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aerosol. I'm an aerosol.
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Good evening, everyone, and happy Tuesday.
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Welcome to the Dog Tag Diva podcast.
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I'm your host, Dog Tag Diva. And with me tonight is my fellow
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military broadcast radio host with the Moses Amber Dietz.
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And Amber's podcast is called Into the Weeds.
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And tonight, we are going to be talking about a really
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interesting case that is still in the public mainstream of
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discussion, if you will. We're going to be talking about
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Gypsy Rose Blanchard this evening and her case and some
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inside scoop that you may not be aware of and kind of things that
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are surrounding this really interesting case from multiple
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perspectives. Welcome, Amber.
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Thank you for having me. Thank you very much for coming
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on. I'm always open to new and
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interesting things and being objective and hearing all sides
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of the story so that people can form their own opinions.
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But, you know, this case came to light about 10 years ago, and
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then it kind of came back into the mainstream as she was doing
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interviews from prison and then getting out of prison.
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And now she's out of prison and she's had a, you know, a very
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tumultuous, if you will, to put it lightly, time since she's got
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out of prison. But there's a lot of undertones
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of this story that I'm really interested in talking about with
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you tonight. OK, well, I'm here.
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Ask away. I don't know what you know about
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the case, so why don't we start with that?
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What do you know about it? Well, so I can remember this
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story in the news, probably it's, I think it's 10 years ago
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now, about 2015, this case came out and you know that the mom,
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Dede Blanchard had been murdered by her daughter and the
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boyfriend. And that Gypsy, the daughter had
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spent years thinking that she was quite ill and had all these
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medical issues from seizures and cancer and etcetera.
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There was a long list of medical issues that she had and they
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started out in Louisiana, if I'm remembering correctly.
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And then mom and dad got divorced and Dee Dee took Gypsy
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to Missouri. And there was, you know,
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donations involved and who gave her the house was a Habitat for
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Humanity that gave her the house.
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Yeah. So there was a house and
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wheelchair bound and surgeries and all kinds of things that
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come along with, you know, have having a child with, you know,
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multiple chronic illnesses and, you know, trips and clothes and
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toys and, you know, things that, you know, when you pull at
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someone's heartstrings, people want to to help.
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And one of the things that came out at the end of this upon the
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murder of Dee Dee Blanchard was that Dee Dee had actually lied
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about all the ailments that Gypsy had and she wasn't ill.
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And so, yeah, So it's and then, you know, kind of came out that,
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you know, the Gypsy was involved with the murder of her mom, with
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the boyfriend that she had met online.
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And Gypsy wound up going to prison herself for the murder.
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In addition to the then boyfriend who also went to
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prison. He is serving a life sentence.
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And she served. She was sentenced to 10, but I
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don't believe she did the full 10.
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No 8 1/2. OK.
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And then she was released from prison in December of 2023.
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While she was in prison, she got married and got, you know,
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released in prison. Husband picks her up.
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And then they have this tumultuous, you know,
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continuation of their marriage outside of prison.
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And then she reconnects with an old boyfriend that she had dated
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while she was in prison. Or which I don't know how you
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could consider somebody your boyfriend when you're in prison
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and you you date, but you don't really date like that.
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I think we could do a whole another show on women who date
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men in prison. Pen pal romances in prison.
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Like the Menendez brothers are married.
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Like, wait, I know I show for another time.
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But yeah, she gets married in prison to this one individual
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and she reconnects with an old boyfriend.
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She leaves the husband, there's this divorce and then there's
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then she's pregnant with the new boyfriend.
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And but there's some weird law in Louisiana that whatever your
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name is at that time, even if you're divorced, the baby's
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still going to have that name. So it's a whole thing.
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Yes. OK.
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Well, that was a great rundown. So first of all, I would say, so
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today is actually Nicholas go to John her Co defendant's
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birthday, his 36th birthday. And I would like everybody to
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remember that Nicholas is on the spectrum and has autism.
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And for 2 1/2 years, he was manipulated and he tried very
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hard to get her not to go along with this plan.
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And there's a lot of evidence out there showing that he tried
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to get her to change her mind several times.
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But also, Gypsy is sick. She has a chromosome deletion
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disorder or something like that, and it affects a lot of your
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body. It has given her microcephaly,
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which is like a small head. Yes.
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And all kinds of things come along with this medical
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disorder. And you're a nurse, so do you
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know anything about that? Not her particular medical, like
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her chromosomal deletion, but I can say with some semblance of
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certainty that, you know, when we start, when chromosomes get,
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you know, messed up for whatever reason, either because we're
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exposed to something or because we're born with it and it's, you
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know, a birth defect. It depends on which chromosome
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is has the issue. And then there may or may not be
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small or big IT medical issues that will come along with that
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deletion. And there are so many syndromes
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out there. I mean, I've been a pediatric
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nurse, you know, most of my 20th year career as a nurse.
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And there are some syndromes out there that they don't even have
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a name for because there's so few people that have it.
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So, you know, is microcephaly one of those things that can
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impact, you know, that small head?
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Yes. And what happens when we have a
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small head? Will that kind of restricts our
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brain's ability to grow to its normal potential and capacity?
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Yeah, so she has a wide range of symptoms.
