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Rebellion in New England: Goodwood Wonders, 'High 4' Stories & Panteras on the Move · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  John Summers is the motoring historian.
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  He was a company car thrashing, technology sales rep that turned into
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  a fairly inept sports bike rider.
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  Hailing from California, he collects cars and bikes built with plenty of
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  cheap and fast, and not much reliable.
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  On his show, he gets together with various co hosts to talk about new
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  and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing and motoring travel.
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  Good day.
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  Good morning.
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  Good afternoon.
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  It is John Summers, the history vendor.
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  That's a bit silly, that doesn't it?
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  But anyway, um, look, um, I have split, um, I did one long recording, didn't I?
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  And, and episode 11 was the first half of it.
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  And now this one, episode 12 is the second half of this one long recording.
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  Um, Yeah, so that's what the backstory and, and I'm just
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  gonna drop you straight in.
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  The next item on my agenda, the Goodwood Festival of Speed.
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  Yeah, I mean it was good.
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  We got a bit lucky with the weather, given Saturday was cancelled.
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  Um Why we went on the high winds, wind and rain.
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  Yeah.
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  Friday was a bit of a washout.
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  It was bucketing it down quite heavily.
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  And I think with the wind getting up for the Saturday, they were like, no, it's
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  going to be easier to just scratch it.
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  Um, and then have the Sunday.
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  So yeah, I mean, look, the Thursdays, it was a little bit quieter.
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  I mean, you wouldn't know it from the crowds now.
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  I mean, I've only been going for like the last three years running and.
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  Each year is noticeably busy.
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  Um, but it was lovely.
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  I mean, it's, it's, um, some quality stuff.
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  I mean, again, you can't see, you can technically see everything in a day,
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  but I mean, it's, I can't be bothered to charge around and be quite that
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  diligent with checking in on everything.
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  So, um, yeah, I went with my brother and a friend, a friend from work.
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  Um, well, a friend, uh, Jabra that I, that I, um, we sold to
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  at his concert subsequently.
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  And now, now mate, yeah.
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  Um, and, uh, yeah, no, we, and he took his lad, it was his son's 16th birthday
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  the day before, so he still counted as a junior in, um, uh, Goodwood's eyes.
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  And, uh, it was quite interesting.
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  They both, they both said to me in the drive, he came to my place and we drove
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  down in one car and, um, they both said to me that they, the, the car that they're
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  most passionate about is the Metro 6R4.
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  They only wanted to see a 6R4.
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  Could I guarantee there wasn't gonna be a 6R4?
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  I was like, well, no, I mean, if you ask me to guess, will there be one?
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  I would say, yeah, there probably will be.
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  There was last year.
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  If I recollect certainly in the paddock, there was one kicking around.
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  I think it was the computer vision blue one.
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  If I recollect, um, is the ironic livery.
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  Yeah, well, long story short, we got for about half nine.
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  Um, and in the second bunch of cars that went up, there were two Metro six off.
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  So they, they, they, uh, the, including the computer vision one and a red
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  one, I think a red and white one.
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  Um.
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  But yeah, so they thoroughly enjoyed that.
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  Um, and then they went off and did their thing.
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  They went up to the rally stage.
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  I hung around with my bra for the day, which was great.
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  Um, it, it, it, it's, it's, I mean, slightly, uh, you're slightly coddled as a
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  member on the basis that it, when everyone looking at you, getting to lunchtime,
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  you think, oh, yeah, it's a bit peckish.
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  And you look around at the food stalls and there's queues sort of 30 or 40 length.
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  You think, oh, and then I'm a bit on set.
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  I'm a member here.
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  So we wandered around to the, we've, and as it happened, I looked around
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  and said, where's the members?
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  Just a bit.
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  And it was about 50 yards away.
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  So Jamie, I can sign one person in.
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  So Jamie and I went and ate there where the queue was too deep.
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  And we had, uh, so we're able to sit at a nice table and, uh, it
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  was, it was much more relaxed.
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  As we pointed out, my brother said to me, now this is more what I,
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  this is more what I'm talking about.
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  Um, so we had a thoroughly nice afternoon.
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  I mean, look, my highlights in terms of cars getting back on track,
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  the McLaren livery on that P1.
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  You have to.
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  Well, no, but the McLaren, the, sorry, the, the, um, the Marlborough aping
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  livery on that McLaren P1 was fabulous.
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  Um, looked amazing.
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  Um, I like the RS that, and that, that Targa turbo 911 as well.
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  Um, the car that I was most excited to see, I don't think I actually
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  saw the, uh, the, um, what is it?
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  The Ioniq N, which for, uh, Anyone who hasn't, I mean, I'm not that bothered
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  about electric cars, but I like electric cars when they do electric, if you know
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  what I mean, when they do their own thing and don't try and be a different,
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  so what I like about what Hyundai have done is, uh, they've aped gears, so
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  they've set the torque up in order to give you a gearing feel, so that you can,
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  you know, rattle through the gears and have fun with it, and because it's an
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  electric car, uh, and it's a prototype, And because they have a sense of humor,
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  evidently, you can change the sound that you have in the car, so you can have a V8
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  roar if you want, but also you can have a jet engine sound from an F from an F
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  18, like from Maverick's movie, and then when you shift gear, you get a sonic boom
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  effect through the, through the, I mean, cool, you know, if you're going to do,
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  if you're going to be electric, do your own thing, like the GTR, you know, do
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  something different and do it your way.
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  So, Yeah.
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  Um, I, I tried to make it light and I do think the, the, the ability to be
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  an all rounder and there's like some kind of humor and, and, um, it's not
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  my thing, but it is seemingly going to form part of the culture of performance.
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  He beeps.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it's, it's, I think it's, it's not a sort of there from what I saw from
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  the spec sheet and I read the article and I've seen, looked at the car and stuff.
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  It's like 300 and something horsepower.
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  So not the usual electric.
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  Oh, we've given it 4 gazillion horsepower.
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  It's 300 and something.
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  So plenty, you know, but sort of reflective of where you, where
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  current hot hatchbacks are, the golf current golf, ours, three, dirty three
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  40, something like that, I think.
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  So in that sort of bracket, you know, um, so yeah, I mean, it's,
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  uh, it, it looked quite fun.
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  I was interested to see it properly.
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  It didn't really get a proper chance to have a look at it.
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  But um, no, it was cool.
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  Um, and it's it's good wood.
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  So the fact that you can go and look at the sort of The Elf Reno Formula
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  One cars, and there isn't just one, there's like three parked next to each
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  other and you can go and stand and take photos inside and look at the gear
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  shift and look at, you know, there's a little tag on the steering wheel that
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  says good battery in this one, okay, um, so these are being coddled in a way
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  that you would hope they would be, um, yeah, it's a cracking day, I recommend
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  it to everyone, it's different from the members meeting, I still prefer the
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  members meeting because I like to see it.
