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Jaguars Happy Hour | Reacting to HC Pederson Departure, Trent Baalke & Shad Khan Season Recap · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, January sixth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by Jet Home Loans and
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  Speaker 1: now a guy who walked to the paint store to
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  Speaker 1: get dinner.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't work. J P sder and welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: It is Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday, January sixth,
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  Speaker 3: the first hour presented by Jet Home Loans and a
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  Speaker 3: busy two hours ahead. Doug Peterson out as the Jaguars
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  Speaker 3: head coach. Trent Balkey stays as the Jaguars general manager.
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  Speaker 3: Owners shot Con met with the media earlier. We'll hear
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  Speaker 3: him coming up. We'll have, of course, Pete Briscoe and
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  Speaker 3: Tony Boselli for an entire show of keeping it Real
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  Speaker 3: today and fanatics fan questions, and we'll go around the
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  Speaker 3: National Football League. Doug Peterson out as the head coach.
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  Speaker 3: Trent Balkey is still in as the g owner. Shot
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  Speaker 3: Con put out a statement this morning at around eight
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  Speaker 3: twenty am saying that Balky and the others close to
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  Speaker 3: the organization would hire a leader who shares his ambition
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  Speaker 3: and quote is ready to seize the extraordinary opportunity. The
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  Speaker 3: full statement available at Jaguars dot com. This afternoon though,
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars owners shot con meeting with the media, and what
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  Speaker 3: was it about the coaching that needed change?
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, we made the playoffs. We're in the division game.
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  Speaker 4: Last year we started off eighty three and then went
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  Speaker 4: one in five, okay, and didn't make the playoff. Was
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  Speaker 4: the winning season, but didn't make the playoffs. And after that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I started really right in Nashville, sat down
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  Speaker 4: with Doug, Okay.
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  Speaker 5: What are we going to do?
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  Speaker 4: And he identified, you know, on the defensive side, we
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  Speaker 4: needed to change the staff and saw and as the
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  Speaker 4: season you know progress, obviously we weren't doing well. We
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  Speaker 4: were close like yesterday, but not close enough to win
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  Speaker 4: the game. And then as I spoke to you know,
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  Speaker 4: Doug even last week for a good length of time,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I just came to the conclusion what we
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  Speaker 4: were doing was not working and a change in direction
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  Speaker 4: was needed.
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  Speaker 3: That shot con will hear more from him coming up.
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  Speaker 3: Trent Balkey on the Zoom conversation with the media as well,
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  Speaker 3: asked if he's surprised he's still the general manager.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if.
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  Speaker 6: Surprised is the right word. You know, that's ultimately that's
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  Speaker 6: not my decision. That's the decision of ownership, and I
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  Speaker 6: certainly respect the decision that's been made and don't take
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  Speaker 6: the job lightly. The real fact, the bottom line is
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  Speaker 6: we weren't productive on the field. We didn't win enough games,
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  Speaker 6: and I don't shy away from there. I'm just as
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  Speaker 6: responsible as anybody else. And you know, all we can
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  Speaker 6: do now is roll up our sleeves and go to work.
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  Speaker 2: More from Trent Balke GM coming up as well.
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  Speaker 3: We're on Tenson XL, Jaguars dot com, Jaguars YouTube, JP,
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  Speaker 3: Shadwick with Pro Football Hall of Fame left tackle Tony
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  Speaker 3: Bisselli in studio with US Today and Pete Prisco, CBS
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  Speaker 3: Sports senior writer down in South Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Pete. How are you, uh well?
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  Speaker 7: Wow?
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  Speaker 8: Well, interesting day around the city of Jacksonville. I love
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  Speaker 8: I love when when Trent says he's as responsible as
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  Speaker 8: anybody else. Well, clearly he isn't because he didn't get fired,
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  Speaker 8: so he's not. I mean, the finger was pointed at
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  Speaker 8: the coach and coaching staff. It wasn't pointed at the
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  Speaker 8: general manager.
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  Speaker 9: So you know, from my standpoint, you guys know how
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  Speaker 9: I feel.
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  Speaker 8: I am astounded they didn't just get rid of everybody.
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  Speaker 8: And if you're gonna get rid of Doug Peterson, why
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  Speaker 8: not get rid of everybody. That's the way I felt
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  Speaker 8: about it. And and it didn't happen, and he's still
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  Speaker 8: there for now. And the reason I say for now,
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  Speaker 8: we don't know how long he's gonna be there. We
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  Speaker 8: don't know if he's just being kept to be a
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  Speaker 8: conduit through the interview process. You know, Look, Sead Cohn
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  Speaker 8: doesn't know a lot of people in the NFL. He
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  Speaker 8: doesn't know how to conduct an interview process. And I
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  Speaker 8: think he's gonna lean on Trent Balke for that. The
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  Speaker 8: problem becomes if he leans on Trent Balkey too much
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  Speaker 8: and Trent Balke influences the process, and by that.
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  Speaker 9: I mean gets one of his guys in there.
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  Speaker 8: And if that's the case, that's never good for the organization.
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  Speaker 8: And that's why I think it's gonna be a problem
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  Speaker 8: the way it's being structured. And here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 8: Trent Balkey has one year left on his deal. As
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  Speaker 8: I was told he was asked today. Shod Cohn was
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  Speaker 8: asked today about the contract extension. Well, don't you think
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  Speaker 8: that's something that a coach coming in for an interview,
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  Speaker 8: is gonna need to know. If I'm interviewing in Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 8: I need to know what the plan is for Trent
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  Speaker 8: Palky I And the word is it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 8: coach centric organization. And we talked about that before. The
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  Speaker 8: coach is gonna have the juice in the building. It's
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  Speaker 8: gonna be he's the guy. And if that's the case,
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  Speaker 8: and you see a guy you really like and he
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  Speaker 8: doesn't like Trent Balkey, but he has somebody else he'd
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  Speaker 8: like to get in there, then go get the guy.
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  Speaker 8: You can't let Trent Balkey influence you from making the
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  Speaker 8: right decision for the franchise.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Boselli, Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Pete.
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  Speaker 7: I hear you. I did the one area I take
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  Speaker 7: a little bit of an issue with and disagree with
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  Speaker 7: for you to say shot Con doesn't know a lot
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  Speaker 7: of people. He's been an owner in this league since
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  Speaker 7: twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 8: That guy I always leaned on people I handle the
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  Speaker 8: interview for us.
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  Speaker 7: That's not true. He led the whole process last year
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  Speaker 7: and interviewed like fifteen people whatever it was, and everyone
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  Speaker 7: complained that it was too long and he was being
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  Speaker 7: too thorough and talking to too many people. And I
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  Speaker 7: know for a fact because I've talked to agents. They know,
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  Speaker 7: they pick up the phone, shots talked to them. Like,
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  Speaker 7: so to say Shot does not know people now, I
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  Speaker 7: just think is wildly wrong, Like way off base. I'm
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  Speaker 7: just telling you, if you would have said this in
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  Speaker 7: if you would have said this in twenty twelve, twenty fifteen, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: maybe this is twenty twenty five. He's gone through multiple coaches,
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  Speaker 7: multiple gms, been to the playoffs, He's on owner committees,
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  Speaker 7: He's like leads around international. He doesn't know the owners, Tony,
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  Speaker 7: he knows the coaches, he knows he's around. Now, look,
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  Speaker 7: I'm just.
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  Speaker 9: Telling nobody to run the interview process for him. I'm not.
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  Speaker 7: That's a different conversation. Like a lot of owners hire
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  Speaker 7: firms to run the process. Jets Jets are doing.
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  Speaker 8: You Noe who I work with, and Mike Tannenbaum, who's
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  Speaker 8: the former.
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  Speaker 9: Jet GM.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm gonna say something that's gonna seem like I'm
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  Speaker 7: taking a shot at Tannabond and Spielman. Okay, and I'm not.
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  Speaker 9: Yad, I take shots Atrix Fieldman all the time.
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  Speaker 7: Why would Why are they any more qualified to lead
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  Speaker 7: a search than Trent Balke. Let me ask you a question.
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  Speaker 7: How many Super Bowls has either of those tea guys
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  Speaker 7: took a team to? The answer zero? Just for the record,
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  Speaker 7: how many AFC or NFC Championships have they taken a
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  Speaker 7: team to? Built a team that went to.
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  Speaker 10: Those stealing and went to a couple okay super Bowls?
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  Speaker 10: Never no championship games, yeah, but never super Bowls. Tam Mom,
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  Speaker 10: I don't think it's done either. No, okay, love or hate.
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  Speaker 10: And I've been pretty much honest as far as my.
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  Speaker 7: Praise and criticism of Trent Balky as Jim, I try
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  Speaker 7: to be down the line. When he does something I
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  Speaker 7: disagree with, I say I disagree with, never personal. When
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  Speaker 7: I say he does something good like the Walker Little,
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  Speaker 7: I think it was a great deal, did a great job,
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  Speaker 7: I said, great job. But the bottom line, and the
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  Speaker 7: dude has taken was built a team that went to
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  Speaker 7: three straight NFC championship games, went to a Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 7: came here was part of the process of building the
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  Speaker 7: team that went to the playoffs in twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 7: and was eight and three. And I'm not saying I
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  Speaker 7: agree with everything of them, But why Pete is Spielman
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  Speaker 7: and Tannybaum any more qualified than Trent Balke to lead
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  Speaker 7: a search Because at the end of the day, and
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  Speaker 7: this is one thing I know about Seat Khan, I've
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  Speaker 7: known him since twenty twelve. I've had multiple sit downs
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  Speaker 7: with them in conversations. He is going to make the decision.
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  Speaker 7: He will listen, he will go through the process. But
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  Speaker 7: I don't care if you're Trent Balky, Tony BISSELLI, you know,
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  Speaker 7: Mark Lamping, J. P. Shadwick, Pete Briscoe, you know Donald
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  Speaker 7: Trump could give all their opinions. Sean khn is going
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  Speaker 7: to make the decision of who the next head coach is.
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  Speaker 7: I have no issue Trance the GM. He decided that
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  Speaker 7: Trent has done a good enough job and we can
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  Speaker 7: we can break down whether we agree or not with that,
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  Speaker 7: and Trent's gonna run the process. I don't see why
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  Speaker 7: that is any different Pete than Spielman or Tannybomb being
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  Speaker 7: hired by Woody Johnson to run the process.
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  Speaker 9: Who who kidnapped Tony Bli tonight? Who is in your body?
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  Speaker 9: What the hell?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 7: Broke up?
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  Speaker 3: Would say the question I would have and we'll get
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  Speaker 3: back to Pete the second when he gets what the
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  Speaker 3: hell are.
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  Speaker 9: You talking about? What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 7: You are you are saying he shouldn't run the search,
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  Speaker 7: but you're fine with Spielman and Tanning Bomb running the
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  Speaker 7: sports for the Jets. What's the difference is my question?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I don't think Spielman particularly, don't think Tann Bomb
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  Speaker 8: should be running the start.
