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is looking like so far, and what our expectations are with regard to Danny
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Briere the front off this how things are going to be moving along for this
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upcoming season. We've got a great guest, can't wait to talk to her.
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Let's get right to it. It is great to have her back on
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into any details about those folks. But Kelly, it's great having you here
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to get into the Flyers. But I really wanted to talk about the Stanley
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Cup Finals right off the bat here the Panthers and the Oilers. As of
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us recording this folks, the Panthers they won their first game of the series,
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and I think at the end of the day, the Panthers are going
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to beat the Oilers four two in this series. That's my prediction here.
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They just have a suffocating team defense that really squeezes the life out of their
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opponents, and I'm not sure the Oilers are going to have an answer for
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that necessarily. So I just want to get your take here. You know,
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what are your thoughts on who wins the Stanley Cup Finals here? And
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what do you think the series is going to be from a record wise standpoint?
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How do you think it all like turns out the end. Yeah,
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it's interesting because I feel like everyone's saying Anthers, and you said Panthers and
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six. I feel like Panthers and six is a pretty a pretty popular choice.
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It's interesting because game one, the Oilers, by the numbers, outplayed
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the Panthers. Yes, I think that they had four expected goals. One
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of the smart people, I think I saw a posted that they got goalid
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in the first game. Sarah Gai Bobrovski was out of his mind. And
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on top of that, the Oilers third pair of Cody CC and Darnell Nurse
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is a disaster, and I believe that they've made some adjustments. I don't
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think that CC is going to be in Game two, so they're making some
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adjustments on defense. So that third pair I think was responsible for directly responsible
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for at least two of the goals against Yeah, in that game one.
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So it makes me think that it might be a little bit more even of
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a series than people are giving the Oilers credit for. And you have to
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remember that they have a guy who is so good that he could at any
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point just decide, Okay, we're not losing, right, and then he
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just wins the games by himself. So yeah, I mean, like my
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I want the Panthers to win. I like them. I think they're a
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really fun team. They have really fun players on their team. They play
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a style of hockey that I think I would enjoy the Flyers playing when they're
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good. Yeah, so it's hard not to be rooting for the Panthers,
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but I I don't know. For some reason, I kind of feel like
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the Oilers might do it, and I can see it. I honestly,
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I can see you know. I mean, look, we know and conventional
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wisdom tells us that during the playoffs and postseason, just about anything can happen
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for any team. Sparks can be lit at the most unbelievable times during a
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game, certain players can get hot. We know this as hockey fans,
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so it's not out of the role of the possibility that the Oilers pull this
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off. Now here's the thing, though, if plays like he played in
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Game one, like nothing else really matters. Like that's the thing about goalies,
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when goalies go off in the playoffs, Like I feel like we've seen
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this time and time again that sometimes a goalie can just be the thing that
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wins you the entire cut, you know, bring you the entire thing.
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Like if he was so good in Game one, that if he keeps that
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up, the Oilers might just not be able to solve him, and it
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might not matter how good they play, It might not matter how much they
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outplay Florida. If Bob stands on his head the way that he did,
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I don't know, if you watched the whole he was looking like Domini Kashak
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in Game one. It was out of control. He was insane, like,
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if he keeps that up, I don't know that they can stop that
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one particular thing. I think that the but everything else being equal, the
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Oilers I think could beat the Panthers. But if they can't figure out Bobrovski
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and they couldn't do that in game one, then you know that's it for
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them. And some of the most athletics saves that you've ever seen in your
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life. Flying Yes, fun hockey for sure. Stanley Cup Finals always fun
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hockey, Always fun hockey. But let's talk about some hockey that that we're
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hoping can get fun down the road, and that's Flyers hockey exactly. Look,
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there was a great article on broad Street Hockey dot com this past week
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summing up the year end press conference from the front office. Keith Jones,
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Dan Hilferdy. They were, you know, talking to the press just about
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continuing to build upon the culture that was really formed this past season. Kelly
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and they talked about the transparency in fact that they've implemented as well. A
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lot a lot of organizations like to talk about how transparent they are, blah
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blah blah. I think we really did see some of that, and I
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think the team probably saw a decent amount of that this year as well as
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fans. It was difficult to of course trust the previous regime because they were
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so completely tone deaf constantly. Things really do, though, Kelly, appear
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to be different now. So how do you describe the vibes here this offseason
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as the Flyers front office really looks to continue building that culture. And I
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don't know if you want to dive into like what that culture you think is
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actually going to really start looking like more and more? Yeah, I mean
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the culture thing is difficult because it's like that's such an undefinable thing. It
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is, what is it? I don't know. I mean, ultimately,
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the only culture that really matters is winning, Like we just want you to
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win. It's like cool if you guys are all friends, cool if everybody
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works hard, but like, at the end of the day, we just
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want a hockey team that wins a lot of hockey games. The press conference
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though, and I think about this a lot, like I'm a real mark
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for this kind of stuff, Like I love the Flyers, I love this
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organization. I'm a very easy sell for these guys. And you're optimistic every
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year. Yeah, I mean, and Dan Helferdy is. I mean,
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he's in the position that he's in because he's real good at selling people on
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what they want to hear. And so while logically I understand that, like
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this is a man that's a master at his craft as far as talking to
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people and crafting a message and selling a product, I really trust that dude.