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  them out there racing.
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  But, you know, anyone who watched Jenson Button's four billion, you know, he
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  had the NASCAR that he took to Le Mans.
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  And, uh, I mean, if you haven't seen his rolling burnout that
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  takes about 10 minutes for him to get up level with the house.
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  It's virtually a burnout all the way from the start finish.
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  He's just rolling and there's just clouds and clouds of smoke.
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  Um, uh, you know, there, there's fun.
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  Had, um, Hyundai, uh, notably smashed one of their concept cars into the, into
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  the, into the hay bales wrecking it.
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  Um, someone smashed, uh, I think the wing off a, of the CLK gtr, one
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  that got dinked into the hay bales.
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  Someone lost the arse of it in the wet and smacked that.
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  There was a couple of other significant casualties in
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  terms of body damage as well.
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  Yeah, they do because I don't have much of a presence on Twitter, but I did see
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  a clip of film of somebody binning the, um, that the Leighton house, remember
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  the early Adrian Newey design marches that were March and then Leighton house.
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  And I guess I.
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  At the time, I didn't know who Leighton House were, but it was
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  basically some kind of house of cards, Japanese property company.
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  So they were super like, they were almost like rich energy, you know, that kind
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  of utter, you know, house of cards.
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  Now I'm not, I probably slandered Leighton House there, but I drill into
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  it that Leighton House were worth it.
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  Anyway, this was the car and on the approach to the
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  little, like, left righty bit.
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  Um, he lost the back and binned it into the, into the scenery.
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  I am Matthew Hopkins, Witchfinder.
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  So I spent some time in Connecticut, uh, and up and New York recently.
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  Um, I was there because, you know, there's a chance that we might move there.
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  Um, I had this Nissan Altima, um, you know, in the past they've had a CVT.
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  Um, I don't know if it had a CVT, but it was a lot better than
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  other ones I've, I've driven.
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  For uh, for what it's worth, it was really quite uh, inoffensive, you know,
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  nice, incredibly forgettable, but quite a nice piece of, of, of kit to use.
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  The most memorable thing is that big grill with the slitty eyes that everyone
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  seems to be doing now that implies that everybody's driving a Camaro or a hot rod
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  Audi, but actually you've just got like, you know, uh, Altima, but you know, I, I
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  got on all right with it, but uh, yeah, um, There's something about that part of
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  New England that brings out the rebel.
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  in me.
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  I just want to fight the system.
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  It's, it's, and it's summed up by a conversation I had with Ollie, which is
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  that there's all this, there's all these houses that are set in all this grassland,
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  you know, and then there's another one and another one, but they're all like enormous
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  houses, six bedroom, five bathrooms, nice design, you know, like, but that's that.
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  And they're all like a long way apart with these rowing.
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  So Ollie's like, well, look at all this grass.
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  Could I, yeah.
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  ride my dirt bike and I'm like, uh, maybe if it was ours and my
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  wife's like, no, you're not allowed.
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  So that's what it's summed up by, right?
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  It's summed up by the fact that there's all this, there's all this
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  grass, but it's not for riding on.
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  It's for looking at.
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  So I mean, I said to Dana, I said to Dana, it would be all right.
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  I'd be all right for like a month or so.
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  And then one day you would get a phone call and it would be the police and they
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  would say that there's been an accident.
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  That one of these houses that's 300 yards from the road has
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  my Mustang embedded in it.
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  And that turn, that isn't really a turn at 90 miles an hour, but 120 is a turn.
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  , you know, that's, that's how it would go.
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  I would, I would like, it would come out like that.
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  I would like, I, I, I'm like, I feel like I, yeah.
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  I, it's like, I, I dunno what to say.
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  You can see, I can't even find the words now to describe how, um.
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  Yeah, it's um, I love the fact that here in California you can
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  wear flip flops and a t shirt.
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  Um, I don't like the fact that you can't do that in other places.
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  It's, it almost begins and ends there.
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  But this, this stupid class p rattling wasn't really what I was,
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  uh, was, was getting at with this.
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  I was thinking that pulled over at the side of the road in a
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  particularly picturesque spot thinking it's so beautiful.
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  And, you know, I know like the weather in the winter's terrible,
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  but you know, like, you know, but I just can't do this like sheer like.
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  What Dana calls stick up the of uh of of the whole of of New England
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  and then I'm looking in the rear view and there's an Aston Martin V8
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  Vantage coming on this country road.
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  No other cars have passed me.
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  It's a twenty five mile an hour limit.
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  It's and dummy if it's not an E plate.
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  Here we are in New England but this car is just wearing an English number
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  plate and he comes on by and it is a proper like last of the line.
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  The eight vantage on a E registration British play, um, didn't catch the So when
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  he goes on by, I just, I just follow it and over the plate at the back, it's got
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  a Connecticut number plate and I wouldn't say that he was, you know, driving the
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  car like it was on a racetrack, but I had to work the Altima fairly hard
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  to keep up this in a 25 mile an hour.
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  Speed limit.
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  And then he just pulled off out of the little like estate park
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  onto like a main parkway and went off and, and did his business.
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  And I was like, you know what?
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  Maybe there is some room for it.
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  But that was a super cool car in a kind of cool context and it's, mm.
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  Um, did I, did you look at the link to that cheap MG ev?
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  No.
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  Um, it's a cheap.
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  Mgv that's like a normal sized car.
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  Um, as part of our like milestones in the evolution of the EV, this
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  seemed like a significant development.
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  This feels like this is like something which is not a million
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  miles away from the Ami in price.
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  But as functional as now, I do want to say with all of these cheap EVs and
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  with old EVs, the residuals on them are terrible because the batteries lose
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  performance so much and so quickly.
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  So I do feel like in six or seven years, there's going to be a ton
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  of electric cars, which look fine.
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  But uh, worthless and need to be broken up because of the batteries that feel
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  so grotesquely wasteful, but you know, it's just our consumer society, isn't it?
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  Yeah, it's uh, it's uh, I can't pretend it looks good.
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  I see.
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  Now that I'm looking at the picture of it, I have seen one on the road, I think.
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  I mean, I don't particularly like it, but yeah, it's I mean,
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  whatever, but that's not the point.
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  I think I just think that this.
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  I, I, I mean, uh, I'm not saying I don't care what you think I'm saying that
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  I, I, I, I do, um, but I'm just making the point that I feel like this is the,
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  this is an important milestone that, you know, towards cheap, affordable.
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  electric cars.
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  So, uh, both of us watched Le Mans this year.
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  I know it was ages ago, but we, it takes me ages to percolate these topics through.
