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NFL Free Agent Primer: As Eagles Prepare To Let Reed Blankenship Walk, Who Are Best Safety Options? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's up, everybody, It's Jeff Mosher,
0:15
Speaker 1: It's Adam Kaplan, and we finish out our free agency
0:19
Speaker 1: primer across the NFL with safeties. As we really spent
0:24
Speaker 1: the last two pods, last one in this one talking
0:26
Speaker 1: about defensive backs. Now, Adam, when we talked about the corners,
0:30
Speaker 1: it was kind of an EH group, and safeties it
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Speaker 1: does feel like top heavy. Is that there's a couple
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Speaker 1: of guys who have done some good things in this league,
0:40
Speaker 1: and then it.
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Speaker 2: Sort of fizzles out pretty quickly after that.
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Speaker 3: It's actually pretty deep.
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Speaker 4: But half of the list you could see why the
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Speaker 4: guys are out there, right, guys have done some things
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Speaker 4: but not quite good enough. And then you look at
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Speaker 4: a guy like your Kwon Prisker, who's a good football player,
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Speaker 4: not a big time playmaker, just a good player, good tackler.
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Speaker 4: Two years ago he had a significant cushion problem, right,
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Speaker 4: and that's gonna be concerned. Andre Cisco is not. You know,
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Speaker 4: he put up a ton of big plays in college.
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Speaker 4: Nice player, nothing great blanket ship of course. Kevin Byron,
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Speaker 4: who had a great bounce back here Holy Smokes, did
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Speaker 4: have a great year, but he's an older player, leader type.
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Speaker 4: You like having him. But I mean you're right to
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Speaker 4: a degree. It is top heavy, but there's much better
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Speaker 4: depth here. It is a much deeper position than corner.
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Speaker 1: For free agency, Yeah, I mean a lot of teams
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Speaker 1: are playing more sub packages, Big Nickel using three safeties.
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Speaker 1: The Bears that it was CJ. Gardner Johnson and they
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Speaker 1: had some success with that. And so you kind of
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Speaker 1: can look down this list and see some guys who
1:44
Speaker 1: have played in that kind of like Cam Croll right,
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Speaker 1: he just come.
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Speaker 2: He's spent two years with the Rams. The Rams do
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Speaker 2: a lot on the back end.
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Speaker 1: They play a lot of different guys, So I feel
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Speaker 1: like there's guys who can help you do things. They
1:56
Speaker 1: can help you match up against certain offensive looks, even
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Speaker 1: if they're not starters for you, even if they're playing
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Speaker 1: thirty to forty percent of the game in some type
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Speaker 1: of subpackage. But also, if you're that kind of guy,
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Speaker 1: you're you're usually not commanding a big, big, long, long
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Speaker 1: term deal for a lot of money.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some guys here like Jalen Hawkins, a really
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Speaker 4: nice mid level free agent who really played well for
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Speaker 4: New England. He also played for the Falcons early in
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Speaker 4: his career. There are a bunch of journeym in here.
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Speaker 4: Then they're guys like Donovan Wilson, a solid starting safety CJ.
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Speaker 3: Garter.
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Speaker 4: Johnson is a playmaker we know about We know he
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Speaker 4: moves on a lot. Teams get sick of him.
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Speaker 3: He moves on it.
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Speaker 4: But he's a good football player, Cisco. The problem is
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Speaker 4: he mistake game nine games with the Jets last season.
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Speaker 4: That won't help him. Nick Cross is a good football player. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: he's one of the best safeties out there. He plays
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Speaker 4: for the Colts. I'll be interested to see what Chris
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Speaker 4: Ballard does, because Ballard is they got to win. They
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Speaker 4: got a problem a quarterback with Daniel Jones coming back
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Speaker 4: from his torn achille. It crosses a good story of
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Speaker 4: development for them. Started every game the last two seasons
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Speaker 4: for them.
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Speaker 3: It's just a solid football player. I know.
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Speaker 4: Greg os Hells told us he really likes his tape. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: gotta look if your team needs a safety, that's a
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Speaker 4: guy to look at.
