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- 0:08Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the 23rd of
- 0:12June 2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News.
- 0:17I'm your host, Brian Garris, delighted to have Ben Rubin with
- 0:20me in the studio. And we're joined by Diane
- 0:23Rasmussen. Mccaddy, my live video link.
- 0:27Well, it's winter drawing all now.
- 0:30Summer stalls. This is over Ben and nearly
- 0:32Christmas. Brian.
- 0:34We, we won't take it that far. It's, it's a lovely day in
- 0:38Plymouth and of course we had very mixed weather over much of
- 0:41UK over the weekend. We did have the longest day, but
- 0:45we're going to look forward to more summer.
- 0:47So let's stick with that lovely theme in our head now.
- 0:52Our regular viewers will know that UK column often comes in at
- 0:56a different angle from other reports.
- 0:58And what are the things that certainly better myself and
- 1:02Diane have been looking at over quite a few weeks is what is
- 1:05going on in this country. And we're going to encourage our
- 1:09audience today to stay calm, carry on and have a look at
- 1:15what's happening in this country before you start to judge what's
- 1:19happening overseas. And there's no other place to
- 1:22start, unfortunately, than with Keir Starmer.
- 1:26Now, probably I should have had a bigger photo of him, but here
- 1:30he is spewing words and wisdom about what's happening in the
- 1:34Middle East. And how can we describe this
- 1:37man? I don't trust him at all.
- 1:40Flacid is another term I would use to describe him.
- 1:44But the key point is that this man is running a death cult.
- 1:49Now, some of this has been up on the UK column over the last few
- 1:52days, but of course we've got the Assisted Dying Bill that is
- 1:56about death, and we've also got the decriminalisation of
- 2:00abortion that is also about death of babies.
- 2:05We have a massive censorship campaign running under the
- 2:09surface and the UK column has been warning and warning and
- 2:12warning about this for a great many years.
- 2:15We've also got unlimited propaganda.
- 2:18I asked Ben to suggest me an image before the before as we
- 2:23were compiling the news today and Ben said, well, the only
- 2:26thing you should choose is BBC and he's absolutely correct.
- 2:30But a massive propaganda campaign running 24 hours a day
- 2:34in the UK? We've got the grooming gang
- 2:37smokescreen. And I'm going to say to the
- 2:39audience today, if you think that I am banging on about this
- 2:43particular subject, I can tell you, you are going to hear more
- 2:47and more and more about child abuse because this is a subject
- 2:51the government knows it can use in order to distract the public
- 2:55from what is going on in other key areas.
- 2:58People are going to get more and more passionate about this as
- 3:02more and more violent stuff comes to the surface.
- 3:04But of course, the government can also inflamed one group of
- 3:07the community against another. So grooming gangs, exceptionally
- 3:11dangerous. Diane is going to be talking
- 3:14about this a little bit more. But of course we've also got
- 3:18this happening and Ben in particular has been delving into
- 3:22this subject, the destruction of our constitution.
- 3:26And where is this all leading at the moment?
- 3:28Well, not only the demise of UK, but the fact we've now got these
- 3:33horrific war zones, which UK Keir Starmer's government now we
- 3:39can see very clearly have helped to ferment.
- 3:43And what does it look like on the frontline?
- 3:45Well, if we just move forward and have a look at some of the
- 3:49images from the Middle East, we will see that there are some
- 3:54really bad things happening. And Kier Starmer's involved.
- 3:58Who's he working for? Is it for the World Economic
- 4:01Forum, is it for UK or is it for Israel?
- 4:04We don't know. Let's have a look at some of the
- 4:08images here. I have not chosen anything too
- 4:11horrific, but nevertheless, we're going to have a look at at
- 4:15what is represented here as this, sorry, as this conflict
- 4:20unfolds, not only in Israel and Gaza and with Iran, but also in
- 4:26other parts of the world such as Ukraine.
- 4:29We've got some shots here of Iranian drones and missiles
- 4:33coming in over Israel. This is a direct hit on one of
- 4:38the Iron Dome sites with a missile cooking off.
- 4:41So there is no doubt that Iran is doing tremendous damage in
- 4:45Israel at the moment, although the BBC doesn't want to report
- 4:48it. And conversely, of course, we've
- 4:50still got horrific damage in Iran by the Israeli forces.
- 4:55Now, I don't know what this location is, but by the colour
- 4:58of the smoke there is something industrial, whether that's fuel
- 5:03or chemicals burning off. And then we get to the bizarre
- 5:06situation where of course we have this message.
- 5:09Thank you, Mr. President Trump posted up in Tel Aviv.
- 5:14Childish behaviour by Israel as a nation state and apparently we
- 5:19should be grateful to Trump. I don't think so.
- 5:23Diane, let's bring you in because of course you've picked
- 5:26up that across UK. If you go into a hotel, if you
- 5:30go into a pub or a club, you're very likely to see ATV screen,
- 5:36which will be the BBC simply rolling and rolling propaganda
- 5:41about what's happening in in the world.
- 5:43And you've picked up on this particular image.
- 5:46Tell us a bit more about it. Yeah, thanks, friend.
- 5:50Hello, Ben. Happy to be here today.
- 5:52I was just watching the BBC yesterday morning just so that
- 5:55the audience doesn't have to, and this particular image was up
- 5:59on the screen for a couple of minutes and I just took a photo
- 6:02of it from my own television. There's a number of things going
- 6:05on here. I think in this photo 1 is that
- 6:08we see that BBC verify and Mariana Spring and the rest of
- 6:11her team were obviously being kind enough to tell us exactly
- 6:15where the US bombed the nuclear sites in Iran.
- 6:17So it's really good to know that they've got our best interest at
- 6:20heart so that we see the actual Google Earth image or whatever
- 6:24it is. You also have the convenience of
- 6:26picking up your phone and scanning the QR code to find out
- 6:29even more, which is wonderful news because then they know that
- 6:32you've got your phone on you at all times and that you're
- 6:35looking at the right things at the right times.
- 6:37Which is really interesting as well, is that the ticker at the
- 6:40bottom says that you and Secretary General Antonio
- 6:43Gutierrez is gravely alarmed by the use of force by the US
- 6:47against Iran, which is all part of the confusion that I believe
- 6:50we'll be covering a little bit later than the news, Brian.
- 6:53Yes, 24 hour a day propaganda by the BBC and certainly the UK
- 7:00column audience is noticing that what they don't, what they don't
- 7:04want to cover is the destruction in either Ukraine.
- 7:08We don't talk about the real damage to the Ukrainian and
- 7:11common economy or the people or the Ukrainian military don't
- 7:16want to give the UK public the truth there.
- 7:19And the same is now happening with regard to Israel and Iran,
- 7:24that we are not to be told the suffering going on inside Israel
- 7:29as a result of clearly very large Iranian attacks hitting
- 7:33home. So the UK public treated its
- 7:36children, particularly by the BBC, and it's up to alternative
- 7:41media channels such as the UK column to get the top off this.
- 7:46But aside from that propaganda, Diane, you've also been having a
- 7:49look at what it's going to cost to set up some of these
- 7:54inquiries. Yeah, the inquiries as well as
- 7:58the the outcomes of them, including the redress schemes.
