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This script didn't flip itself! | HBR Talk 268 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk to sixty eight. This script didn't flip
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  itself. I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and
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  the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson to continue digging into a glaring gender based double
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  standard on the behavior of people in positions of authority and the vulnerability of people
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  under their control. But first we gotta get you know, we gotta do
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  what we gotta do. Um, and before we do that, Sorry about
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  the way I sound, guys. I'm allergic to Canadian smoke. So the
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  the the whole Miami Valley is full of smoke right now. Um. It's
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  not really thick, but you could. It looks like a little fog.
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  And uh. It's also full of pollen and I'm allergic to that. And
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  it's also full of mold from from the rain that we've had, and I'm
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  allergic to that. And it's also full of chemicals from from the training rack.
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  Oh, oh, you know you know what's doing it. It's all
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  that male tree sperm. Yeah, it's it's just come on, that's all
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  it can be, right right, has been nose draped, guys. I
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  so I'm gonna sound like shit tonight, but I'm okay. I just can't
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  breathe. Who needs oxygen anyway? That's like for us right, I serid
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  not good for the climates. Oh I feel like a kid again. Man,
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  that's that's not a good thing. Um h do you pizza? Just
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  just for the record, for the people that didn't didn't listen to are in
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  the old school any badger days? When when I talked about it, um,
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  I had, like we always joke. The running joke is that the
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  thing I do is not die hot. My hobby is not dying my My
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  best example of it was that I had an asthma specialist predict I wasn't gonna
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  make it to twenty one if something didn't change when I was about the eighteen
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  years old and my lungs were appropriate for a nine year old body and not
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  a thirteen year old body. And so I spent five years in sports across
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  country, three years track, five years and just brutally beat my lungs into
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  submission and made them work. So get out the get out the the bullhorn
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  and start yelling at them and stuff. But so when I say I feel
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  like a kid, a get it's because I can't breathe. You all gotta
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  listen to me wine, but not for very long because I can't breathe at
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  least You're not wheezy. No, no, not yet. I've been.
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  I've been doing pretty good with that. But I'm on two different antihistamines,
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  which you're not supposed to do, but I'm doing it anyway. So it's
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  kidney's. Kidneys are for whimps. Better life through chemistry. Baby, there
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  you go. But yeah, I'm not gonna do that very long either,
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  dropdown menu at the top of the page. And we're about I think,
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  halfway through our journey via an article by Robert Franklin of A Voice for Men
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  through Jeffrey Tubin's twisted look at the experiences of prison inmates at the hands of
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  their jailers. And we've already seen Tubin's lack of recognition of female agency and
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  male vulnerability, as well as many factors that contributed to an environment that was
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  clearly terrible for rehabilitation and many other things too terrible in general. Right,
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  not only were the female guards exploiting the inmates sexually, but also emotionally and
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  financially. You'd think nobody would try to excuse that kind of behavior, but
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  we are talking about Jeffrey Tubin, so as the article reveals, he did
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  try. Before we get into the article, I do want to have a
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  super che that UM got in like a second before I typed in, done
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  in our thing. I didn't get to read it. Last week Zapier gave
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  us five dollars and said, isn't marriage still pretentious? Can't they just live
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  together and grow from there? The whole diamond scam and insanely expensive weddings scam
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  is pointless. The professing of love to everyone is pointless. It is today,
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  um. Marriage. When marriage first sort of started happening, it was
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  a way of families. Um. It was a ritual for families to join,
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  like as a business. Like you had the head of a household that
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  maybe were sheep herders and a head of a household that were cattle herders,
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  and they would get together and like, well, all right, we're gonna
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  we're gonna be one big, happy family where we're not necessarily all of our
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  businesses joined, but we're allies now and not just rivals. So that was
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  that mattered. And over the years when religion was more in charge of marriage,
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  it was a it was a way to have the community support your marriage.
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  You know that you announced that you're together, other people don't try to
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  interfere with your relationship. And if you fall on hard times, other people
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  try to support, and within the community try to support the relationship that's kind
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  of gone. Now people do kind of the opposite. Like one of the
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  most attractive things on a guy that a guy can wear for single women is
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  a wedding ring, and it especially if he dresses like you know, he's
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  supporting his family pretty well, because then you know he could support her family
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  too. I think right now the only purpose that marriage is used for is
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  to put men under role of the state and to use women as the bullwhip.
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  And I really don't you know, it's not I'm saying this is a
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  married, married person. You know, my husband and I got married with
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  that understanding of community support from our families and our friends. And as we
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  look around, the state has made it so that if the woman doesn't want
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  to accept that support, if she doesn't want to stay in a marriage,
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  if she doesn't want to follow through on her promises, she doesn't have to.
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  But she can hold him to his for the rest of his life.
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  And like it's destroyed the institution. In my opinion, it's not worth anything
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  anymore. You know, Like to the people that are already married, you
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  place your value on it based on your old fashioned values. And there's nothing
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  wrong with maintaining your relationship and understanding your relationship that way. But you can't
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  expect young people to trust that that is the way the community is going to
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  treat their marriage if they get married right, and it's it's beyond that,
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  because I think the state has a big part to play in it as well,
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  m being that when you then have to or you didn't want to,
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  you know, dissolve the marriage, the state takes a big chunk of money
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  from you. You have to pay them to do it, and they have
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  no incentive to withdraw themselves from the system as it is as it stands because
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  of the financial gain that they get. Right, and so these these long,
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  contentious divorces that drag on and on and on. And I'm telling you,
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  I'm looking at custody cases where it just a year after year after year,
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  and women when they are hell, hath no fury like a woman scorned.
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  Yeah, well give that bitch an It's turney and centered through divorce cord
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  and then tell me what you got, okay, because it's just unbelievable and
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  it all is predicated on, you know, the whims of the parties involved,
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  and it's normally the women that wants to sit there and fight over the
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  dollars and cents, right because they want the most alimony that they can get,
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  they want the biggest child support check that they can get. They want
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  all of the gibbs and the gidneys that come from separating yourself from a person
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  who has likely provided all of these things for you, right through no real
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  effort of your own other than that you slept with him maybe once her twice
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  a week or month or whatever it was. Uh, you know, it's
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  just ridiculous. And the courts, no lawyers, no judges, no,
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  they know when a woman is angry, fucking just let her go because she's
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  just going to keep racking up time and hours that then have to be paid
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  for. Yep. And and it's UM. It's a totally different ballgame divorce
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  court than UM, than any other type of court case. UM. Steve
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  Lato said about that he doesn't he would rather do anything than handle divorce cases
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  because like if you the way he talked about it. If you had a
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  product that you bought and it was defective and you were going to sue the
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  manufacturer to buy back the product, like I want to you know, I
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  want to refund and they won't give it to me. Um, you just
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  go in and it's a matter of fact this, I'm right about this.
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  They need to make make this right right. That's it, And it's a
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  you know, one and done. You go, you go have your hearing,
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  You bring your evidence, they bring their evidence, You argue it in
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  front of a judge, and the judge makes it the decision, and everybody
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  leaves and there's no emotional Um, there's no emotional attachment in general to that,
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  Like you don't hate that company forever and want them to die and blah
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  blah blah. But in you know, in a case of divorce, it's
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  I hate this person. I want to destroy this person. I want to
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  make them suffer, you know, And like what do you get from that?
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  What's you what do you achieve? How do you have? Um closure
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  from that? If you make this person sad, all you've done is make
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  yourself the bad guy. You aren't You aren't winning anything, right, and
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  that's a never ending process. Making someone else miserable to get revenge is a
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  never ending process. And uh, you know, and until you get to
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  the point where you don't have acts as to that person anymore. Like I've
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  been the target of that um not not from a divorce. But it's amazing
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  people will sabotage themselves so badly just to try to make you miserable. And
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  it almost feels mean to not suffer to satisfy them, And like, it's
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  it's really hard to make me suffer in a social situation. You can make
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  things awkward, but I mean, I I that's like putting a fish in
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  water, you know, So it's but yeah, there's a question of how
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  much worse did we really have it before the government took control of how marriages
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  work. You can ask this us about all sorts of things. This is
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  an argument that libertarians have had with whom I'll go ahead and call authoritarians.
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  They usually talk about ship like roads and prisons and armies and police forces.
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  And maybe these things are better off with at least the minimum of government control.
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  But in what way has the government ever improved the institution of marriage and
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  the institution of marriage has existed since I'm going to say thousands of years,
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  if not in some primitive form, tens of thousands of years before anything resembling
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  a modern government existed. There have been ceremonies. I feel like I'm repeating
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  myself from a previous thing, but since forever, there have been ceremonies where
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  different families, maybe even different tribes to get together and say, these two
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  people love each other, isn't it cool, Let's have a party. Yea,
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  now they can have kids. Just just something that that makes something sacrisacked
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  in some traditional way, and evidently that works for a long time without government
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  interference. And then you have to ask yourself, well, what has the
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  government done to the concept of divorce? What was the concept of divorce like
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  before government? And you can say, well, it didn't exist. People
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  just didn't get divorced, and well they did, they just they just wasn't
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  legally recognized. They just didn't. I can talk to you something. One
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  of them ran off with the kids, never to be seen again because there
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  was no grid to get off in the first place. Right, So there's
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  always been such a thing as divorce, but the government has come into to
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  let us know that they can, they can make divorce a safe process in
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  which it's in which nobody asked to run away or get sucked over. Well,
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  otherwise, the thing that made government get involved in marriage, honestly,
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  is when the government became the um, the deciding factor and the judge of
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  who owns what property and who is responsible for what person legally. And that's
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  that translated into all right, now we have an inroad into your marriage because
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  the government decides who owns the marital property and who is responsible for the children,
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  and whether one of the adults in the marriage is responsible for the other
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  one. And you know, like every issue that feminists complain about comes from
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  marriage being a legal institution instead of religious institution, and every issue that men's
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  rights activists complain about with regard to family court also comes from marriage being a
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  legal institution instead of a religious institution. And a lot of that goes back
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  to making government the arbiter of what is your property and who is responsible for
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  whom. So there you go. Yet another problem traces back to government authority
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  stepping over the bounds of individual autonomy. But and speaking of which we are
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  going to get into this article. So we sort of finished up last week
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  in a division between establishing that this is going on and looking at how Tubin
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  tried to explain it away as as a women's issue and not a men's issue.
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  So I stopped at too many, including the guards. That looks like
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  a win win situation, and that situation was women having all the control in
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  these relationships right, getting what they wanted. Adult women sized up a situation
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  and made rational choices about how to behave to bring about the greatest benefits to
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  themselves in the context of the jail, meaning they looked around. They saw
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  men that they could tell what to do, that could could face repercussions for
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  telling them no, that had money because of a huge underground economy in the
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  jail, and who they could an economy they could participate in, by the
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  way, and who they could exploit for money because of that. And they
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  decided that they were going to pick from among those men, and they did,
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  and that was their decision, And it was an overtly conscious choice,
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  like they knew every detail of that when they made that decision. They didn't
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  stumble into a chat room somewhere and fall in love with somebody on a chat
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  where they couldn't see who they were and where they were. They were guards
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  in the prison. They were in charge of those men. And of course
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  the next paragraph, and we can't have that. The idea of women and
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  acting autonomously in their own perceived self interest is not favored by much of our
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  news media and popular culture. So it fell to Jeffrey Tubin to convince New
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  Yorkers that are New York readers, New Yorker readers that far from the female
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  guards making their own autonomous choices, quote, cynical and devious men succeeded in
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  dominating women who were normally their keepers. Yes they were. They were topping
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  from the bottom, guys like way on the bottom. He makes a hash
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  out of it. Yes, it sounds stulty, it is, it's it's
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  in Shane. He makes a hash out of it. All of the evidence
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  that contradicts him, Tuban offers little to support or against all of the evidence
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  that contradicts him, Tubin offers little to support his thesis. He begins his
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  thankless task by asking us in the way hit the way back machine or take
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  taking us in the way back machine. Sorry, guys, I'm like having
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  massive like dyslexia and everything. My brain's taken letters from other words and everything.