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  Speaker 9: He was fired by the team, damn like fire.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, you know what, Doug Peterson knows a lot of
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  Speaker 8: people in the NFL and a lot of coaches. Did
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  Speaker 8: Jack Wyers should bring back Peterson and allow him to
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  Speaker 8: run this?
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  Speaker 7: I didn't any I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 8: It doesn't It doesn't make any sense at all. But
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  Speaker 8: I also think that's the reason why he's keeping Bulky around.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it is. Here's a question I have.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think I guess that where I'm disagreeing with
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  Speaker 7: you your premise of why he's getting around. I disagree
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  Speaker 7: with that.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any reservations for audio work?
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  Speaker 3: Is there any reservations that potential coaches might have considering
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  Speaker 3: the track record that Bulky had after Harball?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: In San Francisco.
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  Speaker 7: I think that whether it's reality or perception that is
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  Speaker 7: out there, and like we're being I would I think
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  Speaker 7: we'd be disingenuous not to say that. Now you can
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  Speaker 7: argue whether it's true or not, but the perception out there,
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  Speaker 7: and I've heard it, and Pete you've heard it. And
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  Speaker 7: you go through the list of coaches from the forty
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  Speaker 7: nine to the Jaguars. I think it's funny about the
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  Speaker 7: Urban Meyer because that was seag cons but higher, I mean, he.
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  Speaker 9: Was the g.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, let's not go down. I've tried to forget about
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  Speaker 7: Urban Meyer ever existing in this organization, so let's not
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  Speaker 7: bring it up. But anyways, going through that list, there's
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  Speaker 7: no doubt that if you talk to people around the league,
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  Speaker 7: the perception is that Trent Balky ram these people out
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  Speaker 7: and did a poor job and had confrontations and conflict
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  Speaker 7: between the front office and the head and the coaching staff.
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  Speaker 7: There's no doubt about it. That's the perception, that's the talk,
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  Speaker 7: and and Pete has heard it. I've heard it. There
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  Speaker 7: are individuals who say they will not come to an
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  Speaker 7: organization if Trent Baulky is a gym. Pete, is that accurate?
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  Speaker 9: Correct?
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  Speaker 7: Okay? I actually think that.
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  Speaker 9: By the way, I don't necessarily always.
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  Speaker 7: Believe that that's where I was going.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't necessarily believe that.
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  Speaker 9: Just depends on how it's structured in the organization.
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  Speaker 8: For example, if I'm a coach and Shod con tells me, look,
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  Speaker 8: you're going to have control inside this building, you're gonna
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  Speaker 8: answer to me that you can bring in one of
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  Speaker 8: your guys and and kind of go over the top
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  Speaker 8: and make Trent a personnel guy or something. If he
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  Speaker 8: stays in the building, then I'm not I'll let it
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  Speaker 8: work for a year because I know I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 8: it work and he's gonna be gone after a season
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  Speaker 8: if I don't get along with him.
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  Speaker 9: That's what I would do.
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  Speaker 8: So I would if I'm a coach out there, I'm
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  Speaker 8: coming for the interview.
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  Speaker 9: I'm gonna listen to Shod Cohn.
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  Speaker 8: I look at this job, and I think this job
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  Speaker 8: is fantastic. When you look at it from an owner
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  Speaker 8: that doesn't really meddle, it's probably two hands off. Sometimes
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  Speaker 8: willing to spend money. I mean, let's be real. The
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  Speaker 8: general manager who's in plays right now spent a bootload
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  Speaker 8: of his money and got no return on investment, but
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  Speaker 8: he allowed him to do it. You got a new stadium,
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  Speaker 8: you have a new facility, you have no state incometack.
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  Speaker 9: You have a court developed into one.
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  Speaker 8: Heck of a player provided you put the right offensive
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  Speaker 8: building around them. So what's that to love about the job. So,
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  Speaker 8: if I'm anybody anybody out there, I'm coming to listen.
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  Speaker 8: But if I come and listen and I hear all
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  Speaker 8: the things that I that I wanted to hear, and
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  Speaker 8: I say to shod Con look it's great and all.
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  Speaker 8: I want this job, and I know you want me,
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  Speaker 8: but I ain't working with him making the football decisions
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  Speaker 8: above me. He's got to go or I'm come and
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  Speaker 8: then Shot ultimately will have a decision to make. Does
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  Speaker 8: he let the coach he truly wants out the door
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  Speaker 8: to keep a general manager who's quite frankly hanging by
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  Speaker 8: a thread. So that's what it's ultimately gonna come down to.
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  Speaker 8: But I'm with you, Tony. If I'm a coach this league,
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  Speaker 8: I'm coming in for the interview. If that's I have
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  Speaker 8: a ten times better option somewhere else, well.
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  Speaker 7: That okay there So, and Pete, your internet's going a
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  Speaker 7: little bit in and out. But I got what you said.
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  Speaker 7: So what you're saying is my my perspective as well.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people will say I'm not taking the
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  Speaker 7: job because Trent Balky's the gym or whoever's the gym.
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  Speaker 7: But in this case, it's Trent. Let's just call it.
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  Speaker 7: That's the that's the word out there, it's on X,
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  Speaker 7: it's I've had phone calls today. I mean petez, I
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  Speaker 7: mean it's out there. Whatever I always say, I call
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  Speaker 7: cow poop. Well, I can't say the other word run.
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  Speaker 7: Can I say the other words?
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  Speaker 2: You cannot?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so I call you know what. Because here's
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  Speaker 7: the deal. There's only thirty two of these jobs. There's
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  Speaker 7: only right now five open. I think the Raiders job
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  Speaker 7: opens up, so I'll be six. There always is the
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  Speaker 7: one or two hot candidates all the one who's hotter
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  Speaker 7: than you know, a firecracker, and I is Ben Johnson.
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  Speaker 7: I think Ben Johnson's one hell of a play caller,
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  Speaker 7: an offensive coordinator. If you wanted me put gun to head.
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  Speaker 7: Do I think he's gonna be a great head coach?
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  Speaker 7: I think, but I don't know because it's a completely
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  Speaker 7: different skill set.
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  Speaker 2: So before we all do you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, backflips and you know freak out about Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 7: and the rumors are he won't do this or that,
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  Speaker 7: like slow your role? What's interview? Because I agree with Pete.
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  Speaker 7: I think everyone's gonna take an interview, and I think
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  Speaker 7: and Ben Johnson very well might be a great head
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  Speaker 7: coach because he's a hell of a hell of an
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  Speaker 7: offensive coordinator. I mean one hell of an offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 7: But until you have that interview now, because Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 7: is such a hot candidate and probably will have multiple offers,
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  Speaker 7: could someone like that use that leverage to say, hey,
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  Speaker 7: I'm only coming if I can bring my guy. Possibly,
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  Speaker 7: But then he's have to do that in Chicago because
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  Speaker 7: Ryan Pole's is staying. He'd have to do it here
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  Speaker 7: because Trent Balky's a GM. Right now, Uh, what's the
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  Speaker 7: other open job you have? New England. They're not getting
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  Speaker 7: rid of their GM. He's new he's praying. That's my point.
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  Speaker 7: So if Ben Johnson wants.
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  Speaker 8: His GYM Ryot Poles, Ryan Poles isn't calling the shots
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  Speaker 8: in Chicago, so they could get rid of them.
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  Speaker 7: And right now I get that people. Right now, there's
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  Speaker 7: not any of these jobs. He's not taking the Saints job.
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  Speaker 7: It's the worst job in America because the cap issues
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  Speaker 7: they have. No one wants that job.
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  Speaker 9: And a bad quarterback I get it, And so a quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, could Ben Johnson. He's probably the one candidate that
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  Speaker 7: can have that leverage if he really wanted it.
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  Speaker 9: But here's what if he's.
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  Speaker 8: The guy that wants to and if he's the guy
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  Speaker 8: you want, then you got to give him the leverage.
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  Speaker 7: But that's only if you after you interview him, Pete,
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  Speaker 7: you say he's right, not only a great offense coordinator,
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  Speaker 7: he's gonna be a great head coach because being a
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  Speaker 7: head coach, because being a head coach is a different
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  Speaker 7: skill set than being an offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 8: Correct, But that's why shot led left the door open
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  Speaker 8: on Balky not being here. He did and making he.
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  Speaker 11: Said that he should say he said that lateness. He
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  Speaker 11: said it late in his press conference. Yes, we've got
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  Speaker 11: plenty ahead. Obviously, we're here until six o'clock. We've got
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  Speaker 11: plenty of discuss We'll hear more from shot con from
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  Speaker 11: earlier today, Trent Balkey as well, and the locker room
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  Speaker 11: was open today after the news. We'll hear from some
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  Speaker 11: of the players as they cleaned out their lockers after
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  Speaker 11: the final day of the regular season. Jack's fans want
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think that's really you know, relevant.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I think what's important is the structure we've had, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: and you know it's work, which is both you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Doug and Freend reporting to me and and that way,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: you know, if there are issues that can be addressed openly,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: you know, honestly, you know, Doug was there this morning
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: at MAC.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: He spoke to the players.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know that there's no disharmony or you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: as far as that goes. So and you know, whoever
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: a new head coach is, you know, it's going to
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: be my job that Similarly, our job is to support
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: the head coach of what Trent is doing, what I'm doing,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the rest of.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: The people are doing. I really like, you.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Know, service providers and serving the head coach to succeed.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: That's Jaguars owner's Shod Khan when asked if Trent Balky's
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: getting an extension as part of all this, that was
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the answer J D. Shadwick, Tony VASSELLI, Pete Prisco with us.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: We'll get back with him coming up some technical things.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: We'll get back to me.
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  Speaker 7: Did you take that answer as a non answer? Yes, yeah,
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: I did too. Which is I mean, which is the
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: right way to answer it?
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: By the way, especially if it's a no, then you
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: don't want to say no, he's not getting one.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it's no or not. And I
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: don't know actually what his contract situation is, and.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I Pete seems to claim it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I don't know if that's accurate.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I don't either.
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: So but I took Shad's answer. There is the part
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: I agree with him.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: One.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: I agree with a head coach centric system, like the
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: head coach has to be the voice of the organization
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: from the football side and the job.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: That's what Urban was.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: Well, that's better or worse, it's what it was, right, right,
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: And that's what I think Sead wanted Doug to do
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: it be And if you look at I mean, okay,
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: let's go through the number one. Let's go through the
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: teams in the playoffs. Okay, I mean looking at structure,
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: what we know, best team in the NFL, Detroit Lions,
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: my opinion, number one seed. Would you say that's a
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: head coach centric system. So yeah, I think so. They
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: both separately report to the owner gmn uh head coach
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: report to the ownership group. But it's it's head to
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: coach centric. Kansas City, you think Andy Reid's a charge
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: not and it's head coach centric. You know that they
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: have a good GM. I mean, everyone has a role,
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: but it's it's Andy show. But they both report up
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: to the ownership. Buffalo, Buffalo, I believe that's the way.