- 8:01So if we go back quickly to October of 2022, when we first
- 8:04saw the release of the report of the Independent Inquiry into
- 8:08Child sex sexual abuse in England, there were several
- 8:11recommendations that came out of that report.
- 8:14Of course, this cost millions of pounds and cost many of years to
- 8:17complete. It was released in October of
- 8:192022. One of the main recommendations
- 8:22from the report was to set up a redress scheme.
- 8:25What we're now hearing is, of course, we don't have the money
- 8:28to cover the redress scheme because there have been so many
- 8:31children who suffered sexual abuse that it could hit up to
- 8:34£10 billion to pay for the redress scheme in England, £10
- 8:38billion. And we see, you know, Scotland
- 8:42has a redress scheme, of course. But as we're seeing with the
- 8:44residential school ladies, of course, that we've been covering
- 8:47for years, they're currently not eligible for redress despite
- 8:51having the scheme in Scotland because they weren't abused for
- 8:54long enough. Apparently six weeks of abuse is
- 8:56not enough to be able to apply for redress and also because
- 9:01they were not in the correct setting, of course, which is a
- 9:04lie. But anyways, Keir Starmer is now
- 9:08criticizing the previous Conservative government,
- 9:11although the Conservative government was the one that was
- 9:13in power when this was released for failing to implement what is
- 9:17called the J Review recommendations, and that
- 9:19includes the redress scheme. So even though Cure Stormers in
- 9:23charge and the Conservative government put it in place, he's
- 9:25now blaming them for not having this available and implementing
- 9:30the 20 recommendations. Just last month we had released
- 9:34the National Audit on group based Child Exploitation and
- 9:37abuse, which is the grooming games that we've been talking
- 9:40about. This report was led by Baroness
- 9:43Casey of Blackstock DBECB. She's had a number of high level
- 9:48government roles over the years. She is now the UK government's
- 9:51lead non executive director as of January this year I believe.
- 9:56And so she was in charge of this particular audit and we've got a
- 10:00quote from here that she provided in the forward to the
- 10:03report saying we have seen state and church institutions,
- 10:07residential care and medical settings all pressure to hold
- 10:11inquiries into historic failings.
- 10:14It cost £5,000,000 for one local inquiry and that took almost
- 10:19five years. If we got this right years ago,
- 10:22which of course we didn't, seeing these girls as children
- 10:25raped rather than quote, wayward teenagers or collaborators and
- 10:29their abuse, collecting ethnicity data and acknowledging
- 10:33as a system that we did not do a good enough job then I doubt
- 10:37that we would be in this place now.
- 10:40She goes on to say in the executive summary that there
- 10:43were around 500,000 children a year have been likely to
- 10:47experience sexual abuse as children of any kind and for the
- 10:52vast majority of them, of course, their abuse has not been
- 10:54identified, has not been reported to the police.
- 10:58So the police data is much lower than that.
- 11:01According to the police recorded data, there were just over
- 11:04100,000 offenses of child sexual abuse and exploitation recorded
- 11:09in 2024. So that's about 1/5 of what they
- 11:12think actually happens with around 60% of them being what
- 11:15they call contact offenses and the rest are online offenses.
- 11:20Of the contact offenses, an estimated around 17,000 are
- 11:24flagged by the police as child sexual exploitation in the
- 11:29recorded data. The problem is that we do not
- 11:31have reliable data. The only data that is available
- 11:35comes from a new police data set on child sexual exploitation,
- 11:38which is called the Complex and Organized Child Abuse Seven data
- 11:42set if you want to look it up. And although this has many
- 11:45limitations, it identified only around 700 recorded offenses of
- 11:50group based child sexual exploitation.
- 11:52So the agreement gang behavior in 2023.
- 11:56There was an excellent sub stack post that came out from Roger
- 11:59Mia last week. So I'd like to show some of what
- 12:02he said about this. Of course Ben has interviewed
- 12:04Raja in the past and we had him as a speaker and our live events
- 12:09on location Cheltenham and he has said here if this is truly
- 12:13about the survivors then each and every child betrayed by the
- 12:17authorities must be entitled to compensation.
- 12:20We now know that such a compensation she schemes should
- 12:23cost up to could cost up to £10 billion, as I've just said, and
- 12:27he went on to say as well in this article that he basically
- 12:32says that he doesn't think that anything will ever really come
- 12:35out of this. Unfortunately, stealing seems to
- 12:37be quite scurched about it. He did say, of course, that this
- 12:40national redress scheme was one of those 24 recommendations, as
- 12:43I said, but now he's identifying once again that this proposal
- 12:48has been scrapped because of the cost.
- 12:50As we all know, Raj and Mia has done an incredible job over the
- 12:54years for UK column and everywhere else on, on
- 12:56identifying this and has paid the price for it.
- 12:59So I think we should continue to support him and we need to also
- 13:02continue to make sure that we can put pressure on the
- 13:04government wherever possible to to make them accountable for
- 13:08what has happened and and protect these 500,000 children
- 13:12per year that are being abused sexually across the country.
- 13:14Brian. So thank you very much for that.
- 13:18And just to reinforce our opening statement on this
- 13:23horrific what has been going on over a great many years to do
- 13:26with children in UK can only happen with the full connivance
- 13:31of the establishment and the government.
- 13:32There's no question of that. But what we are saying is watch
- 13:36out because you're now going to see the government pushing
- 13:38everything to do with child safety, child abuse, because
- 13:42that's the smokescreen to help cover up what it is doing
- 13:46elsewhere. Do we need to stay on the case
- 13:48with children? Yes, would be aware of that
- 13:51smokescreen. And Ben, let's bring you in
- 13:53because propaganda, censorship that is unfolding very, very
- 13:58quickly in UK. Indeed it is.
- 14:00Yes. Hello everybody.
- 14:02And we're going to head over to Demos, the think tank led by
- 14:06Polly Curtis, the Chief executive.
- 14:08And we've actually had some messages over the past few weeks
- 14:11asking why we covered them. Not so much.
- 14:13Hopefully this will shed some light on that.
- 14:15And ultimately it's because they are playmaking the censorship
- 14:19industrial complex here in the UK.
- 14:21Let's hear now from Polly Curtis about the launch of the
- 14:24Epistemic Security Network. So I'm your chair tonight, and
- 14:30tonight we are launching a new network, the Epistemic Security
- 14:35Network, and the aim of this network is to provide a home for
- 14:40the. Collective efforts to protect
- 14:43democracy by cleaning up our information supply chains.
- 14:48Together, we hope this network, spanning civil society, politics
- 14:52and government will mobilise evidence and design strategies
- 14:57to protect our democratic supply chains and our future.
- 15:01Really, we aim for this network to be a platform for everyone in
- 15:06this room to use, to come together, to find the
- 15:09connections, to find the ideas and to progress this agenda
- 15:13together. And we have the most.
- 15:16Before I even get to the panel, we have the most extraordinary
- 15:19group of people here. I know everyone of you in the
- 15:22audience and where you're from, and you really bring such
- 15:25expertise to this conversation. We're very keen that you're part
- 15:29of this conversation going forward.
- 15:33Well, there we have it, Ben. Information supply chains.
- 15:37These people are desperate because they know the lid's
- 15:40coming off what they're doing, and anybody who's working for
- 15:43that is a direct threat to them. But that's quite a statement,
- 15:47isn't it? Information supply chain.