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  Right now, this might be oxygen deprivation. You know, I read
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  it wrong too, And I don't have dyslexia. Oh, I get weird
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  effects, like I'll pull a word from a different paragraph and I'm I'm I
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  don't know where the hell it came from for a minute till I find it
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  in the next paragraph. Yeah, that's just ordinary brain. It happens way
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  too often to be that. Um. But yeah, when I'm having problems,
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  it gets a lot worse too. But he begin He begins this thankless
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  task by taking us in the way back machine to the nineteen seventies when murderer,
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  thug and revolutionary revolutionary philosopher George Jackson founded the Black Guerrilla Family. Remember
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  from last week we talked about this. This gorilla is guerrilla where warfare gorilla,
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  not gorilla the animal. This is a very militant gang. Um.
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  This is and it's not racist that they named themselves, um, but their
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  their very name is like it's intentionally telling you where it were with you,
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  where it war worry. People didn't worry about these kinds of optics in the
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  day. Well they did, but not in the same way. Yes it
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  was, it was seen in text before it was pronounced in phetically it kind
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  of but um, Now, what they would have been worried about back then
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  was making themselves look as aggressive as humanly possible. And guerrilla warfare is about
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  as as aggressive and scary as you can get. It's the fight that you
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  can't see coming, right. Um, So, so that's what they named
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  themselves after. Um. But it goes on to say he had a low
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  opinion of women. Tubin quotes him, Thus, women like to be dominated,
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  love being strong armed, need an overseer to supplement their weakness. It
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  is for them to obey and aid us not to attempt to think. Women
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  get mad when they hear stuff like that based right, But then it was
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  a little too based even I feel slightly a week of help from them.
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  The same women that get mad when they hear stuff like that are the ones
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  that expect a man to support them make all the decisions in regard to how
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  their household is going to be run. And uh will blame the decision maker
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  when the decisions go wrong, even though they wouldn't participate in the decision making.
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  Won't admit that they obey, but they do. Oh my gosh,
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  it's absolutely true. I mean it's like I don't understand this game that women
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  play like they they they do love this thing. They love to be dominant.
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  We love when a man comes in and takes control and says, no,
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  this is what we're doing and this is why we're doing it, and
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  it's just it's my and they put their foot down, you know what I
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  mean. They love it, but they hate to admit it. And men
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  also admire this in a leader. Yeah, in many different contexts, especially
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  military contexts and all sorts of context. That's the whole idea of a leader.
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  It's a real ovade. It's a reli when a leader comes in and
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  you can say, you know what, they're right, They're right, yeah.
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  Or this person I don't have to think about this. This person has
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  the helm, he's taking control. I can sit back and relax because I
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  know that I'm covered because this person is in charge. You know. This
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  is when when when my husband and I got married, we didn't we didn't
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  do the big wedding thing because I just I would have I would have had
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  a heart attack and died right there in front of everybody. Um, I'm
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  not and on a stage person at all. I don't do that, and
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  he's not really big on it either. And he'd had, you know,
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  he'd already been through a wedding, and so I asked him, was like,
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  do you want to do a big production and all that stuff? And
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  he goes no, So we didn't. Um and and his uncle is a
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  minister, and I really my my one big stipulation was that I wanted family
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  to do our wedding. It's like I met his uncle and he is a
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  wonderful person, very trustworthy man. I would value his advice, like I
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  knew immediately, like the first day I met this man, I would value
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  his advice just like I would the men that I grew up with and looked
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  up to. And uh so when we went to talk to him about it,
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  you know, he says, well, we always do a couple of
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  counseling sessions beforehand, and we did that, and it's all common sense stuff,
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  you know, and like, how what what are the things that you've
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  thought of? What's your plans for the future, you know, And there's
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  there's the religious end of it too, you know. And so we had
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  the religious discussion as well, and he then he looked at me, and
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  he goes, I have one one um stipulation for doing any marriage. The
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  vows don't change. And I'm like, we wouldn't change the vows and he
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  goes, that means obey stays in the vows. I'm like, yeah,
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  that makes sense, you know. And he's just kind of looking at me
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  because I think I'm the first woman that he talked to about it that didn't
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  have an objection. And finally I said, I you know, I've photographed
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  weddings. I have heard these vows over and over again, and I've heard
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  the discussion that ministers give with these vows over and over again. And there
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  are there's two admonitions that they remind their parishioners of. One is the wives
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  obey your husbands. The other is that husbands love their wives. And I
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  know my husband. He's not going to boss me around for the sake of
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  bossing me around. He loves me as much as I love him, probably
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  more. And if he decides that something's important enough that he has to say,
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  we're going to do it this way, no matter what you think,
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  I'm going to back off, He's right. He knows what he's talking about.
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  He's not going to do that. And that was the end of the
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  discussion. We were we were all good. Um, you know, like
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  this is this is the other end of it. Obey means trust. Yeah,
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  it's just another word for agreeable. Right well. And I wouldn't have
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  married somebody that I thought I couldn't make any decisions and you know, like
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  what to where, you know, where to go for dinner and stuff like
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  that. I wouldn't marry somebody like that. I wouldn't have fallen in love
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  with somebody like that because I wouldn't trust them. You marry somebody that you
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  trust if you're getting married. And again, this is this is why I
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  say marriage has been destroyed because how can men trust women now? How can
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  as a as a population? What has the female population given the male population
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  as as evidence you can trust us? I can't. I can't name anything
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  right now, No, you know, And it breaks my heart because women
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  do have the capacity for greatness. Women have the capacity for kindness and love
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  and sensitivity, nurturing and to be very ethical and very trustworthy. I grew
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  up with women like that as my mentors in my life. And when I
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  look around and see how feminism and how modern expectations and modern society, modern
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  media, communism, how that has changed women's attitudes and women's sense of ethics,
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  and women's sense of compassion for other people besides themselves. It's like watching
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  somebody get bashed in the head until they suffer damage that reduces their intellectual capacity,
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  their cognitive ability. You know. It's just it's sad, and so
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  you know, I hope, I hope that what we do is able to
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  change things. Yeah, I mean, I think the worst thing about it
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  is that it's just completely destroying society, you know what I mean. The
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  family structure is completely broken down, you know, And where do we go
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  from here If it's not the women that wake up and say, hey,
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  maybe I need to find a way to cooperate with the very same men that
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  I want this protection from and I want these resources from. Maybe I try
• 28:44
  to figure out a way to do that instead of trying to be this big,
• 28:48
  bad independent bach with an only fans. Yeah, you know, it
• 28:52
  starts with it starts with accountability. It starts with recognizing. You know,
• 28:57
  something as simple as if you stand next to a pole with a ball tied
• 29:04
  to it with a rope and you hit that ball really hard and it comes
• 29:08
  around and hits you in the back of the head. You did that.
• 29:14
  You knew that the ball was tethered to the pole, you knew how long
• 29:17
  the rope was, you knew how hard you hit it, and you stood
• 29:21
  there and let it hit you in the back of the head. Right.
• 29:23
  Or if you hit that ball and and it hits somebody else that you saw
• 29:29
  standing there and didn't warn you did that, you're responsible. Yeah, but
• 29:37
  I mean like that, it's as simple as recognizing you're the one that hit
• 29:41
  the tether ball, yeah, before it did what it did. It's you
• 29:45
  can't blame the ball, right, And even if the ball had a mind
• 29:52
  of its own, like it's an AI tether ball and it's it's still going
• 29:55
  to have a reaction to being hit. You hit it. It was still
• 29:59
  until you hit it right. And that's that's the thing women have stepped away
• 30:07
  from valuing, valuing the strength that you get the power of knowing that if
• 30:18
  you hit the tetherball, you're the one that determined that it was going to
• 30:22
  move right, you push the domino over, You're the one that sets the
• 30:26
  whole set of dominoes in motion. Right when you do the thing, you
• 30:33
  did what you did, and the effects are a result of your actions,
• 30:38
  either directly or indirectly, and that losing the ability to value the power of
• 30:47
  self determination and determining what goes on around you by knowing that fact, recognizing
• 30:52
  that fact, and being mindful of it when you take your actions is again,
• 30:57
  it's like watching some but he get bashed in the head or drugged poisoned
• 31:03
  until they develop cognitive failures, like they lose abilities that they had, and
• 31:11
  it's it's sad. It's like watching somebody go through many strokes or Alzheimer's where
• 31:15
  their personality just disappears a little bit at a time. And I don't want
• 31:21
  to see that happen to women. I don't want to see men saddled with
• 31:26
  that as the only potential partners they can have, for for mating, for
• 31:30
  reproduction, for life partners if they're not gay. Yeah, you know,
• 31:36
  no, I don't. I don't want to see that either. And I
• 31:40
  just think that we have gone so far into this. Yes, girl,
• 31:45
  you go, girl, you can do it, do whatever the fuck you
• 31:49
  want. You can be a man. It's it's it's gone so far to
• 31:53
  that end that what we have or women who are doing whatever the hell they
• 31:59
  want and the rest of society is just dealing with the consequences of their fucked
• 32:05
  up behavior. Yeah, bull in a china shop only you know, it's
• 32:09
  it's the bull is a cow, right. But but it's just about it,
• 32:16
  Yeah, I mean it's and it's not just men. It's not just
• 32:21
  the children, it's other women who then have to deal with these men that
• 32:25
  come with this baggage. Yeah. Yeah, it's unconscionable. And I don't
• 32:32
  understand how women can live with themselves knowing that. I don't you know what,
• 32:37
  Honestly, I don't even think that they give a second fucking thought to
• 32:42
  the other people who are harmed by the things that they do. You know,
• 32:46
  I think some women are just so god damned vindictive. It's just all
• 32:50
  whatever, it's I'm living my best life. Will think women all okay,
• 32:52
  Well, your kids out here, um, you know, depressed, half
• 32:58
  damn suicidal and taking out his frustrations, his or her frustrations on the rest
• 33:05
  of society and we all have to deal with that. And it's not it's
• 33:08
  not fair to the rest of us to have to deal with the spawn of
• 33:15
  your your poor decisions. It is. It is a really awful situation for
• 33:23
  society in general. Um, and it is. It is an awful situation
• 33:28
  for men in particular. It's an awful situation for women. Um oh okay.
• 33:36
  And somebody asked me about passport bros. And I'm like, I don't
• 33:37
  know what passport bros Are. It's just the nickname for a guy. Is
• 33:40
  that that get a wife overseas? Um, here's here's the problem. Right,
• 33:47
  you bring a wife from a country where accountability standards are higher, will
• 33:55
  you bring her back to the United States where there is zero accountability among women?
• 34:05
  Like, we're at zero At times, we have negative accountability. We
• 34:08
  literally are able to transfer accountability for something to the person next to us because
• 34:15
  he's male. The proverbial kid in the candy store, except you pay the
• 34:20
  kid to eat the candy. Yeah. The thing that happens is that this
• 34:23
  person is now surrounded by all kinds of pressures to give up her accountability.
