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Ken Rosenthal joins FT: Red Sox-Pirates trade, Blue Jays think big + Judge HOF now, Cubs want Bregman · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Ton Fither. You ever seen those notes where it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this team has had eighty different lineup combinations this year.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: You're like, damn, how have they done so many different
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: lineup combos? This is a new lineup combo today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've been a part of a couple of teams like
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  Speaker 3: that too. So I just remember at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the year they were saying, like, dude, you bad it
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  Speaker 3: everywhere in the lineup except leadoff, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're actually right.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I've been a part of a couple though.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get a chance to lead?
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  Speaker 4: You get one?
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  Speaker 3: Thought one game? Every single one. I've been one through nine.
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  Speaker 4: I would honestly say I think I probably had two.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously the part in the middle of the order
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  Speaker 4: was more out of necessity at some point. But I
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  Speaker 4: spent most of my time kind of reading the lineup,
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  Speaker 4: you know, reverse I was kind of dyslexic when it
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  Speaker 4: came to the lineup. I had to read from the
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  Speaker 4: bottom to the top.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Scott, I'm going to ask you this, but
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  Speaker 3: I KP is gonna know if you're batting nine, who's
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  Speaker 3: batting in front of you?
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  Speaker 1: Is this a trick question?
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  Speaker 4: No, just what's your answer?
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  Speaker 2: Who would be batting front? Yeah, if you're in front
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  Speaker 2: of you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the front behind in front of you before you.
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  Speaker 3: You're thinking about it, KP. Who's hitting in front of
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  Speaker 3: your dog?
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  Speaker 4: Everyone?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody. It's just the fact you go to the score.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a baseball lingo thing. You go to score
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  Speaker 3: with the nine and the coaches. I phrase, you're sending
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  Speaker 3: in front of you. Everybody's hitting in front of me.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I knew. You would take it literal and
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  Speaker 3: you were trying to decipher, but it was It was funny.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, is there some hidden message in here?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, unless unless you play it or you know the lingo.
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  Speaker 1: It's everybody, baby.
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  Speaker 4: I spent I spent a couple of I wouldn't say years,
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  Speaker 4: as I spend a majority of time in my career
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  Speaker 4: battling between someone else and being the butt of that joke.
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  Speaker 4: We'un out. We'd run the you know, before they would
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  Speaker 4: send out the lineup, you go check the lineup in
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  Speaker 4: the clubhouse or in the dugout. We'd run over it
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  Speaker 4: to and be like, oh, yeah, I'm eight today, not nine.
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  Speaker 4: So who's in front of you. Buddy, that's good.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. Well, this combination has never happened before,
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  Speaker 1: so that's how it came about. We got a little
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  Speaker 1: former met action, but they didn't play together on the
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  Speaker 1: Mets at the same time. Todd Father and Kevin Pullar
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  Speaker 1: first time together on the show. You guys a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pressure. You ready to carry it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll carry it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, of course we're going to start with a
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  Speaker 1: trade that involves one of the most confusing first names
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  Speaker 1: in baseball, So let's hit it. Jose Tinsen Garcia Boom.
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  Speaker 1: I said it, But from now on after that, I'm
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  Speaker 1: calling him what everyone calls him, and that's the password.
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox fans know him well. He's barely touched the
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  Speaker 1: majors so far, but there are high expectations for him.
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  Speaker 1: Very physical moves over to the Pittsburgh Pirates along with
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  Speaker 1: right handed pitching prospect Jesus Travoso, and the Pirates send
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  Speaker 1: Johann Oviedo out to Boston. Nice little pickup for the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox, very physical, big pitcher KP. Here's the whole
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  Speaker 1: trade breakdown, and I'll start with you. Because of all
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  Speaker 1: of the teams that you could have selected the other
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  Speaker 1: day to try and de cipher what they're going to
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  Speaker 1: do in the offseason, you actually chose the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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  Speaker 1: So does this track with what you had them doing
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  Speaker 1: this offseason? I mean it's something.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we spent a little bit time talking about
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  Speaker 4: some of the young pitchers that they have, and they
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  Speaker 4: didn't get an opportunity to start and there in the bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe this kind of gives them a clear path to
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  Speaker 4: go out and start. You know, maybe they're subtracting from
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  Speaker 4: an area where they feel like they have a strength
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  Speaker 4: in some of the starting pitching, filling out some of
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  Speaker 4: the other positions they need to go out and get.
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  Speaker 4: They still are not going out and signing someone to
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  Speaker 4: a multiple year deal, which I talked about when I
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  Speaker 4: selected the Pittsburgh Pirates that they were going to do
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  Speaker 4: one year deals. But if they were able to go
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  Speaker 4: out and get a you know, a guy who's already
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  Speaker 4: been given the name the password to go room the
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  Speaker 4: outfield for the next five or six years, it's something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you hit it perfectly because I'm
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  Speaker 3: sitting here it's like, okay, like this wasn't something that I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, was saying this was going to happen, or hey,
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  Speaker 3: get ready for this trade, Like I I okay, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe it's a trade for them to
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  Speaker 3: be like, hey listen, we did something. Yeah, we you know,
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  Speaker 3: we worked this offseason. Well, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how it's gonna help your team. Yeah, it's gonna help.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not the big trade. It's the pirates. They
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  Speaker 3: this is what they do. They gave up a picture
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  Speaker 3: who's known, who's been out there before, who's actually pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he has his times where he struggles a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, but for the Red Sox, it's a stable pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: He's healthy, he's gonna go out there and p and
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  Speaker 3: do really well in a viedo. And you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I I thought it was just whatever. It's
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  Speaker 3: just it's just a trade. I mean, you got a
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  Speaker 3: guy like the password. I mean, why do you call
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  Speaker 3: him the password? Is it because it's he's top secret
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  Speaker 3: and nobody knows about him. I don't know, So we'll
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  Speaker 3: we'll find out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you can spell his first name, then you
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  Speaker 1: win a prize. Jost Y n XO N I'm with you, here,
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  Speaker 1: Todd Father. The Pirates are in like I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say do or die mode, but it is that
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  Speaker 1: way for their front office. They can't miss the playoffs again,
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  Speaker 1: even though it is lofty that they would make the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs otherwise, it's going to be a new front office.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why it's interesting to me too. Garcia is young.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much of an impact
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  Speaker 1: he's going to make on the major league club this year.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be on the club, but unless you haven't pegged,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the breakout rookie of the year. I'm expecting
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more from them. And on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: Johan Oviedo happens to be Eric Kratz's favorite pitcher for
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  Speaker 1: the last like three four years since this show existed.
