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The Book of Astrological Returns with Theresa Reed · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What's going to happen? Help?
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Speaker 1: What I welcome back to the occult rejects. Today we're
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Speaker 1: diving into a subject that a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: heard pieces of, but not always the whole architecture of it.
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Speaker 1: Most people have heard the phrase sad in return. It
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Speaker 1: is one of those astrological ideas that has escaped out
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Speaker 1: of astrology circles and into the wider culture. But what
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Speaker 1: if Saturn Returned is only one chamber in a much
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Speaker 1: larger clock. What if the human life is marked by
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Speaker 1: a whole series of returns, cycles, thresholds, and recurrences, each
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Speaker 1: one carrying its own pressure, lesson opening or demand to
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Speaker 1: win us today as Teresa Reid, also known as the
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Speaker 1: Taro Lady, a long time Tower Reader, astrologer, teacher, and
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Speaker 1: author whose work has helped make these subjects more accessible
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Speaker 1: without flattening their death. Teresa has worked as a full
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Speaker 1: time Taro professional for more than thirty years, has written
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Speaker 1: multiple books, and hosts podcasts and teaches widely through her platform.
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Speaker 1: Her new book is The Book of Astrological Returns, Your
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Speaker 1: Complete Guide to every life cycle from the Sun to Pluto.
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Speaker 1: On her official book page is described as the first
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Speaker 1: comprehensive book of its kind, covering every planetary return from
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Speaker 1: the Sun to Pluto. Written for both astrologers and astrology enthusiasts,
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Speaker 1: the core idea is simple but powerful. When a planet
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Speaker 1: returns to the same position it held at the moment
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Speaker 1: of your birth, a new cycle begins. So today we're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about planetary timing, life cycles, reoccurrence, fate,
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Speaker 1: free will, and whether astrology is really showing us what
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Speaker 1: will happen or whether it's showing us what certain doors
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Speaker 1: are more likely to open. But before we introduce the guests,
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Speaker 1: I do have an announcement I would like to make.
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Speaker 1: Also want to remind people about the website. If you're
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Speaker 1: into reading, we have tons of information by multiple contributors.
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Speaker 1: We got t shirts up on the site if you're
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Speaker 1: interested and fun fact, the art is based on the eyebill.
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Speaker 1: I myself will be adding stuff to the site shortly.
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Speaker 1: If I have not already by the time you have
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Speaker 1: listened to this, it may be under a new tab,
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Speaker 1: So check it out. All right, That is enough out
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Speaker 1: of me, And please Teresa, let everybody know anything in
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Speaker 1: my left out or anything you want to advertise a plug.
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Speaker 2: Actually, you got everything really really well covered, So I
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Speaker 2: appreciate such a great intro. I mean, the biggest thing
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Speaker 2: right now is that we have a book coming out.
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Speaker 2: It is dropping on May fourth, May the fourth be
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Speaker 2: with me, and that is the Book of Astrological Returns.
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Speaker 2: So I'm super stoked about it.
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Speaker 1: Did you have any say in the release date? I
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Speaker 1: know some book companies like they picked out themselves, But
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Speaker 1: was that a.
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Speaker 2: Little bit of say, you know, I get a little
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Speaker 2: bit you know what publishers you don't totally they have
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Speaker 2: an idea of when it's going to happen. But of
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Speaker 2: course I went and looked at the astrology for the day,
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Speaker 2: and I said, okay, that's a great day, and let's
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Speaker 2: go with it.
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Speaker 1: Nice. That's what I was also wondering too, especially with
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Speaker 1: your being in what you're into nice all right, So
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Speaker 1: kind of like like it's kind of the same question
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Speaker 1: I asked all my guests. You know, for people who
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Speaker 1: know who you are, I may not know your full story.
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Speaker 1: What first pulled you into taro and astrology? What made
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Speaker 1: you get into that?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I grew up in a household with
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Speaker 2: the mother who was very psychic. It was a very
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Speaker 2: superstitious household. It was also a religious household. And I'm
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Speaker 2: not a religious person. I'd never been a religious person,
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Speaker 2: even when I was little. I just wasn't. But I
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Speaker 2: knew that there was something out there that somehow had
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Speaker 2: answers for me, but I didn't know what. And I
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Speaker 2: remember being a very young child and I would see
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Speaker 2: in the back of the National Inquirer these books about
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Speaker 2: witchcraft and stuff like that, and I was fascinated with
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Speaker 2: the occult topics. But I didn't get into anything until
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Speaker 2: I was a teenager. When I was a teenager, Oh
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Speaker 2: my god, Sabrina.
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Speaker 3: Oh I got high, sir, late, I clicked the wrong link.
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Speaker 1: Oh when you're sitting in like the Google calendar like things. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: it's okay.
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Speaker 2: I love Sabrina. Oh my god, I've a.
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Speaker 3: Great company yesterday, so I'm like, this is great two
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Speaker 3: days ago.
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Speaker 2: I can't say now, you're going to be sick of
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Speaker 2: me after to day. I was just talking to a
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Speaker 2: story about how I got into all these things, and so,
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Speaker 2: you know, it was just laying the backdrop that you know,
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Speaker 2: my childhood was. It was kind of weird, and there
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Speaker 2: was you know, a lot of religion, a lot of superstition,
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Speaker 2: very psychic mother. But but I got into all the
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Speaker 2: occult things. Even though I, you know, had an inkling
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Speaker 2: that I liked witchy things, it didn't happen till I
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Speaker 2: was a teenager. And what happened is I was like
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Speaker 2: a weirdo in school. I was like, you know, into
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Speaker 2: my punk music and all that stuff, and there weren't
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Speaker 2: many like me there. But I did end up making
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Speaker 2: friends with this one girl who was very unusual. She
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Speaker 2: had been homeschooled. She went into high school like kind
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Speaker 2: of as a lark to see if she could fit in,
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Speaker 2: and she didn't. So of course we were drawn to
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Speaker 2: each other. We became fast friends. And her mother was
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Speaker 2: really unusual because this was a rural area. But her
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Speaker 2: mother was a pianist, she was a psychologist, and she
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Speaker 2: was an astrologer. And so her mother did my astrology
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Speaker 2: chart and I was blown away. It made more sense
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Speaker 2: than anything that I had encountered thus far, and I'm like,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, there's something to this. So I started
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Speaker 2: studying astrology. Like immediately, I was like obsessed, and I'm
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Speaker 2: a very obsessive person, by the way. And then one
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Speaker 2: of the days when I was in a bookstore trying
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Speaker 2: to get the book that she had, which I didn't
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Speaker 2: get until you know, much later, I saw a Taro deck,
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Speaker 2: and I had seen Taro decks on TV in the
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Speaker 2: movies that I'm like, oh my god, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: buy this thing. And so I bought it on a
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Speaker 2: whim and I took it home and I got obsessed
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Speaker 2: with that. And so this was all at the age
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Speaker 2: of fifteen, and I'm in my sixties now, So for
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Speaker 2: forty some years now, I have been absolutely into taro
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Speaker 2: in astrology. And that's how I got into all of
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Speaker 2: these things. Just the weird was it an accident? Who knows?
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Speaker 2: Of being friends with somebody who also just didn't fit in?
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Speaker 1: That is cool as hell? How Taro got you into it,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I would assume then, like the way
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Speaker 1: you look at taro, you do look at it with
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Speaker 1: like the planetarian, astrological and elemental associations? Do you look
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Speaker 1: at it that? Of course?
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Speaker 2: Because it made sense. You know, here's the interesting thing,
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Speaker 2: you know, because I had the astrology background first, when
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Speaker 2: I started putting tarot together with it, I'm like, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: that makes sense. Of course, that's why this is this.
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Speaker 2: It made sense. And there are some things like I
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Speaker 2: know there are people who do things that they get
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Speaker 2: real nitty gritty with the astrology in Tarot. Sometimes I
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Speaker 2: think that that's over intellectualizing the whole thing and it
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Speaker 2: doesn't allow you to be intuitive. I'm more of an
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Speaker 2: intuitive reader than I am one of those super like,
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Speaker 2: let me look at tarot and get into every little
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Speaker 2: mathematical equation and this and that. I look at patterns.
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Speaker 2: I'm very much in the pattern recognition what I feel.
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Speaker 2: So when I read Taroll, that's how I read t
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Speaker 2: When I do astrology, astrology satisfies, but by need to
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Speaker 2: analyze things, and that allows me to go down a
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Speaker 2: million different rabbit holes and look at all kinds of
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Speaker 2: different things and try to figure out, you know, what
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Speaker 2: is this thing called life? And where am I going?
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Speaker 3: I love that you just said all of that. Like, personally,
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Speaker 3: I've always found the astrology tarot stuff like a bit excessive. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I'm always like, if you want to do astrology, just
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Speaker 3: go do astrology. Like if you want to read Taro,
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Speaker 3: read Taro, like there's enough in the cards themselves without
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Speaker 3: being like hold on, we need to map this out
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Speaker 3: to this and that and like whatever people want to do. Like,
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Speaker 3: I'm in support of that, Yolo do your thing. There's
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Speaker 3: room enough for everyone. But for me, I'm right with you.
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Speaker 3: Like Taro for me is such an intuitive kind of
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Speaker 3: channeling aspect that there needs to be that spaciousness to
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Speaker 3: not be so confined by the hold on this card
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Speaker 3: is associated with this which blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. You've become what happens that you should start
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Speaker 2: splitting hairs and then you're not allowing the flow of
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Speaker 2: information because you've got to stop and think that's okay
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Speaker 2: when you're doing astrology, because astrology is a bunch of math,
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Speaker 2: you know, But Taro's it's art. You've got to like
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Speaker 2: feel things out. It's kind of like when you see
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Speaker 2: signs from the universe, which I'm really into science. I
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Speaker 2: think everything's a sign. I get musical oracles all the time.
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Speaker 2: I don't stop and sit there and think, okay, well,
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Speaker 2: here's like all the stuff in there. I'm like, oh no,
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Speaker 2: that's my sign. That's it. I'm going to go with this.
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Speaker 2: I'll figure out what it means. I want to feel it.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to se if they're an over analyst
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Speaker 2: that you lose it.
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Speaker 1: Then I agree with that. Uh Sabrina, did you want
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Speaker 1: to ask anything before I keep going? I want you
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Speaker 1: to going.
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Speaker 3: I interrupted you guys.
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Speaker 1: Oh, actually you know what real? Quick plug? Your show?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Everything?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I've got two shows. I think it's up
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Speaker 3: of which podcast is just me babbling about whatever the
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Speaker 3: hell I want basically, which is usually spirituality, tarot, relationships, psychology,
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Speaker 3: things of that nature. And then I've also got the
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Speaker 3: Heal and Harm Show, which both of these lovely folks
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Speaker 3: have actually recorded two episodes each with me. Actually one
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Speaker 3: of each is out and the other two are scheduled.
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Speaker 3: So if you cannot get enough of these two lovely
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Speaker 3: folks that are here with me, check out the Heal
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Speaker 3: and Harm Show on YouTube, slash wherever the hell you
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Speaker 3: get your podcasts. But we talk about the ups and
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Speaker 3: downs of spirituality and self help and all of that
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Speaker 3: fun stuff. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to
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Speaker 3: plug my shit.
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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, thank you for coming on. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate it, Thanks for having me. Yeah, I guess you
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Speaker 1: know I was going to ask you, do you remember
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Speaker 1: when it stopped being a curiosity and became part of
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Speaker 1: your life's work. But it seemed like that kind of
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Speaker 1: happened right away. I mean you kind of got right away.
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Speaker 2: I'm an obsessive person. I'm a super obsessive person. So
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Speaker 2: when I get into something, I'm into it. And you know,
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Speaker 2: of course I have my wins too, Like I'll get
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Speaker 2: into some things for a while to be really into it,
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Speaker 2: and then I'm like whatever. But generally I tend to
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Speaker 2: be very much gung ho. When I'm gung ho, I'm
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Speaker 2: the same way in a relationship. If I'm into you,
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Speaker 2: I'm into you.
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Speaker 1: You know it.
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Speaker 2: No, if fans a bus.
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Speaker 3: I've got a question, like, where do you think that
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Speaker 3: comes from? Like in your astroichart? Like that obsessive quality.
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Speaker 2: A wounded scorpio. Of course, yes, most wound and scorpio
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Speaker 2: people that I know, fellow mound and scorpios, we tend
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Speaker 2: to have that obsessive quality about us, and that could
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Speaker 2: be really unhealthy, by the way, if it's led to extremes,
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Speaker 2: it could lead to you being you know, like a freak.
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Speaker 2: I'm not a stalker or anything like that. It's just
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Speaker 2: I have the things that I get into that I
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Speaker 2: really get into, you know, So in that way, I'm
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Speaker 2: very intense emotionally. So I think that's one scorpiod thing. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And anytime you got Scorpio in your chart, and you
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Speaker 2: know this, because you have a Mars and scorpiod, you're
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Speaker 2: going to have some intensity. You're not going to be
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Speaker 2: half asked about anything. You're going to have some depth.
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Speaker 2: You want more, you want meaning. The other thing is
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Speaker 2: I have a loaded eighth house. It is packed to
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Speaker 2: the gills, and I have a mercury a sun mercury
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Speaker 2: Kasimi in Gemini that sits in the eighth house. So
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Speaker 2: eighth House has a lot to say about sex and
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Speaker 2: death and the occulton, you know, all those dark taboo topics,
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Speaker 2: and the sun of mercury in Kazimi is really also
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Speaker 2: kind of like an intensifier. So if I go down
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Speaker 2: that rat hole, I'm going down that rabbit hole and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be really into it. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: you got me in a rabbit hole last night, Sabrina,
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Speaker 2: because I went and read about that that Lindy West. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let me go see what this is that you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I had to like stop myself, say girl,
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Speaker 2: get offline, go tod.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you looked into that.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. I drag everyone along with
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Speaker 3: me into the craziness.
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Speaker 1: My thought.
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Speaker 2: We got into it too. We were all like, that's
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Speaker 2: what we were talking about, and I blame.