• 34:30
  And first of all, the women around her are going to react to her
• 34:37
  accountability like an immune system reacts to an allergen. Right, They're going to
• 34:43
  try to get rid of it. They're going to try to kill it.
• 34:45
  They're going to try to suffocate it. They might try to eat it.
• 34:49
  They will abuse her as a result of it. They will they will they
• 35:00
  abuse you, they will try to brainwash her. And if that doesn't work,
• 35:07
  you know, they may even falsely accuse you. And there have been
• 35:08
  circumstances where perfectly happy married couples have been accused by a neighbor of some sort
• 35:16
  of domestic violence situation. Gin Bottle says, men are leaving America not bringing
• 35:22
  her back. That's exact, probably more effective, depending on the hard part
• 35:29
  is um every country has guynocentric laws, so it depends on where you go
• 35:37
  and whether or not you're savvy to the nature of gyna centrism in those laws.
• 35:44
  And it could work like you could. You could find a partner that
• 35:47
  way. Just don't go someplace else expecting to leave guyna centrism behind, because
• 35:55
  there is not a culture right now that does not have some degree of guinness
• 36:01
  centrism, even cultures that people are are are accusing of being misogynistic. For
• 36:07
  instance, cultures where you get whiplashed for being um for engaging in a crime
• 36:16
  of fornication, which would be sex before marriage. A woman will get three
• 36:23
  quarters of the amount of lashes that a man will get, and that gyna
• 36:29
  centrism is the assumption that she is smaller and weaker than he is. But
• 36:37
  in a lot of those cultures, the women aren't necessarily smaller and weaker because
• 36:40
  they're living in a harsh environment. And over over time, you know,
• 36:47
  women in those cultures have had to be big and strong in comparison to other
• 36:52
  women. They're taller, thicker boned than other women, and they're tougher than
• 37:00
  than a lot of other women. So it's it's um more of a guyna
• 37:04
  centric thing. And and similarly in a lot of different places. Uh,
• 37:10
  you know, if if she beats you, you don't have any recourse.
• 37:17
  Um, if you are sexually assaulted, you don't have any recourse. So
• 37:21
  you have to be careful. You got to watch out for the guyna centric
• 37:24
  laws in the area and know what you're what you're getting into. Not that
• 37:29
  um, not that it's bad to go look for a partner someplace where women
• 37:37
  are expected to at least have some accountability, But I think the ultimate solution
• 37:42
  is going to have to be that women are going to have to recognize their
• 37:45
  own agency and step back up once upon a time, even when even you
• 37:52
  know, when our society was guynes centric in the past, with things like
• 37:58
  coverture, you know, women still had more agency than than they do today.
• 38:04
  And if you look back into pioneer days, pioneer women had more agency
• 38:07
  than they do today. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know so, I
• 38:15
  mean when it comes to passport brothers, Bros. Brothers, when it comes
• 38:22
  to the passport Bros, I'm one hundred percent behind them, and I understand
• 38:29
  the things that they need to watch out for and the things that you point
• 38:32
  out, they're absolutely very valid things that men need to take into account.
• 38:38
  If they are going to go to a different country, you absolutely have to
• 38:43
  know the laws of that country, because I mean, there was just this
• 38:47
  viral TikTok idiot going over to Korea, and you know what I mean,
• 38:52
  just starting shit over in different countries, and that ship can get you.
• 38:59
  You can be gone, you can be off in some kind of jail and
• 39:01
  no one will ever hear from you. Again. You have to understand the
• 39:05
  laws in the country that you're going to. That being said, I think
• 39:10
  that this is really the only way that well, I think this is if
• 39:17
  more men really catch onto this then I think it's probably going to spark something
• 39:25
  within women to understand that. Listen, are marriageable eligible men are leaving,
• 39:32
  they are choosing other options. You know, I absolutely one thousand percent agree
• 39:42
  if you have to marry somebody, you know what I mean, if you're
• 39:45
  going to roll those dice, get some foreign chick, Get someone who's not
• 39:52
  americanized, right, because that's where the real problems come from. They get
• 39:58
  around these women in America, who on you got all? You got him
• 40:00
  girl, and they start telling her story. All, well, you know
• 40:04
  if you leave it now, you got him on the hook, and you
• 40:07
  know you have to. But I don't think that a lot of these passport
• 40:13
  bros Are taking wives back to the United States some of them. Yes,
• 40:20
  you also have to be careful that you're not marrying her under a failure to
• 40:27
  recognize that she's looking for a man she can expect to be more gynocentric than
• 40:31
  the men of her country, right right, I mean, But at any
• 40:37
  rate, I think a lot of these guys would be are are more willing
• 40:42
  to take that risk with some with someone who is not like the typical chick
• 40:49
  that you see walking down the street, you know what I mean? It's
• 40:52
  it's just it's crazy out here, you know what I mean. And women
• 40:59
  in other country they just have a different type of mindset. Yeah, I
• 41:04
  know what I mean. Some of them might see American men. There's easy
• 41:08
  marks too, But you just have to like there's no substitute for for vetting
• 41:14
  for character and if wherever you go, whatever country you go to, whatever
• 41:20
  women you meet and get to know, look at there's no substitute for a
• 41:25
  long relationship prior to a marriage. Um, you know, in a long
• 41:31
  engagement if you if you must get married so that you have time to vet
• 41:37
  for red flags and she has time to vet you for red flags. And
• 41:42
  you know, there's there's behavioral red flags, like this person has character issues,
• 41:46
  and then there's we're not as compatible as we thought we were red flags.
• 41:51
  And those are things where you can decide, you know, we're going
• 41:53
  to work on this, or you know, this is really a deal breaker
• 41:58
  and you don't want to find that out after you got married. Yeah,
• 42:01
  he really don't, especially if you went to another country. But yeah,
• 42:07
  all of that said, like it all rides on again though women having some
• 42:12
  accountability and you know, like you just can't there's no substitute for that either.
• 42:19
  And you know what we're seeing here in this article, for instance,
• 42:22
  like tu been bending over backwards to find a pathway around female accountability is just
• 42:34
  so destructive and so typical of feminist So he looks at this statement, like
• 42:43
  this statement about women women like to be dominated, love being strong armed,
• 42:46
  need an overseer to supplement their weakness. It is for them to obey and
• 42:50
  aid us, not an attempt to not to attempt to think, he thinks
• 42:52
  about his misogyny, not a judgment of overt female male behavior that implies that
• 43:01
  this is what's on women's minds. This is a knee jerk reaction, like
• 43:07
  people who notice that women will sit back and let a man make all the
• 43:13
  decisions and then blame him when everything goes wrong. People who notice that are
• 43:17
  deemed misogynists for drawing conclusions about women's attitudes based on that behavior. But the
• 43:23
  reality is, your behavior doesn't just manifest out of thin air. It comes
• 43:30
  from the attitude that you have, the way you think the person you are
• 43:35
  inside, and sorry, you know, the way that your ethics are made
• 43:40
  up and the way that your self esteem is made up. And if you're
• 43:45
  afraid to do something, if you're embarrassed to do something, if you can't
• 43:49
  take responsibility because you just don't feel obligated and you don't you're afraid of it,
• 43:57
  or you are averse to it, then that's the kind of person you're
• 44:02
  going to be. You're going to be somebody that wants to be dominated,
• 44:05
  told what to do, and not to think for yourself, because if you
• 44:10
  do all those things, then you have to do the heavy lifting of having
• 44:15
  guilt if you make something go wrong for other people, or having no one
• 44:20
  to blame but yourself if you make things go wrong for you, and then
• 44:24
  also the heavy lifting of having to clean up your messes. And nobody likes
• 44:30
  having to clean up their messes after they've made a big mistake, right,
• 44:37
  And so that's that's another issue. He quotes that He quotes a Jackson letter
• 44:42
  saying the white, the white theory of the emancipated woman is a false idea
• 44:46
  white theory. I think it's more of a female theory than a than a
• 44:53
  than a white theory. That is, women prefer subordinate status because they lack
• 45:00
  the agency, so any notion of emancipation, ie that they can be different,
• 45:04
  is false. Do I need to point out the obvious irony. While
• 45:07
  Tuban rightly disdains Jackson's take on the female half of society, his article embraces
• 45:13
  precisely those ideas. Jackson saw women generally as weak and feckless. Tuban describes
• 45:19
  the female guards exactly the same. But again he fails to notice, right,
• 45:24
  it's not their fault that they are taking sexual and financial advantage of these
• 45:30
  men, that they're essentially rapists and pimps in that situation. It's not their
• 45:38
  fault. They didn't do that on purpose. They're victims made them do it,
• 45:44
  they were enthralled. Jackson was killed in prison in nineteen seventy one because
• 45:52
  he founded the BGF because he held disdainful views of women. And I'm not
• 45:58
  sure I would call that disdain. Actually, yeah, it's heavy criticism,
• 46:02
  but it's something that and it's hard to hear, right because you know,
• 46:06
  like you want to bucket and say, no, I'm independent, I make
• 46:08
  my own decisions, I do my own thing, right, But their women,
• 46:13
  Yeah, who don't need no man? And well, no, I'm
• 46:15
  not even gonna go there, right I I I like having a partner,
• 46:21
  and I need a partner, you know, I'm I'm about as much of
• 46:23
  a loner as you can get. I could spend most of my days buy
• 46:28
  myself and be perfectly happy. Huh. But that would have been my second
• 46:32
  choice, and my first choice was always to be with him and to be
• 46:37
  a mom. And so you know, that's that's that's bullshit. To call
• 46:43
  this disdainful, I will I will criticize that, like being too nice to
• 46:47
  women in nineteen seventy one, disdainful views of women. Well what nowadays?
• 46:53
  We call it hate speech? Yeah, we would call it hate speech today.
