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Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s Deposition in Edwards and Cassell v. Alan Dershowitz (Part 5) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Virginia Roberts deposition against
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  Alan Dershowitz. Question, tell me everything you can recall telling
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  Sharon Churcher about being sexually trafficked Talan Dershowitz when you
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  met her in twenty eleven. McAuley objection. I just want
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  to be clear that I have a standing objection to
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  this line of questioning. Special Master so noted. You can answer, Virginia,
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  I just identified them. I don't think we actually got
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  into any kind of details. It was going through a
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  book of people, kind of like the FBI does, and
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  pointing out she was interested in redacted. Question you met
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  with Ms Churcher for about a week? Is that correct? Answer? Yes.
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  Question during the course of that week, did you give
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  Miss Churcher any documents? Answer? Yes. I had given her
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  some pages out of a booklet that I had wrote
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  concerning reacted. Question What is this booklet that you wrote? Answer?
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  She contacted me and asked me to recall the times
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  that I was with redacted, and I wrote them down
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  and I gave them to her. Question went to miss
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  Churchier first contact you. Answer it would have been twenty eleven.
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  Question What did she say when she first contacted you? Answer?
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  She introduced herself. She asked me if I was a
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  victim of Jeffrey Epstein. She was interested in how he
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  got away with so many counts of abusing miners, and
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  seeing that I was one of the miners, she wanted
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  to talk about that. And when she came over, or
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  before she came over, she asked me about some of
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  the other people I had been with. I had said, well,
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  I've got a picture of myself with redacted, and she
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  was very interested, and she came over and wrote the article.
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  Question now, the picture that you had of redacted, that's
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  an original photo that you developed? Correct answer yes, question
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  do you still have the original? Answer? It's been passed
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  around a lot. I'm not sure if mine is the
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  original or not. Any more. Question the photograph of you
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  in New Mexico in the snow wearing your red jacket,
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  were those taken on your camera? Answer? Yes, my camera.
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  Question do you have the originals? Answer again between the
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  FBI and giving them to my lawyers and Sharon Churcher
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  the circulation, I'm not too sure if I have the original.
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  I know I have copies, so I'm not sure if
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  they have the originals. Question the booklet that you gave
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  pages from Ms. Churcher? Where is that booklet? Answer burned?
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  Question when did you burn it? Answer? In I think
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  it was twenty thirteen. Me and my husband had a bonfire.
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  Question What did you put in this bonfire? Answer? Any
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  kind of memory that I had written down about all
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  the stuff that was going on? Question had you written
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  anything about Professor Dershowitz? Answer? He could have been there? Yeah?
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  Question and you burn that? Answer? I wanted to burn
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  my memories. I wanted to get rid of it. It
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  was very painful stuff. Question Other than what you had
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  written down, you burn anything else? I don't mean would
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  when you talk about burning your memories, what were you burning? Answer?
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  I was burning my memories, thoughts, dreams that I had,
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  just everything that was kind of affiliated with the abuse
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  that I endured, and there was a lot of it
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  in there. My husband is pretty spiritual, so he said
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  the best thing we could do was burn them. Question
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  is there anything you decided to keep and not burn? Answer?
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  Just the photographs? Question anything else that you can think of? Answer? Photographs,
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  that's it. Question Approximately when in twenty thirteen was this bonfire? Answer?
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  I don't know what month it was. Question did you
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  do it outside? Answer? Yeah, it was outside. I wasn't
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  going to do it in my living room. Question did
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  it feel good to be close to the fire because
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  it was cold out or was it a summertime bonfire? Answer?
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  I believe I had just bought my house in Titusville, Florida.
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  I bought my house in I think either in October
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  or November of twenty thirteen. It would have been around
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  probably November. Question why did you decide to keep the photos?
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  Answer their evidence? Question do you have any photographs of
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  yourself with Professor Dershowitz? Answer no. Question do you have
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  any photographs of yourself at any of the locations at
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  the time you allege that Professor Dershowitz was there? Answer like,
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  there's not a photograph of Dershowitz. Question showing that you
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  were at the location at the time that you say
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  Professor Dershowitz was there, regardless of whether or not he
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  was in the photograph. Answer, I'm not too sure. I
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  mean it could have been in the same week. I
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  always carried a camera, so I took a lot of
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  pictures of everything. It could have been the same week,
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  but he was definitely not in the photographs. Question after
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  you gave hims Church of the pages from that booklet,
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  did she give you a copy of those back? Answer?