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Her eyes are messed up, her digestive system is messed up,
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and so she is sick. She has been sick her whole
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life. She was born with it.
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So up until 2011, she went through multiple doctors and
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procedures to try and figure out what was wrong with her.
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And you as a nurse would know. And me as somebody who has been
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very ill my whole life, sometimes it takes a really long
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time to get into diagnosis and you have to go through all kinds
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of medical tests and all kinds of different things in order to
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diagnose, diagnose the patient. And so that's basically what was
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happening is that she was going through all of those medical
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tests to try and figure out what was wrong.
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And it wasn't until 2011 that they figured out what was wrong.
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And by 2011 they had pretty much quit going to the doctor as
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much. So by the time they, yeah, by
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2011, they're kind of backed off from going to the doctor.
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She's got a feeding tube and she only goes to like the emergency
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room to actually get it changed. And she doesn't like every six
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months or something like that. So there's, there's medical
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evidence showing that they, they backed way off from going to the
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doctor by 2011. So.
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Yeah, really interesting. I mean, I just from like my
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nurse brain has so many questions, you know, and I've
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been a nurse a long time. I've been a pediatric nurse a
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long time. I have been around child abusers
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a long time. I have been around, I believe, 2
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moms who were Munchausen by proxy and they are a little, you
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know, they're very good at you. And initially you'll think, wow,
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they're really on top of their game.
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They're very medically savvy and they're advocating.
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And then there's this other side, really OK, They like how
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much is too much and how, how involved is too involved, you
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know, and again, I as a pediatric nurse has been around
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chronically I'll children, it's a variety of syndromes and have
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had tracheostomies and been on ventilators and had many
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multiple, you know, medical problems.
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There's there's a, you know, you, I would be able to tell.
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Well, I, I would like to think I'd be able to tell with the
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little minimal exposure that I've had, you know, patients
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with parents like this, you know, there's a line between,
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you know, OK, they know a lot and they're savvy and OK, now
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they know too much and it's getting a little weird, you
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know, and over time my nursing Spidey sense has kind of
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developed and sometimes I could just even tell a parent is off
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just because like my instinct is like something is not right
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here. But if, you know, she had AG
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tube and if she was getting fed through the tube, you know, why
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didn't she have home care? And maybe they declined that
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which which happens. We've had families that have
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like, no, we don't need it. We can handle it.
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This is super simple, you know, if you're, you know, hopping
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around from doctor to doctor, hospital to hospital, it does
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make it hard to track some of these things and it makes it
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hard to pick up on any kind of abuse and neglect situations.
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You know, 1000 by proxy in and of itself is, you know, it's so
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like the, the, like the percentage, like the incidence
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of that. It's really small.
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Actually, I wrote it down and there's actually so few cases
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here in the United States, like they can't even quantify it.
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They actually have to go use statistics from like Ireland and
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the United Kingdom and things like that nature.
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So it's really like .5 to 2.8 cases per 100,000 children.
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Correct and there. Actually was a physician here in
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Florida who estimate found 15 cases in the state of Florida in
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one year. And then so nationally that in
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his mind or her mind, I can't remember, it equates to 262
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cases in a year in the United States.
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So that was just one, you know, scientific researcher looking at
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one state and then kind of extrapolating well based on this
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incidence in the population and the ratio.
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This is kind of what we might see here in the United States.
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But the incidence isn't like it's not a lot.
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So it in, in a sense it would be hard to pick up on, you know,
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should you know, especially in this and you know, in this
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situation. Yeah, but in Munchausen by proxy
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cases, isn't it correct that the child is usually made sick?
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They yeah, so they are, you know, and again, there's going
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to be I'm, you know, as medicine, I always tell people
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there's always going to be like a one off from like we could say
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medically, statistically speaking, this is what we see.
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But I always make room for like, but there's always room for, you
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know, it it's a rare incidents or a rare case.
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So, you know, typically they make them sick when they're not
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sick. But do I think they're you know,
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it's possible that she was sick and she made her sicker.
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I that I believe. OK.
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Yeah. So from everything I have seen
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and OK, so as I was telling you earlier, most of Gypsy's medical
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records, especially her time here in Missouri have been
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released and pretty much everybody has a copy of them
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that wants them. And I can get you a copy of them
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if you want them. But what what is shown in the
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medical records is, is it's more of a malingering more than a, a
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Munchausen by proxy situation because Gypsy's not being made
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sick. And if you, if you really look
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at all of the documents between the medical documents and the
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court documents, you'll see that a lot of what has been put out
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there in the media by Gypsy and her team is all false.
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And so you can't really even go by any of the documentaries or
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the show or even Gypsy's book, because she has even stated that
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there are many inaccuracies in the book.
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And so it's really hard, even with Gypsy herself, to
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distinguish what's true and what's not.
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And I believe that in that case, she definitely suffered from
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abuse by her mom in teaching her how to be like that.
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You know, the lying, the manipulating, because
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ultimately, at the end of the day, it was, I believe, in my
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opinion, I believe Gypsy's mother had a sick child, was a
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single mother. And it got on that train of
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getting in with all of the foundations and charities and
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stuff like that and kind of rolled with it, in my opinion,
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and took advantage of the system and taught her daughter how to
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take advantage of the system. And from early on, Gypsy was on
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stage singing. She was an ambassador for
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foundations, you know, as a, as a role model for children, even
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when she was in her 20s. And these people didn't know
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that, you know, sitting in a wheelchair pretending to be a
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child that has mental deficiencies.