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Speaker 3: You, all right, you know what, it would be interesting
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Speaker 3: to do her astro a chart actually and be like, girl,
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Speaker 3: why are not even in this crazy way? Hey, come
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Speaker 3: on now?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, oh my god. Yeah. So that's where
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Speaker 2: the obsessive stuff comes from. Anytime you've got like a
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Speaker 2: moving scorpio, if you have a loaded eight house, if
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Speaker 2: you have Mercury and Scorpio, I mean, anything in scorpio, really,
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Speaker 2: you're going to be I had a friend who was
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Speaker 2: a triple scorpio sun Moon and oh my god, let
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Speaker 2: me tell you about this dude, though Moon. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: sun Moon and Rising all in scorpio. The most intense
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Speaker 2: person I knew, the most violent person I knew. We
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Speaker 2: had a lot of fun together. He was really super crazy.
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Speaker 2: Every woman I know sleck with this guy. I'm the
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Speaker 2: woman who is the badge of a hounter for not
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Speaker 2: sleeping with him, because yeah, No. I was like, nah, no,
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Speaker 2: not my type, but very very And he was the
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Speaker 2: absolute best terror reader I've ever met in my life.
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Speaker 2: I have never had anyone read me like this dude.
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Speaker 2: And he was not a professional he should have been.
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Speaker 2: He was incredible, like Banana's good to details. That was like,
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Speaker 2: there's no way this guy could have known that. And
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Speaker 2: the readings with him stuck with me like no other readings.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: But he's intense and deep and scary. I mean, what's
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Speaker 2: not to love about that.
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Speaker 1: I get that.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm a Scorpios fan.
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Speaker 1: I like you, three zeros. You've been at this, like
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Speaker 1: you mentioned before, you've been at this for a long
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Speaker 1: long enough a long time. What do you think you've
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Speaker 1: seen anything change in how people approach astrology from then
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Speaker 1: till now.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's been a lot. I mean we could talk
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Speaker 2: a lot about the way things have changed. You know.
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Speaker 2: First of all, back in the day, if you were
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Speaker 2: doing this as a business, you did not have computer software.
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Speaker 2: You do everything by hand. Mistakes were made, you know,
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Speaker 2: So the advent of computer really changed things for astrologers
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Speaker 2: because suddenly have software to make sure you could check
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Speaker 2: your accuracy you're not doing everything by hand. Now instead
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Speaker 2: of focusing on the day of math, which I like
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Speaker 2: because I'm nerdy, But now instead of that, you can
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Speaker 2: focus really on the interpretation part, which was really really lovely.
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Speaker 2: It did a lot of heavy lifting for people. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, the one thing we can say is technology
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Speaker 2: really change things for the better for a lot of astrologers. Also,
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Speaker 2: the information has become way more accessible now. Back in
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Speaker 2: the day when I was learning all this stuff, there
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Speaker 2: was not as many tarot decks. There was not easily
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Speaker 2: accessible information for those of us who lived in a
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Speaker 2: rural area. Once in a while, I'd get to the
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Speaker 2: mall that was rare and go to the tiny bookstore
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Speaker 2: and get the few things you could get in these
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Speaker 2: little sections, but there was no access. I didn't have
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Speaker 2: a teacher, couldn't find a teacher, not in where I lived.
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Speaker 2: So the Internet and the computers really made things very
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Speaker 2: accessible now. The other thing is when I began working
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Speaker 2: as a professional, and remember I've been doing this a
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Speaker 2: long time, it was before the and there was a
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Speaker 2: lot of a lot more stigma, and I would encounter
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Speaker 2: people who would make the sign of the Cross when
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Speaker 2: they saw me and boon at what I did. Who
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Speaker 2: would want nothing to do with me, who thought it
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Speaker 2: was a freak. I've had people scream at me. I
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Speaker 2: had a guy, a dude try to attack me once
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Speaker 2: at an event that I was doing because you thought
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Speaker 2: I was the devil. I mean, this kind of stuff
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Speaker 2: so super scary, creepy things, and you know that was
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Speaker 2: really hard, that stigma. Mary Greer once said that tarot's
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Speaker 2: an outlaw profession, and I agree with it. But now
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Speaker 2: because of the internets there, the accessibility is wonderful. You
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Speaker 2: can get the information. You can find teachers and mentors,
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Speaker 2: and you could find information about this astrology, that astrology,
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Speaker 2: this thing, that thing, this tarot. You could find so
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Speaker 2: much information. You could buy a book by clicking a link.
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Speaker 2: That's it. You just got to click it. It's sent
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Speaker 2: to your home. You don't have to go to the shop.
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Speaker 2: You don't do any of that. There are Kickstarter decks,
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Speaker 2: There are decks for everything that you could imagine. Cat decks,
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Speaker 2: dog decks, baseball decks. I mean, it's mind blowing how
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Speaker 2: much there is. And there's also a lot more people
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Speaker 2: now that are out there in business. And while that's good,
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Speaker 2: it's also not good because there's also a lot of misinformation, disinformation,
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Speaker 2: irresponsible people, exploitative people. There are people putting out information
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Speaker 2: that is harmful, that is wrong. They are doing things
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Speaker 2: that are scaring people flipping them out. There are people
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Speaker 2: who have no credentials that have taken a class or
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Speaker 2: read a book and they think they should be doing
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Speaker 2: this stuff and they are causing real harm. And then
17:46
Speaker 2: you have other predators. You have the predators who do
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Speaker 2: these certification programs that really are nothing more than a
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Speaker 2: way for them to make money and give you a
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Speaker 2: piece of paper and nobody's going to look at your
17:56
Speaker 2: paper asks are you a legitimateial reader. Nobody's ever asked
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Speaker 2: me that number thirty year. It's a crock for someone
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Speaker 2: to make money. So the good part is yay accessibility
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Speaker 2: and yay it's easier for me for people to find
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Speaker 2: my work. But it also opens the door for very
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Speaker 2: exploitative people to do harm. And that's where I have
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Speaker 2: a problem with it. That's the changes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought of the whole internet thing. How
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Speaker 1: just well one like you mentioned before, how you can
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Speaker 1: make the birth charts. I mean, that's gotta be so
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Speaker 1: much more time. I would even think, just for me
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Speaker 1: doing Jamatri, I can go online now and do it
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Speaker 1: instead of trying to do all that you know by
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Speaker 1: man so much. Yeah, it's such a difference, but I
18:39
Speaker 1: never realized and you're saying it now and it's like
18:41
Speaker 1: it hit me. I was like, Yeah, because of the
18:43
Speaker 1: technology and the social media, podcasts and all this stuff,
18:49
Speaker 1: you you will have much more of a slew of
18:51
Speaker 1: people that like, don't really know what they're talking about,
18:55
Speaker 1: but since they have an outlet and they can be
18:57
Speaker 1: seen by people people who don't know anything about it,
19:00
Speaker 1: almost sudden think that this person must, especially if they
19:04
Speaker 1: like put on a whole outfit, you know.
19:07
Speaker 2: Yes, And then you've got the ego maniacs too that
19:10
Speaker 2: want to gatekeeper police everything and act like you know,
19:14
Speaker 2: simarly there's this hierarchy. And I'm not one of those.
19:17
Speaker 2: I think the information should be accessible, but we all
19:19
Speaker 2: need to put on our thinking caps, our critical thinking.
19:23
Speaker 2: We need to make sure we are citing our sources,
19:25
Speaker 2: vetting our sources, and finding the people that resonate with us.
19:29
Speaker 2: And that's not always going to be the ones who
19:31
Speaker 2: put on the suit and make it sound like they
19:33
Speaker 2: are the Noah and end all and be all either.
19:35
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of trouble with that. Again, the Internet.
19:39
Speaker 2: I think David Bowie once said they asked him what
19:41
Speaker 2: he thought the Internet was going to be, and he said,
19:44
Speaker 2: you know, it was going to be great and horrible
19:46
Speaker 2: at the same time. And he's right, And for the
19:49
Speaker 2: work that we do, it's been great, but it has
19:53
Speaker 2: also led to a lot of problems. It's helped with
19:57
Speaker 2: the stigma though. People are less freaked out now now
20:00
Speaker 2: they hear, oh, you're a tarot reader astrologer. Nobody cares
20:03
Speaker 2: now I rarely have rarely Instead, now I'm like kind
20:09
Speaker 2: of cool.
20:10
Speaker 1: You know you think I could ask you a few questions?
20:14
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, they do that.
20:18
Speaker 1: You uh for you personally? Do you do taro and
20:22
Speaker 1: astrology do different jobs or do you think they work
20:25
Speaker 1: best together?
20:27
Speaker 2: They do different jobs in my opinion, So what I
20:30
Speaker 2: died with astrology? Let's talk about astrology first. So astrology
20:35
Speaker 2: first give you a rundown of your personality, your strengths,
20:38
Speaker 2: your weaknesses. Now you've got a pretty good idea of
20:39
Speaker 2: who you are. It's like it's like your needle charts,
20:41
Speaker 2: like the map of you. It's the manual of you.
20:44
Speaker 2: So it's a map, and then the current planets in
20:46
Speaker 2: the sky those are like traffic. And so you've got
20:50
Speaker 2: your map. You know how to drive, and now we
20:53
Speaker 2: can see how the traffic is going, so we can
20:55
Speaker 2: figure out how to navigate through this again thing called life.
20:59
Speaker 2: And then we can look at other things like your
21:01
Speaker 2: progress chart can show you know what kind of a
21:04
Speaker 2: driver you're becoming. Are you becoming a good driver, or
21:06
Speaker 2: are you becoming off the rails? You know, So it
21:09
Speaker 2: gives you really this forecast and a map again of
21:15
Speaker 2: you and your life and where things are going or
21:17
Speaker 2: where things can go. But Taro is the down and
21:20
Speaker 2: dirty way to get to the detours. You know. Astrology
21:23
Speaker 2: can take you, your map can take you in many
21:25
Speaker 2: different places. But if I want an answer now, I'm
21:29
Speaker 2: gonna pull out the tarot cards. Tara also allows you
21:31
Speaker 2: to tap into the intuitive part. And so think of
21:34
Speaker 2: it again, I'm gonna use drive against an analogy. I
21:38
Speaker 2: if sometimes when I'm driving, I just kind of get
21:41
Speaker 2: a feeling like maybe I should take a different route,
21:43
Speaker 2: and I go with my feelings always, and when I
21:46
Speaker 2: go in a different route later on I find out,
21:47
Speaker 2: oh my god, there's a big traffic accident or something
21:51
Speaker 2: in this part of talent. Good thing. I listened to
21:53
Speaker 2: my instinct. So tara really gives you the ability to
21:56
Speaker 2: tap in and maybe avoid some of the things that
21:59
Speaker 2: you might see. And by the way, way, I'm a
22:00
Speaker 2: believer in free will. I think I straddle fate and
22:04
Speaker 2: free will are some things fate? Yeah, I mean here
22:07
Speaker 2: we are today, us three meeting on the computer, having
22:11
Speaker 2: this conversation. It was scheduled, it was meant to be.
22:14
Speaker 2: But we could also say, well, I could have made
22:16
Speaker 2: a choice not to show up.
22:17
Speaker 1: Today, so can I.
22:20
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, an astrology and taroor both can
22:24
Speaker 2: show you where things are going. But a good astrologer
22:27
Speaker 2: or tarroor reader will also tell you how to make
22:31
Speaker 2: the most of the situation, how to avoid drama, or
22:35
Speaker 2: if you're stuck in drama, how to find the best
22:37
Speaker 2: way to extricate yourself or to cope with it. So
22:40
Speaker 2: really both the tools I think work well together. When
22:42
Speaker 2: I used to read for the public and I don't anymore,
22:44
Speaker 2: I stopped reading for the public six years ago, I
22:47
Speaker 2: would all start with a general outlook, and general outworks
22:50
Speaker 2: are very tricky to do, not many tarot readers do them.
22:53
Speaker 2: I would say, don't tell me anything. Let me just
22:55
Speaker 2: weigh out the cars, look at the cards, so this
22:57
Speaker 2: is what I see for the year ahead. Then I
22:59
Speaker 2: would get their data birth and the planets, the transits
23:02
Speaker 2: to say, okay, well these transits match up with this
23:06
Speaker 2: or if they don't, this is what they're showing about this, this,
23:09
Speaker 2: and this that you also need to pay attention to two.
23:12
Speaker 2: And now you get to ask questions. And then they
23:14
Speaker 2: would ask questions and we would go from there and
23:16
Speaker 2: I would mainly use tarot unless was a timing question,
23:19
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna look at astrology. That's how I worked.
23:25
Speaker 3: I got a question, actually, so why did you decide
23:27
Speaker 3: to go with the tarot lady instead of the astrology
23:30
Speaker 3: lady or the astro tarot ladies. So you're known on
23:34
Speaker 3: the internet as the tarot ladies, Like, what was kind
23:37
Speaker 3: of the thought behind that?
23:39
Speaker 2: Well, it's so stupid because my clients would always come
23:42
Speaker 2: and say, you have to come and see my tarot lady,
23:44
Speaker 2: you know, And so that's the only reason why I
23:48
Speaker 2: chose it. There was no other reason. And you know tarot.
23:52
Speaker 2: I will say that I used taroll in the reading
23:56
Speaker 2: because I'm a very fast reader. Probably eighty percent of
24:02
Speaker 2: the reading was tarot, twenty percent was astrology. And a
24:05
Speaker 2: lot of people really really really want that tarot because
24:08
Speaker 2: sometimes astrology feels over people's heads, even though can break
24:12
Speaker 2: it down, it feels over their heads. And that again,
24:15
Speaker 2: tarot's down and dirty, and so that's what it would be.
24:18
Speaker 2: People say, oh, I could wait to see my Tarot Lady,
24:22
Speaker 2: and I would give people called to for an appointment.
24:24
Speaker 2: This is said that lady that does tarot. You know,
24:28
Speaker 2: I can't remember this. Back in the day before you
24:30
Speaker 2: could book online, I would get these phone calls like that.
24:33
Speaker 2: So when I put the website up, Teresa Reid wasn't available.
24:37
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted, and so I said, oh screw,
24:40
Speaker 2: I'll just look at to see if Tarot Lady's available.
24:42
Speaker 1: And it was, so I grabbed it.
24:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Teresa Reid just became available. I finally bought
24:48
Speaker 2: it from the person who held it for twenty years
24:51
Speaker 2: and I got it. So it now goes to the
24:54
Speaker 2: Tarot Lady.