• 46:57
  We like to pretend that this phenomena of a speech is something that only
• 47:00
  came about in the twenty first century. But they've they've always been other names
• 47:06
  for it, just this information you're not allowed to say. Well, I
• 47:09
  mean like if if a person and you don't know the person's gender, the
• 47:14
  person goes into a store and they take an item that is marked for sale
• 47:17
  with a price on it, and they walk out and they don't pay that
• 47:20
  price, they're a thief. And if they do that repeatedly, and you
• 47:25
  can see that they did it on purpose, it wasn't an accident. It
• 47:29
  didn't you know, accidentally drop it into the cuff of their genes or you
• 47:32
  know, fall into their cart. They deliberately picked things up and walked out
• 47:37
  without paying for them. That you can generally draw the conclusion this person does
• 47:43
  not respect other people's property rights right, this person does not respect fair trade
• 47:50
  and doesn't have the the ethical mentality of if I take something of your I
• 48:00
  give you something of equal value, and it has to be something that you've
• 48:04
  offered for me to take and something I've offered to trade for it, not
• 48:08
  you know, just like I take and give based on what I want,
• 48:13
  and that's fair. But as soon as the person is a woman, we
• 48:20
  start making excuses. Oh, she must be hungry, Oh maybe she has
• 48:24
  little kids at home. Nobody taught her right and wrong when she was growing
• 48:29
  up. She was abused as a child. You know, some man made
• 48:34
  her do it right. That is what we're seeing here. And even the
• 48:40
  most hardened MiG tao will occasionally do this, where a woman will let a
• 48:51
  man make all the decisions in the world and then blame him when they go
• 48:54
  wrong. A woman will obey, you know, just obey obey, and
• 49:00
  not you know, like not obey because she trusts not listen to the advice
• 49:07
  of somebody because he knows more than she does about something. Not be in
• 49:12
  a mutually respectful, loving relationship and say, I know that if it's that
• 49:17
  important that you're going to put your foot down, you must have spotted something
• 49:21
  that I didn't. But just every you know, expect him to make every
• 49:24
  little decision in her life, right down to I don't know where we should
• 49:30
  go on vacation. You decide. And then it's oh, I hate this
• 49:34
  place, why did you make us come here? I don't. I don't
• 49:37
  know what to have for dinner. You decide, Oh, I hate cooking
• 49:42
  this, Why did you make me do this? I don't know what to
• 49:45
  watch on TV? You decide, Oh, I hate the show? Why
• 49:47
  did you make me watch this? Like? You know, fuck you,
• 49:51
  lady, grow a pair of tits and make some of your own damn decisions,
• 49:55
  right, So I don't. I don't think it's disdainful necessarily to to
• 50:00
  say these things about women when women are behaving that way. It's an observation
• 50:05
  and a conclusion. And if people don't like somebody thinking that way of women,
• 50:10
  then women need to prove him wrong. You know, you have to
• 50:16
  if you want to prove to somebody that you're not a thief who doesn't respect
• 50:22
  other people's property rights and doesn't respect fair trade. Then you have to demonstrate
• 50:25
  that you engage in fair trade, that you do show respect for people's property
• 50:30
  rights, and that you don't steal right. That's that's pretty standard, you
• 50:37
  know, And until you are dealing with women. We got to change that
• 50:42
  if we want men and women to be able to have relationships in the future.
• 50:49
  But that's probably my biggest and only main issue with this article is men
• 50:54
  men in general, are too kind to women in terms of judgment. If
• 51:00
  you don't judge us, we don't have the same pressure that you used to
• 51:07
  hone your character to better and hire plateaus. You know, we we end
• 51:13
  up plateauing at mediocre or worse. Jackson was killed in prison. That's that's
• 51:21
  just that sentence hurts too. It because it's a human being. He was
• 51:24
  killed in prison. If if this environment that we read about is the prison
• 51:31
  environment, this man never had a chance because Amenity ended up in there,
• 51:38
  and Amenity ended up in that environment. He was in an environment where he
• 51:45
  had none of the positive pressures that help people mold themselves to greatness, and
• 51:52
  he used the negative pressures to mold himself to what looked like greatness when he
• 51:57
  was there, and it resulted in his in prison. They have, you
• 52:01
  know, they have white supremacist gangs, they have Latinos supremacist gangs, they
• 52:07
  have black supremacist gangs. But one thing they all have in common is what
• 52:12
  we've discussed as defined as Gardner centrism in this in this podcast. You know,
• 52:19
  they're all of the opinion that, I mean, you can murder any
• 52:24
  man you like, You can murder sixteen men and you'll get the good eye.
• 52:30
  But if you've murdered or raped at least one woman, then I mean,
• 52:37
  well, if you've said disdainful views on women, then you might as
• 52:42
  well be a man who raped or murdered a woman and you'll be lucky if
• 52:47
  you make it out of prison of life. Yeah, as you know,
• 52:52
  some men are that lucky, but quite a lot of them on the ones
• 52:54
  you don't hear about. So this goes on to say that because of you
• 53:00
  know, his views on women, and because this gang still exists in the
• 53:05
  Baltimore jail today, Tubin hopes readers will conclude that the leaders of the BGF
• 53:10
  hold the same views of women, which, even if they held the same
• 53:15
  views, are they wrong and right? Does that mean these women aren't accountable
• 53:22
  for their actions? Right? Like those views could be entirely right, but
• 53:27
  these women are still making their own choices. Yeah, exactly, But sadly
• 53:36
  for his narrative, he offers only the barest hint that they might his soul.
• 53:40
  Evidence for the proposition is that a Jackson follower and the BCDC inmate.
• 53:49
  Eric Brown in twenty ten wrote a manifesto called The Black Book, in which
• 53:53
  we find the black woman naturally serves the black man by consoling him, cooking
• 53:59
  for him, him, rearing their children. He goes on to say a
• 54:01
  man is entitled to discipline his wife by use of first verbal reprimands, second
• 54:08
  refusing to have sex with her, and third he beats her lightly. That
• 54:13
  sounds like, um, what we hear about Islam? I wonder if it
• 54:16
  was influenced, But wouldn't surprise me at all. And it's interesting again,
• 54:24
  we look at this, um, so we have one guy's opinion, and
• 54:31
  we have somewhat a description of marriage. Right, um, consoling, cooking,
• 54:38
  rearing children, being being a loving partner essentially, and the traditional portrayal.
• 54:49
  The traditional understanding of marriage is that if the if the man is the
• 54:54
  provider, if the man is the protector, if he is the physically strong
• 54:59
  one in a marriage, then the woman is the emotionally strong one in the
• 55:02
  marriage who does bring him comfort when he comes home and helps keep him mentally,
• 55:15
  you know, ready, keeps him emotionally ready to be that guy that
• 55:20
  you know is the head of the household. And of course, and it
• 55:24
  is about rearing the children. It is about, you know, making sure
• 55:29
  that the children have a safe place plenty to eat and are are taught and
• 55:35
  what they need to know to be adults. That's not abnormal as far as
• 55:39
  the the reprimanding and stuff. That's old fashioned beliefs, you know, aside
• 55:45
  from the beating part, which isn't necessarily standard in every culture, but there
• 55:52
  are some cultures where that is standard, you know, so it's not again,
• 56:00
  it's not normal here, it's not normal in the United States. But
• 56:06
  it's not like those ideas came out of thin air either, And a man
• 56:14
  in the United States with those ideas would have gotten them, probably from religious
• 56:20
  texts, but also possibly from drawing conclusions based on how the women around him
• 56:25
  behaved, what they put up with, what they demanded right, and what
• 56:35
  they would, you know, leave over. And I don't necessarily condone all
• 56:44
  of that, but I will say you it's as hard as it is to
• 56:51
  hear some of that. You look at it, You got to look at
• 56:52
  it from a perspective of where did these ideas come from? Where did he
• 56:58
  learn this? What help? What led to those conclusions? Did he date
• 57:02
  women that were more compliant with him and more compatible with him and stayed with
• 57:10
  him? If he treated them that way like that, then then he would
• 57:17
  learn that all right? Did he did he see his parents live that way?
• 57:21
  Then he would learn that he did his religious beliefs espouse that, then
• 57:25
  he would learn that. So now does that mean that everybody does it that
• 57:31
  way? No? Does it mean the prison guards that were women were somehow
• 57:37
  unable to make their own decisions. Can you imagine a prison guard submitting to
• 57:45
  a light beating by a prisoner because she misbehaved? Not in a million fucking
• 57:53
  here like I've I've only known a few prison guards. Two of them were
• 58:00
  men, one of them was female, and none of them would have done
• 58:02
  that. I think, what is he spaking her through? The bars of
• 58:08
  No, she's opening it going in there. I was bad. Here's the
• 58:13
  paddle, you know. It sounds more like a kink um. Yeah.
• 58:21
  So, like, I just don't think prisoners have the opportunity to discipline the
• 58:28
  prison guards unless the prison guards let them. So let's see did anyone in
• 58:39
  the BGF follow Brown's recommendations. If they did, Tubin doesn't let on about
• 58:44
  it. That may be because the Black Book lays down a lot of other
• 58:47
  laws for black men that BGF it ignores. And this is going to be
• 58:52
  more it's sounding more and more like Islam. For example, Brown condemns the
• 58:58
  use and sale of drugs, practices that make up the major activity of the
• 59:02
  gang inside the BCDC. You know, like obviously no drugs, you know,
• 59:09
  it's probably a clean living admonition. He probably also said no drinking,
• 59:17
  you know, And I will bet there's a lot of that was something that
• 59:22
  was becoming popular among black gang members, black prisoners, and black academics in
• 59:31
  the United States in the seventies and the eighties was becoming Muslim. So so
• 59:39
  that's a distinct possibility. Having not read the book, I can't be sure,
• 59:44
  but I would hazard to guess. But but yeah, so apparently the
• 59:52
  prisoners are not practicing this. But again, even if they were, we're
• 59:58
  we're talking about right now, Well, this the twenty first century prisoners.
• 1:00:02
  Whether they're practicing this this um nineteen seventies philosophy or not, they still like,
• 1:00:10
  when would they get the opportunity to control the prisoners or the guards as
• 1:00:16
  prisoners? When would they get the opportunity? Since the LEGF ignores the rule
• 1:00:24
  against drug use and traffic trafficking, why should we believe they adhere to Brown's
• 1:00:30
  take on women. Tuban makes no effort to answer the question for what I
• 1:00:36
  suspect or obvious reasons. But the core of Tuban's argument is that the BGF
• 1:00:44
  profile the female guards, selecting the weak and vulnerable to prey on. O.
• 1:00:50
  My god, yes, those poor weak, invulnerable prison guards. My
• 1:00:59
  god, they're just so helpless. I mean, it's they couldn't call anybody,
• 1:01:05
  They couldn't say anything to anyone. They just had to sit there and
• 1:01:08
  take it. Yep. Couldn't call anybody for backup, couldn't couldn't chase anybody,
• 1:01:14
  didn't have any authority, couldn't write you up for behaving badly. None
• 1:01:19
  of that. Nope, you just had to take it unbelievable. And I
• 1:01:22
  think that, really, what if I had to make an assumption, which
• 1:01:29
  I will hear, it sounds like a lot of this, you know,
• 1:01:35
  illicit activity was based around the sale and use of drugs. You know,
• 1:01:40
  I'm not really hearing a whole bunch of this inmate rape this guard. Yeah,
• 1:01:49
  no, it's it's not that, but you know, it just all
• 1:01:52
  kind of gets lumped in together because it's it's won't all these these female guards
• 1:01:59
  they would just take advantage of and it would just how Oh my good,
• 1:02:04
  I don't I don't understand, Yeah, how this could have happened? Here
• 1:02:10
  we go. Tavon White preyed un vulnerable women, according to a government filing
• 1:02:21
  in the case, Documents found in one Maryland prison detail how new BGF recruits
• 1:02:28
  are taught to target a specific stereotype of CEO corrections officer, specifically a woman
• 1:02:35
  with low self esteem, insecurities, and certain physical attributes. No, you
• 1:02:42
  fucking narrow it down, Jesus Christ. According to these BGF documents, these
• 1:02:47
  CEOs are prime targets whom BGF members can manipulate easily. So why are they
• 1:02:54
  qualified? To be prison guards. If that's the case, that's the first
• 1:02:59
  place I have. Yeah. The second question is are there no men with
• 1:03:02
  self low, self esteem and securities? And what are these certain physical attributes?
• 1:03:08
  Is this women who are smaller? Or is this tits and ass because
• 1:03:13
  there are men who are smaller? You know, I don't. I don't
• 1:03:16
  know so much about tits and ass. But good grief, did the strategy
• 1:03:24
  work amazingly. Tuban never had answers, never asks the question, much less
• 1:03:30
  answers it. Never mind the fact that the aforementioned documents weren't even found in
• 1:03:36
  the BDCD or BCDC. No evidence is produced that a white or anyone in
• 1:03:44
  the BCDC ever read the Black Book b anyone followed any of its suggestions at
• 1:03:50
  all, much less on how to treat women or c they met with any
• 1:03:53
  success at recruiting vulnerable guards. Indeed, Tuban only refers in power assing to
• 1:04:00
  one guard who seemed to develop a love for an inmate named Stephen Loney,
• 1:04:08
  but far more remarkably to been blithely ignores salient facts. For example, there
• 1:04:14
  were between two hundred and ninety two and three hundred and sixty five female guards
• 1:04:17
  actively involved in the illegal buying and selling of a wide array of contraband inside
• 1:04:24
  the BCDC. So these use these women, most of the female guards.