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Speaker 1: If he's a little a little puzzled, maybe you have
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Speaker 1: the answer to this odd You know what delay the
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Speaker 1: Colts had.
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Speaker 2: Do you even want to try to lock him up?
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Speaker 2: To a long return.
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Speaker 4: Well, you always remember they don't Most teams don't do
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Speaker 4: what Eagles do.
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Speaker 3: You typically do not. They don't wait.
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Speaker 4: They if they see it early, the guy's gonna they're
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Speaker 4: gonna try. After three years, almost all of them do.
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Speaker 4: The guys that they target on their list. Eagles have
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Speaker 4: a high percentage of getting these guys resigned. I mean
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Speaker 4: they try for melt Williams for a little bit. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: but his his people thought they could get way more
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Speaker 4: money and the Eagles were out very quickly. Yeah, it happens,
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Speaker 4: can't it's noways said, you can't resign everyone.
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Speaker 1: You just can't, right, and then they might that pinch
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Speaker 1: with with Reid Blankenship, who's another freezon.
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Speaker 3: Right right right exactly?
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Speaker 4: So looking at the list here as I go down here,
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Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant with a C Kobe with the Seahawks. It
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Speaker 4: started a bunch of games. Brian Cook, who started fully
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Speaker 4: the last two seasons for the Chiefs, not a bad
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Speaker 4: football player. And then there's a guy like Andrew Wingard
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Speaker 4: who's been with Jacksonville a long time. I don't say much, belind,
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Speaker 4: I just know that the fans get on him on
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Speaker 4: social media over the years. He's got the long hair.
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Speaker 4: Guy's been in the league a long time man, he's been.
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Speaker 4: He started all but one game last season, then was
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Speaker 4: a backup. Twenty one he was a full time starter.
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Speaker 4: He's more of a backup at this point of his
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Speaker 4: career as he gets closer to thirty. Nick Scott's a
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Speaker 4: journeyman who played a lot for the Panthers. Ashton Davis
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Speaker 4: was overdrafted by the Jestsey's an athlete, Okay, football player
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Speaker 4: like he's. He might get paid a little because he's
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Speaker 4: got some versatility.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: It was a guy for the Eagles this p I
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Speaker 4: have to look this up. I believe he might have
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Speaker 4: played for Fangio in Denver.
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Speaker 3: I'll look this up.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's that would be interesting.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, pg lock, let me look at him. His
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Speaker 3: name has come up to me over the years. Yeah
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Speaker 3: he did. He did play for vic You sure, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting.
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Speaker 1: You the Eagles have done well with bringing guys with knowledge.
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Speaker 2: Of the system, you know, bringing them in.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but just just it's they have a major problem
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Speaker 4: in how it's safety. If Reblack of Chip leaves, you
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Speaker 4: got Macouba, you got Cidney Brown, who's the only special
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Speaker 4: teams players. Contract is up there. Andre sam is a
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Speaker 4: nice for safety if he makes your team mixed. The Eagles,
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Speaker 4: look they have a safety issue. They have a depth
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Speaker 4: issue right now. Matt mcmickwams was not crosstrating. Now, Michael Carter,
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Speaker 4: if they keep from obviously he's not making ten million off,
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Speaker 4: you have to take a shave. But remember we we
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Speaker 4: we noted this at the time that trade and then
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Speaker 4: how he confirmed it to the reporters that they were
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Speaker 4: going to cross shame at safety. I have to look
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Speaker 4: this up. I believe Joe Casper might have been with
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Speaker 4: him at Duke.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right about that. I think we talked
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Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, okay, so yeah he did play safety, correct,
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Speaker 2: Yeah he did.
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Speaker 3: He was a safety.
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Speaker 4: And then I give I give Joe Douglas credit and
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Speaker 4: whoever Rex Hogan who was also the personnel director. They
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Speaker 4: made a smart move movement of safety. And look, he
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Speaker 4: got a contract with the Jets. He got extended because
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Speaker 4: he was a good young safety, one of the better
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Speaker 4: young safeties in the league. Sometimes it happens to you
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Speaker 4: extend the guy the next year he just falls off.
