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PODCAST: Episode 845 - Agnostic Front’s Roger Miret Talks Echoes in Eternity and Staying True to Hardcore · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  When we do that Ramones cover, like I always talk about how
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  influential the Ramones were to us and made us believe that we
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  too could be a band. Like I say, a lot of newer bands
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  are doing a phenomenal nowadays. Like for example, your Knock
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  Loose or your Turnstile. I mean, they just took an
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  interpretation of what we were kind of doing and made it their
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  own, made it their own style, their own attempt.
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  But these are bands that always respected what we came up with,
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  you know, And it's cool to see stuff like that move.
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  And, you know, you got to pass a torch.
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  You got to let it move on. And it was the whole intention
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  of it was not to just keep it for myself.
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  I hide in a closet with him. Like, no, you can't have.
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  It doesn't make any sense, you know?
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  So I'm just grateful for these bands that are continuing doing
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  with their own interpretation of something that we felt so strong
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  about, and they're doing it and it's great.
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  What's up everybody? It's Kefi Ghost, coleman.com.
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  I'm super honored today to be joined by Roger Moret of
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  Agnostic Front and other bands and other things.
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  How are you doing, Sir? Good brother, how are you man?
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  Thank you for having. Me.
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  Thank you for being here, man. It's it's truly an honor.
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  We've met a bunch of times. I've been a fan from way back.
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  I was not a hardcore kid. I was a little metal kid in New
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  York City and my friends brought me to my first matinee at CBS in
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  87 in my sophomore year of high school when I was shitting
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  bricks that I was going to get creamed and killed by people.
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  Because, you know, he's like, dude, why did you wear that
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  Metallica shirt? And why is your hair so long?
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  Hide that shit in your hoodie and put your Yankees hat on
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  tight. And I, I stood in the corner.
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  Nobody fucked with me and everything was wonderful.
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  And then like a year later, metal and hardcore were buddies.
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  So, you know, I've always, you know, respected and admired and,
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  and loved the band. And this new record to me stands
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  up with anything you guys have ever done.
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  And I know that's maybe a little cliche.
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  Every band says this next record is the best thing we've ever
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  done. But I do feel like this is
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  particularly fierce and strong all the way through for a very
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  long album. Well, I appreciate that.
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  Thank you. I mean, I have, I, I feel good
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  about this album myself and I I feel that there's elements of
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  pretty much our catalog our whole career or a little.
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  You could hear a little bit of everything in there, you know,
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  and at the same time it's there's also something fresh and
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  new too. So it's it's to me, I'm enjoying
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  it so. Far right on and Congrats on
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  signing with raining Phoenix. They seem to be killing the game
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  and I often remark that the only like a person getting a new job,
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  the only way to get a raise or a better circumstance or the
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  career you want in if you're in the industry is to sign with a
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  new label. And I feel like you guys could
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  have gone anywhere. So I wanted to know, you know
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  what, you know how that process has been for you and you know
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  how, how did you know, how did you guys come design with them
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  and, and you know, how did they court you, so to speak?
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  Well, you know what it it it was kind of a a natural progression
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  for us because we were on nuclear blast records as as you
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  all know, and a nuclear blast kind of split up and Marcus was
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  the owner nuclear blast when they split up, he took his and
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  favorite bands us Meshuga, Halloween, I can't remember all
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  of them right now, which were bands he signed, he loved very
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  much. And he took him with us with him
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  to a label that at the time called the atomic fire.
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  And Atomic fire was pretty much everybody in RPM that was hired
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  for atomic fire. But then they felt like atomic
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  fire sent out too much like nuclear blast, like kind of off
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  the same thing. And then Marcus end up selling
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  again the, the, his independent label and they became rain in
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  Phoenix. But we were always kind of in
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  it. And, and we, you know, to be
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  honest with you, our back catalog was moving along with
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  like from Nuclear Blast to Atomic Fire and it landed in
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  rain in Phoenix. So like we're like, well, might
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  as well just stay here. You know, we know everybody.