• 1:04:35
  By the way, these women were selling contraband. They were selling drugs,
• 1:04:41
  they were selling weapons, they were selling phones, they were dealers, they
• 1:04:46
  were mules, they were actively involved. There were probably members of the same
• 1:04:53
  gang that took jobs at the prison to facilitate that work. And I bet
• 1:05:00
  they were selling sex too. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah they were.
• 1:05:03
  They were selling tits and as m hmm, everything in between. So
• 1:05:11
  the question becomes were they all preyed upon because they were vulnerable? Please?
• 1:05:19
  In fact, many of those guards had been employed at the BCDC for years.
• 1:05:25
  I'm participated avidly in the goings on years. Yeah, it's I mean,
• 1:05:36
  as much as I hate to say it, it's kind of like how
• 1:05:39
  socialists hate fucking capitalism, right, Like, these women knew how to get
• 1:05:45
  money, they found a way, they found some things to sell to get
• 1:05:49
  money and albeit illegally. Right. Yeah, that's just kind of what it
• 1:05:58
  is. But I don't know where I'm going with this. I'm just going
• 1:06:02
  to hop off this train. A Tin Bottle says that the writer is a
• 1:06:12
  tool. That's the writer. He's referring to his Jeffrey Tubin because he the
• 1:06:15
  thing about love. Tubin refers to only passing who seemed to develop a love
• 1:06:19
  for inmates, even looney. I think we should start calling Jeffrey Tubin Jeffrey
• 1:06:26
  Toolbin. He's not just a tool. He is the entire toolbin, self
• 1:06:33
  applied tool. The concept of the self licking ice cream. I don't I
• 1:06:42
  don't want to look it up. It's not it's not as sinister as it's
• 1:06:46
  well it is. It's just not sinister in the sexual way as sinister in
• 1:06:50
  the political way. Yeah, and it's something that exists just to fix the
• 1:06:56
  problem that it creates. You know. Yelp, that's that's politics in a
• 1:07:01
  nutshell right there. I thought you were going to say it's one of those
• 1:07:08
  you know, those Claymation like videos that get all weird and like see a
• 1:07:14
  guy like morphs into these I think that's the kind of imagery It seeks to
• 1:07:18
  conjure the point. It's making us far more siniscent. Yeah, I can
• 1:07:26
  see every everything's fine. Yeah, it sucks how everything's fine. Yeah,
• 1:07:31
  I'm going to imagine a problem. Oh my God, there's a problem.
• 1:07:35
  Let's fix it. Yeah, we fix the problem. I just imagined another
• 1:07:40
  problem. What are we going to do? Yeah? Yeah. Richard Bier
• 1:07:45
  gave his four ninety nine and said, what's the difference between a for profit
• 1:07:49
  private prison and a government prison where the staff are all gang members? Well,
• 1:07:55
  there's not. A for profit private prison might still staff gang members,
• 1:08:01
  but but now the public can hold them accountable, so whereas it's very hard
• 1:08:11
  to hold the government accountable. The problem is that the public doesn't have the
• 1:08:15
  attitude to hold prison administrators accountable. Yet we need to change that too,
• 1:08:23
  because we are our society is way too quick to throw people away like they're
• 1:08:31
  people. They're not garbage, they're people. They do something stupid. They're
• 1:08:35
  a person who did something stupid and needs help trying to become their better self.
• 1:08:44
  And there's a very tiny percentage of the population that doesn't have a better
• 1:08:49
  self to become because they have some sort of psychological or intellectual or combined set
• 1:08:57
  of disabilities that are never to be overcome. And if it's a handicap,
• 1:09:02
  then they deserve humane treatment, not punishment, and that that would be a
• 1:09:09
  different type of institution, not something that's designed to punish. So our whole
• 1:09:15
  prison system is wrong, Our whole justice system is wrong. It's based on
• 1:09:20
  punishment and not rehabilitation and not salvaging people so that they can be part of
• 1:09:28
  the community and become a contributing factor to the advancement of our community instead of
• 1:09:35
  people that we take our anger out on and look down on like we're better
• 1:09:41
  than they are. You know, most of the time you look at the
• 1:09:46
  lives of people who spend years and years in prison for stupid things like using
• 1:09:53
  the wrong substances or getting you know, getting involved with other criminals, other
• 1:10:00
  people that that commit crimes, and being there during those crimes. There have
• 1:10:04
  been people that have gone to jail for initially their first foray into jail was
• 1:10:10
  because they were in the car with other people when those other people did something
• 1:10:15
  that got them put in jail, and those other people were like, oh,
• 1:10:18
  yeah, he was he was one of us, he was with us.
• 1:10:21
  Um. So those kind of things, those kind of things result in
• 1:10:28
  in taking the greatest resource humanity has, and that is humanity itself out of
• 1:10:33
  the equation over and over again and robbing us, you know, of our
• 1:10:41
  of our our fellow human beings who could be our teammates, and it just
• 1:10:47
  and it it turns us too. It hurts. It hurts who you are.
• 1:10:53
  And when you become the person that looks at that other person and looks
• 1:10:56
  down at them and says, you know, I'm better than you, Like,
• 1:10:59
  how do you know you are? What would you have done in that
• 1:11:01
  situation? You know? How do you know that everybody that you know is
• 1:11:09
  upstanding? Right? That my my childhood eye doctor, I went to jail
• 1:11:16
  as a pedophile. He was always perfectly normal around me. I think it's
• 1:11:28
  because my dad would have killed him. But I had no clue. My
• 1:11:36
  my creepy darn never went off right. There was there was nobody, Nobody
• 1:11:44
  had a clue except for his victims. And he was caught by another adult
• 1:11:50
  in the act. So it wasn't something that you know, you could say,
• 1:11:54
  well, maybe he didn't, Maybe they made it up. Maybe this
• 1:11:57
  maybe no kid I sat and had lunch with every day when I was thirteen
• 1:12:04
  with my friend group. When we were twenty three, he murdered a thirteen
• 1:12:11
  year old, left your body in a cornfield. And if you'd asked me
• 1:12:18
  when we were thirteen, is this guy gonna grow up and kill somebody.
• 1:12:21
  I'd been like, are you crazy? He's quiet, shy, he's nice
• 1:12:27
  to everybody. He's the only one that didn't participate in a food fight.
• 1:12:30
  We all got in trouble for like he was. He was afraid to get
• 1:12:35
  in trouble for it. But he grew up and killed it. He murdered
• 1:12:39
  a thirteen year old girl. Physical evidence proved it like that was. You
• 1:12:46
  know, so you don't know that you've picked the best people, or the
• 1:12:53
  wisest people, the least vulnerable to becoming the bad guy people as fan like
• 1:13:00
  I unknowingly for a short time hung out with drug dealers when I was in
• 1:13:05
  high school, and and then nobody believed me when I tried to turn them
• 1:13:13
  in until a year later when everything I told them was going to happen started
• 1:13:17
  happening, and like that kind of stuff. I could have just as easily
• 1:13:24
  made the decision after I found out who those guys really were, to just
• 1:13:30
  become part of that group. You know, I could have just as easily
• 1:13:32
  said, well, you know, I really like these people. They're not
• 1:13:35
  bad people, you know, they're just misguided. I'm going to try to
• 1:13:40
  save them all, or I'm going to join their group and do what they
• 1:13:43
  do, you know, any of those things, Right, that's just people
• 1:13:47
  make little in the moment decisions like that all the time, and to throw
• 1:13:56
  them away in a system that doesn't focus on rehabilitation but focuses on punishment and
• 1:14:00
  creates like this is essentially and you know, an an underground market, a
• 1:14:09
  black market that exploits everybody in the prison system and makes them feel successful.
• 1:14:19
  Like it's great to be able to buy a BMW, right, but when
• 1:14:24
  you know it really sucks is buying a BMW that you can never drive because
• 1:14:30
  you're in prison. And it's not like I'd rather have a fricking Gremlin and
• 1:14:39
  be able to drive it then have a BMW in my name on the outside
• 1:14:47
  and be in prison. Yeah right, I was gonna say, the only
• 1:14:54
  thing worse is having a BMW that you can't afford to fix, because that's
• 1:14:59
  literally like all BMWs. Yeah, what's the warranty expires? You can't afford
• 1:15:04
  to fix a fucking thing on that thing? And well, I mean,
• 1:15:09
  I mean a lot of people can't. Some can, but you know,
• 1:15:15
  once the warranty is out, if things get expensive, Cadillacs like that too.
• 1:15:19
  Yeah, we Um, we bought a defunct Cadillac. Like it doesn't
• 1:15:27
  it didn't, it doesn't run. Um, while it didn't run, it
• 1:15:30
  does now, but it still has serious problems. Like and it's it's more
• 1:15:34
  expensive than any other used car we've ever bought, but it's it's nice to
• 1:15:40
  ride in. It's actually the smoothest ride I've ever had in a car.
• 1:15:45
  Um besides years ago, Uh, my aunt and uncle had a a Lincoln
• 1:15:54
  town Car that was it wasn't brand new, but it was pretty close to
• 1:15:57
  new, and it was like riding on a magic carpet compared to the way
• 1:16:01
  most cars drive. But I just the way that this article has struck me,
• 1:16:11
  you know, like I just it breaks your heart to realize what we're
• 1:16:16
  doing to the people in our society that are vulnerable because they are not raised
• 1:16:26
  to avoid stupid mistakes. Yeah, and like that that has to change,
• 1:16:31
  and it starts in the juvenile justice system. You know what we've been reading
• 1:16:35
  about here. The same study that found that the majority of sexual misconduct staff
• 1:16:45
  perpetrated sexual misconduct in adult prisons is perpetrated by female staff, found that ninety
• 1:16:53
  five percent of inmates reporting staff sexual misconduct in juvenile detention facilities where a kid
• 1:17:03
  can be in there. That that that's only like ten years old, right,
• 1:17:08
  that's female perpetrated as well. And staff misconduct out numbers. Um,
• 1:17:17
  I've just been told who I summoned to the chat. But staff they're out
• 1:17:21
  numbers. Uh, out numbers are the staff perpetration, out numbers the inmate
• 1:17:28
  perpetration. So we're we're looking at we hear about prison rape um as a
• 1:17:32
  as a male perpetrated thing and as a thing that can be added into the
• 1:17:40
  numbers of male perpetration in the United States. Right, But when we read
• 1:17:45
  this stuff and we look at juvenile facilities and we look at this um,
• 1:17:50
  it's clear that it's it's adding to the numbers of female perpetration, and it
• 1:17:56
  has an effect on the ability to rehabit illitate a person who goes to jail
• 1:18:02
  for committing a crime, especially when that person is ten years old. So
• 1:18:12
  let's see, spending years as a prison guard in a place like the BCDC
• 1:18:17
  is hardly a prescription for maintaining one's maidenly innocence. And of course the money
• 1:18:24
  was good. What about the female guard that constitutes Tubin's sole example out of
• 1:18:30
  hundreds of guards of a vulnerable woman quote seduced by an unscrupulous inmate. Here
• 1:18:38
  are the facts, as described by a federal prosecutor. The guard was one
• 1:18:45
  of the very most prolific of the abusers of the system, one of the
• 1:18:50
  ones who worked the longest and hardest at smuggling and generally subverting the proper administration
• 1:19:00
  of the Baltimore City Detention Center. Uh uh, not surprised. Sound like
• 1:19:09
  an innocent lamb to you. Yeah, she was coursed and manipulated, Yeah,
• 1:19:18
  into doing what she did under his thraw. Yeah, the thrall,
• 1:19:26
  A man's thrall hangs down in a little protective sat right. Sorry, guys,
• 1:19:35
  I had to um it, Brooke Lawren. Oh god, Yeah.
