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ZICO - Podpah _1023 · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 5: I can't wait to do this here. Welcome to another Podpaw,
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  Speaker 5: first of the week. Let's go, Mítico Jovem. Can I
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  Speaker 2: Please, not just as you should.
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  Speaker 5: I know this is a very acclaimed and very.
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  Speaker 4: Boa.
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  Speaker 6: O que você vai fazer?
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  Speaker 3: Feriado prolongado, hein, irmão? Exatamente.
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  Speaker 6: Aquele feriado que cai no dia perfeito pra você já
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  Speaker 6: emendar uns 3, 4 dias.
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  Speaker 3: Você vai emendar?
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  Speaker 2: O que você acha? Não vou, né? Tem que trabalhar.
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  Speaker 4: Mentira.
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  Speaker 2: Vamos emendar um pouquinho. Um pouquinho só.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, nós é de Deus.
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  Speaker 6: E eu sei que vocês ficam prometendo pra todo mundo
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  Speaker 6: que vai viajar, mas chega no final, não marca com ninguém.
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  Speaker 6: Aquele amigo que você tromba no rolê, ah.
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  Speaker 2: Me marca um churrasco. Nunca marca nada, não viaja, não
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  Speaker 2: rola nada.
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  Speaker 6: Acabou isso aí. Porque a Airbnb chegou pra facilitar a
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  Speaker 6: sua vida. ok, but who's in a hurry to pay
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  Speaker 6: for the hotel, that's why I talked about Airbnb, you
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  Speaker 6: won't pay for the hotel, because the hotel you go
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  Speaker 6: to the hotel has rules, there's time to eat, there's,
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  Speaker 6: for God's sake, there's time to have breakfast in the morning,
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  Speaker 4: Foda.
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  Speaker 2: Muito foda.
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  Speaker 4: I like this.
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  Speaker 3: Home and goal! I heard it there. Home and goal!
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  Speaker 2: How are you, Arthur?
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  Speaker 4: I'm fine. Thanks for putting you on the side to play.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see?
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  Speaker 2: He remembered me, bro.
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  Speaker 3: Did you remember this guy?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 3: But it was.
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  Speaker 4: Did he do anything? No, he didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 3: But he was there. For me, he didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 4: He did a good thing for the team. He gave
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  Speaker 4: a pass. What kind of game are you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: He gave a good pass. And then what happened? He
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  Speaker 4: came in, he was a little bit fuller, right? He
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  Speaker 4: was fuller and stuff. And then there was a.
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  Speaker 4: There was a former player there who was suffocating on
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  Speaker 4: the other side, and when he saw that ocean shooter there.
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  Speaker 2: He said, I'm going to the other side.
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  Speaker 4: Then I told him, I think it's better to go
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  Speaker 4: to the left side so you don't have to run
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  Speaker 4: after this one. I swear.
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  Speaker 6: Mítico, to contextualize for the audience who doesn't know, we
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  Speaker 6: participated in a beneficial game of Criança Esperança.
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  Speaker 2: And then I look, who is the coach of my team?
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  Speaker 4: Zico.
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  Speaker 3: In the training, at the time.
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  Speaker 6: Then, obviously, I did the same as everyone consciously has
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  Speaker 6: to do when you're playing only crack.
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  Speaker 2: What do you do? You go to the bench. You
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  Speaker 2: stay on the floor.
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  Speaker 6: You don't say anything, you go to the bench and
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  Speaker 6: just watch. You say, wow, this is already for me,
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  Speaker 6: it's already cinema.
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  Speaker 2: Spectacular.
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  Speaker 6: Then only crack, only attacker in the team, half there, ten.
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  Speaker 6: Then Zico, at one point, says like this. Who does
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  Speaker 6: the side?
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  Speaker 2: I saw that he gave a second of silence.
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  Speaker 1: Me!
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  Speaker 2: Right now.
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  Speaker 6: Right here, it's in the same physical part here, right, okay,
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  Speaker 6: when he saw that when the denilson show saw that
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  Speaker 6: it was me who entered there on the right side,
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  Speaker 6: he's already going to the left point, come over me, brother,
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  Speaker 6: which is soft, right, then Zico gave three minutes, he said,
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  Speaker 6: come son, you've already done it, I'm lying, I'm lying,
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  Speaker 6: I made the pass there, he thanked me, what is it, Zico,
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  Speaker 6: thank you very much for being here with us, sharing
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  Speaker 6: a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit of your time, so we can know a little
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  Speaker 4: more about your story.
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  Speaker 2: And what an honor, ours.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to start.
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  Speaker 6: From the beginning, just like we do with everyone. Did
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  Speaker 6: you always dream of being a soccer player? How was Ziquinho?
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  Speaker 2: Pequeno Arthur.
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  Speaker 4: Arthurzinho. É lógico que eu comecei a pensar nisso, porque
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  Speaker 4: na minha família tive três profissionais, né? O Antunes, o
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  Speaker 4: Nando e o Edu. Então, é lógico que você começa
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  Speaker 4: a ter destaque nas peladas de rua, né? Passa a
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  Speaker 4: ser o primeiro a ser escolhido, todos os times que
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  Speaker 4: você joga, você começa a imaginar, tem alguma coisa diferente, né?
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  Speaker 2: E você já era.
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  Speaker 6: Do you feel that your talent was born from nothing?
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  Speaker 6: You didn't see anyone, you didn't try to replicate anything,
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  Speaker 6: was it born from nothing?
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  Speaker 4: It was born from nothing. After I started to think
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  Speaker 4: about it, and I had the opportunity to be taken
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  Speaker 4: to Flamengo when I was 14 years old, then I
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  Speaker 4: started to think about it, to look at what I
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  Speaker 4: could do to improve myself. My two brothers were always
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  Speaker 4: my reference. What was the difference.
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  Speaker 3: Between you and them?
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  Speaker 5: With six years old, you'd already get everyone confused.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, not six years old. No, don't bring up
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  Speaker 4: that story. Who says that? You're lying. I was lying,
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  Speaker 4: I was lying.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when I.
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  Speaker 4: Was two years old. These stories are very... The first
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  Speaker 4: word I said was soccer.
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  Speaker 5: But, for example, after father and mother, the first word
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  Speaker 5: my parents.
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  Speaker 4: Said What I said was Dida, who was Flamengo's idol
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  Speaker 4: at that time, in the 50s. And they always say that,
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  Speaker 4: Dida was Flamengo's great idol.
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  Speaker 6: So do you feel like you were predestined to play
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  Speaker 6: for Flamengo? Because a good carioca can end up going
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  Speaker 6: to Vasco, to Fluminense.
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  Speaker 4: No, I had gone, my two brothers played in America,
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  Speaker 4: and I went a lot to the trainings there to
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  Speaker 4: watch them. And then, when I got to that age,
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  Speaker 4: my brother told me that he had arranged everything with
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  Speaker 4: the director of América, and I went and played for
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  Speaker 4: the school of América, Infantil, at the time, and I
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  Speaker 4: played a game. The week I was going to start
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  Speaker 4: training at América, Celso Garcia, who was a radio host
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  Speaker 4: for Rádio Globo, he saw me play ball at the
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  Speaker 4: gym and was delighted, and then he took me. I
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  Speaker 4: had everything set up for America and I said to
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  Speaker 4: my brother, look, he wants to take me to Flamengo.
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  Speaker 4: You'll excuse me, but I'm Flamengo. Tell the people of America.
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  Speaker 4: And I went to do a test at Flamengo.
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  Speaker 3: And you passed right away, right?
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  Speaker 4: I passed. On the first day it was complicated. Why, Zico?
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  Speaker 4: Because the guy took me on the wrong day. He
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  Speaker 4: took me on the day of Juvenil, when I was
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  Speaker 4: 17 years old, and I was 14. And he said
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  Speaker 4: I had to train, so the coach put me to train,
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  Speaker 4: but I didn't even get on the ball. Were you
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  Speaker 4: a franzino? A lot of franzinos.
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  Speaker 3: What was your weight?
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  Speaker 4: 30 kilos?
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  Speaker 3: More or less, a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: That would get in the way of football.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't be able to play with your body.
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  Speaker 5: I know, but with 14-year-olds it was fine, not with 17.
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  Speaker 4: And then the next day I came back with a 14.
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  Speaker 4: Then it all ended. Friday I scored a lot of goals,
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday I played the first game with the Flamengo team,
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  Speaker 4: I scored two goals and on Monday I was already
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  Speaker 4: registered in the federation. What is this? You already registered? Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I want to know... This forced me, you know? Why?
