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AEW Hot Topics | AEW is on a roll · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And nine, Ignition five or three two one zero Engine running.
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  Speaker 2: It's Wednesday. You know what that means.
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  Speaker 3: It's time for Ignition with the aw fat Hub podcast
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  Speaker 3: team and community. We're going to be talking about some
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  Speaker 3: aw hot topics and of course tonight we've got aw
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  Speaker 3: Dynamite from Chicago Hangman, Adam Page and John Moxley rematch
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  Speaker 3: for the AAW World Championship.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, what needs to happen here?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what do you expect to happen tonight on
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  Speaker 3: Dynamite and maybe in the next few weeks leading up
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  Speaker 3: maybe Forbidden Door.
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  Speaker 2: What needs to happen?
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  Speaker 4: I got stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, they'll keep us a suspense.
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  Speaker 5: To chime in.
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  Speaker 3: Did you just want to George? Do you just want
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  Speaker 3: to show us your stuff?
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  Speaker 4: Yo? I was actually just fantasy booking this.
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  Speaker 3: Let go.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here is my Here is my grand plan. Number
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  Speaker 4: one Moxley Number one. Moxley is not going to win
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  Speaker 4: this match. Anybody who is worried about Moxley winning this
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  Speaker 4: match can rest easy because that's probably not not what
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  Speaker 4: is going to happen. Also, this match is going to
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  Speaker 4: kick ass because their chemistry is amazing. Moxley was actually
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  Speaker 4: saying in an interview that how much how great it
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  Speaker 4: was working with Hangman, because, like he was saying that
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  Speaker 4: he likes to do audibles the ring a lot, and
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  Speaker 4: Hangmail was just like catching onto everyone he was spitting out.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, good chemistry is always a plus, and this
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  Speaker 4: is going to be great to see. But I think
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  Speaker 4: this is what it's going to take for Max to
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  Speaker 4: realize that, yes, this is a worthy champion, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: the Death Riders mission is over and they can disband now.
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  Speaker 4: But that might not sit well with the Death Riders,
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  Speaker 4: especially a certain Death writer who has not been present
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  Speaker 4: for a while. I think Pac might come back and
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  Speaker 4: maybe oust Mox from his own group.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have not heard any kind of updates on
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  Speaker 3: Pack and his injury status, so that may very well
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  Speaker 3: be true. Yeah, don't forget tomorrow night or tonight's match.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody he's barred from. Everybody's barred from the ring except
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  Speaker 3: for the referee. I've heard suggestions that the referee may
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  Speaker 3: not be Bryce Rebsburg or Aubrey Edwards and maybe somebody
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  Speaker 3: else mm hmmm, anybody else on this match go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: I have an idea. I think that Eddie Kingston is
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  Speaker 5: coming back for I do I think this is his moment.
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  Speaker 5: He's gonna come back and he's gonna interfere and get
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  Speaker 5: involved in the title picture.
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  Speaker 6: I think so, Nah, he can't get The only way
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  Speaker 6: he could come back and get wait a minute, the
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  Speaker 6: only way he get involved in it he is the
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  Speaker 6: surprise referee because you can't be at the ring side.
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  Speaker 7: This is gonna be one of those matches where they're
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  Speaker 7: not gonna let people out there.
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  Speaker 5: Why can't he be the referee? He can an he
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  Speaker 5: can come running out there.
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  Speaker 2: He probably be a referee.
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  Speaker 3: Does does anybody think that something may happen before the batch?
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  Speaker 7: I think it'll happen after the match. I think I
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  Speaker 7: think when Max loses, I think that the uh. I
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  Speaker 7: think the death Riders are going to I don't think
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  Speaker 7: you're gonna beat them up. I just think they're going
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  Speaker 7: to kind of shake their heads and walk away from war.
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  Speaker 8: So I was chatting with with Jess in the in
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  Speaker 8: the channel today on the Fantasy booking, and I think
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  Speaker 8: both kind of what Kelson teed up there and what
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  Speaker 8: Jess teed.
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  Speaker 1: Up there, maybe the way they.
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  Speaker 8: Run it Kelson with with your prompt there, what if
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  Speaker 8: something happens before. I think that's the exact scheming, conniving
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  Speaker 8: way that Death Writers would take advantage of this. Since
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  Speaker 8: they're barred from ringside, they try to take Hanger out
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  Speaker 8: before the match, and then he gets dragged to the
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  Speaker 8: ring by Mox or whatever. You don't even need a
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  Speaker 8: fake rough at that point. Hanger's already, you know, behind
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  Speaker 8: the eight ball. And then just to your point.
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  Speaker 3: I I you agree.
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  Speaker 8: I think Mox needs to lose this, and I think
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  Speaker 8: this needs to start kind of closure of this chapter
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  Speaker 8: of the Death Writers, or possibly the final act of
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  Speaker 8: this whole storyline, and that I do think that if
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  Speaker 8: he loses again, the death Writers need to call him out.
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  Speaker 8: They followed him, they believed in him, and he's lost
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  Speaker 8: twice in a row now, and for him to say
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  Speaker 8: they're done or whatever, I think they turn on him,
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  Speaker 8: get rid of him right. Max off TV for a while.
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  Speaker 8: I think he's earned a vacation finally, And I think
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  Speaker 8: when he's off screen, you do some vignettes, and that's
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  Speaker 8: how you ease Eddie Beck into it. I was mentioning,
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  Speaker 8: you know, you have Mox at home. You can do
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  Speaker 8: vignettes of him questioning who he is am I man enough?
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  Speaker 8: You know, I let the promotion down. He feels like
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  Speaker 8: maybe Hangar still isn't worthwhile, and he's really down on
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  Speaker 8: the dumps. And Eddie's the one that knocks on the
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  Speaker 8: door and says, hey, bro, we need to talk, and
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  Speaker 8: that starts. That starts that redemption tour for him, so
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  Speaker 8: he can come back and maybe he's convinced to right
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  Speaker 8: some of the wrongs he did in aaw during his
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  Speaker 8: death writer's run you can you can milk this for
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  Speaker 8: a while and have him come back as a as
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  Speaker 8: a as a good face and another good story.