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  We've been working with them since nuclear blast and they do
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  have our catalog and they're easy to work with, good people
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  to work for you. And they, and they're very eager
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  and very hungry to do stuff and nothing better than getting a
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  label like that, you know? Right on somebody that's in your
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  corner that's showing support. I know the business is smaller
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  than people think the the the hardcore and metal music world
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  and I'm super stoked to I didn't know that they also had your
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  catalog so that's super cool. I hope that means like reissues
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  and you know, maybe some some loving historical stuff because
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  I'm an I'm a big geek for that kind of stuff, especially
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  getting getting like vinyl from the hardcore scene from back in
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  the day. Like I got that, you know, the,
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  the SSD record that came out. A couple of them have come out,
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  but I got the big one on record store day and I was like, I had
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  all my feels. I was like, Oh, you know, like
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  that's a band that and then I go way back to also like it's
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  always come back to the certain bands, you know, AF SSD, Gorilla
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  Biscuits, like the thing, you know, bands that matter to me.
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  But you know, Echoes in eternity right off the Batman.
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  What a what a killer album all the way through every single
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  element. And I love that title.
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  And I you know, of course, my my, my brain goes to Gladiator,
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  what we do Echoes in Eternity and I I could feel like it.
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  Yeah, naturally. And, you know, kind of go just
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  kind of goes with the band and, and goes with the themes of the
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  album and, you know, overcoming struggles and just kind of I
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  feel like we're in, I talked to somebody yesterday and they were
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  like, we're in a personal war every day, just ourselves to
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  live. And we're in a war.
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  Humanity is in a war against the planet, against each other,
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  against all these things. So it's kind of like, it
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  shouldn't have to feel like such a grind to survive, but it does.
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  And I wanted to just talk about like, the lyrical themes of this
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  record to start things off. OK, cool.
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  You know, obviously the, you know, the same certain things
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  come back over and over in our lives, right?
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  Like a, you know, common bonds and reminders and the things
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  that guide our compasses morally and personally.
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  But also like, I feel like you are stretching yourself.
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  Like here's things I want to talk about.
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  And, and I wondered if anything, you know, obviously I hope your
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  health is good and your family's good, but like if anything
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  personally has come up that's kind of moved you or move that
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  needle for you into some other things.
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  Obviously, yes, you know, like I mean, pandemic was a huge thing
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  for a lot of people. It pretty much delete or erase
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  two years of people's lives in some sort or some way, you know,
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  so you know, there was a lot of things, you know, you go into
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  these deep thoughts and everything.
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  I mean, you say change the world.
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  Everybody, everybody all sudden was on social media.
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  Everybody had a comment. Everybody has something to say.
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  Everybody was a doctor then everybody was a politician.
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  It's like it's crazy. You know what the stirring that
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  shit did, you know, and and it's it's it's so you know, with that
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  alone, you got a lot to say, a lot to to talk about.
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  You know, like lyrical wise. It mean we're we're we're you
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  know, a lot of content is from going going through hard times
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  and coming back over. We like to speak anyway about
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  what we call what I call social politics, stuff that goes around
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  me on a day-to-day basis, not about like world politics.
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  I leave that for the politicians and and all those crooks to deal
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  with. You know, of course we'll touch
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  on stuff like you're like, for example, Way of War, that's just
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  a basic song talking about the criminalities of war and how
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  we're forced into this stuff. And it's, you know, casualties
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  are horrible, like a lot of civilians, you know, and who the
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  hell wants war, you know, And I don't know that people don't
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  want war, but it's just, it is what it is.