- 15:48It is yes, absolutely. It comes from this report that
- 15:51we we talked about earlier in the year.
- 15:53This demo support epistemic security 2029 still focused on
- 15:56the 29 next general election, fortifying the UK's information
- 16:00supply chain and they to find epistemic security as keeping
- 16:04our knowledge safe. Knowledge.
- 16:07Well, quite exactly the official narrative, ultimately, and as
- 16:10we've just heard, the official narrative was telling us that
- 16:13there was no issue with grooming gangs across the north of
- 16:15England. Turns out there was an issue
- 16:16with grooming gangs across the north of England.
- 16:18But apparently these people are the people who should be
- 16:20protecting knowledge and telling us what isn't, isn't true.
- 16:24Who's in the network? Wow, right, She said.
- 16:27Look at the people who are in the room.
- 16:29I'll pick a few names out. Hope not hate, full factor we've
- 16:33spoken about recently they would potentially do.
- 16:36They've got a guy in there running Ofsted at the moment.
- 16:39DCMS are in the room. So you've got civil service and
- 16:44politicians, civil society foundations like the Jo Cox
- 16:47Foundation, Public Interest News Foundation I've spoken about
- 16:51previously, which is run by a guy that was exec director of
- 16:53the Fabian Society. Polly Curtis is on the board
- 16:56there, Ofcom. Yeah.
- 16:59The arbiters of truth. The British Library is a few
- 17:01people there from the library system.
- 17:03Diane, we'll have to talk about that later.
- 17:05The Royal Society, because they have to own science, right?
- 17:08And they actually talk about that in the video.
- 17:10You should go and watch the whole thing.
- 17:11By the way, we'll provide a link.
- 17:12It's about an hour and 20 minutes.
- 17:14Highly recommend it. Right.
- 17:15So an extremely powerful network.
- 17:17What are they there to do? That's there to protect, protect
- 17:20liberal democracy. And as I define that regular
- 17:24viewers will know is we can do whatever we want if enough
- 17:27people go along with it. And they're also extremely
- 17:30concerned about defending the country against populism.
- 17:34This term has been used quite a bit in recently and also in in
- 17:38that video, which you can go and watch.
- 17:41And the BBC defines this as the idea that society is separated
- 17:45into two groups at odds with one another, the pure people and the
- 17:48corrupt elite. And I think the corrupt elite
- 17:52were probably in that room at demos last week.
- 17:55And what were they saying up on stage?
- 17:57SO3 panelists will just give you a quick glimpse into the
- 18:01discussion. So this is Sir John
- 18:03Whittingdale, Conservative MP from Malden since 1992, formerly
- 18:08at DCMS. He actually created the BBC
- 18:11local democracy reporter scheme. He was happy to let us know.
- 18:14And he says one of the challenges is striking the
- 18:16balance between free speech and disinformation.
- 18:18Obviously people like him get to decide that.
- 18:22Who else was there? Gina Neff from Cambridge
- 18:24University, she essentially saying that we can't media
- 18:31literacy our way out of this. The plebs are revolting, Brian.
- 18:36The narrative is falling to paces.
- 18:38And and they're very worried. They're they're very worried.
- 18:42If the audience wants good news, the good news is you can see the
- 18:46narrative of this team coming apart.
- 18:50Are people always saying to us, what's the good news?
- 18:52Well, the good news is you can see they're having trouble.
- 18:55What are they having trouble countering?
- 18:56The truth? Basically, yes.
- 18:58Facts and the truth. Exactly.
- 19:01Exactly. So she says we can't media,
- 19:03media literacy our way out of the problem.
- 19:05The guy at the BBC on the end there, he actually thinks that
- 19:08you can. He's Ian Bundrid, director of
- 19:10public policy at the BBC, who has just arrived there from
- 19:14YouTube. He's been at YouTube for five
- 19:15years. So he probably booed us off
- 19:17YouTube. Actually that might have been
- 19:19him. And he said, can we work on a
- 19:21disinformation GCSE? He actually wants to manipulate
- 19:25the the education system and actually even revealed in this
- 19:30presentation that the BBC News round, their kind of kids news
- 19:35program is actually shown in to 3,000,000 young people in their
- 19:39classroom every week at the moment.
- 19:41I had no idea they were doing that.
- 19:43Didn't used to happen when I was at school.
- 19:44So anyway, who's behind this? 2 crew?
- 19:47Social figures. So this guy, William Perry, and
- 19:50who actually funded the original Demos report, former top policy
- 19:53adviser to Blair, instrumental in creating Ofcom, actually
- 19:57received an OBE for his work on the Online Safety Act.
- 20:01Also, he's married into the Sainsbury's family,
- 20:03interestingly, and he's also funding a lot of other things as
- 20:07well. This guy's fascinating,
- 20:09including the Future Governance Forum.
- 20:11Go and check that out. We'll talk about it more over
- 20:13the next couple of weeks. And then finally, also in the
- 20:15mix, funding this. Network is the Quadrature
- 20:18Climate Foundation, who are the people that Bund 4,000,000 lbs
- 20:22to Labour just ahead of the general election last year, are
- 20:25also funding the retraining of the UK civil service, fire a
- 20:28political foundation and have shelled over a billion dollars
- 20:31into 187 organisations in 17 countries.
- 20:35These are the people that are controlling what isn't isn't
- 20:37true in the UK right now. Control, controlling the
- 20:40narrative. So what?
- 20:41People get heavily focused on what's happening in the Middle
- 20:44East or Ukraine inside UK. This society is being taken
- 20:50apart, it's being controlled and free speech is being wiped out
- 20:54by these teams. And of course they can only do
- 20:56it with the help of vast amounts of money.
- 21:00So the banking system's got to be in there somewhere.
- 21:02But we are going to say whatever you're looking at worldwide,
- 21:06whatever you're worried about, stay focused on what's actually
- 21:09eating away of the constitutional structure of UK.
- 21:14Now we have to do it. We have to do some comments on
- 21:18what's happening in the Middle East at the moment.
- 21:22And the best starting point is to have a look at what President
- 21:26Trump had to say after his attacks on the Iranian nuclear
- 21:31facility. A short time ago, the US
- 21:36military carried out massive precision strikes on the three
- 21:40key nuclear facilities in the Iranian regime for Doe, Natanz
- 21:47and Isfahan. Everybody heard those names for
- 21:52years as they built this horribly destructive enterprise
- 21:57of was the destruction of Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity and
- 22:02a stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's number one
- 22:06state sponsor of terror. Tonight I can report to the
- 22:09world that the strikes were a spectacular military success.
- 22:16Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely
- 22:19and totally obliterated. Iran, the bully of the Middle
- 22:23East, must now make peace. If they do not, future attacks
- 22:28will be far greater and a lot easier.
- 22:33Well, Ben, I don't know if that fills you with confidence.
- 22:36And the question is who is the terrorist or the bully operating
- 22:40in the Middle East? Certainly, Americans got the
- 22:43weight of the military power in that area.
- 22:46But Trump being very upbeat, we don't yet know what the strikes
- 22:50actually did. And there's now more debate over
- 22:53whether they were successful or not.
- 22:54But nevertheless, that's how he announced it.
