaker 1: from me and then grow from that, which is something
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  Speaker 1: we talked about all the time too, right, And they
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  Speaker 1: have to do this to be do more and be
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  Speaker 1: beyond me, which we love to see. We want to
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  Speaker 1: see people grow, and with our spirits high, Ledi Rose
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  Speaker 1: went to bed to be visited by rebels before her,
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  Speaker 1: and then this, it says, a woman appeared, saying, you
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  Speaker 1: gave zero, What a wonderful day. I'll tell you a
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  Speaker 1: story about me if I may. Once upon a time,
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  Speaker 1: I was a young girl like you, with so many
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  Speaker 1: things I wanted to do. My friend and I such
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  Speaker 1: lives ahead of us, being inspired by being rebellious. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she told Elodie Rose of which trials and how men
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  Speaker 1: quote driven by desire tortured and murdered them for being
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: different or not sticking to societal norms. Uh. And the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: woman continued with her story. Dear Ledie Rose, this happened
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  Speaker 1: to me. I was loud and different and long to
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: be free, had mischievous thoughts, refused to marry, and made
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: some men around me weary. I was trying and tested
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Brandon to which burned on a heap and dumped in
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a ditch. Uh. And oh yeah, I was like, wow,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: that's damn. That was Like, you know, I was expecting
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: a certain thing when it came to this book, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: this wasn't necessarily a surprise, but it was one of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the hardest like sharp turns of like, oh, we're talking
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: about the got you got you? Um, and the woman
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: spoke their warnings. Uh. And there were many women that
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: came around, so in the book it's not just her.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And then you see like a congregation of wronged women
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: who were rebellious and so therefore we're punished. Um. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the women spoke their warnings and hopes and asked for
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: her to stand up for those from the past and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: for quote the girls through the ages. And I thought
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: that was really yeah, it really was, like and then
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the book literally goes dark because she's dreaming, but you're like,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: what what just happened? It was such a cool, like
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: artistic tool because I had to lean in closer to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the book. Oh it's on purpose, I got you. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: yeah they did. They did a good a job. And like,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: as you see, and we don't mention it here in
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: any of it, but like they talk about the buzz,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the buzz of being free, and that the terror and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the anxiety, but then realizing that it's a newness, being
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: new But in this conversation and this time of dreaming,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: she hears bats and buzzing and like that the creepy
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: crawleys to tell her a truth that she didn't expect. Yeah,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and I love how it's again that kind of like,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: this is what happened to me. Build on this. It's
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: not fear mongery. It's scary, but it's not meant to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: scare her into giving zero rights. Inspire. Yes, I love it, um,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And soon she dreamed of possibilities for the future of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: all girls. Um, here's a quote, resolved to make these
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: dreams come true. The ridiculous as your ideas may sound,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: big things start from one thought profound, like the volcano
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: knows it's meant to rise, possibilities explode for a girl
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: who tries, Yeah, that's what we would like to be. Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: And it's so sweet because there are these big, big
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: ideas in it. There's a constant theme of like speaking
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: up for others, being supportive, all that stuff. But it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: also a lot of the it's a celebrating of small
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: connections to like a friendship or her connection with her mom.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. It's like these big
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: things but also these small things, right m um. Yeah say.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the book, she wakes up
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: with a heart full of possibilities. Elodie Rose wrote down
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the dreams and hopes for herself and so many others,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and it ends with when you're being brave and nerves attack,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: don't let your basket hold you back. Your brain might
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: buzz and feel so strange, but we all have strength
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to make things change, like the spark you fill when
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: lightning struck. Elodie Rose had wondered and pondered and thought
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it important that the world needs more little girls who
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: give zero fox. Yes, Yes, I love it. I love it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It's such a fun
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: quick read. It's really beautiful. It's beautifully illustrated, and yeah,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: when you get your your company, which you should um
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: there are some wonderful Easter eggs with notable women leaders
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: throughout including I was like, oh, very iconic. Look, yeah
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: she did some hold up, I believe I found a
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Rosa park Frieda was I think was in there. Well,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: there's so many amazing tools in this illustration, and it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: very whimsy, but yeah it is. I think it's a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: hopeful call out for women who you know, care too