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  Speaker 4: Because my father was a pain in the ass, right?
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't his order, right? Because your father wanted you
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  Speaker 4: to do what? No, because there was a law that
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  Speaker 4: if you federated, you could only go to another place
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  Speaker 4: after two years. But what did your father want?
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  Speaker 3: My father didn't want.
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  Speaker 4: Me to be committed to anyone. He wanted me to study.
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  Speaker 4: Was there any family incentive for you to play, Zico?
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  Speaker 2: You were younger. From my brothers and my.
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  Speaker 4: Mother, yes. From my father, no. My father was younger.
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  Speaker 4: And when he saw that he was a Flamengo fan,
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  Speaker 4: a Flamenguista fan, then he.
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  Speaker 5: But he didn't understand, he was a goalkeeper, he was
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  Speaker 5: in football, he didn't say.
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  Speaker 4: But the fact that he was a goalkeeper made him
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  Speaker 4: not want his children to be players.
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  Speaker 3: Because he understood the suffering of the players.
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  Speaker 4: No, he suffered, he was... They did a kidnap with
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  Speaker 4: him there. Not the people of football, but he worked
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  Speaker 4: in a bakery, which was his breadwinner, right? And then
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  Speaker 4: he was invited to go to Flamengo, to be Flamengo's goalkeeper.
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  Speaker 4: And his boss, Vasco, said that if he went to
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  Speaker 4: Flamengo he would lose his job. So he preferred to
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  Speaker 4: stay at the job.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the rivalry at this level.
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  Speaker 4: Already, in 1941. Vasco and Flamengo.
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  Speaker 3: Had to continue in this bakery. He continued in the
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  Speaker 3: bakery and such. And always looking at Flamengo.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: So, son, calm down.
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  Speaker 4: He was the owner of Flamengo in 1944, the number 734.
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  Speaker 4: What is this? So your father.
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  Speaker 2: Was crazy about Flamengo.
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  Speaker 4: My father was crazy about Flamengo. My father, the first
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  Speaker 4: game he watched was Flamengo vs. America. America won 4-1.
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  Speaker 4: He liked Flamengo's jersey. And everything was Flamengo at home,
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  Speaker 4: the bird had to be black and red, the dog
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  Speaker 4: was Mengo, Menguinho, Mengão, it was all like that.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: But did it take long for him to accept, then,
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: in fact, from 14 until what age did he.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Say, ah, it's good. No, at 14 he already left,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: because my brothers also had already opened the way, then
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: it was easier for me, the gate was already wide.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: And you, I was curious too, at the same time
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: you were in school, how was it to be in school?
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Ah, it was fine, it was good. It was good? Yeah,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: the important thing was to get above 5, because then
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: you passed. If you only had 10, 10, 10, and
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: at the end of the year you have to do
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: a test, then you get 5,2, 5,2, and pass.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: But you were quiet, messy? I was quiet.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Really? I was quiet, not messy. I've never been a mess.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: My God, me studying with 15 years of age, being
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: in Flamengo, I would already be.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I would already be very bad.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Put the bag, right? Get into the past.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: That's why we're not the Zico, right, brother?
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: But how did your head end up in Flamengo? You
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: were still having to go to school there.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: It was bad, because I lived... Let's do it here,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: what was it? Let's go.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Here, look.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: This here is.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Quintino, my school here is Flamengo, so here today there's
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: a Rebouças tournament, you know Rio, right?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: There's Rebouças, in the past there wasn't, so I had
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: to go back there by the beach, do it here,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: get here, train. It was very far. And I would
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: come back here to work out to get stronger. Wow!
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: 7 o'clock, then 9.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: O'clock I would leave here and go back to Quintino.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I would get home at 11 o'clock at night.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Every day, with 14, 15 years old?
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: No, 3 days, no, with 16, 17. 3 days a week,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: to get stronger.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Zico, what people say, even a little before your time,
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: talking about Pelé, that Pelé was what he was because
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: he was already a very high level athlete, for that
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: time he was already very good physically there from the
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: technique right Pelé doesn't argue and we see there in
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: your life you get to Flamengo 71 and you keep
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: getting ready until 74, right, like gaining strength and such,
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: do you feel that this put you in front of
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: other people too because.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Normally it was 70 to 71 that I did this
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: job so then 71 the juvenile is over I've already
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: gone up. Fleita Soliste put me on the team. But
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I was still Franzino. I still had to develop more.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: But do you feel that this attention they gave to you, saying, Zico,
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: you have to go to the gym, get stronger, was
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: it something that was differential for you?
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: It ended up being. It ended up being to gain
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: confidence from the direction of Flamengo. Ah, I understand. They
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: wanted it and stuff, but... I think that... I could
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: stay with the same biotype further on. That was anticipated,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: this work was to anticipate a little and it gave results,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: it was a good result. Was it suffered?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: How was this preparation at that time? Was it what?
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Did you take Biotonic Factor?
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I used to take Hormone.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Hormone?
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, direct and did super nutrition. Did you train a lot?
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: And a lot of gym training. What the Marombados do today,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: they already did back then. But I had a very
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: fast development. It was two periods of three months. But
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: that period I didn't play, I didn't have a game.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: So I could only dedicate myself to that. Physical preparation.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Physical preparation.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: And it was noticeable, you already realized that from that
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: moment on, soccer evolved.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Exactly. When I got to the first championship of 71,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I was already the artilleryman. And then, when the championship ended,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: the coach called me to play on top.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Man, that's crazy, Mítico.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: But I came back later.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Because at that time, when you become the absolute winner
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: of Flamengo, Flamengo becomes the best team in the country,
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: it was a reality.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: But before that, it wasn't that reality.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Flamengo wasn't the best team in the country. No, Flamengo was...
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: In the 60s, it was bad. Flamengo won in 1963.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Then he only came to win a title in 72.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: So what was the pressure of a team of as
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: much mass as Flamengo and that it had been a
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: long time that, in quotes, didn't win?
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we didn't suffer this pressure, you know? It
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: didn't reach the players? No, it didn't reach because we,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: for example, in 72, 73, we were two young champions.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: And then the whole team went up to 74. In 74,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: we were Rio champions. So when we played the preliminaries,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: people would come to see our team. Which teams were
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: at the top in that time? In the 70s, it
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: was Fluminense and Vasco.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: In the 60s, it was Botafogo. Botafogo dominated.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: 61, 62, it was Carrincha, Didi, Amarildo, Nilton Santos. Then
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: in 67, 68 came Jairzinho, came Paulo César, came Gerson,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Leônidas and such, Roberto. They were two champions too.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And what were you going to say about.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Your youth team? Cantarelli, Rodinelli, Jaime, Júnior. Geraldo.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Is that the base?
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's the base. Nunes came to train with us. Julinho.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: You were talking.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: To each other, saying, guys, we're making a plan, we're
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: going to be great, we're going to be champions.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: We didn't waste the opportunity.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: We have a good generation, let's keep this going. Because
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: at that time, everyone wanted to stay in their own team.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: And we were having an opportunity to be in Flamengo.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: It was a generation that won well. And we weren't
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: the favorites of Juvenil, no. You weren't? No, it was Fluminense,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: which was the team, which was the base of the
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Olympic team.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: And how did the media treat you there.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: At the beginning? Ah, it was quiet. When we went up,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: we won right away, then it was good. Quiet. But
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: the media today says that there is Flapress, but at
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: the time it was Botafogo Press. Yeah?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Nobody says that. Yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: The great journalists were all Botafoguenses.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And they only spoke well of Botafogo.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Botafogo was that. Flamengo also stayed a long time without
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: winning anything. Until you get there. Flamengo won the championship
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: of 72 only. The Carioca. That made a change. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: coincidentally brought Zagallo, the technical commission of Botafogo, who were
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: the winners. And the players, six Botafogo players. And he
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: was the champion in 1972. So, I mean, Botafogo started
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: to fall and Flamengo got up.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: What's the difference between Zagallo?
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Because, like, of five titles in the Brazilian team, he
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: was present in four.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: No, he has a very great capacity and a style
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: of play that, you know.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: He always knew how to use the human material that
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: he has.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: He liked to play with the big guys, right? That's right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: He didn't have any young players with him. Only the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: young players from the beginning of his career. The Botafogo
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: team was young, then he won, then he went with
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: that team. But he took the team, at least six
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: players that were champions with him, to Flamengo.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: That made the difference, right?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: That made the difference.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Man, Zico, you're addicted to doing things for the first time, right? Because, like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: first Brazilian of Flamengo, the first Libertadores, and until then the.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Only World Cup. How did you go.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Tell us about the first Brazilian there, to start from
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: the beginning, right?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: How was it for you when you realized.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: That I'm not that 14-year-old anymore, I'm walking to be
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: national champion with Flamengo, something that hasn't happened in a
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: long time, my God, what's going to happen?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that moment?