- 22:58Now, what was he talking about? This little video clip does
- 23:01explain the use of the American bunker busting bombs, but also
- 23:08we have got we've got mainstream reports being confused with
- 23:13films. This is truly, this is a truly
- 23:17scary report as it is, it shows us how pitiful American
- 23:22mainstream media has got. Let's have a look at this Fox
- 23:24report. Yeah, So what we're looking at
- 23:28here is we're being told this is, I think anywhere from just
- 23:31shop 200 to 300 feet in depth. There are all kind of reports
- 23:34out there of 1000 foot, but I think that's more propaganda.
- 23:37So what you end up doing is if you saw the movie, the latest
- 23:40Top Gun movie, eerily enough, this is that plot kind of coming
- 23:44to fruition in real life. It's not just one bomb.
- 23:47It'll be a bomb after a bomb to get through that penetration.
- 23:50And just lastly, that's what you're talking about, penetrate
- 23:53up to 200 feet below the surface and then of course we'll see it.
- 23:58Try and put the second one in there and go down in there.
- 24:01Let's bring in David Burke, our Top Gun and former.
- 24:05Top Gun. Instructor retired, yes, Marine
- 24:07Corps officer now, David, I don't know how well we did that,
- 24:10but you know this better than anybody.
- 24:12Talk to us about, you know, questions over whether or not
- 24:16this can successfully be done. Joey Jones just crushed that
- 24:20explanation. You guys hit the nail on the
- 24:22head. So really well done.
- 24:25This absolutely can be done. There is not a cave in the world
- 24:28deep enough to defend itself against the American military if
- 24:30it needs to hit it. And you describe the weapons
- 24:32system and the aircraft and the mating of that exactly.
- 24:36Right now this is a hard problem to solve, but it is absolutely a
- 24:39solvable problem with this system.
- 24:43Well, there was a comment in our chat box.
- 24:46Pathetic, pathetic, but highly dangerous.
- 24:49We're mixing films. We seem to regard this as a fun
- 24:53report. It's exciting, these bunker
- 24:56busting bombs. But we've seen other reports
- 24:59where in the media people have been saying, well, it was a bit
- 25:01disappointed because we didn't detect any radiation links.
- 25:06We are dealing with mad people here.
- 25:08They don't know whether they're living a film or real life.
- 25:12Well, against that backdrop, what did Keir Starmer have to
- 25:15say? Let's look at our flaccid Prime
- 25:18Minister in action. President Trump has said future
- 25:22attacks would be far greater and a lot easier.
- 25:25There will be either peace or there will be tragedy for Iran,
- 25:28greater than we have witnessed over the last eight days.
- 25:31Iran has said the events overnight will have everlasting
- 25:34consequences. Do you agree escalation seems
- 25:37very real? And are you prepared to offer
- 25:40military support, UK military support if needed?
- 25:44Well, my focus is on de escalating the situation.
- 25:47I accept your challenge that there is a risk of escalation.
- 25:51That's a risk to the region. It's a risk beyond the region
- 25:55and that's why all our focus has been on de escalating, getting
- 25:57people back around to negotiate what is a very real threat in
- 26:02relation to the nuclear program, in relation to the UK.
- 26:06We were not involved in the attack.
- 26:08We were given due notice, as we would expect as close allies to
- 26:12the US and we have been moving assets to the region to make
- 26:16sure that we're in a position to protect our own interests, our
- 26:20personnel and our assets and of course, those of our allies.
- 26:26Well, there we are, Ben, Prime Minister peace, He's been doing
- 26:29everything he can to wind down the wars, whether it's Ukraine
- 26:34or with Israel and the Middle East.
- 26:36He's simply been there pushing for peace, didn't get involved
- 26:40in the American attacks. The British intelligence
- 26:43services not involved. I'm very sure they would have
- 26:46been because the Americans would have actually appreciated some
- 26:50advice. And but there he is.
- 26:53This is what he says to the public.
- 26:55It's truly outrageous that he can say these sorts of things.
- 26:59I don't know whether you want to comment on that.
- 27:02Ineffectual and out of the loop I think I would say with
- 27:05Starmer. Looks like he's had his hair
- 27:06done though. Maybe he was with his stylist
- 27:08over the weekend. I I'm also going to repeat
- 27:11again, when he makes these statements, you don't know
- 27:13whether he's speaking as Prime Minister of, of the UK or he's
- 27:17talking on behalf of the World Economic Forum or he's giving
- 27:20the line required by Israel. We simply do not know who this
- 27:24man works for. Now let's get into the serious
- 27:27reports. And this is the Iranian foreign
- 27:30minister talking about the attack.
- 27:34Iran condemns in the strongest terms the United States brutal
- 27:40military aggression against Iran's peaceful nuclear
- 27:44facilities. It is an outrageous, grave and
- 27:48unprecedented violation of the fundamental principles of the
- 27:53Charter of the United Nations and international law.
- 27:57Well, I think it is irrelevant to ask Iran to return to
- 28:01diplomacy because we were in the middle of diplomacy.
- 28:06We were in the middle of talks with with the United States when
- 28:11Israelis blew it up. And again, we were in the middle
- 28:17of talks and negotiations with Europeans happened only two days
- 28:23ago in Geneva, when this time Americans decided to blow it up.
- 28:31So what are you saying? They're absolutely accurate.
- 28:34Iranian at the peace negotiations when they were
- 28:38attacked. No ifs or buts.
- 28:40Now, the following or the next piece of video clip is from
- 28:44Scott Ritter. An absolutely fantastic
- 28:47statement and analysis of what's actually just taken place.
- 28:52Let's see what Scott Ritter has to say.
- 28:55This marking the anniversary of German perfidy, the world was
- 29:00experiencing American perfidy, that America was involved in
- 29:04engaging in a illegal act of aggression against Iran.
- 29:09And the question is, is this the kind of new threat that we are
- 29:14talking about? And as an American, this new
- 29:18threat doesn't manifest itself from Iran.
- 29:22It manifests itself from within. What are the traditional values
- 29:28of the United States? We are a nation defined by the
- 29:31rule of law as established by the Constitution.
- 29:35And when we speak of how we apply on the global scene,
- 29:39understand that the Constitution, you know, has in
- 29:42it a clause that says when the United States Senate has
- 29:46ratified A treaty that has been signed by the president, that
- 29:50becomes the law of the land. And I want to remind people that
- 29:53the United Nations Charter is a de facto treaty that has been
- 29:58ratified by the Senate of the United States, signed by the
- 30:01President of the United States. And therefore the United States
- 30:04is constitutionally obliged to comply with the laws that are
- 30:09set forth in the Charter. And one of the principal things
- 30:13is that you will not carry out. There's only two conditions
- 30:16under which a nation can go to war.
- 30:18A nation could go to war if the Security Council of the United
- 30:22Nations has enacted a Chapter 7 resolution under the charter
- 30:26authorizing military force to be used to resolve a specific
- 30:30threat to international peace and security.
- 30:33No such resolution exists today regarding Iran.
- 30:36The other one is that a nation can carry out legitimate
- 30:40self-defense that they have been attacked, or if they are
- 30:44confronted with the imminent threat of violence, they are
- 30:47allowed to preemptively act to eliminate the imminent threat.