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  Don't, you know, I won't be judged for being slow and disorganized.
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  That's who I am.
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  Um, Le Mans, the TV experience, your thoughts.
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  I'll throw a few out there.
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  I feel like it's pretty enjoyable.
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  I feel like you can access the race in, in a really interesting way that you couldn't
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  do, you know, when I was going to Le Mans 20 years ago, you had to like, go there
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  and deal with that like, intense carnival, gearhead, Mad Max kind of atmosphere.
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  You don't have to, you don't have to deal with that.
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  Um, if you know, I just subscribed to Eurosport for the month and
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  then, you know, there you go.
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  It's, uh, it's all there.
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  I like the fact that I mean, I listened to a bit of F1 the other day and
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  I don't want to ever go at anyone, especially somebody who can't catch up,
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  but Martin Brundle is Martin Brundle.
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  I've got no problem with Martin Brundle.
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  David Croft just winds me the up.
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  Like he won't shut up.
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  Now, I know to be fair to him and to defend him because
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  he can't defend himself.
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  He is paid to talk about the race, but um, and even though
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  the cars don't sound that great.
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  Murray was saying, surely this new bloke is trying to like be what Murray was.
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  Yeah, but I think they could all take a lesson from James Hunt who don't,
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  didn't say all that much but had more, was more interesting when he did have
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  something to say and shut up and let the, especially when he's on board, let me hear
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  the car, you know, let me hear the car and let me like pay attention to that.
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  There's, there's a quote, there's a, um, a clip I was watching a while back of.
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  Uh, one of them, I think it's Anthony Davidson, when they're chatting in the
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  group stuff in a qualifying session or a Friday session kind of thing at
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  Spa, and he was all, well, let's listen to them go, go, go through a rouge.
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  It gets about half a second into it and Crofty just talks over the whole thing.
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  Um, I, like, it, it's, uh, I, I, I, I just, hmm, I don't know.
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  It's not even as if he was saying anything particularly valid, but then
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  again, I'm, I'm sort of maligning a guy for something I don't watch very
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  religiously, so it's probably not fair.
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  Uh, I've got to say, I, I, uh, I must have watched about five minutes of
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  Formula One in the last five years.
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  And I watched the beginning of the British Grand Prix and I watched Verstappen turn
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  in on Hamilton at 160 miles an hour and watched him bin off into the scenery
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  and then listen to them talk about whether or not that was Hamilton's fault.
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  The, the, the level of, I mean, what, the biggest thing that turns me off
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  about the sport is the level of, like, I just, I just can't get past that.
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  So, so that means that, and I know that sort of Verstappen is what Senna
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  was for my generation, but I'm the old guard now, and I can't respect the guy.
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  I won't watch the sport because of him.
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  I have less of an issue with him.
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  I find him grumpy and a bit brusque, but then that's his right.
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  Um, what I find irritating is the whole butthurt, thou shalt
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  not criticize us of Red Bull.
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  Um, I mean, that can just profoundly fuck off.
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  Um, their whole attitude was encapsulated for me by Ted Kravitz,
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  Ted Kravitz saying one in one of his sort of post rap wrap up sort of.
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  When he wanders around, I think it was this, I might be misquoting the guy,
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  but it was something along the lines of he was wandering around, he said like,
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  you know, he referred to the incident at the end of the previous season or
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  the season before last, whatever it was.
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  And when, uh, and he said rather blithely when Lewis was robbed, um,
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  which difficult to argue if you sit down and impassioned dispassionate about
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  the facts, you know, the guy got fired for making the decision he made, um,
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  altered the rules of the race in order to make it more exciting for the fans.
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  Okay, I can see why you want to do that.
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  It's a commercial sport, but that's not what the rules said.
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  And therefore, it enabled Max Verstappen to win the race when perhaps
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  he wouldn't have, almost certainly he wouldn't have done otherwise.
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  And Red Bull then refused to speak to Ted Kravitz, wouldn't,
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  and wouldn't give interviews to Sky for the following week or so.
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  And we're like, it's, you know, we won't have that, no criticism, and it's
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  like, we have to live in this mystical world where that didn't happen, and,
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  you know, there's no, you can't malign that, and they were the same, if I
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  recollect, when I was watching it more, when Vettel was their man, and there
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  was no, there was no criticizing Vettel, there was no favoritism in the team,
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  that you weren't allowed to call Weber the, you know, the number two driver,
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  and it's like, well, look, You are the one that behaves like he's a number
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  two driver and gives him second shrift.
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  And when there's an incident between the two of them and it's clearly vet's
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  fault, you don't defend Weber, you defend ve it's like, you know, it's
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  the German guy with in that team.
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  Okay, I understand why it's that way, but I, I refuse to play
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  in this charade around that.
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  We're not allowed to call that out.
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  So, I mean, and look Mike, I was perfectly happy when Michael was
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  winning all the timers Ferrari and now vet's winning all the timers Red Bull.
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  And it's boring.
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  And it was boring for Ferrari as well, so.
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  Yeah, the sport in recent years has been, it feels like the era, it feels
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  like the domination is more complete and lasts for longer in this century
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  than it did in the last century.
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  In the last century, the last 20 years of the last century, there was, you know,
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  you didn't really know what was going to happen at the beginning of every season.
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  Whereas now, you know, we're in like the Verstappen era, and he will set all these
• 21:46
  records, and then when his motivation, or Horner's motivation falters, then somebody
• 21:53
  else will get a look in kind of thing.
• 21:56
  Um, I think at some point, Ray Duane Neary retires, um, and that will
• 22:01
  balance things up again, probably.
• 22:05
  Yeah, I, I know too little about, um, about modern Formula 1, 2, 1.
• 22:10
  I mean, it's difficult to argue he's the most successful F1 designer of all time.
• 22:14
  It's just sort of almost impossible to argue anyone else.
• 22:17
  Um, if you look at his sort of career of success.
• 22:22
  Um, So on the subject of, uh, of things motorsport, Um, these, uh, these folk
• 22:29
  getting killed at, at Spa, Um, Youngins.
• 22:35
  Where you know, my understanding is it's it's you get it wrong already
• 22:40
  on the problem is that you bounce back onto the track and then then
• 22:45
  a hit by by by oncoming cars.
• 22:49
  Um, I want to say it's a naughty problem and I'm glad I'm not a
• 22:54
  steward of the circuit because, um.
• 22:58
  Obviously to do anything, you know, to be, to, to listen to these young
• 23:03
  pups, be like, change your circuit.
• 23:07
  This seems not remotely a good path of action.
• 23:13
  Um, you know, we can turn any sport into till Tilly wings if we want to,
• 23:18
  or we really gonna emasculate one of the only bits of, you know, epic bits
• 23:22
  of motor sport left kind of thing.