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I remember, of course, because that was precisely the strength
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: of that generation, because we won the 1978 championship against Vasco,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the goal of Rondinelli, and in 1979 we won 5
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: rounds in a row, and we were three champions. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: then we hit the door in 1979 with Palmeiras. We
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: took a 4-4 draw in Maracanã, in the Brazilian quarter-finals.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Why did you take that draw? Were you too confident
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: or was Palmeiras better? No, no, no. Palmeiras scored the
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: last two.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Goals with 44, 45 minutes. That stifling we want to tie,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: then we took it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Two counterattacks. And then came the 80. We already had
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: a base. And when we started the championship well, now
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: it's not the time to waste. So now it's time
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: to win this Brazilian, man.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: But this title, do you feel that it was, with
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: all due respect to the world, win with one foot
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: on the back or was it very difficult?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: No, no, it was difficult. That team there, man. Final.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Final against Atlético Mineiro, man.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Reinaldo.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Reinaldo, Cerezo, Éder. Man, what a generation, man. Paulo Isidoro
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: was a great team, right? And inside the field, Zico?
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Because today we see that it's caught a lot, but
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: people say that, man, in the past there weren't so
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: many cameras.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: How was it? Did you really catch the fish?
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I did, I did. Everything that was right. Man, you
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: had to be very smart in a good way to
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: play the ball. Yeah, the guys would walk down the
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: hill and everything. They would step on it. You should
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: have suffered a lot with that. Because you are the best.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: No, but the guys respected me a little, right?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because they knew that since I was very targeted
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: and such, You get to a point where the televisions
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: focus too much on you, the reporters and such, so
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: if the guy does something and you don't catch him,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: even if he doesn't have a VAR, the people know.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: It's better to leave Zico there.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: A little bit.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: It's better to leave him in peace, leave him quiet there.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: But it didn't make me feel better, right? No, right?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And what about you? Didn't you get sick too?
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: I didn't know how to do that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: No? It was just playing? Yeah, I didn't know.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Every time I tried to do something, I did shit.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I got hurt.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: You got hurt, you didn't know how to hit right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was when I was expelled, right? Because of that,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I didn't know how to revide, I didn't know. It
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: wasn't my style. It wasn't your forte. No, but there
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: were times when it was.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: How did you deal with fame?
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: Because you were walking to be champion, I imagine that
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: people were very focused on you, you had already beaten
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: some titles on the crossbar.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: How did this happen in your life? Because I imagine
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you just wanted to play football.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was easy because of my brothers. Really?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: My brothers had a high, they had fame, they had...
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: And then, when you start to fall... If you pass here,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: the guy wants to have a friend, he goes to
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: the other side, crosses the street, because.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Did this happen to you?
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, it happened, it happened. You go in a good moment,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: soon you fall a little, the guys... I don't even
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: know what were the.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Main advice of your brothers, at that time, they told you, Zico,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: go this way, Zico, if this happens, do this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: What were the advice? It was in that sense, right?
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Not to let yourself... I had an older brother that
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: you did... Six goals, five passes, he complained because you
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: didn't score a goal at the time. I said, for
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: God's sake, I didn't see it, but you have to
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: see everything. He didn't let success go to his head,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: because he knew what could happen in the future. So,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: if I didn't have these two brothers, the third one,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: not so much that the third one spent more time
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: away from Brazil, So I lived more with Edu and Antunes.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And then they held me. Antunes held me more. He
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: pulled my ears. But you didn't look like a rebel, right? No, no, no.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: But I didn't let myself get excited.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: But there wasn't a time when you got excited and said, ah,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I'm the.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Owner of Rio de Janeiro.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: No, no, no. There wasn't, there wasn't. I wasn't trained
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: for that. Seriously?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: There wasn't a time when you looked in the mirror
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and said, the father is blurry.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: No.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: No, I... You know, these guys play a lot. Zico,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: we see you.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: There's always your nakedness at the end of the year.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: We stop to see you play and look at.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Your technical gesture. It's still very charming, man.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: So I keep thinking about the people who were privileged
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: to see you playing in that Maracanã that, I don't know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: used to fit 200,000 people.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: But there won't be.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: More of that. There won't be more. There won't be.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And I also wanted to know about Libertadores. How was it?
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: How was it?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: This one was complicated.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: This one had everything. It had.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I imagine... Everything you can imagine, it had. I imagine...
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Like what, Zico?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Ah... Dent.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Are you crazy? So there was a lot going on. Yes,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: there was a lot going on.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: So at that time, Libertadores was already more chaotic.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Libertadores was terrible, man. Who were the teams there? They
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: would throw stones, they would put cops around, they would
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: release dogs for you. The cops? The local cops. After all,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: against Cobreloa, the guy would throw stones in his hand.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: They broke Adilho's, Alico's, Júnior' s, Caído' s... Who.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Were the worst teams? That one was the worst. Cobreloa
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: was the worst.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: And it was a good team. A team with good players.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: But they went to Valenti's side thinking they had three players,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: instead of only two. I see. So.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: But wasn't that something that gave Flamengo a boost?
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: It was, but it gave them a good conscience. I
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: was already a captain at that time. We'll only win
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: if we play the ball, because we're much better than them.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: If we get in their way, we're screwed. We'll lose.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: We'll lose. And at that time, Libertadores.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Already had that weight, that importance. It was better than
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: three at that time, right?
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: It was. There was a third one. If you.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: You didn't need to win. There was no goal difference.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: You won by five, but you lost by one to zero.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: There was a third game.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: And it was always the main championship?
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: No, no. The main championship was the Carioca.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: It was the regional.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Listen to Zico talk, please.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: But it was the regional, it was the main.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Then, in 1971, the national championship started. Then it started
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: to give a weight... It's different.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But does it get heavy after Flamengo wins?
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: No, no. No.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: No. What started to give more weight to Libertadores is
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: that the Brazilian champion was going to compete against Libertadores,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: you know? So that's what started to give more weight. Like,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: this championship only plays the best.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, only the champions play.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Today everyone plays, right? You take eighth place and play
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: for the Libertadores. Then you play a Super Cup against
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: the South American champion, who can be the 15th. And
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: this is happening, right? Exactly, what's the advantage? If you win,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: you won from that team there, 15th. But you're the
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Libertadores champion, but you have to play a game that
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: has Dindinha Bessa, right? That's right.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Sometimes it ends up spoiling everything.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: And then they want to devalue this kind of competition,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: devalue what was the past. You played to win a
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Guanabara Cup, to win a São Paulo Cup here. And
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Rio São Paulo. It was hard, I always played against
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: the best. And I played 10 times, 11 times.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: So at that time you won the Libertadores, so let's
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: think about it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: But it was only.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: The champions, man. It was only the champions. That's why
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: it started to be worth playing. Because you played against
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: champions from all countries. And then the competition was more valued.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: So after that, how was it then? It became the
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: focus of the Libertadores.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: It became the focus. The first one who won, I mean,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: who participated in the national team, and who won the Libertadores,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: and who played for the Libertadores, I don't think it
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: was Flamengo, I don't remember. I don't remember if it
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: was Flamengo who was the first in 1981, because the
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Brazilian Championship started in 1971. I don't know, I think
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Cruzeiro went to a final. If I'm not mistaken. And
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: he lost.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the Brazilians who won before Flamengo.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Cruzeiro, I think he won. I don't know.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And the Grêmio.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: The Grêmio with Renato Gaucho, I think it was after, right?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: The Grêmio was after us.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: The ones I remember now, fresh in my memory, is
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: just that it was after.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: That's why I asked. After Flamengo won.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: Because for my generation and for us, the Libertadores became
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: something very targeted after São Paulo won 9-2, 9-3 and 2005.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Then we said, for God's sake, there's.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: A rival here in São Paulo that has three and
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: we don't have any. So it was like, ah, there
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: are three Libertadores.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I know that at the time of Cruzeiro, I think
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: it was before 71 that Cruzeiro won. Because he played
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the World Cup final against Bayern. And Raul already played.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: And they lost the World Cup to Bayern.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: How old were they?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I think... 76.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: 76.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And they won 76 and 97.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: In Libertadores? Yes.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: So, Libertadores 76 was already... It was worth it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: It was worth it, it represented the national championship.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: And how was it in your heads to go to
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: the World Cup? Was it something even more important or not?