24:55
Speaker 1: That's awesome, you know, even with the whole thing, it's
25:00
Speaker 1: like the taro I can see even with customers or whatever, clients,
25:06
Speaker 1: you're kind of showing them something too, there's something tangible besides,
25:09
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you're showing birth charts or what,
25:11
Speaker 1: but when you're laying out cards, I just feel like
25:13
Speaker 1: that's more interactive and it might even just make it
25:16
Speaker 1: more comfortable, easier for them.
25:19
Speaker 2: People love a visual aid. They love to see the pictures.
25:23
Speaker 2: They love it, and it opens up curiosity, opens up conversations,
25:27
Speaker 2: and sometimes too, for when you're doing readings. I mean,
25:31
Speaker 2: you can pull a card and instead of interpreting it,
25:34
Speaker 2: you can give it to a client and say, okay,
25:36
Speaker 2: now you pull this death card, what does that mean
25:39
Speaker 2: to you? What are you getting out of this? What's
25:42
Speaker 2: changing in your life? Now we've got these big, deep
25:44
Speaker 2: conversations happening, because taro isn't just about prediction, and neither
25:48
Speaker 2: is astrology, by the way. It is about opening up
25:51
Speaker 2: a conversation and looking at again where we are, where
25:55
Speaker 2: we're going, who we are, and trying to put it
25:58
Speaker 2: all together in a way that is going to be
26:00
Speaker 2: helpful to the person sitting at your table. Cards help.
26:09
Speaker 1: Definitely think so much.
26:11
Speaker 3: Cards too, It's like people can see you turning them
26:13
Speaker 3: over in real time. So it's like they know that
26:16
Speaker 3: you're not bullshitting, like you didn't like plant those cards
26:20
Speaker 3: in a way like they can see it happening, like
26:23
Speaker 3: even on zoom or something like. And so there's kind
26:26
Speaker 3: of an inarguability about that kind of live action card
26:30
Speaker 3: reading that I think helps people feel a little bit
26:33
Speaker 3: more grounded.
26:35
Speaker 2: It does. But you know, when I stopped doing in
26:37
Speaker 2: person and was doing only phone, I never showed my cards,
26:40
Speaker 2: but my clients trusted me because they had worked with
26:43
Speaker 2: me for so long. And I really loved the phone readings.
26:46
Speaker 2: And the reason why I love phone readings over zoom
26:48
Speaker 2: and over in person is I had nothing to go
26:51
Speaker 2: on and so I could just let my intuition go
26:54
Speaker 2: to work. And I found that it was number when
26:57
Speaker 2: I was less distracted by the person sitting there and
27:00
Speaker 2: I could just really really go to town. So oddly enough,
27:04
Speaker 2: I found phone readings were more preferable.
27:09
Speaker 3: I've had people ask me to do those over the years,
27:11
Speaker 3: and like, I've sometimes done it, but I'm pretty like
27:14
Speaker 3: protective of my phone numbers, so usually I would just
27:16
Speaker 3: rather not if I unless I know somebody like in reality.
27:20
Speaker 3: But it is interesting that some folks did have a
27:22
Speaker 3: preference for that, and I found it was a lot
27:24
Speaker 3: of like older folks who are maybe yes, who are
27:28
Speaker 3: used to that as like their thing from time.
27:32
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because I only the only reason why
27:35
Speaker 2: I started doing phone readings back in the day is
27:38
Speaker 2: again back of the day. It is because one of
27:40
Speaker 2: my older clients broke her hip and she goes, I
27:42
Speaker 2: can't get up those stairs. Can you do it over
27:44
Speaker 2: the phone. I'm like, I'll try. I do it with phone.
27:47
Speaker 2: It went so well. She told all of her old
27:49
Speaker 2: friends about it. I was doing all these older women
27:53
Speaker 2: and I mean they used to have to come here
27:56
Speaker 2: and instead I could be on the phone. They could
27:58
Speaker 2: be in the comfort of at home and it's a
28:00
Speaker 2: drive down here. They loved it, and that's what started
28:04
Speaker 2: the phone readings. It was all because of that lady
28:07
Speaker 2: who broke her hip.
28:09
Speaker 1: Wow, look at that. I didn't see that in the cars,
28:12
Speaker 1: did you No?
28:14
Speaker 2: I didn't see it in the cards. The fact, when
28:16
Speaker 2: she showed up her appointment, she had a walker and
28:18
Speaker 2: I had to help her get up the stairs and
28:19
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you doing. You didn't tell me
28:21
Speaker 2: you broke your hip, you know, And she's like, oh,
28:23
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah, and that's when we just were like, no,
28:26
Speaker 2: you can't do this again. This is I don't want
28:29
Speaker 2: you to follow me, you know.
28:31
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, all right, I think I'm going to start
28:34
Speaker 1: getting into like some questions kind of like, you know
28:36
Speaker 1: about the book, what made you want to write a
28:39
Speaker 1: whole book on astrological returns?
28:43
Speaker 2: I wrote it because I couldn't find the book that
28:45
Speaker 2: I needed. That's really what it comes down to. You know.
28:49
Speaker 2: There are books, Yeah, there are books on solo returns.
28:52
Speaker 2: I have some that are good. I have a really
28:53
Speaker 2: good book on lunar returns somehow in my pile of books.
28:57
Speaker 2: And at the time, and I was telling Sabrina this too.
29:01
Speaker 2: I was in the middle of my second satur return
29:04
Speaker 2: and I've written about it in one of my other books,
29:06
Speaker 2: Twister Fade, about returns and stuff, but not in depth,
29:10
Speaker 2: not all the returns, you know. I just wrote some
29:12
Speaker 2: stuff there. And I was in the second Sad return
29:15
Speaker 2: and having one hell of a bad second satur return,
29:19
Speaker 2: and so I started looking around, like, how come all
29:21
Speaker 2: the information is only about the damn first satur return?
29:25
Speaker 2: What is it now that I'm old? Nobody cares? What
29:27
Speaker 2: is this? You know, I started to feel like astrologers
29:30
Speaker 2: are ages. So I got kind of cranky about it.
29:33
Speaker 2: And then I'm looking around and then I started my
29:35
Speaker 2: Jupiter return. I'm like, okay, let me I know what
29:37
Speaker 2: the Jupiter turn is all about. I've been through a few,
29:39
Speaker 2: but you know, I wanted information, so I'm looking around.
29:42
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, there's jack about this, and the United
29:47
Speaker 2: States just went through a Pluto return, and you know
29:51
Speaker 2: there's a lot of sotrologers out there speculating on it,
29:53
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA YadA, but that's really what it was.
29:56
Speaker 2: I started getting kind of cranky because you know, I'm like, oh,
29:59
Speaker 2: I to peck here and look here and look there.
30:01
Speaker 2: I'm like, why can't there just be a book of
30:04
Speaker 2: returns that just breaks it down, covers all the basics,
30:08
Speaker 2: so that way, when you're stuck, you can just look
30:10
Speaker 2: at up and say, oh, yeah, the Kiro returney, you
30:11
Speaker 2: know what to look at, and then you're one and done.
30:15
Speaker 2: And so I said, oh, bingo, and I went to
30:16
Speaker 2: my publisher and I said, somebody needs to write a
30:18
Speaker 2: book on this, basically because I can't find the book
30:21
Speaker 2: I need. And they're like, that's a great idea. So
30:23
Speaker 2: that's why I wrote the book because I couldn't find
30:26
Speaker 2: it and it's one of these books. I also had
30:28
Speaker 2: to say on the gateway to all things here on
30:31
Speaker 2: astrology because I like to make everything super accessible. Get
30:34
Speaker 2: you in the door. Here's what you need to know.
30:36
Speaker 2: This is the basics. Now here's where you can go
30:38
Speaker 2: to go deeper. You want to get real crazy, you
30:41
Speaker 2: want to learn all the astrology on terror and complicate
30:44
Speaker 2: your life. Here's where you can go. But you really
30:45
Speaker 2: don't need all that. Here's boom, boom, boom, this is
30:48
Speaker 2: what you need. Let's get to it and there you go.
30:51
Speaker 2: Got a bing, got a boom, You got it?
30:57
Speaker 1: Uh? Was there a Was there a moment when it
31:01
Speaker 1: clicks for you that returns weren't just one famous concept
31:03
Speaker 1: like Saturn return, but in an entire framework.
31:07
Speaker 2: Well, you know, because I've done astrology for so long,
31:11
Speaker 2: when I would work with a client, sometimes we do
31:13
Speaker 2: a solar return, which is solo return is the most
31:16
Speaker 2: popular one. That's when most people are going to work
31:19
Speaker 2: with is a solar returnship birthday chart for the year.
31:22
Speaker 2: And you know I've done other return charts here and
31:24
Speaker 2: there for clients done return charts for myself, et cetera,
31:28
Speaker 2: et cetera. And one of the things is, again I
31:31
Speaker 2: love pattern recognition, and returns are really all about patterns.
31:36
Speaker 2: Astrology is all about patterns, Terroist. All this stuff is
31:39
Speaker 2: about patterns, really, And so you know, with the returns,
31:45
Speaker 2: I would notice things too like, okay, let me do
31:48
Speaker 2: my Venus return. I am spending a lot of money
31:51
Speaker 2: on this crap that I should be spending on, just
31:53
Speaker 2: like the Venus return said, maybe I could dial this
31:56
Speaker 2: back a bit. So it really sets like a tone,
31:59
Speaker 2: It shows the cycles of where action can be happening,
32:02
Speaker 2: and then again it allows you to make some really
32:04
Speaker 2: good choices. But it's really just about the patterns. It's patterns.
32:09
Speaker 2: It's nothing but patterns. And what I saw, which was
32:12
Speaker 2: interesting in my second Saturn return chart. You know, by
32:18
Speaker 2: the way, when you do return charts for every single return,
32:21
Speaker 2: whether I'm doing Saturn returns, Solar return, Jupiter return, whatnot,
32:26
Speaker 2: I actually do two charts. So the first thing I'll
32:28
Speaker 2: do is the return chart. That is the chart that
32:30
Speaker 2: is cast at the exact moment that the return happens.
32:35
Speaker 2: And so we cast that first, and that allows you
32:38
Speaker 2: to you know, read it like a birth chart for
32:43
Speaker 2: this next phase of your life. So my second sat
32:46
Speaker 2: In return, we look at that birth chart for that,
32:49
Speaker 2: and you will get more than one because Saturn sometimes
32:51
Speaker 2: passes over Saturn a few times. The one you want
32:54
Speaker 2: to look at is the last Saturn return because that
32:57
Speaker 2: is going to be the one that is setting the
32:58
Speaker 2: tone for the next twenty seven years. So the Saturn
33:02
Speaker 2: return chart is the birth of the lessons that you
33:04
Speaker 2: need to learn in this next phase. In your natal chart,
33:09
Speaker 2: wherever Saturn resides is what you are learning period. Saturn's
33:14
Speaker 2: all about lessons, but the Saturn return is going to
33:16
Speaker 2: number one amplify that lesson, but it will also show
33:19
Speaker 2: other patterns that are going to be very important going forward.
33:23
Speaker 2: So it's really super fascinating stuff. And again this is
33:26
Speaker 2: why it kind of tend to go down rabbit holes
33:29
Speaker 2: with this stuff, because suddenly it's like, oh my god,
33:32
Speaker 2: I am, you know, wearing this hat, doing this thing
33:36
Speaker 2: and that. So it's really really super fascinating. And I'm
33:39
Speaker 2: making it sound super convoluted, which I apologize for. It's
33:43
Speaker 2: actually much simpler than what I'm making it sound. So
33:46
Speaker 2: again we look at again the second satur return. I'll
33:49
Speaker 2: just tell you about my chart. So even though Saturn
33:52
Speaker 2: sits my fifth house in my natal chart, that means
33:55
Speaker 2: I have lessons about romance, creativity, parenting, you know, pleasure.
34:02
Speaker 2: Those are things that I'm going to learn lots of
34:04
Speaker 2: lessons about. And by the way, my Saturn is horribly aspected,
34:07
Speaker 2: so there's lots of lessons there. But when I look
34:10
Speaker 2: at the second Saturn return, Saturn is in my seventh house.
34:14
Speaker 2: So not only do I carry these other lessons through
34:17
Speaker 2: my entire life, but for the next twenty seven years,
34:20
Speaker 2: relationships are going to be a big theme. Now that Saturn,
34:25
Speaker 2: unlike my Saturn in my natal chart, is very well aspected.
34:29
Speaker 2: And so what that's telling me is that, Okay, I'm
34:32
Speaker 2: learning things about relationships and discernment and who belongs in
34:36
Speaker 2: my life and who is going to be helpful and
34:38
Speaker 2: who is going to be harmful. So there's a really
34:41
Speaker 2: beautiful energy here that shows I'm learning a lot from
34:47
Speaker 2: this lifetime and taking forward. I'm taking what I've learned
34:51
Speaker 2: and hopefully developing much healthier relationships, which is something I've
34:55
Speaker 2: actually been working on with the second satur In return.
34:58
Speaker 2: So when I did the chart, I'm like, that makes sense.
35:01
Speaker 2: I am doing a lot of work on certain relationships,
35:05
Speaker 2: and this looks like that's going to be the theme
35:07
Speaker 2: for the next thirty years of my life. Relationships are
35:11
Speaker 2: going to be everything.
35:15
Speaker 1: I do have a question from the chat. Does Teresa
35:18
Speaker 1: think the Virgo and Revelation twelve are connected you? September
35:22
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Virgo and Jupiter a sign. Oh. Also the
35:26
Speaker 1: star Regulus has moved into Virgo twenty twelve, so supposed
35:30
Speaker 1: to signal queenship from matriarchy.
35:34
Speaker 2: First of all, Revelation twelve, is that a biblical thing?
35:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I was wondering. Maybe I don't know.
35:39
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not religious at all. I stated that beginning.
35:43
Speaker 2: I'm very, very non religious. If you quote Bible let me,
35:46
Speaker 2: I'm going to think you're, you know, speaking some other language.
35:50
Speaker 2: I won't be able to refer to that at all.