- 30:51But then they are obligated to go to the Security Council to
- 30:54once again turn the situation over to the international body
- 30:58for alternate resolution. the United States has not been
- 31:01attacked by Iran, and there's nobody that can articulate the
- 31:04potential of such an attack. People who seek to do so by
- 31:07talking about Iran's emergence as a nuclear threshold state
- 31:13forget that at the time of the Israeli attack and the American
- 31:16attack, Iran was at the negotiating table, negotiating a
- 31:22resolution to this issue that eliminated any notion of them
- 31:27not only being a threat, but an imminent threat.
- 31:32Lot to discuss in that clip but the key thing is he's saying we
- 31:35need to look inside America for the problem and of course the
- 31:39same situation here in UK. We need to look inside UK to
- 31:44understand what is really happening the decay inside UK
- 31:48that is then fermenting these overseas wars.
- 31:51We'll talk about this more in UK column extra but let's have a
- 31:55look at this last clip. This is Senator Bernie Sanders,
- 31:58who was speaking at a rally when he heard the news about the
- 32:02American strike. Listen to what he has to say and
- 32:06listen to the reaction of the audience.
- 32:11This is a statement, statement from Donald Trump, quote, We
- 32:15have completed our very successful attack on the three
- 32:18nuclear sites in Iran. Etcetera.
- 32:50I agree. And I want to tell you
- 32:53something. Not only is this news that I've
- 32:57just heard, the second alarming that all of you have just heard,
- 33:02but it is so grossly unconstitutional.
- 33:06All of you know that the only entity that can take this
- 33:13country to. War is the US Congress.
- 33:16The president does not have the right.
- 33:24So a senator here picking up on the key point, Trump is out of
- 33:28control, Keir Starmer is out of control.
- 33:31We're going to deal with the situation overseas.
- 33:33We've got to deal with what is going wrong inside our own
- 33:37countries and we must not lose sight of that.
- 33:40We'll discuss these points a lot more in UK Column Extra, which
- 33:45will be after the news for members of UK column.
- 33:48But in the meantime, what what have we got to say to our
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- 34:20Now tomorrow, going out at 1:00 is an interview I did with
- 34:23Debbie Richon. It's on the subject of parental
- 34:26alienation, but Debbie's been doing a lot of good work to help
- 34:30mothers and, and I believe some fathers that have been through
- 34:34this appalling experience. She calls herself the
- 34:38Relationship Phoenix. Fascinating interview.
- 34:42And I have to say this lady's doing some really, really good
- 34:44work in the background. So join us for that now.
- 34:48Debbie, Diane, apologies bring you in here because you're going
- 34:53to give us a report on the written material for UK column
- 34:58and we've got a couple of articles here.
- 35:01Yes, thanks Brian. Now there's two new written
- 35:04articles that were just published this morning on the UK
- 35:07column websites. This one is part one of three
- 35:10parts that Professor Gloria Moss, who you might remember
- 35:14from the her really good article in the Fabian Society from a few
- 35:17weeks ago, she's now doing a three-part series for us on Post
- 35:21truth in different contexts. So this is part one of three.
- 35:25This one is about science and medicine and post truth.
- 35:28So take a look at that article if you have a chance.
- 35:31It's really, really very interesting and gets great
- 35:33information in there. And the other one that we've
- 35:36published this morning is the third part in the baking and
- 35:40financial series from Yolk's Von Grieva.
- 35:43And this one is about Bitcoin and questioning whether it is a
- 35:47Ponzi scheme. So it gives us some really good
- 35:49information as well about Bitcoin and how crypto assets
- 35:53work in general. And of course, parts one and two
- 35:56have already been published. And one of those was about how
- 35:58central banks work and one was about central bank digital
- 36:01currencies or CBDC's. So these are from members only
- 36:04by Doctor Laundry Buso. If you're not a member, please
- 36:07sign up so that you can take a look at his articles.
- 36:09They're very good. OK, Diane, thank you very much
- 36:13for that and also reminder to people that will be having our
- 36:18on location event on the 18th of October in York.
- 36:22Now people are saying when will you tell us about the tickets?
- 36:26Very soon there will be an announcement about when tickets
- 36:29will be on sale. Be patient, it is coming.
- 36:33But we're really looking forward to meeting people at that event
- 36:37because mixing with the UK column audience and supporters
- 36:42is a wonderful thing for for both sides, for us and for you.
- 36:47You've all said you enjoy being there and chilling out with
- 36:50other people, discussing what's happening in the world, also
- 36:53making friends and enjoying the ambience.
- 36:56So do come to it, to that York event if you can.
- 37:00If you're further north or north of the border in Scotland,
- 37:04that's there for you. And as I've said before, we want
- 37:08this one to be a success because if York is a success, we will
- 37:12commit ourselves to the weekend event for UK Columns 20th
- 37:17anniversary next year in 2026. Now coming up with the weekend,
- 37:23we've also got Sounds Beautiful festival in Wimble, Dorset.
- 37:26UK column team are going to be there.
- 37:28I'm told the weather is going to be good, so we look forward to
- 37:33that event and meeting everybody who comes along.
- 37:36We will see you there. Now we've also got a celebrating
- 37:40freedom of speech event at Glastonbury, which our own Sandy
- 37:44Adams will be there with Clive de Carl.
- 37:47So that's very exciting. Richard Vogue's also speaking.
- 37:51But if you can get along to that event, I'm sure it'd be very
- 37:54good. And here we've got regional
- 37:57sovereignty and devolution. Dissident meet up Southwest
- 38:00region, that's Exeter Sunday the 20th of July and Sandy will also
- 38:07be a speaker at that. So if that's people getting out
- 38:12and about to spread the word on what's happening and to warn
- 38:16people and support people in these very strange times, we
- 38:20certainly need to be looking after our children, Ben, because
- 38:24they simply will not leave the babies and young children alone.
- 38:29They certainly won't. They certainly won't.
- 38:31The the vulnerable and the infirm.
- 38:34Yeah, the unborn children and the old.
- 38:37Last week we saw news from the death cult that runs the country
- 38:41that they're going to decriminalise full term
- 38:43abortion. The Assisted Dying Bill went
- 38:47through on Friday. We had an excellent report on
- 38:49the news on Wednesday from Doctor Liz Evans about Ozempic
- 38:53and the damage it's been causing to people across the UK and
- 38:57further afield. And then on Saturday we had this
- 39:00revelation, this news come up that the NHS is planning to DNA
- 39:05test all babies to supposedly assess their disease risk.
- 39:11And this is the news that DNA sequencing will now take place
- 39:17at birth. Blood will be taken from the
- 39:19umbilical. Cord.
- 39:21Every newborn baby in England will have their DNA maps to
- 39:24assess their risk of hundreds of diseases.
- 39:27It's all about preventative healthcare.
- 39:29When you hear about prevention, this is what they're talking
- 39:32about. Genomics and genetic engineering
- 39:34under NHS plans for the next 10 years.
- 39:37This 10 year plan hasn't come out yet.
- 39:39We're Streeting still working on it, but they're just, they're
- 39:42previewing stuff into the media already.
- 39:45The Streeting has said that gene technology would enable the
- 39:49health service to leapfrog disease.
- 39:51So we're in front of it rather than reacting to it.