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  Speaker 3: I want to say something about I want to say
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  Speaker 3: something about Eddie here because let's space facts. Okay, He's
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  Speaker 3: been out with a broken leg and uh and and
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  Speaker 3: I moniscous, right. I believe he had the wait for
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  Speaker 3: one thing to heal before he had the other thing.
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  Speaker 3: And he is not in good shape. If he he
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  Speaker 3: may very well come back as a referee.
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  Speaker 2: He is not.
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  Speaker 3: He is. I make a prediction he is never going
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  Speaker 3: to be in wrestling shape again, well so to speak,
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  Speaker 3: wrestling shape again for Eddie.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, but I think he may be
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  Speaker 8: right Kelson, the injury to his need is severe enough
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  Speaker 8: that the bumping and the stuff he could do before Eddie,
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  Speaker 8: Eddie's position in the industry probably could change, could very
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  Speaker 8: well change. And that's kind of why I was suggesting,
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  Speaker 8: you know, easing him in with vignettes, because you bring
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  Speaker 8: him right out. He's cold, he hasn't taken any bump,
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  Speaker 8: he hasn't been in the ring. You can ease and
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  Speaker 8: back in through storylines, which gives them more than enough
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  Speaker 8: time to recover and figure out where he's going to
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  Speaker 8: fit into the new scheme of things going forward. Whether
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  Speaker 8: that's a personality kind of like m VP that occasionally
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  Speaker 8: does some some ships and giggles matches, or you know,
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  Speaker 8: is he going to be able to go and get
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  Speaker 8: back in the ring full time? That allows them that
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  Speaker 8: flexibility as well. I'm working his character back in TV.
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  Speaker 3: Just just asking my straightforward who's winning this match tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: night or tonight? Definitely? Yeah. I mean if hak Man
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  Speaker 3: doesn't win, we riot everybody with me. Let's get your
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  Speaker 3: pitchworks and your torches ready.
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  Speaker 8: I think this match is kind of signaling to the
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  Speaker 8: fans too, you know, this is going to be two
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  Speaker 8: losses in a row. I do it feels to me like,
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  Speaker 8: this is tony and creative saying, Okay, we're just letting
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  Speaker 8: everybody know we've been listening.
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  Speaker 1: This is the end of.
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  Speaker 8: That that arc for the Yeah, it's gonna be something new.
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  Speaker 8: That's that's what this feels like when you're doing this
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  Speaker 8: back to back, Especially if Hanger gets two wins in
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  Speaker 8: a row, which he needs to, Like, there's no way
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  Speaker 8: they give Mocks that win and put the belt on it.
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  Speaker 8: That would just evaporate all the good will they built up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, especially that big roar that you heard it
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  Speaker 3: all in and you can't you can't squash that that
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  Speaker 3: that would be the all time That would be an
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  Speaker 3: all time dumb move.
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  Speaker 1: And they're not hot enough to take a risk like that.
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  Speaker 1: They're not. They can't, they're not hot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: The only one I have with what you said, Barry
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  Speaker 7: is that you guys are forgetting about the Darby situation.
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  Speaker 7: They're not gonna they're not gonna end anything with the
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  Speaker 7: death ridsun till Darby gets his revenge. And I think
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  Speaker 7: that will be the final nail in the coffin, so
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  Speaker 7: to speak, because.
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  Speaker 3: You know is he likes to.
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  Speaker 7: Have finishes to things that get started and Darby getting
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  Speaker 7: thrown down the stairs. You gotta finish that. He's got
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  Speaker 7: to have some revenge.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you can go a couple of different ways with that.
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  Speaker 8: When you if we're winding down the death rids, kind
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  Speaker 8: of like what I was saying is they they turn
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  Speaker 8: on Mox after he loses again, and then those guys
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  Speaker 8: get their come up and from Darby and others that
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  Speaker 8: they've screwed over because they're they're leaderless or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You can. You can definitely wrap up those threads too,
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  Speaker 1: and still and still get rid of Mox and.
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  Speaker 7: I agree Forbidden Door and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that works.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Look, we'll see tonight what happens, and we'll be back,
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  Speaker 3: of course after Dynamite tonight for all the talk, and
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  Speaker 3: we're certainly going to talk about it. But I want
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  Speaker 3: to move on because Mercedes Monet picked up two more belts,
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  Speaker 3: the prime Time Wrestling Belt World Championship or Women's World
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  Speaker 3: Championship and the best Ya Women's World Championship. Bestia is
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  Speaker 3: a new UH organization out of Italy, so she is
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  Speaker 3: the inaugural champion for that UH and Primetime Wrestling is
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  Speaker 3: out of Poland UH. She defeated Diana Strong and Poland
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday. She did against Sapphire read on Friday defend
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  Speaker 3: both the I'll Dispute a British Championship and the Quita
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  Speaker 3: Southside Belt successfully in Wolverhampton. So we've been a busy
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  Speaker 3: weekend in two different countries for Mercedes Monette. The question is,
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  Speaker 3: how do you guys speel about Mercedes Monet having these
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  Speaker 3: eight belts now? Yet? In the long term or short term?
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  Speaker 3: Is it a good or a bad thing?
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  Speaker 4: It's getting to be a little much. I mean at
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  Speaker 4: this point she's going to need a blinged out radio
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  Speaker 4: flyer to carry all of her titles around with her.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, she did put a ad out on Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if his tongue or tungue in cheek,
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  Speaker 3: but she wanted somebody that could come follow her around
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  Speaker 3: carrying her belts and must live an Orlando So if
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  Speaker 3: you want a job for with Mercedes Monett, look her
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  Speaker 3: up on Twitter, look up that post and respond to me.
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  Speaker 8: I do live here in Orlando. I exercise regularly. I
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  Speaker 8: think I'm pretty strong. I could probably carry her belts.