35:52
Speaker 2: And no offense. And I'm not saying this is an
35:54
Speaker 2: offensive thing. I have no interest in learning about it. Remember,
35:57
Speaker 2: I'm obsessedive. When i'm into something, I'm into something, and
36:00
Speaker 2: if i'm not not and I've never been into any
36:03
Speaker 2: of that, you know, I tried to bring the Bible
36:05
Speaker 2: this isn't my type of thing. Let me read flowers
36:07
Speaker 2: in the attic instead. That was more by Annlie when
36:11
Speaker 2: I was young. So, you know, so if there's a
36:14
Speaker 2: biblical thing and there's a question about that, I'm not
36:16
Speaker 2: the person to answer that. And also when it comes
36:19
Speaker 2: to fixed stars, I don't work with the fixed stars either.
36:22
Speaker 2: There are astrologers who work with the fixed stars and
36:24
Speaker 2: orderly would be able to answer that question. And a
36:27
Speaker 2: lot of people are talking about the matriarchy. Is it possible? Yeah,
36:31
Speaker 2: well a lot of things are possible. You know, it's
36:33
Speaker 2: going to depend on where you live, if that's going
36:35
Speaker 2: to take root or not. You can't just say it
36:37
Speaker 2: as a whole because in some places in the world maybe,
36:41
Speaker 2: other places probably not. So I would say I'll keep
36:45
Speaker 2: it up in mind on it, but I can't keep
36:46
Speaker 2: your real firm yes or no on that. Astrology and
36:51
Speaker 2: I've said this all the time. Astrology's theory. We get
36:55
Speaker 2: an idea of where things are going, and later on
36:56
Speaker 2: we could look back and say, oh, that's what that meant.
36:59
Speaker 2: You know. So a lot of people are talking matriarchy
37:01
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, it could happen. I'm going to
37:04
Speaker 2: wait and I'm not going to make a hard and
37:05
Speaker 2: firm because I'm not feeling it.
37:09
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just wanted to ask for the person. Sobrini,
37:14
Speaker 1: do you have any questions before I keep going?
37:17
Speaker 3: Now, go for it?
37:18
Speaker 1: Okay. When a return hits, is it usually more external
37:21
Speaker 1: events in their transformation or the relationship between the two.
37:25
Speaker 1: Where do you think it's other? More?
37:28
Speaker 2: It's a whole lot of things. I mean, it really
37:30
Speaker 2: feels like the planets are getting plugged in. They're energized.
37:34
Speaker 2: At the exact moment of that return, they're energized. And
37:37
Speaker 2: let me talk about this. I'll talk about my second
37:38
Speaker 2: Saturn return. So, first of all, when I'm at seventeen
37:44
Speaker 2: degrees Pisces Saturn, So when Saturn first went into Pisces,
37:49
Speaker 2: that means the return officially began, even though it's not exact.
37:54
Speaker 2: When it's exact, that's your Saturn return, but it officially begins.
37:57
Speaker 2: And so there was a about a year and a
38:00
Speaker 2: half before it hit hard. However, I had other stuff
38:04
Speaker 2: happening astrologically, and so my Saturn return came in like
38:07
Speaker 2: a battering ram. It was awful, and I heard the
38:12
Speaker 2: second sand return wasn't going to be that bad, and
38:15
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, somebody forgot to look at my messy
38:17
Speaker 2: chart for one thing, and they forgot to check what
38:19
Speaker 2: Pluto was doing. So I ended up right from the jump.
38:23
Speaker 2: Lessons were coming in left and right, and so I
38:27
Speaker 2: was feeling it immediately, and that meant it was go time.
38:31
Speaker 2: There was noffing around. I had to be on my
38:34
Speaker 2: game and dealing with really super super heavy, heavy stuff
38:38
Speaker 2: that I never thought a million years i'd be dealing with.
38:40
Speaker 2: And without going into the details, the one thing is
38:46
Speaker 2: when I go into that mode, I'm not fun to
38:50
Speaker 2: be around. And so it was a very very intense
38:54
Speaker 2: time of my life. Once the Jupiter return kicked in
38:57
Speaker 2: about a year later, it started getting a little better.
39:00
Speaker 2: But by then the Saturn return was really activated because
39:04
Speaker 2: now it was exact, and so when that Santa return
39:07
Speaker 2: was exact, there were some other issues that were coming
39:09
Speaker 2: into the picture that needed to be dealt with that
39:12
Speaker 2: were also really intense, really super heavy, and it felt
39:17
Speaker 2: like I had no choice. I'd better go in and
39:19
Speaker 2: deal with it. So again it's like it's getting plugged in,
39:22
Speaker 2: the universe is getting your attention. It got my attention
39:25
Speaker 2: immediately when sadder went into Pisces. But once it was
39:29
Speaker 2: then exact, it felt like everything came to a head.
39:32
Speaker 2: Something's happened and they got dealt with. And after the
39:36
Speaker 2: Satura return was done, I realized I had more discernment,
39:42
Speaker 2: a much smaller circle. There were a lot of things
39:45
Speaker 2: I had to leave behind, and I felt a lot
39:49
Speaker 2: more free. As weird as that sounds, but it was
39:52
Speaker 2: really intense. And again I want to go into all
39:54
Speaker 2: the dirty details because nobody wants to hear about my
39:56
Speaker 2: stupid life. But I will tell you from the experience.
40:00
Speaker 2: It's like, again, I got plugged in, but I got
40:04
Speaker 2: plugged in from the beginning because I got screwed with
40:06
Speaker 2: that Pluto stuff. So what happens again in any return?
40:11
Speaker 2: Let's use a venus return as an example. So when
40:13
Speaker 2: your venus return happens, and that again is exact, you
40:19
Speaker 2: might feel an issue around your love life comes to
40:22
Speaker 2: a head, or in my case, it's all as usually
40:25
Speaker 2: a spending issue. I never worry about my love life.
40:28
Speaker 2: It's always like something was spending, Like God, damn, why
40:30
Speaker 2: is it every time there's a venus return, I end
40:33
Speaker 2: up having all these expenses? Oh yeah, because it rules
40:36
Speaker 2: money and spending. Duh. So I've learned that any time
40:39
Speaker 2: my venus return is coming, I put my wallet away
40:42
Speaker 2: because I know I'm going to be plugged in and
40:44
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to spend on something. So you know,
40:47
Speaker 2: when you see these patterns that think can be happening,
40:49
Speaker 2: you can also be foreworn and forearmed. I just didn't
40:52
Speaker 2: expect my son in return to go that way again.
40:54
Speaker 2: Astrology's theory. If I would look back now and look
40:58
Speaker 2: at everything that went down in that period, because MI
41:01
Speaker 2: just ended, I can see, oh, sorry, I got that map.
41:08
Speaker 2: Things didn't explode right there. Sorry about that. I can
41:12
Speaker 2: see now. I can look back at the astrology, and
41:14
Speaker 2: I can be like a son of a gun. Now
41:17
Speaker 2: I can see it. But you still don't anticipate that
41:20
Speaker 2: it was going to I didn't anticipate it was going
41:21
Speaker 2: to be like that. What did it suck? And by
41:25
Speaker 2: the way, people don't be afraid of sand in return?
41:28
Speaker 2: Please don't stand. In return is time of learning and growth.
41:30
Speaker 2: I just happened to have a very messy astrology chart,
41:33
Speaker 2: and Saturn activated a whole bunch of horrible things, and
41:36
Speaker 2: then Pluto came along and made sure I got good
41:38
Speaker 2: and screwed, so it was in tense. The good thing
41:42
Speaker 2: is that when you know this stuff is happening, and
41:44
Speaker 2: this is why I love tar on astrology, you're aware,
41:47
Speaker 2: You're awake at the wheel. So at least I was
41:49
Speaker 2: like you going through the sand in return and this
41:52
Speaker 2: really sucks, and you feel like you're driving through the
41:55
Speaker 2: world's worst neighborhood and everything's getting firebomb awesome, keep going on,
42:00
Speaker 2: And that's what it felt like. At least I knew.
42:04
Speaker 3: I've got to question, So, how would you recommend that
42:06
Speaker 3: people prepare for their second satur return to get the
42:10
Speaker 3: most out of it and emerge alive.
42:14
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the first sand return is generally
42:16
Speaker 2: considered the hardest because each sand in return is like
42:20
Speaker 2: a rite of passage. It's a level to a new maturity,
42:23
Speaker 2: and the first one is like, Okay, there's time to
42:26
Speaker 2: be an adult. Stop laying on your mother's couch, get
42:29
Speaker 2: a job, pay your bills, you know. And a lot
42:33
Speaker 2: of people in their first hand return, they complete college,
42:36
Speaker 2: they start their real career, they get married, they have babies,
42:39
Speaker 2: they break up, they get a divorce, you know, they
42:41
Speaker 2: move across country. So it tends to be a time
42:43
Speaker 2: where they really you have to kind of like grow
42:45
Speaker 2: up and get it together. If you don't grow up
42:47
Speaker 2: and get it together, we all know people like that
42:50
Speaker 2: who just refuse to adult, and then they are in
42:53
Speaker 2: their thirties and forties and they are doing the stupidest things.
42:57
Speaker 2: Thank God for those people, because they give us a
42:59
Speaker 2: lot of business. Let's just put it that way. So
43:02
Speaker 2: you get to you get to your second sat of return,
43:06
Speaker 2: and the second sat of return, now you're going into
43:08
Speaker 2: the role de wise elder. This is a time where
43:11
Speaker 2: you're preparing for your golden years, your retirement. You're you know,
43:18
Speaker 2: maybe becoming a grandparent, which I did become a grandparent,
43:22
Speaker 2: you know, So it could be that you're you're planning
43:25
Speaker 2: all these things, but you're supposed to be taking your
43:27
Speaker 2: experience and your knowledge and helping others. So I did
43:31
Speaker 2: that because I wrote a slut of books. I in fact,
43:34
Speaker 2: I just turned in another manuscript because I'm insane and
43:37
Speaker 2: I keep writing books. So it's the times your knowledge,
43:41
Speaker 2: and I am preparing for my retirement, which is only
43:43
Speaker 2: four years await, And I'm telling everyone if you want
43:46
Speaker 2: to take a class with me. Now I'm not playing
43:47
Speaker 2: scarcity marketer. I'm telling you I'm retiring. I'm old. Get
43:51
Speaker 2: on it, you know. So I mean I'm sharing my knowledge.
43:55
Speaker 2: I'm preparing for retirement. My house is paid off, I'm
43:59
Speaker 2: finishing renovation here. I'm doing all the things that you
44:02
Speaker 2: should be doing in your second stander return and second
44:06
Speaker 2: sand return. Oftentimes you're at the top of your career.
44:08
Speaker 2: You know your shit, you can speak with expertise. Sometimes
44:13
Speaker 2: you get awards. I got awards from my last book
44:16
Speaker 2: that I wrote. So a lot of things can happen
44:18
Speaker 2: that are great for your career. Also, your health gets
44:21
Speaker 2: your attention if you have not been taking care of
44:23
Speaker 2: your health. A lot of times, your second sand return
44:26
Speaker 2: comes along and says woman, I thought I had a
44:28
Speaker 2: high cholesterol. Did I change my diet? And not really,
44:32
Speaker 2: because I like to live dangerously. I've tried to walk more.
44:35
Speaker 2: Walking is one of my therapies, you know, and taking
44:40
Speaker 2: more like I'm taking these little things that are supposed
44:43
Speaker 2: to help it. But you know, your health gets your attention.
44:46
Speaker 2: You realize you're not a spring chicken. So I would
44:49
Speaker 2: say the second stand return, take care of your health,
44:52
Speaker 2: plan for your retirement. If you don't want to retire
44:54
Speaker 2: plan for that too. A lot of people in your
44:57
Speaker 2: second Sander return, they're also taking care of their parents
44:59
Speaker 2: and grandchildren, so there's a lot that can go on.
45:02
Speaker 2: So you really want to make sure that you're taking
45:04
Speaker 2: good care of yourself so you can take care of
45:06
Speaker 2: all the people now that are looking to you for
45:08
Speaker 2: your wisdom and guidance. Then you also have the possibility
45:12
Speaker 2: of going to a third satur return, which my aunt
45:15
Speaker 2: and you went through when you hit about ninety, and
45:18
Speaker 2: that is where you prepare for the next level, which
45:20
Speaker 2: is death. And by the way, she's still alive. She's
45:23
Speaker 2: one hundred and three and she's still going strong and
45:25
Speaker 2: sharp as attack. And I looked just like her, so
45:28
Speaker 2: we're a lot alike. She's very stubborn like I am.
45:31
Speaker 2: So that's when you really start thinking more about that.
45:34
Speaker 2: And you can make amends now, you can, you know,
45:37
Speaker 2: you could say, hey, I'm sorry for what I did.
45:39
Speaker 2: You can write down your stories and create your legacy.
45:42
Speaker 2: It can be a meaningful time. And I had a
45:45
Speaker 2: really great question that actually my daughter asked me. She goes,
45:48
Speaker 2: can you fail your second or third sat In return?
45:51
Speaker 2: I said, that's a damn good question. Yes, in your
45:55
Speaker 2: second satur return if you're still fighting the growing up
45:58
Speaker 2: thing and not really acting an elder and sharing your
46:01
Speaker 2: wisdom and knowledge and being a schmuck. Yes, I've seen
46:05
Speaker 2: people in their sixties and seventies that are doing things
46:08
Speaker 2: that are so bananas. I'm like, you should resolve that
46:11
Speaker 2: when you were like twenty, What is wrong with you
46:14
Speaker 2: and how you can fail your third stand in return
46:17
Speaker 2: If you go to the grave bitter and nasty and
46:23
Speaker 2: never making amends for the things you've done in the world,
46:26
Speaker 2: Absolutely you can fail that. You can fail that third
46:29
Speaker 2: Saturn return. The whole goal with these returns, with the
46:32
Speaker 2: Saturn return, since we'reond that the first is let me
46:36
Speaker 2: grow up and start taking care of you know, being
46:40
Speaker 2: adult things. The second sat in return, let me create
46:43
Speaker 2: my legacy and make sure that I'm using my wisdom
46:47
Speaker 2: for good. And then the third, let me make sure
46:49
Speaker 2: I make peace so I don't leave loose ends untied
46:53
Speaker 2: and leave my family with a lot of dysfunctional crack
46:56
Speaker 2: that I caused before I hit the other side. What
47:00
Speaker 2: this fo That's the best way to do it, And
47:03
Speaker 2: that's a pretty blunt way of saying it, but basically,
47:06
Speaker 2: every satur return gives you the opportunity to get your
47:08
Speaker 2: act together, whether it means becoming an adult, a wise elder,
47:12
Speaker 2: or preparing for that final passage.