• 23:25
  Um, you know, obviously some people would advocate that we should do that.
• 23:29
  At the same time, um, you do feel like, you know, were I the stewards, I would not
• 23:39
  want people out on track in, in the wet because literally you're just waiting for.
• 23:49
  For something like that to happen.
• 23:50
  It's, it's clear that the cars are in a place now where they're going,
• 23:55
  uh, speed where, you know, the same accident has happened twice, right?
• 24:00
  That's I think what people are upset about quite rightly.
• 24:04
  Um, I don't know if you can do something about the runoff.
• 24:09
  I mean, that's the obvious thing when you visit Tamburello now.
• 24:13
  You look and you say, well, you could have done something about the runoff.
• 24:16
  You could have, could you not have thought about runoff?
• 24:19
  And it would have been difficult because of the river, but you
• 24:22
  could have, you know, there was at least a thought in that direction.
• 24:26
  With Radion, you feel like if we purists are so keen on preserving it,
• 24:31
  can't we do something about runoff?
• 24:33
  that means that you don't bounce back off?
• 24:36
  I mean, they have done.
• 24:37
  It is wider on the outside of Orouz, and on the left hand side of the hill
• 24:41
  there, there's a whole load of tarmac out there that there didn't used to be.
• 24:44
  Um, so there's more space.
• 24:48
  Um, but I mean, you know, the speeds there are so high.
• 24:54
  I mean, that, that, that's, that's the issue.
• 24:56
  Um, those little single seater cars don't have a lot of side protection, you know,
• 25:01
  if, if you get t boned, it's gonna, I mean, that said, I mean, if you look at
• 25:06
  the 24 hours of spa, GT, I mean, let me, um, give, uh, the boss the car keys here.
• 25:13
  Oh, they're right here.
• 25:13
  Yeah.
• 25:13
  Yeah.
• 25:15
  Sorry.
• 25:16
  No, that's no problem.
• 25:17
  Oh, where are you going?
• 25:18
  Sorry.
• 25:18
  I, I have an appointment.
• 25:19
  Oh, all right.
• 25:20
  Is the boy going with you?
• 25:22
  Yeah.
• 25:25
  Okay.
• 25:26
  Bring it on.
• 25:26
  What time are we going to the party?
• 25:28
  Or what?
• 25:28
  I have to double check.
• 25:30
  I think it starts, I think you have to leave it at like 11.
• 25:33
  15 or 11.
• 25:34
  30.
• 25:34
  Alright, 11.
• 25:35
  15 or 11.
• 25:35
  30, great.
• 25:40
  Um, you had had a thought which was completed there, so Oh, yeah, well the
• 25:47
  only other thing I was going to say was the um, that if you watch the, I watched
• 25:50
  the 24 Hours of GT racing there, um, you know, the 911s and all that sort of
• 25:58
  stuff, the stuff that, you know, the, the, the GTE stuff from, um, Le Mans series.
• 26:04
  Um, and this regularly accidents, you know, it's 24 hours.
• 26:07
  There's regularly accidents that have yellow flags here and there,
• 26:11
  you know, full course yellows and stuff, but I don't remember anyone
• 26:14
  actually getting really hurt, but then they're more substantial cars.
• 26:18
  Um, and I'm not suggesting that they didn't.
• 26:22
  I'm just saying I didn't see here any, but I mean, so, you know, there are,
• 26:24
  it's, but, you know, it's dangerous.
• 26:26
  The, the door here is always Jesus.
• 26:29
  That's bad.
• 26:31
  Um I I was thinking about this before I came in before we came into the call here
• 26:36
  and I realized that um do you remember that touring car driver Keith Odor um
• 26:43
  was was killed in a in a door hit and that's with a modern roll cage and a
• 26:47
  modern car that was that was in the 90s.
• 26:50
  Um if you think of it even there's a good chance Mike Hawthorne by a
• 27:04
  behind the front wheel at the bottom of the A pillar, right?
• 27:08
  You know, so that's, that's two completely different accidents,
• 27:12
  completely different time periods, but it, I, the door hits bad!
• 27:19
  The door hits bad!
• 27:20
  It always, it always will be, yeah, yeah, there's no, um, yeah, they, they,
• 27:26
  and they do their best, I mean, I know they do, to make these things as safe as
• 27:29
  they can, but, um, it's um, You know, I applaud them, you know, the, do I like
• 27:36
  the aesthetics of the hoop in Formula One?
• 27:38
  No.
• 27:39
  Is it a good idea?
• 27:40
  Yeah.
• 27:40
  I mean, I, the following season after they were introduced, a car went
• 27:44
  over the top of Alonso's bonnet.
• 27:46
  Um, and if it had been six inches further back, the tyre
• 27:49
  would have taken his head off.
• 27:51
  Um, and the, the barrier thing pushed the car up over the top,
• 27:54
  whether or not it saved his life.
• 27:55
  It has, I've seen other accidents reported where they were like.
• 27:59
  That driver would be dead if it wasn't for it.
• 28:01
  So I'd definitely want one if Roja was in the, in the race . If Roja was in the
• 28:06
  race, I would definitely want that thing.
• 28:09
  Yeah.
• 28:10
  Yeah.
• 28:11
  , yeah, that would probably be wise.
• 28:13
  Um, uh, the, uh, the NASCAR race in Chicago, it rained.
• 28:23
  Mm.
• 28:23
  Are you aware of what happened?
• 28:25
  Yeah, I watched the, I watched the highlights of it.
• 28:29
  Um.
• 28:31
  Did you know Shane Van Ginsburg before I'd heard the name?
• 28:35
  Yeah.
• 28:36
  Yeah.
• 28:36
  Cause I, I remembered him from VA supercars when I used to watch
• 28:41
  that years, years ago, and I've not watched that for a long time.
• 28:44
  So I, I, my first thought when he won was, oh, I bet it was a mixed up race because
• 28:52
  the, my, my thoughts about it was that if you're used to racing on ovals where it
• 28:59
  doesn't rain, Racing on a street circuit.
• 29:03
  You just you're completely out.
• 29:05
  So it's a NASCAR guys, both in the pits and out of it just would not have had the
• 29:12
  experience to cope with the situation, whereas you have a supercar guy who
• 29:19
  is used to acting, you know, it was.
• 29:23
  Yeah, it seemed it seemed less as if.
• 29:27
  It seemed like, although it was a NASCAR race, it suited the skills
• 29:31
  of the seasoned V8 supercar guy far more than the skills of a chaser.
• 29:36
  It was his debut race though, wasn't it?
• 29:39
  I, I don't know whether it was his debut.
• 29:41
  I think it was his first NASCAR race, to be fair to him.