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: At that time. It was already. The World Cup was
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: already important. And only Santos had it. Two. And who
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: had it? Who was it? Did you say that? Only
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Santos de Pelé?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Of course you said that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know, we couldn't waste that opportunity. It's very difficult.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Do you know that there was a story of Raul
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: with Carpegiani? Carpegiani is the coach, Paulo Cesar Carpegiani. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: we won, champion, we had a spectacular first half, 3x0,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: we decided there. The second half was like, hold it here,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: hold it there, don't risk anything. Calm down. Calm down,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: they were going to go on vacation, it was the
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: last game of the year. Then we arrived at the
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: hotel and we were having lunch, and Carpegiani was there, half-jururu,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: and Raul said, Paulo, why are you like this, man?
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: And he said, damn, man, our team played a bad
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: second half, right? Look at the level of diligence. Then
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Raul said, but they're not champions, man. It was 3-0.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I said, but I would like it to be better there.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Then Raul turned to him and said, Paulo, try to
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: enjoy this day, because.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: You can never come back here again.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: And he never came back. But he understood. He understood.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: He was happy, he understood. But there's a very crazy
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: statement from Liverpool's coach, who says, I've never seen.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: A the presentation of a team like this and a
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: football of this play and it seemed that you danced
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: on the field like you were very above Liverpool is
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: an unimaginable thing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Today it's true today it's more complicated right balance some
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Brazilian teams balance but with that ease I don't think there.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Will be a time when you look at the field
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and say like this lie that you will not win.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: No, no, we just told the guys here, don't come
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: because otherwise they'll take a march. Stay there.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: But before the game, it always happens, especially in the
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: World Cups, the players were looking at you.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's not it. What happened was the following.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: What they do today on the field, they gather everyone,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: don't they, before the game starts, everyone and such. We
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: did this before entering the field. at the entrance, near
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: the locker room. And they were looking at that and
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: were surprised, because maybe they had never done that before.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: So someone there said, hey, let's get these guys, they're
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: enjoying us. It was just another little thing to... In
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: the game, right? In the game, but they didn't think
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: that way. They were wondering, when we arrived, We came there, clapping,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: with a flag. With a smile on our faces. Yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: with a smile on our faces.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: The guys were like... But what did he say?
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Was it easy, then?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Very easy.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: At first, it was very easy. Wow, I was so
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: sure of what he said.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Very easy. They even made music with that, right?
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: It's true, right?
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: They put the guys on the wheel there. They didn't
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: change the color of the ball. What is that?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Man, how cool to be able to say that, right?
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: It was a lot. No, and there's a guy here
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the field. Then the coach asked
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: him to score the goal. And then he went to
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: the United States, he was a teacher there, and he
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: taught and put the training on how to dribble. Step
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: by step, dribbling and stuff like that. And then he
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: saw that we were there and stuff, then he said
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: like this, do you want the goal there and stuff,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: because I'm looking for him until today. Is this goal
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: out there?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Is this guy?
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: And the coach said that it looked like you were dancing.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: It was because, man, it seems that they felt the
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Brazilian softness there, it was an ease, it was a
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: lot of dribbling.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe he wasn't used to playing against South Americans. against Brazilians,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: because they already knew the Brazilian national team. I had
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: already played against the English national team. So they already knew.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: What was the difference between Brazilian football, especially.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: At that time? It was the technical quality in the
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: first place, not the physical.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Was it really a happier football?
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: It was a happy football, but it was organized. It
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: wasn't that thing where you played only the technique, dribbling.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: We had a tactical position, we had an important tactical
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: positioning that we trained a lot. There's a saying that says.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: That in the old days you only played anyone, it
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: was easy. We had a.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: That Pelé, at the time of Pelé, I would score
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: a thousand goals.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I would score two thousand. Yes, you would.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: You would. We had a tactical plan that was called
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: after Teia de Aranha, at the time of Cláudio Coutinho,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: of field movement, that we played very compact. So we
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: had to make a quadrilateral in the attack, in the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: midfield and in the defense. So the whole team, the ten,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: stayed in that space. You can see that when Flamengo
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: was attacked, we... Everyone was there, closed. When there was pressure,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: the defense also came to put pressure. So it was
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: hard to have a lot of space. Raul didn't get
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: the ball very much. Because the ball was hard to
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: get there.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: But the opposing team didn't understand this tactic.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: The whole team was going, right? Exactly. This marking, pressure, right?
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: Zico, one thing that I grew up watching football and
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: I always saw Junior on the broadcasts, right?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: And people always complimented him a lot. Master Junior, Junior...
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: And I said, one day if I have the opportunity
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to talk to Zico or Junior, I want to ask
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: from one to the other.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Because I want to understand the importance of Zico to
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: Junior and Junior to Zico. What is the importance of Junior, man?
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: Because I see him talk a lot and unfortunately I
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: couldn't see him play. What was the importance of Junior
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: on that team?
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Several, right? Starting with his technique. He had a very
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: pure technique. And his true position was always midfield. That's
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: why he later became a master. But in midfield, when
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: he was starting, it was a place with a lot
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: of good people, top players and such. And we had
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: someone who was our coach at the base, and he
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: was the assistant. He told Júnior, look, you.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: I think it's better for you to try to take
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: advantage of a position on the side that is in difficulty.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: And then he went to the right side. And they
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: hurt two. He entered the final straight of the championship.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: In the penultimate game. And he played the first final
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: of the turn, he scored a goal.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: On the side.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: On the side. Then we went to play the finals
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: against América and Vasco. Then against América, he makes another goal.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: And we were champions. And he became the head of
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: the right wing.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: And at that time, did the right wing run so much?
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Not much.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: It didn't need to, but it would advance, because his
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: characteristic was that. Then Flamengo, in 1975, bought Toninho, who
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: was the great right wing, he was from Fluminense. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: then Júnior went to the left wing. And we made
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: a scheme that we... Júnior was almost a midfielder. On
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: the side. At the time, Coutinho put him here, so
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: you have him, Moser, and Andrade, marking. Then Júnior would attack,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Moser would do the side, and Andrade would do the zag.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Everything combined. Everything combined and trained. Then, when Júnior came back,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: he would come for Andrade here. So Júnior could go
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: at will, because he had this coverage here, from Moser, right?
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: And he was very important in the attack, just like Leandro.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Leandro is the same thing.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: But I think that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Because there are juniors on the sides, we saw Marcelo,
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: we saw Roberto Carlos, because I think that in the
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: past the defense line.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Was just to score.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: No doubt, it was just to score.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And he kind of reinvented it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: The first function of the side is to score. You
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: should know that, right? Your side, right? Yeah, your side.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: So.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Today I'm thinner.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Today it would be better.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Today you would run. Today it would be better.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Today you would run. Now, what happens is this. The
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: side that reached the bottom line, the guy had a
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: very big advantage, but he had to be prepared. Because
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: it's not easy to do that. Was it indirect?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Was it indirect, that one? No, it's direct.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: You already said that I was.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Running after the loss, brother. You see how good it was?
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Too good.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: You should have said more.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: The junior, after he came back from Italy, for example,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: when he went to Italy, he went to the midfield.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: And then he destroyed it there. And then he became
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: a master. When he came back to Flamengo, he already
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: came back. Yes, as a master. And he was the
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Brazilian champion.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: But did you see this process in other teams, giving
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: this change in the sides?
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Totally. Cafu, man.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Cafu, same thing.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: São Paulo, Palmeiras.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: The teams were thinking, man, in the side you can
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: do more.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Functions, more things. Exactly. Normally, the sides play well in
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the midfield. They play well because they have that technique. Zico,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: you talked about Italy when Junior was there.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: And you also went to Italy in 1983 for Udinese.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: And it was crazy, your trip there.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: It almost didn't work out.
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: I want to know, there are two questions in one.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Why maybe, why Udinese and not, I don't know, a Roma,
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: a Juventus?
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: It's because your head is working today, right? It's working
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: with the law of today. Then you think you can choose, right?
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Back then it was the law of the pass. And
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: if Flamengo wanted, they wouldn't sell.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: So how was Udinese?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You wanted to leave?
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: No. First of all, I didn't want to leave. That
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: was the question I was going to ask. And what happened?