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  Speaker 1: He's been talking him up and then he went down
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  Speaker 1: for about half the time that this show has existed
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  Speaker 1: because he had Tommy John surgery. Comes back this past
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  Speaker 1: season nine starts about a three and a half thera
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  Speaker 1: fastball shapes were better for him between his four seam
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  Speaker 1: and two seam reading scattering reports. He's got big extension.
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  Speaker 1: He's huge. He's six six ish to fifty throws hard,
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  Speaker 1: gets swing and miss limits hard contact. So for Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox fans, I think he should be fired up. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think Garcia was going to be a big part
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  Speaker 1: of the twenty six team, and you're trying to build
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  Speaker 1: a contender, So I think the Red Sox get the
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  Speaker 1: better end of this one. Again, Yeah, do we know
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  Speaker 1: a ton about Garcia. We're not gonna act like where
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  Speaker 1: the prospect experts. But wait, Baseball America is Jeff Ponce
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  Speaker 1: knows all about these guys. Jeff take it away, all right, guys.
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  Speaker 5: Big deal went down yesterday between the Red Sox and
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  Speaker 5: the Pirates.
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  Speaker 1: Five player trade.
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  Speaker 5: Johann Oviedo, a major league pitcher that just returned from
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  Speaker 5: Tommy John surgery last season, goes over to the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 5: Of things, He's joined by a Donnis Guzman, who was
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  Speaker 5: a fifth round pick this year out of Arizona. Was
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  Speaker 5: with Boston College actually as a freshman, so somewhat familiar
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  Speaker 5: with the area. Huge arm, great throwing catcher, a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more questions around the bat. He did show a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more impact and decent swing decisions this year.
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  Speaker 5: The other play going to the Red Sox, Tyler Samonego
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  Speaker 5: was another guy that was added to the forty man
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  Speaker 5: roster this year, had some elbow troubles coming into twenty
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  Speaker 5: twenty five, certainly showed enough, though it was in the
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  Speaker 5: lower levels, to get added to the forty man roster.
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  Speaker 5: He's a left hander with big stuff. Replaces some of
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  Speaker 5: that left handed relief depth that the Red Sox have
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  Speaker 5: lost this season between Brendan Bernardino and Chris Murphy going
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  Speaker 5: to the White Sox on the other side, headed to
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  Speaker 5: the Pirates, you have the pass where just Nixon Garcia
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  Speaker 5: obviously maybe the most famous player in this trade.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's the only guy that's had a Jeopardy question.
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  Speaker 5: Big power bat, there's good bat to all skills there.
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  Speaker 5: Where he gets in trouble is really over zealous swing decisions,
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  Speaker 5: loves to swing the bat, loves to try to attack
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  Speaker 5: any pitch that's even anywhere near the zone. You'll have
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  Speaker 5: to tamp that down a little bit if he's going
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  Speaker 5: to have success. Played primarily center field last year in
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  Speaker 5: Portland and then in Tripa. A Wooster can probably handle
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  Speaker 5: center field right now. Probably a corner outfield guy long term,
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  Speaker 5: but a guy that could slot into the middle of
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  Speaker 5: the Pirates order right now, and certainly probably an upgrade
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  Speaker 5: over some of the defensive options that they currently roll
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  Speaker 5: out there in the outfield.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get more from jeffon Travioso coming up in
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  Speaker 1: a moment. We're just splitting that up so we can
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  Speaker 1: talk again here. So he thinks maybe middle of the
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  Speaker 1: order outfielder a Pirates team that has to do serious
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  Speaker 1: lineup upgrades.
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  Speaker 2: It was the worst.
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  Speaker 1: Offense in baseball this past season, and also for Boston,
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  Speaker 1: Todd Father, they have too many outfielders. We've heard Jaron
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  Speaker 1: Durand's name in trade rumors for like a year or
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  Speaker 1: two at this point, and you look and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: am I missing something? This is a very good first
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  Speaker 1: division outfielder. It's just that they have a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a surplus. So Garcia was not going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to find consistent playing time here unless there were
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  Speaker 1: quite a few injuries.
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  Speaker 3: And that makes sense, like when you have a guy
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  Speaker 3: that's not going to play a lot who's a decent ballplayer,
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  Speaker 3: what are you supposed to do with them? Oh, let's
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  Speaker 3: hang them around and maybe you know something will happen.
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  Speaker 3: They have, again, a surplus of battlefielders that they can use.
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  Speaker 3: Why not trade a guy to get you know, a
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  Speaker 3: decenter quality arm or anything else. That's what a smart
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  Speaker 3: organization will do. Now we'll hang on. We're worried about
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  Speaker 3: the injuries. Well, if you're worried about injuries, guess what, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that might happen. But at the same time, you got
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  Speaker 3: to go with you gut. It's a great plan. It's
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  Speaker 3: a great, great job by them to figure this out.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we'll talk more with somebody down the road
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  Speaker 3: to how these trades get going and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: But for me, don't wait. You saw what the Orioles did.