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Man. I like him. He seems like a genuine person. I
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think he really actually is a hockey fan. I was talking to this about
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this with Charlie the other day, Like no one's ever going to get at
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to get to mister Snyder, Like no one's ever going to be that.
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It's impossible, it's never going to happen. Like he made the team,
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this was his baby, he owned it all by himself, Like he's it's
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never going to be that again. Yep, we all know that. But
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this right now is the closest I've ever felt to it being like that,
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in the sense that I feel like the guys in charge of this hockey team
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really really care about not just the product on the ice, but the organization
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as a whole, and I feel like they really want to do right by
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us as fans. That's what I'm talking about with culture. To be honest,
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I can't Yeah, the way that you just said that, that's what
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I'm talking about with culture. You know, it's not necessarily what you were
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talking about before. All the guys are friends behind the scenes in the locker
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room. Outside the locker room, they're going to dinner together, they're hanging
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out of each other's houses. It's not just that type of culture, but
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it's exactly what you just described. Yeah, And it just I just feel
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really good about the hands that the team is in right now, are in
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right now, and the direction of the franchise. It just feels right to
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me. Yes, And that press conference I think was just another extension of
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that. Were being open and honest, they were answering the questions that were
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asked of them. I mean, it's impossible not to like Keith Jones.
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It's just everything just feels really good. And as of this moment, they've
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not given me a reason not to trust them, and so until they give
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me a reason, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna. I'm all in with
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with these guys. I really like them. I like everything that the front
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office has done so far. There haven't really been. I mean, like
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the biggest misstep for me is like maybe you gave Nick Sealer one too many
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years? Like is that the biggest mistake is that, like gonna is it?
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You know? Am I gonna be out on this front office because they
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need Nick Sealer for years? Probably? Yeah? Yeah? So it for
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now? I just I really feel like the teams in good hands. I
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think there there are a bunch of people that really care about getting this organization
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back to where it used to be, and I, as of now,
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I think that they can do it. So here's hoping, right, all
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right, Absolutely, here's hope. And well, let's get into some questions
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here, Kelly about this off season for this Flyers team and organization. Looking
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also at what certain talent might look like this coming year. And there's a
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guy that's really been on my mind for some reason. I'm not sure why,
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but I do wonder if Travis Sandheim might be able to take a step
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forward this coming year. And I know it sounds a little bizarre, Like
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I said, I keep going back and forth in my head about whether or
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not this is even possible here. I mean, after Walker was traded,
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Nick Sealer was out due to his injury, more of a workload as we
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saw, it just fell on Travis Sanheim. I mean, he seemed when
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that happened just to be less dynamic. He didn't have the offensive energy that
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we saw prior to the trade deadline. So I don't know why I've been
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thinking this with Travis Sanheim, but do you think it's possible that we could
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see him taking some steps forward this coming season? And if so, what
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might that look like? So I think that we learned that Travis Sanheim,
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i'm is not a stud number one defenceman, right, none of us ever
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thought that he was, right, So like this, there's no disappointment there.