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: I mean it comes across that way. I mean another team, Baltimore,
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: Baltimore Ravens, I mean John Harball Chargers, Jim Harball, no
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: doubt about it. Sean Payton, the Denver Broncos, Philadelphia, Philadelphia.
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: That's a different story, right because I think Cowie is
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: kind of more like that's the That's my opinion. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: don't know for a fact, but it sure feels like
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Howie's the one that is dictating what they do.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: He just feels like Sirianni's on the hot set.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's always like feeling like Sirianni was like week
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: the week and how he's waiting in the background, like well,
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: I don't like that for it down call today. But yeah,
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: but I mean, we don't need to go through everyone
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: but to get our point. And I actually agree with that,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: and I think it's more about getting the right people
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: in the right roles, in defining those roles and understanding
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: what is the identity of the organization. So if I
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: was going to be critical of the Trent Bulky Doug
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: Peterson tenure, here, what's the identity?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Who are you?
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: What is our identity? Who are we trying to be?
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: Like what's the culture of the building and the organization?
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: And like when you show up somewhere, this is who
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: we are. I don't think that was established. Now you
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: could argue, is that whose fault is that? Whose responsibility
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: is that? I think overall it's an organizational responsibility. But
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: I think if you're going to be head coach centric,
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: and that's what Jead wants, and I think that's what
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: he wanted when Doug, it ultimately starts with the head
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: coach and now you have to support the head coach.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: And so it's the job of everyone to being on
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: the same page, understand your roles and what you're supposed
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: to do, but then supporting. If everyone does their job,
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: you're naturally supporting that head coach and his staff and players.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: Because at the end of the day, in the NFL,
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: everybody is dependent on what happens on that field. Everybody,
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: their jobs and their livelihoods do literally depend on it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: By the way, and I'm not just talking about the
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: assistant coaches and the training staff and the nutritional staff
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: and the medical staff, and the scouting staff and the
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: GM I'm not I'm talking about the people selling tickets,
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: the sponsorship facilities, communication, broadcast. We're all dependent on that.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: We're probably the least because our job, like our job
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: is to communicate what happens and talk about what happens, win,
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: lose or draw, Like, okay, we're gonna do that. What
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: if you're selling tickets and your your incentive comp and
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: your bonus comp depends on how many tickets you tough
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: tough year, you don't think when is important? I mean
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: it's and so I and so shods. What shod communicated
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: today is like Okay, this is the way, Like we're
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: all in. Our job is support this head coach whose
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: job is to go win football games. That's basically the structure.
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: If you want to simplify it and be a reductionist
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: and go down to the base levels like this guy,
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: we all have to support him. Trent, Me, Scouting, medical, everybody. Yeah,
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: so that they can't have success, so we all have
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: so then we all have success. That's how it works.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: And that's what Sean was saying. I agree with that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Pete Prisco back with us. Now you hear all that, Yeah,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: I had to change computers and headset and everything. Something happened,
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: so yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I hear Tony waving all.
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: Over the damn place.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, come on, what do you instead of just
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: taking a personal shot what you were outstanding at doing?
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: And by the way, I saw Brady and he made
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: sure to let me know what a pain and then
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: you know what you are on a daily basis, he
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: told Yeah, we talked, told me, we shared stories about
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: what a terrible person you are. But instead of just
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: taking a personal shot, what do you disagree with what
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: I just said? I'm not I'm just saying that because
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: Pete where we started. I don't know if you heard it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: We ran a clip. Sead was asked about extending Bulky
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: and basically he gave a yeah, not relevant and talked
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: about coach being the head coach, being head coach centric
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: in the job of the organizations to support that group,
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: to give them the tools to have success, you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: blah blah blah blah blah. And I was saying, I
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: actually agree with that, and if you look at successful
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: organizations and the teams that have had success, it's built
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: around that head coach and giving them the tools and
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: the in the ammunition, ammunition to go win the fight.
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: Well, well, let me ask you this though. Let's let's
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: let's look at it from this stamp.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: Okay, if Trent Balk stays and doesn't get a contract
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: extension and the new coach comes in, you think they're
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: going to be working in harm harmony together.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you do. Why wouldn't they.
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: Because history says otherwise?
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Oh, are you talking in general or or Trent specifically?
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: Did he say? Trent said, Trent, Okay, sorry, you're going
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: out again. I mean, what do you what? You would
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: you know?
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: What's going on?
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Did you pay your bills? Did you pay your bill
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: this year?
• 26:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: I was just on camera about twenty minutes ago, so
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: it might not be my, might.
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: Not be me.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: So you're saying that we haven't paid our bills yet.
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: Maybe No, I guess you're you're paying a lot of
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: coaches who aren't working, so maybe you can't that funny.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Well, it's really not funny if it's your money. Yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: not to say, I guess, Pete. The reason I'd say,
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: I think they will. So let's play this out. So
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: because you said Trent specifically, unless you say, let's do
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: someone besides Ben Johnson, because that's everyone. Let's let's say
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: Mike Rabel came in here as head coach. Why wouldn't
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: Mike Rabel make it work the first year because he
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: knows if he has success as the head coach and
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: Trent can help him have success, or whoever in that seat,
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: why wouldn't he work with him until he knows it
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: doesn't work, because he knows he's going to be there
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: more than one year. There are also bodies okay, well, okay,
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: their buddies. Let's say someone who's not Aaron Glenn. Let's
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: just say Aaron Glenn, who I don't think has any
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: relationship with Trent Balky. Aaron Glenn comes in, first time
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: head coach of the organization. He comes in, Why wouldn't
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: he try to make it work with Trent even if
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: Trent had one year on his deal because it benefits him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: But he's gonna try and make it work.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: And if it doesn't, guess what, there'll be someone else
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: next year.
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: But Tony, you know how egos are in that business?
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: Are you kidding me?
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: Guys don't get along half the time to begin with,
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: and now all of a sudden you're getting guys stuck
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: when you're stuck with them.
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: Think about that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: There's only thirty two of these jobs, Pete and I
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: and I know there's a lot of talk about and
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: we all talk like this this time of year, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: I hear it all the time, these coaches, And I'm
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: not going there if this person's hair or that, bye bye, bye,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: bye bye. And then the job opens up and there's
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: a long list of people waiting to work there. Kid
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: that Tony Biselli, I'm asking you, is that not true?
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: Pete?
• 28:41
  Speaker 12: What do we have going on either tonight? I just
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: don't understand.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: I'm you're the one who said it a second ago.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: Is that not true?
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: I agree with you, guys should do the interview. I'm saying, okay,
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: And you said there's only thirty two of them. There's
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: also only thirty two general managers in the league, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: you're keeping a guy who's on will be on.
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: His third coach.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: Two number one.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: Overall picks who spent a boatload of money for a
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: team that won won?
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: How many games did they win? Again? Remind me for
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: so so think about it from that standpoint.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: I'm coming in to be I'm going to be the
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, and I'm stuck
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: with that job.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: So I'm gonna say, well, wait a second. Two things. One,
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: I think Sead deserves credit because it would have been
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: easy for him to do what a lot of other
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: teams did, like the Giants and the Dolphins and others
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: who put out comments today is like, we're staying the
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: course with the individuals we have. And so he said
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: no and got rid of a guy because he did
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: not see progress on the field since the middle of
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: last year. And he said no, I'm doing it now.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: I'm not waiting. We're making a decision, so let's give
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: him credit for that. At the same time, to Pete's point,
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: he he kept the guy who's been through multiple coaches
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: and everything else. That was also part of that fallout.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: John made the decision he thought I was more coaching
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: than Jim. Okay, great, that was his decision. My whole point,
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: Pete is he also said in the press conference, if
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: someone came in and said, hey, there's a better structure
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: or this or that or the other, and could convince him,
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: all like to me, I took I went and came
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: away from this saying, it's like this is an owner
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: who just wants to win a right, So somebody has
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: a better problems, a better process, or a better deal
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: than I'm good ears and so I think, And that's
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: why I'm saying, Pete, my whole point is, I'm not
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: I get what you're saying because it's true and you
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: and I agree on this, and we've talked about the
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: perception out there and the conversation is that there are
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: certain guys who will not take this job. If Trent
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: Bulky's the gym, that it is what it is, it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: out there. My point is. I think a lot of
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: times that's more talk then reality when push comes to shove.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying.
• 31:03
  Speaker 12: Okay, okay, I'll give you that. I'll give you that.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying. Should you That's all I'm saying.
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: Should you be forced to take the job with him?
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: There, I'm not saying you should, Pete. I'm just saying
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: you're you're missing my point. That's why, like you're losing
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: your mind. My only point in this thing. There's only
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: thirty two of these jobs. There's only five of them
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: open right now. They get they pay a lot of money,
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: they're very prestigious, and a lot of guys. Because I've
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: had conversations with these people, they tell me I'm not
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: taking the job if X, Y and z's there, Okay,
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: and then.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Amazingly, those contracts slash on the desk.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: It's like, oh wait a minute. Amazingly, like weeks later,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: they're interviewing for the dang job and they're like, I
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: want that job. It pays eight million bucks a year.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: How many zeros are No?
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: I get that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying.
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: I get everything. I get everything you say, And you're
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: right about that. Guys will interview and somebody will take
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: the job. But why should you be forced to do that?
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: You shouldn't.
• 31:59
  Speaker 12: Why should you be Why should you be taking an
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: opportunity to be a head coach in a national force?
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: You should not next step in your career.
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: No, but why should it be at a place where
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: a general manager is being kept?
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: But they clearly are cleaning everybody else out the coaches.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: You know you, you do realize what this message sends now,
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: I do all dog.
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: Peterste the general manager, had nothing to do.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: With it, and we're running over. I want to come
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: back to that, Pete, but I want to finish it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: We'll come back to the coaching real quick. I want
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: to finish this to make sure we're on the same page.
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: I think we are, Pete. I don't think anyone should
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: have to. My only point is is Shad Khan is
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: the owner of the team. It's his progative to do
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: whatever the heck he wants. It's his money, and what
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: he is saying is right now. Trent Balky's my GM.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: He also said at the end, if somebody comes in
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: and has a better idea and can convince me that
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: I should do something, different that will help us win.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: I will listen. So, No, it is the prerogative of
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: every head coach, Ben Johnson. If Ben Johnson doesn't want
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: to come here because of Trent Balky, that's his prerogative
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: and I respect it. That's his decision.
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: Well what happens if you're missing out on a great
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: coach because you've stuck with Brett Trent Balk, well.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Then that is guess what? And guess what, Pete. Then
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: that is Sean Conn's responsibility. And at the end of
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: the day, if Ben.
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: Johnson even why even have it in this situation. You
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: could have done you could have fixed it one clean.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: Swoop because he doesn't. Okay, let's let's let's talk when
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: we get back.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: As we're working, we gotta come back, all right.
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: Well, I just want to know.
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: If Ja he got the same Christmas bonus you got
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: for being a yes man?
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: Now, how would Pete? That's unfair And I'm gonna come
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: back and take you the test because that's not true.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: What did I I want to know what I said
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: that you disagree with that's not in fact.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Tell me the answer is no, I didn't.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: By the way, By the way, I didn't either we're.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Back in a moment, it wouldn't have been on the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: radiod I did.