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  Speaker 3: They had so many of these prospects. Now what they
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  Speaker 3: got nothing out of it. You know, there's organizations that
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: do this all the time, and I just think it's
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  Speaker 3: a very smart move by them, and you know, hopefully
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  Speaker 3: it works out for both teams. Again, I'm not trying
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  Speaker 3: to knock both, but when you've got a guy that's
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  Speaker 3: not gonna able to play, help him out a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: move him somewhere where.
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  Speaker 2: He has a better opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I love your point too, because we
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  Speaker 4: as an industry value prospects so much. But if they
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  Speaker 4: don't have a place to play where you have a
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  Speaker 4: surplus of them. Yeah, it's things when those guys go
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  Speaker 4: other places and they end up being the player you
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  Speaker 4: thought you were gonna get. But sometimes you've got to
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  Speaker 4: gamble a little bit, and you got to you gotta
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  Speaker 4: take away from areas that you have a surplus of
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  Speaker 4: guys and go out and get some other players and
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  Speaker 4: areas that you need. And you know, I'm looking at
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  Speaker 4: Oviedo's numbers from twenty thirteen and the big thing that
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  Speaker 4: stands out to me is he had thirty two games started,
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy seven innings. That's extremely valuable when
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  Speaker 4: they're trying to fill out that back end of the rotation.
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  Speaker 4: You know, not every team is fortunate enough to have
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  Speaker 4: a rotation like the Seattle Mariners or the Dodgers or not.
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  Speaker 4: Not all teams are gonna have of, you know, four
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  Speaker 4: number one starters. Sometimes you just need to get guys
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  Speaker 4: that can take the ball every fifth day, you know,
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  Speaker 4: eat innings and give your team a chance to win.
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  Speaker 4: So I love the trade, and hopefully this kind of
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  Speaker 4: quiets down the Duran, you know, getting traded rumors because
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  Speaker 4: I think he's a heck of a player. I think
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  Speaker 4: he is kind of that catalyst for the Red Sox offense,
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  Speaker 4: kind of hitting at the top of the order. He's
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  Speaker 4: so fun to watch. I mean, he's a year where
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  Speaker 4: maybe two years removed away from me in the All
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  Speaker 4: Star Game, MVP didn't have the same caliber year last year,
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  Speaker 4: but he's still so valuable to that team the way
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  Speaker 4: he just plays with energy and he's found a nice
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  Speaker 4: home in left field.
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  Speaker 1: There great point also by Todd Father on how you
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  Speaker 1: can't just hold on to all of these guys. He
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  Speaker 1: got to start mixing it up and making trade. There's
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  Speaker 1: Mikey saying it advanced. Stuff looks real good too from Oviedo.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's going to be a big
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  Speaker 1: pickup for the Red Sox if he's on the field.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, Armen cent, are they done with the rotation
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  Speaker 1: now they added Gray and Oviedo. That's a good question,
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  Speaker 1: really we could ask. I mean, I think some fans
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  Speaker 1: still wanted like an ACE type or something. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to spend on the market like that.
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  Speaker 1: They spent their money on Garrett Crochet in terms of
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  Speaker 1: giving him an extension. I think Red Sox fans are
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  Speaker 1: still a little frustrated because they want the money to
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  Speaker 1: be spent that makes up for what they gave up
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  Speaker 1: with Rafael Devers. It almost was like a public promise,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to spend that, But let me give the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox love for a second. They traded for Garrett
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  Speaker 1: Crochet last year. I think the Orioles were in the running.
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  Speaker 1: Two Red Sox won with their bid. How did that go?
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  Speaker 1: They traded for a number one starter, top three in
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  Speaker 1: the American League, picked him up, signed him to an extension.
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly what player development is all about. You
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  Speaker 1: get the guys that bit into your roster, and then
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  Speaker 1: you take some risks and get rid of some others
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  Speaker 1: and say I don't care what ends up happening to them,
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  Speaker 1: because I just got a number one starter. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing that the Red Sox just did, in addition to
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  Speaker 1: trading the password is a guy who they found kind
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  Speaker 1: of as a diamond in the rough. They didn't pay
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  Speaker 1: much for him in terms of when they picked him
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  Speaker 1: up as an international prospect, like he wasn't highly regarded.
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  Speaker 1: His name's Hazus Travioso. Five to eleven, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: forty pounds. They signed him out a Venezuela for ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars in twenty twenty four. That's like basically as
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  Speaker 1: low as it gets when you're doing those international signings.
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  Speaker 1: So they found something here, and again we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: the trade. I just want to queue up the second
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  Speaker 1: part of what Jeff Pons from Baseball America is going
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  Speaker 1: to bring to the mix, because BA is very high
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  Speaker 1: on him, so Pirates fans could get excited the big
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  Speaker 1: question mark.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the guy that drew the most interest yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: at least over on our site, which does focus on prospects,
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  Speaker 5: is Jesus Traviso. Traviso was really really interesting. He's an
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  Speaker 5: undersized right hander, but he's got huge stuff. Really really
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  Speaker 5: good performance last year in the Florida Complex League. I
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  Speaker 5: think he made thirty nine pits, thirty nine ing's there,
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  Speaker 5: two point seventy seven ERA, fifty two strikeouts, twenty five walks.
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  Speaker 5: As I mentioned, big velocity since ninety four to ninety six,
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  Speaker 5: he'll ramp it up to one hundred miles an hour.
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  Speaker 5: There's not a ton of bat missing traits there in
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  Speaker 5: terms of shape, but the velocity does play his primary
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  Speaker 5: pitch is actually a gyro slider eighty four to eighty
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  Speaker 5: six miles an hour, really tight bullet spin. Loves throwing
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  Speaker 5: that thing, throws it more than the four team commands
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  Speaker 5: it better than he commands his fastball actually also throws
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  Speaker 5: a sweeper that isn't very good and has a really
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  Speaker 5: good change up as well that he kills. Lyft On
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  Speaker 5: commands that pitch really well. Probably is an averager, better
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  Speaker 5: pitch long term. So really interesting trade, I think from
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  Speaker 5: the Pirates side and from the Red Sox side, and
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  Speaker 5: it's a trade that could certainly have some impact in
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: the coming years.