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He is, however, I think, a very good number two,
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and he's been handling being the best defenseman on the team in a pretty pretty
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good way. I mean, like I was just pulling up the stats while
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you were talking. He went from twenty three points in eighty one games last
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year forty four points in eighty one games this year. Like that's a pretty
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hefty step. I don't really know if we should expect too much out of
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him offense wise, because I mean, forty four points for defenseman is pretty
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good. I just got But I do kind of think that maybe this year
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was him getting used to this heavier workload that was placed on him after Provarov
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left and with Walker gone and all that stuff, and maybe next year,
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you know, he's in a bit better shape, Maybe he's a little bit
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stronger, he's a little bit more used to playing these kinds of minutes every
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night. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to see him
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get better defensively. Yeah, maybe you know, a few more points here
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and there, But I was on the whole really happy with what we saw
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out of Travis Sanheim last season. I do wonder really quick, if you
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don't mind me saying like I do wonder how this correlates with what we were
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just talking about with the culture of the team. When you have players and
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talent that do take their game to the next level, it does help with
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the quote culture. Might he be more of a leader? Might he be
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more of the go to guy when they need it? And because of previous
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successes, he's able to put that on his shoulders. Perhaps, And that's
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where I was kind of coming from with this question right after talking about the
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culture, is whether or not Travis Sandheim can move things forward in another type
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of direction, maybe even from a cultural standpoint. I think so. I
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mean, like it's weird to think about, but like Travis Sanheim is at
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this point one of the vets on this seam is he is one of the
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veterans in the locker room. Stands to reason that a lot here for years.
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I know a lot of these younger guys probably look up to him,
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and he is from everything that I've heard, like as an extremely hard worker.
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Yeah, Like I think I forget who it was that described him this
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way. Is like the teacher's pet at like Flyers practices like he's the hardest
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worker. He's the guy picking up the pucks, like he's the guy like
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he's never taking, Like you're never going to not get one hundred and ten
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percent out of Travis Standheim. And having guys like Cam York and Jamie Drysdale
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be able to look at a guy like that and be like, Okay,
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yeah, I want to be like that guy. Yes. Like as a
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cultural thing, like that's very good because I think we saw last season that
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if the fly if this version of the Flyers, if this transitional version of
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the Flyers is going to be good, it requires them to work harder than
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the other team every single night, like that's the only way they're going to
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do it. Yeah, and that's why we saw them fall off, I
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think at the end of last season because they are just exhausted. They nothing
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left in the ten. Yeah. So seeing a guy like Travis Sanheim put
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it all out there every single night, then Cam York puts it out there
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every single night, then Jamie Drysdale puts it out there every single night.
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Because they want to also be a guy that takes twenty three minutes a night,
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like, you know, they want to get to where he is.
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So I think you're right that maybe not even a vocal leader, but just
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a lead by example kind of guy. I think it's really good to have
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a guy like Travis Sanheim around, Absolutely really really really good that Kevin Hayes
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talked Tory Krugean and not waving is no move because you know, it's it's
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really good that we have Trevis Sanham and we need it is it is?
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Yeah, absolutely all right. Well, moving along with a conversation here,
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I think conventional wisdom is telling us fans that the Flyers are likely not going
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to be players in free agency because of KAP limitations. But Danny breerra surprised
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us in the past with some of the moves that he's made, some unexpected
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moves here and there during a short tenure. Look there, we know there's
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just way too many guys that need to be paid who actually aren't playing for
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this Flyers team and organization. As frustrating as it is, I can't see
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them Kelly making a quote big move. But I'm wondering if you've thought about
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any interesting scenarios where Danny Brier could possibly surprise US fans here in free agency.
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I don't really think we're gonna get surprised. Okay, they're definitely not
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going to go after any big ticket guys. I could see them maybe going
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out and signing a cheap center for one or two one or two years,
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yeah, just because they're so thin at center right now, and that would
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be fine, like as long as they're not locking anybody up for some long
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term contract. But I just don't I can't see it happening. Like I'm
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just gonna I'm looking through things right now, like bellmar is a free agent
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this summer and he's on a league men track, Like that's the kind of
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guy that I could see them picking up just to have, you know,
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a functional, warm body that they can play on their third line at center
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because they don't have anybody else like that. That's the kind of free agent
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moves I think we're going to see out of Brier. I think they mentioned
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bringing Eric Johnson back, which I don't know why. I don't know why
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we need to warm body. Maybe I don't know. He seems he seems
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like a good dude, but like I don't know, he was real bad
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whenever he was on the ice last year. So yeah, I don't know
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why we need him back. But I mean, if he's going to be
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like the seventh defenseman that says in the press box most nights, like if
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he's going to be the Eric or the un Mark Stall the season, like
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that's fine. Yeah, but yeah, Like those are really the only kind
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of moves I can see them making a free agency, Like I figure they'll
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be signing guys in like August, Like they're not going to be taking any
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of the July one big name. I don't think we're gonna get any real
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surprises this season, which honestly is for the best. You don't need any
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surprises. Absolutely it is for the best again, folks talking to Kelly Hinkle
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And as we're moving along here a couple more topics I wanted to get
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into with you, Kelly. The Flyers have said that their plans are not
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going to be changing at all this offseason if Metve Mitchikov does in fact make
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it over here to the United States and to this Flyers organization. And I
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gotta tell you, I like a lot of folks too. I like this.