• 29:44
  I mean, uh, well, uh, absolutely right.
• 29:47
  And you don't luck into that, do you?
• 29:49
  I've just, I've just, you know, the, the table was tipped in his favor,
• 29:53
  but, but he For sure, yeah, yeah.
• 29:54
  He took that race by the scruff of the neck and won it.
• 29:57
  And I know that without having watched it.
• 29:59
  I just know he must have done because Oh, he did.
• 30:02
  Yeah, I watched, I watched the sort of, I think Mark sent out the
• 30:04
  thing and I looked at it because I subscribed to NASCAR because like two
• 30:07
  days later there was the whole thing.
• 30:09
  You could just watch the whole race on YouTube.
• 30:11
  So I was like, Oh, well, therefore, if I want to watch NASCAR, have I just, I'm
• 30:15
  not bothered about watching it live and I'm happy to watch it a few days later.
• 30:18
  Then I can watch it on YouTube.
• 30:20
  So I watched the 15 minute highlights package of it.
• 30:22
  And it was a lot going on.
• 30:24
  Um, there was a lot of people locking up on the inside, smashing into the
• 30:28
  tire barriers and quite, and to be fair to them, quite a lot of people
• 30:31
  reversing back out of the tire barriers and carrying on about their day.
• 30:36
  So, you know, the tire barriers did a pretty good job, but yeah.
• 30:39
  Yeah, no, if you can like, if you can have a mistake and keep going,
• 30:43
  I think that adds to the drama of the sport, you know, everyone
• 30:47
  loves a comeback story, don't they?
• 30:50
  Mm.
• 30:51
  But no, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was good fun and a fair play to him.
• 30:54
  I mean, it's a, they were talking about him as a sort of tarmac specialist
• 30:58
  or a street circuit specialist and stuff, but, uh, run one, won one.
• 31:04
  I mean, it's pretty good, isn't it?
• 31:06
  That's, as records go, it's tough to touch.
• 31:43
  My next little section here is storytelling.
• 31:46
  I've called it loosely and it's, it's three or four different, um, you know,
• 31:52
  storytelling organs if if you like.
• 31:55
  Um, so I'm going to begin with, uh, as you know, I never watch movies.
• 32:01
  So, as ever, we're going to talk about things that we're not experts
• 32:04
  in, which is what we do all time.
• 32:07
  Um, I watched Fast Five, Fast and the Furious number five on a plane recently.
• 32:14
  I watched it with the sound down, listening to EDM.
• 32:17
  It was there.
• 32:18
  There were cars.
• 32:20
  I mean, I mean, wow.
• 32:25
  I mean, jumping Panteras off train, driving them.
• 32:30
  I've seen any of them.
• 32:31
  I've seen bits of them, if you like, but I've never sat and watched any of them.
• 32:35
  They must be coming to the mother if you don't get the Fast and Furious
• 32:39
  10 or whatever it is, so, you know.
• 32:41
  I, there's, I mean, the eye, the visuals of it is, uh, are, it's just awesome.
• 32:51
  It, it's, you know, Paul Walker and, uh, and driving through the streets of Rio.
• 32:57
  In this Harkoska skyline and you're like, not real, but somehow, but, but, you know,
• 33:04
  real in a light in a Dean's more gripe role play kind of, you know, in a, in a
• 33:12
  like ridiculous overstated role play kind of, uh, kind of kind of way, um, the,
• 33:23
  the whole, um, here's why I thought it was interesting.
• 33:29
  It's, it's a combination of like the most beautiful women.
• 33:34
  And the most amazing car shot in the most awesome way.
• 33:39
  Linked together in this very complicated, Utterly implausible
• 33:45
  comic book kind of, of, of storyline.
• 33:49
  Um, two Dodge Chargers dragging a giant safe through the streets of a city.
• 34:00
  And now a touch of beauty is added to our program.
• 34:03
  Hello boy.
• 34:24
  Is Mission Impossible out where you are?
• 34:27
  I've seen it.
• 34:29
  Dude, the bike stunt.
• 34:33
  I liked it because it wasn't complicated.
• 34:39
  It was just jaw dropping because you know he really did it.
• 34:45
  About five times.
• 34:47
  They didn't, they didn't gussy it up.
• 34:50
  He just rode the motorcycle off the cliff and did it.
• 34:54
  That was really a moment in cinema for me.
• 34:59
  The only problem I have with it is they overused it.
• 35:02
  Not in the film, But in all of the shit beforehand.
• 35:06
  So even the bit before the film, after they say the guy comes over the studio
• 35:11
  mic in the, uh, in the darkness to go, Hey, guys, like, hey, surprised you.
• 35:15
  Like everyone turned the phones off, you know, like little sort of make it
• 35:18
  a jokey matey thing so that you might actually fucking turn your phone off
• 35:21
  and not be a bad end and eat like crisps, like with your mouth open and
• 35:25
  stuff, all the stuff that people do.
• 35:27
  It's like, you know, can you keep it quiet?
• 35:28
  No one wants to hear you talking to your buddy.
• 35:30
  Um.
• 35:31
  All of that stuff.
• 35:31
  After that, there was another bit where they showed Tom Cruise doing
• 35:36
  that stunt before they started the movie in the final trailer for the
• 35:39
  movie I'm sitting down to watch.
• 35:42
  So it, I mean, it's difficult for it to lose impact given
• 35:46
  what an amazing thing it is.
• 35:47
  And the fact that as you say, he did do it and he had to do it four or five
• 35:50
  or six times or something ridiculous.
• 35:52
  Um, And, you know, I like the way that they did it, and then they
• 35:57
  just don't bother to show any of the bit where he gets on the train.
• 36:00
  They just have him swinging through the window.
• 36:02
  Um, at a fortunate time, um, and then some comedy timing elsewhere afterwards.
• 36:08
  So, um, yeah.
• 36:10
  I mean, it's, yeah, it's a stunning piece of work.
• 36:13
  Um, I, the movie itself, meh, it was okay.
• 36:16
  I quite enjoyed it.
• 36:18
  I thought he had too much paladin in him, for the roleplayers out there,
• 36:22
  for a chick he barely met, and who continuously tried to fuck him over.
• 36:26
  Like, I don't understand why he didn't just bond her a
• 36:29
  bit, if you know what I mean.
• 36:31
  I, I actually liked her as a character.
• 36:33
  I felt she was actually, had more character than anybody else in the movie.
• 36:38
  Agreed, yeah, yeah.
• 36:40
  But I lost patience when, upon leaving the police station, she
• 36:46
  got in a police car and drove away.
• 36:49
  Stole a police car right from in front of a police station when she
• 36:52
  could have just walked into the streets of Rome and disappeared.
