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The IU Report with Grant Shouse & Mike Hutsell (2.188.2) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to the IU report with Grant Shows and my Cutsal every Tuesday of the Central and Minnesota Sports Report.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: My Cutsal, this is a very, very fresh rating as it always seems to be.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're on the bubble, come March 1st.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know if you're making the tournament, you'll use a game to north-western on Tuesday.
• 0:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then you come back on Sunday and a national televised game and suck the entire 40 minutes against Michigan State.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're on the outside looking in with Minnesota and Ohio State coming up and then hopefully a Cinderella run in the conference tournament to get you in the in the NCAA tournament if you're Indiana.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like every single year that this has kind of been the thing, and it's just getting old.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we talked two weeks ago about this team, and where it was, and I think it was 8 and 6 in the conference at that point, and we just talked about how you can't go lose them all, well guess what they've done.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: that've gone out and lost them all.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So four straight, second time this year and Big Ten play, they've gone on a four game skin.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the difference between the two is there's not gonna be time to get it back.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: This time you've backed yourself into a corner that I don't think you can get out of.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So congratulations on not being able to accomplish the most basic, easy thing that an NCAA program should be able to do.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's qualified for the,
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: field of sixty eight.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that freaking difficult and Indiana has made it next to impossible.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So good job.
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hell of a hell of a way to introduce yourself to to the program there.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Darren in the boys.
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, socks to sock, I guess.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like today Michigan's stage is.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just couldn't, I'm, they could miss, but my thing is, is they hit shots whenever they needed to hit shots, because then to you, and I got it down to five.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then next thing, you know, Michigan State was back up 10 because they'd come down and hit a three.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just didn't make many mistakes.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just a more talented team.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The roster's more well constructed.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if Indiana wants to be a Michigan State, there's going to have to be some more well constructed roster here in the next few years, because
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think first year under a new coach, you can get a pass for this, although it is frustrating.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you can get a pass for it, but this cannot just be the thing year in and year out like it has been over the last six years or so.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not what the fans wanted.
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not what the program needs and I'm not sure what the answer is at this point.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: The thing about it is we knew all along this was not going to be the easy win on the schedule.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a really freaking good team.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a two seed in the tournament.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a three one of Tom is those best constructed rosters that he's had in several years.
• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you're right credit to them.
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: They played really, really well up.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: we talked about in the preseason if there's one thing about Michigan state as you can see that team go out and hit two for twenty five from three in a game well guess what they didn't do today.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't miss Kerr Tang.
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like the guy because he reminds me of the Wu Tang clan not gonna lie but six three pointers in today's game.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's at ten threes in the last two games going back to the Purdue game the other night.
• 3:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but then they're big man.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even their big man, Kohler, he hit some timely threes.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: They hit Scott and the corner knocked down a three when it looked like Indiana can make a run.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: This was that game that it seems like every year, Indiana has where they get in a hole, they try to come back, they get to a certain point, and they, the other team just hit the back breaking shot after back breaking shot after back breaking shot, and Indiana just
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight, we're Sunday night, whenever this actually airs, we saw it again, and it was, it's frustrating because Indiana needed this win really, really badly.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's obvious they needed this win, but there's 28 other games that you have on your schedule, where you could have done something differently and not made this an absolute must win
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: and they didn't do it, they didn't get it.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we're looking at this from a different perspective on Tuesday night, they didn't shit the bed against one of the worst teams in the Big Ten and Northwestern.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just a game.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was there, it was horrible.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nine minutes of the second half without a field goal, just absolutely, just look clueless.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to shoot threes.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Guess what it.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The threes don't go down.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: What happens?
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we don't know.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And after Tuesday night, we still don't have to know nobody on this team seems interested at times.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: even remotely trying to put the ball in the floor and attacking the basket, there's only one guy if you like they can do that consistently and he's falling out of the rotation now.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's my puttate and Conorway on a milk carton at this point because, you know, if you see him let us know because devorees, I don't understand what I know Conorway was injured for a while.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: They played a little better with with in-right kind of being the one guy,
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've now lost four in a row and they went away from Conorway.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've gone away from Sicily.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've gone away from guys that played well when they were eight and six in the big tin and and I don't get it.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get what this offense is.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like get it with get it across half court and.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see who can shoot a three first.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It works.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's, you know, Dorn had his hot stretch, but he's turned into a pumpkin again.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no third option and Conorway feels like he could be that guy.