47:16
Speaker 3: What's your thought on nodal returns. I'm seeing more people
47:19
Speaker 3: talking about.
47:19
Speaker 2: That notre returns, sat returns and notre returns and chiron returns.
47:26
Speaker 2: All three will kick your ass. Know that. And here's why.
47:30
Speaker 2: Saturn is your big lessons, that's your heavy stuff, that's
47:35
Speaker 2: the task master. Chiron are those old wounds, those old wounds,
47:40
Speaker 2: and the kyro return comes around when you're fifty, and
47:43
Speaker 2: so when you're fifty, it's kind of like the real
47:44
Speaker 2: midlife crisis. Someway, we're going to address those old wounds.
47:49
Speaker 2: And I certainly had some stuff during in mind that
47:51
Speaker 2: I had to deal with. And the notre return, you
47:53
Speaker 2: will have both notre return and a reverse notle return,
47:56
Speaker 2: and they come up. I think the not of return
47:59
Speaker 2: is every eighteen years and the reverse nodal return is
48:06
Speaker 2: like every twenty seventy something like that. Off the top
48:08
Speaker 2: of my head, I always forget. So you get a
48:10
Speaker 2: bunch of them. So the nodes that are called the
48:14
Speaker 2: nodes of fate have a lot to do with your karma. Now,
48:17
Speaker 2: some people don't believe in karma.
48:19
Speaker 1: I do.
48:20
Speaker 2: I believe karma. Some of us have an instant karma
48:23
Speaker 2: where you do something and you get your results right
48:25
Speaker 2: here now. But sometimes you can't really explain that, and
48:29
Speaker 2: there can be family patterns and other things that we're
48:31
Speaker 2: carrying forward. So what the notal return does is it
48:36
Speaker 2: gives you an opportunity to really explore That's not the
48:42
Speaker 2: best way to say it. It's kind of like you
48:45
Speaker 2: have an opportunity with a notle return to really explore
48:50
Speaker 2: your karma and your mission and the work that you're
48:53
Speaker 2: really here to do. You want to think of it
48:55
Speaker 2: as a time to align with your mission and to
48:57
Speaker 2: move towards the difficult things, because that's where the magic is.
49:00
Speaker 2: The reverse noble return is it time to revisit the
49:03
Speaker 2: past and really release these old patterns. So both returns
49:07
Speaker 2: are important. And I will say this, my notle returns
49:10
Speaker 2: challenging the reverse noal returns always kicked my ass worse.
49:13
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's something it's supposed to be. Why am
49:15
Speaker 2: I getting burned? But I'm supposed to be having this
49:18
Speaker 2: great second sect of return and this reverse noal return,
49:20
Speaker 2: but the reverse noal returns for me, there were some
49:24
Speaker 2: good things that happened and there were some hard things.
49:27
Speaker 2: When my first reverse Noble return actually happened around age nine,
49:31
Speaker 2: that's when my grandmother died, and it was very very
49:34
Speaker 2: impactful because she lived with us. And then I had
49:38
Speaker 2: a reverse nole return when I was about forty five,
49:41
Speaker 2: and that's when my dad died. So I had like
49:44
Speaker 2: major deaths happening in two of the reverse nodal returns,
49:48
Speaker 2: and both of them had a very big impact in
49:50
Speaker 2: different ways. For losing my grandmother really felt pretty traumatic
49:54
Speaker 2: in many ways because we were really close. And when
49:57
Speaker 2: I lost my father, it meant I no longer had
50:01
Speaker 2: to deal with my siblings and no offense. I could
50:04
Speaker 2: finally say, I'm done with this dysfunctional family, and now
50:06
Speaker 2: you guys are going to honor my boundaries because now
50:08
Speaker 2: we don't have to hang out together anymore. Fine.
50:12
Speaker 3: So interesting, So yeah, that's so interesting. I think I'm
50:16
Speaker 3: going through my nodle return this year. So I'm thirty six,
50:20
Speaker 3: you're thirty six. Yeah, So I think it's it's on
50:23
Speaker 3: their heart.
50:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's your where's your nodal return? So it's obviously, Yeah,
50:30
Speaker 2: find out we need to know this now.
50:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's so important. Home on my app
50:34
Speaker 3: is taking so fucking long.
50:37
Speaker 2: And the other thing to think about the notes again,
50:39
Speaker 2: the nodes of fate. The south note has it talks
50:43
Speaker 2: a lot about the gifts you bring in from past lives,
50:46
Speaker 2: previous incarnations, but the north note is the important one.
50:49
Speaker 2: The North note is like, here's where you're going to
50:51
Speaker 2: have some stuff to work on, just like damn Saturn.
50:55
Speaker 3: Okay, and I found it. So six house north node
51:01
Speaker 3: Aquarius seventeen degrees Oh okay.
51:05
Speaker 2: So there's a lot about service serving people. I mean
51:08
Speaker 2: the north node in the six house first of all,
51:11
Speaker 2: could be your health. There could be things about your health.
51:14
Speaker 2: It could be things about your work. But if it's
51:16
Speaker 2: in Aquarius the six house, also that's a lot to
51:18
Speaker 2: do about service. How are you serving the public? How
51:22
Speaker 2: are you serving in your work? How is your work
51:24
Speaker 2: serving you? There may be issues around service, issues around
51:27
Speaker 2: your work, issues about community, because Aquarius has a lot
51:30
Speaker 2: to do about community, the collective. How's your work impacting it?
51:34
Speaker 2: Are you not impacting? Are you hiding away or are
51:37
Speaker 2: you out there making an impact? What kind of impact
51:40
Speaker 2: do you want to make Those are all things to
51:42
Speaker 2: be thinking about with that North Noble return in the
51:45
Speaker 2: six House, and your health. You're health needs to be
51:48
Speaker 2: a priority. Now your self care. You've got to make
51:50
Speaker 2: sure that you're not becoming depleted by doing many things
51:53
Speaker 2: or being everything for every people. So that can be
51:57
Speaker 2: a theme. Also, Quarius has a lot to do with
51:59
Speaker 2: friends and because a six house for peers, which peers
52:02
Speaker 2: get access, which peers have proven to be destructive, who
52:07
Speaker 2: needs to go? Who's serving you, who's zooming you? So
52:10
Speaker 2: those would be all things to work on.
52:12
Speaker 3: That's super interesting. And then I guess South noticed Leo
52:15
Speaker 3: in twelve seventeen degrees as well.
52:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the twelve Houses. First of all, the twelve
52:21
Speaker 2: House gets a bad rap. Everyone hates the twelve Houses.
52:23
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, the twelve Holes is a house
52:28
Speaker 2: of introspection. It is a house of hospitals, charities, prisons.
52:36
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much of falls under the twelve House,
52:38
Speaker 2: secret enemies. And with it being in Leo, I mean,
52:42
Speaker 2: what a great time to be doing introspective heart centered work,
52:48
Speaker 2: looking into your heart. Also creativity, Leo's creativity really pulling
52:52
Speaker 2: creativity out from those places that are really hidden that
52:56
Speaker 2: no one gets to see. You can get super creative,
52:59
Speaker 2: you can get super therapeutic. Now it's a time again
53:03
Speaker 2: to really work on your heart. What's in your heart.
53:06
Speaker 3: It's interesting like if someone is thinking about their noble return,
53:10
Speaker 3: like let's say, however, listen to this is also thirty
53:12
Speaker 3: six like me, and is like going through this right now,
53:15
Speaker 3: Like what would be the balance that you would recommend
53:17
Speaker 3: in terms of focusing on the north node versus the
53:20
Speaker 3: south node.
53:21
Speaker 2: I always go to the north node always. That's me though.
53:25
Speaker 2: One of the things that I think in a chart,
53:27
Speaker 2: if I'm analyzing so much chart, I don't care about
53:29
Speaker 2: the good stuff in your chart. I really don't. Oh yea,
53:32
Speaker 2: look you got all this good stuff. Really we go
53:35
Speaker 2: and look at the crappy stuff and fix that. You
53:38
Speaker 2: want to fix that because, for example, my house was
53:42
Speaker 2: made in the nineteen twenties. It's got really good bones,
53:45
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of things that need to be
53:46
Speaker 2: strengthened and fixed because it's an old house. You can't
53:50
Speaker 2: be putting out a coat of paint if you've got
53:52
Speaker 2: all these other problems underneath that. It's the same with astrology.
53:55
Speaker 2: Look at your saturn, Look at your chiron, look at
53:58
Speaker 2: your north node south No. Oh yeah, that's great something
54:01
Speaker 2: that is where we want to go because it's comfortable.
54:04
Speaker 2: It's said place in our chart where I've been here
54:06
Speaker 2: before and I have gifts from this past lifetime. Who cares?
54:10
Speaker 2: Go to that north note. That's your sore spot. That
54:12
Speaker 2: is where you have an issue that you need to face,
54:16
Speaker 2: and so I don't care if you're in your reverse
54:18
Speaker 2: node your note to return, go to the north node.
54:22
Speaker 2: Go to the north note. That's where the magic happens.
54:25
Speaker 2: When you deal with the things that need to heal,
54:29
Speaker 2: your life becomes magical. If you're only going with your
54:32
Speaker 2: gifts and blessings, Who cares? The people with the charts
54:36
Speaker 2: that are really EASi are the most boring people I've
54:38
Speaker 2: ever met. If someone's got a messy chart, I'm like, Oh,
54:41
Speaker 2: you're going to be fascinating. I'm going to find out
54:44
Speaker 2: about you. What happened to you when you were twenty?
54:46
Speaker 2: You know, I want to know whereas somebody who's had
54:49
Speaker 2: it all easy, you know, whatever, go where the north
54:54
Speaker 2: note is.
54:55
Speaker 3: So.
54:55
Speaker 2: By the way, James Spiller wrote an amazing book Astrology
54:59
Speaker 2: for the Soul that goes deep into the nodes.
55:03
Speaker 3: I recommend that book Astrology for this song. It's interesting
55:08
Speaker 3: that you say all that, like I've this year, I've
55:10
Speaker 3: been really into doing like markets, and I haven't done
55:14
Speaker 3: markets and like like since before COVID, like farmers' markets,
55:20
Speaker 3: like little community events and like reading Tarot like out
55:23
Speaker 3: in the world, whereas I would say, like the last
55:25
Speaker 3: five to six years, my business has been pretty much
55:27
Speaker 3: exclusively online, and it's it's been awesome to kind of
55:31
Speaker 3: go out into like people's homes and do house parties
55:34
Speaker 3: and things like that, which I haven't done in forever.
55:37
Speaker 3: So what you're saying sounds like super aligned with kind
55:40
Speaker 3: of like where I've been at weirdly, but also like,
55:42
Speaker 3: of course it actually.
55:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it actually makes sense because of course,
55:46
Speaker 2: is the community serve How are you serving your community?
55:50
Speaker 2: Who is your community? How who's your friends? Who's your
55:53
Speaker 2: peer community? Do they belong? I mean, are you peers
55:56
Speaker 2: with people because they're oh we're in the same industry,
55:58
Speaker 2: or are you really aligned or not? You know, all
56:00
Speaker 2: these things are things that you get to explore, and
56:03
Speaker 2: so it's pretty pretty nifty and neat, and so my
56:07
Speaker 2: north No by the way, how was yours? It's in
56:12
Speaker 2: my eighth house, and the eighth House has a lot
56:15
Speaker 2: to say about intimacy, which isn't a problem, but also
56:19
Speaker 2: about other people's money, other people's money, and it's fascinating
56:26
Speaker 2: because I always have had to handle other people's money
56:29
Speaker 2: since I've been a little girl. I've been forced to
56:32
Speaker 2: do it, and I'm actually really good at it. I
56:34
Speaker 2: think in a past life maybe I was some kind
56:37
Speaker 2: of a money manager, or maybe that's what I should
56:38
Speaker 2: be doing with this life. I'm actually incredibly good at
56:41
Speaker 2: it because I've been forced to do it. Do I
56:43
Speaker 2: want to do it? No? I don't want to do it.
56:46
Speaker 2: I'm want to handle your budget. Why do I have
56:48
Speaker 2: to do your dirty work. I've had to bail my
56:50
Speaker 2: parents out over the years, again and again and fix
56:53
Speaker 2: their finances because they were we were poor. But also
56:56
Speaker 2: one of the reasons we were poor is they were
56:58
Speaker 2: fiscally irresponsible, and so they would. We grew up with
57:02
Speaker 2: a lot of money and security, and I was, at
57:05
Speaker 2: a very young age, nine years old, having to tell
57:08
Speaker 2: them what to do with money. I mean, what, that
57:10
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, but nine years old, that's the reverse
57:13
Speaker 2: noble return and so I had to start really doing
57:17
Speaker 2: some responsibility with money things. And when my mother died,
57:22
Speaker 2: she let my father deep in debt again and he
57:25
Speaker 2: was ninety years old. He's like, what do I do?
57:27
Speaker 2: And you're the only one I can trust. I'm like, huh,
57:28
Speaker 2: let me fix this again. It was horrible. But a
57:34
Speaker 2: month before he died, I got him out of debt
57:36
Speaker 2: and I said, you're out of debt. Now he goes,
57:38
Speaker 2: thank god. And then he died, you know, so he
57:41
Speaker 2: could go to he could at least need to plant
57:44
Speaker 2: without debt. And so it was a really weird journey.
57:47
Speaker 2: But that's a journey that my north note is like,
57:51
Speaker 2: I'm always having to deal with other people's money issues.
57:54
Speaker 3: That's so interesting.
57:55
Speaker 2: It's a star.
57:56
Speaker 3: If he was like in his nineties, does that mean
57:59
Speaker 3: that he hit third Saturn?
58:03
Speaker 1: And law?
58:04
Speaker 2: Wow, he did and he was able to go in peace.
58:07
Speaker 2: That's because I mean there was The one thing is
58:11
Speaker 2: my parents had a lot of secrets that didn't tell,
58:13
Speaker 2: which really kind of makes me mad. But I respect
58:15
Speaker 2: that too. I've got secrets, and you know, I know
58:18
Speaker 2: he's got a couple. He had a couple of him
58:20
Speaker 2: a mom with some good juicy ones. They didn't tell us,
58:23
Speaker 2: so they were sneaky as hell. I wish they would have.