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And yeah, it, it, yeah. It was just one long con in my
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opinion. Yeah, no, I, I kind of, I feel,
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feel you along along those lines.
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And you know, typically, you know, they hit a certain age and
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you can't do it anymore because they they can figure it out,
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right. So typically we see this in
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Munchausen and I proxy like in little ones because they don't
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know any different or better. And you would think that as they
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age, they kind of figure it out. So how much did her Gypsies
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chromosomal deletion and the microcephaly, like how much did
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that play into that? We're going to talk more about
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the Gypsy Row Blanchard case when we come back right after
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this break. OK.
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And we're back and before the break, we were talking about how
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things unfolded in the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case and Amber
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and I were talking about how it was kind of 1 long con.
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And I, I definitely don't disagree with that, you know,
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and we know that, you know, sometimes you get kind of caught
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up in that, you know, the, the support and the, the people and
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how it kind of makes you feel, you know, and being in the
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limelight. And sometimes people just can't
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handle being out of it and they want to stay into it.
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And, you know, like you said, you know, we, we kind of
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snowball into manipulation and things and then it, you know,
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before you know it, it's out of control.
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I mean, we know that, you know, when baby Jessica fell into the
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well back in the 80s, those of us who were around remember that
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the gentleman who actually pulled her out of the well
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actually committed suicide because he, you know, after all
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the news vans and all the media attention went away.
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Like he just couldn't live without that spotlight and he
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actually committed suicide. So I don't.
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Yeah, I don't disagree that, you know, she kind of got caught up
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in all of that and kind of was like, OK, well, what do I need
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to do to keep this up? Because, you know, I kind of
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like all this attention and all the things that I'm that I'm
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getting. And the byproduct of that is
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that Gypsy kind of got caught up in it, you know, and I
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appreciate you bringing up the fact that, you know, Nicholas
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Godejean is on the on the spectrum as well, you know, so
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people are going to ask, you know, and one of the things that
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I've thought about is why did she, you know, kill her?
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You know, why didn't she just try to get out?
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You know, in my mind, as somebody who's the survivor of
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domestic violence, you don't know how to get out and you're
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just so afraid. Was that just kind of just she
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that was the only way she thought to get out?
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And I'm not condoning it in any way, shape or form, but I
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almost, you know, it's almost a shame that that was that's what
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she felt. That was her only way to get
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away. Because I would have loved to
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have heard Dee Dee side of the story and in how this whole
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situation kind of unfolded. Yeah.
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So I would say that in my opinion, after looking at all of
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the evidence and all of the court evidence, and I'll
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actually post it in here, a link to the court documents.
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There's a link in there to the Google Drive that anybody can
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access and go through all of the court documents that have been
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released so far. And we've got more coming out
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pretty soon. I actually just got an e-mail
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today from Greene County and they told me that it looks like
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my files are going to be coming in sooner than I thought.
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Oh, that's exciting. Yeah.
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So there's going to be a huge document dump.
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And I am assuming that it's never been seen before because I
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when I requested all of this information, I thought all of
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this information was out, but it turned out it wasn't.
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So. So I was just kind of asking for
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it to kind of preserve it for historical purposes because I
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like history. And so it was more about that
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for me. But what I'll say is, is that I
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believe from everything I have seen, Gypsy Gypsy's mother, Dee
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Dee was extremely sick. She had diabetes, she had gout,
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she had Parkinson's. If we're to believe what Gypsy
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says, she was extremely heavy and you could tell the the last
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video that was released, she was extremely tired and she used
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that wheelchair, in my opinion, more as a Walker than as a prop,
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ended up being more like a Walker for her.
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So she was already, she was extremely sick.
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And in my opinion, if Gypsy wanted to do something that was
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painless, like she has said, you know, that she loved her mother
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and she wanted to do something that was painless, You know, she
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could have overdosed her on insulin or something like that
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instead of having her boyfriend stabbed her 17 times.
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And then also, there's ample evidence to show that Gypsy was
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online chronically just like she is now back then, and had
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communication with her dad and her stepmother and had
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communication with a lot of people and didn't ask for help
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except for Nicholas. Go to John, the guy who had
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autism who was easily manipulated.
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And so I believe that Gypsy wanted to leave, and I'm not
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sure what her motivation was other than to just get away and
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live her own life. But if you look at all of the
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court documents, the life that she describes living with
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Nicholas is very twisted and evil.
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And it's not even coming from Nicholas.
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It's coming from all from Gypsy. And she says some really
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terrible, vile things in these videos that the police had to
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watch and these posts and all of this communication back and
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forth. I mean, extremely vile things
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and, and it wasn't coming from Nicholas, it was all coming from
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her. So I don't, I don't know what
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was going on in the woman's head, but she was a woman.
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She wasn't a girl. She was 23 years old and.