- 39:55OK, so the article also says that this was first reported on
- 39:59by the Daily Telegraph. Not strictly true actually,
- 40:02because it was first reported on by me quite a while back now,
- 40:07just over 2 years ago. This is an interview that I did
- 40:09with James Denning Polls, the first time I ever stuck my head
- 40:12above the parapet publicly and started talking about what I was
- 40:15seeing in the health system. So go and have a listen to that.
- 40:18And actually it says in there that they're looking to
- 40:20introduce this into the neonatal pathway.
- 40:23And lo and behold, 2 years down the track.
- 40:25Exactly what they've done. Brian and Debbie have also
- 40:27spoken about this previously and will provide some links to that
- 40:31so you can go and look at those interviews.
- 40:33Lots of information on the UK column website.
- 40:36Who's excited about it? All the wrong people.
- 40:38David Cameron most notably saying this is fantastic news.
- 40:43It has his full backing when I first launched Genomics England.
- 40:46So this is a Cameron government initiative.
- 40:49Actually was a part of the legacy of the 2012 Olympic
- 40:52Games, interestingly enough. Bizarre legacy for an Olympic
- 40:55Games basically says the idea of sequencing the genome of every
- 40:59newborn was a long way off. And it proves how much science
- 41:02has come on and cost down in order to make this is possible.
- 41:06It's very excited about it. He does warn that there's still
- 41:10lots of issues to get to grips with.
- 41:12Permissions for data use, big problems actually getting people
- 41:15to sign up for it, ensuring we start with all children, yeah,
- 41:19everywhere in the country, not restricting to only some areas
- 41:23or some conditions, etcetera. So they want all children into
- 41:27the database. No child left behind, it's the
- 41:30phrase. Exactly, exactly.
- 41:33This is inclusive, Brian, really importantly, and they're talking
- 41:37about this as being transformational for
- 41:40preventative and personalized healthcare.
- 41:42It's all about you. It's all about saving the NHS,
- 41:45you know, all these kind of wonderful things.
- 41:47Well, Cameron doesn't mention, though, in his tweet is the fact
- 41:49that actually he got into a bit of bother back in 2021 because
- 41:55he helped the American genomics firm Illumina secure a £123
- 42:02million uncontested government contract via Matt Hancock,
- 42:06because he personally invited Hancock along to the
- 42:09International Summit on Population Genomics, which is
- 42:12run by Illumina. That you can see Hancock and
- 42:14Cameron on stage there on the right.
- 42:16That's Jay Flatley, who is the chair of Illumina, which is an
- 42:21American technology company founded in 1998.
- 42:25Interesting name. Are they trying to tell us
- 42:27something? I don't know.
- 42:29But they make the machines that do genomic sequencing, right?
- 42:33So this entire industry runs on the back of technology produced
- 42:37by this country. Who runs it?
- 42:39So straight off the bat, the new chairman, Scott Gottlieb, MD's
- 42:43chair since February, sorry, March this year, He's also on
- 42:50the board of Pfizer. And before that, he was the
- 42:52chair of the FDA, the 23rd commissioner of the FDA.
- 42:56Yeah. And so one of the key people
- 42:58actually during COVID who basically spun out of the
- 43:01regulator and then straight into industry.
- 43:03And I would imagine he was being handsomely remunerated for his
- 43:06role there. One would think so.
- 43:08The other thing I'd need to remind the audience about, of
- 43:11course, David Cameron, who said his belief in Israel was
- 43:15unshakeable UK column then said, well, which comes first Mr.
- 43:19Cameron? Is it the UK or is it Israel?
- 43:22And then we have this enormous penetration of the NHS and our,
- 43:27our health schemes across the, or our health industry across
- 43:31the country by Israel. Was that accidental or was that
- 43:35some backdoor dealing? We don't know, of course,
- 43:38because Cameron never really put his cards on the table.
- 43:41But I think we're entitled to ask the question as we've now
- 43:45got Israeli health firms coming in alongside Israeli
- 43:52intelligence. I'm talking military
- 43:54intelligence, state security intelligence, mixing it with the
- 43:58UK government and then coming alongside our health system.
- 44:02Particularly, particularly in the NHS for Nicole Junckermann
- 44:06and Matt Hancock and actually a guy called Park and Moss who was
- 44:11on the board of Genomics England, who was involved in
- 44:14that whole situation as well. So yeah, they're they're very
- 44:16much in the mixed now. What's Illumina about?
- 44:21Let's just hear a little bit from Francis de Souza, the
- 44:24former chief executive of Illumina, speaking about the
- 44:27role of the company in COVID-19, speaking at the World Economic
- 44:31Forum, I believe it was in 2023. Let's have a listen.
- 44:35During COVID, so we were called into China in the fall of 2020,
- 44:39late 20/20/2019 to help them diagnose.
- 44:42Was then a flu of unknown origin.
- 44:44And so we did the first sequence of the SARS COVID 2 genome that
- 44:47was published on January 10th. And around the world, what
- 44:51happened was a couple of companies, so Moderna in
- 44:53Cambridge and and Biontech in Germany took that data and
- 44:57started working on their vaccine.
- 44:58Now, what's interesting is that Moderna, for example, has never
- 45:01had the live virus on their site.
- 45:03It was all a software problem from there.
- 45:05I remember talking to Stefan and he was saying, look, we're
- 45:08basing our entire vaccine program on that data you
- 45:11published it better be good data because that's it.
- 45:13That's all we're using. And, and you can get a sense of
- 45:16Moderna is 1, arguably, you know, one of the most, you know,
- 45:20one of more important companies in biology right now.
- 45:22And yet it's all a software problem for them.
- 45:25And so that's a use case of once you digitize biology, you can
- 45:28solve profound biological problems.
- 45:30It's good. Thing you got it right.
- 45:31It's a good thing. It's a good thing.
- 45:35It's a good thing. It's a good thing.
- 45:37So he was actually in China in 2019.
- 45:41So he was invited to China in 2019 by the Chinese government
- 45:45to digitize the COVID virus, which was then used, the
- 45:49software that created was then used by Moderna and Biontech to
- 45:52generate their their their vaccines.
- 45:54These are the people that are behind the technology, this
- 45:57entire paradigm that is being ushered into the NHS, embedded
- 46:01into the NHS from birthright. And what can this potentially
- 46:06do? So let's have a little look here
- 46:07at this quote from Amy Webb's fantastic quote.
- 46:12We're talking about improving biology and redesigning
- 46:16organisms for beneficial purposes.
- 46:19It's going to allow us to not just edit genomes, but also and
- 46:23importantly write a new code for life.
- 46:28We will have right level permissions for life.
- 46:32That's what this technology they believe that allows them to do.
- 46:37Look at her. They're throwing up the the
- 46:38devil horns. Very rock'n'roll, Miss Webb.
- 46:42Fascinating. That's pretty terrifying.
- 46:46How else could this potentially be abused?
- 46:48Let's have a little listen to Nita Farahani at the World
- 46:51Economic Forum. But once you can
- 46:54probabilistically and through modeling, be able to much better
- 46:58see what's going to happen. Take, for example, the fact that
- 47:01we already can start to see signs of Alzheimer's many, many
- 47:05decades potentially before a person starts to manifest the
- 47:08condition. Do they want to know?
- 47:10And if they don't want to know, should other people have the
- 47:14ability to know? Should an insurance company be
- 47:17able to make choices about whether to cover them?