• 36:57
  She makes some dumb decisions, yeah, and I mean, and his patience
• 37:00
  with her when he had no reason to feel beholden to her at all.
• 37:05
  It's like, you know, I'm beholden to you because you're hot, was the plot.
• 37:10
  Yeah.
• 37:10
  If she was a minger, no way.
• 37:12
  No one's buying that.
• 37:13
  So I'm beholden to you because you're hot and because I need you for the
• 37:17
  rest of the plot because another one of my old exes is going to snuff
• 37:21
  it in a way that is totally right.
• 37:23
  Yeah.
• 37:24
  You could, you could, you could, you could see it from the car park, how far
• 37:27
  away you could tell she was going to die.
• 37:29
  I mean, it was obvious, I mean, Jesus.
• 37:32
  So yeah, we need another chick cause I'm going to burn the last one.
• 37:36
  Obviously.
• 37:37
  So, you know, and you know, as well as I do, this is a two part movie.
• 37:40
  She's gonna be in exactly the same position with exactly the same guy,
• 37:44
  and this time he's gonna save her in the second part of the film.
• 37:48
  I mean, I might be wrong, but I don't think I am.
• 37:50
  I suspect that's how it's gonna go down.
• 37:53
  Now, you know, did I still enjoy it?
• 37:55
  Was I annoyed that I'd spent my money?
• 37:56
  No.
• 37:56
  I had a great time.
• 37:58
  It was an entertaining evening watching a big budget cheddar fest.
• 38:02
  Uh, and it's an interesting decision to make it a five and a half hour movie
• 38:07
  and split it across two films, rather than, you know, do what Hollywood
• 38:11
  usually would do, which is edit it down.
• 38:13
  What I'm interested to see is whether or not I think it was worth it, if you know
• 38:16
  what I mean, to have that much plot in.
• 38:18
  So far, I'm not convinced, um, but we'll see, you know.
• 38:25
  Yeah, I mean, I, the plot of modern movies is just so like, Pachow, pachow, pachow!
• 38:31
  I just, you know, it's, I, I, I just try and grasp on to the front end.
• 38:36
  Dude, you wanna watch John Wick 4, yeah?
• 38:38
  And if you haven't seen John Wick 1, like, don't worry.
• 38:41
  Um, but, if you've seen one of them, it would help.
• 38:44
  Yeah, the first one, or the second one.
• 38:47
  I thought three was a bit shit, to be honest.
• 38:48
  I thought they overdid it.
• 38:49
  But what they've really done with four is just ignore all of that
• 38:52
  and recognize that what they're doing is live actioning a comic.
• 38:57
  That's what they're doing.
• 38:58
  So therefore it's Every shot is like a graphic novel.
• 39:03
  Every shot could be, if you think about it, every shot could be the
• 39:05
  album cover or could be the shot on the front of the graphic novel, though.
• 39:08
  You were like, oh, doesn't that look amazing?
• 39:10
  You know, you know, there's like, there's a dawn scene on Sac Kerr,
• 39:14
  but there's no one else sight.
• 39:16
  They're standing there at dawn as the, and they have like a dual on, on, on.
• 39:22
  I mean, it's like, you what?
• 39:24
  So, um, they, he gets thrown down the steps and he's climbing up the steps.
• 39:28
  It's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon almost.
• 39:30
  He gets thrown down these steps so many times and fights his way back
• 39:33
  up the steps, but like, god damn.
• 39:35
  Um, some of the set pieces are fabulous and it's beautifully
• 39:40
  lit and beautifully shot.
• 39:41
  Um, and when you remember, it's not a film, it's a, it's
• 39:44
  a graphic novel essentially.
• 39:45
  It's, it's awesome.
• 39:47
  Um, but again, three hours, 15, like, you know, my, uh, I actually didn't feel
• 39:54
  like Mission Impossible drag too much.
• 39:57
  Usually with three hour films, I feel like they drag like mission.
• 40:01
  Maybe that's because I just went and took a leak rather than
• 40:04
  waiting for the movie to end.
• 40:06
  I was like, I think I'll be able to pick up what's happening here.
• 40:09
  So I went and took a leak.
• 40:10
  Um, uh, Moving to another kind of storytelling.
• 40:16
  Have you been watching the new 3D Bot Maker?
• 40:20
  I've seen the King of the Mountain one.
• 40:24
  Yeah, what do you make of the new track?
• 40:27
  Um, it's alright.
• 40:30
  It's growing on me.
• 40:31
  I mean, the number of fatalities seems to have gone up.
• 40:34
  Oli thinks it should be longer.
• 40:37
  But they're all that, the last one wasn't that long either.
• 40:40
  It was, they're all about that sort of 13 to 17 seconds kind of, um.
• 40:46
  I suspect it's more difficult to set up camera, and you would have
• 40:49
  thought they could maybe do it.
• 40:50
  Maybe they've only got big enough space to set up a certain amount of track,
• 40:53
  and you've got to set up a lot of GoPros and all that sort of stuff, haven't you?
• 40:56
  So, um, and, I mean, clearly they run the races and then plan their
• 41:03
  commentary and do their commentary after the races and stuff, as you would.
• 41:07
  Um, and that makes it pretty good, and I've thoroughly enjoyed it.
• 41:12
  Um, yeah, I mean, I don't think the track's the greatest thing.
• 41:17
  Um, but it is still interesting to see, you know, which cars random their
• 41:21
  way in from the back, um, and are able to sort of make points on the rounds
• 41:26
  where they're on the second row.
• 41:29
  That is what you're looking for is, is if they can make points on, on the,
• 41:34
  the, the, the other thing I, the thing that I find quite frustrating is if
• 41:39
  there's a car that's noticeably faster than the others, and he can't like that
• 41:43
  car can't like exert his advantage.
• 41:46
  Um, I always feel, uh, uh, frustrated by that.
• 41:49
  I was going to say, I also feel on this particular course, you talk about
• 41:52
  the number of fatalities being high.
• 41:54
  I, I agree with you.
• 41:56
  It's not least because the crowd are allowed to stand too close at
• 41:59
  the finish line, um, which may have been a deliberate design feature.
• 42:04
  Um, but the, the other thing that I think is interesting is the bridge and the
• 42:09
  way that a number of cars coming out of that bridge do what I call like the 18.
• 42:16
  Do you remember in the 18 cars would always crash the same way in that one
• 42:20
  side of the car would drive up like a park car or a ramp or a bush that concealed
• 42:26
  a ramp and and and then so rather than and that would induce because one of
• 42:31
  the side of the car went up and the other side didn't and the front lifted
• 42:36
  up that would be enough to heave it up to fall spectacularly onto its roof.
• 42:42
  Um, yeah, yeah, no, it's, um.