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Speaker 4: They wanted getting benched.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Vick liked him enough to play him in the dime,
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Speaker 1: you know, he might play that.
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Speaker 3: A little bit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you kind of wonder. You look at the list.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Carter's still young if it makes sense
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Speaker 1: to after they obviously part ways with the contract so
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Speaker 1: they don't have to own all that money. If you
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Speaker 1: bring him back as a safety instead of trying to
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Speaker 1: take your chance with some on this list, I mean.
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Speaker 3: He could be a backup Nickel and he could be
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Speaker 3: a safety. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: His cash number is ten point two five million, which
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Speaker 4: absolutely will not be acceptable you know, no, yeah, I
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Speaker 4: mean any of that at the time of the trade.
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Speaker 4: So we'll we'll see, we'll see what happens there with
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Speaker 4: Michael Carter. But you know, if he goes looking at safe,
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Speaker 4: cap space out and cash, well, the cash numbers are
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Speaker 4: unacceptable and the cap number two because they're almost almost
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Speaker 4: exactly the same there. So Apps, as I mentioned, is
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Speaker 4: out there. Tony Adams, he used to be a starting
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Speaker 4: safety or in his career. He's with the Jets, well traveled.
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Speaker 4: Xavier Woods was cut by the Titans. Durdan Poyer, who's
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Speaker 4: got to be close to the end of his career.
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Speaker 4: And then Dan Bell, who's played a lot.
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Speaker 3: He's not bad.
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Speaker 4: He's like a third safety, not a bad safety. Played
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Speaker 4: for the Giants. It played a lot of snaps last
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Speaker 4: season due to other injuries. Kim Curl we mentioned earlier.
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Speaker 4: Good player, it's not a playmaker.
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Speaker 3: It's actually good. It's actually a good sounid list.
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Speaker 4: But as you said earlier, if you're looking for a stud,
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Speaker 4: you're not getting one, right.
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Speaker 1: Like, I know, we've done some of these shows and
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Speaker 1: gotten to the last part of the position and did
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Speaker 1: kind of a collective yuck.
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Speaker 2: I don't see that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I see guys who can hold their own
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Speaker 1: in the NFL here and if again, if you put
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Speaker 1: him in a good environment around them, they can probably
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Speaker 1: do fairly well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: One of my favorite all time names, Alohi Gilman is
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Speaker 4: actually a good player. Formerly the Chargers, was involved in
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Speaker 4: the adjacent adopfi ol Way trade.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Former he played well for them too. The Ravens, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: he did. Now he's a good player.
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Speaker 4: Geno Stone, formerly the Ravens and the Bengals, sign a
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Speaker 4: free agency with the Bengals some years ago.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 4: I remember people have thought the Eagles were not.
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Speaker 3: On him at the time. They didn't. They showed no
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Speaker 3: interest in him.
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Speaker 4: For people wondering, because sometimes what happens is and like
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Speaker 4: all teams do, there's a guy like sometimes that they
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Speaker 4: missed out on in free agency. Then later in the
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Speaker 4: square they take a look at him. But get Stone
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Speaker 4: was not on the list we report at the time.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, Phillies, And see the thing is, there's so
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Speaker 4: it's a buyer's market of safety. There's so many of them,
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Speaker 4: a lot of mid level. Yes, there's some guys who
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Speaker 4: are better than average to good. There are no lead
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Speaker 4: safeties available. Cisco was so highly touted because he had
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Speaker 4: a ton of picks at Syracuse. He has it's been
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Speaker 4: the playmaker with a lot of In fact, I remember
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Speaker 4: talking to Dave Campo, the former Cowboys defense coordinator head coach,
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Speaker 4: because he think he lives in Jacksonville. Okay, I saw
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Speaker 4: him at camp one year and I just remember him
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Speaker 4: telling me because he knew his career, like I guess
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Speaker 4: he falls college football because he goes this guy's got
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Speaker 4: to be the playmaker and they thought they were getting
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Speaker 4: and he just never became that with Jacksonville.