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  Speaker 3: Burn There you go, we'll be seeing Berry on TV
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  Speaker 3: toting around. Uh. Just remember that you know a lot
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  Speaker 3: of gold her Well, Luther used to have that job,
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  Speaker 3: but somehow, some way, his penis got detached. So keep
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  Speaker 3: that in mind. You may not want to take that job.
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  Speaker 1: He just yanked it right off right, It just came
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  Speaker 1: right out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, out of frustration.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What does anybody else?
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  Speaker 3: What is it? What are more thoughts about this Mercedes
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  Speaker 3: Monet with eight belts again?
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  Speaker 2: Is it a good thing or is it a bad thing?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a bad thing.
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  Speaker 7: You can't you you're stretching yourself way out too thin.
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  Speaker 7: You can't defend those I mean, she she barely defends
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  Speaker 7: the TBS title, and you know she's how many times
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  Speaker 7: has she defended the other titles? Like once every She's
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  Speaker 7: defending a title like once every three months. She's to me,
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  Speaker 7: it's just she's holding down those companies women's divisions because
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  Speaker 7: you have somebody that has all the belts and she's
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  Speaker 7: not giving them matches.
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  Speaker 1: So what's the point in having the belts?
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  Speaker 3: Well, one thing to point out here is that other
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  Speaker 3: than Rev. Prou there really isn't a women's division on
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  Speaker 3: any of these companies. So just keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 8: I think it's great. I'm gonna disagree with something a
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  Speaker 8: little bit on this not and I'll just disagree a
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  Speaker 8: little bit. I think it's great because he's giving the
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  Speaker 8: rub to promotions lineages that would never have a name
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  Speaker 8: like this, and I think that's great. I don't think
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  Speaker 8: she needs to be worried about being spread too thin
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  Speaker 8: because these promotions aren't running monthly, they're not running a
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  Speaker 8: whole lot, and if she needs to go back, I'm
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  Speaker 8: sure they've worked out something where this is going somewhere
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  Speaker 8: and she's going to drop a belt at some weight
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  Speaker 8: back to them. But I think it's great. I don't
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  Speaker 8: think we've seen a named star wars indies like this
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  Speaker 8: and give small promotions the rub. She's clearly wanted to
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  Speaker 8: wrestle around the world in a bunch of different countries.
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  Speaker 8: My guess is she's probably got a list of countries
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  Speaker 8: she wants to perform in, and if she can give
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  Speaker 8: those promotions a rub with the belt, they'll work something out.
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  Speaker 8: I think, though, to sutten your point, it is going
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  Speaker 8: to hit a point where it becomes annoying, and I'm
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  Speaker 8: I think that actually may be what they're working towards
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  Speaker 8: and for her character. It feels like a collapse of
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  Speaker 8: everything is kind of what that next chapter needs to
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  Speaker 8: be so that we can see her hit rock bottom
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  Speaker 8: after just failing to get to the mountaintop. But I
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  Speaker 8: think it's a lot of fun. It can get long
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  Speaker 8: in the tooth and too. Sun's point there is that
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  Speaker 8: that is a legitimate concern if it carries on without
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  Speaker 8: any direction that in the time being, I think it's
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  Speaker 8: I think it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody else with an opinion on this before I express mine? Well, look,
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  Speaker 3: on Friday, she defended Mercedes, Monday defended against Sapphire Reid,
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  Speaker 3: a wrestler that I had never heard of before. And
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  Speaker 3: then on Sunday she won the championships, the two championships
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  Speaker 3: in a match against Diana Strong, another wrestler I had
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  Speaker 3: never heard of before, a wrestler by the way, who
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  Speaker 3: grew up idolizing Sasha Banks. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you saw the video, but after the match there were
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  Speaker 3: a lot of tears from Diana Strong because she realized
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  Speaker 3: she just got to wrestle her idol and that's important.
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  Speaker 3: Let's look at it this way. Don't even think of
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  Speaker 3: the championships. This woman, Mercedes Monette is traveling around the world,
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  Speaker 3: and it'll be It would be one thing if she
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  Speaker 3: was going into these arenas wrestling a match, leaving in
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  Speaker 3: the arena and going home. She's spending all day meeting fans,
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  Speaker 3: greeting fans, talking to fans before and after the matches,
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  Speaker 3: and she's not leaving the next day. She's sticking around
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  Speaker 3: and she's doing stuff in the cities, making herself visible.
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  Speaker 3: This may mean nothing right now to any of us,
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  Speaker 3: but ten years from now, when people women start coming in,
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  Speaker 3: these twenty one year old, twenty two to twenty three
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  Speaker 3: year old women are coming into a w and they're saying,
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  Speaker 3: I'm here because Mercedes Monette made me want to be here.
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  Speaker 3: That's what's going to be the big thing. It's the
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  Speaker 3: long term that I'm looking at. You know. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: Mercedes Monet is a schedule I believe for September to
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  Speaker 3: go to Italy to defend her new Vestia Women's World Championship. Hey, look,
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  Speaker 3: she's the inaugural championship. They really don't have a division.
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  Speaker 3: If you're if you want to make some make your
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  Speaker 3: shows mean something, you're like one of your first shows
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  Speaker 3: ever having Mercedes Monet in It is a pretty damn
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  Speaker 3: smart move just putting it out there.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Kelson AW is really focusing on international branding
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  Speaker 8: as well. They do really well when they go overseas.
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  Speaker 8: I wouldn't be shocked if some of this is also
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  Speaker 8: to build that that that Goodwill ambassador brand type of
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  Speaker 8: stuff for AW with a lot of these these other
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  Speaker 8: countries that if they do a show in Germany or
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  Speaker 8: they do a show in France or whatever somewhere in
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  Speaker 8: the EU, that they can travel to. It makes a
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  Speaker 8: lot of sense because it's just a train ride. Hey,
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  Speaker 8: let's go catch that AW show. So and so remember
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  Speaker 8: when they came to town and Mercedes wrestl.
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  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 8: That stuff can matter if you're trying to build a
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  Speaker 8: brand overseas too.