58:26
Speaker 2: That's a very eighth house thing. As an eighth house person,
58:29
Speaker 2: I love knowing secrets. But there's a couple they did.
58:32
Speaker 2: They left us hanging on. But he was able to
58:35
Speaker 2: go in piece. He was so relaxed because I got
58:38
Speaker 2: all his bills paid off. And it what a great
58:41
Speaker 2: mission for me to allow this old man to leave
58:45
Speaker 2: the planet free, debt free.
58:49
Speaker 3: That's so interesting.
58:50
Speaker 2: He it was. It was very interesting, and I'm very
58:54
Speaker 2: proud of that. It wasn't easy because my three vulture
58:57
Speaker 2: siblings were right there trying to like what little this
59:00
Speaker 2: man had on top of him being a debt which
59:03
Speaker 2: my mother caused. So I not only had to get
59:06
Speaker 2: him out of debt, I had to fight these vultures
59:08
Speaker 2: off left and right. And that's why I get it
59:10
Speaker 2: forty five when he died. Then my father, by the way,
59:13
Speaker 2: was fifty when I was born years old, so when
59:15
Speaker 2: he died, I normally got him free. But then I
59:19
Speaker 2: was free from them. I'm like, fine, you guys, go
59:21
Speaker 2: now and do your irresponsible things and be terrible. I
59:25
Speaker 2: don't have to deal with you anymore done, Dad and
59:28
Speaker 2: I are done.
59:29
Speaker 3: So what happened when you were thirty six? At the first,
59:33
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the first, but that no,
59:35
Speaker 3: it'll return the first.
59:37
Speaker 2: What happens at eighteen? The first is when you're eighteen,
59:41
Speaker 2: and most of us that's really happy for most of us.
59:44
Speaker 2: I mean we finished high school in YadA, YadA, YadA.
59:47
Speaker 2: Thirty six actually wasn't a bad time for me. I mean,
59:50
Speaker 2: I was deep in my business. I was running two businesses.
59:53
Speaker 2: I was actually I had nothing to report about it.
59:56
Speaker 2: I really have nothing to report. My reverse returns were
1:00:00
Speaker 2: way more impactful. My first one again Grandma died. Second
1:00:04
Speaker 2: one in age like twenty seven, started my business. Third
1:00:08
Speaker 2: one age forty five, Dad died. I could boom boom boom,
1:00:13
Speaker 2: Which as with my nodle return, you know, it's like
1:00:18
Speaker 2: at fifty four, I'm trying to think at thirty six
1:00:21
Speaker 2: fifty four, they weren't as consequential in my from my experience.
1:00:27
Speaker 3: It's so interesting to like look back and be like okay,
1:00:31
Speaker 3: hold on, like even like looking back at my own
1:00:34
Speaker 3: chart and what happened when is like always such a
1:00:37
Speaker 3: fascinating exercise. Like I love hearing about how that played
1:00:40
Speaker 3: out for other people too.
1:00:42
Speaker 2: That's the best part of it. You know, oftentimes we
1:00:45
Speaker 2: can predict and we can again astrology's theory. You can think, oh,
1:00:49
Speaker 2: this is what that card means, this is what the
1:00:51
Speaker 2: chart means. But then when you look back, it's like, oh, yeah,
1:00:57
Speaker 2: got it. Yeah, God, because you can't see everything, and
1:01:02
Speaker 2: nobody can see things with perfect laser vision except that
1:01:04
Speaker 2: triple scorpio I told you about. Nobody can see everything
1:01:07
Speaker 2: with scorpios. With triple laser vision. We can't. Because we
1:01:14
Speaker 2: can make different choices. Humans are humans. The universe can
1:01:17
Speaker 2: be unpredictable and random. We can get an idea, we
1:01:22
Speaker 2: can get an idea of where the traffic is going
1:01:24
Speaker 2: and how to drive.
1:01:27
Speaker 1: I was looking at mine because somebody had asked in
1:01:29
Speaker 1: the chat. Who were they asking which note? I had? Oh,
1:01:32
Speaker 1: we just little sabrinas'll come back. No, they're asking where
1:01:38
Speaker 1: was it. I'll just tell you where my where my
1:01:40
Speaker 1: notes are. If you don't mind, maybe you can tell
1:01:42
Speaker 1: me a little bit about Uh all right, so my
1:01:46
Speaker 1: south note. I think my south note is in the
1:01:48
Speaker 1: eighth house. Let mean, look, I'm trying to look here. Yes,
1:01:51
Speaker 1: my south one is in the eighth house, and my
1:01:53
Speaker 1: north one is in the second.
1:01:56
Speaker 2: And what's your north note? What sign?
1:02:01
Speaker 1: I probably should have just shared this thing with you.
1:02:04
Speaker 2: Well, why don't you just send the image to me
1:02:06
Speaker 2: by email and I'll quickly look at it. Yes, but
1:02:09
Speaker 2: while you're doing that, let me just tell you about
1:02:11
Speaker 2: the second and eighth house. Those are the money houses.
1:02:14
Speaker 2: And so I have my north node in the eighth house,
1:02:17
Speaker 2: which is other people's money is my karma. In the
1:02:20
Speaker 2: second house, you know, I have my self node, and
1:02:24
Speaker 2: that means that it's easy for me to go and
1:02:26
Speaker 2: make money. And that's very true. I'm very good at
1:02:29
Speaker 2: making money. I love to work hard. I've got no
1:02:31
Speaker 2: problem making it. I manage it well except when venus
1:02:34
Speaker 2: returns come along and then I spend like a moron.
1:02:37
Speaker 2: But you know, so it's very easy for me to
1:02:40
Speaker 2: just focus on business and making money, but I get
1:02:43
Speaker 2: dragged into these things where I have to solve other
1:02:44
Speaker 2: people's money crises. So your situation with the north node
1:02:49
Speaker 2: in the second house, there are going to be issues
1:02:52
Speaker 2: around making money, building security, self worth, self worth through
1:02:59
Speaker 2: your work, finding work that really feels like it is
1:03:03
Speaker 2: aligned with who you want to be in the world.
1:03:06
Speaker 2: There's going to be issues around your values. Your values
1:03:09
Speaker 2: may change over time. So without knowing what sinus. In
1:03:13
Speaker 2: second house north node, you're here to learn about making money,
1:03:19
Speaker 2: handling your finance as well, making good decisions about it self,
1:03:23
Speaker 2: worth values, all of that. And in the eighth house
1:03:27
Speaker 2: with it there, I mean eighth south Old. In the
1:03:31
Speaker 2: eighth house, it could be a very indulgent house. I mean,
1:03:34
Speaker 2: it could be good for getting laid a lot.
1:03:36
Speaker 3: You know, like.
1:03:38
Speaker 2: Well, it could be like it could be like, you know,
1:03:45
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go get laid forget it. But I
1:03:48
Speaker 2: mean when a lot of people when they're younger with
1:03:50
Speaker 2: a south note eighth house, they could be very indulgent.
1:03:52
Speaker 2: They get into taboo things, They enjoy a little bit
1:03:55
Speaker 2: of the wildlife. They you know, maybe have a very
1:03:58
Speaker 2: colorful sex life. Okay, comes Sabrin, that's just back, all right,
1:04:06
Speaker 2: let me go grab it. But the eighth house admitted income. Yeah,
1:04:13
Speaker 2: but the eighth house with the south note there, you know,
1:04:17
Speaker 2: you could have spent a past life being a hedonist.
1:04:20
Speaker 2: You should have spent a path life dealing with the
1:04:22
Speaker 2: goods of the dead, and you know, so maybe for
1:04:27
Speaker 2: you dealing with things like other people's resources, the goods
1:04:32
Speaker 2: of the dead, inheritances, taxes, or intimacy.
1:04:36
Speaker 1: Uh.
1:04:36
Speaker 2: Those are places that you can go that it's comfortable
1:04:39
Speaker 2: for you to deal with. Whereas in that second house
1:04:43
Speaker 2: money self worth, that's going to be a big thing.
1:04:46
Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for the chart to come. It hasn't
1:04:48
Speaker 2: come through yet, so bear.
1:04:50
Speaker 1: With sorry about that.
1:04:55
Speaker 2: That's okay. Sometimes things are sluggish. I mean, it's it's
1:05:01
Speaker 2: all such fascinating stuff. It really is. And in the
1:05:04
Speaker 2: book I do include some celebrity charts, and I also
1:05:09
Speaker 2: did a rectified chart for a character that I love
1:05:12
Speaker 2: because I also love doing charts for characters that I
1:05:14
Speaker 2: love in television shows. So I had a lot of
1:05:16
Speaker 2: different techniques I share in there so people can get
1:05:18
Speaker 2: an idea of how these returns have worked out for
1:05:21
Speaker 2: different people. So we're just wait. I think for the
1:05:26
Speaker 2: notle returns I think I did at Freddie Mercury. Yeah,
1:05:31
Speaker 2: I think so if I remember correctly.
1:05:35
Speaker 1: If you want to ask another question, sorry about that.
1:05:39
Speaker 2: Let's see the one to spam. Nope, didn't go to spam.
1:05:43
Speaker 1: That's why I just emailed you before.
1:05:47
Speaker 2: Oh here it is it came up twice.
1:05:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe the new on one I think I
1:05:51
Speaker 1: didn't do as an attachment might be easy for you.
1:05:53
Speaker 2: Okay, so your north node is in your second house.
1:05:58
Speaker 2: It's a Libra, which is you know, Libra has a
1:06:02
Speaker 2: lot to say about relationships and legal things, so this
1:06:06
Speaker 2: could be Northwold here in Libra in the second house.
1:06:11
Speaker 2: How do I share with my partner if things don't
1:06:15
Speaker 2: work out? How do we share things? How do I
1:06:18
Speaker 2: make sure I remain independent in relationships? What's mine is
1:06:22
Speaker 2: yours with yours as mine? How do we dictate that
1:06:25
Speaker 2: and figured that out? So there's going to be issues
1:06:28
Speaker 2: around fairness relationships, possibly marriage, legal issues. I would say
1:06:35
Speaker 2: with this chart trying not to get sued, that would
1:06:38
Speaker 2: be really good advice. You know that's going to be
1:06:41
Speaker 2: where there are some issues for you to be working
1:06:44
Speaker 2: on now. Thankfully it is in a really good aspect
1:06:48
Speaker 2: to your natal mars, which helps. But Jupiter is also
1:06:53
Speaker 2: squaring off. Don't lend money to your friends, I would
1:06:58
Speaker 2: say with this charge, don't lend money to friend and
1:07:02
Speaker 2: don't get sued. And when it comes to relationships, make
1:07:06
Speaker 2: sure you have very clearly defined things about what's yours
1:07:10
Speaker 2: and mine and what's shared and what's not. So you
1:07:15
Speaker 2: have to be very, very cognizant of that. You know,
1:07:17
Speaker 2: it's going to be learning lessons on that.
1:07:19
Speaker 1: The last well, about a year and a half ago,
1:07:21
Speaker 1: I got divorced. I'm just I mean, I think, not
1:07:23
Speaker 1: that I'm going to get into it, but if I
1:07:25
Speaker 1: were to have explained the whole situation, I think everybody
1:07:27
Speaker 1: would say, she tried raping you financially and I stuck
1:07:31
Speaker 1: to my guns and I didn't get fucked.
1:07:34
Speaker 2: So good.
1:07:35
Speaker 1: I'm trying to.
1:07:36
Speaker 2: Say, you know what that means, you handled your north
1:07:38
Speaker 2: Node right, That's what you're supposed to be doing. Because
1:07:42
Speaker 2: one of the things with the North Node and Libra,
1:07:44
Speaker 2: people who have it there in the second house can
1:07:46
Speaker 2: risk getting sued for being in a relationship that's unequal. Also,
1:07:51
Speaker 2: when it comes to that whole self worth thing, it's
1:07:53
Speaker 2: really important with Libra North note being in your second
1:07:56
Speaker 2: house to make sure that your partner is worthy, that
1:07:58
Speaker 2: you have an equal And I'm not saying this to
1:08:00
Speaker 2: rip on your ex at all. I mean an equal
1:08:04
Speaker 2: means somebody we're on the same page, we're on the
1:08:05
Speaker 2: same wavelength, as is someone who respects me the way
1:08:08
Speaker 2: I respect them, or together where team it's harmonious for
1:08:12
Speaker 2: you if you're in something that's really exciting, which the
1:08:15
Speaker 2: eighth House wants some excitement, wants a little bit let's
1:08:18
Speaker 2: get a little bit dirty. I mean that could be great,
1:08:22
Speaker 2: but ultimately you've got to have someone who really respects you.
1:08:26
Speaker 2: You have that worth, you have all of that. So
1:08:29
Speaker 2: that's going to be big themes. And if you are
1:08:31
Speaker 2: not working on your self worth, there is also a
1:08:33
Speaker 2: tendency that might you might choose people that use you
1:08:37
Speaker 2: or in some way create inequality in the relationship. Like
1:08:41
Speaker 2: maybe you and I'm not telling your story, I'm just
1:08:43
Speaker 2: making something up off the top of it. Like maybe
1:08:45
Speaker 2: you get in a relationship with somebody they don't want
1:08:48
Speaker 2: to work and they don't want to contribute anything to
1:08:50
Speaker 2: the household. Suddenly you're doing all the work and you're
1:08:53
Speaker 2: coming home and doing to clean things. You know, this
1:08:55
Speaker 2: is making me think of that that thing that that
1:08:59
Speaker 2: rabbit hole Sabrina took me down. I bet that one's
1:09:01
Speaker 2: got a north noted Libra the second house, because why
1:09:05
Speaker 2: is she putting up with some stuff she should be Hm.
1:09:09
Speaker 3: I'm going to look up to see her chart is on.
1:09:11
Speaker 2: You're gonna find out her birch chart. That's that you wish.
1:09:15
Speaker 3: Now find out.
1:09:20
Speaker 1: Now the eighth house now, since you have the other
1:09:21
Speaker 1: stuff that's in there.
1:09:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you and I are opposites. You and I
1:09:28
Speaker 2: are opposites because for me and mine are in different planets. Also,
1:09:32
Speaker 2: there are in different signs. Excuse me, you know. So
1:09:37
Speaker 2: for me, it's very easy for me to make money.