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  Other than that, you know, we have songs like like Sunday
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  Matinee, for example, which is pretty much about our live
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  shows. And you know, like you, like you
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  just mentioned earlier how you went to your first show and all
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  of a sudden you like, you know, you felt like you belonged all
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  of a sudden. And that's like a an anthem to
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  sing along to something that made you feel like home and made
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  you feel welcome and you want to sing along to it because you you
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  could feel it, you know, So I mean, it's, it's there's stuff
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  in there. Pretty much if I go song by
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  song, it'll be nuts. But there's a lot of good stuff
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  in there. Divided another song, which is
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  the pretty much the metaphor of the album cover.
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  That line, for example, I have Rd. over here because I knew if
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  I was getting asked that line, spill the blood for the
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  innocent, you know, it's pretty much from what was the driving
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  force to the cover artwork that was done by Ernie Perrotta, who
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  was in token entry. It's like, you know, that kid
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  just blindfold with a flag, just straight up going to, you know,
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  maybe not questioning everything, not looking at
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  everything, you know, and it's doesn't even know that that he's
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  waving a flag of or carrying a flag and it's on fire behind
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  him. That's how blind people are now
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  move along or how they will do things as fed to them.
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  You know, there's a lot of fear that was brought to the to
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  people and the reaction was just wild.
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  You know, like, I mean, it's typical, you know, like you
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  don't keep people in fear and then you'll want of government,
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  you know, So there's a lot of stuff like that, you know, like
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  awareness, you know, but it's nothing new for Agnostic Front.
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  I mean, go back and listen to, for example, the American Dream
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  Die 2014, two 1015, whenever come out, look at that record
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  and everything, every single song on that record hits today.
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  You're like, damn, these guys are calling this shit out years
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  ago. We've been calling this shit out
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  many, many years ago, but it's now in everyone's face, you
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  know? Right on all the way back to the
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  beginning. By the way, that show that I
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  mentioned, I saw it, it was Burn and Monkey Pup or Monkey Pup and
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  Burn. And of course Monkey Pup became
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  Doggy Dog and Burn became Orange 9mm later and Orange 9 is back
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  doing stuff and Doggy Dog is still touring and kicking ass
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  and having fun. So you know, it was a wild time.
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  Like 3538 years later I'm still talking about that show that
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  changed my life a lot. And yeah, this band changed my
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  life a lot and this records going to change, I think, some
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  people's lives because like hardcore has always been a
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  thing. Like we'll take you wherever,
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  whenever, you know, whenever you come in, we'll take you.
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  We don't. Like you weren't in back in the
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  day. You didn't see Suicidal back in
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  the day. It's like, it's cool you were
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  here now and we'll accept you. Yeah, it's not like a very
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  unfortunately my homies in metal, we're just a little bit
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  too much of this shit in the back of the room and like too
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  much judging and too much like, you know, neckbeard shit.
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  Yeah, the whole Internet is a neckbeard now.
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  It's fun. And I work in media and
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  marketing, so it's kind of like, I know I'm tired of social media
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  even for my own personal life. I just do it professionally and
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  I don't I don't enjoy it as much.
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  But yeah, man, we need kind of a call to arms.
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  We need, you know, people to open up our eyes and kind of
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  punch us awake a little bit. Because I think the technology's
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  been amazing and it's fun and convenience, right?
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  But it's super dangerous, it's a super slippery slope and we are
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  not using this muscle up here anymore.
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  They want to program you with the everybody at the front of
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  the phone. You get slowly, little by
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  little, getting programmed and then everybody's righteous with
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  what they believe. And then, you know, and
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  rightful. You know, some people really go
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  home, they believe, but they ignore other things too.
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  Like I like to listen to everything and everyone,
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  everybody that make them, they make my own judgment, you know?
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  I mean, that's a true essence of the band, agnostic meaning
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  endowed the absolute truth to you see your own eyes.
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  So that's how I kind of live, you know, like, yeah, there's so
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  many fucked up shit going on everywhere, every side, every
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  place, you know? But I'll make those judgments as
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  they see it. Myself right on Shout Out to
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  Yourself and the whole band is such a fierce record musically.