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  Speaker 3: Who and again, you know you look at it. It
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  Speaker 3: was so weird. I watched the Sapphire Reid and Mercedes
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  Speaker 3: Monet match for the undisputed British World Championship at the
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  Speaker 3: Southside Queen of Southside Championship and Sapphire Reid is a
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  Speaker 3: mega heel and so Mercedes Monet went into that match.
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  Speaker 3: As the babyface said, that was kind of weird to see.
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  Speaker 3: And then you had her match on Sunday against Diana Strong,
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  Speaker 3: and Diana Strong put on a wonderful match. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they had really good chemistry. You could tell that they
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  Speaker 3: spent some time, you know, plotting out what was going
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  Speaker 3: to happen. And already people are like praising Diana Strong,
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  Speaker 3: and I've seen a bunch of people saying that she
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  Speaker 3: needs to go right to start him, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's big, that's a big deal, you know. So again
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  Speaker 3: that's another byproduct of these shows. I mean, I personally
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  Speaker 3: see the I've said it many times. I do not
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  Speaker 3: like people for Eddie Rusler to hold multiple belts, but
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  Speaker 3: this is a little different because these belts by and
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  Speaker 3: large are not aw belts. She's only holding the TBS
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  Speaker 3: Championship in AW and frankly, I think it's putting the
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  Speaker 3: women's division in a good place, especially, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: five ten years from now, it's going to make a difference.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to make a difference, you know, Barry speaking,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're talking about in an international matches you
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  Speaker 3: god Forbidden Door coming up in less what is it
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  Speaker 3: less than a month now, and and the aw tag
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  Speaker 3: team tournament is going to be culminating a forbidden Door.
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  Speaker 3: There's no international teams in this tournament bracket. The only
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  Speaker 3: thing that really is kind of making any kind of
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  Speaker 3: news here is the Cracks with MGF and the other
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: members of the Hurt Syndicate, who will be defending more
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: than likely at Forbidden Door against the winner of this tournament.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Where do you think this goes? Who do you think
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: is going to win this tournament? Right off the top
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: of your head.
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: It feels like FTR because they're trying to establish them.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: But I also feel like that might be a red
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: herring or a swerve to me, if you want to
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: reset the Tag Division, you got to get it off
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: the Hurt Syndicate because they're just they're too big, if
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: that makes sense. They just because aw's athletes tend to
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: be smaller. When you bring in the like the Behemoth guys,
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: it's fun to see him beat people up, but when
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: they're a champion, it's hard to book them to.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Lose, right, And.
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: This tournament feels like a relaunch of the Tag Division,
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: like they got all the teams in there we always enjoy,
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: you know, And I'm super glad they swapped in juice
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: and decided to just keep going with that whatever they
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: were going to do with the guns. But I don't know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, like any of the other teams other than
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: maybe the outrunners. You know, I'm cool with them getting
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: a run. I would have been cool with Big Bill
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: and Bran keep getting a run too. Like this, this
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: tournament feels like a reset to me, and I don't
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: really care who wins, just as long as they get
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: it off the Hurt Syndicate one way or another. It's
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: time to turn the page from them idea.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe that's the reason this split is happening
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: with MJF and the Hurt Syndicate, Like they're getting over
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: his selfishness. They're going to kick him through the curb
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: as you know, like turning your back on him, j YEF,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Him and his fifty megga ton abandonment issues is a
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: terrible idea of and he I would, of spite will
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: cost them the championships.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: That very well could be anybody else have any ideas.
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: I like that a lot because I think that's the
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: only way they can lose, because they're so strong that
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: the Hurt syndekid.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: I'm worried about a screw job finish making the winners
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: look weak. So if they but it makes sense from
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: a storyline perspective for MGF to cost them. So if
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: they do that, they got to do it with the
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: right team who's still got a believable finisher and like
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: we buy as a legit champion. So if that's the
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: route they take, I feel like they're going to put
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: it with FTR then because his former champs, everybody we know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: they're believable. Even if they get some help the Shadow
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: Machine is going to put I still believe the Shadow
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: Machine would put Shelton or Bobby out for a three
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: either way. So a screwjob finish that leads into a
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: shatter machine I'm cool with that. But if it was
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: somebody like I don't know, one of the smaller teams
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: like I, just the screwjob finished would just make them
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: the week. So if they go there ll they gotta
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: be careful that and they need the winning team to
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: come out looking strong.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: The problem that I have with a screwjob finish involving
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: MJF is that naturally then you would have Shelton, Benjamin
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: and Bobby Lashley going after MJF, and that's actually gonna
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: hurt MJF in the long run. He needs to be
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: going after, you know, swer Strickland, Hankman, Adam Page, will Ospray.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: He needs to be serting himself back into the World
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Championship and other championships in AW He's one of the
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: biggest names in AAW and I'm sorry, but having him
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: languishing against Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin and a vengeance,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I guess is the best way of putting it. Storyline
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: was kind of like a waste of time to me.
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: What if this is for him to establish a new
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: group to help him achieve those goals though, So they
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: come after him and he gets back up. That's his
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: new group, and that's who he uses to help him
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: get back into the main event scene. When he does
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: use that contract to cash in, like, you can still
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: work it, you can still juice this for a little
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: bit and keep him, keep him right up there. I mean,
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: he's got that title belt, so you can insert him
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: whenever you want.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well you have that you have If they
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: do a new group, why not use part of the
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: old group.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's built right in now they owe him.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: They owe him right back. Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: The best way for MGF to screw, hurt syndicate to
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: me is for him to do nothing when he has
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to do something, Just even pretend like he's
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: he wasn't aware that acts Hardwood Hardwood was next to women,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that he could have taken them out, that kind of thing,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like an innocent but guilty thing, you know, something that
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I'm so obvious.