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He could get to attend to 12 points and I by putting the ball on the floor and actually
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: getting to the rim and and they've gone completely away from that second half of the Northwestern game.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was the only person that even remotely tried to score the rim and did.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I this has been it's feels like the boat started taking on water and DeVries had no way of figuring out how to plug the whole and he did some things that the
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a roster that's limited and making the tournament would have been a huge accomplishment with it and they've pissed that away it seems.
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is with this new day and age in college basketball is that with the transfer portal, especially in college basketball.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That next year, you're going to have probably a whole new roster again.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: and some of these guys won't be back and so that's why you hope that next year your roster is better.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when you have a bunch of mid-major guys basically you're kind of a mid-major all-star team in a way.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Packer DeVries won the Missouri Valley player the year back to back years, taking Conorway of the Sunbelt player the year.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Mar Wilkerson was a great player at Sam Houston State.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've taken guys that have been great at the mid major level.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's why they were playing at the mid major level.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You see guys that played the mid major level and then go to a power five and then shine.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Indiana took solid mid major players, good mid major players.
• 8:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now you throw them on a big 10 team and they just don't gel.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's inconsistency.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what has to change.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have to go get a true big.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I like Tama Lexus.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like Reed Bailey.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like Stama Lexus, but they have got to get someone who's more of a back to the basket, a better back to the basket player than what they have in Stama Lexus and Stama Lexus be your four.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They need a true five down there.
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know guards win championships, but if you want a good roster and you want good roster construction, you've got to go find a big dude out there that, you know,
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like a Jackson Colour or even a Carson Cooper for Michigan State.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got to find one of those guys in the portal.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the other thing that really is kind of just as we talked about the boats thinking, there's been times where, and I'm with you, I'm a Samolex.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see that kid get another opportunity to run back.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's two guys on the team.
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see back.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: next year because we're only one season of Sam, only one season of Lamar doesn't quite seem right, but at some point, read Bailey's not, we know he's not a low post guy, but maybe put him out there at the four and run Alexis and Bailey together because we're
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got news for you, things aren't working.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's try maybe a little something different.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to reset.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bayley is a much better guy when he puts the ball on the floor.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: goes towards the bat.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a back to the basket big.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not necessarily a stretched three, but I feel like he could be a guy that could be utilized as more of a midrange for on a screen and roll type thing.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He could play a little like color that you saw tonight.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to be that good, but
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: He could be a guy.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like that's the type of game he would be capable of playing and maybe you don't get it just absolutely abused on the offense of rebounds every game if you've got a little more size on the floor that it happened again tonight there was a possession where Indiana I think was down eight maybe six they got two stops Michigan state got both offensive rebounds Michigan state pops it out hits another three and all of a sudden it's a nine point game again so
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: frustrating it's been the same story we've had this post game show I feel like well literally it doesn't times because they're 17 and 12 now so I think this was this was the ulogy on the season that they're kind of the dead team walking I know they've got two games left they've got a conference tournament to play with the experience and all these guys being gone I just don't anticipate them accepting of any sort of postseason the crown the NIT
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: which would probably be beneficial hell in the prask of one the crown last year and look at what they did with it.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, it's just going to be going through the motions, have your senior day.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: See how quickly Reed Bailey gets in and out for his senior speech.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to set the over under at 93 seconds on that.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's looking forward to it.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Personally, he just doesn't seem like he's having a lot of fun this year and away I feel bad for the kid because he's just got put in a role that he wasn't suited to play.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then you'll finish with Ohio State on Saturday and then see what happens in Chicago.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let me ask you this question, let's say they beat Minnesota and they beat Ohio's day and then they get to Saturday the big ten tournament then what do you do with them?