- 47:19Should an employer have access to that information to make
- 47:22decisions about whether or not they are somebody that they
- 47:26ought to ought to employ? So a few few members, a few
- 47:32members of our chat box said that I've been looking serious
- 47:35during today's news and I think I've got every reason to hear we
- 47:39see the absolute danger of these individuals.
- 47:43They are so deluded in their own power to rewrite life.
- 47:48And she mentions Alzheimer's. Maybe, maybe the insurance
- 47:51companies need to know that you're gonna become a bit.
- 47:53Even if you decide not to. Even if you decide not.
- 47:56They need to know because you might be a risk.
- 47:58No compassion. You're gonna suffer from
- 48:00Alzheimer's. You're gone.
- 48:02You're out the job. You're on the bin.
- 48:04Yeah. End of life programme for you.
- 48:06These are dangerous individuals and if I remember correctly it
- 48:10was David Cameron that soon into his premiership as Prime
- 48:16Minister suddenly announced that by a particular date so many
- 48:22people in UK would have Alzheimer's.
- 48:24I think it was Alzheimer's and I think the figure he was talking
- 48:28about was 2 million. And at the time I was thinking
- 48:30to myself, where do where are you getting that from?
- 48:33Where's the data that's telling you this?
- 48:36So we know that the seeds for this stuff have been sold, have
- 48:40sown many, many years ago. But this is the mindset.
- 48:44So if you wonder how they can bomb Gaza flat and destroy
- 48:48thousands of men, women, children in Gaza or destroy
- 48:52millions of Ukrainians, you are now getting into their mindset.
- 48:57We need to get into their minds. We need to expose what's in our
- 49:01mind, in their minds. And we need to warn as many
- 49:04people as possible. So yeah, it's serious.
- 49:07Extremely serious, and not just in the UK, also importantly, all
- 49:12around the world, but as we're about to find out, in particular
- 49:16from Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel.
- 49:20We came out of COVID first. I described that in my book, My
- 49:23Conversations with Albert Bourla, Pfizer and I persuaded
- 49:26him to give tiny Israel the the necessary vaccines to get us out
- 49:31first from the COVID. And the reason I could do that
- 49:34is because we have a database, 98%, a medical database, 98% of
- 49:40our population has digitized medical records and little card
- 49:44and anywhere you go in any hospital in Israel, NS doesn't
- 49:47make any difference. Boom, you punch it in and you
- 49:50know everything about this patient for the last 20 years.
- 49:53I said we'll use that to tell you whether these vaccines, what
- 49:57do they do to people, not individual people, not with
- 50:00their individual identities, but statistically, what does it do
- 50:03to people with the, you know, with the meningitis?
- 50:07What does it do to people with high blood pressure?
- 50:09What is it, you know, you want to know that?
- 50:11So Israel became, if you will, the, the lab for Pfizer and
- 50:16that's how we did it. We got it out and we gave the
- 50:18information to the world not only been published in medical
- 50:21magazines and so on. That's a database we have.
- 50:26I intend to bring on that base database of medical, personal
- 50:31medical records for entire population, A genetic database,
- 50:35genomes. OK, give me a saliva sample,
- 50:37volunteer. But I'm sure most people would
- 50:40do it. Maybe we'll pay them.
- 50:42Now we have a genetic record on a medical record of a robust
- 50:48population. It's got you have to have
- 50:49diversified populations. We have people from 100 lands.
- 50:53This is a very powerful engine now.
- 50:55Now let pharma companies, let medical companies, let them run
- 51:01algorithms on this database. OK, I'm telling you right away
- 51:05that I'll give preference for a few years to Israeli firms, but
- 51:09you can create. And then to the world, but you
- 51:11can create, you know, a biotechnological industry that
- 51:16is unheard of right now, unheard of, unimagined even.
- 51:22A biotechnological industry and the raw materials are humans and
- 51:27importantly this week, newborn babies.
- 51:32So the the man responsible for the slaughter in Gaza is using
- 51:36his own population as Lab Rats? Debbie, this needs to be
- 51:42exposed. You would have thought that good
- 51:44place to get information flowing would be universities and
- 51:48academia, but is that true? Well, I'm not Debbie, but I can
- 51:55answer. It's Diane, Brian.
- 51:57I'm having a bad day today on time that's.
- 52:00OK, that's OK. She's in the room with us.
- 52:03Well, it depends. It's.
- 52:06The interview tomorrow, it's everything, right?
- 52:09So just some updates on the academic freedom situation,
- 52:13which on the surface looks good, but I'd like to provide some
- 52:16some thoughts on this. If you don't know, if you
- 52:20haven't seen my reporting on this previously, there is
- 52:22something called the Higher Education Freedom of Speech Act
- 52:252023, which was of course passed under the previous government as
- 52:30soon as Labor got in. Essentially the the new
- 52:32education secretary Bridget Phillipson decided to halt it
- 52:36because she had concerns that the law was potentially damaging
- 52:39to student welfare. She was talking about
- 52:41anti-Semitism and and other things like this that she
- 52:44thought of hate speech would be hurting people's feelings.
- 52:48So the Office for Students that now that they've kind of worked
- 52:51this out and, and most of this act is now going into place on
- 52:561st of August. That the Office for Students,
- 52:59which is an independent public body but does report to
- 53:03Parliament through the Department of Education, whilst
- 53:06not being part of central government, has provided some
- 53:08guidance and published some survey results.
- 53:11And so I would like to go into this a little bit just to see
- 53:13what they have to say in support of the Act and how to put this
- 53:17all into place at universities. So first let's hear this short
- 53:22video clip that I have. Well, actually let's first look
- 53:25at this BBC article that I should mention first, BBC
- 53:30telling us that students are ready to be shocked or should be
- 53:34ready to be shocked, not saying that they are and offended at
- 53:37university as as I know through my own process of losing my
- 53:40academic career as a full professor, they do not handle
- 53:43well anything that is considered to be offensive.
- 53:47But so let's look at now what this Office for Students video
- 53:51had to say about its new guidance.
- 53:55Free speech and academic freedom are vital to higher education.
- 53:59In fact, they're vital to society.
- 54:01Without them, there are no new ideas, no productive debate, no
- 54:05challenge to conventional wisdom, and no social progress.
- 54:10Our new free speech guidance illustrates how universities and
- 54:12colleges can protect these rights.
- 54:14It's designed to help universities and colleges
- 54:17navigate their new duties to secure free speech and have a
- 54:20free speech code of practice. These duties will come into
- 54:23force on the 1st of. August this year Right now
- 54:27universities and colleges need to look at their policies that
- 54:29we know that some of you are already doing this.
- 54:31These could include things relating to personnel, so
- 54:34appointments, promotions, disciplinary processes,
- 54:37governance and decision making. Where it affects free speech
- 54:40research ethics, your existing free speech statement and code
- 54:44of practice, and student and staff training materials should
- 54:47include freedom of speech as set out in the guidance, and you
- 54:50should provide induction to ensure that your students and
- 54:52staff understand their own free speech rights.
- 54:55You can see the guidance and find out more about free speech
- 54:57and academic freedom on our website.
- 55:03So we'll put a link in the show notes to the complete guidance
- 55:06if you want to look at all the detail.