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Speaker 2: I remember he had an interception against the Eagles. Was
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Speaker 2: it like three years.
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Speaker 1: Ago when they played that game in the rain against Jacksonville?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that game that that was the Trevor Lawrence Lawrence
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Speaker 4: did he turnover fumble at four times or something?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, the Eagles had some turnover issues that day
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Speaker 2: as well. I remember Cisco had an I'm almost positive
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Speaker 2: he had and uh.
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Speaker 4: What I mean five years he's had eight picks. Yeah,
10:05
Speaker 4: but those are individual plays. Always have to warn people, right,
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Speaker 4: it's there are other big plays that you make.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: He not much of a blitzer. He's a fine football player,
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Speaker 4: but he I have to look up his college rummers.
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Speaker 4: I just remember, like what, uh Dave Campa pointed out
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Speaker 4: to me how good he was in college with big plays.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, wow, yep.
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Speaker 1: By the way, he returned that one against Eagles for
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Speaker 1: a touchdown fifty nine yards?
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, okay twenty two.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a couple of years ago. I
10:31
Speaker 2: remember the game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know from Queens.
10:37
Speaker 2: How about that?
10:37
Speaker 1: How about that?
10:38
Speaker 3: All right?
10:40
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy to see? I still remember when.
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Speaker 1: This guy was drafted at the bottom of the first
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Speaker 1: first round. H Harrison Smith and I think he was
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Speaker 1: drafted in twenty twelve.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, went up on free age.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he spent his entire career with the Vikings.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy he.
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Speaker 3: Did it is crazy boy. The Eagles burned him in
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Speaker 3: the seventeen championship game. Sure did by Cisco. His first
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Speaker 3: is Wow, now I get it. Cisco had twelve picks.
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Speaker 2: Oh my lord.
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Speaker 4: It is first two years at Syracuse. That's a lot
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Speaker 4: for over two years and apparently like he was great
11:15
Speaker 4: at diagnosing but in it Jackson didn't bring him back.
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Speaker 3: But Harrison Smith. Yeah, I mean he's gonna be a
11:22
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Yeah.
11:23
Speaker 4: You know Tony Jefferson, the well traveled Tony Jefferson was
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Speaker 4: a real stud early in his career. He's near the
11:27
Speaker 4: NS I mentioned Ployer. So again, it's a it's a
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Speaker 4: pretty deep list. No studs, but some good football players.
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Speaker 2: Twenty one and up right, this goes.
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Speaker 1: Only twenty five man, he can Yeah, if you're not
13:42
Speaker 1: paying him to get you eight interceptions, you know, a
13:45
Speaker 1: year eight or ten, he can probably still play and
13:47
Speaker 1: be a good starter in this league.
13:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
13:50
Speaker 4: So again, it's like Donovan Wilson, I solid football player, wron.
13:57
Speaker 4: I'll be interested to see what the Bears do because
13:59
Speaker 4: they're top free safeties run So it's kind of weird. Yeah,
14:03
Speaker 4: would they have interest because Gardner Johnson had to say
14:05
Speaker 4: whatever you want about his versatilities is great, right, Remember
14:09
Speaker 4: remember the first couple of games he put up massive
14:11
Speaker 4: numbers for the Bears, y sacks and a huge first game.
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Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, absolutely because I fought.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's a Penn State guy, so I remember
14:18
Speaker 1: watching thinking he was going to be a big, big star.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So look, it's very interesting list.
14:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're making a good point. The Bears
14:28
Speaker 1: has had a really good season to make the playoffs.
14:30
Speaker 1: They win a huge playoff game, come back against the Packers.
14:33
Speaker 1: You know, the loss of the Rams was a very
14:35
Speaker 1: close game. They usually could have won it. And you
14:37
Speaker 1: look at their secondary, which is always a good part
14:40
Speaker 1: of their defense. Right, all three safeties free agents.
14:43
Speaker 2: I think we mentioned in.
14:44
Speaker 1: The Cornerback podcast, Na Shaan Wright is going to be
14:47
Speaker 1: a free agent.