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  I love you guys still kind of having the sound but trying
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  again just like you with the vocals and the lyrics, trying
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  some new things, but it also feels like again, very old
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  school. A lot of call and response, a
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  lot of great huge choruses. The record went like I I saw 15
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  tracks, but I was like, oh, it's a 15 track Agnostic Front
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  record, so it's going to go fast.
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  It's not going to be too long. Any particular songs aren't
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  going to be we're not doing, you know, progressive metal epics
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  here. And I love the just the the
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  rawness of it. That was really big for me.
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  I had in my notes like how raw every song was, guitars, vocals,
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  gang cook, choruses like drumming, like bass, everything
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  is raw and you know, very strong and powerful.
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  Right. And I give credit all that,
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  obviously a lot of it to our producer, Mike Dijon, who was
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  also at that point our 6th member of the band, who was
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  involved pretty much the whole process of everything from the
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  writing to the production to the mix, to the videos.
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  I mean, even with the mix, he didn't mix it, but he gave the
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  direction and what he was thinking, what he was feeling to
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  Zeus who mixed it, who did a phenomenal job, you know, and
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  it's it was all a vision was sought through and it
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  continuously still being sought through all the way through.
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  He's calling me right now and I don't want to deal with him.
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  Sorry. No, it's OK, Go ahead and just
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  crack me up because it happens all the time.
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  It's no biggie. Go ahead.
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  Yeah, yeah. So, so it was like his vision
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  sought all the way through from, like I said, the writing process
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  to the recording process to the cover to the videos.
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  He's been a part of it too, you know, he he's he's been like our
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  6 member. It wasn't just like, OK, I
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  produced, I was in a studio, I'm done.
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  It was never like that, you know.
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  It was something that he held dear to his heart and we greatly
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  appreciate that because he is with us all the time.
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  He is like our brother and we consider him when I was a six
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  member, so it was really cool. Right on.
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  Super cool. Umm yeah, Mike did a phenomenal
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  job. It's probably like one of my
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  favorite in terms of just the guitar sound on an AF record is
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  probably my one of my favorites. It's so killer.
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  It was precisely looked for, it was something he was looking for
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  and he got it. When he told Zeus what he was
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  wanting and looking for, Zeus was excited first of all to be
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  working on a record because we've worked with him before
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  obviously. And he loved Craig Silverman.
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  He loved his style of guitar playing.
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  So he was just excited to to get behind it because he knew the
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  guitars are going to sound great.
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  And then when he heard it, he was just blown away.
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  He goes, wow, these sounds amazing.
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  I could do so much with them. I'm going to make him sound huge
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  and which is perfect. Yeah, Zeus is great man, and I
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  got to hang out with him when I lived in Boston and the Boston
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  area. So I'm all the time it shows and
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  Worcester and just a phenomenal dude and he has like some of the
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  best ears ever. Like, you know, I'm like, I
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  don't think I could do that. Like I don't think I could mix
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  records. I I've made a lot of records as
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  a musician and I don't think I could mix a record properly by
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  myself. It just seems like you gotta
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  have, you know, 6th sense or superpowers or just like maybe
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  not all the hearing loss that I probably have endured in this
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  ear from a hi hat in my ear. Yeah, man, what a killer.
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  What a killer time. And just like all the things
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  coming together, you have, you know, all this, these huge
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  tours. I still see AF all over the
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  world. I see shirts everywhere I go,
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  even at death metal shows. It's like one of the bands that
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  people can agree on, which is always makes me happy that it's
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  a band that brings people together and like different
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  people can be like, I like that band and I like that band, you
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  know, And after all these years, it's got to be very gratifying.
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  A lot of you guys pay it forward like every night at your shows
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  in terms of the history of punk. And I know you've been covering
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  Ramones lately live, which is fun, and you did Riot Fest which
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  was amazing and you know, but I wonder, do you notice other
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  bands like paying tribute to you also?
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  Yeah, of course. Of course.
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  You know, like, you know, and we tour a lot with a lot of younger
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  bands and a bunch of different bands.