• 33:59
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  Speaker 2: We're here until six o'clock.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: In the aftermath of the firing of Doug Peterson, Trip
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Walkey stays as a general manager, Jaguars Ownershot Cohn and
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Balky met with the media on Zoom today. We'll hear
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: more of that coming up in X is on Fire today.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Of course, we've got the fanatics fan questions coming up
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: a little bit later.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: We're starting early.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: We've got people calling Tony Bisselli a turncoat now on
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: X I mean they're coming at you, Tony.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: That's fine, bring it. Pete started misrepresenting what I'm saying.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: But you know what, let's.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: Go, I don't know what.
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: Well you said. I'm getting paid off to say what
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: I'm saying, So that's basically the.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Same I didn't get paid for the rest and.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: If you'll use you know xers and great Jaguar fans.
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: I love you take your shot because but here's reality.
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: The reality is Shat Khan is the owner of this team.
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: It's his team. He owns it, he bought it. He
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: gets the ability to make decisions and who works here
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: and who does not including yours truly me, everyone in
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: this building. It's his job. He made a decision based
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: on the body of work after three years of wins
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: and losses, that we were going in the wrong direction.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: He has said from day one, this is a coach
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: centric organization. He believes that the head coach should be
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: the loudest voice. That is that they're they're equal. They
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: all report to him, but the head coach is, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: among equals. He's the lead. He's the lead he has
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: He's the one who's gonna drive the boat. Sept the culture,
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: who we are and where we're going. That's what he said.
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: He said it today again in the press conference. So
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: he made a decision that based on the direction that
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: he felt like he needed to make a change on
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: the coaching after doing all the evaluation. You can agree
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: or disagree with that, whether he should be the head
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: coach that whether he Doug should have got fired or not,
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: he thought he should. He felt like, based on where
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: this organization was today, that Trent Balkey had done enough
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: while still under contract to fill be the GM moving forward,
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: while at the same time he said that if someone
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: came with a better thing, Because he made a great
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: point in the press conference because people asked him, why
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: don't you clean house? He's like, well, tell me what
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: cleaning house means? All this prayer phrase clean house and
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: he's like, well, what does that mean? Should I get
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: rid of all the trainers and the equipment guys and
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: the video guys? Are they all? Are they all trash too?
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: That's not what that question was either.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: I'm just telling you they asked the question. When you
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: say clean house, are you saying so, just get rid
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: of the GM? You get rid of all the scouts?
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: Do you get rid of all the scouts too?
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: Eventually you will if your GM comes in, new.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: GM comes in, he hires his own scouts, Yes, unless
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: he unless he really likes guys on the stamp.
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: That happens all in time to this league, And okay, it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Usually happens right after the drift, right after the draft
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and that's fine.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: But my point is the whole point I'm making. I'm
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: not sitting here saying he should or should not have
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: fired Trent Balky. I have not weighed in at all,
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: just like I didn't weigh in all year whether he
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: should fire Trimbalke or Doug Peterson. I haven't weighed in
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: whether he should should have fired Doug or not. It's
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: not my job to hire and fire people at the
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: end of the day. And I've said it before and
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: I'll say it now. Sean and whoever is evaluating this
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: buility needed to take a deep look at the whole
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: thing because it's not working. We had four wins. We
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: spent more money than anybody and we have four wins.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: We were one in five to finish the season. We're
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: not productive. We have too many we've been in the
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: top five too many picking. We have too many double
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: digit losing seasons. So that's all I said. And my
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: point is when Pete brings up, he's like, well, you
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: should have fired He can't be a part of the search.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: You know, if Sean doesn't know anybody, that's that's nonsense.
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: He's been around since twenty twelve and everyone gets all excited,
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: let's go high. What GM do you want? First of all,
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: half the people on X you don't even know what
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: makes a good GM. You you're you're giving me names
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: of guys who are scouts. How do you know they're
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: gonna be good? What they do? Do you even know what?
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: I don't know anybody's ever gonna be good? Is this?
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: That's my whole point, Pete, and you're my whole point
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: is And then you got your saying, well, you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: look at the Jets. They're going with Tannebaugh and Spielman.
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: Oh great, two guys who are talking heads at networks.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: They can't get a job. I'm gonna trust No, that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: what you said, Pete. That's what you said, and so
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: you have to guy, that's what you said.
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: You said, ultimately responsible for the mess that you're in,
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: conducting the helping it, eliting the search.
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: Just think about that for a second. The guy who.
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: Is ultimately responsible for the mess that this team is
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: in right now is leading the search.
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: No, I disagree with that. He's not leading it. Shod's
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: leading it, just like he led the last search with
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: Doug Peterson. Yes, Pete, you're wrong.
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: He'll be he'll he'll make the vital decisions.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: They'll bring the guys to him, and Trent will have
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: major input on who comes to.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: That part of the statement today. And this is an
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: interesting part to me. I will collaborate with GM, Trim
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Balki and others within and close to our organization.
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: I think me well, but let's find out this happened
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: today and people are losing their mind and I got
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: you today. At this moment, I have not talked to
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: Shod since the announcement has been made, so I don't
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: know if I'm another or not.
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: The only thing I can think of right now is
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: you're either another or somebody's outside taking you down from the.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: Reg That's not true, Pete. I have not said I've
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: I've been the loud loudest voice that what we are
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: doing is not good enough. I've just said from the beginning,
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to hire and fire anybody. I've been
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: critical of Doug when he was here as the coach,
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: and I've praised him when he was the coach. I've
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: been critical of Trent Bulky when he's the coach, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: I've praised him as the I mean as a GM.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: And I've praised him as the GM. I'm never gonna
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: hire a fire that's not my job. I will be critical.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: I thought we missed on free agency. I didn't like
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: where we did certain things this year. I think the
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: results speak for themselves.
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: Not critical. You're not critical at all.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: Keeping a guy who was ultimately responsible for the same
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: thing that got the coach fired, You're not critical of that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: It's the progative of the owner. Let's see, let's see
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: if this plays out.
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: I mean, you can't be critical of it. It is
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: the progative.
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: I don't hire and fire anybody either, and I don't
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: have a team to hire or fire anybody. Sean con does,
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: and I respect Sean kan. I just don't think this
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: is a great, a great way to go about it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 12: That's not how I would go about it. That's all
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: I'm saying. I would not go I would when I mean,
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: when somebody asked that question.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: Ask that question, and that's fair.
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: Who asked? Who asked to clean the house question?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I think I don't remember off the top of my head.
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: And whoever asked that question wasn't talking about the cafeteria workers.
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: They weren't talking about They were talking about the general manager.
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: And when you talk about cleaning house, you mean the
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: general manager and the coach.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: We're come back, I'm gonna ask one I'm gonna ask
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: one question to Pete. We can Pete answer when we
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: get back in the NFL. Who's more responsible for the
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: wins and losses? The head coach or the GM.
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: All right, let me think about it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: Let's talk about that when we come back, because I
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: I want to. I want to dive into that because
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: that's part of like, I'm not trying to dodge anything,
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: and I don't appreciate I love the do ball people.
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: The one thing I'm not is a turncoat. And Pete,
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: you can kiss it, kiss where the sun doesn't shine.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: I've never been paid off, so you can kiss my
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: you know what. And I'll come down there to Southward
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: and beat you beyond recognition.
• 42:12
  Speaker 9: And so.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: No, I trust me. You want to let it go,
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: we can drive your ass up here and let's go.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: We're back in a moment. Wow, wrong one.
• 42:22
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• 42:31
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• 43:01
  Speaker 12: No?
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: First, if if Tony Cobb put Pte and I in
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: the ring for an a W, it would be the
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: most unathletic, unh unlike coordinated arabic there, Like there'd be
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: no like flips and like it'd be like on the
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: ground slow motion like that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: I mean, we can't look. We both lost a bunch
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: of weight. But I need taking my damn shirt off.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: Oh I'm fine, Pete, I'm fine taking the shirt off.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: I'm just not gonna move fast enough where it can
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: I can hurt myself for it, like I can't. It'll
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: be like it would be awful.
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: M right for the bad hip.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: Oh it's not to hip. Some worry about the shoulder.
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: You'd hit my shoulder and I just crumble.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I go down to lift you up over his head.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: There's no way with the shoulder.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: I'd have to lift you like right to my chin,
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: Like hey, Pete, let's go.
• 44:02
  Speaker 12: I got him so, I got him so riled up.
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: In the last second he was driving down.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: I still right now, just a flat street brawl. I'm in.
• 44:13
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: So the question before the question was what is more
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: responsible for wins and losses?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Head coach or GM Pete. What's your answer?
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: The answer to that question to me is always the
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: general manager. And if we always go back to what
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: we say, it's Jimmy's and Joe's and not x'es and o's.
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: And so from that standpoint, I will stand by that.
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: It doesn't mean you don't have to have a good coach,
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: because the player's got to get developed too, and that
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: has been a.
• 44:44
  Speaker 12: Problem in Jacksonville.
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to sugarcoat that, and I'm not going
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: to sit here and defend Doug Peterson and the development
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: of players and the offensive system and everything else.
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: I'm just I'm just not But the ultimately talent wins
• 45:00
  Speaker 12: in this league, and so.
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: It's general manager much more important.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: I disagree, like on tho I think the head coach
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: is the more important position.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, if you know what, if you have bad talent,
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: hold on, let me, or good talent a bad coach,
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: who's gonna have a better team?
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: I think the good coach with uh, I think if
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: I think you have extremes like really good, really bad,
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: but I think good coaching. Good coaching is in the
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: game of football in the NFL more than any other
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: professional sports. The head coach is absolutely critical. And it's
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: also why Pete. Head coaches in this league make probably
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: two x what general managers make.
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: Okay, you have Mac Jones and I have Trevor Lawrence
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: because I drafted him, and your guy drafted and busted
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: out and took Mac Jones.
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: Who's who's going to have a better team? Well, tell
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: me better the coach.
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: Your coach is Bill Belichick in his heyday, and my
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: coaches is uh Doug Peterson.
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: Is your team gonna be better than mine?
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean you're going extreme, so everything else, everything else?
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: So like, okay, I'll give you another like I don't
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: like like call it single players. I'll give you an example.
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: Who's more responsible for Detroit Brad Holmes or Dan Campbell?
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: Brad Holmes. Yeah, because you're crazy. You are nuts.
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: Okay, Who's who, like who made the decision to go
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: get Jared Goff.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: Who's who set the culture, who's at the work ethic,
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: who's at the toughness? Who like Jared Goff was a
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: shell of himself. So you're telling me Brad Holmes fixed
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: Jared Goff.