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  Speaker 1: FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal with the Inside Scoop, I
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  Speaker 1: like this interesting trade, Ken, what are your thoughts? I
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  Speaker 1: know you wrote also about the Pirates side, so if
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: you want to spend time there, we'll then get to Boston.
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  Speaker 6: It was definitely an interesting trade, and I had heard
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: earlier in the off season that Oviedo was attracting Symtris.
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  Speaker 6: There are some things that happened after he came back
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  Speaker 6: from the injury. He's affordable, he is an intriguing guy,
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  Speaker 6: so for the Red Sox to want him in addition
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  Speaker 6: to Sonny Gray, that made sense. To me, and certainly
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  Speaker 6: they liked the left hander that they got in the
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  Speaker 6: deal as well, the left handed reliever. And then from
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  Speaker 6: the Pirates perspective, Garcia the password is the kind of
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  Speaker 6: guy that they should be taking a chance on.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: There is swing and miss there, there is a little
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: bit of volatility there, but he's a good defender, a
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: good base runner, and if they can unlock him, if
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: they can kind of get him to reiin in his aggression,
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: they might have something there. And he certainly is a
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: guy that could fit into their long term future if
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: he proves to be the kind of player that they envision.
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: So it was a bit surprising to a lot of people.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: I think that the Red Sox went and got another
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: starter after Sonny Gray because their focus now is seemingly offense.
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: But even with the young pitching that they have, even
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: with the depth that they have overall, I don't see
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: that it's ever a problem to add starting pitching. And
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: if they can maybe make another deal, package one of
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: those young starters with someone and get something else, all
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: the better.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: He Ken Let's stay on the topic of the Pirates.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: Right before Thanksgiving, we got to pick a team and
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: kind of put together a Thanksgiving plate of who we
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: think teams are going to go out and get in
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: free agency, and I happen to pick the Pirates, and
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: you know, I had to go kind of in the
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: middle of to the bottom of the free agent list.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: This is kind of the list I came up with.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Is this the type of moves you kind of expect
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: the Pirates to make, be a trade or free agency
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: or we've heard rumors of them going out and maybe
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: spending some money this offseason. Are they going to play
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: near the top of you know, get some of those
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: guys at the top of the free agent list.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Actually, Kevin, those names are a little bit below where
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: I think they are aiming.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: They ultimately might end up with guys like that. I
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: don't think they'll be at the top of the market
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: for Schwarber or anyone along those lines, even if they try,
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: because when you're a Kyle Schwarber or any kind of
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: elite player and you have better options, you're gonna choose
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: the better, more competitive options. So I don't see them there.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: But guys like Ryan O'Hearn, Jorge Polanco, Okamudo from Japan,
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: those are the types of names I've heard with them.
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: There are also trades they can make for maybe a
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: Brandon Lao or Jeff McNeil. They are trying to get
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: one or two regulars and three or four other position
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: players that would be more depth pieces. The password kind
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: of qualifies in that latter category, as I wrote today.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: So while those names you have there might ultimately be
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: where they end up, it seems to me they want
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: to do better than that. Those are the kinds of
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: names that they've gone after in the past one year guys.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: They still may end up with one year guys, but
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: they are trying, it seems to do a little bit
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: better than that.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: We're just talking about Boston and how they picked up Olviedo.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Sonny Gray is another guy, man. I mean you think
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: do you think the staff is starting to line up
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: a little bit better for this team? I mean there
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: were a playoff team last year. This only boosts them
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to be exactly where they want to be. I know
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: they're trying to get more stuff. Do you see them
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: going after any more starting pitching or you think this
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: is it for them?
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Well, Todd, I didn't think they were going to get
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: another starter after Sonny Gray, so I would be surprised
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: if they got one more. Now, you never know, and
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: certainly teams do all kinds of things and talk about
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: all kinds of things, some of which never come to
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: light and some of which do, but there are constantly
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: conversations going on. It would seem to me that their
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: focus now should be the bat, whether it's Bregman or
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Alonso or both or someone else. That is where they
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: have to kind of get better at this point they
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: feel with Crochet at the top and Bao and of
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: course Sonny Gray and Patrick Sandoval coming off an injury,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Carter Crawford coming off an injury, Peyton Toley and some
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: of their other young pitchers that we've seen as well.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Early is another one. They feel that they're pretty deep
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: and they've got more coming. So I would be surprised
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: if they went after another starter. But again I was
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: surprised that they landed Ovi Aedo.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Quite frankly, one more on this because fans take everything
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: very literal, and it sounded like Boston said they were
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: going to get like a Coace or a one, A
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: one B or a number two starter right to Garrett Crochet,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And like you said, I mean, they've filled out their
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: rotation here. Some fans are like, where's my number one
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: A or B or number two starter here? And it
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: seems like they found two guys. I think Sonny greg
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: can pitch a playoff game. Oviedo actually has the stuff
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to pitch a playoff game too. They did it a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: little bit unconventionally and they don't have to spend like
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: say a team like the Blue Jays will spend. So
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: do you think fans are justified here some of them
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit perturbed that they didn't get
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: like this elite pitcher. I actually do.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: And I like Sonny Gray.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Buddy's thirty six.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: And he's a guy who they love because of his
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: strikeout rates and the swing and miss and the strikeout
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: to walk ratio. All of that is really good. I
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: just question whether when you get to October Sonny Gray
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: is still going to be that effective a pitcher. So
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: I understand where the fans are coming from there. And Oviedo, yes,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: he has the ability. He's six foot six with an
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: incredible extension, all of that stuff as well, but he
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: hasn't done it, and you don't know if he's going
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: to do it. He's more of a risk along those lines.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: So I get where the fans are coming from, but
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: you have to wait and see the entire picture too,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: because if in the end they end up and I'm
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: just throwing this out there, this is hypothetical, it's speculation,
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: But if in the end they end up with Sunny
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: Gray Oviedo and two bats, I don't know who those
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: bats would be. With two bats, that's a pretty good offseason,
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: it would seem to me. And if they need more
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: starting pitching come to deadline, they can go get it.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: Then remember the kids that they have came up last
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: year and performed pretty well. You can't expect him to
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: be two hundred inning guys in twenty twenty six, but
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: there's definitely some promise there, and with Sandoval coming back,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: who knows what he might provide. So I kind of
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: like where they are right now, and I want to
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: see more, obviously, but that's true of any team at
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: this stage.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Let's stay in the al least Toronto Blue Jays KP