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: He's good at that on camera too. That's a good call, Kelson, Yeah,
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: that's lavable. You can feign ignorance in the MGF way. Yeah,
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: I think that's that's clever.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, we have the Outrunners against we have
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Outrunners again.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: We have Outrunners against.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: The Young Bucks coming up uh this week, I believe
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: right and uh there have been many reports. Even Feifel
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: even said it that the Young Books intended on putting
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: over the Outrunners several months ago, but it just wasn't
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the right time. I really do think the Outrunners are
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: coming out on top of the Young Bucks.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: I think your final is going to be the Outrunners
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: versus FTR. They're on the opposite side of each other
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: for another rematch to.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good call. Sting. I agree again.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: I said it last week we talked about this. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: still think that the MVF and hurt Cindy good thing
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: is is a is A is a play. I don't think.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: I don't think the cracks are there yet. I think
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: they're playing it up. I don't think they're gonna have
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: I don't think whoever wins this tournament's going to beat them.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: I think, and I don't know why, but I think
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: that this is gonna come down to They're gonna put
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: Cope and uh the patriarchy together and they're going to
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: give him a run at them, and they're going to
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: win by hooker, by crook and get a short little
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: run for the tag titles until Christian and them until
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: they retire. I just I just see that coming for
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: some reason.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the one interesting thing is and I
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: have to fag, you know, claim ignorance here, but because
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know which title it is, but I believe
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: on the first of August MGF is going to CML
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to wrestle for one of their singles championships. I just
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: don't know which one it is, and maybe their World championship.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: It may not be, but he is going there. So
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: that's another thing.
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: What if Mysticico screws him up and that sets him
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: against Mystico Forbidden Door and there's your international match.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, that's one of the things about Forbidden Door.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if you guys you agree with
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: me on this, but there really just doesn't seem to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: be any Forbidden doorsh matches.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: It's Forbiden Door that are even possible, you know.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they're short, there's some mid cart
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: stuff maybe, but nothing really big.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: No.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: I was wondering what was gonna happen with that? And
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: who's coming through the Forbidden Door. It doesn't seem like
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: there's anybody there.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: You feel like this is going to.
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: Be one of their short two week builds like they
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: did this two years ago where they ran like a
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: whole month of programming after whatever the like prior to
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: Forbidden Door coming off the other pay per view and
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: then did like a two week build to Forbidden Door
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: and like that's all we got.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Nobody came.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: There. Barry. It seemed to me like last year they
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: had a one month build up toward Forbidden Door and
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: then after Forbid Door they had it going for like
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: another two or three weeks. It was like a seven
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: It was like a seven week waste of time. Forbidden
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Door to me, you know, I hate being negative toward AW,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: but Forbidden Door to me is a monumental waste of time.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I've called it the great momentum killer because any moment.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that they're not even talking about
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Forbidden Door right now because they got too much going
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: on to worry about that stupid exhibition match thing they
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: got going on.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the way I feel, honestly.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Forbidden Door, I think feels more like Grand Slam Mexico
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: was this year.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Like it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: It can be just a showcase. And I thing they
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: should run a show in Japan next time. Just run
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: the show.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. They could. They could very
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: well do it all women's show, not a Forbidden Door,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: an all women's show in Japan with start of a
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: t J p W.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be great, you know, so I'd.
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: Like to see that, yeah, because I mean the problem
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: with Forbid Door is the concept initially was all these
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: dream matches we wouldn't get. But I think we've said before,
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: like a lot of that top talent is it's in
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: a w now, Yeah, and that next tier of New
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: Japan is it's going to take them in that are
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: two or three years, you know, guys like Yodasuji and
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: them to really get there. And it just doesn't with
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: Gabe Kid Hurt, like, yeah, a lot of left you know.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got the Bull Club war Dogs, you got
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: what l L Desperado. Uh Hiroshi is definitely wrestling in
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Forbidden Door. We just don't know against who.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Zach Saber Junior will show up Xaber Junior.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: And that's that's really all I can think of.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, other than Tomahiroe and Minora Suzuki, you
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: know and whatever. You know.
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: I yeah, ghetto in there. I mean, there's there's some
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: guys they can send over. It's just go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Somebody was talking I'll take a surprise NIGHTO maybe.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so there. I
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: don't think that's possible.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: But the build has been weak to your point, Telson.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to move on to something more fun.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: On Collision, we saw Max Caster do his five minute
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: open challenge for who can survive the best wrestler alive,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Anthony Bowen's answered to call, and it was very strange
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: because about a minute into the match, the heel and
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: babyface lip flopped. Anthony Bowen's is definitely the heel now
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and Max Caster, somehow, some way is now the babyface.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: But just because Max Caster is the babyface does not
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: give me any confidence that he's in all of a
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: sudden to start surviving these five minute Survive with the
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Best Wrestler Live challenges. And does anybody else think that
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the only solution, the only ending here is for the
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Acclaim to get back together.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I would like that very much. Look, I'm digging this
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: stuff that Max Caster is doing. It's very funny and
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: he's pulling it off very well. But I like both
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Max and Anthony, but they're individually, Like the Acclaimed is
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: better than the some of its parts, I think, is
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: what I was getting at. I'm trying to get at
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: that's doesn't it's a magical tag team. The fact that
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: they like have like every every week we're able to
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: like come up with a rap on the fly that
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: was guaranteed to make the crowd go oh, it was
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: so much fun. I miss them. Everybody loves the Acclaim.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see like a cheesy deathbed scene with Billy
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Gunn laying in the middle of the ring. You know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: he gets like a herd elbow, but he over sells it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And he's laying there and he grabs Max Caster's hand,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: he grabs Anthony Bowen's hands and he puts them together
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: and he says something like love one another, and then
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: he faints and he has to be carried out of
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: the ring. And the two guys just reformed her bond,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and everybody in there, you know, the stands and on
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: TV cries and you know.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: He puts their scissor fingers together.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting Missy Eye just sit here. Oh my god.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: You know, it's going to come down to probably have
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: Max come out and save Bowens from something or the
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: other way around, and that's how they're going to get
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: back together, because that's normally what they do.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I think. I don't know.