• 42:47
  Yeah, the one that went into the drink in the semi finals that went, just
• 42:50
  disappeared off the edge into the water.
• 42:52
  That was quite an impressive crash.
• 42:54
  Um, there seems to be quite a lot of people doing the, uh, uh, crazy Jimmy
• 42:59
  finish the race in reverse, um, as well.
• 43:03
  There seems to be a number of people, uh, managing that particular maneuver.
• 43:06
  Um, but yeah, again, the fastest bloke, uh, I think it was a chap, um,
• 43:11
  nominally a chap in the, in the, uh, Uh, car made it through his is going to
• 43:16
  feature in the um, the end of season, whatever the best of the best champions
• 43:22
  thing is based upon his time alone.
• 43:24
  So they have kept whoever it was, Scotty or whoever it was that had
• 43:28
  the fastest track time so far.
• 43:29
  It's that gold DeLorean, that DeLorean, that DeLorean
• 43:35
  casting seems extremely fast.
• 43:38
  A lot of people have been using the Sierra Cosworth casting, um,
• 43:43
  which obviously I absolutely love.
• 43:45
  It's like watching 80s motorsport with the number of Sierra
• 43:48
  Cosworths there, um, in it.
• 43:51
  Not a big fan of the Nissan Maxima wagon.
• 43:53
  There were three in the final, so it was a bit, uh Yeah, well, I think
• 43:57
  they're good because they're low and you can put a lot of weight in them.
• 44:02
  Yeah, potentially.
• 44:04
  I don't know why the Sierra's good.
• 44:08
  Um, so, uh, I was taking this magazine Practical sports bikes.
• 44:16
  Basically, it was for the kind of 90s, hippie kind of bikes that I love and ride.
• 44:22
  And it was right up my alley.
• 44:25
  Like every time they did like a comparison feature, I'd have one of the bikes that
• 44:29
  they were like doing the comparison between it really was, uh, their
• 44:33
  defunct is the end of, um, practical sports bikes, whilst performance bikes
• 44:39
  back in the day, there was like a gap.
• 44:41
  It was the same.
• 44:43
  Contributors, but just like years later talking about the same bikes, but years
• 44:47
  later, but that magazine is is now defunct and and that's sad and it brings me on
• 44:54
  to, um, the demise of print media in the automotive space and how I think we're
• 45:02
  sort of losing something because I.
• 45:07
  consume print media in a different way from the way that I consume,
• 45:11
  you know, I, when I'm reading a magazine, I'm not looking at my
• 45:14
  phone when I'm looking at my phone, I tend not to read automotive content.
• 45:18
  They're like big articles.
• 45:20
  When I open a magazine, I'm ready to read a, a long article.
• 45:25
  So I'm saying that I'm missing the magazine because
• 45:28
  of the form that it takes.
• 45:29
  I'm not saying I'm going to struggle.
• 45:31
  For content or need to subscribe to another magazine or anything.
• 45:34
  I'm surrounded by reading material.
• 45:36
  I'm still looking at my phone and screens all the time.
• 45:38
  Anyway, um, so I, I'm fine with the narrowing almost, but I'm
• 45:45
  sad that this particular medium is not able to be sustainable.
• 45:53
  Yeah, I know.
• 45:53
  It's a shame.
• 45:54
  Um, but, um, I think it's a way, the other thing you can do to sort of ape it
• 45:58
  a little bit is get yourself a tablet.
• 46:00
  Because it does feel a little bit more like you've got a sort of
• 46:02
  larger page, more sort of format, if you know what I mean, and you
• 46:05
  could hold it in the same way.
• 46:07
  And although it's not page turning, it does feel a little bit more,
• 46:10
  phones, uh, long articles on the phone, you know, you're constantly
• 46:14
  scrolling, even if you have the font pretty small, you're constantly
• 46:16
  scrolling, whereas on a tablet it does feel more like, you know, um, yeah.
• 46:23
  We bought a Samsung tablet years ago, and one of the things I would say
• 46:26
  about the Samsung tablets is don't, Be cheap by the expensive one because
• 46:30
  the screens are like, wow, cool.
• 46:33
  And then you're like, it never sort of feels crap.
• 46:34
  It always feels like, oh, it's premium every time you're
• 46:36
  on it and it feels slick.
• 46:38
  Um, and that it has a sort of pass aroundness that a magazine also has
• 46:43
  in the same way in a way that your phone quite doesn't because it's your
• 46:45
  phone, you know, you can pass it to it.
• 46:47
  Whereas you can pass that around.
• 46:48
  It's a shared way of, oh, quick, have a look at this kind of thing.
• 46:51
  So it does have a sort of value add.
• 46:54
  Um, but no, I agree with you the, um, you know, I've got apart from like
• 46:59
  about seven or eight I think I've got a complete run of evos in the other room.
• 47:04
  Um gathering dust mainly Um, I like the fact that i've got them Um, and at some
• 47:10
  point I would be very surprised if they don't go digital only in the same way.
• 47:13
  So Um quick fire us road trip money no object What do you drive?
• 47:31
  Well, I would probably end up on that road in Idaho that I love that goes
• 47:34
  out up towards Is it Idaho City up into the mountains like god damn?
• 47:38
  What a road It's about the 40 miles of like beautiful left right left right sort
• 47:43
  of up and down wrapped round mountains through the trees I'm a I meant what car?
• 47:52
  Yeah, yeah, no, I know.
• 47:53
  I was just thinking what would I drive on that road.
• 47:55
  Well, given it's super smooth, um, I don't know.
• 47:59
  I was watching a guy in a Lola T70 go around Spa on board today.
• 48:04
  And you can buy that broadly, T70, it's like road legal.
• 48:08
  Um, I quite like one of those at the moment.
• 48:13
  Um, not much fun as a long road trip vehicle, I suspect.
• 48:18
  Uh, but fun, I mean, in other ways.
• 48:22
  This F 250.
• 48:23
  I have for the road trip.
• 48:25
  I can't believe I've not talked about it before.
• 48:27
  It was awesome.
• 48:30
  Um, you know, strong up to more than three way speeds.
• 48:37
  If you stomp the gas enough, it was a VA petrol, not, not a diesel.
• 48:43
  Um, we, uh, there was, uh, there's some roads in, in Nevada that,
• 48:50
  um, They're gravel, they're, they're, they're marked roads, but
• 48:56
  they're gravel, they're not paved.
• 48:58
  So on those roads, you could have it in high four at like 70 miles an hour
• 49:04
  across this, this gravel, which I, I've got to say, I'm not a four wheel
• 49:09
  drive person, but high four is the most awesome, one of the most awesome
• 49:17
  things in motoring, I love high four.