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: Goff went to a Super Bowl with the rim.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: He was run out of town and he thought he
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: was getting benched when he went and talked to uh
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: Dan Campbell. So you're telling me you'd give Brad Holmes
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: credit for fixing Jared got more than than you, Like
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: you're out of your mind, Like you've lost all respect gone.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Now I'm really.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Driving down or two of Jaguars Happy Hours coming up,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: including fanatics fan questions will go around the league plenty
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: more to comments. Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: You know what is a complete overhaul of the franchise? Okay,
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: we have I think.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: If you look at it, health and wellness obviously up
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: the players, medical, you know, statistics, analysis, scouting, and you
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: know a number of other elements along with you know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: contract administration.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: All of those areas you know, we have.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Really changed improved circling over the last four or five years.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: So to change all of that is almost like suicidal.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: That that you've got eighty five people working on that
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: side and you say I'm gonna get rid of them
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: and find eighty five new people.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: They're gonna be better than that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: You know, that's that's like shooting yourself the fut I mean,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: we need to go to work on something that is broken,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: that needs to be fixed, and continually be improving things
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: that are working.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: That's Jaguars owners shot con earlier today on a Zoom
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: press conference with the media, and it's our two Jaguars
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Happy Hour, JP shatterck, Tony Vasselli, Pete Prisco the second
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Hour presented by Mister Chubby's Wings before the game, after
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: the game, and during the game. We're on Tintinexcel, Jaguars
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: dot Com, Jaguars YouTube. The Jaguars have fired head coach
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Doug Peterson after three seasons. Peterson finished twenty two and
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: twenty nine in the regular season as Jaguars head coach,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: but finished his and you're five and eighteen in his
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: last twenty three games. The Jaguars are now into another
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: coaching search. Owner Shot con will now have his sixth
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: full time head coach in what will be his fourteenth
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: season as the owner coming up in twenty twenty five.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Started with Mike Mlwarkeye for a year, Gus Bradley for
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: four years, Doug Marone for four years, Urban Meyer not
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: even a year, Darryl Bebble was the interim that doesn't count,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: and then Doug Peterson the last three years onto twenty
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: twenty five and beyond with Trent Balky as the general manager.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: He will remain and Trent Balke on his alignment with
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: the head coach moving ahead.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: I think Doug and I were aligned, very aligned and
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: reopened and honest conversations with Doug for three straight years.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: So I don't know that the marriage factor. You know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: this is a situation where you go out and you
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: pick the best person you can pick and you go
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: to work.
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: You roll up your sleeve and go to work.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: Nobody has a crystal ball.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: Mistakes are made in all the time in this business
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: and you got to you gotta self correct.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: And that's Trent Balky Jaguars general managers still on with
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: the team and the con bulkeypresser available at Jaguars dot Com.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Jaguars YouTube from earlier today, JP Shadwick, Pete Prisco, Tony
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Boselli rehashing everything that has happened the day after the season,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: and a lot has happened. Doug Peterson is out. The
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: search begins.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Tony.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: Here we are, Yeah, I mean, I mean Peter. We
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: finished last hour, Pete with the conversation. You know, GM
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: or head coach? Who's more responsible? And I you and
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: I agree on most things about this league, but I
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: just disagree with you on the head coach is the
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: most important hire you can make.
• 50:51
  Speaker 12: Well, let me ask this, Tony.
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: Bill Belichick football coach was undone by Bill Belichick general manager.
• 51:01
  Speaker 12: Do you agree with that?
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: Uh?
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I think that. I'm just thinking, yeah,
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: I think that's right. But I guess my bigger point is, Pete,
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: they're both important. I'm not saying you can do one
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: without the other.
• 51:15
  Speaker 12: But there's no do I believe that there's the question.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: Wasn't that?
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: The question was what one's more important to winning?
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: And the more important the winnings is the head coach
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: and that's why they get paid more. Okay, ask question
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: is more important? Let me ask you a question you
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: had to get rid of. No, okay, let me ask
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: you a question you had to get rid of one guy,
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: Veach or Andy Reid.
• 51:38
  Speaker 12: I get rid of Andy Reid. Forget said that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: Okay, let me ask you another one, Jim Harbor or
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: whoever the gym it's at the Los Angeles Chargers is would.
• 51:58
  Speaker 12: You get rid of would you get rid of my whole?
• 52:00
  Speaker 12: Or Andy Reid? I mean we can go that one too.
• 52:02
  Speaker 12: I mean.
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: No, first of all, the.
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: Guy who found Mahomes, because the guy who found Mahomes
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: is Brett Beach.
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: Well you don't think Andy Reid had anything to do
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: with the picking of uh Mahomes. Come on, Pete, you
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: know better.
• 52:21
  Speaker 12: Listen, go back and listen to all the stories Brett Beach.
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying I say that, but you're telling me
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: they they picked a quarterback without Andy Reid signing off
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  Speaker 7: on it. Come on, Pete, come on, you don't get
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: a pull any Patrick Mahomes.
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: But so so.
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  Speaker 12: But you're saying that the coach is more important than
• 52:39
  Speaker 12: the talent.
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  Speaker 7: No, I didn't say that. First of all, if you
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: do this right, the coaching staff is a part of
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: the evaluation and the picking of the players.
• 52:50
  Speaker 12: But well that's not always.
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: That's how it works at most organizations. I shouldn't say
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: most a lot. So let me let's go through this.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: Let's go through the playoff teams. So you don't think
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: that Dan Campbell has any say and who they pick?
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: You think as your question Brad Holmes just goes to
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: behind a curtain and just picks, like, Okay, Dan, this
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: is who you get. I mean, okay, let go to
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: another one to we know Andy Reid has input. I'm
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: not evenna go there. You don't think Jim Harball has
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: a saying who they picking Los Angeles?
• 53:24
  Speaker 12: Who had the input when you were playing?
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: Well, Tom was everything. He was both right so so
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: but he would But that's a different model, Pete. He
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: was the GM and head coach, and the and the
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: cook and the chief marketing officer and the ways.
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: What's more important than to you as a coach or
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: the general matter of that team.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: So the coach, he's the head coach. As a coach,
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: he set the culture of the standard of what we did,
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: how we did it.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: You can set a standard with with twenty two jps
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: and ate winning.
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  Speaker 7: Pete, You're missing the bigger point.
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  Speaker 14: Wat you're acting like you're acting like these GMS pick
• 54:12
  Speaker 14: guys in a vacuum with no input from the coaching staff.
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  Speaker 8: I'm saying, but ultimately, the GM, if he's the person
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: in the head of the department, he has a decision making.
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: I get that. But you're asking me like Andy Reid
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: or Brett Reach. I'll take Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh or
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: whoever the head the GM at the Chargers is. I'll
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: take Jim Harbaugh. You know, I can go down the list.
• 54:43
  Speaker 12: But that's not what That's not what your question.
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that question which is more important?
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: Which which is ultimately more important for winning talent?
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: No, I didn't say talent. That's not what I said.
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: You're acting like the GM picks the talent all by themselves.
• 54:57
  Speaker 12: He does, he does, he makes a decisions.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who has the veto power? Is what?
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Remember when that was the question, like they asked Tom
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Coffin or Askedhot Gone and Tom wouldn't answer it, and
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Shot had to be asked again.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: He's like, well, Tom, so who would be that?
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: I don't actually know. To Pete's point, this is fair,
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: I actually don't know who had final say between Doug
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: and and Trent. I don't know that, Trent. Did you
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: don't know that, Pete, Trent did you don't know that.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: You're saying that you don't know that?
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Why say that?
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: Okay, tell me what that's a better question, thank.
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: You, JP the general because he's a general manager, you
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: could look at who the players he picked and figure
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: out who picked them.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: So we asked you a question, Well, if that's the case,
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: if if our coaching staff, because I don't know this,
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: if our coaching staff had no say and Doug had
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: no say, okay, yes you are if they were not
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: involved in the process, and did they in their opinion
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: did not matter? Was not uh included in the you know,
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: the weight waiting of who we pick, then that's a
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: problem and that's a change, and like that's not okay.
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: I would disagree with that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 12: I would agree with you.
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: I would tell right like Tuesday, like like that doesn't
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: make sense to me, but.
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: Just like the player personnel directly, but you don't but
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: you don't But he ain't making a decision.
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: But you don't know that, Pete, is my point. You
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: don't know how much input Doug or his staff had.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: I don't either.
• 56:29
  Speaker 12: I don't know I don't. I really am having a
• 56:32
  Speaker 12: hard time bearing you out today.
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: I'm not defending Trent here, Pete. I'm just saying I'm
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: going back to the question. It was a simple question.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: What is more important the head coach or the GM?
• 56:46
  Speaker 12: Well, what's more important is talent than the.
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: Head That's not the question, Pete, is.
• 56:52
  Speaker 12: A question the GM brings the talent in.
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: Okay, let me ask you. Okay, let's go. I'm gonna
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: give it a real Let's go outside the Jaguars, Los Ange,
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: those Chargers. Are they a better team with Jim Horbrough
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: as their head coach then they whoever.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Joe horis the way?
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: Okay? Are they a better head coach this year? Are
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: they improved over last year with Jim Harball as their coach?
• 57:18
  Speaker 12: Yes?
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: Okay, What additions did they make on talent wise? Lad McConkie,
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: Oh well, okay, before we know the Ladd mcconfie.
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: They got rid of a all Pro receiver who can
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: run anymore?
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: Okay, they got They also got rid of a Pro
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: Bowl or borderline Pro Bowl receiver in Mike Williams. They
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: also okay, I'm just I'm just stating they also got.
• 57:46
  Speaker 12: Rid of a second year player who's gotten better.
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: Hold on John.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: They also got rid of Austin Eckler. They're leading back.
• 57:56
  Speaker 12: I ended just another back. J Dobbins sat, Okay, my quite.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: So are they better because they got more talent or
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: they better because Jim Harball came in and changed the
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: culture as the head coach.
• 58:08
  Speaker 12: Well, they're also better because Justin Herbert is healthy. He
• 58:11
  Speaker 12: wasn't healthy last year.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: Pete, you were being disingenuous right now.
• 58:17
  Speaker 12: Rules talent rules the rust. It always will.
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that you're missing my point. I'm hoping
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: that the head coach has like if and I'm literally saying,
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: I don't know, but if I find if I were
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: to find out like the head coach the Doug Peterson
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: his staff had no say and who they were picking
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: and the players that came here, that would be a
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: problem to me, Like that makes no sense.
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: But no saying what like because Coughlin used to have
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: an input from everybody and he'd have the final say
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: and make.
• 58:49
  Speaker 12: The final decision. Okay, So so input is fun.
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: Look, if I'm the general matter to that team, I
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: want every scout, every personnel guy to give me their input.
• 58:59
  Speaker 12: And not be a yes man. I want every coach
• 59:01
  Speaker 12: who's doing the work on their players to give me
• 59:03
  Speaker 12: the input and not be a yes man. And if
• 59:05
  Speaker 12: you think you like a player, tell me I'm going
• 59:08
  Speaker 12: back and doing more work on them. Ultimately I'm making
• 59:11
  Speaker 12: the final decision.