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: There was a lot of heat on the acclaim, the
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: same way people talk about mox now, Like, there was
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: a lot of people who were just done with the acclaim,
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: that they were sick of the shtick, they didn't care
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: for it. They thought their wrestling had gotten kind of bland,
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: and I was excited with the split. I knew Max
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: Caster's chant would get over. Just keep them on TV
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: doing it and it would get over. And it is
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: great now the whole shtick where the crowd nails it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: And he's like, guys, it's not very good, like, oh,
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: it's so good. But I don't think the problem is
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: their characters. It's it's been the booking. Like all they've
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: done with Max is the five Alive or the five
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: Minuts with the wrestler or whatever he calls it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: The best thing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: They did with him was something outside where he was
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: like running out and they chased him with the camera
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: and he was just talking about how this is the
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: only thing that ever mattered. Like that was some good
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: character work and they never followed up on it. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: then the same thing with Bowens, Like Bowenes is good
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: on the mic. What have they done with them so
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: like it's not him, they just they have not put
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: either of these guys in a position to be successful
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: on their singles. Run And if the solution to that
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: is them deciding they're going to feud them in a
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: program because that's the best thing to get heat and
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: for that to work is for Castor to come out
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: as the sympathetic babyface who's just a loser, when the
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: reality is that's what he is. He's just a loser.
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: He's not cheating or anything. He's just a loser, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: he's going to be a sympathetic loser and having Bowens
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: with the Frank rhymes from The Simpsons, just losing his
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: mind that people are cheering for this dastardly heel who
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: you should be booing because he's a bad person and
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: he's not me. I'm the pride of aw I'm goodie
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: two shoes Like that's a good heel gimmick too. And
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: so if they flip this and then run a program
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: that way, you can choose that and get some mileage
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: out of it and see if they can catch on
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: as singles performers. And if they do great. If they don't,
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: then revisit the acclaim. They'll have been They'll have been
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: apart long enough. I think people will be longing for
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: it at that point. But I don't want them to
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: give up on the singles runs. I think they just
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: need to give these guys something better to do.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's one of those things that it's playing
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: out on Twitter just as much as it's playing out
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: on AWTV, you know what I mean. It's one of
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: those things where, especially on Anthony Bowen's part, he's kind
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: of lost his mind over the last couple of days,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: you know, talking about Max Caster and all that kind
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: of stuff. Yeah, it's it's gonna be kind of interesting
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: to see where they do go from there. But what
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about next, and this is kind
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: of something that's important, I think, because when you look
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: at the landscape of AW, and you can even get
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: at this point compare it to WWE, if you wanted,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: AW has a lot of black and LBGTQ wrestlers that
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: are thriving in both AW and Ring of Honor, and
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I think it's fantastic, especially since you know, people have
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: been making comments that, especially on the LBGTQ side, all
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: of those people are getting fired from a from WWE.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: It seems like and AW is pushing the hell out
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: of them, and they should because they're fine wrestlers. I
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: don't think that their skin color or their sexual orientation
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: has anything to do with it, but it just so
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: happens that they're fine wrestlers. But if you look at
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the at the storylines that are going on with Max
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Caster and Anthony Bowens, the Hurt Syndicate Athena. I mean,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you're looking at a very diverse group of wrestlers here,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: and I wanted to discuss this. How do you how
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: do you guys personally feel about the strength of diversity
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: in AAW.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And again, I look.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: At it as as I said earlier with Mercedes Monett,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: her being out there doing what she's doing is bringing fans.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Today that are.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Going to be wrestlers five and ten years from now
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: wanting to come to a w When you're looking at diversity,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I think I think it's the same thing you're looking at.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: They're looking.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: These wrestlers that are like them being pushed, and that
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: means my dream is to wrestle in AW.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's the whole point of not I'm not
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: saying the.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Whole point, but I think this is a strong point
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: that can be made in what's going on in the
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: diversity of AW, especially when you look at it against WWE.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I think it's just incredible. I mean, I knew it
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: was going to be something special and different right from
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: the beginning, when you had like people like Sonny Kiss
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: and Nyla Rose front and center. I miss Sunny Kiss
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: a lot. They were just great. I hope they're doing
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: well wherever the rest are now. And I really hope
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: that Nyla decides to She says she's happy working Backstaine,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: but I'd love to see you in the ring again.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, me too.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: I can't believe I'm gonna start by leading this. I
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: think WWE gets fairly unfairly maligned with some of this
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: stuff sometimes. But I think the key difference between the
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: two promotions because I would argue that they feature a
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: lot of minorities.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: About LGTPQ people. I'm not really too familiar with much
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: of their talent, But I think the difference is just
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: aw lets them be outspoken in public about it and
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: comfortable and they can just do what they want, and
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: they can say what they want and they want to
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: say in a promo, they can. And I think that's
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: the key difference between the two promotions in general, is
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: one is very managed and there are many performers that
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: can excel and look fantastic and are very happy in that,
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: and there's another that's a little looser around the edges
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: and lets you have to figure it out yourself. In
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: some perform struggle on that and some for formers excel
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: in that. And we've seen the talent go between the
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: companies and know who does well in better environments. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: I'm glad that there is a promotion out there now
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: that lets people just exceed period. There isn't a polish
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: or a very specific way they want to frame things
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: and push a certain narrative and metrics and balance.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: It's just like who gets over, they get over.
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: It doesn't matter what you are, and that's refreshing because
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: it doesn't have to be a part of the story
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: and you don't really notice it. And that's the great
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: part of aw It's just normal now, it's not even
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: a thing anymore. It's just like this is just then.
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: It's normal, and that's unique, and I don't think we've
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: had that in wrestling to date. And wrestling has always
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: been about plamboyance and fabulous costumes and being something you're
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: not and having to pretend and then embracing who you are,
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: and a lot of that runs parallel to a lot
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: of the things the LBGTQ community has had to struggle
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: with and deal with and minorities have had to struggle
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: with and deal with. And to kind of see that
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: come full circle and wrestling and be embraced to a
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: degree and just accept it as part of life is
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: pretty neat and I'm glad they're comfortable and it doesn't
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: even seem out of the ordinary. It just seems like
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: a normal thing on TV.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, something that came to comes to mindel in this
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: discussion is this was like a like I don't know,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: like was it a year or was it two ago?