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: squad Kyle Tucker just visited the Florida facility. There, Okay,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: we got something going on here. Now my problem, not
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: my problem. My situation is here. You talk about him
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: maybe going to the Blue Jays. Does that make it
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: hard for Bobaschett to come back or do you see
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: both of them maybe sticking together if eventually this does
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: go through.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: Todd, I don't know, And it certainly seems from the
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: outside that it would be tough to do both those guys, right,
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Tucker at three point fifty to four hundred million, Bashdd
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: at one hundred and fifty to two hundred million, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: I might be low. They might be doing even better
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: than that. Ultimately, that would seem to be a lot,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: for sure, when you've already signed Dylan Ceases to a
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: deal that's valued at about one hundred and eighty five
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: in present day money. But the Toronto Blue Jays don't
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: seem to be hesitating this offseason, So I don't know
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: that we can rule anything out. And the other thing
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: that's interesting here to me, Todd, and maybe you can
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: talk about this. We've seen this with the Dodgers.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Great players like to play with great players.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: And we haven't seen this kind of NBA thing happen
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: much in baseball, but it has happened to an extent
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: with the Dodgers, with Yamamoto joining Otani and then Sasaki
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: doing the same. I wonder if maybe that is going
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: to be a situation in Toronto where all of a sudden,
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: after all those years of failing to get free agents,
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: players say, you know what, let's go there and win.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: They're close. Let's make it happen.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: And in that case, if Tucker and Bashett, for instance,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: are willing to be creative in their deals, deferrals, whatever
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: the case might be, then maybe it happens. I don't
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: know that you can rule it out love it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: As we approach the Winter meetings here, can you kind
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: of just take me through like a day to day
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: which you go through at the Winter Meetings. I attended
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: my first one last year and I kind of just
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: walked around. It felt like kind of like a high
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: school reunion. Got to see a lot of people. What's
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: your kind of day to day? Like you get invited
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: into GM suites to talk to them? Are you constantly
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: on the phone? Are you just walking around running into people.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I'm always curious to know what goes on.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Kevin.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: I wish I was invited into GM suites. That does
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: not happen. And the Winter Meetings have changed over the years,
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: They've become less of a situation where you're seeing people
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: in the lobby and trying to talk to people that way.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Pretty much everyone now, and I'm talking about the gms
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: and even the agents. They stay in their suites, maybe
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: they visit each other, they don't come out, we don't
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: see them, So it's more of a texting phone kind
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: of situation than it once was. I used to I
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: don't know how many steps. We didn't have step counters
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: back then, but I'm sure I was putting on a
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: lot of steps back in the day when the lobby
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: was where it was at. It's really no longer that
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: way as far as the day is concerned. It kind
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: of starts early and ends late, and sometimes it doesn't
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: end at all. And yeah, I'm just constantly trying to
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: find out what's going on.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: It's basically it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: And then when things do happen, or even before things happen,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: I'm writing constantly as well. So it's it's really busy,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: to say the least.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: He's definitely busy over there.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I got off the elevator and he didn't even know
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: who I was in Vegas.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: But that's that's a story for a different time.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I heard about it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: You were locked in.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: I was locked in and I did not recognize you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: I was talking to somebody was pretty high up.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: We're on like the fortieth We're on the fortieth floor, man,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I told our producering. We were laughing, so it was
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: fun time, Like, yo, what's up big dog? You're like,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I'm on the phone. Oh okay. So I just kept going.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, Ken forgets me, It's okay,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: all good.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: I'm not forgetting you, man.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I was just.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I know, have you heard your with the Jersey accent?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: He would have been like, oh.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Hey, but when you're hey, when you're working, sometimes you
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: got to get the job done. My last question for
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: you is my old team Cincinnati. You know that sometimes
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: they make some moves, sometimes they don't. They've been in
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: talks with some people. How about a guy like Kyle
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: schwarber Man. Have you heard anything with them with the
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Reds and anything ink to them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: I have heard that and I've written about it too.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: They're trying with him now. In the end it would
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: seem they're going to get outbid, and some people at
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: that point might say, see it was never real. It
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: is real as far as their interest, and it is
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: real in terms of he's a guy from Middletown, Ohio,
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: about an half hour north of Cincinnati, and he seems
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: to be interested in them as well. But can the
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Reds outbid the Phillies or whoever else might be on
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: Kyle Schwarber. That kind of remains to be seen. Now,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: what's the scenario for him to sign with Cincinnati. It
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: would probably be this willing to take less money or deferrals,
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: whatever the case might be, and willing to join a
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: team that sees him as a guy who could help
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: them grow, help their young players, become a great influence
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: on them, and at the same time want to play
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: for Terry Francona. These are all appealing things to Shorebrough,
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: I'm sure, but this is also his last chance at
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: a major payday most likely, and he's gonna want to
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: cash out, which, of course you would understand. So I
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: don't see it happening. But I do believe, not believe,
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: I know the Reds actually want to make this happen.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: It's just a question in the end of whether they
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: can make it go their way.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Last two year. One fan question Di Alvarez wants to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: know what the Dodgers can get for a Taoscar Hernandez
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: trade in return. If that does end up happening. We
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: had a good debate yesterday on the show. Kratz was
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: like a little or on the lower side because I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: guess he didn't have as gonna be a year offensively
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and definitely not a good year defensively. But is this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: about that for the Dodgers or is it I mean,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of course you want to that's something for him, but
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: is it also about getting all of the puzzle pieces
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: back in a better position. I know it sounds weird
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: because Tao's great, but they could improve a lot if
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: they're able to fill that spot.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: It's a really good question. Now they're looking for an
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: outfielder right now, d so that aspect of it complicates things.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: You trade ta Oscar, you need two outfielders now, not
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: impossible to get two outfielders. The Dodgers certainly could do it,
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: but it's a question more of yes, making the pieces
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: fit together. He's not going to be able to DH
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: for them, right He's declined in the outfield and they
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: have a DH. His name is shoe Aotani, not going anywhere,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: so what would they want back? The Dodgers are always
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: interesting because they'll take arms that maybe aren't succeeding elsewhere
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: and turn them into something. I'm not sure what they
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: would desire there. They would be clearing some money, and
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: not that it ever seems to matter to the Dodgers.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: I'm sure that would be appealing to them, but it