14:47
Speaker 2: I mean, who are they bringing back? I mean they
14:49
Speaker 2: got to have bodies there.
14:50
Speaker 4: It's a lot to the other problem is their pass
14:53
Speaker 4: rush is awful, Oh terrible.
14:56
Speaker 3: They have they got to get maxed.
14:59
Speaker 4: What they got to make decision Dio Danngbo that the
15:02
Speaker 4: edge who came up from the Colts. He suffered achilles
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Speaker 4: inturry last season and and that was his first year
15:09
Speaker 4: of a three year deal. But man, their past rush
15:12
Speaker 4: is awful. They have to, like if they moved all
15:16
Speaker 4: that cash. They moved the cash almost twenty four million
15:20
Speaker 4: for this season in the DT war trade. Yeah, they
15:23
Speaker 4: got to use that cash that they're not they're not spending,
15:26
Speaker 4: and they got to get an edge and they got
15:27
Speaker 4: to get a big one.
15:28
Speaker 1: Listen, that's the team, Adam that I you know, I
15:30
Speaker 1: think it wrote about this on Philly Voice. It did
15:32
Speaker 1: a little bit of a fun like prediction of where
15:35
Speaker 1: the Eagles free agents would go if they don't re
15:37
Speaker 1: sign with the Eagles, And I believe I had I
15:40
Speaker 1: had the Bears and and Jill and Phillips as a
15:43
Speaker 1: marriage there, because it just makes.
15:44
Speaker 4: Oh boy, you know what they have to Ryan Pouls
15:48
Speaker 4: has been willing to be aggressive.
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Speaker 3: Yep, he knows it. You know that that's a position
15:52
Speaker 3: they've got to get done, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right. That is a pretty good
15:58
Speaker 2: look at the safeties here.
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Speaker 1: You know that Kim Croll I just find him interesting,
16:03
Speaker 1: you know, just because he used to play for the
16:05
Speaker 1: Commanders and we knew how much of a glue guy
16:08
Speaker 1: he was when he was with Washington.
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Speaker 2: Then he went out to LA and had two years there.
16:13
Speaker 2: You know, just Okay, I mean he was.
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Speaker 1: He's just one of those kind of veterans I think
16:16
Speaker 1: I can that can help you if you're just not
16:18
Speaker 1: asking him to do too much.
16:19
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's fine.
16:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting list. All right, that's gonna do that. I
16:24
Speaker 2: think we're done.
16:24
Speaker 1: We've we've done everything agency and I think the big
16:28
Speaker 1: summary is it's not a great free agent class.
16:31
Speaker 4: It's not over now, so should we make we must?
16:34
Speaker 4: Well say Greg co Sell's coming back, of course for
16:36
Speaker 4: yet another year with us.
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Speaker 3: Good point. We know when we're gonna start our shows
16:39
Speaker 3: with Greg.
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Speaker 1: So first Greg by next week, probably by Wednesday or Thursday,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna recap the first wave of free agency with us,
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Speaker 1: and then pretty the week after that, and then we'll
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Speaker 1: start recording some shows with him. But the week after
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Speaker 1: that we'll start pumping out the NFL Draft previews. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, creation great and we'll have all of the
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Speaker 1: guys broken down.
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Speaker 3: Awesome, man, looking forward to it. Awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be great and we're really looking forward.
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Speaker 1: And I think we'll for our Patreon folks, we've got
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Speaker 1: some ask Greg Cosels lined up for him for them
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Speaker 1: as well, so we can answer their questions alive in
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Speaker 1: that room, so.
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Speaker 2: All good stuff.
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Speaker 1: And we do have some other good asking Eagles coming
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Speaker 1: up to after free agency is over with, so everything,
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Speaker 1: we're about to take that pedal.
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Speaker 2: And put it right down to the medal.
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Speaker 1: Right there as we get ready for free agency in
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Speaker 1: the new league year and then the draft right all right,
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Speaker 1: that we'll do it for this episode of Inside the Birds,
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