• 1:19:45
  Every time we say somebody was under his thrall, we need a James Bond
• 1:19:51
  picture, like you know, with the spread legs, but the instead of
• 1:19:57
  um just looking up, it's the big big nuts hanging down. It's like
• 1:20:02
  being under a turkey's Yes, Jackie, James Bond would have this huge wattle.
• 1:20:10
  Yeah, she's under his throttle. Sorry, I guess you guys know
• 1:20:18
  by now I'm a bit of a perf um but we have. But I'm
• 1:20:25
  not the primary right. Federal judge, this is the best sentence in the
• 1:20:34
  whole thing. Federal Judge Ellen Hollander didn't think. So she sentenced the guard
• 1:20:40
  to forty two months in prison. What would a guy get forty two months?
• 1:20:51
  Maybe forty four or five years? I don't know. I mean,
• 1:20:58
  well, what's it gonna do? Is that going to teach her a lesson?
• 1:21:00
  You know what? I mean? Anything that's while you were working in
• 1:21:04
  prison, now you're going to live there exactly exactly. If anything, it's
• 1:21:10
  she's just going to be put right back into the system where she understands how
• 1:21:14
  the fucking things work, and she still aren't Jesus Christ. I wonder what
• 1:21:20
  I wonder if there's a similar system in place in the women's prison, or
• 1:21:27
  if the women aren't able to cooperate like that. You know what, that's
• 1:21:32
  a very good question. I mean, I would think that they would cooperate
• 1:21:40
  like that because in the system like prison, you know, everybody wants the
• 1:21:45
  things that you can't get on the inside. They all want that, right,
• 1:21:49
  so I have to capitalize on that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
• 1:21:56
  I would think that it's just a thriving as thriving of business as it is
• 1:22:00
  in a male prison. And maybe either that might be a little bit pretentious
• 1:22:09
  of meats who insinuate. But maybe it might even be easier to get away
• 1:22:14
  with yeah in a women's prison, because they are seen as unsuspecting. Yeah,
• 1:22:23
  they might be able to play innocent. I know the guards might be
• 1:22:27
  a little savvy to that, given where they are, But who knows.
• 1:22:31
  I know one thing. If a man, it's a prison guard, and
• 1:22:38
  then he gets sentenced to prison, he's dead. Oh yeah, he's dead
• 1:22:44
  or raped to death, which is also dead. He's he's dead. He's
• 1:22:49
  just dead meat. Like. I don't know if that's the same with women.
• 1:22:56
  But it goes on, And that, my friends, is the extent
• 1:22:59
  of Tuban's evidence that female guards were the witless dupes of male inmates. Boy
• 1:23:05
  Jeffrey Tubin sure has a high opinion of women, doesn't he. It amounts
• 1:23:12
  to three things. Blandishments from a long dead thug and a book that possibly
• 1:23:16
  no one read, and that in any case everyone ignored. Two a vague
• 1:23:23
  theory that inmates targeted uniquely vulnerable guards. Vulnerable prison guards, yes, supported
• 1:23:30
  by three A single quote example of a guard described as one of the very
• 1:23:36
  most prolific of the abusers of the system. That's Tuban's case thin gruel indeed,
• 1:23:45
  and now a word about language. Feminists talk a lot about the intersectionality
• 1:23:53
  of issues like race, sex, and class, so it's interesting that Tuban,
• 1:23:57
  who's carrying the water for feminism, describes the BGF and Tavon White in
• 1:24:00
  terms we might expect from the Grand Dragon of the Ku klux Klan. Recall
• 1:24:08
  that he quoted George Jackson saying women need an overseer to supplement their weakness.
• 1:24:14
  Jackson used the word overseer advisedly, connoting as it does a slave master.
• 1:24:20
  Jackson was then speaking in explicitly racist and sexist terms, comparing men to slave
• 1:24:26
  overseers and women to their charges. The term was both offensive and intended to
• 1:24:30
  be, and Tuban quotes it with appropriate condemnation, which makes all the more
• 1:24:40
  remarkable his use of the term preyed on to describe the bgf's relationship to female
• 1:24:46
  guards. It's impossible that Tuban is unaware of the long history of comparing black
• 1:24:53
  men to animals, specifically predatory ones that's mostly been applied to their relationships to
• 1:24:59
  white women and often used to promote the lynching of blackmails accused of rape,
• 1:25:03
  but Tubin applies it to the concept of black male black female relationships, which
• 1:25:09
  places his article squarely within one of the most reprehensible of feminist traditions. So
• 1:25:17
  and I would agree, probably George Jackson was trying to be provocative, and
• 1:25:21
  he probably thought he was being sexist. But I still think his observations were
• 1:25:30
  observations and not just words pulled out of his ass right. But we've raised
• 1:25:40
  both sexes in our society to believe that any criticism of women as sexists,
• 1:25:44
  so it's not surprising that that that would be considered as such. But this,
• 1:25:51
  this is interesting. Feminism has always had its problems with race. In
• 1:25:57
  eighteen fifty one, white feminists a women's convention in Akron, Ohio, at
• 1:26:02
  which black former slave Sojourner Truth spoke up to inquire ain't I a woman?
• 1:26:10
  As a poor, uneducated black woman, she saw all too clearly the chasm
• 1:26:15
  between her and the tony white women at the meeting. In the early twentieth
• 1:26:19
  century, white suffragettes or suffragists, abjured the concept of votes for all women,
• 1:26:26
  preferring to leave their black sisters in the dust. When Betty Friedan wrote
• 1:26:30
  that to cure the oppression of being white, highly educated, and kept in
• 1:26:35
  leisure by a working husband, women needed only the tonic, the tonic of
• 1:26:43
  wage work, many black women gaped in astonishment. Yeah, and black women
• 1:26:49
  who know well the history that white women's cries of rape produce the produced the
• 1:26:58
  strange fruit of black men hanging from trees. For the younger generations. There
• 1:27:04
  is a song with that name that's a reference, UM, and it's a
• 1:27:09
  it's a gut wrenching song. Actually, if you know what it's about,
• 1:27:15
  UM, understandably look askance at white feminist use of rape to increase the incarceration
• 1:27:23
  rates of men, particularly black ones. So we're we're really seeing, Um,
• 1:27:30
  he's hitting two. Been pretty hard here because what we're looking at in
• 1:27:33
  terms of this article, and and I'm gonna I'm gonna continue, but I
• 1:27:38
  want to, um bring some of this together. Um, there is a
• 1:27:45
  pretty sad and angering history of women using their sexuality. And in particular,
• 1:27:55
  you know, because ours, our our history and in the United States has
• 1:28:00
  such high racial tensions and such egregious division in recognition of human rights, there
• 1:28:10
  is a an egregious history of racist, right, white women using their sexuality
• 1:28:17
  and their perceived vulnerability and innocence as a weapon against black men. And there's
• 1:28:25
  there's a history of women exploiting black men and then doing that to them.
• 1:28:32
  And it's something that I think, I think most people, most people are
• 1:28:42
  probably aware of it now. But back in the days when that was happening,
• 1:28:47
  you know, people people thought of there being a difference in morality between
• 1:28:54
  the races and a difference and intelligence between the races. They had these beliefs
• 1:28:58
  that were like really out in left field about um in animal nature and so
• 1:29:06
  on, and black people that was different from white people. And and like
• 1:29:11
  you know, there are no there are no white cannibals um. Like human
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  nature is animal nature. It's not divided between the races that one is more
• 1:29:23
  than another. You know, we all have. Every race has people within
• 1:29:30
  it that have gotten so warped that they've gone back to this weird instinctive behavior
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  UM. And it's a dysfunction that is common to all races and both sexes,
• 1:29:42
  all religions, every age, you know, and something that we should
• 1:29:46
  address that way, but we didn't, and that's led to things that are
• 1:29:55
  horrible to remember or learn about. UM. And what I want to point
• 1:30:03
  out in regard to this is the exploitation that and then the throwing under the
• 1:30:13
  bus that happened back in that day. Um. You know, by by
• 1:30:16
  white women to black men, isn't all that different at all than using a
• 1:30:26
  male prisoner's dysfunction against him while he's in prison and exploiting him for cash,
• 1:30:36
  exploiting his criminal behaviors for cash, and exploiting him for sex, and then
• 1:30:44
  playing victim when you get caught. I was under his thrall, like there's
• 1:30:53
  no difference, And it doesn't matter what color the person is that does it.
• 1:30:58
  It's injury. It's treating men like they're animalistic and worth less or worthless
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  because they are men. And it isn't a color thing. It's a female
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  thing. Is there such a thing as being under a woman's for all?
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  M I mean, it would open up a hell with a can of worms
• 1:31:28
  if that was such a thing, because we'd have to examine what Hammond,
• 1:31:31
  what happens to a man's general. You know, chemistry under the thrall of
• 1:31:39
  a woman, and I'm not just talking about the pharomones will not paramondes,
• 1:31:44
  but you know chemical signals that are brought along by women's tears. How how
• 1:31:50
  men and women u ineftively manipulate each other using pharomones, not just in the
• 1:31:57
  human species, but in not just in mammal species, but in animal species
• 1:32:03
  in general. Like the very idea of a thrall rubs up against the very
• 1:32:11
  sort of hardwired nature of sexual animals as opposed to a sexual animals. Yeah,
• 1:32:20
  and it just it just constantly talks about the male thrall over women without
• 1:32:26
  ever even opening the door on the idea of what might be female thrall over
• 1:32:33
  males, Like it could ever be a thing? No, no, no,
• 1:32:38
  men can take it or leave it. Yeah men, men don't.
• 1:32:41
  Men not care about female approval they never have. Yeah, yeah, like
• 1:32:48
  thinking leave it, it doesn't matter. People believe this. People believe this
• 1:32:56
  like they believe in gravity. It's yeah. And that is why when a
• 1:33:02
  woman makes a false allegation of rape and her friends hunt the accused down and
• 1:33:11
  kill him, they get the blame and she doesn't. Because people don't see.
• 1:33:20
  Like men's throll hangs down in a protective sack, women's is invisible.
• 1:33:30
  It's not even there. It's such as invisible men have a thrall sack women
• 1:33:35
  don't. Don't ask me to prove it. That just makes you some kind
• 1:33:41
  of science deny it. That's right, that's right. So here we have,
• 1:33:47
  you know, this modern situation today where these women are exploiting mostly black
• 1:33:55
  men. You know, there are there are Hispanic men being exploited in this
• 1:34:00
  manner as well. There are probably some white men being exploited as well.