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: seems to me, Scott, that it would be more to
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: increase their flexibility with their roster and open up some
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: things for them, maybe with some better defenders. Again, I
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: don't know that I expect this to happen, but as
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: I reported, his name has come up in conversations and
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: there is a certain logic to moving him because this
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: is an older position player club. They have the oldest
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: position player team in the major leagues, or at least
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: they did last year, so you always want to shake
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: it up a little bit. I think, even if you're
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: a two time defending World Series champion, to keep things
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: from growing stale, trading ta Oscar would be one way.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's the best way, but it
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: would be one way.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But I'm Jim Futures twenty twenty six l MVP odds
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: are up already and Tod Father, your boy judge is
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: already a plus three hundred like that is impressive to
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: be at that number already. Remember after about a week
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: or two of the season, I think he was already
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: at even money range, where that is just crazy talk.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But he's at plus three hundred, Bobby Wits at plus
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: five hundred, cow Riley's at plus seven hundred. Isn't that insane, dude,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to be that highly regarded? It makes you think, Okay,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: for as much as we talk about show Hey and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: all that, we got to make sure we keep talking
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: about Judge on the other side and how he's a legend.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Let's do this.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: You know, Scotty, you got money, you got money, Kip,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: let's all just put twenty thousand together on this plus
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: three hundred and we can take them a nice boatloaded cash.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: No, honestly, I'm not surprised.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: You can triple up.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: You can triple up, and then we go to Sissler
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: and then we go have some fun after.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: But can we just double down and take show Hey too,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: and really a lot of money?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Show he's even money probably I don't know yet, but yeah, dude,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: it's incredible, It's incredible. This It just goes to show
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you the amount of goodness he has, how good he is.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: He is just an incredible human being when it comes
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: to the game of baseball on and off the field.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: He can hit the baseball better than pretty much everybody,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and he knows how to do it even when he's slumping,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: even when he's injured. He was off for a while,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: he came back and still won the MVP. That's very
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: hard to do. So going to show you the big
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: numbers he has and he not missing pitches that he's getting.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: You know, two years ago he was swinging outside his
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: own this year. I mean, I would love to see
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: his swing against balls out of his own. But it
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: seemed like every time he got up there, something good
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: would happen.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I can't let certain things go. So let's just play
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: some hypothetical real quick. Aaron Judge decides he doesn't want
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: to play baseball anymore. Is he a Hall of Famer?
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: And does his number get retired in Yankee Stadium?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Here we go again, right now, right now?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: He said, you know what I've done enough, I've won
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: three You know, I don't want to play anymore? Like
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: is he worthy of the Hall of Fame? Because he
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: dominated a period of time. I mean, what's the seven
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: eight years in he's gonna be maybe longer at this.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Point, probably longer. Probably my guess is nine, but I'll
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: double check it. Right now.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I think he debuted in two thousand and sixteen, if
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, and I was twenty seventeen is its
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: first full season.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, which makes it nine years, right, I mean tend
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to one to count sixteen, But nine.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Years seventeen he won the Rookie the home run Most
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: home runs by a rookie Pete. I was on the
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: team with he did it. Then Judge did it in seventeen.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I would say, I would say, right now.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Oh man, see I hate I hate it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Wait wait god, I'm gonna help you, dude. I think
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: it's easy. I think it's a lock. We had this
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: with with Mike Trout when he did this, and then
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: actually it's kind of played out that way where Mike
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Trout was the man. I mean even I would well
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: probably in similar guard to Judge right, more of an
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: all around I mean they're both all around players. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: don't know, both superstars in their era best in the sport,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: or number two or three at worst. And then it
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: just fell off for Trout. That's kind of the question
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that KP's asking in my mind, and Trout's been a lock,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like when you have a peak. I mean a lot
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of times they look at seven year peak and these
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: guys are already you know, like Judge is already what
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: more of a nine year peak as the best, if
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: not top three player in the sport for that long.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: To me, that's an easy lock. You don't have the volume.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But we're not talking about a guy that's like, oh,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: he's been in the MVP mix, like you know where
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: it's a better conversation Todd is if you know Jose
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Ramirez stops his career to marrow like I think he's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: getting close, but but his would be a little bit
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: more of a debate. With Judge, it's like best or
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: second best bat for years and years and he's almost
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: ten years in the bigs. I'm good.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: And the the reason I'm saying because everybody's like, oh,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the bias with the New York and with me working
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you know, with the Yankees. That's the only reason I
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: pull back because people are like, oh, well he's a
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Yankee guy. But yeah, I would have to one hundred
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: percent agree with you on all accounts.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, I do, And that's why I disagree with Like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: that's why I disagree with like the numbers. I'm looking
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: at his numbers, sixty two point three war, twelve hundred hits,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty eight home runs. But I mean,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: you talk about a nine year period or an eight
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: year period of dominance, like Hall of Fame has to
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: have a guy like that in it. And this is
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: assuming he just stopped playing, you know, if he hasn't
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: gradual declined.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Or even if he falls off the cliff.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: But it's it's just crazy, you know that it goes
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: back to our point of you know, I don't believe
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: in this giant Hall of Fame, but there's got to
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: be like some feel like you ask a player who
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: played against him, You're like, yes, the guy was a
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, Like he was so much better than
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: everyone else on the field, and look what he did
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: for a nine year period of time. Like he was
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: the best player on the field for nine straight years.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: You know, probably much like Don Mattingly. Maybe not the
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: level of dominance of Aaron Judge, but you ask people,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: when you played against this guy, he was just better
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: than everyone else.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Hey, and you and I need to have a root
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: beer and just talk because there's gonna be a lot
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: of guys and we play eventually coming up and you
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: and me sit down like yeah or no, Like there
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: there's a couple of there's one couple that come to mind.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I get it. It's hard when you have like a
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: personal relationship with people. I mean, look at look at
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: the name behind me right here. You know, I know
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: he's on the Hall of Fame ballot. Like I would say,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, if if gun pointed to my head and
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I had a vote, you know, I would say probably
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: not as a friend of his.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And wait, just you got to clarify, because you got
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Kershaw and Burley.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: That one's a lot, no that I'm talking about?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, that one.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: That side's a lock. This side who I'm talking about?