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Yeah, You got to wonder, you know, what her life was like up
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to that point. You know, and I'm, and I'm not
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judging. I'm, you know, I'm really truly
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trying to be objective and think, you know, if I was
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somebody who kind of found out or realized at one point that
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maybe I'm not really as sick as I'm being made to believe.
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But she wasn't really exposed to, from the, at least from the
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outside, exposed to a lot of normalcy in terms of like just
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getting up, going to school, like she was with her mom all
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the time. So that relationship was clearly
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a little dysfunctional. So if she doesn't really have
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any semblance of what a normal relationship is and then she's
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seeing she's, you know, basically exposed to, you know,
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like this the like the Disney and all that kind of stuff and
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the comic cons and things. But then she's online and she's
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seeing things. So I'm sure her in her mind, her
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reality is very different than what all of us experiences.
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We just going about our day-to-day lives.
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Again, I'm not excusing her behavior.
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And I don't think it was right in any way, shape or form.
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You know, I just kind of wonder, you know, from a psychological
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standpoint, I find this case fascinating because we never got
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to hear from Deedee, who clearly had some issues of her own
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physically and psychologically. And then she has this child
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who's got, you know, a chronic medical issue that kind of gets
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compounded. And then, you know, like, so how
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much does, you know, the chromosomal deletion and the
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microcephaly and everything else medically wrong with her?
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How does that all play into this?
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And, you know, she never has saw, you know, doesn't really
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remember her parents much. And so, like, she doesn't have
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examples of healthy relationships.
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So she was almost kind of set up to fail in a sense.
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So, you know, am I surprised that this is kind of what she
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kind of turned into? Not necessarily because we've
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seen people exposed to less and be worse.
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And, you know, like, you know, and there's a a documentary on
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Charles Manson. I can't even watch it.
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Like, I've gotten through like a couple episodes and I'm like,
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OK, I'm having nightmares. I have to stop.
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Yeah, the chaos one. I'm I'm.
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Stop watching it. It was freaking me out.
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I had to stop, but you know, so we know that if you don't come
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from, you know, and but do I know of people who came from,
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you know, horrible child abuse situations and are completely
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fine and and functional? Absolutely.
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So, you know, it's out there. Like the possibility of of
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normalcy is out there. But you know, do I think she
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should have gone to prison? Absolutely.
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Do I think, you know, again, I wasn't in the courtroom and
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didn't hear all the evidence. So I don't want to pass
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judgement and say that the punishment was, you know, too
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harsh or too little. Because again, if I'm not in the
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courtroom and hearing all the evidence, I find it hard to kind
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of really have a strong opinion in One Direction or the.
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Other well, she didn't go to trial.
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She got a a plea deal. He went to trial.
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What I will say is as I encourage anybody who actually
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has questions like that about this whole case to go to that
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Google Drive, look at the pictures, read the court
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documents, read the police reports and judge for yourself.
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Don't, don't take the documentaries, don't take her
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book, don't take any of that into account.
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Just read, just read the court documents and you will be
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shocked. You will be absolutely shocked.
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And so much to the point that in one of the videos that the one
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of the detectives watches, Gypsy talks about, I think it's either
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a video or it's a, a text message something.
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She talks to Nicholas about how at the age of 6, she had a
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surgery and she had a major seizure during that surgery and
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she became like a a paraplegic. And according to her, she
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pretended not to have feeling and things like that, even to
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her mom. She was pretending even to her
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mom, like she was playing up the symptoms and and all of that
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stuff. So even in the court documents,
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she talks about how at the age of 6, she made a conscious
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decision to lie to her mother and everybody else because she
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was afraid that her mother wouldn't love her and the other
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people wouldn't love her. And so it's just interesting.
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I mean, that's just one, one of the things that came out, you
31:58
know, is like, OK, do we believe, Gypsy, that that's what
32:01
she did, you know, because it came from her own words or, you
32:07
know, whatever. So this case is just extremely
32:10
fascinating when you dig into it.
32:12
Yeah, I mean, clearly they were codependent on each other and
32:17
you know, so that's in and of itself.
32:20
You know, again, I wish she would have just walked away.
32:24
I mean, she was an adult. She could have just walked away
32:28
'cause I, you know, I think I would definitely would have
32:30
liked to have heard Dee Dee side, you know, the good, the
32:34
bad and the ugly. And then, you know, they could
32:38
have either said, Hey, we're we can never be around each other
32:41
again, or they could have worked it out.
32:43
You know, I do, you know, I, I'm will full on admit that I do
32:47
watch, you know, their life out of prison.
32:49
I watched, you know, the, the TV shows Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
32:52
And do I agree with all the horrible, nasty things that
32:57
people are saying about her on social media?
33:00
Absolutely not 'cause I don't think that's right or fair to
33:02
trash her. When, when again, we don't know
33:05
the whole story, especially if you haven't seen all the
33:07
information that's out there and, you know, made it, you
33:10
know, an educated decision. So I do think it's horrible some
33:13
of the things that people are saying I do.
33:18
On that note, so I have a rebuttal to that because
33:23
unfortunately I have become immersed in the Gypsy verse
33:29
basically of what it is, and I don't pay near as much attention
33:35
as most other people do. But there's a lot of really bad
33:41
toxic stuff going on in the Gypsy verse.