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're putting us an area together that, hey, I just don't foresee, but right, right, I'm speaking hypothetically.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if that happens, sure, they're probably, you got to know what happens around it to, I think a team like, a team like Auburn has kind of played itself out, but at the same time, a team like St. Mary's who doesn't have any quad-one wins is,
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: but is better overall metrics and quad more quad one and two wins than Indiana has and he only has four wins and quad one and two combined.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's not good enough.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mike, you have to take into consideration that.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: and people don't do this enough, but the Bid Steelers that are going to be out there because they're out there, it's going to happen.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It happens every year.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: The team that you think is going to be in it in, you know, the horizon league or the Mac, and I'm talking to MAAC, not the MAC, like there's always the Bid Steelers out there.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there is, those are the kind of things that I think play into a scenario like this.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and St. Louis who played so well this year, they've kind of started to slow down a little bit.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you could see a VCU who's already a bubble team, but if they come through and they win their, that conference will St. Louis is still going to get a bid and they're just gonna guarantee a second bid out of the mobile.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about Miami of Ohio on the show before.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: If somebody sneaks in and gets them, then, well,
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, I think with the bubble being absolute trash, there's not even really a question as to whether or not Miami or Ohio is going to get it out large.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then a team like to a team who could go on a run, something crazy, like say a misu wins the the SEC attorney or something along those lines.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the other factor is a bubble team can solidify itself.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: as attorney team by going in and just kind of shocking the world and winning its power for power for bid what if Villanova takes the biggest while that's they're guaranteed now they're come they're probably in but
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: regardless, but if they win the Big East, it's automatic at that point.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Indiana, it's just so frustrating.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's every year.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're having this topic over and over and over again, and it's really not even, it's not that freaking hard, man.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tom is those done at 28 times in a row.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Making the tournament is not that difficult and Indiana has made it just the it's like scaling Everest at this point.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it.
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: A program with the resources with the fan base with the just overall.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's so much talent in your backyard to recruit and they don't even do that right anymore so it's crazy.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But here we are we're having the same discussion we could have had it last year.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to go ahead and set the appointment in my Google Cloud to we'll probably have this bubble talk discussion on March 1 of next year.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Mike to transition into something a little more happy and probably cheerful for Indiana fans who, um, despite the struggles and basketball, hopefully no one has forgotten that Indiana football went from the worst program in the history of the sport to national champions in two years went undefeated in case anybody forgot.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they will have more players from Indiana drafted.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: in one NFL draft, then they have in any other draft before or maybe all together ever.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably not true, but in any other draft ever, there'll be more Indian players to get drafted.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: in April of 2026 than any other draft before.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know Fernando didn't throw at the combine this week, but he'll throw it Indiana's pro-day and then saw our guys like DeAngelo Ponds had a really good combine and Omar Cooper and Eli's just a rat or get a lot of interest as expected from NFL teams after this week and Indy.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Omar especially, you know, we talked about him a little bit last week with the rise from
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: not being ranked on day no Jeremiah's board to already move into 19th.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he goes out this week and has a good combat like he said he ran well.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was one thing people were really interested in seeing.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a better 40 than Carnal Tate from Ohio State.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he is almost
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... as you're probably going to see uh... for a wide receiver in this year's draft deangelo everybody knew he was going to come in short he comes in at five seven but he kills every other drill that you could possibly do and he does really well in his interview he's agility drills he
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: shows really well.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He shows a lot of fluidity in his hips and everything.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't get turned around easy on some of these drills.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So good performance for him, probably put himself into the second, definitely third round conversation.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he'll be a day two guy.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Eliza Sarat, I think most people kind of know what he is.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a, you know, a big bully of a receiver, his height, weight, everything came in.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not, they didn't list him bigger than he actually was.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was every bit what they said he was and his films.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Gonna probably match what they expect to get out of a guy like him.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he ran.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's waiting until, um,
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: until Bloomington on April to do his 40 times.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, B.R.S.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tennessee, what comes in there, Aiden Fisher, he interviewed really well from all reports that I've read, Pat Cougan, you know, people were fully expecting him to be, maybe a guy who's a late-round pig, but when he starts talking to teams, moves quickly up draft boards and it sounds like he,
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: He lived up to his billing, so it's really cool as an Indian fan that you know you're gonna be able to watch all these guys play at the next level.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now that's one thing I was talking to my kid in the car, it's gonna be weird not seeing Aiden Fisher play on Saturdays anymore, or Sarat, you know these guys that was bad.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I sat in the way, but these guys went 27 and 2 and 2 seasons.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at Indiana, it's going to be a completely different group, but you're going to have a chance to get their jersey or watch them now play on Sunday, which for your fantasy team.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you got that too.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: For Indiana fans, you know, a lot of times you watch a guy, like a tandem docer, something we watch him and he puts up numbers and plays decently for four years, but he just was never going to be good enough to play in the
• 19:55
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