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: much or are too scared to care, like beyond these things.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And I found it really, really lovely and yeah, I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: kind of want to buy it for my nieces and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: my uh like older as I come. And again though
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: there's some who really have a handle and being able
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to speak. I don't really, I don't know my former
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That was my formal rebellion growing up.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: So I was fine with it. But it's fantastic and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: it kind of goes along the lines of go to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the bed. I think, um in that level, but it is.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It is a very inspiring feminist book. Uh. And I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: love that it came in such a humorous thing, even
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: though it was it was a pretty big subject. Yeah
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and as mentioned that got it can get pretty dark
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in sections, but yeah, it's very heartwarming and uplifting and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: it was one of those Usually when we do these
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: book clubs, I usually get the digital copy, but this
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: is one of the times where I was like, I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: think I want to physical. I think I want this
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to ownness and look at So I had downloaded on
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: audible as well as when it had ordered. I was like, yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna need this copy. I think, yeah, yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: me too, I think I might I might get it. Um. Yeah,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and I believe the author Is Keene is a I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: want to say, a writer from the UK. I think
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: from London. I'm not really sure. Um, so I loved
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: her perspective. There's some interviews where she does more pros
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: uh talking about why does it have tony and she
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: said it's just words and sometimes you need to express
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it that way. Loved all of that. Um. And then
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: when she talks about why she writes books, she said,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it's to command a little more people's time than five minutes.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I have a lot to say and I want to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: sit on their shelves. I want to we get them
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: from coffee table when they're feeling low and odd and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: need a bit of reassurance. I thought that was cute.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: This is off of her website, Amy Charlotte Kane dot
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: co dot uk and yeah on here she has some
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: poetry House of Weeds. I believe it is one with
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: some fantastic drawings as well. Um, the Little Girl who
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: gave you a You can see a little preview of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that book. And then apparently she has another one, You
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: will Change the World. Um, I'm show of it because
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you changed mine. So I don't know this up and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: coming or if it's already been published, but she's got
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a few out there and at cute Um. Dawngs on
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that as well, and you can find her on Instagram
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and Twitter, so there you go. But yeah, I loved it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: How did you feel about this? I love it too.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: It was such a fun thing, and I was thinking
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: about I'm such a nerd for words and history of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: words in mind to catch on, but I was thinking about, like,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you know, giving it this title. I mean, it's very
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: eye catching obviously, but we've talked about that before where
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: it's not I'm cursing is not expected for women, but
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: especially like children. So I liked that too, that even
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: with that, you're like, okay, this is about kind of
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: breaking away from these expectations that young girls and women
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: have on them society placed. But no, it was super cute.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I love the illustrations. I thought it was so fun.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: It was a really we wanted we wanted to book
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: collect that we found day. It was perfect, right. I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: think it felt perfect for the holidays that we are
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: trying to put a lot of things together, and you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it's it's been pretty overwhelming with a lot of things happening.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: We just finished the election. Um, but you know, having
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: something that was a good read, that was entertaining, that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was uplifting, that was humorous, It was perfect. And yeah, again,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: like I said, I think it's a great little gift.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I think it would buy it. Oh yeah, great gift.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I mean like again, the title alone, I think when
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: somebody opens it up, they'll chuckle, they'll be like, oh right.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Like the reviews are pretty much all five stars because
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: people don't know exactly what they want, they get and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they love it. Yeah, yeah, I really, I really really
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: loved it because it's so we've talked about it all
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the time here, but it can get pretty dark when
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you're a feminist podcast talking about things, and this didn't
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: shy away from the bad things, but it made it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It made it very hopeful and uplifting, So it was nice.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: It was a nice change of pace for us. It
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: was a good change of pace. So uh, not that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: she's gonna ever hear, but if you do, Amy, Charlotte Keane,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: thank you for such an amazing book. We are very
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: we're very glad we found it. Yes, yes we are,
• 26:09
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• 26:14
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• 26:17
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• 26:24
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• 26:29
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