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: There was a pass law that you, to win a
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: free pass, you had to have 10 years of club
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: contract plus 32 years of age.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: So when I completed 10 years of club contract, I
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: was 30 years old. And then when I went to
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: renew my contract, the president... He saw that if I renewed.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: It for two years... He.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Would have lost some money. I would have reached 32 free.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: And then I would have lost... It makes me laugh.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: And you imagine me already... I had already won all
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: the titles with Flamengo and such. Then what happens? I
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: prepared everything to be able to stay. I even got
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: a sponsor for this, to stay in the club. The
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: difference was what? The money that I was going to
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: receive in the transaction is the only thing that I
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: was going to lose. Because in the law, if you
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: go sold, you have the right to 15% of what
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: the club received. The club received 1 million, 15% is yours.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: It was the law of that time. And then this happens.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I opened my hands and... The money I was going
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: to receive from the gloves of Udinese, in my hand,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: gloves were advanced money, as we called it. I managed
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: to get paid in the 24 months of the two years.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: And then it was only yours? Then only mine. But
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Flamengo said no, that the sponsor that I arranged this
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: division was already included in the proposal that Flamengo made me.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: And he took.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: The club's council is presidential, but there's a council that
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: decides these things. And the council, when they saw that
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: they weren't going to receive anything two years later, they said,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: sell it right away. They were in favor too. How
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: long did it take for this process of sell, don't sell,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: get sponsorship?
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: It took longer because in Italy they also didn't want....
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: They didn't want you to be Portinelli. They wanted to block...
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Because of the value, right? Because of the value, they
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: wanted to block the transaction. Then came the president of
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: the Italian Olympic Committee and such. And then there was
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: a case of Cerezo going to Rome, as they opened
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: their legs to Rome, and then they managed to leave.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: It took about two months.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: It was a great stress.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Is it against Juventus that Udinese never had a win?
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Contra Roma.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Contra Roma, é isso?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Isso.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: Você chega e ganha da Roma. Faz um gol de bicicleta... Não,
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: também tu tá exagerando.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Na Juventus. Não fez um gol lá contra a Juventus,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: um gol de bicicleta, não?
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Contra o Milan.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Contra o Milan.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Desculpa, só errei o time. Só errei o time. Mas
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: foi de bicicleta. É, porque preto e vermelho, você falou
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: preto e branco.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: É verdade.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Mas eu quero saber, assim, você sempre foi um cara
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: de que chega num lugar.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Mas nesse.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Jogo da Roma, tu sabe quem era que tava me marcando? Quem?
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Era o... the coach of the national team today. Lies. Antelotti? Yes,
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: he scored 86 minutes. He gave me a chance in
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: 87 and I scored.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: And how was he? He was scoring well.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: He was scoring well. Did he play? He played. He played.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: He was a very good coach. He wasn't good at hitting.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: He had a good vision of the game. A great pass.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I want to know your adaptation. You arrived in Italy.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: How were the first few weeks?
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: It was a goal over a goal.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: In soccer, ok, but what about life?
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Great, great, great food, wonderful, the language is good, taking
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: some drinks from time to time, learning.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: You're also a son of God, right?
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Of course, and Portuguese, right?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: The food is wonderful.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Wonderful, wonderful.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: The language, have you learned it?
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: I'm a grandson of an Italian.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: So I learned it easy.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: I'm also a grandson of an Italian. I was very calm.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: What adaptation? What adaptation? At 30 years old, you're going
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: to adapt to what? It's easy. If I was 17, 18,
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: which is what people leave today, right? Then you can
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: have some difficulty. Now, at my age, it was what
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: people went there, it was more or less... 27, 28, 30.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: So you feel that your trip to Italy was an
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: important chapter. It was, a lot, a lot, a lot,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: and a great learning, right? Another kind of soccer. Every Sunday,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: a guy with a cangote on his mouth here, right?
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Was it more caught than in Brazil?
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: No, marking. Marking, man to man.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Brazil was more by zone at that time.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: They used to call me Zé Bundinha because the guys
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: would stick to me. Zé Bundinha.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Fuck, dude.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Get out of here.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I saw Tudinho Neymar talk about it.
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: It was a long time ago. It was the last
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: split of the Kings League game. He said, put your
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: ass on him.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Don't let him pass. Not there.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: It was Neymar. It was recorded. It wasn't me.
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: Zico, I think that in the meantime Flamengo realized that
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: It was a bad deal for you to go to Italy,
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: to Flamengo, and you call back. Were you resistant to
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: go back or did you miss it?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: I wanted to stop at Flamengo. I wanted to stop,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: but I had to restart everything, right? What is a restart?
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: As much as you have done something, when you come back...
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: It's that son who leaves home.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: And wants to go back.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, he wants to go back and such.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: And his room is no longer there.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. You have to be careful and such. So,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: of course, I prepared myself a lot to be able
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: to deliver well, right? Again, right? To not keep living
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: from the past, right? That's what I was going to say, right?
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: To have that pressure. Hey, is Zico the same Zico?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Did you have that distrust of yourself? It always exists, right?
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Change of fans and such. Some stay with that... It
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: was like, he left, if he left it was because...
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: It was better than leaving. Exactly.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: But when you come back, you come back being the
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: savior of the country?
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: No.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: The fans putting all their hopes on you?
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: No, no, no. Hoping that I would play well and such.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: And I was unhappy, right in the second game of
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: the Carioca Championship, I played Augusta, to break my knee. No, no, no.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: So you got hit, you got hit.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, I got hit. It was complicated.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Do you get hurt by these things, Zico?
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: I do, I do. It's a big sadness, because it
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: was a... The worst moment of my life was that one,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: because of the uncertainty you'll have if you go.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't an accident, right? It was something they
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to cause.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: It was, it was.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: How long did you stay out of the camp during
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: this period?
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Nine months.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: As a child. How was your head at that.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Moment, Zico? The first six months, until I.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Got to the field to train, it was a recovery.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Because it was a surgery that the doctor created, he
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: invented this surgery. There was no surgery for... It was
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: the first surgery he did for soccer players. What is that?
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: He did it for Americans there.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: So he said, it might not work.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: It might not work. I told him that if he
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: gave me 5% chance, I would play again. And then
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: I did... It took 6 months to recover. I took
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: 4 months to put my foot on the ground. What
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: is that? To stretch my leg.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of dedication.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, a lot. And then... Take care of your head.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Take care of your head. 8 hours of bodybuilding per day.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Physiotherapy.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours in the afternoon.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: No, you're kidding. 8? 8.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: 8 hours. Who does this nowadays? Nowadays we don't do
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: even two. The recovery was very, very strong. But it
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: was even exhausting.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: It was exhausting.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: It was exhausting.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Because it was four hours, eight hours.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Of being locked in a room like this one. And
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: you just lifting iron. And then, to recover... I had
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: an atrophy of seven centimeters in my leg. My leg
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: is like if it was split in half. And with that,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: you have to gain muscle. And then you have to
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: balance it so you can go back to training. Measurement,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: every time you did the exercises you had to measure
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: your leg to see how it was, if it was
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: the same size. And the fact that I couldn't stretch
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: my leg while the surgery didn't stay firm.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: In that period, was there a possibility, a thought of yours, like, man,
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: I think I won't be able to come back, I'll
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: come back too different?
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: No, I came back different, because you have to protect,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: finish certain movements, jump, for example, it's over.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: You stopped jumping?
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: I stopped jumping, I couldn't anymore, I couldn't support my
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: whole body on my left leg. And your kick, did
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: it change anything? It changed because of my supporting foot.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: But the ball didn't lose its direction.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: You adapted quickly.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Very quickly.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Zico, it's very crazy for you.
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: To talk about this, because it's very crazy to see
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: some people who talk about soccer and who say, no,
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: the guys back there didn't prepare, the guys.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Back there didn't train well.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: They never climbed the Chinese list.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: And then I see you talking about all this, about
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: all your preparation, about the arrival of Flamengo after the injury.
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: And we have Marcelinho Carioca here, who always says that
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: he saw in Juvenil, like, you hitting 200, 300 fouls
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: a day.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he exaggerates, he lies a little bit. Yeah? Yeah.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: How many was it then?
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: 100? No, about 70. Oh, that's a lot. Let them
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: say it's 200.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Let them.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Say it again, cut it out. He exaggerates.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: He said I'd be training for two hours, no one
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: would be crazy to come two hours to train. I
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: trained there, half an hour after training.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Leave it like that, Zico.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Let the people tell their stories. No, it's not a lie.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: It increased a little.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: It increased a little to value it more.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Marcelinho says that you hit 200 fouls a day.
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: Did you already have this awareness that it was repetition?
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Was it someone who put it in your head or
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: was it a feeling of yours?