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  I don't think so, not that I remember. Question you
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  get the original pages? Answer yes. Question are those the
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  same pages that showed up in Radar Online? Answer yes?
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  Question how did they get them? Answer? Not by me?
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  Question did you get paid for them? Answer no? Not
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  for those? Question you got paid for Ms Churcher's interview McCauley. Again,
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  I just want to make sure that I have a
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  standing objection to all the testimony relating to the media.
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  Answer specifically, I got paid for the picture. Question the
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  picture of yourself with Andrew. Answer yes. Question was there
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  a contract? Answer? I believe so. Question who negotiated that?
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  Answer just Sharon and myself? Maybe the place that she works.
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  I'm not too sure. Question you told the FBI that
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  you got one hundred and sixty thousand for that? Is
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  that right? Answer? Yes? Question and is that a correct statement?
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  Answer it was one hundred and forty and then for
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  the articles ten thousand and ten thousand. Question so how
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  does the picture fit into that? Answer? What do you mean?
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  Question you said it was one sixty for the photo, No,
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  One forty for the article. Answer well, for the photographs
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  and articles, and then for the other articles. I don't
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  think she just printed one article. I think she printed
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  like three articles, if I recall correctly. But for the
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  other one it was ten thousand and then ten thousand.
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  Question were you paid for any other media interview? Answer? No,
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  Special Master, there is a standing objection to all of this. McAuley, yes, Borgia.
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  Question did miss Churcher give you any documents? I know
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  she showed you pictures. Did she give you anything? Answer no? Question.
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  Did miss church Er tell you anything about Professor Dershowitz?
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  Answer no question other than who you have named your mother?
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  Your boyfriend redacted? Answer yes, question your friend and Sharon
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  Churchier answer and my husband? Question your husband and putting
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  aside your lawyers, did you tell anyone else that you
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  were sexually trafficked to Professor Dershowitz answer the FBI? Question?
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  What did you tell the FBI? Answer? I just remember
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  my memory or recalls. They did show me a photograph
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  of everybody? If he was in those photographs? I would
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  have pointed them out. I'm just saying I could have
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  possibly pointed them out in the pictures. Answer, but do
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  you recall doing that or question? Excuse me? Answer? I
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  just know there was a lot of pictures, and if
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  he was in there, I would have pointed him out
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  to them. Question do you recall having any discussion with
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  the FBI about Professor Dershowitz. Answer? I had discussions about
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  a lot of people with them, and I specifically don't
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  remember if it was just if Alan was included in those,
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  but if he was, I would have told them what
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  I know. Question did you talk to the FBI more
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  than once about Professor Dershowitz McCauley objection mischaracterizes the testimony
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  special witness? You can answer the witness. Does that mean
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  go ahead, Special Master? Yes. Answer I only met with
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  the FBI one time, so no question when you say
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  that if you've been shown a picture, you would have
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  identified Professor Dershowitz, you're talking about an in person meeting
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  in April of twenty eleven. Answer. I don't recall if
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  it was April, but yes, I think it was twenty eleven. Question.
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  Shortly after the article in the Daily Mail, came out.
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  Answer I think about after two weeks. Question what else
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  did you tell the FBI about being sexually trafficked? Answer?
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  I told them everything that I could remember at the time,
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  from the period of the years I was with Jeffrey.
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  Question did you tell them about a prominent prime minister?
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  Answer yes. Question did you tell them about heads of state?
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  Answer I'm not too sure about a head of state
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  is or what that is? Question did you tell them
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  about prominent politicians? Answer yes? Question did you name them?
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  Answer yes? Question did you tell the FBI about prominent
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  business people? Question did you name them? Answer yes? Question
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  what were the names of the politicians that you gave
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  to the FBI? Answer the same names that I've given
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  to you. Question what were the names you gave the FBI?
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  The name redacted? Answer yes. Question and you gave the
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  FBI the name redacted? Answer yes. Question Which prominent businessmen
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  or names did you give to the FBI? Answer Glenn Duban,
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  I mean, we're going back over the list. That's very
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  hard to continually go over, but redacted. Glenn Duban, I'm
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  trying to remember, but I'm having a blockage. I'm sorry.
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  Question did you name redacted to the FBI? Answer yes.
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  Question did you name any academics specifically that you recall? Answer?
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  I name redacted. I mean anyone that they would have
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  pointed out to me and asked me if I would
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  have told them truthfully who I was with and what happened.