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  Everybody wants to hear stories of the old days, the good old
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  days. Yeah, they were good old days.
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  There were different days. But, you know, we're excited
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  we're going to row with these bands too, because not only are
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  they influenced by us and they love us, whatever, we're also
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  being influenced by them. And one thing that's that's
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  great about it's kind of like when I, when we do that Ramones
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  cover, like I always talk about how influential the Ramones were
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  to us and made us believe that we too could be a band.
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  And it's important. You know, there's a lot of, like
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  I say, a lot of newer bands are doing a phenomenal nowadays,
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  like for example, your Knock Loose or your Turnstile.
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  I mean, they just took an interpretation of what we were
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  kind of doing and made it their own, made it their own style,
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  their own attempt. But these are bands that always
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  respected what we came up with, you know, and it's cool to see
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  stuff like that move. And it's in.
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  And I like things that, you know, you got to pass a torch.
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  You got to let it move on. And it was the whole intention
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  of it was not to just keep it for myself.
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  I hide in a closet with him. Like, no, you can't have.
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  It doesn't make any sense, you know?
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  So I'm just grateful for these bands are continuing to doing
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  with their own interpretation of something that we felt so strong
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  about. And they're doing it and it's
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  great. And we're still invited to their
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  parties, their times, because we've always been very humble
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  and very acceptance of that, you know, and it feels great.
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  I agree with that. You've always been one of the
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  most approachable people ever, like in terms of just going up
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  and saying hey and give you a pound and and chop it up with
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  you and Vinny. I tell all my friends I wish
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  Vinny was my dad. Like my parents are from the
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  Lower East Side originally, but like, you know, obviously way
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  before y'all. But you know, I, I feel like
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  that old school New York thing is a little bit those
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  personalities, those, those corner stores, they're gone.
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  You know, I was down in the neighborhood a couple of years
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  back and I was like, oh, here's like 123 Evan.
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  You see where my dad grew up and the building is still there.
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  It's still an apartment building.
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  And the other places are gone, you know, somewhat, which is OK
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  because that's, you know, cities.
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  That's what happens in cities. You know, it's kind of fun to me
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  that, you know, your band has always been, you know, just that
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  cool. And I do wonder, you know, I'm
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  thrilled for knock loose. They played like direct to
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  Slayer a couple weeks back. It slayers one off headline show
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  this year and wild, you know, wild times to see bands getting
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  like Turnstile get nominated for Grammys and scowl and turnstile
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  end up in like, you know, Taco Bell commercials and people get
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  mad. They're like, well, that's not
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  what we started hardcore for. So my hope is that people, you
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  know, like there's an industry thing.
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  What is a measure of success? You've been in the game fighting
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  a long time. Just, you know, scrapping it out
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  and making a living. But it's hard.
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  And like, if opportunities come along and it's the thing I I
• 18:16
  don't, I don't know anyone who would actually turn down an
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  opportunity to have their music in a television commercial for
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  15. But you know what?
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  It's it's, it's, it's not something new.
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  And the Clash were doing this back then when the Clash was a
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  punk band and, and, and you know, the, the transplants did
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  all kinds of bands. You know, it's, it's not the
• 18:34
  band's fault. For example, the whole, the
• 18:37
  whole explosion in the 90s with like Offspring, Green Day,
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  Rancid, you know, all the bands. It's not their fault that you're
• 18:45
  also in radio or the people took it and they loved it, right.
• 18:49
  And as long as these bands stay true to themselves and continue
• 18:52
  doing what they love doing, what's wrong with it?
• 18:54
  I'd rather put on the radio and listen to all these bands and
• 18:57
  have to crap they play on the radio, you know?
• 18:59
  I mean, yeah, if I'm watching TV and and a song of a band that I
• 19:03
  like pops up, yeah, that's awesome.
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  You know, they're staying true to what they believe.
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  And there's nothing wrong with success.