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Mark Burley, Yes, a guy that god man, he just
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: did some great things in this game. He was a
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: great team in of mind. I loved him so much.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: He's on the Hall of Fame ballot deservingly so is he.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: When you put Mark Burley in the conversation with a
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Kershaw and a Verlander and a Satchel Page and a
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: you know, it's it's it's hard.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? Is he that dude? Does he?
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying the done Zervan, but when they talk
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: about those names, should he be with with that company?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: And that's what I That's what I That's what I
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: took out of our previous conversation. When you're naming the
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: committee and the people that are on the ballot, you're
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: like those names kind of all intertwined with each other,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: like I'm not seeing like I'm not seeing guys that
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Like it's not like my name was in there, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: you're like, okay, no, okay, that's audit. You know, like
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the names seem so intertwined.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: And I think they have to do a better job
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: of recognizing eras of the game, because I do believe
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: the game is has only advanced, it's only gotten harder,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: not only the skills required to hit and to pitch
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: and to get out and the ability to play defense,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: but just the longevity aspect, you know, because the game
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: is trying to get younger and younger, so like it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: a lot harder for players to play a long period
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: of time, Like I had to scratch and claw to
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: play my last four years to get to ten years,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: like it felt like smooth sailing for my first five
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: or six. Like the game's always trying to force you out,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: like it's going to be rare we see guys in
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: today's game unless they come up as a nineteen year
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: old to really play, you know, eighteen nineteen years and
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: you know, to be able to put up enough time,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: get enough at bats to have three thousand hits or
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: three hundred wins. Like it's just not happening anymore. The
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: game's not allowing it. So you have to factor in errors.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to your point, like you see, how did
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: these names get picked? Like for the committee, Like how
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: does this happen? And no knock to like Adjason Stark
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: or anything. I love him to death. I love I
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: love news people. I love them. But they didn't play
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the game either, So it's like it's hard like why
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: some people might say why is he on the committee
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: and not another player or another ex player? So it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: it's the back and forth battle. It's like, all right,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: well if I'm Barry Bonds, well I'm probably not. I'm
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: not saying for this year. I'm just looking at names. Well,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: this guy old school doesn't like this, I'm probably not
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: going to get a vote from him. He could probably
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: narrow it that to you know, how many guys he's
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: really going to vote for him to get in. So
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: it's just that type of committee where it's like, all right,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: why not just I don't know what the answer is,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: but it makes you wonder sometimes.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean it's different from the writer's vote,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: which is all writers. So you at least get to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a point where you're going to then get a blend
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of players executives, and then you got the writers who
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: are more of like the historians, who I think, yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: they have a vote, but they're also trying to help
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: people understand. Hey, let's look at this era. Let me
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: give you all of the information and background on this guy.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Like I think they can be helpful too when they're present.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But in this in the committee, and you know, more
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the thing about they shouldn't they should help you with that,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: but they probably also, in my opinion, shouldn't have.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: A vote since they already had a vote beforehand.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Not saying Jason had the vote for that year, but
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: they they get the vote already, why not help out?
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Hey this guy did this, this and this.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Here's the numbers. Boom, good luck. You know what I'm saying.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the vote. Yeah, and a writer can present
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a case, but then they don't get a vote, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: it's just like, no, this is the player's vote.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good, bad or indifferent. Here's everything on the table. Boom,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: good luck. I'll be outside. You got it, you got
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: two hours.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: I like it because your point that they already previously
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: had an opportunity to vote for someone, and there could
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: be some bias with that, but allow writers or historians
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: to come into that room and be like, here's the
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: historical context. This is how these players stack up. This
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: is how they compare. You guys are the ones that
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: played You guys are the ones that are in the
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. You believe that these players should be,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: you know, placked up with you, on the stage with you.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: You know, I think you would get a better you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: a group of players to make that decision. It should
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: be people in the Hall of Fame ultimately making that
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: decision when it comes to like a vote like this.