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  I can't remember exactly who they showed me. I can't
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  remember exactly who I told them about, but if they
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  were there, I would have told them. Question did the
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  FBI ask you about redacted or redacted? Answer? I do
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  believe they did ask me about redacted, but I can't
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  remember the exact conversations we had about them. Question I
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  understand that you are not sexually trafficked to redact? It
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  is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question. Did Sharon Churcher ask
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  you about that? Answer? I believe they did. Question how
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  many times did you meet redacted? Answer twice? Question how
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  many times did you meet redacted? Answer once? Question you're
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  a meeting with redacted? What was the first one? Answer?
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  I don't know the exact date. I know it was
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  towards the end of my period with Jeffrey. I'm sorry
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  I can't give you a date. Question the end of
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  your period with Jeffrey is September two thousand and two.
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  Correct answer, that's when I left. Question that's the first
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  time you meet redacted? Towards the end of that period? Answer, No,
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  it wasn't September. I'm not saying it was September. I'm
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  saying it was around that period. If I was going
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  to a place or place times around something, it would
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  be towards the end of that. Question Where were you
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  when you first met redacted? Answer on Little Saint Jeff's
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  which is an island question little Saint James. Answer he
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  used to call it Little Saint Jeff's. Question meeting redacted?
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  Answer generally or specifically about his personality. Question where were
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  you on the island when you met him? Answer? We
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  had dinner together. Question who was at the dinner? Answer
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  Glaine redacted, Jeffrey Epstein, myself, and two girls that I
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  do not know who they are. Question this is the
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  meeting with redacted that's been described in press articles. Is
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  that correct? McCauley objection, Go ahead, you can answer, Special Master,
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  you can answer. Answer sorry confusing legal Yeah, I believe
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  it had been circulated. Question you had a second meeting
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  with redacted? Answer yes? Question when was that? Answer? I believe,
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  very close together, within weeks, if not months. Question where
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  was it? Answer Little Saint Jeff's question, what were the
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  circumstances of your second meeting with redacted? Answer? Very similar?
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  I mean there was a dinner, lots of laughing, lots
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  of joking. It was just a dinner, and then I
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  didn't have to do anything with redacted. He was never
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  sexually involved with me. I've never witnessed him sexually involved
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  with anybody else. And Jeffrey asked me for a massage
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  after dinner, and I went off to Jeffrey's cambana. Question
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  who was at that dinner? Answer Glaine, Jeffrey, and myself.
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  I believe there were there were some other guys. They
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  were down by the beach. I'm not too sure who
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  they were. I assumed there were security of some sort.
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  They weren't there at dinner. There were two girls. Question,
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  So each time you had dinner with redacted there were
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  two girls? Is that correct? Answer for my recollection? Yes?
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  Only two. Question and describe the girls at the first
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  dinner answer young, beautiful, like every girl that's generally around Jeffrey.
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  Question are you able to identify them? Answer? Possibly? If
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  I was showing pictures, but I don't know their names.
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  You need to understand. When I was with Jeffrey, we
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  were specifically told not to make friends, not to talk
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  other than small talk. But we weren't like, Hi, my
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  name is Susan and I'm fifteen or nineteen. We weren't
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  like that. Question was there any security at the first dinner? Answer?
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  Not at the table, but they always stayed around the beach.
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  Question who were the two girls at the second dinner? Answer?
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  It sounds funny, but I thought that they were sisters.
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  They look so much alike. They were beautiful, They were youngish.
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  I don't know exactly their age, but they were I
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  don't know. It's hard to say, anywhere between seventeen and
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  twenty one, but I don't know their names. Question was
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  it the first dinner that Glainne Maxwell flew the helicopter
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  with redacted to the island. McCauley objection, Special Master. You
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  can answer if you know. Answer. I was only told that.
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  I'm not too sure if she actually did or not.
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  I never witnessed Glaine flying them, but she said she did.
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  Question and did you hear redacted say that she was
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  a good pilot? Answer? I remember saying he thought she
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  was a good pilot, but I never witnessed it myself. Question,
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  so it's possible she wasn't flying redacted in a black helicopter.
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  That could be false. McAuley objection, Special Master, you can
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  answer answer to my knowledge. Gallaine and Jeffrey talk a lot.
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  They say things that are sometimes hard to believe, some
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  are actually actually true, So I don't know. All right, folks,
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  We're gonna wrap up right here, and then the next
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  episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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  we left off. All of the information that goes with
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