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You and I Will Always Be Back Then · Infinite Threads with Bob Barnett

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  SPEAKER_00: There's a line from Adventure Time that has stayed with me for years.
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  SPEAKER_00: You and I will always be back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that because there's something about those words that feels bigger than nostalgia.
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  SPEAKER_00: We usually talk about the past as though it is gone, finished, behind us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And obviously, well, in one sense, it actually is.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can't walk back into yesterday and change what happened as much as we want to sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can't return to a childhood room exactly as it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can't sit down beside someone who's no longer here and make a new memory with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Time moves.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But lately, I've been wondering whether gone is really the right word.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because if something happened, then it happened forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Think about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know, get your mind around that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a particular afternoon when you were 10 years old.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe nothing important happened at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: You were sitting somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: Someone you loved was nearby.
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  SPEAKER_00: The television was on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe dinner was cooking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nobody in the room thought, we should pay attention.
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  SPEAKER_00: This will someday become the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then the day ended and years passed.
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  SPEAKER_00: The room changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: People changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of them, some of them may be gone now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet, that afternoon, it still happened, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing, nothing can make it unhappy.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's something comforting about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: The people we loved really were there.
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  SPEAKER_00: We really heard their voices.
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  SPEAKER_00: We really laughed with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: For one particular point in time, the world contained all of us together.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is permanent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Permanent, not permanently accessible, but permanently true.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that distinction matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we lose somebody, we often say things like, they're gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: And physically, yes, that absence is very real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Grief is real because something has changed that we can't simply put back.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the relationship, there we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: The relationship did not become imaginary because it ended.
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  SPEAKER_00: The love happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: The conversations happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ordinary Tuesday afternoons happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: That part of reality cannot be erased.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that is what I hear in those words.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those words You and I will always be back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: There will always be a place in time where we were together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And memory does something strange with that place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it opens the door.
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  SPEAKER_00: A song comes on or you smell something familiar.
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  SPEAKER_00: You see an object you haven't thought about in years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly the distance collapses for a moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're not merely remembering the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: You almost feel like you've stepped into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know the light in the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know where everybody was sitting.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can hear the voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then the moment passes and you're back here.
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  SPEAKER_00: That fascinates me, really,
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  SPEAKER_00: because the body is in the present,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the mind has somehow reached across decades and sometimes the feeling comes back
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  SPEAKER_00: with the memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: That may be the most remarkable part, don't you think?
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  SPEAKER_00: We can feel warmth from a room that no longer exists.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can laugh again at something that someone said 40 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: A person can still comfort us How
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  SPEAKER_00: strange is that, guys?
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  SPEAKER_00: Something from the past can still act upon the present.
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  SPEAKER_00: That means that the past is not entirely inactive.
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  SPEAKER_00: It continues through us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We carry it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where this starts sounding very familiar to Infinite Threads
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  SPEAKER_00: because we've talked so much about the ripples.
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  SPEAKER_00: A moment happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: It reaches somebody.
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  SPEAKER_00: They carry something from it forward.
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  SPEAKER_00: And years later, that thing may still be moving.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe your grandmother showed you a kind of patience that became part of the way
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  SPEAKER_00: that you treat people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe an old friend taught you how to laugh at yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe somebody believed in you once,
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  SPEAKER_00: and part of the reason that you kept going was because you remembered that they did.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may not be standing beside you anymore,
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  SPEAKER_00: but something that they put into the weave still is.
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  SPEAKER_00: So where exactly did that moment end?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the question that keeps coming back.
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  SPEAKER_00: If a person says something loving to a child in 1975 and that child grows up
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  SPEAKER_00: and treats somebody differently because of it in 2026,
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  SPEAKER_00: is the first moment really over?
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  SPEAKER_00: The event ended, the effect did not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe time's full of things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Moments that stop happening But never stop mattering.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we sometimes treat memories as though they are faded copies of real life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, memory is imperfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: We forget details.
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  SPEAKER_00: We mix things together.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes two different days become one in our mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the importance of memory is not that it gives us a perfect recording.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's what it tells us.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's that it tells us what stayed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Out of thousands of ordinary days, certain moments remain.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why that one?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why that kitchen?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why that particular laugh?
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  SPEAKER_00: Something in us decided that it mattered.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe loved it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean that we should live in the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to.
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  SPEAKER_00: The present deserves our attention too.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are people here now who need us.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are moments happening today that will someday become the memories
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  SPEAKER_00: that we wish we could visit again.
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  SPEAKER_00: That realization actually makes the present feel more important to me
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  SPEAKER_00: because one day this will be back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that's strange to think about.
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  SPEAKER_00: A completely ordinary conversation today could become precious 20 years from now.
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  SPEAKER_00: The person sitting across from us might someday exist mainly in memory and neither
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  SPEAKER_00: of us knows which moment will stay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So perhaps part of loving people is being here While we are there,
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  SPEAKER_00: while we are here, being here while we are here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because we should turn every dinner into some emotional ceremony either.
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  SPEAKER_00: That would get exhausting very quickly.
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  SPEAKER_00: But maybe we notice once in a while this is happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are together.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is one of the days.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like that thought because time usually announces the important things only
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  SPEAKER_00: after they're gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: While we're living them, they often look so ordinary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that is why old photographs affect us so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody in the picture is simply standing there.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't know what comes next.
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  SPEAKER_00: We do.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know which relationships lasted.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know who grew old.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know who did not.
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  SPEAKER_00: The people inside the photograph are still living that exact second.
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  SPEAKER_00: Back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: And somehow, looking at it years later, we meet them there.
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  SPEAKER_00: That may be one of the gentlest things that memory gives us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not a way to change the past, but a way to remain connected to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think love uses that connection differently from regret.
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  SPEAKER_00: Regret wants to go backward and fix something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love often just wants to sit beside the moment again.
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  SPEAKER_00: To hear the laugh.
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  SPEAKER_00: To see the face.
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  SPEAKER_00: To be in the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that is why certain memories hurt and comfort us at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_00: We miss what is gone because it was real.
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  SPEAKER_00: But because it was real, some part of it remains.
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  SPEAKER_00: The person changed us.
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  SPEAKER_00: The moment changed us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are evidence that it happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that idea, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really do.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are walking records of people and places that no longer exist exactly as they once did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pieces of them are still traveling.
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  SPEAKER_00: A phrase, a habit, a way of showing affection.
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  SPEAKER_00: And most of the time,
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  SPEAKER_00: we don't even notice how much of the past is moving around inside of the present.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where I want to begin this week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not by trying to prove some grand theory about time, just by noticing something human.
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  SPEAKER_00: The past may be inaccessible in many ways, but it's not nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because it happened, the world after it was different.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so were we.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tomorrow, I want to play with another idea that I love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Will happen, happening, happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because every future we worry about eventually becomes a present we are standing inside.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then almost immediately, it becomes memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe those three things are not as separate as they feel.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for today, I keep returning to that one beautiful thought.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is a place in time where the people we loved are still laughing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where the room still looks the way that we remember it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where nobody knows yet that the moment will become precious.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can't move back there, but nothing can erase the fact that we were there.
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  SPEAKER_00: You and I together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in that sense, maybe we really will always be back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love you guys very, very much.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know what I need you to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go out there and pass that on, okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Later, Gators.
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