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: No, there was a goalkeeper, Renato, who was from Flamengo,
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: a professional. He saw that I was good on the ball.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: He called me to train with him. He was the
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: goalkeeper of the Flamengo national team. I said, Renato, damn it.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: He called me to take a picture. I said, I
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: don't even play in the team. Do you want me
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: to take a picture here? No, it's good for me
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: and such. Then I was alone with him, training.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: It was to help the goalkeeper.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: It was to help the goalkeeper more.
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: At the end of the training, you were going to
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: take this picture.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, I did. Then, after I became a starter in 1974,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Then I started right away, I saw that it was good,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: that I could do it. I scored a foul in
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: the first few matches, in a Flamengo excursion. Then I
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: started training with him. And then... You improved a lot.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I improved a lot.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: There comes a time when it gets easy, you already
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: know where to hit and how to hit.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: And when there was no goalkeeper, there was no barrier,
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: I put the shirts on the corner. And he kept
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: hitting to take it off. Duro had to take it
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: off all the time. Go there and put the shirt.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Back on.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: All the time, right? I like this light honking.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: He took the wave, but he's humble.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Light, light.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: But he's here now saying, no, no, too much, too much.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: And Liverpool, it was easy.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Very good. Zico, how was it at that time, Brazilian
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: national team?
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Was it something that.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Era muito importante estar ou não?
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: It was always very important.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: Because your generation was a generation of midfielders.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: Good ones, huh? So how was your head?
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: I have to perform all the time, I want to
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: score goals, I want to be in the national team.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: My head was the problem at the time of the call.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Because with the letter Z is the last one.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it by positions?
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: It was by alphabetical order. If it was Arthur, he
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: would be one of the first. But Zico was always
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: the first. How was the first call, Zico? The first one.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: The first one I was waiting for.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: On TV, Brandão.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: He had already given interviews. We had won.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: The Palmeiras tournament.
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: There in.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: At the opening match of the State of Serra Dourada,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: and we won the final. Geraldo and I played very well,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: so when he went to the national team, he gave
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: the hint that we were going to be called.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: It's a different weight, a responsibility.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, without a doubt. And then you go, and my
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: debut was against Uruguay, and you see how important these
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: training sessions are. The national team had Nelinho, Rivelino and Marinho.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Only them.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Only them. All of them were missing. And then we
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: played against Uruguay, Nelinho made a missing goal in the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: first half, but he was kicked out. Then Rivelino was
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: kicked out in the second half. The game was 1-1.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Then in the end there was a missing goal, closer,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: and Marinho was shooting from a distance. Then he came,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: all serious, because he was already in the national team.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: Rivellino kicked him out. Yes, Rivellino kicked him out. He
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: was a believer, so I came there with all my strength.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: What did you do to convince him?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I said, from up close, I'll beat him.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: You said it roughly. I said it roughly. Then he
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: came back and I, boom, box. We won the game 2x1. Then,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: in the next game, against Argentina, Rivellino and Nelinho didn't play.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: Then the game was the same thing, the whole foul
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: on the other side. Then, boom, box, we won 2-1 again. Then,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: right acquired. Rivelino, from there, from today, he's the one
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: who's going to hit the ball from the side. When
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: there was a foul there, from a place that.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: You knew you were going to.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: I thought you were going to score a big goal,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: did you already go with a smile on your lips?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Ah, I already.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Tell the truth.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Confidence is all proof, right? It was a big possibility.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: I asked Marcelinho and he said that, depending on where
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: the foul was, he knew it was a goal.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: Yes. Depending on the goalkeeper's position. Yes.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: What was the most beautiful goal you scored? You can
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: share it with us.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: The most beautiful one?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: The most beautiful one.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: The most beautiful one was against Santa Cruz. On the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: opposite side. From here, the ball went to the other side.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: It was the goal that, during the week, Santa Cruz's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: goalkeeper asked him to train. It was when I came
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: back from the injury. There was a defender who was
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: looking at the goalkeeper in the barrier, in the training.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: And then I said, look there, look at the ball,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: look at the ball. Then he was looking at the goalkeeper.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: And the fourth time the guy said it, he said, no,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: I'm going to look at you, because on Sunday there
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: are 100,000 people wanting to see the goal, I want
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: to see it too.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: This one I was waiting for, this one was good.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: But then when you make a goal like that, you said, wow,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: this one was beautiful. This one was amazing, it was.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: The most beautiful. And this question of the shortcomings, Man,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: it was a thing like that, there was a Maracanã,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: the Flamengo game was full, then there was a lack,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: it was that vibration, right? Then he put the ball,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: it was a silence, man. that you didn't hear anything.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: Respecting your moment. I only heard that bling bling from
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: the Globo radio, that there were those signs.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: Then I missed, man. What was on your mind at
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: that moment?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: I'm going to score.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do what I trained.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing I trained, so it's okay.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: There was one time that Reinaldo wanted to miss. He
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: came from America, he missed a lot, right? And only
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: in the hit.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Then I.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: I told him to do the following, when I left
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: the ball, that I wasn't going to hit, the crowd
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: was like, ah, what a mess of life, right? I said,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: go there, hit the middle of the goal, because I'm
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: going to the rebound. Then he hit, the goalkeeper went
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: to defend, he left, and I, boom, from the head,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: scored the goal on the rebound. Then I went there
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: with my guys and he turned around and said, but
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: you are very shit. The ball always goes to you.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: It wasn't even you who hit it. It was him, exactly, man.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: But at some point in.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: The game, didn't you say, make a foul there, guys?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: Leave it to me, make a foul. No, that's what Mauro.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: From our team did in Italy. He made a foul.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: He made a foul. He felt it all. Yeah, because
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: he was smart.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: He dribbled a lot.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: I said, Zico, in 1982, in the World Cup, we
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: lost to Italy, and I wanted to know from you,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: what hurts the most? Is it the result, the defeat itself,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: or is it the way it was?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: Because the Brazilian team was very good.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we made more mistakes than usual that day.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: That's why I said the way it was. Yeah, the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: way it was. And for me, in particular, it was
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: much worse. Because that was the only defeat I had
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: in the Brazilian National Team in official matches. The only one?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: The only one.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: So it hurt a lot. It hurt a lot. It
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: really hurt a lot because I played three World Cups,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: the only defeat was that one. We went out in
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: the first Cup for... It was a strange thing.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Peru gave up.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: In 1986 we lost the penalties. We also lost in
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: the qualifiers and other competitions. That was the only defeat
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: I have. Until today, in my head, I don't think
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: about it. That's why I always say that I would
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: have liked to.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Have scored only one goal. Not the victory, but the draw.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: If we had won, we would have qualified.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: What did you guys talk about afterwards?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think we talked about it. We don't talk
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: about it. We just talk about it.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: But it's crazy what you said, Zico.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: You can see that it's something that we end up carrying.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: You end up carrying it.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: Because we participate in non-professional championships. We're going to hit
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: a penalty here, we're going to do something there. You
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: feel the pressure. You make mistakes, you're like, damn, I lost.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I remember when I.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: Played with you, I said to myself, imagine the life
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: of Bádio, sitting.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: There to have dinner with his wife.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: You know, I was watching an interview of his, I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: had never seen it. The other day he was talking
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: about it. About that moment.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: About that moment that happened a.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Lot of times, he didn't leave the house. I didn't
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: feel that, no. Because I think winning or losing is
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: part of the game. Making mistakes, getting it right, too.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Nobody makes mistakes on purpose. So, man, we're in the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: field and we're subject to these things. So, I worked
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: more than it was possible to work to be able
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: to be in the field. There was nothing missing. I
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: just didn't deliver anymore because I didn't know, so I couldn't.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: If I didn't deliver, then... I think if you keep condemning...
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: It's too cruel.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: It's too cruel.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: I agree. It's too cruel. I had a deal with... Barbosa,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: 50 years old, who Brazil lost, he suffered a goal,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: the second goal there and it seems that he was
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: condemned for the rest of his life. And when my
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: soccer center completed one year, I made a tribute to
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: all the players who disputed the World Cup for Brazil,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: I took almost 80. Since 1930.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: It's not just who was champion.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: No, no. Normally, the honors are all for the champion. Yes.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: I invited everyone who played the World Cup for Brazil.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: There were about 80 players. There was one from 1930.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: How was that day? It was a wonderful day. Just
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: a legend.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Our king was, right?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: So, it was cool. Zizinho. Guys like Didi. Everyone. And
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Barbosa was there, man. And he said, look, it's the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: first time I leave the house to be honored. He said,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: it looks like I'm in prison, I was sentenced to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: life imprisonment.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And you're going to see the goal that Uruguay made
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: there in Maracanã, it's.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: A goal totally normal. Totally normal, the guy kicked, he
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: went to one side, the ball went to the other,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: and he was elected the best goalkeeper of the Copa.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: But no one forgives him. It made his whole life sad.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Exactly, man.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: That's it. The cruelty that exists in football. The Brazilian
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: ends up being cruel. The Brazilian has always....