• 1:34:05
  But the overwhelming majority of the United States prison population, from juvenile on up
• 1:34:12
  through the oldest adult, is black. And so that's who is bearing the
• 1:34:19
  brunt of this is black men, and it's mostly black women doing it to
• 1:34:25
  them. According to this story. Again, Tubin knows this his uses of
• 1:34:34
  his use of frankly racist terminology at all is disgraceful, but that he does
• 1:34:40
  so in a liberal publication promoting feminist values, it continues one of the worst
• 1:34:45
  traditions of a movement that's already so offended people that only twenty percent at that
• 1:34:49
  time it was only twenty percent according to Huffington Post slash Yugov poll identify with
• 1:34:57
  it. And unfortunately, and where there's been an influx of zoomers who are
• 1:35:03
  calling themselves feminist, um that don't really know that this is what feminism really
• 1:35:10
  is. You might think that it that using racism to promote feminism would go
• 1:35:15
  beyond the pale, but no intersectionality, never heard of it. So I'm
• 1:35:21
  not pointing something else out here, real quick. Um, In India,
• 1:35:29
  cast is the the thing that is sort of the equivalent of racial differences here
• 1:35:35
  in the United States, social cast. And it's partly economic and partly racial,
• 1:35:45
  and and and partly religious. There's a bunch of factors that go into
• 1:35:49
  it. But everything that he's saying here, Um, I've seen and heard
• 1:35:57
  listening to Indian men on reading the tweets of Indian men on Twitter about how
• 1:36:05
  women behave and how women treat them and how invisible a man can be if
• 1:36:11
  he's a lower cast unless she has a use for him, and then when
• 1:36:15
  she's done, he becomes a criminal for having associated with her at all.
• 1:36:20
  And how women are believed if they accuse men of a lower cast than themselves,
• 1:36:30
  and so they'll use men of lower cast and then accuse them because they
• 1:36:39
  don't want people to know they were slumming. Basically like that, That's kind
• 1:36:45
  of what's going on here as well, these women are slumming in the most
• 1:36:54
  captive slum that you could slum in. Right, the residents can't leave and
• 1:37:00
  they can't get a woman somewhere else, the most slumming Islam that ever could
• 1:37:05
  slum. Yeah, you know, and they go for the slum lord and
• 1:37:12
  they're like, yeah, I really am you know, doing well? And
• 1:37:15
  as soon as they get caught, what do they do? It made me
• 1:37:16
  do it. I'm a victim. M hm. It's um. Every every
• 1:37:24
  country has this. Every every um culture has this, even cultures that we
• 1:37:31
  view again our society views as um misogynistic for various reasons. There they still
• 1:37:40
  have this where a woman of a higher um status social status, economic status
• 1:37:47
  can slum and then throw the lower status man under the bus, and you
• 1:37:57
  know, she's believed and he's in trouble. So oh. The New Yorker
• 1:38:06
  piece, like the absurdities of Adele Mercier, is both the good news and
• 1:38:15
  the bad. It's bad because these people continue to peddle their snake oil in
• 1:38:18
  places of influence, major universities, widely read publications. But it's good because
• 1:38:24
  their arguments are so weak, So it odds with facts so violative of basic
• 1:38:30
  decency and morality that they horrify as many people as they convince, probably more.
• 1:38:36
  The more feminists talk, the more people they alienate. That's something to
• 1:38:41
  celebrate. And that is the end of the article. So you know my
• 1:38:49
  reason for wanting to go over this. We had been talking about due process
• 1:38:56
  in false allegations and and the phenomenon of women, you know, exploiting basically
• 1:39:10
  slumming and then exploiting false allegations to cover their ass. This is this is
• 1:39:15
  the most egregious example of it. It's women that work in the prison systems
• 1:39:20
  and work for the gangs in the prison systems and sort of slum with the
• 1:39:29
  prisoners and then turn around and play victim and level false allegations He made me
• 1:39:38
  do it, and throw those men under the bus when they get caught Like
• 1:39:45
  that is the epitome of pathetic. Like you can't get weaker than a person
• 1:39:50
  who would do that to another person, Like not just any person, but
• 1:39:57
  pick a person who literally can't get a away from you. He is in
• 1:40:00
  prison and you are his guard. He literally can't escape you, right,
• 1:40:08
  and he's afraid to tell you know, because if he tells, you know,
• 1:40:15
  you have authority over him. We can make his life miserable, but
• 1:40:21
  it's his fault that you did that, because he's cynical and devious, and
• 1:40:30
  we're supposed to just believe that this is not an example of female predators,
• 1:40:39
  like this is the example. Yeah, this is the prime example. What
• 1:40:46
  do women do when there's no threat, when they're in control, when they
• 1:40:55
  have all the power, they do this? Mm hm. So I think
• 1:41:04
  we're gonna go ahead and call it. Let me see if I've got any
• 1:41:08
  super chose. I think I read the last super chat um that was from
• 1:41:15
  Richard earlier, with the differences between the prisons. Yeah, there we go.
• 1:41:24
  So Meredith g gave us five dollars and said, HBr talk two sixty
• 1:41:30
  eight, honey for the Badgers, thanks for the important and meaningful conversation.
• 1:41:32
  And missus Anna of ARC. Missus Anna of ARC gave us five dollars and
• 1:41:36
  said, if it wasn't for the gut or, our minds would be homeless,
• 1:41:39
  I mean houseless. Ye that that that's true. I will I'll cop
• 1:41:45
  to that. It's what's the saying for Monty Python. It's a fair cop.
• 1:41:50
  Yeah, we have let's see. Yeah, got a lot of comments
• 1:42:01
  on rumble. That's good, that's awesome. Yeah, mangaka ninety two.
• 1:42:10
  Marriage serves two purposes, life insurance policy for women and a legal method for
• 1:42:15
  cruel women to torture men legally. Yeah, um mew mew of Foresina says,
• 1:42:27
  I wouldn't call them the purpose of marriage. That's like calling a hammer
• 1:42:31
  a murder murder tool. It's very useful but also a very dangerous tool.
• 1:42:36
  You need to use it responsibly, not abuse it. So I guess the
• 1:42:40
  best way to put it is, marriage was made for one thing. It
• 1:42:45
  was made to help people to communicate to their greater community. Like, we
• 1:42:53
  didn't need marriage until we had communities. Right, Marriage was made to communicate
• 1:42:58
  to the greater community. This is a family unit. Treat them as a
• 1:43:00
  family unit. We were bonded together as a family unit. The extended families
• 1:43:08
  of this family unit are allies now and as a community, we support this
• 1:43:15
  this family's unity. Right, That's what it was made for. How it's
• 1:43:20
  being used today is more like Maxwell's silver marriage, except it comes down upon
• 1:43:28
  his head instead of like Maxwell's silver hammer. Another old song. Uh so,
• 1:43:33
  if you if you're one of those people that like has has it,
• 1:43:38
  like a thing for um, cheerful murder songs like that. You know that
• 1:43:45
  they use in horror stories. If you listen to um, just just it's
• 1:43:53
  you. You have to hear it. You just have to hear it.
• 1:43:55
  It's it's a happy, cheerful murder song. Um, it's just weird.
• 1:44:00
  But uh yeah, definitely a psycho killer song. Um. Then what else
• 1:44:08
  did we have that I saw that I wanted to? Yeah, women won't
• 1:44:17
  play place any blame on themselves. They just wind to the state to do
• 1:44:21
  something about it, and the state will punish ppbs. Um. That would
• 1:44:26
  be the uh uh passport bros. Yeah, and honestly that's a possibility.
• 1:44:36
  Um, although if you're immigrating to another country to get married, I don't
• 1:44:41
  think the state's gonna bother you after that. What can they do tax you?
• 1:44:45
  You don't you're not a citizen anymore. Um. But but yeah,
• 1:44:57
  how are men h supposed to refuse to have sex with women? Only women
• 1:45:01
  are supposed to do that? Well, that's another one. So back when
• 1:45:05
  that book was written, that might have been accepted. Um. Today,
• 1:45:14
  a woman would be able to accuse you of abuse if you refuse to have
• 1:45:17
  sex with her, Like that's especially if if you treat it as a punishment.
• 1:45:27
  UM, it won't work the other way around. If you try to
• 1:45:31
  accuse her of abuse under the same circumstance, then she accuses you of entitlement.
• 1:45:38
  And uh, yeah, it communicated to the to the community. I'm
• 1:45:45
  the father, I give this man responsibility to take care of my daughter and
• 1:45:47
  permission for him to sleep with her unless he fails to take care of her.
• 1:45:51
  Yeah. There there was that as well, um, because women were
• 1:45:58
  under their father's how hold until they were under their husband's household, right,
• 1:46:03
  But the woman of the house was in control of the household, like she
• 1:46:09
  did all of the stewardship of all of the resources in the household, So
• 1:46:14
  she'd better know what she was doing, or she would she would suck it
• 1:46:17
  up for everybody. So there you go. I think that's pretty much everything
• 1:46:23
  I can find to read off and respond to. UM. I can't tell
• 1:46:29
  for sure if the two super chats. Was there a live stream earlier today?
• 1:46:42
  Okay, because we had a super chat or super chow from one thirty
• 1:46:46
  eight pm and one from five twenty five pm responding to the um debate between
• 1:46:58
  Pearle and Ethan. It was yesterday? Was that yesterday? Yeah? Okay,
• 1:47:04
  so somebody just posted two super I'll read them. Then one of them
• 1:47:13
  was ZERANX gave us ten dollars and said, all that you said you do
• 1:47:17
  sounds like you don't do much at all. Just kidding. Imagine getting out
• 1:47:21
  of Cherrac with the joker presiding over the city and Jervis I don't know how
• 1:47:30
  to pronounce his name. I think it's Jervis tech mad hatter takes over talk
• 1:47:34
  about dodging bullets. So for whoever was listening to that show, they'll know
• 1:47:39
  what that's about. Um Iggy Thunders gave us. I'm not sure if this
• 1:47:45
  is a misprint. I can't even that can't be right. It's oh,
• 1:47:53
  okay, never mind, it's fifty dollars and then five dollars and then fifty
• 1:47:56
  dollars. I'm like, what the hell is that. That's not five million
• 1:48:01
  dollars or five billion dollars. Nobody gave us five billion dollars. Pearl's mistake
• 1:48:06
  was assuming that Ethan was a good faith actor, so she didn't know him
• 1:48:12
  the second he started stepping on her, telling her what her content was,
• 1:48:15
  calling her anist in lieu of an argument she should have stopped playing a rigged
• 1:48:20
  game of baseball and started playing football by calling him a liar in a weasel
• 1:48:25
  to his face, putting him on his back foot, and forcing him stop
• 1:48:28
  lying and stop using bully tactics so he would climb up a cross and fain
• 1:48:32
  wounded civility when he called her one of the dreaded issts in lieu of a
• 1:48:39
  cogent point, because that's all Sloyd droids really can think to do, because
• 1:48:44
  they don't have valid points. Let's face it, there was a trap card.
• 1:48:46
  You can call me whatever, Ethan, but now prove me wrong,
• 1:48:49
  because that's just an opinion, and I don't respect it because I don't respect
• 1:48:54
  you. I will say what I want and you can say whatever you want.
• 1:49:00
  But in the end, you have to make an argument. That's how
• 1:49:02
  you deal with a bad faith actor when they to the police. They when
• 1:49:04
  they imply and obfuskate the worst. You don't back down. You double down.