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I agree. I agree with that. I guess
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: it would be interesting, Pete, I don't know the answer
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: to this is of the fifty three guys on the
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: roster of this football team, how many of those players
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: of the whoever were acquired over the last three years
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: when Doug Peterson and Trent worked together. What percentage of
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: those players that came in over that three year period
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: or left? Did Doug Peterson and his staff just violently
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: like we're against and Trent just picked them? Anyways? Oh no,
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: I don't either. It'd be an interesting question, my I
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: guess in a Funk organization that number should be as
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: close to zero as possible.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 12: Well, that's never the case, and that's why you have
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 12: Pete listen.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: I said as close to zero as possible, because if
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: you're doing it, ultimately someone has to make the call.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: I agree with you, Pete. There, but good leadership is
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: finding and figuring out how to get to the right
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: answer together because both of you are in it together,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: and it just doesn't work if you go pick a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: guy that the player that the head that the coaching
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 7: staff doesn't want, or that or the coaching staff gets
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: a guy that the scouting department all the time, I Pete,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: you and I've talked about this. This is where you
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: and I agree. My question is and this is and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: and I'm assuming these are the questions that Sean has
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: asked because as you make these decisions, you'd want this
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: information so you could make an informed decision. I don't
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: have it. Is my point, Pete, is it'd be interesting,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: like because it goes to your point, Pete, this is
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: actually would solve are who's more important? Because if that's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: wildly different, you can't answer the question I'm asking what's
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: more important? The GM where the head coach because they're
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: not on the same page. My point is, my assumption
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: in that question is like there's there's I'm not saying
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: one hundred percent of alignment, because to Pete's point, there's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: never is. There's always gonna be differences, but it's it's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: ninety five and at that point then it's all about
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: that head coach. That head coach is the most important
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: thing in the building.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 12: Well, here's the other part of them. You're you're, you're,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 12: you're right about coach in the GM working together. And
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 12: yet every in a lie, not everyone, but in many of.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: These buildings, they start out working together, and then the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 8: praying start.
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  Speaker 12: Either you have successes get in the way. It's true
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 12: the GM drafts a player.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: And the coach doesn't develop him, and he blames him,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: and then the coaches starts saying you're not getting the talent.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 12: All of a sudden, you have ripped inside the building. Okay,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 12: it happens all the time.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: In this sleep. So that's the reason I'm sitting here
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: making this case that if that happens, and it happens
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: where guys come in together, why not start over again
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 8: so you can.
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  Speaker 12: Avoid that.
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  Speaker 7: Back in a moment. That's that's a fair question. See,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: that's a good I mean, we should let's dig into
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: that when we come back, because that's a I want
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: to unpack that more and it'd be curious to understand,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: and we I guess we'll never know. I'm sure Sean
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: looked into this. How did Trent and Doug work together
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: because I had to go into weighing the decision to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: let one go and not both, because he felt like
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: Trent was doing a good enough job as far as
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: the procurement side of the business, and that really was
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: the coaching side, right, I mean, I mean, that's what
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: that's what the decision sounds like.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: We'll get into that when we come back. We've got fanatics,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: fan questions. A little later, we got to go around
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: the league. We gotta say goodbye for the seat as well.
• 1:03:00
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  Speaker 15: Obviously, it's unfortunate because at the end of the day,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 15: we all had a hand and you know, this season
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 15: and just how the way things have shaken out. I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 15: have a ton of respect for Doug. He's maybe a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 15: better football player, a better man, and you know, I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 15: think he's one of the better coaches who have coached
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 15: in this league. And it's just unfortunate the way that
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 15: things went. But obviously the organization has to make a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 15: decision that they feel his best going forward.
• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: earlier today, and welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, our
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• 1:03:47
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• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Pete Prisco is that in South Florida, we've got fanatics,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: fan questions coming up, but a lot on the plate today.
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  Speaker 12: And by the way, I gotta ask you this, did
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: the quarterback that talk today.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence was not in the locker room during media time.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: I'll say that I don't know if he was in
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: the building or what.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 7: They just very interesting, Pete. It's not what you think
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: he was not. And I'm not going to get into why.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: It's no one's business, but it's not. There's no there's
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: no scandalous story behind it, Pete. Is my point, trust me.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: I'm just telling you, well.
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  Speaker 12: You must have thought it. Then if you found out why.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: No, I didn't even know. He didn't speak until he
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: was told told me why he didn't. So there's nothing scandalous, nothing,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: there's no story, there is my point.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 12: Anybody talk to Doug.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: I don't know, but I don't think so.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe, but I don't know, I don't
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: know the answer to that.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: So what we we ended the last segment. I mean,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: I think I think Pete one of the things. And
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: I get, by the way, your position and it's the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: position of our fans that are not happy that there
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: was not a complete cleaning of the house. I get it.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm getting just attacked right now from all sides,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: from all sides, like I like, I am like attacked
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: because I'm not I am not leading with torches and pitchforks.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: The execution of Trembulk. I mean they, I mean, they
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: people want him gone. They called they called you a turncoat,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: they called me ant, I mean, that's like as bad
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: as it comes. Ieted me and said, I got I
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: got all kinds of things in my ex feed over
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: the last hour and a half peat since we've had
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: the show. And I get it understood. I understand there's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: blood in the water. My point is the evaluation was done,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: and you can disagree with it, but the evaluation done
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: by Sean felt like the area that need to be
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: addressed immediately was the head coach. And I and I fine,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: and I'm not saying that what Trent has done is
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: not is above criticism over the last three plus years
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: he's been here. I'm not saying that at all. I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: mean it's fair to be critical. We have not won
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: enough games and because of that, at the end of
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: the day, that's what we're all judged by in this business, players,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: coaches and GMS, front office people. Owners, that's what we're
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: judged by. And when you don't hit the standard, there's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: demand from the fan base of changing. My only point
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: is is if you look at it, you have an owner.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: While you might not be fully satisfied because the GM
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: is still here made a decision that a lot of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: other teams in similar situations did not and stood pat
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: on their head coach. And it's not like Doug Peterson
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: does not have success and has not done good things,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: but Sean felt like it was not good enough. And
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: I think making these blanket and this is why I
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: had to ask the conversation to Pete. What's more important
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: the head coach with the GM I and I and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: Pete and I agree, by the way, talent is, it's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: Jimmy's and Joe's at the end of the day, and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: who needs be also included in this accountability And if
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: you're a fan, and I've been one of these guys.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: It's the players. You should hold them accountable too. They
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: didn't play good enough. They did not.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 12: But well they didn't do anything good enough.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: That's my point. Pete and and I and so we
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: got it has to be better across the board. And
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: if you listen to Sean's press conference, he's very clear
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: it needs to get better. It's not good enough right now.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: I believe the decision to move into a new head
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: coach direction is going to solve the problem. I'm comfortable that. However,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: if someone brings a better decision or better solution or
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: structure or whatever, I'm wide open because I just want
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: to win. I mean, what else do you want from
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: an owner?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 16: Well, I'm gonna started anew what you could have started
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 16: a new Let's go back to what we were saying
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 16: before the before the break, about the egos and the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 16: friction and the relationships and the GM.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 12: And the coach and the front office being blamed, blaming
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 12: the personnel.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 8: Staff, blaming the coaches for not developing the coaches, blaming
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 8: the personnel staff or not getting them players.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 12: That goes on in every single building. So all I'm
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: saying is Tony.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: When you're starting anew from a if you're starting as
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: a new head coach and you're going into a building
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: and you're being forced to work with somebody who you're
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: not necessarily align with or comfortable with or even know
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: very well, and the whole thing up even more.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: To have problems, not always people, not always.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: We're just gonna come in what because because every guy
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 8: that's ever left that's worked with Trent Falkey has gone out.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 12: Joe it was wonderful.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: Let's see Jim Kelly nor Ball, No Jim Tom Sulla,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: no Urban Meyer.
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  Speaker 7: No, can we know? Can we not include Meyer? I mean,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: Trent Palky did not stay in Cincinnati, and and and but.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: I know, but I know.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: I'm just telling you, like, like set aside. Urban, I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: will let you go with the rest. Urban Meyer stayed
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: behind after Thursday night football to hang out and have
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: his hands wander to areas of a female that is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: not his wife. You can't put that on Trent Bulky.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: That is not No. I've been as critical as anybody
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: of Trent of good, bad and different, and I have
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: a real Himurban Meyer. P that's ridiculous.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: Let's let's take the let's take the little escapade at
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: the bar out of the equation.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 12: He wasn't any good to begin with, was he?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but you're making the assumption that was Trent's higher.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Let's steakhouse is closed.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: By the way, he was part of it, Pete, I
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: think you're making assumptions. I just don't know if it's.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 12: True he was part of it. And so okay, so
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 12: let's just say every guy that's ever worked with him
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 12: has had a problem with him, the coaches, right, that's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 12: the perception, right of course.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: So why why would you subject a new coach and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: a new guy that you're trying to change the culture
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: and like you talk about so having somebody left that
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: was part of the bad culture, than are you?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: Are you?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: Did you like? His point is if just making sure
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: he's done, because I couldn't tell if his internet went
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: out again or if he's done talking.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, I was done.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: I was done.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 12: He didn't want to answer the question.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 9: No, I did not know. That's not at all.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: I thought you froze.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 9: Literally, you know that weird.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: I think that you're that dumb look on your face,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 7: and I thought it was frozen.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: If they're all in it together, then why are they
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: not all out of it together.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: That's a fair question.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: And if it's a team, hey, we're all in this
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: thing together, then why is one person out?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: And that's a big question I think a lot of people.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: Have and that's a fair question. And I don't have
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: a good answer for that, because I think that would
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: have been a good question that shot. I don't know.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: I didn't I wasn't part of the decision making process.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: And I get that. And and by the way, a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: lot of people, not everyone, but a lot of people
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: in the league feel that that the GM and the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: head coach of be in it together. And if you
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: fire one, you fire the other.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 12: Hey. And by the way, most gentle managers don't get
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 12: three coaches.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: They usually get two.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 12: Or or what next? Including two first overall?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: But but just fair and pe that brings up a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: fair point, and it's a fair question, but it's not
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: doesn't happen like that everywhere. Like Howie Roseman up in
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: Philly has been the head coach, been the GM for
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: a lot of head coaches. Three off the top of
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: my head I can think of, and maybe it's more
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: how many is it? How he been the GM for
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: in Philly Pete, Chip uh Nick Sirianni, Doug Peterson, anyone
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: else who was before Chip? Was he the head coach
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: with Howie the GM before Chip.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 12: I think, so I do too. I gotta look at it.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 12: But okay, but he won't he's one Pete.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: I get that. No, no, no, Well, and I think
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: the reason that Trent got so much leeway in San
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: Francisco because with Jim Harborough he went to three NFC
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: championships in the Super Bowl, so he won there.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 8: But if he had just left it alone, if they
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 8: had just stayed together, they would have they would have