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: To put.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Arranging the blame for someone. Someone has to take a blame.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: For something. In the defeats. Because the guy, sometimes, who
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: takes a chicken, who asks, but if the team wins...
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: The guys were covering themselves.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Did that happen to you?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: Did they blame you at some point?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: They did. In 1986 they wanted to do that. And
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: a lot of people do it. Even today. If you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: don't have to say it, say it.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Even today? Even today.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: But it's okay, man. It's part of the game. It's
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: the game. I don't stop doing my thing because of that.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: And I don't even have the fear of saying those things, man.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: That's cool. That's cool to hear that from you, Zico.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: And I think.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: I wanted to thank you first because there's going to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: be a documentary of your life.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: There's everything there, that's what we're talking about here, okay?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Here it's just being a warm-up for this documentary.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: It's a warm-up for the documentary, it's wonderful, exciting. How
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: did it.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: Come to the moment of you making this documentary, they
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: invited you?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: That was a conversation, it was six years ago that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: we had the first conversation. What is this?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: So, first I want to thank you because you released
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: it for us to watch before going to the cinemas
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: and it was an honor.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: But you're not going to watch it, are you?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Vitor, can I talk about the connection?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: You can.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: Connection with Pelé, exchange of ideas with Ronaldo, music from
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: Billy Paul.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: You saw?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I got you.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: The good thing would be if you knew when was
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: the first time I heard Billy Paul's music. Outside the window,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Was it in a nice place? Wonderful.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Was there colored lights?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: Any light.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: If there's music, there's light. It was in a flowery environment.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: It was in a flowery environment. Colorful.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Got it?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: I can imagine. The guy who made me listen to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: this music, who I fell in love with, was.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Also in the movie about his death with the 24-year-old.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: 22 years old. It was the first beating I ever
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: had in my life. That beating was really bad. He
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: was my friend, a partner, a single man. So I
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: slept in my house, he slept in his house. They
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: lived a lot of things. And when I.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Got married, of course, everyone has their own life.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: So it was an incredible loss.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: But I was going to ask you about the importance
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: of this song, because it appears in several moments, and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: the importance of this friend of yours. Why did you
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: put this song? To kind of tell the story of
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: the movie.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it comes from his part. When we introduce him,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: it starts with this song, and the ending, What is
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: wonderful is the construction of the family. And of course,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: we are very festive. My family is very festive.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: And were you also festive, Zico?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Totally. I am until today. I wasn't.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: You were more quiet. Quiet, quiet, nothing.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: Quiet in the concentration. Not much. Not much?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Not much. Are you ready in the concentration?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: A lot, a lot. That team only had vagabonds in Flamengo.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: What level? Did you like to go out?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: No, no, no. I was a kid, you know? I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: liked to have a good time with people. But no
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: one would go out, no one would jump on the wall.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: No one would jump on the wall? No, no, no.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: No one would run away. Never.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe people would come to the concert, but no.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: One would go out. No, no, no. In our time, no.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: There was no such thing. Just kidding, right? Yeah, it
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: was a serious thing.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Don't watch it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: Don't watch it, brother. Don't watch this story.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: But still, talking about your documentary, one thing that is
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: very nice to see is that there are many recordings
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: that are yours.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Totally.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Your own. It was my brother's camera.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: So, you always liked to record.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Always.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: It's from the 70s, you filming. Of course. So, I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: felt it was a very confidential thing.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: And the entries were violated. Let's go.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: You saw, right?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: So, because....
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 6: How is it to open your life, your intimacy, at
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: this point? Because there's a lot of things there that people.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: Will really know you. Yeah, but I think it's part
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: of the trajectory drawn by João. I think that came
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: to add more, because it's a lot of stuff, a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: lot of things. So I think that gave a lightness
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: in the big documentary, because they have Fera, João Weiner,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: he has that narrative of him. And with that, what happens?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: You having means, can make it even easier.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: But when you recorded, when you realized you had so
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: much material, you said, man, in the future, this could
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: be a documentary.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: No, no, don't think about it. There's no way. I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: didn't think about it. We wanted to have fun, buy
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: the projector to show it to the people. And it
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: was terrible, because it was a three-minute roll, it would
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: end quickly, we had to change it all the time.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Did you get emotional in this documentary process? Watching?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: Watching the movie. Every five times I saw it, I cried.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Every time, at a certain moment. It's a lot of emotion, man.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: It's not easy. It's funny that sometimes the moment changes. Yesterday, here, watching,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: some other moments that I didn't cry, I cried yesterday, man.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: I got it.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Because I imagine, you remember everything. And please, watch it
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: on December 31st.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: 30th.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: 30th.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: From April 30th. What December? It's Christmas. It's 30th of April.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: In the cinemas.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: December 31st.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: I miss the holidays.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking about December 81st?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: Good, good.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: April 30th, in two weeks.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: All the cinemas.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: For the love of God. You who are a Flamenguista,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: you who like soccer, you who don't like, go watch.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: It's very exciting and very beautiful. Really, Zico. Thank you
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: very much, okay?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: Nothing, it was a pleasure. I hope the guys can
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: do a.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Of the cinemas, a great show, because in Rio they
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: already did it. Here a little bit, too, a lot
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: of people.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Did you expect to have so many Flamengo jerseys here
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: in São Paulo? I expected, I expected.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: I expected, I expected, I expected. We've already filled the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: Pacaembu here, you know, right? Only with Flamengo fans.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Flamengo fans are the biggest fans in Brazil?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: It's the biggest. It's what they say, right?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: What about Conde?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: Only 45 million, okay? Sorry. On Sunday I was at
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: the UN, on Monday I was at the UN, as
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: an ambassador. We are too.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: We are a nation, right? So.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: From the UN, right?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: This nation will get everything. Yes? Yes. Look.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: .
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: .
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: .
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: .
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: They gave me a wash.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: And in 2006, in the Copa.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: What was the talk in the locker room in 2006
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: to face that team from Brazil that was very good?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: Was it a talk like, go there, do what you can,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: or let's win?
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: My interpreter, he was a guy, the one in the movie,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: he's in love with Brazil. And he came to Brazil
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: to meet the guys from the 70s. But he stopped
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: in Rio and ended up meeting Galinho. Then he became
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: a Flamengo fan. And he's in love with Brazil. And
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: of course, I'm giving the pre-election, and I expected Brazil
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: to come with that team, the oldest, because they played
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: the first two games. I was doing the pre-election and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: I wanted to tell you that I sing the Brazilian
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: anthem every time, I learned that at school, I'm going
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: to sing the anthem, but when the ball rolls, it's Japan.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: When I look to his side to translate it, he's crying.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: So I hit him and said, man, I'm the Brazilian!