33:47
And what I mean by that is, is that there's like a whole
33:50
discord. The Gypsy and her best friend
33:54
are involved in that run and they dox creators and they dox
33:59
subscribers. Literally, they're doxing
34:03
people. Is that the friend that's been
34:05
that's been on the dock, the show at the?
34:08
Bree. Bree.
34:09
Yeah, that's her name. Yep.
34:11
Yeah, I'm, I saw that one episode.
34:13
I'm like, if you were really her friend, why are you enabling
34:18
her? Oh, it's, it's really bad.
34:21
The woman will be on a live for 16 hours straight defending
34:26
Gypsy constantly. And then she's got all of these
34:30
side characters. There's this old woman named
34:34
Dreamer Craft Corner that is absolutely ridiculous.
34:38
She's a racist, she's a bigot, she's just an absolutely
34:43
horrible human being. And there's just all of these
34:47
side characters that are involved with Gypsy in this
34:51
Discord and on TikTok that are actually making people's lives
34:56
miserable. They've got pictures of people's
34:58
homes, they've got the names of people's kids, all kinds of
35:03
stuff. It's really bad and I am
35:11
extremely disappointed in the fact that.
35:15
So when I heard about Gypsy and I heard that she was in prison
35:19
with my cousin, my cousin and I initially started praying for
35:23
her. That's how we initially, that's
35:27
how I started, went into. The situation, yeah.
35:29
Yes, I started praying for her. We were concerned about, you
35:33
know, was she being taken care of?
35:35
You know, was she being abused again, you know, because people
35:40
will go into the system and repeatedly get abused.
35:44
And so we were extremely concerned about that.
35:47
So my cousin started asking questions, you know, and we
35:51
didn't really get much before she went out, before she got out
35:55
of prison. But like 2 days before she got
35:58
out of prison, she said that she wanted to go see Taylor Swift.
36:03
And it wasn't a oh, I want to go see Taylor Swift.
36:08
No, it was I want to go meet Taylor Swift.
36:12
And in my mind that was just repeating the same thing over
36:17
and over. You know, she was, she was
36:20
meeting the cast of Harry Potter, she was meeting Miranda
36:23
Lambert and all of these famous people and she was up on stage
36:27
singing. And now she just wants to
36:33
continue that, but on a larger scale.
36:37
Yeah, I, I find it, you know, this whole, like you said, this
36:40
whole thing is fascinating. And you know, if it were me, and
36:45
again, I'm kind of an A well adjusted, well, well, totally
36:49
well adjusted adult that you know, you didn't, you know, you
36:54
married this guy when you were in prison.
36:56
You got out, you moving together, you it's not what you
36:58
thought it was going to be. Well, well, no shit.
37:00
Like you married him in prison and you live in another and
37:03
you've never lived with a man. So of course there's going to be
37:05
bumps in the road and you changed your mind.
37:06
OK, fine. But then the back and forth the
37:09
two of them have and then she has the baby.
37:12
Like, can you drive 3 1/2 hours to the hospital to sign this
37:16
consent form? And like what first of all,
37:18
block him let your loyals lawyers deal with the shit and
37:22
be done with it. Like I just the, you know, like
37:26
you said, like she wants to be have like 1 toe in the pools for
37:31
the, the pool of drama. Like she's, she never wants to
37:35
like get herself out of it completely.
37:37
And like the father and the stepmother like just don't
37:41
engage and she does it anyway. The father says, Hey, Ken's back
37:46
in your life, just use protection and she gets knocked
37:48
up right away. It's like, Oh my God, like give
37:51
yourself a chance to just be out and be single and like you, you
37:58
know, you have like a life of neglect and abuse and trauma and
38:03
then you go to prison. Like you're coming out like you
38:05
should be hide. Like not that you should be
38:07
hiding, but just live your life. Do like I want to like who's her
38:12
therapist? Oh my God, I just want to ask
38:14
like what did they, he or she doing?
38:16
Well, and that's the thing. When she was in prison, she
38:19
swears up and down that she couldn't get therapy because she
38:23
was too healthy for therapy. But my cousin's in there.
38:28
She's in a whole wing where it's called women's empowerment, you
38:33
know, and they focus on codependency and they focus on,
38:38
you know, being a better person. And Gypsy only took the one
38:43
class that she was supposed to take, the victim's impact class.
38:48
And she basically spent her time causing chaos and watching TV
38:55
while she was in prison, not bettering herself, you know, And
38:59
she was setting up her life to come out and be an influencer.
39:04
You know, there was no. Gypsy has never taken the time
39:13
to figure out who Gypsy is and work on all of her issues.
39:20
It's always about codependency. And just like with this baby, I
39:24
mean, she was, she was stealing baby clothes and, and naming
39:30
babies when she was with Nicholas, you know, and planning
39:34
on getting pregnant. That was her plan a was to get
39:38
pregnant by Nicholas. And that's how she would escape
39:41
her mother. And then when she was with Ryan,
39:45
she was trying to get pregnant and she was buying baby clothes,
39:48
you know, and then as soon as she gets with her, with Ken, she
39:52
gets pregnant, you know, 'cause they said, you know, they were
39:55
with each other 12 times in four days, you know, so.