1:09:42
Speaker 2: I have a good self worth. I have a good
1:09:43
Speaker 2: self esteem, which is really funny because I always got
1:09:46
Speaker 2: ripped on a lot, but I never believed it. You know,
1:09:48
Speaker 2: I'm like, why does this person think I'm not that great?
1:09:51
Speaker 2: I'm pretty cool and you know, so I've got a
1:09:53
Speaker 2: really healthy self esteem, which sometimes people think it means arrogance.
1:09:57
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I feel good about who I am.
1:09:59
Speaker 2: I know I'm a hard worker. I mean, I know
1:10:02
Speaker 2: I'm not like walking around looking like Angelina and Joelie.
1:10:05
Speaker 2: But I don't look at bad. I make it work.
1:10:07
Speaker 2: I don't worry about those things. So I have a good,
1:10:09
Speaker 2: healthy self esteem, and sometimes that really pisses people off.
1:10:14
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to ask for what I think i'm worth,
1:10:16
Speaker 2: you know, with money. I don't put up with any
1:10:18
Speaker 2: crapid relationships. As soon as you get stupid, I'm out
1:10:21
Speaker 2: of there. I don't put up with it, you know.
1:10:23
Speaker 2: So I've got my self note there. So there's a
1:10:27
Speaker 2: very healthy sense of self worth. And also there's the
1:10:30
Speaker 2: ability to really go into making money, which has always
1:10:34
Speaker 2: been easy for me because I will drill down and
1:10:37
Speaker 2: focus on that. But that north node in the eighth
1:10:39
Speaker 2: House means some of the issues that come up for
1:10:42
Speaker 2: me that's going to be opposite of yours. Is the
1:10:46
Speaker 2: way it showed up those I always get stuck handling
1:10:48
Speaker 2: other people's money, always get stuck handling other people's dirty
1:10:53
Speaker 2: money bs. And that is the been the main thing
1:10:57
Speaker 2: or it had to break people out of negative money mindset.
1:11:00
Speaker 2: You know, it's been crazy, the stories they are crazy.
1:11:04
Speaker 2: I've also had to learn to be more responsible with
1:11:07
Speaker 2: intimacy because I certainly had my bad days back in
1:11:11
Speaker 2: the day, and I had to learn to be a
1:11:12
Speaker 2: lot more responsible than I was. So we'll just be
1:11:16
Speaker 2: nice and politely a good time.
1:11:21
Speaker 3: I found the lady's chart, by the way, okay, is
1:11:25
Speaker 3: in Cancer in the fourth House.
1:11:29
Speaker 2: In Cancer in the fourth House, that's family stuff. Her roots.
1:11:34
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That would tell me with north no and
1:11:37
Speaker 2: in cancer in the fourth house. So and you have
1:11:40
Speaker 2: an exact time of birth for her too.
1:11:42
Speaker 3: It's a chart on the internet. I believe it.
1:11:45
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm obsessed. Send me. I need to see
1:11:48
Speaker 2: this chart. I'm gonna go look too, because an exact time.
1:11:53
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to be I see what I mean.
1:11:56
Speaker 4: I'm obsessive. I you, Okay, this is gonna because my life.
1:12:02
Speaker 4: Miss Now, Okay, I do not see a time of
1:12:08
Speaker 4: birth yet. Let me look at a different one.
1:12:13
Speaker 3: I love that we're doing a deep dive, but isn't so.
1:12:17
Speaker 3: I'm not an astrologer, but to me that it's in
1:12:19
Speaker 3: the fourth house like that it is around home and.
1:12:23
Speaker 2: It's home and it's also a family and it's your root.
1:12:27
Speaker 3: And her mother situation is like so weird. The whole
1:12:30
Speaker 3: thing is just but it's.
1:12:32
Speaker 2: Like a living situation now is weird.
1:12:35
Speaker 3: It's weird. And apparently that cabin that they live in
1:12:38
Speaker 3: was like an inherited thing from her family.
1:12:44
Speaker 2: It's all weird. I'm not finding an exact birth time.
1:12:47
Speaker 2: That makes me a little bit nervous. Let me look
1:12:49
Speaker 2: at this one. Ask oracle things one see, I'm seeing conflicting,
1:12:55
Speaker 2: there's no no real time. So we're going to forget
1:12:58
Speaker 2: about the fourth house. But it's in cancer. Yeah, So
1:13:02
Speaker 2: the big thing for her with it being in cancer,
1:13:06
Speaker 2: it is going to have a lot to do issues
1:13:08
Speaker 2: around mother, home, family root. She's got to go in
1:13:13
Speaker 2: there and heal that because whatever's happening in her life
1:13:15
Speaker 2: right now, which is looking a trauma response is probably
1:13:20
Speaker 2: we can tell we can take it all the way
1:13:22
Speaker 2: back to what is your relationship like with your mother?
1:13:27
Speaker 2: Is it healed? What was your home life like? Did
1:13:30
Speaker 2: you have security? Did you feel secure? There would be
1:13:33
Speaker 2: a lot of issues about feeling secure, and that might
1:13:37
Speaker 2: be if she's not dealing with that North note, she
1:13:40
Speaker 2: might be choosing situations to create security that are based
1:13:45
Speaker 2: on her feeling insecure. I mean, I'm not her psychiatrist
1:13:49
Speaker 2: or her astrologer R yeah, and I don't know her. So, Lindy,
1:13:53
Speaker 2: if you're listening to this, please I would never cause
1:13:56
Speaker 2: you harm with my readings, but I would say if
1:13:58
Speaker 2: we were doing North notes up, I would be encouraging
1:14:01
Speaker 2: to really do the work right there.
1:14:03
Speaker 3: So did you see was there something that happened at
1:14:07
Speaker 3: like forty five, did you say.
1:14:09
Speaker 2: Yeah for me? That was my uh my reverse nodle return.
1:14:13
Speaker 3: So I think she's forty four right now, so I
1:14:16
Speaker 3: guess next year she would be going through that. So hopefully,
1:14:22
Speaker 3: hopefully all of this gets resolved for her by then. Also, Lindy,
1:14:25
Speaker 3: if you're listening, we don't hate you. We want the
1:14:28
Speaker 3: best for you, which is I think why the story
1:14:30
Speaker 3: has gone so viral. It's like people want better for her.
1:14:34
Speaker 2: That's the they care about her. Yeah, they care about
1:14:37
Speaker 2: her people. You know. The other one of the things
1:14:39
Speaker 2: I'll see is I want everyone to make it. I
1:14:40
Speaker 2: want everyone to succeed. There's very few people I want
1:14:43
Speaker 2: to see go to hell in a handbasket. That's like
1:14:46
Speaker 2: I could kind of maybe buy bankers, but really I
1:14:49
Speaker 2: want everyone to make it and be good and be
1:14:51
Speaker 2: a decent human. And I think astrology and Tara can
1:14:54
Speaker 2: help people with that if it's done right, I want
1:14:57
Speaker 2: you to make it. And so if she was my client,
1:15:00
Speaker 2: and I would just say, I want you to make it.
1:15:02
Speaker 2: I want you to be healthy and happy and loved
1:15:05
Speaker 2: the way you should be loved. I want you getting
1:15:07
Speaker 2: all everything you deserve. That's what I would like to see,
1:15:12
Speaker 2: and so many people don't do that for themselves. They
1:15:17
Speaker 2: really don't. They choose these mediocre lives or terrible partners,
1:15:22
Speaker 2: They put up with cramp they shouldn't and they're unhappy,
1:15:25
Speaker 2: or they sleep walk through life. Well wonder how did
1:15:27
Speaker 2: I get here? It's like, well, wait a minute, let's
1:15:29
Speaker 2: pay attention. What do you really want? What do you need?
1:15:32
Speaker 2: What is astrology showing you? How can we get you there?
1:15:35
Speaker 2: Let's get this figured out.
1:15:37
Speaker 3: That's part of why I love this work too, whether
1:15:39
Speaker 3: it's astrology or we use staffer TiO like that really
1:15:43
Speaker 3: for me is the point, Like, can we elevate, reject mediocrity,
1:15:48
Speaker 3: heal our shit and move on in a good way
1:15:51
Speaker 3: and just live a happy, healthy life. I mean, that's
1:15:54
Speaker 3: what all this shit is about.
1:15:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about being proactive intead of saying life happened
1:16:01
Speaker 2: to me, No terrible things happen to you. Of course
1:16:04
Speaker 2: they do. Terrible things can happen. They're very random. You
1:16:07
Speaker 2: don't get a choice which which family grow up in.
1:16:09
Speaker 2: I mean, believe me, I would have been choosing something else.
1:16:12
Speaker 2: No offense, Mom and dad, you do. I have no
1:16:14
Speaker 2: ill will towards my parents I would have chosen a
1:16:16
Speaker 2: very very different choice if I had it, But I
1:16:19
Speaker 2: was born into that family. I had to navigate it,
1:16:22
Speaker 2: you know. And that is the thing. So we don't
1:16:25
Speaker 2: have control over everything, but astrology and terror at least
1:16:27
Speaker 2: give us a map so we can start becoming good
1:16:30
Speaker 2: humans and have good lives and have a shot at
1:16:33
Speaker 2: being fulfilled and have a mission and a legacy and
1:16:37
Speaker 2: things to think about. Whether that means writing a million
1:16:40
Speaker 2: books or tending to a beautiful garden, whatever it is.
1:16:47
Speaker 1: Something else. I just wanted to ask you too, have
1:16:50
Speaker 1: a few other questions, and then we'll wrap it up.
1:16:53
Speaker 1: Which return besides Saturn do you most wish people understood better.
1:17:00
Speaker 2: I think the solar return is a really important one,
1:17:04
Speaker 2: and yeah, in my opinion, so the sand in return,
1:17:07
Speaker 2: I think is really hella important. And I think anything
1:17:12
Speaker 2: with Saturn, Chiron and the nos, whether we're talking about
1:17:15
Speaker 2: your return charts or just where they are in your
1:17:17
Speaker 2: needle chart, that's important. Go into the wound, heal that crap,
1:17:21
Speaker 2: become a good human, and don't cause damage to other people. Simple.
1:17:26
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the return charts, the most
1:17:28
Speaker 2: important one is always going to be your solar return
1:17:30
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, because that is your that's going to
1:17:33
Speaker 2: show your big theme for the year, where you could
1:17:36
Speaker 2: be putting energy where you might be experiencing problems. It's very,
1:17:41
Speaker 2: very helpful. So and here's the cool thing about the
1:17:44
Speaker 2: solar return. If you don't like the way the chart looks,
1:17:48
Speaker 2: travel on your birthday. I learned this from Bob a
1:17:51
Speaker 2: book Bob Marks wrote about how to have success and
1:17:53
Speaker 2: happiness by traveling on your birthday. And it works because
1:17:57
Speaker 2: one year an astrology told me that they're like, you
1:18:00
Speaker 2: should go to la and your birthday. I'm like, why,
1:18:02
Speaker 2: They're like, your silver return chart's so much better. Just go,
1:18:05
Speaker 2: you're gonna have the best year. I said, what the hell,
1:18:07
Speaker 2: I'll try anything once. I always like to say, I
1:18:09
Speaker 2: use myself as a Petri dish for all the astrology
1:18:12
Speaker 2: in Tarots. I can come back and report about it.
1:18:14
Speaker 2: And so I did it, and we were on my birthday.
1:18:18
Speaker 2: I was in this Italian restaurant called Aroma, which no
1:18:21
Speaker 2: longer exists, and silver like having the most amazing meal
1:18:24
Speaker 2: next to this elderly couple named Ricky and Lucy who
1:18:27
Speaker 2: used to live in New York in the garment district
1:18:29
Speaker 2: and they were all involved in the garment and they
1:18:31
Speaker 2: were just phenomenal people. And I had the best flipping
1:18:36
Speaker 2: year of my life, Like everything was awesome. I'm like
1:18:40
Speaker 2: holy cats or something to it. Well, then COVID happened
1:18:43
Speaker 2: and I couldn't travel on my birthday the last couple
1:18:45
Speaker 2: of years, and so I kind of got stuck with
1:18:47
Speaker 2: the chart I did. And last year, my astrologer Sam Reynolds.
1:18:53
Speaker 2: I love Sam rentlds. He's a scorpio again. I'm a scorpio. Stand.
1:18:56
Speaker 2: He's an amazing astrologer. Folks, you want to get blown
1:19:00
Speaker 2: an away. Sam is my man. His website is Unlock Astrology.
1:19:04
Speaker 2: So I've been with Sam for years and Sam I
1:19:07
Speaker 2: looked at my chart. I wasn't even like paying attention
1:19:09
Speaker 2: with chart. He's looking at and he said, you're gonna
1:19:11
Speaker 2: bleed money this year. I'm like, God, damn it, don't
1:19:13
Speaker 2: tell me that. I'm like, well, maybe he'll be wrong.
1:19:16
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he was so right. I have bled
1:19:18
Speaker 2: so much money this year because of a horrible tenant
1:19:20
Speaker 2: situation and my car died. And I looked back at
1:19:24
Speaker 2: my chart the solo return. I'm like, God, damn it.
1:19:27
Speaker 2: My son was in the second house money and it
1:19:30
Speaker 2: was horribly aspected by the moon. No wonder I bled
1:19:33
Speaker 2: so much money. I wish I would have paid attention
1:19:36
Speaker 2: and traveled on my birthday, but I didn't and I couldn't,
1:19:40
Speaker 2: so I got stuck with it. So this next one
1:19:42
Speaker 2: that's coming up because I am again obsessed. I was
1:19:45
Speaker 2: like looking at it, and it's really good. I have
1:19:48
Speaker 2: a really good solo return coming up if I stay home.
1:19:51
Speaker 2: So I'm supposed to be on my book tour, but
1:19:52
Speaker 2: I made sure on my book tour, I'm not traveling
1:19:54
Speaker 2: on my birthday because I'm going to have a very
1:19:57
Speaker 2: very very good solo return chart like phenomenal. So it Sabrina,
1:20:03
Speaker 2: you've heard this here. Now I better hurt the best
1:20:05
Speaker 2: year ever if I bitch, you're gonna tell me what
1:20:08
Speaker 2: about that chart? You liar?
1:20:11
Speaker 3: You heard it here. I'll hold you account of goal.