• 38:50
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• 38:52
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• 39:05
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• 39:07
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• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Let's hit hot corner. What we're hearing about the Cubs.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Let's just do a quickie on this because we're getting
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: close to time. I'm a renewed interest in Alex Bregman.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: The story from Patrick Moodey and toddeve sharmover at the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Athletic and also you can listen to them on North
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Side Territory. I think they have an episode out on
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: this already. If they don't, they will trust me. Alex
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Bregman a candidate to be with the Cubs again. Now
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: we know that there was interest initially KP Last year.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: The Cubs offered him in February one hundred and fifteen
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: million dollars over four years that included opt out clauses
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: after the second and the third season. His deal from
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Boston was won twenty mil with deferrals, so it was
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: actually a little lower overall guaranteed money than the one fifteen,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: but it was over three years with an opt out
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: after year one. So the Cubs in my mind, lost bag.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Like they were not close. They put something out there
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that's cute, but they were not close. There's renewed interest.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker's not coming back. You look at the position
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: player group and you're like, are they going to let
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Matt Shaw run a little bit? Sure, but they have
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: a ton of free agents after the twenty six season,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and I think there's some concern there. It's really only
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Dansby Swanson and Matt Shaw, and then there's a number
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: of guys that could be an as Suzuki. Nico Horner's
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: on that list. So do you think that this is realistic?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Will this actually happen? I think the biggest question is
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: will the Cubs actually be the winning bidder for Alex
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Bragman In this case? I think Boston's gonna outpit them.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: How could they not? I mean, Alex Bregman is a
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: phenomenal player. They were already had interest in him. Bregman
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: did what he needed to do. It wasn't about I
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: don't think it was about there was a safety blanket
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: with the long term deal, but he really was seeking
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: that opt out. He wasn't coming off the best year.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: He proved He's still an unbelievable player. You know, someone's
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: gonna just have to step up to the plate. But
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Alex Bredman fits exactly what the Cubs sort of need.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: They need a guy who's been there, done it. Just
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: imagine a Dansby Swanson Alex Bregman left side of the infield,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: both guys with you know, World Series championships, pedigrees everything.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: I think that would be a you know, great faceiver
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: franchise moving forward.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy's been a stud I mean, there's enough
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: to do, can play. He's doing it at a tough
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: age getting older too as well. Not many people want
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: these veteran guys anymore, and they're you know, as they're
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: getting into their thirties and older. But this kid absolute
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: stud plays the game while plays hard, you know if
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: his stature too, just plays the game the right way.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I think he's got the magic sauce too. I think
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: he is a true true coach. Jim ratt Nut Yeah exactly,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: But I do think like he like pop quizes guys
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: on pitchers to make sure that a guy that he
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like studying enough is studying. He's going up
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: to every guy with tips, right, not like forcefully, just
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like I think a really brilliant baseball mind. I think
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you've heard that from a lot of guys that play
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: with him. And then he goes to Boston, you hear
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: stories like that. And this was mentioned in the article
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: that Pete crow Armstrong really gravitated towards Justin Turner, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: this could be that next guy that could help Pete
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: continue to develop, someone like Alex Bragmant coming in remember
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: PCA was an MVP candidate, was gonna a ton of money
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: on an early extension, and then he really fell off
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. But the talent's there.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: We've seen it, right, We've seen it at a superstar
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: level for half a season. So anyway, I think the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Cubs would be wise to invest in Alex Bragman coming
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: over the team. Will they win the bid? I don't
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: think so. I don't think they're going to spend as
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: much as as someone else. And I also think that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: their focus is on pitching, which is fine. So then
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: if you're going to spend your big money you're a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: big nut on someone, then go on pitching. I'm okay
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: It's to your point. I never to your point. I
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: never played with Alex Bragman, but I kind of knew
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: him a little bit, And I just remember one day
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: calling him on the phone asking about hitting in the
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: off season, and he said, hey, let me call you
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: right back. He facetimeed me. He was standing up in
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: his house with a bat and just took me through
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: a bunch of different things that he thought about that
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: he felt like would help me. And like I said,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: I never played with the guy. For him to like
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: take that time out of his day to kind of
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: just help me out just kind of shows what type
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: of guy is that, how much he loves hitting and
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: gain the game and being engaged with people to try
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: to make them kind of the best version of themselves.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's never here. I never got that call from him.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I guess that wasn't that good.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: But hey, Todd, guess what if you call her if
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you FaceTime him this week, I bet you he'll do it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I bet you.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I know he will.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna he loves it. When I wake
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: up in the morning in my robe, I'm gonna ask
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: him to move the hips, show me how to go
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: from A to B. Baby, let's go.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be flash lights, flash lights don't rotate.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: He's definitely the guy, right yeah, right here, always has
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a back and always you'll catch him. You'll catch him
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: at any time, like it's like six in the morning,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: he's just waking up and like this is how he's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: drinking his cup of coffee, right like, oh, hey Todd,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, some medding tips where like always has
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to have a bat. Yeah. Anyway, so we'll see what
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: happens with that. Let's hit slap oh Winter meetings next week.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: This is the way that we finish off this week,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: because next time you hear from us, we will be
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: in Orlando. We'll travel far and wide. AJ and I
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to go to our backyard and be at a hotel
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: all day and grab gms and managers. Some of the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: names already confirmed on the list include Cardinals manager Ali Marmle,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Red's manager Terry Francona, Guardians manager Stephen Vote, Tiger's manager A. J.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Hinch Cardinals knew whatever they're calling in President Baseball Operations,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: him Bloom both new guys for the Nationals. Paul Toponi
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: running the front office, Blake Puterra running the manager's side.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: We got our insiders there, Ken Rosenthal, Bob Nightingale, Robert Murray,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Jim Bowden. We're bringing it so we'll see you on
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: YouTube or if you listen to us on the podcast
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: next week. That's all we got you guys crushed. I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: like this lineup combination.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Good line Hey, make sure you make sure you I
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: d Blake Buttero okay, make sure you id.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know AJ and Kratz will manager. That's under
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: forty years old. They're going to bring all your two
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: young baby face blah blah blah kind of jokes. And
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I heard an interview with Blake the other day. He
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: does sound like he's a pretty mature guy, as he
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: has to be, so don't worry. Kp AJ will handle that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: He'll have a drink in hand and be like, I
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm allowed to give this to you.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: See everyone Monday,