40:01
I mean, and the sister, bless her, it like, you know, who's
40:04
just graduated, became a nurse, like she initially thinks she's
40:08
pregnant with Ryan and the sister takes her to the drug
40:10
store to get Plan B like you. So you knew where you could have
40:15
gone, you could have bought condoms, you could have gone on
40:18
birth control. Like that would have made the
40:20
most sense, right? Like just I'm going to go on
40:22
birth control because I'm going to be having sex and I need to
40:25
focus on me and learning who I am without my mother, without
40:30
the abuse and trauma, not in prison.
40:33
Like figure out who you are and heal and then do you could still
40:39
live your life and get the tattoos and dye your hair, but
40:43
figure out who you are and stand on your own 2 feet.
40:46
And it it does seem, you know, she's got a bit of her mother in
40:50
her because, you know, as we kind of alluded to, like the mom
40:53
got caught up in all the attention and the foundations
40:57
and the stuff. And then now it seems like she
40:59
Gypsy is just kind of wanting to keep continue that.
41:03
Because if it were me, I want to step back in the limelight and
41:07
get out of the way. And, you know, even, you know,
41:10
she had that book signing and they had to have security all
41:12
over the place because people were threatening her and things.
41:15
And you know they were. Threatening her.
41:17
So I even watched. OK, so at that book signing, OK,
41:27
Sir Morbidex is a YouTube and I follow him and he's funny.
41:33
He's more of like a Howard Stern kind of shock jock type guy.
41:37
He's, he's really funny, you know, and so he set up that,
41:42
that whole protest basically, and what it was, was just a
41:47
couple of people outside. One woman went inside and, and
41:52
bought a ticket and she wanted to actually, you know, get in
41:56
line and talk to Gypsy or whatever.
41:58
That was just one woman. But the rest of them, they're
42:02
only like 3 or 4 of them that were actually outside.
42:05
And they just had signs saying Justice for DD.
42:08
And it was a live stream. The whole thing was live stream.
42:11
So if anybody wants to go check it out, it's on Sir Morbinex.
42:17
And that was just, it was it was made to be something bigger than
42:20
it was. And even that YouTube that drove
42:23
past her house. Yeah.
42:24
Well, Gypsy wasn't home when that actually happened and she
42:30
wasn't calling out Gypsy. She was calling out Gypsy
42:33
Stepmother. So they they twist the whole,
42:40
they twist everything. You know, that's just how it's
42:43
expected to be, but you know it. She brings most of all of this
42:50
stuff on herself. If she would just have gotten
42:54
out of prison, gone and lived her life quietly, worked on
42:58
herself, people would have given her the benefit of the doubt.
43:04
But because she has come out and tried to literally destroy lives
43:11
online, you know, I, I can't stand behind her.
43:17
I can't, I can't give her the benefit of the doubt anymore.
43:21
And it's unfortunate, but I can't.
43:25
Yeah. I mean, it's I do think that,
43:28
you know, the back and forth between her and Ryan I thought
43:32
was way too much like and, and that's on him too.
43:35
I mean, the, the two of them again have this codependent
43:38
relationship and he's like, oh, I still miss her and I still
43:41
love her. I'm like, dude, get a grip like
43:44
a grown ass man, get a grip. Go to work.
43:47
It will be OK like. But she's sending him pictures
43:51
of her and her baby, and she was swearing online this whole time
43:57
that he wasn't doing it, or I mean, that she wasn't doing it
44:01
and that he was reaching out to her.
44:04
But then all of this evidence comes out that she was actually
44:07
reaching out to him and sending him pictures of her and her
44:10
baby. I mean, that's so messed.
44:12
Up. I know it's.
44:14
And. A lot of twisted things going
44:16
on. I'm like, Oh my God, that baby.
44:20
And the timeline, OK, so usually when you're pregnant, you get
44:26
your first sonogram around your 4th month usually, because
44:30
that's when you can start telling, you know, if it's a boy
44:33
or a girl. And I don't know how it is
44:37
nowadays, but at least when I had my kids 20 years ago, that's
44:41
how it was, you know? So by June 5th, Gypsy had
44:48
already sent a picture of the sonogram to the prison and I
44:55
found out that she was pregnant. But in her book she says that
45:00
she found out she was pregnant on June 10th, which is her the
45:07
day that her mother died. Well, actually her mother died
45:09
June 9th, but she says June 10th.
45:13
And so if she found out on June 10th, but I found out on June
45:20
5th that she had already had a sonogram, did she find out she
45:25
was pregnant with a sonogram? Because that's just weird.
45:31
So I'm thinking about the timeline, you know what I mean?
45:34
Yeah. I mean, I will tell you now that
45:37
nowadays you can have, you know, an ultrasound, you know,
45:41
earlier, especially if you miss a period, you know, maybe you're
45:44
having some spotting, maybe there's some concerns.
45:48
So they can do them earlier. But that's just to give you a
45:51
guesstimate of how far along you are.
45:52
And they're, you know, you know, are you, do we see a sack?
45:55
Do we see things progressing? You know, do they do anatomy
45:58
scan about 16 to 20 weeks based on, you know, your pregnancy,
46:02
are you high risk or not? But yeah, I mean, that timeline
46:08
was, you know, I always, you know, as a medical person, I,
46:13
that's the thing that I always go to is the timeline.