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They have a vision. They have that vision that they want to execute.
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I don't think Danny Brier is, you know, getting the old nervous
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feels here. Oh what do we gotta do if Mitchikov comes over here?
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Steady? The course, I like it. Wondering what your thoughts are about
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how they're going to be kind of addressing the off season based on whether or
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not Mitchkov does actually come over here to the US and to this Flyers team
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or or or not. You know, what are your thoughts here about just
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how they're the planning of it is, and again, not wanting to change
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their plans at all based on what they've said to us, So that would
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be one surprise. That would be pretty nice. It would be surprise.
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Yeah, I I don't think that they should adjust because I think that one
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thing. I think most Flyers fans have this in their head. But I
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just really want to like drive it home just in case, Like Matt Fay,
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Mitchkoff, as good as he is and as good as we're hoping he's
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going to be, is not going to step onto the NHL ice for the
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first time and be Alexander A. Vutchkins like he's a child. He's never
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played in North America before to get to by the way, Yeah, not
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sure how good his English is. Like these are all things that we have
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to think about. Like Mitchkoff is going to take some time to get wherever
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he's going to be. They need to figure out who he is chemistry with
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how his game looks. I'm sure John Tortorella is going to make him earn
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whatever it is that he gives him, because it's John Tortorella. Like he's
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not gonna just give Mitchkoff for first nine minutes out of nowhere. So like
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even if Mitchkoff, if Mitchoff gets here tomorrow, the Flyers still aren't a
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Stanley Cup team next season, Like there's no amount of moves that they could
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make around eighteen year old matt Vey Mitchkoff coming over here right and making the
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team next season, Like, they're still not going to be there. So
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it makes sense for them to continue to, as you said, execute on
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this plan that they've clearly made and not get crazy and start trying to like
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sign free agent centers and like try to stack the team for next season because
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Mitchkoff's going to be here. Mitchkoff is not going to be what he's going
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to turn into, yeah, in his first season, Like we're gonna have
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to. And I hope that people give him some grace and I think that
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they will, because everyone's already obsessed with him, Like he's going to take
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some time to get into the NH And so it doesn't make get any sense
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really for them to change whatever plan they have just because he's going to be
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here. What's cool about it is it just accelerates things a little bit.
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Like now next year is the year that he gets used to the NHL,
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rather than the year after being the year that he gets used. So maybe
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next off season we're looking at doing some things we wouldn't have done otherwise,
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you know what I mean, Like it might just push things forward a little
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bit. But I think this summer nothing should change because we're going to be
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looking at a kid who's got a lot of adjusting to make, a lot
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of adjusting to do, and it's better for him, I think, to
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not have any pressure, like, not for like, I don't want him
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to come in here thinking, oh shit, if we don't make the playoffs,
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I've failed exact or whatever. Like. Let him have a no pressure
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situation where he can figure out his NHL game and then we'll put the entire
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weight of the organization on it. We don't know his personality. We don't
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know. Yeah, we don't know his personality. We don't know. We
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don't know him like we know Travis Sandheim, Travis Connectney, the guy's been
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here for quite some time now. We Joe Farrabee. We don't know mitchgott
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We don't How is he going to take to that pressure, How is he
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going to handle the interactions just with his teammates. Will there be an intimidation
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factor based on the fact that he is in a Western based nation, and
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it's something he's never been exposed to for a lengthy period of time at all.
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So all those things obviously need to go into account. Like Kelly was
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saying, folks, seriously, if it's like his second game in a Flyer's
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uniform and he's not like performing to your standard, he should just seriously go
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like play out in traffic somewhere. Okay, just right, like if he's
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got like one goal in his first ten games, Like, we're not upset
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about this, this is fine, exactly. Yes, Truss, the process
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is the child star that we're bringing over from Russia. Well, yes,
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the final topic I want to dive into with the Kelly. Before I let
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you go, I gotta say it was fun to listen to you and Charlie
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O'Connor over on the phl Y Flyers podcast talking about the best and worst drafts
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over the past ten years. It was a fun, fun discussion, folks.
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If you aren't subscribed, yeah, if you're not subscribed, folks,
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or you know, just listen to that. It was a really fun podcast
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to listen to. It was just it was such a trip down memory lane.