• 49:20
  So Ollie was like, what's the difference in your high four,
• 49:22
  like do it in two wheel drive?
• 49:24
  Um, So I've, I'm at the side of the road and I've had it in high four, like off the
• 49:29
  side of the road on the gravel bit of the side of the road, this is like middle of
• 49:32
  nowhere in Nevada, um, and then, uh, uh, I put it in two wheel drive, stop, put it in
• 49:41
  two wheel drive, I wasn't messing around trying to change it when I was driving
• 49:43
  along, not sure if I could, but I wasn't doing that, then I stopped, put it back
• 49:48
  in two wheel drive, turned the traction control off and, and launched it, right?
• 49:53
  And I kid you not, it, I pushed the tail out and the nose up onto the road
• 49:59
  and then there was probably a 20 second period where I had the nose of the
• 50:05
  pickup truck on the road and the back of it on this gravel slope off the side
• 50:12
  of the road and we were looking out of the side window and it was sliding in
• 50:18
  this, it was without question one of the most beautiful slides I've ever done.
• 50:25
  And I will forever love that F 250 pickup, and I now feel like I might
• 50:30
  need a four wheel drive pickup truck, not a two wheel drive one, just because
• 50:35
  I love the high four, like, waaaaaah!
• 50:38
  I think if you can have a pickup, it makes sense to have a four wheel drive
• 50:40
  one, because it gives you the off roadness that that image promises you.
• 50:48
  Um, what's the best music to drive to?
• 50:55
  I mean, it depends.
• 50:57
  What sort of driving are you trying to accomplish?
• 50:59
  If you're going through the night on caffeine and holy gasoline,
• 51:03
  then Boston trance music, um, you will inevitably end up speeding.
• 51:11
  Um, if you want to just chill through Western America, like whatever the
• 51:16
  country music play station is playing, um, If you're rolling through Europe, I
• 51:22
  don't mind doing Europop, or otherwise I'll play whatever's on my iPod, um, or
• 51:27
  whatever, uh, YouTube music or whatever.
• 51:29
  Um, it sort of depends, I'll try and do like, if I'm road tripping, I'll try and
• 51:32
  do a bit of local flavor, just to make sure that you, in the same way as, you
• 51:37
  know, it's nice to have the windows down, it's nice to smell the countryside as
• 51:39
  you're passing through, part of the value of doing the road trip is seeing all the
• 51:42
  shit in between that you just fly over.
• 51:45
  Um, so in the same way as like stopping at a diner to have some
• 51:48
  food, not going in the McDonald's.
• 51:50
  Cause the McDonald's are saying shit everywhere, fuck that.
• 51:52
  Um, you know, it's nice to get a bit of local patina on you as well, you know?
• 51:57
  So eat at the place where Angie's like, Do we have to I feel a bit
• 52:00
  uncomfortable eating here in Montana.
• 52:03
  Cause like, most of the stuff on the wall has got eyes and
• 52:05
  horns and is looking at me.
• 52:07
  Um, you know, ? Yeah.
• 52:09
  Yeah.
• 52:09
  I ate one of those places in Fontana as well.
• 52:12
  Yeah.
• 52:12
  I mean, and look, you know, you just gotta roll with the punches.
• 52:15
  On the other end, the pork steak that she had roll was like the big, the
• 52:20
  size of the plate, and it was a big fucking plate, you know, I mean, it
• 52:23
  was, so, the feed you got was huge.
• 52:26
  Um, and lovely and the waitress was super nice and it was, it
• 52:29
  was a lovely place, but it's just different strokes, but you don't get
• 52:32
  that feeling if you roll through.
• 52:33
  So yeah.
• 52:34
  Come back to the question.
• 52:35
  Um, yeah, I, I, I tend to do digital or, um, local.
• 52:43
  Yeah.
• 52:43
  The fast, the fast digital for highway stuff, but for sure stuck in
• 52:50
  traffic, I need spoken word travel.
• 52:54
  I, I too believe I love the local.
• 52:57
  And, and you're right, you're a pop, you're a pop of Europe, um, and, and,
• 53:04
  uh, uh, in America country, and, and we've done, um, a lot of country on, on,
• 53:12
  uh, on my road trip with the boy there.
• 53:14
  We did, uh, plenty of And the cheesy Rocky stuff is the best stuff, isn't it?
• 53:17
  Like, it's the most amusing.
• 53:19
  The, you know.
• 53:20
  I want a boat and millions and like, blah, blah, blah, you know, that's,
• 53:23
  that's the entertainment stuff.
• 53:25
  The, I had to shoot the dog and the missus left me and woe is
• 53:28
  me, like, fuck off, no one cares.
• 53:30
  Like, I know people, they sell really well, but I'm not interested.
• 53:33
  It, like, needs to have a little bit of, sort of, tongue in cheek, laugh at
• 53:36
  itself ness for me, otherwise it doesn't quite work, but then I'm not American.
• 53:40
  Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's interesting.
• 53:44
  Yeah, it can't take itself too too seriously.
• 53:46
  Certainly, uh, the atmosphere on on our road trip was that we were not
• 53:52
  taking, um, the music very seriously.
• 53:54
  We were singing along and and laughing and generally really in in in the best way.
• 54:01
  Yeah.
• 54:02
  Um, yeah, because otherwise you start getting into going to the grand
• 54:05
  old Opry and you know, um, I mean, I'm not really that into country.
• 54:11
  I quite like to listen to it.
• 54:12
  The relaxed stuff, you know, the amusing, the rocky stuff.
• 54:15
  But like, you know, when it all gets a bit serious, it's nice to
• 54:18
  be able to change the channel.
• 54:20
  Um, Metallica.
• 54:22
  Short hair or long hair?
• 54:27
  Um, I don't really care.
• 54:29
  Like, do whatever they want, you know?
• 54:31
  No, no, just era.
• 54:32
  Oh, I see.
• 54:33
  New, old, old.
• 54:34
  Metallica, yeah.
• 54:35
  Long hair.
• 54:36
  Yeah.
• 54:38
  Yeah, I thought you'd say that.
• 54:40
  But those more recent albums are just so, those 90s albums, so listenable.
• 54:47
  I find I listen to that material more now.
• 54:50
  than the long hair stuff of years ago.
• 54:53
  Yeah, I mean, it's each their own.
• 54:54
  And the stuff off the most recent album, I listened to a couple of tracks.
• 54:57
  I quite liked it.
• 54:58
  I thought it was pretty decent.
• 54:59
  I mean, it felt like they were going back to early Metallica, sort of
• 55:02
  more than the sort of, um, period that I basically tuned out of them.
• 55:08
  Um, so yeah.
• 55:10
  Mark, thank you for your time.
• 55:12
  My pleasure, man.
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