46:17
You know, I do kind of feel as though she and Ken should have
46:21
known better and should have used protection.
46:23
Like it just came out of prison. You're just reconnecting.
46:27
Get just buy some frigging condoms at the, you know, at the
46:31
local, you know, drugstore and like protect yourself like
46:35
you've been out of prison not even a year.
46:38
Like this was not the time for that to happen.
46:40
Things will come in time, but just give again, give yourself
46:44
that chance for healing and to live your life and figure you
46:47
out and not throw more drama into it.
46:50
And you wouldn't have this Ryan last name drama with the baby.
46:58
It's like watch that episode of Teen Mom.
46:59
Like dear God. Yeah, no, it it's gotten.
47:05
So the first season was extremely boring and I
47:08
completely checked out of it. And then the second season has
47:12
gotten better, but it's only because they're actually
47:16
starting to expose her manipulation more.
47:20
And so it's like, oh, OK, I can, I can see where you're going
47:23
with that. But unfortunately they didn't do
47:25
enough. So you know it is what it is.
47:30
Father and stepmother are well-intentioned individuals.
47:36
I just want to ask why does he always have his headphones on?
47:39
Like why can't you take them off for a couple of minutes?
47:43
So the stepmom is not well-intentioned.
47:47
She is just as active online, participating in the gossip and
47:53
the toxicity online. The dad, he's just kind of go
47:59
with the flow out on the boat, you know, kind of mentality.
48:05
So yeah, unfortunately the stepmother is immersed in all
48:09
the drama as well. Super interesting case.
48:17
It is. So what it Where do you want to
48:20
see things go, or where do you think they should?
48:24
What direction do you think they should be heading?
48:28
So I mean, ideally she's not going to go back to prison
48:39
unless she messes up within the next few days.
48:43
I mean, because she gets off of parole I think June 15th or
48:46
something like that. So ideally, what I would like to
48:53
see is, is I would like to see her go off and live her life and
49:00
be productive offline, find, get involved in her community and,
49:09
you know, make a life for that baby that is out of the
49:16
spotlight. I mean, she swore that she would
49:18
never put her baby online, but the baby's online chronically
49:22
now. So it's like, what the heck?
49:26
You're just, you're doing exactly what you accused your
49:30
mother of doing, exploiting you. Yeah, I don't follow her on
49:35
social media so but I I would have to agree.
49:37
Like, I wish that she would just kind of just take a step back
49:41
out of social media, get you, you know, get offline, tell, you
49:44
know, Bree and you know, anybody else.
49:48
And same thing with Ryan. Like he should back off too and
49:51
stay away. Like just stay everybody, go to
49:54
your corners and live your quiet lives and just take care of that
49:58
baby 'cause like that's my big concern.
50:01
You know, especially as a a pediatric nurse who's seen a lot
50:04
of child abuse and neglect and I've seen a lot of kids die and
50:07
parents do horrible, horrible things to their children.
50:09
And I would like Gypsy to take care of herself and find herself
50:14
so that she can be the best mom that she can be for for Aurora
50:20
and, you know, so that Aurora doesn't, you know, suffer and
50:24
get caught in in the crossfire. You know, and can, you know, I
50:30
something's not right. Like I can't put my finger on
50:34
it, but I just, well, my friend is tingling with him.
50:39
I'm like, I don't know what's going on here.
50:41
Like I don't think he's like bad, but I don't think he's
50:44
good. Like there's something off.
50:46
Well, first he wrote a prisoner and then fell in love with her.
50:51
And not just any ordinary prisoner, but a prisoner who
50:54
murdered her mother and manipulated somebody into doing
50:59
it. And she looked like she was, you
51:03
know, 14 years old and a shaved head and all that stuff.
51:08
So it's kind of weird, you know, that him and Ryan would write
51:13
her. So yes, he is definitely weird
51:16
on that front. I believe that Ken is the only
51:20
person who's not afraid of her in her life, honestly, 'cause
51:27
he's the only one that stands up to her.
51:30
But I don't think that they love each other.
51:34
I don't think they even like each other half the time.
51:38
That's just apparent from the show, the way they interact.
51:42
It's just not ideal at all. Yeah.
51:46
And I can't. Like I don't want to say he's on
51:49
the spectrum, but he's close to it in my opinion.
51:55
Oh, you're the they people just started asking that question
51:59
recently. Is he?
52:02
Like I, I'm like he's, but he's, he's got a job.
52:05
Like he's very obviously he's got a decent car.
52:08
He drives like he seems like you said, like he seems like he's
52:12
kind of together, like he's not a hot mess.
52:14
Yeah, he's a foodie. He even attempted a beef
52:17
Wellington, which is. He's what?
52:24
But again, I'm like, I can't. And then you have Ryan, bless
52:29
his little soul, who's just falling apart from this, and
52:33
another one who's just, he probably, you know, the
52:35
codependency is just the whole thing.
52:40
You know you want. To do a psychological study and
52:42
codependency, just look at Ryan and Gypsy.