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 8: continued to win it probably would have won a super Bowl.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 12: But of course they had to get they had to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 12: start going at each other. I mean, that's the problem.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: I get that, but I'm speaking to the point of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: why is he got more? I think you make a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: fair point. Is I'm actually agreeing with you because most
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: of the time you don't get that many head coaches.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 12: Jim Harball is not the easiest guy in the world
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 12: to work with either.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: He's different, he's a but by the way, he's a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: dang good head coach. Bo j That's another one they
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: did today.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 12: They firmly pointed the finger. Doug Peterson.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: Can't I cannot argue that, Pete. I can't. I can't.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 12: They absolved the general manager.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: I disagree with that. I did not hear him job.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like a glowing endorsement.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: Zoom.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Pete. I don't think that was a
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: glowing endorsement. Like, hey, like I'm happy with everything going on.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, he literally said in the press conference at
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: the end, if someone has like like I'm wide open,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: I want to win. I mean, Pete, you know, I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: mean you you've brought that up as well. Was that
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: not said?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 12: It was said? It was, But he also said he
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 12: might be bringing somebody above.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: Right, He also said that too, So like, I guess
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: my bigger point is, let's all take a deep breath,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: like there's a lot of runway still in front of us,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: a lot of road, a lot of road to travel,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: and so let's get down the road a little bit
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: for or to see how this thing plays out.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: We're, you know, the road that Benn travel has been
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: driven off the cliff by the guy who's still making
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: a decision.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 12: Right over the side.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: Well, wait a second, what guy.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 12: Football decisions? Right now as we speak, who's making the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 12: football decisions.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: Well, head coach picking the head coach of Shot Khan,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: not Trent.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: No, who's making the football decisions for the organization as
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: we speak right now?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 12: Hire somebody, cut somebody who's making those decisions.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: Well, it depends at the level, at some level, I
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: think it still goes through Shot Pete. I think Trent
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 7: is good Like I don't think Shot. I don't think
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: Trent is going to make it. I don't think let's
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: use an example, I don't think Trent has the ability
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: to go trade Josh heinz Allen for somebody else or
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: picks or anything else without Shot signing off on it.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: Of course not but but but again, he's the one
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 8: who's going to make that decision to bring it.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 12: To him, is he not?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Today?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: Yes, that's exactly right.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 12: Yes see.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: And here's something I'm gonna say right now, And I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: said this all season long. When Seod came out and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 8: made the comment about the best team ever put together
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 8: in Jaguars history, whether he said that in history or
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: since he's been here, that information came from the general manager.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 12: And when it comes from the general manager, who's ultimately
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 12: behind and who's.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 8: Ultimately responsible doesn't work well, it played out exactly that way.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 12: It didn't work.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: And who got fired not the guy who had the
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: talented roster, the best in the history of mankind. They
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: got fired was the coach and not the general manager.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: You're right about that, and you and I have talked
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: at length on the show. We both disagree with the comment,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: whether it's looking at the history of the Jaguars or
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: even just in SHOT's been the owner. I don't think
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: I said this before going into the season. I didn't
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: think this was the most talented roster.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 12: Well where did jod get that from?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: I don't again, Pete. The only the only thing I
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: claimed it wasn't him I know is Doug didn't tell.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 8: Him that because because because no coach is ever going
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 8: to put himself with the bullseye.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 12: We got the most talented team we've ever had. You
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 12: win four games out the door.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it was Trent or maybe it
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: was somebody on Trend's team. I don't know who said it. Pete.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: I really don't let's come back.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: Because I got a plot of land in the middle
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: of the ever Glady, you might be interested in buying
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 8: the same things.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 12: Come on.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: You know who said it. I don't.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: It's waterfront property though.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: Pete, because a lot of around a good view.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Snakes close to wildlife.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: Back in a moment, Fanatics fan questions when we return,
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• 1:17:54
  Speaker 17: It's definitely something that me personally, I don't want to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 17: hear that thing. He's a great coach. He's not some
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 17: great things at his organization, and he's a great guy,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 17: great coach. Like I said, I won't wish that on anyone,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 17: but you know his life. We all faced with obstacles
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 17: in life and we just got to keep going.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker in the locker room today his reaction to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: the Doug Peterson firing earlier.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 1:18:17
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• 1:18:22
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  Speaker 3: we put the catcall out earlier on Acts. Here's the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: best we've come up with at coach K Sowers. Do
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: you think Brian Thomas Junior saved Balky's job?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: I do not.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 9: No, I do not, So he did not.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 12: But you could go back and say this guy to
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 12: this guy, have gotten a fired and you don't do that.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: So no, did not save it? Here can I?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: And this isn't just a Trent issue or about Trent.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: This is overall anyway like I would love and I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 7: don't know the answered this. Where do you think Brian
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 7: Thomas Jr. Was on their board as far as receivers?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: Mhm? Was he their top guy? Or was there's no
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: chance Neighbors above him or whoever?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah it was.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 12: It was probably like everybody else in the league. They
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 12: probably had Harrison and Neighbors.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: He was probably fourth.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 12: A doonsday was ahead of them, I mean most likely.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: I mean okay, but let's say they'll never admit that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: they won't. Okay, let's guy. Let's say they had him
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: really high and you knew he was going to be
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: this good. Then would your risk trading down three times?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 12: No, got all those extra picks for next year?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: Okay, let me go back one more, let me go,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: did you hit new GM will use what they bring him.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: Let me go back one more thing. If you knew,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: like here's their thing, we would have never drafted Brian
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: Thomas Jr. If Calvin Ridley at the twenty third hour
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: didn't take a deal from the Titans because he was
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: coming signing here.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 12: And yet you just sit there and defend the hell
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 12: out of the decision to keep the guys.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: I'm not I'm just saying this is the big My
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: whole point is, this isn't about Trent, It's the whole league.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: Is no pete, it's not. I'm making the case that
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: you have to look at the whole thing from the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: whole league. Sometimes teams luck into I'll give you another
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: example of Baltimore Ravens, who's one of the best organizations.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 7: Ozzy Smith one of the best gms. He's a shortstop
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: short for the Cardinals. Ozzie Newsom, one of the great
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: gms in the history of this league. John Harball, great
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: head coach, the new GM under Er Costa other really
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: good was groomed under Ozzie. Great front office, great organization.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: I love how they do it. They have an identity,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: know who they are. They draft people they drafted so
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: you think they knew Lamar Jackson was gonna be Lamar
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: Jackson drafting thirty first, thirty second. No, if they did,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: they would have traded up and figured out. Now, I'll
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: give the Chiefs credit because they had conviction that Pat
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: Mahomes was gonna be Pat Mahomes, and they traded to
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: go get them. The Ravens were fortunate. Now what they
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: once they got him, what they did a great job
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: of doing is building a system that helped him develop
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: and took advantage of his skills early. My point is,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: do you think Bill Belichick that Tom Brady knew Tom
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: Brady was gonna be the greatest quarterback ever?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 12: They got lucky.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 9: They got lucky.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: He was a sixth rounder. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: the ball.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Bounces your way.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying, Pete.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but you also go spend a boatload of money
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 8: in a bunch of free agents that they'll I'm not.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: I'm not talking about this year, Pete. I'm I wasn't
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: even talking about.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 12: Talking in general. I'm talking about this team.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: This team. I'm not.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: I was just talking about in general. Like I always
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: loved that these fans and US talking heads make these
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: comments like, oh, did Brian Thomas saves job? Like, hold on,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: I think we got a little bit fortunate.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Little detailed.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Didn't the Ravens trade back up to thirty second to
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: get that last pick in twenty eighteen?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 12: I think they did, Pete, didn't somebody pass on on
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 12: Mr Jackson?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: Everybody did that. Everyone did a certain.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 12: Team when there were a certain team that passed on
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 12: them right before that.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of picks before got a big defensive tackle.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: My point is, I don't know if they traded back
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: up in or not. I think they did.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it now.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: My point is the pointment if they thought he was
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: going to be a three time MVP, they would have
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: got up to five. Everyone would have. That's my my
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: only point.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 12: I mean you yeah, no, you're right, You're right. You
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 12: get lucky in the draft. Something you can do all
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 12: the evaluation.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: That's my old boy, Pete. Like free agency is different
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: because you have a body of work the drafts sometimes,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: and Pete you know this as well as anybody, because
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: you crap out all the time in the drafts as
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: I do, of making like these statements.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 12: Everybody craps out every crap out everyone does.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's rolling the dice.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: By the way I did the Ravens game Saturday, I'm
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: looking at their offensive line, like six of the eight
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: guys that were on the roster or all drafted.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a philosophy. That's why I loved him. They
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: do it the right way. If I was gonna be
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: critical about anything, it's like, why haven't we developed offensive
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: linemen here? Now? Am I just pointing a finger at Trent. No,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: that's picking and developing, that's coaching and scouting. That's both.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: We have not done a good enough job there.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: Next question on x Fanatics fan questions love Tony, but
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: he's a mouthpiece for the Jags. Pete is the only
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: voice of reason. My question is what has Trent Balky
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: accomplished that has made the team better?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: How did I go to over turncoat mouthpiece Pete. Pete's
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: making accusations. I'm getting paid off today.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 12: I got a bonus. They're taking they're taking, you're taking
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 12: you down. I'm not a ceremony. It's coming down.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: If you don't talk, well, I just don't say that
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: I've got a bonus, because then my wife is gonna
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: be like, where's the money you got paid for all this?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: Pete said, you got paid. I ain't get paid anything.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 12: And you know what, she'd probably rather have the rig
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 12: of honor thing come down than not get the bonus.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: True. True, I don't appreciate the mouth like, you know what,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: Let me say this, the question is yeah, I'll let
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: Pete answer it to be clear to everyone who's saying
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: I'm a turncoat mouthpiece or anything else. Just to be clear, No,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: I know I'm I'm going to lean in and towards
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: defending this organization. And if you haven't figured that out yet,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: then you're not very smart. I love this place. I
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: work for this place. I believe in this place, and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: I want this place to be great. I think seot Cohn,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: I don't agree with everything, like has he got everything right? No,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: but I think he's one hell of an owner and
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: I think we're very fortunate to have him as an owner.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 12: And I would agree with that.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: So like, if you want to call me a job,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: by the way, this is the best job in the NFL,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: and I will say that I think it's still the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: best job with Trent Bulk is the gym and I've
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: disagreed with trendon times I've agreed with him. I mean,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: nobody's perfect, but if you like, just so you know,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: if you're gonna listen to the show, and so you
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 7: can stop texting or tweeting or exing or posting stupid stuff.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: It's not me being a turncoat. I'm not getting paid extra.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: I work for this organization. I love this organization, and
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: when it comes that the chips are on the table,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: I'm going to bat for this organization because I believe
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: in it and I believe we will win a championship
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  Speaker 7: here and I'm going to be a part of it
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  Speaker 7: when it happened.
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  Speaker 12: So and you know me, I'm gonna tell it like
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 12: it is, and I'm telling it like it is.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 7: But Pete, I'm telling, and Pete, I love it. I'm
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: telling how I'm telling you, and I could be wrong
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: and I could have two colored glasses on, no doubt
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: about it. I've been called the sunshine pumper. I've been
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: called all kinds of things in this We.
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  Speaker 2: Left that one out to that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just right.