• 1:49:10
  You don't play baseball, You play football until they wise up and realize
• 1:49:14
  baseball is called a gentleman's sport for a reason. Yeah, I um so
• 1:49:19
  this was Ethan Ralph R. What's his name? What was it the other
• 1:49:30
  Ethan? Okay, I'm I was wondering, Okay, Okay, I was
• 1:49:32
  like, I am what I was wondering, why we're we're calling Ethan Ralph
• 1:49:39
  Ralph Assi anything? But that makes more sense, umcause I haven't seen the
• 1:49:45
  debate, so now I'm curious. Um, but she hasn't been in this
• 1:49:49
  for very long? Oh h three h oh oh okay, okay, okay,
• 1:49:57
  yeah, that explains the whole thing. That explains everything. But yeah,
• 1:50:04
  she hasn't been in this for very long, um in comparison, and
• 1:50:10
  she probably wasn't all that familiar with him. But yeah, wow, um,
• 1:50:20
  now I now I might have to watch it just just to holy shit.
• 1:50:26
  But yeah, she probably could. Um could have benefited from watching a
• 1:50:32
  bunch of his content before going on to talk to him. He's got a
• 1:50:36
  lot of content. Yeah, difficult to know where to start. Yeah,
• 1:50:42
  I mean, you could start in the middle and you get kind of an
• 1:50:45
  idea anywhere in the middle, and you get kind of an idea of this
• 1:50:48
  the type of person that you'd be dealing with when you're in an argument.
• 1:50:55
  But every so often I get into a tangle with one of his fans over
• 1:51:03
  something and then they start calling me a feminist because they think it's going to
• 1:51:09
  piss me off and cause me to make mistakes. It's like it's it's almost
• 1:51:14
  like a default button, like, oh, I'm losing the argument. I'm
• 1:51:21
  not getting anywhere. I can't seem to shake this woman. You're a feminist?
• 1:51:27
  Well yeah, why am I a feminist? What specifically, um makes
• 1:51:30
  me a feminist? You know? And as soon as I start asking questions,
• 1:51:33
  what is it that constitutes the feminist victim narrative? In what I have
• 1:51:39
  said here? Um that you know, you're gonna tell me that it's feminist?
• 1:51:44
  How is it feminist? And they can't. They never come back it.
• 1:51:49
  But it's not even that's feminist. Yeah, as you discovered, it
• 1:51:56
  goes from um, that's exist to your exist? Yeah. I fell into
• 1:52:03
  Paul books identity of politics. Yep, the argument. You just skip over
• 1:52:09
  the argument and apply any given argument to the person making it. It's fun
• 1:52:15
  to watch them try to defend that because as soon as you start asking him
• 1:52:18
  for some sort of evidence to back their their argument, you know, how
• 1:52:24
  do you prove it? You know, it's burden approves on you. You
• 1:52:27
  say, I'm a feminist can you prove it, show evidence of my feminism,
• 1:52:31
  you know, and they never can, Like they come up with these
• 1:52:34
  these arguments, you know this, well this and that is feminist. Well
• 1:52:39
  how is it feminist? And that's where it ends. They usually, you
• 1:52:43
  know, just start staying a bunch of stupid shit bouncing around like a super
• 1:52:46
  bowl and a stairwell, and and then eventually they'll they'll sod off or the
• 1:52:54
  conversation just ends or they get annoying without any point to the conversation and you
• 1:53:00
  have to block. But yeah, I uh, I find um, I
• 1:53:06
  find Pearl interesting, but not necessarily like I'm not holding my breath for any
• 1:53:12
  of any of the women that came on the scene and then just suddenly made
• 1:53:15
  it big. Um. I know that takes a publicist and a formula,
• 1:53:20
  it's not. Yeah, yeah, And I suspect that part of it is
• 1:53:30
  um, you know, as because they have a publicist, they have assistance
• 1:53:34
  in getting their views out and everything. But also part of it is if
• 1:53:39
  you look at um, the social media organizations that that want a certain perspective
• 1:53:46
  to be approved and another perspective to be disapproved. UM, they're more likely
• 1:53:54
  to promote somebody that isn't hitting them hard enough over somebody that hits them too
• 1:54:01
  hard, because then they can look like they're allowing free thought when actually they're
• 1:54:09
  still silencing, you know, people who are willing to actually point out things
• 1:54:15
  like, yes, women women who are really obedient are topping from the bottom,
• 1:54:24
  you know. Yes, women who are submissive are actually very very cleverly
• 1:54:31
  dominating, and uh, you don't and and and they're responsible when, um,
• 1:54:38
  when the shit goes wrong with that, right, they're responsible when that
• 1:54:42
  goes sideways for them or him. And you don't see a lot of that
• 1:54:46
  with the bigger like they're they're more politically correct, just marginally, just enough
• 1:54:57
  for the uh you know, it's for the for the social media to let
• 1:55:03
  him stay. Just like you'll notice, Um, you know, Karen,
• 1:55:09
  she was on Twitter, I don't know four months before she got banned,
• 1:55:15
  maybe not even that long. And Allison and I have had to walk a
• 1:55:20
  very thin line to be able to say the things that we say and still
• 1:55:26
  remain on Twitter up until you know now it's not as hard, but you
• 1:55:31
  had to be very you had to police your language very carefully. And um,
• 1:55:36
  you had if you were going to make an argument or a statement that
• 1:55:41
  was more politically incorrect than Twitter would tolerate you. You really had to make
• 1:55:47
  it so iron clad that you could defend it when people reported you for saying
• 1:55:54
  something misogynistic. And uh so there's a lot of hard work that goes into
• 1:56:00
  that. So we are sort of like the older sibling that has all the
• 1:56:08
  accidents in in on you know, like YouTube and other social media like that.
• 1:56:13
  We're kind of like the older sibling that has all the accidents that the
• 1:56:17
  younger sibling then has to navigate rules that didn't exist when we were around.
• 1:56:25
  Um because of those accidents and and and you know, can blame the older
• 1:56:30
  sibling. Well, I'm not allowed to do this because when when you did
• 1:56:33
  it, you got injured. Uh with social media, it's I'm not allowed
• 1:56:39
  to talk about this or say this or I can't get delve too deeply into
• 1:56:43
  this because when you did it, it made people think. And so there's
• 1:56:49
  I'm not sure what I think yet of these women um as as uh per
• 1:56:58
  their ethics and their knowledge of the issues, and they're how red pilled are
• 1:57:05
  they and all that kind of thing, because I think it's hard to judge
• 1:57:10
  when they came along after all of the rules were set, and so they're
• 1:57:17
  they're they may be topping from the bottom a little bit. They may be
• 1:57:24
  not as red pilled as the honey Badgers are. They may be still learning,
• 1:57:30
  you know, like they may have jumped into this and are discovering it
• 1:57:33
  as they talk about it, and it maybe got famous before they understood everything.
• 1:57:40
  I mean, I can still remember when I thought the false allegation phenomenon
• 1:57:45
  was because of local judges that had their head up their asses before I realized,
• 1:57:51
  you know what, No, the Violence Against Women Act that was debated
• 1:57:55
  so heavily passed, and and that's like led to all this stuff, and
• 1:58:00
  it's it's facilitated it, and that's why it's this big. And actually there
• 1:58:05
  was a tendency before that, right now, like that that took research for
• 1:58:11
  me to understand all that. Like I knew it was wrong to engage in
• 1:58:14
  the behavior. I knew it was wrong to lie about somebody to get them
• 1:58:17
  in trouble. I didn't know how widespread it was. I didn't know how
• 1:58:21
  legally tolerated it was until I started learning from the Men's movement. So I
• 1:58:30
  I want to give them a chance, And I think they dove into the
• 1:58:34
  deep end and it's just possible, you know. And at the same time,
• 1:58:40
  they're women, so you can't just be like, well, you know,
• 1:58:44
  we can just trust them because they see this much, they're going to
• 1:58:46
  get it all. They're still women. You still have to vet them.
• 1:58:51
  But I wouldn't say make it a snap judgment one way or another. They
• 1:58:56
  may be feminist, they may be anti feminist, they may be traditional list
• 1:59:00
  a maybe anti traditionalist. They may get some things now and some things later.
• 1:59:04
  They may have an agenda. Just take your time. But I guess
• 1:59:15
  that's all I can really say about it. Um. But yeah, I
• 1:59:21
  wouldn't. I wouldn't go into a going into a debate with UH with age
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  three h three. Uh, it's like sword fighting a cannon. Not because
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  he's got more AMMO, but because he's not following the rules of of UM
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  engagement. Yeah, you know, like he's not winning the argument, he's
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  just making you look like you lost. M hm. So I think that's
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  that's about as good. Yes, sort of fighting a fart, You wear
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  yourself out and afterwards it still stinks um salt. Peter Taffy asked if talking
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  to Parley would UH be worthwhile on HI. I would love to have her
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  on UM or talk to her on her show. I wouldn't care, um,
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  but getting in touch with her is not easy. So that I like
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  I Uh, I think we we may have gotten her publicist information. UM,
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  but I'll have to I'll have to look into it. It would be
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  interesting. I mean, I'd be interesting in talking to either one of them.
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  You know, I'm always up for picking people's brains. Yeah. But
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  and night motorcyclist mentions, Um, they will silence a man once he starts
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  saying things pearly deems extreme. Does she have does she say that? What
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  do you say? Um, they will silence a man, uh, once
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  he starts saying things pearly deems extreme. He was responding to August Line and
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  their channels actually silence men's voices in this space because no man can compete with
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  a woman for attention, regardless of the validity of the argument. And then
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  so that's something that's a that's a phenomenon that's going to happen with any um,
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  any female in this space. It's unfortunate, Um, but people will
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  listen to us say the same thing that men in the men's rights movement have
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  said over and over again, and they'll act like they've heard something brand new
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  and innovative and wise, when they wouldn't have trusted it and they would have
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  argued with it vehemently when say Paul Elam said it, you know, and
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  it's I see that all the time. So I can't I can't necessarily blame
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  them for that, but I would advise other women in the movement. It
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  is important to mention that these are complaints that men have been making for years
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  and women haven't been listening. And when they listen to us, you know,
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  they should be they should be recognizing that these complaints were legitimate before we
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  agreed with them, and it's important to get that out there. It's important
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  to say. You know, you're always saying men don't speak for themselves,
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  right, You're always saying that toxic masculinity means men not complaining about their problems.
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  But what do women do when men complain? They tell them to shut
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  the fuck up and you know, listen to this list of reasons why your
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  complaints are invalid, you know, even though the reasons are themselves invalid.
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  That's what women do when men complain. And then when other other women.
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  A few other women finally point out you know, hey, these these guys
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  have a point. Here's the evidence, and and women are like, Okay,
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  well you know, why didn't they say that? You know what they
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  did they did for over a hundred years and you didn't listen. So now
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  we're here. But but they said it first, so it's it's it should
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  be on all of us to point that out. Um. But yeah,
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  I don't know. I guess, like I said, I would be I
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  would be happy to talk to to them, either one of them. Um,
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  somebody's been mentioning Roma Army. Um, i'd I'd be happy to talk
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  to either one of them. I don't know how well we get along,
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  Um, just depends on how open minded they are and how red pilled they
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  are. And you know, I'm mostly I'm I'm border black, borderline black
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  pilled at this point in a lot of ways. Um, but but I
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  think it would work. So anyway, with that, it's all the super
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  chats and all the super chows and and I need to get us on to
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  the after show. So thanks everyone for listening, and thanks to you guys
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  for sticking out this kind of long sausage with me. And thanks to everyone
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  who works in the background to make HBr talk happen. A good idle.
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  Can I let you