52:47
Yes, yes, exactly. And I mean, it's it's textbook
52:50
totally. And with Ken, though, I think he
52:55
I think he has some anger issues because in the last episode or
53:01
the episode before that, he was even yelling at his mom, you
53:05
know, and it's like you're going to yell at your mom on national
53:08
TV. That's kind of weird, you know,
53:11
So, And he wasn't even like, he was just saying, you know, I
53:16
don't care about these people, you know, and they're going to
53:19
make up everything. But, you know, the way he was
53:22
speaking to his mom was not OK. So when when you're comfortable
53:29
speaking to your mom like that on camera, what are you doing
53:34
when the cameras are off? Right.
53:37
So do you think as someone who's watched the documentary and
53:44
you've watched the TV show and you've also got inside
53:47
information as as someone who is from that area and has seen, you
53:52
know, additional documents that a lot of people probably haven't
53:54
seen? Like what do you how accurate is
53:58
the portrayal of her on the TV show versus what you think is
54:03
her true personality? So I think you kind of really do
54:11
see her true personality shine through because she if you
54:17
listen to the things she says and watch the things she does,
54:23
you know her, her true personality does shine through.
54:26
But as far as like the overall media portrayal of Gypsy, it is
54:33
absolutely inaccurate. It it is so far inaccurate.
54:38
It's it's sad and it's kind, you know, especially the fact that
54:44
there is an autistic man in prison for life without parole.
54:51
You know, he deserves to be there, you know, But at the same
54:56
time, like you brought up Manson earlier, Manson manipulated
55:04
people into murdering people. That's essentially what Gypsy
55:10
did. She manipulated A vulnerable
55:15
person to commit murder, and Manson manipulated vulnerable
55:22
people to commit murder. Yeah, I, you know, I do have to
55:35
wonder and think about, you know, some of the things that,
55:39
you know, as I was, you know, as I'm watching the show and I'm
55:41
going, I don't know if I would have done that.
55:44
Like just you're out of prison, you know, there's a lot of
55:49
negativity about you in the press and on social media.
55:55
And is this how we should be handling this?
55:58
Like, I question, you know, a lot of the things that she does
56:02
and some of those things being the breeze response and
56:06
reactions to things. And I'm defending.
56:07
And listen, I get it. Like I have a couple besties
56:10
that I would probably die for, but I'm not sure that that's the
56:14
way to go about join it. And like you said, I just wish
56:18
she would maybe get off of social media and just go live
56:24
your life quietly and just be exist and take care of you and
56:30
your daughter. And you know, it's almost like
56:34
she needs to be in a relationship because she does
56:38
not know how to take care of herself and she needs to be
56:40
cared for. And that's why she married Ryan.
56:45
And knowing that she would come out of prison and someone would
56:47
take care of her and then realize, OK, this isn't the
56:50
right guy. We're not really Jelly and
56:52
living together and I'm going to go with this guy, but I really
56:55
want a baby. So I'll have a baby and then I
56:58
can take care of the baby. But again, who's going to be
57:01
taking care of her and the baby is still the question.
57:03
And she needs to figure out how to take care of her Dang self.
57:06
Yeah, well, I mean, if you even watch the show.
57:10
So I watch it with other people 'cause they stream it on TikTok
57:14
on Mondays. Conspiracy.
57:18
Go check out Conspiracy. She's the one that does that.
57:21
And yeah, So what you notice is, is that she's got signs all over
57:28
the house telling her what to do or telling Ken what to do.
57:33
And it's like signs that are like really weird, like after
57:39
three minutes burp or whatever, I can't remember everything but
57:43
it, it's just like a normal person wouldn't do that.
57:47
Maybe they would make a checklist or something like
57:50
that, but not put up signs all over the house to remind them
57:57
about what to do with the baby. It's very odd.
58:03
So she does not know how to take care of herself, let alone her
58:07
baby. Yeah, I, I think that, you know,
58:09
that would be, you know what I would hope for that she learns
58:13
how to focus, to take care of that baby and do right by that
58:17
baby because you are in the public eye and it won't take but
58:21
that quick somebody makes a phone call.
58:23
Do you know Department of Child Services?
58:25
And they have. Been.
58:27
They have been and that's the that's the sad thing too is, is
58:32
that when it comes to Gypsy, people will call her parole
58:37
officer or they'll call DCF to the point now where if something
58:42
really does happen, are they going to take it seriously?
58:46
Right. And so I wish people would be
58:52
more responsible, more adults when they're dealing with this
58:57
situation and try to see it from a logical standpoint, But
59:03
unfortunately emotions get way crazy when it comes to stuff
59:07
like this. Right.
59:09
Well, Gypsy, if you're listening, we will, you know,
59:12
pray for you and your baby and that you have good health and in
59:17
your future endeavors. And thank you again, Amber, for
59:20
coming on tonight and having a very interesting discussion
59:23
about this case that I'm sure we're going to be continue to be
59:25
discussing for many months to come.
59:29
Oh yes. Thanks for coming on and for the
59:33
dog tag Diva. I'm here to remind you to greet
59:36
each each day with purpose, passion and tenacity and be kind
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to each other. Thank you.
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Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in to
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Military Broadcast Radio. As we wrap up today's show, we
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want to remind you that the podcast of today's episode will
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Your stories and experiences matter, and we are committed to
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giving you a platform to share them.
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That's right, we are here to give our veterans a voice.
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