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: Then he woke up, And then, when I made the pre-election,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: the guys were so... When I got to the stadium,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: there were only boys playing for the Brazilian national team.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: They put the reserves.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: They put five boys there, they ran. They crushed them.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: They crushed them in the second half. That's true. Ronaldo said,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: I'm his idol, I'm this, I'm that. And he scored
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: the goal. The only goal he scored in his life.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: but it was really very difficult you know what.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: Was but it was really very difficult you know what
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: was mine my salvation was to remember Didi because Didi was.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: A coach of the Peruvian national team in 70 against
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: Brazil and Didi was a world champion for Brazil, right,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: having to face the Brazilian national team Against Pelé, right?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: But before you go to the thing, I wanted to know,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: why Japan?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Was it an invitation?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: They took me there, some spirit took me there.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: But what convinced you?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: Nobody convinced me, only the Japanese. I said, okay, I'll
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: go and that's it. I didn't talk to anyone.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Because today we see the Japanese team.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: If I talk to someone, I wouldn't go. For sure.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: Because we see the Japanese team today, won from Brazil,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: won now from England.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: He had a win from Germany. He had a win
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: from Spain.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: And when you.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: Go there, I have the total notion that you helped
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: a lot the Japanese football to speed up. Because when
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: Zico arrives there, he's what they called the god of football.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: Kami-sama.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Do you understand?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: You have to respect.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: It's because there the teams were from the factory.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: It was another footprint. It wasn't this soccer.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: It wasn't from the factory. The teams were from the companies.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: The name of the teams was from the companies. And
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: no Japanese was a soccer professional. They didn't get paid
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: as workers from the factories. And then there were already
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: professionals there. Oskar, who played with us in the national team,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: he went before. But he played, the foreigners were professionals,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: they had contracts, but the Japanese didn't. And then after
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: the J-League came, which was in 1993, everyone could only
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: play professionally too. The officials also had to leave.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: Zico, we faced the same fast that we faced.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: From 70 to 94. Now it's from 2002 to 2026.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: Do you think we had more chances of being tetra
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: in 94 or of being.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Hexa in 2026?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: In 94, right?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: Even more with those two in the attack there. Beto
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: and Romário. Just, right?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: In my case, it's more difficult, Mítico.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: But today, for example, I have faith.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: Because there is a coach who, for me, is one
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: of the best in history, if not the best, who
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: loves Brazilian football, who has always been successful working with
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: Brazilian players. And I believe that if the guys understand
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: him and try to do what, for sure, he will propose,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: I think the possibility increases. Do you understand? Because you see,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: for example, do you think there is someone in the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: individual value selection who has the same quality as Roberto
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: and Romário?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: You see that you have there an Aldair, there is
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: a guy.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: In terms of... We don't know who are the lateral ties. Exactly.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Today you have.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: Ancelotti is trying to put Danilo, from his experience, who
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: played there, knows him, from Italy, all these things, from Europe.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: So it's... It's difficult. So Brazil has to be the set.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: If you put in your head that the set, which
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: is what I'm sure Ancelotti will try to do, If
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: they commit to it, I think Brazil can make it.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: I think between the four of us, it can make it.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: Amen.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, just hearing that calms my heart. It calms my heart.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the quickest questions?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: Still?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I thought it was over.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: Still?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Damn, you're really from Rio.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: You see?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: He already put a bravo and put a still. I'm
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: already happy, man. Zico, to answer quickly, that kickball. Three
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: hardest opponents you've ever faced.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Markers.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: Markers?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Individual markers, not the teams.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: Pintinho, Fluminense, Zé Mário, who was from Vasco. Are you Brazilian?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Your life is international.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: No, but I'll put Brazilian. Batista, from Grêmio.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: Very boring.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: The best teammate you've ever played.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: Alongside? Helena. What am I saying? No, no. For example,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: from the Brazilian national team, Reinaldo, from Atlético. He played there.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: From Flamengo, Claudio Adão.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Top three free kicks you've ever seen?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: Marcelinho, Nelinho, and... The fight will be between Flávio Assunção
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: and Juninho Pernambucano.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. Maracanã, old or new Maracanã? There's
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: no new Maracanã, man!
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: There's no new Maracanã!
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: There's no new Maracanã!
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: It's the cacete, the new Maracanã is the cacete!
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: Who's the biggest gunner of Maracanã?
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: It's right in front of you. How many goals? 3-3-4.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: What is this, Mítico?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: 3-3-4, I didn't open this door. You're crazy. I'm good sometimes.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Man, the moment.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: They took the stadium and took it to another place...
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: Demolished it. Demolished it. That's it. Like Wembley. Wembley was demolished.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: And they did another one. But if it's in the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: same place.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't think it's in the same place.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: Against the rival, do you prefer a turn in the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: last minute or a humiliating goal?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: I need to win. Winning is good. Against Botafogo, I
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: needed to give a humiliating goal. Return.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Good. Final of the Libertadores of 81 or the Brasileiro
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: de 80?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Brazilian, from 1982. That's a shame. Yeah, because it was
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: the hardest. Yeah? Yeah, because everyone came with five knives
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: in their teeth against us.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Black or white uniform? Black uniform.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: You'll know, right?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Because you were a world champion with white, right?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: Ah, but... I prefer the other one. Flamengo is black uniform.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Is it true that you took the spot and are
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: a fan of Dorval?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: Of course!
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: E tô com ela há 55 anos.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Lembra da história que você acabou com a luz do
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Santiago Bernabeu?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: Eu não.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Carregando o celular?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: Eu não. Não lembro. Eu não. Que isso?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Me sopraram errado, então, essa história.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Santiago Bernabeu? É.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Falar que você foi carregar o celular e acabou a luz.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: Não, o problema não foi isso, não.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Não, conta pra nós.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: A gente tava gravando lá com o Esporte Interativo e
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: eles apagaram. Ó, vou embora daqui. Tem jogo amanhã.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Vambora.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Vambora. Eles queriam botar, expulsar a gente. Alguém inventou essa...
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: Essa ladainha. Essa ladainha, essa lorota e tal. Tá bom.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Se tiver no Rio, posso te ligar?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: O quê? Pode? Pode. Quer o número?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Não fala isso.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: É todo o Brasil tem, pô.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: Sério?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Tá vazado assim?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: Depois passa pra nós.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: Ótimo.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: A última pergunta é saber se você gostou de bater
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: esse papo com a gente.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: Gostei, gostei. Vou contar a última história pra você. Por favor.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: Conta.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Foi um presente.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Você falou do.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: I remembered a story from the Champions League. Juventus and Barcelona, remember?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: Neymar was there.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: 2015.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, 2015 and stuff. But when it was time to
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: go into the stadium, me, André Henning and Vitor Sérgio
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: were on Juventus' side. And the Italians, when they saw me,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: started that thing. the German, those angry Germans, they were like,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: get out of here, you're getting caught, and they passed
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: us and left. But even so, I took a lot
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: of pictures with the Italians there. Then the game was over,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: we went to leave, we always have to do the post-game,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: that thing takes a while, when we left it was
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: already kind of... everyone was leaving, then we were going
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: down the stairs and two guys came like this, with
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: the camera. Then the guy came and said something in English,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Quintino's English, right? Then the two guys
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: came like this and I asked him, the guy came
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: to take a picture, right? Then I said, okay, I
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: went and hugged the guy here to take a picture
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: with him. Then he said, no, no, no, you take
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: a picture of us two here.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: It didn't happen to you.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: And you took it?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Of course. Why not?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Humility.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: I went there, took it. Vitor Sérgio and André Henning
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: fooled me until.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Today.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: I finished here with a defeat. You see?
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: No. But this is a victory, isn't it? Of course
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: Humility is worth a lot.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Applause for Zico.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Applause for Zico. You're crazy. What a humility.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Muito obrigado, tá?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: Espero que você tenha gostado de verdade. Obrigado, viu?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Dia 30 de abril, nos cinemas. Não é 30 de dezembro, viu?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: Dia 30 de abril em todos os cinemas, cinemas de
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: todo o Brasil.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Vá assistir o filme documental do Zico.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: Qual é o nome do filme?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Aí você me pegou agora, calma.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: Então, o pessoal tem que saber o nome do filme.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: Qual que é o nome do filme?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: Samurai de Quintino.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: Caralho!
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: É isso, tinha esquecido. É, também nem imaginei. But look, I.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Wanted to end with a defeat like you. Can I?
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: No, go ahead.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: So we don't end up tied.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: But he was humble, not a defeat.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: You never wanted to play in Corinthians? Man, you know
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: what I had to come to Corinthians? They invited me.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: What was the year? I remember the year Corinthians played
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: the championship, the decision of the Paulista championship was in January, February,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: after the return of... Do ano, do ano, determinado.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Vixe, eu não lembro.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: Você não lembra?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Mas foi nesse ano aí que te ligaram.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: Foi 80, acho que foi 95, sei lá.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Não balançou não?
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: Não, cara, eles queriam que eu jogasse só as finais.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: Eu falei, pô, meu irmão, tá louco, né? Tá louco, meu?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: Ah, man, this would be a dream. Bítico Jove, what
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: a special day. Zico, thank you very much, okay?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: Thank you, man.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Brazil loves you.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: He's very humble. But don't praise.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: Me for that.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 6: You, who gets verified on Instagram, get stuck in the leg.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: Got it?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: Leave a like, subscribe to the channel, follow Zico on
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: social media, go to the cinema on April 30th, see
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: Samurai de Quinte. Mitico Jove, faça as honras.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: Confere a nossa agenda, amanhã tem programa só eu e
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: o Igão, vai ser legal demais. Hoje estreou o programa
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: no Podpah Records do Puro Roxo, sensacional, e acompanha tudo
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: que a gente tá lançando aí na nossa agenda, tá bom?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: Dignidade já. É nóis, tamo junto.
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  Speaker 1: now and enjoy! Praça de Camarão, Cafu ou Nicole?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: E quem venceu foi Nicole. A diversão tá aí. Superbet.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: Você sente quando é super.