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: It was it was during that. It was during mjf's
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: like little face run as part of when he was
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: doing the thing with a better than you bebe. There
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: was a part of that and it was just like
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: a little storyline. Nobody made a huge deal about it,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: where Max Caster obviously had a crush on MJF and
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: like it was implicitly Max was definitely thinking like, how's
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: it carried over to Twitter? Like Max Caster has a
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: crush on MJF. And I'm I.
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: Remember definitely did, and I remember thinking like, wwe would
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: never they would not have the gah and as to
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: do this even though it's perfectly normal and lot there's
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: tons of gay men getting crushes on all sorts of
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: other guys all the time out in the world.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Oh it's not even that though, Jess. I mean, look,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, if how do I put this, I'm a
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: big Commander fan. I would turn into a five year
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: old girl if I saw Commander in real life, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: and he came out to me and I had an
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: opportunity to talk to him. It's not about even you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: being gay or anything like that. It's just being a fanboy,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like you're a I mean, I
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: love you.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I yeah, you know.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: You forget you forget Jess.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: They did the whole Chuck and Billy.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did do that.
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: That was that was before any of this even was
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: a thing. They had Chuck and Billy and those two
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: were put over exactly as being gay towards each other.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: That was the whole point of what WW did.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I like the I think.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: It was was it you Buried that said this is normal. Now,
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: I like, it's normal. You don't have to think about
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: it anymore because it's not a It's not a thing anymore.
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: It's not You've got Max Caster, You've got the hurt syndicate.
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: You've got Monette, you've got Willow, you've got uh, you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: you've got everybody, and nobody goes, oh, look it's a
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: black wrestler, or oh look they're gay, and they're not.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You know, they don't think about it anymore. And that's
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the best moment that is. But and when when you
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: don't have that diversity, it is noticeable, and I you know,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: look go back and look at some of these pay
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: per views over the last year of WWE, there have
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: been entire pay per views when not a single wrestler
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: of color on them.
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but how much is that people trying to see
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: what they want to see? And how much is that
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: do you think? Like on purpose, like is a huge star, Jade,
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: they're making to do huge star Rex and Perez is
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: a huge star, Damian increases a huge star, Roman is
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: a huge star like Naomi.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: That that I think.
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: Is people wanting to see some things they want to see.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: Maybe they're not featured the way we want. And I
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: think there's criticism that you can have a show that
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: that doesn't have any minorities or anybody. I think that's valid,
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: But I don't think there's how long asserted effort, you.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Know how long years like and a half years.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, people, You're absolutely right. People
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: want to see a bad thing. They're going to see it.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: There's nothing you can do to change their mind. If
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: they that there's racism in something, they're going to see that,
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: and there's absolutely nothing you can do to change that
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: person's thoughts. They're going to think that. Let them think
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: it's on them for you know, that's not on you
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: for not being It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I do think.
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: There is an era of WWE where that is a
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: valid criticism. But I think in the more modern area,
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: especially since like the oughts and stuff, I don't think
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: it's a big well I don't work there, so this
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: is just the perspective of a fan. Maybe I'm wrong,
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: but at least on TV it doesn't. I don't think
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: it's as big a problem some people want it to be,
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: although there is, there is valid criticism of some of
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: their shows, as there should be for any promotion.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I will just say this and that I'm
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: proud of a w that when I look at their
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: match cards and I see they're championships, and things like that.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: It's been pretty consistent, and I think diversity is a
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: big thing that is necessary and I just like it.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: That's it. Does anybody else have anything to say about that?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: That is being very quiet tonight, Sorry.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: I'm here. I love the diversity, and we also have
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: to remember I think sometimes, as as fans, I'm a
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: little guilty of it, kind of thinking that the only
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: other wrestlers in the world are from Japan and from Mexico.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: So we have.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Seen that there are wrestlers from all over the world
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: that are more than happy to come here and wrestle
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: and are loved by fans and showcase a lot of
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: their home country, a lot of their culture, and it's
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: it's really entertaining to see as fans. I really like it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: I like the fact that they have a lot of
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: queer wrestlers on the roster. It shows that people are different.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: I love the differences amongst people, and we're at the
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: end of the day, we are all sling fans and
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: that's just the greatest thing in the world that wrestling
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: can bring so many kinds of people together. That fare
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: one thing which is the greatness of professional wrestling. It's
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: just fantastic. I'm glad that AAW was really able to
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: bring this out and to to bring us all together.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: It's really well said.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really well said. I want to I want to
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: switch gears here because this is something else that I've
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: noticed in AAW and I'm sure you guys have to
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: and that in the booking, a lot more attention is
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: being given to the mid card wrestlers, not only as
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: just random matches, but actual feuds and storylines going on
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: that don't even have titles attached to them. And I
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: personally think that's fantastic. And I wanted to get your,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: uh your your opinions on this. I mean, go ahead, okay, yes, yeah, okay,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: you're well jet stop because your MIC is all screwed
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: up again.
• 47:19
  Speaker 9: I'll say something like I remember during like the Attitude era,
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: it was like that whole feud with Rock and Stone
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: Cold for the Icy Belt that was mid card stuff.
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: And I really love that and I like that they're
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: doing that in AW.
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: Now, and I I'm all for that, man, like, even
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: if it's not for a belt like the Max Caster
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: and Anthony Bowen stuff, that assume that's mid card stuff,
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: and like you have like I want to see Josh
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: Alexander get out there on TV more and who's that.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: The Bruce go there?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: He's on TV more.
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: I like that he's I don't know, i'd say he's
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: a mid carter yeah as well, but yeah, I like
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: seeing that. It's just more TV time for those guys.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have to build storylines around everything
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: that you do, because just doing storylines for the championships
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: makes everything else basically squash matches because they're meaningless.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I don't like the squash match. Yeah, but I mean
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: a ten minute, fifteen minute match can still be a
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: squash match when you know that there's nothing involved in it,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, there's no.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Stakes to it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: You brought up Mexican, not Max, Max Maxwell, Jacob Friedman
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: and Mark Brisco. There's been no belts really involved in that.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: It's just an all out just I don't like you,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: you don't like me. Let's let's uh, let's go for it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a grudge matches. Job with that.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: In the women's division as.