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  Speaker 2: That's for the morning I usually get.
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  Speaker 12: I usually get that one too.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: I'm just telling you give it to you.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I got a few more questions. You're gonna have
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: been pretty.
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  Speaker 7: Cool, but answer Peter Ye, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Question, what is Trent Balky accomplished that has made the
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: team better?
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  Speaker 12: Look, he's he's done some good things. Brian Thomas is
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 12: one of them.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: There are Walker Walker Little, the Walker Little deal. Look
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: that turned out to be a dang good deal based
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: on the market.
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  Speaker 12: We'll see how he plays for full season. Don't you
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 12: can't just say three games. It's a great deal.
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  Speaker 7: He's getting paid. He's getting paid thirteen million dollars year,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 7: a thirteen million dollars starting to tackle.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 12: Okay, what if he goes into he's a turnstile that.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: He's not gonna be that give me a break, Pete?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: All right, next question at way too fun shway, Please
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: ask Pete to unblock me.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It's been ten years.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 12: What did he do?
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 7: What did he do?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 12: Look, I'll find him. I'll find out why I blocked
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 12: me out. Probably unblocked.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: Wow, unblocking Pete. Don't be such a curmudget it's you
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 7: trigger finger, Pete. Pete will block you in a second.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, I love watching Pete.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: I'm not listening to your garbage unless you want to
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 8: talk football and give me crap about football.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 12: But if you're gonna get nasty, you're going.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 7: I love it. Next question ask you, peach, I should
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: I should I block a bunch of people call me
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: turncoat and everything else?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 12: Not unless the truth hurts.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: Wow sensitive or you would I guarantee you Pete would
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: be blocking people based on the ex post.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I got to probably show and I will not block
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: any of you.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: I love y'all to We have had.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: A draft and developed problem for decades. How do you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: fix that?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: It's a good it's a that's a that's a whole show.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: That's a whole show. So like we don't have time,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: but y and it goes back.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 12: And it goes back to what we said earlier in
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 12: the year, Tony who got better?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: So you staff, you have to I'm gonna say this
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: about the development. You have to be purposeful. It doesn't
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: it doesn't happen. You have to be purposeful. You have to.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: You have to take advantage of the time you have
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: under the cb A. You have to structure it. I
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: mean it has to be like from everything you do
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 7: on the field, off the field, in the weight room,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: nutrition development, like you have to maximize your time, and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: you gotta have a like you have to be very
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: detail oriented and planned for it. And I just don't
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: think we've done a great jot.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: Other teams do it. Yes, other teams have success to
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: developing and drafting, getting guys better.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 12: I'm just I'm just glad. I'm just glad that they're
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 12: not getting rid of anybody in the cafeteria to clean house.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 12: That's all that. And by the way, I heard de Rocco.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Asked that question, it was that'll do it. That's fanatics,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: fan questions for the day. We had plenty of submissions today.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: These are the ones we can air. I'm kidding.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 12: Keeping he deserves it.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony will not block anybody.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: I'm not gonna. I will not. I will not block
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: any of You can say all the bad things you
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: want to say about me. I don't care.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: We'll come back in a moment and take a look
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: at the playoff schedule. Yes, it's wild Card week coming up.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: We'll get to those games. Yeah, and we we have
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: to say goodbye, Yes we do, and get We've already
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: said goodbye to Tony. His microphone's off. This It's Jaguar's
• 1:29:39
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• 1:29:46
  Speaker 18: I'm gonna move back inside, uh next year. That was
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 18: That's gonna be my plan. You know, that was uh
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 18: what I wanted to do, you know this season.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: As well too. But you know there's there's situations that
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: you have to deal with.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 9: You know, in this league.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 18: And yes, I'm a switch back inside, which was what
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 18: I wanted to do this season. And I'm a bet
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 18: back playing to you know, elite player that I know
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 18: I can be.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: It's Eric Armstead in the locker room during clean out
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: day today, wants to move back inside.
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  Speaker 7: Can we talk about that clip right there?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 7: Because Pete, did you hear what Eric arms is dead?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 12: He wants to move back inside.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 7: Nobody, I'm fine with what he said. He wants to
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: play inside next year. I'm still trying to figure out
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: he said he wanted that he wanted to play inside
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: this year, right like so who made them play outside,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: because we thought, like you and I both thought, because
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: this is what kind of we were told it was
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: Trent that, but it sounds like it was the coaching
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: staff wanted them outside well, and and.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 12: Part of the reason was because, like you said, all year,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 12: they didn't have anybody. Maybe had a necessity, but he
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 12: should have pushed back harder on that. I'm not a man,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 12: I'm a defensive interior.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 7: Out of like, out of everything we've talked about today,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: that was the most shocking comments of the weekend.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Back he was saying it earlier in the locker room,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: and I was like, this sounds weird. So you mean
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: you're gonna move inside or outside? I asked him, and
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: that was the answer.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: It's like, honestly, the most fascinating thing I've heard. I'm like,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 7: wait a second, I thought you wanted to be outside
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 7: or Trent puts you outside, or like it sounds like
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: the coaches were making you play outside, Like what?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 12: So was the whole staff relieved their duties today?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: By the way, I don't know, because Pete, I don't
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: know the official because I mean, for everyone listening, the
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: only thing we know is that Doug was let go.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 7: The rest of the coaches are still under contract, so
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 7: it's the team's discretion to keep them under contract while
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: they go look for a new head coach. That the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 7: new head coach can keep guys if he wants to
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: keep them.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 12: So some of those guys have three years on their deal, so.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: They have two years left just in defense offensive staff.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, well some of them will have expiring contracts.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: Though, well I know two for sure of expiring contracts
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 7: on offense, right right.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 8: So that was never a good situation to begin with.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 8: That's a whole other issue. But I just I'm curious
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 8: to think, like, who would like the special teams have
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 8: been great?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe you keep I'd keep Heath for sure.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 7: My recommendation to a head coach coming in a new
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: head coach is I would definitely interview Heath and I'd
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: keep Heath if I was you. I think he did
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 7: an outstanding jobs, a great job.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the wild card we can really quick.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: I want to say good bye.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's get through the games fast. We'll just pick
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: them real quick. Chargers at Texans, it's the four thirty
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: Saturday game.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: Chargers.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 12: Charge Chargers. They always put the AHD South at four
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 12: thirty on Saturday.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 7: Must we play because we played at night against the Chargers?
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did did?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: So keep the Steelers at the Ravens at eight o'clock.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: Steelers stink right now?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 17: Uh.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Sunday one o'clock. Broncos at the Bills.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: Bills, Bills.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Sunday four thirty. The Packers at the Eagles.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 7: Who Eagles. It's a good game.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 12: I wish, I wish, I wish Watson wasn't hurting out
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 12: for the year. But I'm gonna take I took the
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 12: Packers before the season. I'm sticking with him. Hurts is
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 12: coming off concussion that worries me, and he hasn't been
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 12: cleared yet.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this could be one of the best games of
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: the entire first time the Commanders. Commanders at Buccaneers. I'm
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: going Bucks.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 12: I'm going Bucks. Last one with the full wins the.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: Middle Bucks pinball football coming up in Tampa. And then
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: Monday night the Vikings at the Rams.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: I think the Rams win because I think the Vikings
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 7: are going to be down emotionally after a tough game
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: against the Lions. It was physical, they lost. It was
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: closer than the score because they didn't execute in the
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: red zone. But I think I think a little bit
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: of wind is out of their sales not getting that
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: one seed. And I think the I think Sean McVay
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: has done a great job. I think the Rams win.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 12: I think the Rams win two. And are we seeing
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 12: Sam Darnell become Sam Darnald.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: I don't think so, Pete. I think that's just a
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: good It was a good football team, two good teams
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: on the road, and they said in executing the red
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: zone and he overthrew guys in the red.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Zone, that's fine.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 12: What if he doesn't play, if he doesn't play.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: Well this week, well then that's a different story.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: So now we're back to that. Okay, that's all. It takes.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: One playoff game, one playoff games all take dude, it's
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: what have you done for me lately? In this league?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: Especially paid, especially if you're a quarterback. Somebody will pay him, yeah,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 12: Oh yeah, the Vikings will pay them.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 7: But here there's the difference. If he can go take
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 7: this team to the NFC title Game or let alone
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: or Super Bowl, he gets paid fifty. If he lose
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: Round one, he might only get paid thirty.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 8: He's going to get at least Baker Mayfield deal plus inflation,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: so he's at least going to get thirty seven.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: Okay, but my point is if he goes to the
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: NFC Championship game or Super Bowl's getting fifty plus.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah, maybe, yeah, probably.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: All right, this is our last show. We're not having
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: one next week.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 12: This is it.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: And I don't know how many years we've been doing
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: this show, but it's been a pleasure to be back
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: with you guys again.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: We've done it a long time, gosh, a long time.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 8: And I mean we've been doing it so long that
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 8: when Tony first started, he used to criticize the team,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 8: and now he's just the turn coke working for the team.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: My god, we've got full circle.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: Pete.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 12: We really have had to cut off the callers because
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 12: he was mad.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: That's right, lean he was mean, Pete. I love you,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: always will even when you're wrong. Even when you're wrong, Pete,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: which is often on this show.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 12: What happened to our show next week?
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I thought we were doing They banged it.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 7: We're not doing. They said they don't want to hear
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: from us, enough of us.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Shut these guys down. That's what it is. Pete, what
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: do you got for the playoffs? He's in the studio.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 12: I'm in studio all the whole time. And then I'll
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 12: be at the super Bowl. You going to super Bowl, Tony.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll be down there during the week, Pete, I
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: got some stuff. I'm not gonna stay for the game.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna get out of there, but I'll well, I'll
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: be there during the week. So we're going to dinner.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 12: Yeah, just promise if I call you a turncoat, you
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 12: don't hit me.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there could be a fight on the streets of Pete.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: First of all, you know I love you more than
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: I love you like a brother. I've never hit you.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: And even when I know, even when you're a dummy
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: and say stupid things, it just puts a smile.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 12: I just want to know who got into your body today.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know he walked it. Later, I'm like, who
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: is this guy?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 7: I don't know who it is. Pete. I'm the same
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: every day, every day.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 12: You're not something something happened.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: Nothing happened, Pete. Last show, last week's show, in this show,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: no last week. I was evaluating what was in front
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 7: of us. I've said, Pete, is this not true, but
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 7: I not always said I will never hire or fire
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: anybody on the show. That's not my job and.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 12: Nobody's asking you to. But you you had a different
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 12: to JP didn't have a different tones.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: It was a a little different tone.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 12: Heat Turn is going to be on Twitter.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 7: That's better than sports coaches.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Great year, guys, Pete Risco, Tony Vasselli. I'm JP Shatterick.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: Thanks to our entire cruise, Joe Fortunado, David Joe, Brent Reaver,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: all the social media people, all the behind the scenes
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: on digital and on radio. Thanks to you for listening
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: and contributing all year as well all our listeners out there.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: This is Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mister Chubby's Wings