- 55:07But basically what I would like to say of the, I guess really
- 55:10important part of the guidance is that they have a framework
- 55:14now that they have recommended for determining whether or not
- 55:18there is an issue or not with free speech and whether or not
- 55:21it should be something that gets pursued and investigated with
- 55:25three steps. The first step is asking whether
- 55:27the speech is within the law. And that's that's another
- 55:31question entirely about unlawful speech.
- 55:33There are people like myself and Professor Dennis Hayes, the
- 55:37director of Academics for Academic Freedom, who believe
- 55:39that all free speech, all speech is just speech.
- 55:42And there's, there shouldn't be anything lawful about any words
- 55:45because there's no actual violence or anything taking
- 55:47place. But there's that's another
- 55:49debate. Step 2 is asking if there are
- 55:52any reasonably practical practicable, that's a difficult
- 55:55word to say, steps to secure the speech and if yes, take those
- 56:00steps and do not restrict the speech.
- 56:02The guidance illustrates other factors that may affect or not
- 56:06affect what is reasonably practicable.
- 56:08So we need to read the guidance for that.
- 56:10And step three are any restrictions prescribed by law
- 56:14and proportionate under the European Convention on Human
- 56:16Rights. And I would have to say that
- 56:18this is one of the things that happened to me was because I
- 56:20have my own views on sex and gender, for example, that those
- 56:23were one of the reasons that I lost my academic career.
- 56:27So let's look separately a bit at both students and academics
- 56:31and how this will affect them. Here's another video from the
- 56:34Office for Students explaining to students that they do have
- 56:37the right to free speech after all.
- 57:51Music. So that's all good to see and
- 58:10and good to hear, but I'm terribly not concerned after,
- 58:14you know, working for 20 years in the university system and
- 58:16especially the past few years that students are not going to
- 58:20be able to cope with us very well because they're coming in
- 58:23with a lot of mental health problems.
- 58:25An idea about well-being and what that means, especially
- 58:27those that survived through the lockdowns and weren't able to
- 58:31actually learn social skills. Universities are sort of
- 58:35coddling these students as well, providing these so-called safe
- 58:38spaces on campus where students can go and cry and have someone
- 58:42make a cup of tea and have a therapy dog, as they call them.
- 58:46And so I'm not terribly concerned that this, I'm
- 58:49actually quite concerned that students will not be able to
- 58:52handle this if it actually comes into place.
- 58:56On the side of the academics, there was a survey that was
- 58:59released last week as well by the office for students talking
- 59:02about how they have perceived academic and free speech on
- 59:06campus. This was conducted last year in
- 59:09March and April of 2024. The interesting thing to note
- 59:12here is that 77% of the academics who responded identify
- 59:17as left wing, with only 9% being in the center, 14% being right
- 59:22wing. Now I don't believe in left and
- 59:24right dichotomies anymore when it comes to politics, but that
- 59:27just kind of kind of goes to show where they're coming from
- 59:31in terms of their positioning. The other thing as well to note
- 59:35is that there was around, according to the survey, around
- 59:391/5 of them do not. Feel free to discuss challenging
- 59:43our controversial topics in their teaching and their
- 59:46research. That increased up to 34% of them
- 59:49who come from ethnic minority backgrounds, which I also
- 59:52thought was interesting. These were similar scores in
- 59:56terms of research and teaching, public speaking, social media.
- 1:00:01Worth noting for me as a female academic who is no longer a
- 1:00:04female academic is that a fifth of the female academics say that
- 1:00:08they did not feel free to discuss their ideas and their
- 1:00:12research as I was counselled for doing so, compared to one in 10
- 1:00:17or 11% of male academics saying the same things.
- 1:00:20So the risk seems to be higher for female academics, including
- 1:00:24me, because I was very senior for the majority of them who did
- 1:00:28experience negative treatment, investigations, disciplinary
- 1:00:32procedures and so on. 38% of this was due to views on sex and
- 1:00:37gender such as mine, and 27% based on international politics,
- 1:00:42which again, was one of my situations that I talked about
- 1:00:45as well. So we can see here that these
- 1:00:48things are happening. I'm not entirely convinced that
- 1:00:51having that many 77% of people who are identified as left wing
- 1:00:56is not really going to benefit those of us who did not have
- 1:00:59left wing ideas. So I would imagine that these
- 1:01:01scores would be even higher for those of us who are not
- 1:01:04so-called left wing. Brian.
- 1:01:07Diane, thank you very much for that.
- 1:01:09And I've just picked up on, of course, people listening in will
- 1:01:14have only heard the music in the video.
- 1:01:16So we'll say a discussion on what free speech is and why it's
- 1:01:19important in academia and for for students.
- 1:01:22And one of the key things is because you need free speech in
- 1:01:26order to generate new ideas, which that's a pretty powerful
- 1:01:30argument in its own right. So encouraging from you that we
- 1:01:34are starting to see a bit of a backlash out happened but a lot
- 1:01:38more work to be done. But take us somewhere brighter
- 1:01:44to end today's UK column News with Diane.
- 1:01:50Yes, brighter, assuming that we still have the sun in the
- 1:01:53future. And I say that because I I
- 1:01:57watched the live stream that Sonia Poulton provided of the
- 1:02:00geoengineering rally in London on Saturday, which we have been
- 1:02:05advertising and mentioning on the news for the past few weeks.
- 1:02:07And unfortunately, none of us from UK column were able to make
- 1:02:10it to London for the event. But watching the live stream, it
- 1:02:14seemed like there was a pretty high vibration sort of
- 1:02:17atmosphere, kind of similar to what you would experience if you
- 1:02:20came to one of our on location events or like in the freedom
- 1:02:23rallies that we had in 2020 and 2021 when people were protesting
- 1:02:27the lockdowns and the mandates. I heard from a lot of members on
- 1:02:32Saturday and Sunday because I was posting about watching the
- 1:02:36the live stream and from my home here and I got some photos sent
- 1:02:41to me directly that they they gave me their express permission
- 1:02:44to provide on the news. Here's one from Mark wearing his
- 1:02:49UK column T-shirt, which he said got some compliments.
- 1:02:52So that was really good to hear. So I guess we were actually
- 1:02:55represented by some T-shirts and so on, even though none of us
- 1:02:59were able to make it. So that was really good to see
- 1:03:02it. And it was good to see that that
- 1:03:03there's such a good environment for sort of such a discussion of
- 1:03:07what is of course a serious topic to many of our members.
- 1:03:09So, but really good to see that. Joanne, thank you very much.
- 1:03:14Yes, huge thank you to everybody supporting the column.
- 1:03:18We're here because of you. And we do remember that every
- 1:03:21day. We must finish today's news.
- 1:03:24A lot of heavy material today. It needs to be put on the table.
- 1:03:28Don't get distracted with everything happening overseas.
- 1:03:32The biggest danger we believe, is in this country, and it's
- 1:03:36unfolding really quickly. Let's get it exposed.
- 1:03:40Joanne, thank you for joining me.
- 1:03:41Ben, thank you for joining me. Stay with us if you're AUK
- 1:03:44column member. Extra time in a few minutes and
- 1:03:48we will see you then. In the meantime, bye bye UK
- 1:03:52column news. We'll be back on Wednesday at
- 1:03:551:00.