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And I really liked how you both mentioned that there have been teams in
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the NHL that have initiated tank jobs in the past, and for much of
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the time they basically kind of just lucked into any type of future success that
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came from their tank. I thought it was a really honest look at some
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of those tank teams that you and Charlie kind of got into a little bit.
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I mean, look, look at the Oilers here, Look at the
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Oilers. Look what they have done. They're in the finals, and I
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think you said on that podcast too, You're like, they haven't won anything
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yet. You know, they really haven't. Looking them how exactly exactly?
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So you know, sometimes the draft is just a huge gamble here and there.
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So as it pertains to the Flyers. When some of these people and
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fans that we love and know are just crap in their trousers about the Flyers
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first pick in this draft, my thought to those folks is just chill out.
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Let's see what happens. Let's see where the chips fall. So what's
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your message to Flyers fans right here before this draft? I would say,
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like, whoever the Flyers pick, just like, be excited about it,
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enjoy it. Yes, yeah, Like whoever based on what i've seen it
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seems like we're gonna get probably either a pretty good winger or pretty good center.
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Yeah, with this twelfth overall pick. And I mean, like none
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of us know what's going to happen with these kids, right, Like talking
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about the Oilers, like they had how many first, second, third,
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overall picks that ended up as nothing. Yes, they weren't good until they
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got Connor McDavid. And there are only so many generational talents, that's why
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they're called generational. There's really only one of them. So like they got
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lucky with that one. Most of the time, it's just a it's a
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crapshoot. Like people can pretend that they know exactly what they're talking about and
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that they know what's going to happen, but none of us do, right,
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Yeah, prapshoot with these kids. So whoever the Flyers take, like
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dig into them a little bit and then get excited about it and hope for
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the best, Like that's really all that you can do. And also just
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remember that, like none of these kids that they draft this season are going
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to affect the outcome of an NHL hockey game for at least like three or
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four exactly yes, exactly, just like you know, have fun with it.
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This is supposed to be fun. It is it is it, folks.
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I swear to God, we're being optimistic about the Flyers on this podcast
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show, on this table talk podcast show. We're optimistic here. Okay,
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it's been a long time common where we can sit back and we can say
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we are optimistic about the Philadelphia Flyers, this organization, where they're going.
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Kelly Hinkle, it was great talking to you, my friend, and I
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hope that you will join us down the road. But I'd love to talk
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to you more in the future. Of course. Can I tell people about
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our draft party? Oh my gosh, I can't believe it was because I
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was going to tell you. I'm so disappointed. I'm not able to go
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because I'm gonna be on vacation with my family. However, get that information
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out there, because I was at last year's draft party. It was fantastic,
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It was fun. It was just great getting to meet other Flyers,
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fans, people that are part of the broad Street hockey community. So take
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it away, my friend, cool. Thank you. So this year we're
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partnering with our friends at PHL Why Bill and Charlie we're going to co host
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the draft party. It's so June twenty eighth, six pm at the bet
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Park's sports Book, which is not the Ben Salem Casino. It is the
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South Philly seven hundred Packer Avenue Sportsbook location is where we're going to be having
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this party. There will be food, there will be drink specials. We're
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gonna have some giveaways from the Flyers organization. Yeah, it's just it's one
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of those things I say this all time and it's kind of she but like,
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there's nothing better than watching Flyers stuff in a room full of Flyers fans.
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Like it's so much better than just being on your couch and like tweeting
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about it on Twitter. So like, if you can come on out,
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there's like tons of parking at this place. If you're coming from the suburbs,
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you don't have to worry about that. Very close to the stadium,
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so very easy to get to. It'll be a lot of fun. You
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can come hang out with me and Bill will be there, and Charlie will
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be in Vegas, so he's he won't be there, but yeah, it'll
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be it'll be a good time about coming. You should come down and folks
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a lot of the writers are that are at Broadstreet Hockey dot com. They
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are going to be there as well the Fly Purbole podcast that you may listen
27:37
to every now and again. He will be there. Yes, yes,
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just fantastic folks. Like I said, I've been coming, I've been basically
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coming. It's like every other year. I'm on flicking vacation and you know,
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I've got to talk to my wife about this here, Kelly, I
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got vacation time because it is it is. I got to talk to her
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about about booking our family trips here in the future. So it was great
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talking to you, my friend. And let's talk down the road. Maybe
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after the draft we can talk about what the heck happened. Yeah, for
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sure, that'll be awesome. That's gonna do it for us here on table
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