1:20:15
Speaker 3: That's so cool though, that there is a way to
1:20:17
Speaker 3: like work with a kind of bad chart, Like I
1:20:20
Speaker 3: think that's really neat.
1:20:22
Speaker 2: And I've done that with clients where I'm like, no,
1:20:24
Speaker 2: just go here on your birthday and they reported back
1:20:27
Speaker 2: that oh my god, yeah, things were better because or
1:20:30
Speaker 2: I had a better year. I mitigated some of the
1:20:32
Speaker 2: issues by traveling on their birthday, So it does work.
1:20:35
Speaker 3: It's got crazy decide where to go, though, well, just pick.
1:20:39
Speaker 2: Some random places so you find one you like. Now.
1:20:41
Speaker 2: Rebecca Gordon, who's another amazing astrologer, highly recommend her. I
1:20:46
Speaker 2: took classes with her and she says, if you don't
1:20:49
Speaker 2: want the civil return, go west. That's when it gets better.
1:20:54
Speaker 2: And that's what happened. I went west from where I live.
1:20:56
Speaker 2: I went to Los Angeles that one year and had
1:20:58
Speaker 2: the best damp year. Like phenomenal. So that's what Rebecca
1:21:03
Speaker 2: Gordon recommends. And she's again she's another one. You're looking
1:21:08
Speaker 2: for a good astrologer or a really good teacher, Holy cats,
1:21:12
Speaker 2: her classes are phenomenal. Highly recommend her. She also does
1:21:16
Speaker 2: astra crytography, which is where you can find the vibe
1:21:20
Speaker 2: of different places around the world to decide where to
1:21:23
Speaker 2: travel or where to live. That's cool, Yeah, cool stuff.
1:21:31
Speaker 1: I did also want to ask, I was going to
1:21:33
Speaker 1: ask about solo return Would you pretty much explain that
1:21:37
Speaker 1: what do lunar returns reveal? That people tend to overlook.
1:21:42
Speaker 2: Lunar returns? Are they show and you get out one
1:21:47
Speaker 2: every month they're showing like the moment that the moon
1:21:50
Speaker 2: is back in and the place at it was in
1:21:52
Speaker 2: when you were born, and so what does it really
1:21:54
Speaker 2: gives you a glimpse into your emotional state or where
1:21:57
Speaker 2: you're going to be feeling emotional that month. So it
1:22:02
Speaker 2: can tell a lot about you know, how am I
1:22:04
Speaker 2: going to be feeling? Is my moon poorly aspected? Is
1:22:07
Speaker 2: it is this month? Is it going to be in
1:22:10
Speaker 2: my house of relationships? Am I going to experience something
1:22:13
Speaker 2: great or problems? I think one of the lunar return
1:22:17
Speaker 2: charts examples I use was my own that I was
1:22:21
Speaker 2: having a really cranky issue with a family member and
1:22:25
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, let me go look at my lunar
1:22:26
Speaker 2: return and I'm like, holy, my lounar return was not
1:22:31
Speaker 2: in a good place. I ended up cutting this person off,
1:22:33
Speaker 2: and I mean it was ugly, and my moon really
1:22:38
Speaker 2: reflected that. So you can now if I would have
1:22:40
Speaker 2: looked at that before I got into this war with
1:22:42
Speaker 2: this person, maybe I would have sidestepped that. But it
1:22:45
Speaker 2: was too late, so the damage was done and I
1:22:49
Speaker 2: look back later and I'm like, damn it. So it
1:22:51
Speaker 2: could give you a clue again, to your emotions for
1:22:53
Speaker 2: the month. So how am I going to be feeling
1:22:55
Speaker 2: this month? Where am I going to be emotionally directing energy?
1:22:58
Speaker 2: And it's pretty inter resting stuff.
1:23:02
Speaker 1: Thank you, so gritty. Did you have any other questions
1:23:06
Speaker 1: or anything.
1:23:08
Speaker 3: I was wondering about Venus and Jupiter returns.
1:23:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the benefics. So when your Venus return comes along,
1:23:19
Speaker 2: I mean it's going to first all activate how you
1:23:22
Speaker 2: love and how you spend, So the Venus return can
1:23:28
Speaker 2: really give you clues. And the Venus return comes around
1:23:30
Speaker 2: about once every thirteen months, you know, about a year,
1:23:35
Speaker 2: And so what it does is again, it gives you
1:23:37
Speaker 2: a lot of information about romance relationships, children too, depending
1:23:43
Speaker 2: on where it's a Sometimes children usually don't fall more
1:23:47
Speaker 2: under the Sun's realm. But I do find people sometimes
1:23:49
Speaker 2: have issues with their children under a venus return because
1:23:52
Speaker 2: it's who they love, it's who you love, how you love,
1:23:55
Speaker 2: and it's also has a lot to do with your spending.
1:23:57
Speaker 2: So one of the examples I use in the book,
1:24:00
Speaker 2: I had somebody who was going through this horrific divorce
1:24:05
Speaker 2: like bad and also bleeding money left and right. I'm like,
1:24:10
Speaker 2: let's look at your venus return. The Venus return was
1:24:14
Speaker 2: really poorly aspected, and the way it was hitting, it's
1:24:20
Speaker 2: like Venus was going back and forth because it also
1:24:23
Speaker 2: went retrograde, and so the Venus was like going back
1:24:26
Speaker 2: and forth over this person's venus like a steamroller going
1:24:29
Speaker 2: over a squirrel. And basically what happened is this person
1:24:34
Speaker 2: had to boot their abusive spouse and which was really ugly,
1:24:40
Speaker 2: and then had to support them because the dude was
1:24:42
Speaker 2: a loser for months until they finally were able to
1:24:46
Speaker 2: get a really good attorney and get that situation resolved.
1:24:50
Speaker 2: So the whole Venus return, during the time it was
1:24:53
Speaker 2: really active, they were going through hell and then it
1:24:57
Speaker 2: took a full year to clean everything up afterwards. So
1:25:02
Speaker 2: the whole year was all about replenishing my money, getting
1:25:05
Speaker 2: rid of this loser, setting boundaries, getting a vicious lawyer,
1:25:10
Speaker 2: which is what I advise. I'm like, you've got to
1:25:12
Speaker 2: get the biggest bitch lawyer you can find. You've been
1:25:16
Speaker 2: to get hardcore. So that's the Venus return. So Venus
1:25:20
Speaker 2: return a lot of people though another example I used
1:25:23
Speaker 2: to someone who found love during the Venus return, and
1:25:26
Speaker 2: the Venus return was well aspected. I'm like, Okay, this
1:25:29
Speaker 2: could be the one for this person, and so far
1:25:32
Speaker 2: now they've been together a couple of years and it's
1:25:34
Speaker 2: heading that way. So their Venus return is really well
1:25:38
Speaker 2: aspected found love. It's been going strong ever since, so
1:25:42
Speaker 2: that's awesome. Now, the Jupiter return is giving you an opportunity.
1:25:47
Speaker 2: It's going to show where you're expanding and growing. So
1:25:50
Speaker 2: during the year that it's present, you'll find yourself experiencing
1:25:54
Speaker 2: a lot of growth. But it also sets a town
1:25:57
Speaker 2: for the next twelve years of where you can expand,
1:25:59
Speaker 2: where you can role as a human, you know, in
1:26:02
Speaker 2: your work, depending on where it lands. You have to
1:26:05
Speaker 2: be very careful when the Jupiter return is really active though,
1:26:07
Speaker 2: because sometimes you can put on a lot of weight.
1:26:09
Speaker 2: It's great if you're trying to bulk up. It's not
1:26:12
Speaker 2: so great if you're not trying to bulk up, you know.
1:26:14
Speaker 2: So that's the one thing I found during a Jupiter return,
1:26:18
Speaker 2: really pay attention to that unless again your bodybuilding, then
1:26:22
Speaker 2: have at it. So Jupiter return can again really give
1:26:27
Speaker 2: you a lot of ideas about where you expand. So
1:26:30
Speaker 2: my Jupiter in my natal chart is in my eighth house,
1:26:34
Speaker 2: and so you know, during that time it was good
1:26:37
Speaker 2: for me financially, which is the eighth house. When I
1:26:40
Speaker 2: was in the last Jupiter return. Then, of course, now
1:26:44
Speaker 2: my last chart has really done me dirty. But we're
1:26:46
Speaker 2: going to forget about that. Let me just quickly whip
1:26:49
Speaker 2: up my Jupiter return though, just I can tell you
1:26:52
Speaker 2: where it is again, because off the top of my head,
1:26:54
Speaker 2: I always forget. I have to have things written down.
1:26:57
Speaker 2: So my Jupiter return chart, the last one, is in
1:26:59
Speaker 2: my eleventh house. And even though the themes of my
1:27:03
Speaker 2: eighth house that's for my Jupiter resides about money, YadA, YadA, YadA,
1:27:07
Speaker 2: that was going on during that year. Now over the
1:27:10
Speaker 2: course of the next twelve years, Jupiter's in my eleventh house.
1:27:16
Speaker 2: That's a good placement. Eleventh house. Jupiter there loves being there.
1:27:21
Speaker 2: So for Jupiter, is that where it is in your
1:27:24
Speaker 2: natal chart?
1:27:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
1:27:27
Speaker 2: That's a good place for it to be, Okay, good
1:27:31
Speaker 2: just in general. In general, it's a good place because
1:27:33
Speaker 2: it's good for reaching goals, attracting friends. It's a little
1:27:37
Speaker 2: bit lucky there. It opens up to a lot of
1:27:39
Speaker 2: cool social experiences, so it's it's really groovy. And so
1:27:43
Speaker 2: for it to be there for my Jupiter return chart.
1:27:48
Speaker 2: That is going to be very good for my goals.
1:27:51
Speaker 2: It could be good for my friendships. Although I've made
1:27:53
Speaker 2: some very difficult made some big decisions about friendships through
1:27:56
Speaker 2: the stand of return. Hopefully it's going to be better friends,
1:28:00
Speaker 2: better friends, better peers. That's what I'm hoping for. And
1:28:04
Speaker 2: I've been seeing a play out like I had some
1:28:07
Speaker 2: friendships that I have lately been really enjoying some thinking. Okay,
1:28:12
Speaker 2: if I get in twelve years of some good people
1:28:13
Speaker 2: around me, I'll take it. I'll take it.
1:28:20
Speaker 1: Thank you. If you ain't got anything left, I think
1:28:25
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. Oh well, one other question that I
1:28:26
Speaker 1: would ask, what do you hope that the readers get
1:28:30
Speaker 1: out of this book? If you can think of one thing,
1:28:33
Speaker 1: if I can.
1:28:34
Speaker 2: Think of one thing, I hope to take a complicated
1:28:37
Speaker 2: subject and make it so people feel confident reading return
1:28:42
Speaker 2: charts and understanding those patterns for their selves or maybe
1:28:46
Speaker 2: for their clients. It's all about again creating that gateway,
1:28:49
Speaker 2: and then if they want to go deeper, I hope
1:28:51
Speaker 2: it sends you down a million rabbit holes and you
1:28:53
Speaker 2: get obsessed like I do.
1:28:56
Speaker 1: I like that. That was great. Thank you so much
1:28:59
Speaker 1: for you. So that was an awesome listening to you.
1:29:00
Speaker 1: I had a really good one.
1:29:03
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you so much for having me and Brina.
1:29:06
Speaker 2: Good to see you too. This was really really wonderful
1:29:08
Speaker 2: and I love talking to Haeryld astrology and all the
1:29:11
Speaker 2: witchy things, so it was my pleasure to be here.
1:29:14
Speaker 1: Thank you. Before we wrap it up, Sabrina, do you
1:29:17
Speaker 1: want to remind everybody where they can find both your shows?
1:29:20
Speaker 3: Yeah? So everything is on YouTube, YouTube dot com slash
1:29:23
Speaker 3: Sabrina Scott. I'm sure a lot of people are just
1:29:25
Speaker 3: watching this on YouTube, so just look Sabrina Scott on
1:29:28
Speaker 3: YouTube is over there. It's also linked on my website
1:29:30
Speaker 3: Sabrina Imscott dot com. We can find out all things
1:29:33
Speaker 3: about pair of reading, coaching, whatever, all the things.
1:29:38
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you making it. And Teresa, please
1:29:41
Speaker 1: let everybody know about your website in the book.
1:29:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my website is the Tarry Lady dot com.
1:29:48
Speaker 2: That's where you combine all things about me. I didn't
1:29:50
Speaker 2: even realize there was a chat thing going. Sorry guys,
1:29:52
Speaker 2: I ignored you. I didn't mean that. I didn't realize
1:29:55
Speaker 2: that anyhow. That's where you combine all things about me.
1:29:59
Speaker 2: And my new book is coming out on May fourth,
1:30:03
Speaker 2: and if you pre order the book, which I really
1:30:05
Speaker 2: recommend you do, I'm actually doing a free live class
1:30:09
Speaker 2: for people pre order called how to Read Any Return Chart.
1:30:12
Speaker 2: It is going to give you the mechanics and the basics,
1:30:15
Speaker 2: so it is going to support what's in the book,
1:30:18
Speaker 2: So you're going to have your confidence before you even
1:30:20
Speaker 2: crack that book open. Oh and the way to get
1:30:23
Speaker 2: there just go to my website tearly dot com. Click
1:30:26
Speaker 2: on books, click on the Book of Astrological Returns, scroll down,
1:30:29
Speaker 2: and you'll see where to enter your email and also
1:30:32
Speaker 2: the receipt number for your pre order, and then boom,
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Speaker 2: you're in.
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Speaker 1: That is sick. Nice. That is really cool. Nice. That's impressive. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard anybody really do anything
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Speaker 1: like that nice.
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Speaker 2: It'd be fun, I look by the way.
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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, thank you everybody who joined in on
1:30:52
Speaker 1: the live. There's a lot of good stuff in the chat.
1:30:54
Speaker 1: Thank you for the questions, and again thank you Sabrina
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Speaker 1: for joining us, and Teresa, I really had a cracked time.
1:31:00
Speaker 1: Hopefully get you on again in the future. And uh,
1:31:03
Speaker 1: that is the end of it. Awesome, And that is
1:31:05
Speaker 1: the end of another recult rejects until the next one.
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Speaker 1: Everybody be well later