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  You know, there really isn't. Like I say, as long as you stay
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  true to your belief, one minute you start like, flowing off, it
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  comes to, you know, questionable, whatever.
• 19:17
  But a lot of these bands stay, stay as they believe, and
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  they're good people. I, you know, I see them all.
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  I, I took my daughter to go see Knock loose with Slipknot.
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  It was great. You know, these, these are bands
• 19:29
  that that were inspired by us and they're very respectful and
• 19:32
  feels great to see bands move on, moving in in great
• 19:36
  directions. You know, and, and like I say,
• 19:39
  like, I don't understand. There's always going to be
• 19:41
  somebody say something about something.
• 19:42
  It's nothing new. A lot of it is jealousy, a lot
• 19:45
  of it, you know, you know, everybody's got, everybody's got
• 19:48
  a voice now. We've got the Internet, you
• 19:50
  know. But you know, I, I say, you
• 19:53
  know, I'm very grateful of these bands voicing and doing what
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  something we always were so much of doing and bring getting out
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  to the masses. It's cool.
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  Super cool and, and I'm proud for all their successes and
• 20:06
  there's room for everybody, man. It's not like if I, if you
• 20:09
  succeed, I fail. I I need people to break out of
• 20:13
  that thing and break out of their little bubbles.
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  And just cuz you have an opinion doesn't mean the whole world
• 20:17
  needs to know it. You can just tell it to your
• 20:19
  friends and just keep it to yourself.
• 20:23
  Just for a last thing, man. And again, just this has been
• 20:25
  amazing for me. Thank you.
• 20:27
  And and shout out to rating Phoenix and C ^2 and everybody.
• 20:31
  I always end these interviews with a wild card question.
• 20:34
  And so the one I have for you is, what is your favorite band
• 20:37
  that you wish you could have either been in or or made the
• 20:41
  music they made? Is there another band that's
• 20:43
  like on your level that you love as a fan, that you wish you
• 20:46
  well? I wish I made that album.
• 20:48
  I wish I made that song. That's a that's a weird
• 20:51
  question. I mean, to me they're.
• 20:53
  All weird questions man. To me, music and art is pretty
• 20:56
  much an intermediation of of the bands themselves, and they could
• 21:01
  only be that band because of that, those reasons.
• 21:04
  Like, for example, I've always said Agnostic Front would have
• 21:06
  never sounded like Agnostic Front if we lived in LA or, or
• 21:09
  in Virginia or anywhere else. We're a product of our
• 21:12
  environment. So for me to be like, oh, I wish
• 21:14
  I did that record. I wouldn't have been a product
• 21:16
  of that environment. So I mean, I, you know, as a New
• 21:19
  Yorker, you know, there's a lot of great New York bands, but
• 21:23
  I'm, I'm grateful that I did Victim of pain.
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  But like, you know, like, I don't know, man.
• 21:28
  You know, like there's a lot of bands that inspired me.
• 21:33
  Misfits. OK, I wish I was the Misfits.
• 21:37
  So all of you want to go right there because I love the
• 21:39
  Misfits. They were very inspirational for
• 21:40
  me. But I'm glad they were the
• 21:43
  Misfits and they did what they did because I got to enjoy them.
• 21:46
  You had the great curly hair. I think you could have pulled
• 21:48
  off the devil lock back in 85 or 83.
• 21:53
  You could have. Did it ever lock?
• 21:54
  No devil lock anymore? No.
• 21:55
  It's the same. I'm here.
• 21:56
  It's nothing, buddy. Roger, man, what an honor and a
• 22:00
  thrill. You've always been supportive of
• 22:02
  what we do. My partner and I and everybody
• 22:05
  and even back with the book and everything, just been, you know,
• 22:08
  a great experience being a fan and then graduating up to being
• 22:12
  a journalist and and getting to do this with you has been really
• 22:15
  a thrill. Thank you man.
• 22:16
  Thank you. Thanks for having me.