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: Well, somebody had mentioned the attitude or was that you
• 49:07
  Speaker 8: Steve a second ago?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: That was me?
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it was God I can't believe I'm
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: using this as an example. I think it was Vince
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: Russo talking about when he was booking WWE, they tried
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: to get everybody on TV each week and the mantras,
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: give somebody, give them something to do.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: If it was two heels in the background talking to
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: each other, two faces, you'd see that often, but they'd
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: get everybody on TV. And I keep coming back to
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: Harley Cameron as an example of this. It's like, if
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: you want to get mid card talent over, keep them
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: on TV. They don't have to win, but you got
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: to give us a reason and rude or care for him.
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: And a lot of these these three and format or
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: these six and eight man tags that they've been doing
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: has been replacing the squash matches they used to do.
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: And what happens, well, typically it's two bigger characters that
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: are feuding and they're teamed up with their allies or
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: in the case of bad guys, just another group of
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: bad guys, and that kind of reminds people and reinforces
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: the face first, the heel stuff and what have they
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: done in these matches? And I Thinkkelson just mentioned it
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: is yeah, you got the two main names in the
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: matches it's built around. But then you got these other
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: guys plugged in that you start feuds up. And I
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: come back to like Theckla and Aminada, their whole feud
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: has been done in the ring. There's been no promos
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: really for that. It's just been they got thrown into
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: an eight woman or six women tag or whatever and
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: started beating the crap out of each other.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: And no, there's no belt involved, just a good old
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: fashioned grudge match.
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: But you keep them on TV, give them a chance
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: to get over, give us the reason that care for
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: these two people beat the crap out of each other.
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: You don't, And then now you've.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Got people who are over.
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: And when you need to cycle somebody anew for a
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: championship run, there you go. You got you got that
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: next year of people ready to go.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Yep. I mean, And Harley Cameron is probably coming back
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: soon because she's been doing a little bit of vignettes lately,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: both on AW programming and behind the scenes, so that's
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: good news again.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Like you had the Max.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Gaster and and Anthony Bowens thing that has no belts
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: involved in it, there's plenty of stuff going on you know,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the the tag team thing. The tag team tournament kind
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: of puts something on it. But the Outrunners and Young
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Bucks have been brewing for a while, you know, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: just because it's culminating, I guess in a tag team
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: tournament doesn't mean that they didn't plant the seed. So
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: that this match has extra meaning to it, and it's
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: not just just just not a tournament match. It's a
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: it's got a little bit more meaning to it. That's
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: that's what we need. But you can overdo it as well.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: You can't have the same people fighting in meaningful matches
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: over and over again, and he would if you keep
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: doing it. It kind of takes away from it. A
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: lah hang Mananda Page and John Moxley tonight on Dynamite.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of people say that they
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: don't really understand why they're doing this match.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I kind of get it.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: I think it was Barrier you said it earlier. Was
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: they're doing this match to put the final not I
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: don't want to say nail the coffin, but a finality
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to the storyline that yes Page is the champion and
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: John Moxley cannot beat hang Man Adam Paige. Now if
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Moxley wins tonight, then it kind of just throws everything
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: under the bus.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: I also like what Ricochet is doing. I just I
• 52:53
  Speaker 9: just love his heel character so much.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, and he's not in a title picture.
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: No, Ricochet is a great mid card heel, Like there
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: is a lost art of mid card heels that can
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: get heat, they can make make baby faces look great,
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: they know how to get people over and then that's
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: who you pluck that that main event terry heel from.
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: But there is a lost art of the mid card
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: heeled and Ricochet is perfectly in that role. Like it's
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: been so much fun.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Killing it, yeah, killing it. Yeah, Jess, when you've been
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: talking and you sound like a space alien, a drunk
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: space and alien.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, go ahead and leave the chair.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just look, don't try to talk, uh, but just
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: go ahead and leave the channel completely and come back
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: and see if that rectifies the situation. I mean, go
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: right out of discord completely then come back.
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: Sounded like fifteen feet away from.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: The mic last time I did it, I think she
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: had yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, so look. The important thing to me
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: is that aw, especially in twenty twenty five, has gotten
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: so much better with storylines, and a lot of that
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: has to do with the storylines in the mid card
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: because it sets up championship storylines down the line. You know,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: That's the way I look at it. Let's see, let's
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: see what just sounds like?
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Hi, can you hear me? Now?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Oh? Much better?
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Thank you? No, I was just going to concur with
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: the MJF and and Mark Brisco MJF is actually very
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: good at this. He is excellent at saying something so
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: utterly vile, making him pay for what he said becomes
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: very legitimate stakes.
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you're spot on. That's how you that's
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: how you can introduce stakes to something and not have
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: a title on the line or you know, a stupid
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: cash game. It is a lost art, Jess. That was
• 55:19
  Speaker 8: part of what made us root against Heels. It wasn't
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: always to see them lose the title. It was because
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: we hated them because they did something dastardly. And there
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: isn't a lot left in wrestling today that can do that.
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: And m jeff is one of the ones that just
• 55:33
  Speaker 8: we want to see him get his come up and
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: for just something just vile that he did. And uh,
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: and I think you're spot on with that.
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: Well, didn't he say like the wrong brother died.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Or something like that.
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: Jeez, man, yeah, it was it was bad.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: He said it twice, I did, he did. Yeah.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I can't believe we're laughing about the wrong brother died.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I know, yeah, for a whole different reason though. Look,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: let's go ahead out to our pot pourrix and I know, Jess,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: you had a pote prie that you had posted about
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: about something that you read over it greatness or wrestling.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: I do it was actually a discussion I am the
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: first discussion I took part in. Over there, someone had
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: mentioned like, why are there no managers anymore? And me
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: and a couple of other people were quick to point
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: out that a e o U has managers for days.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: But not only do they have a lot of managers,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: every single manager they have is very good at what
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: they do.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, what if you have Stokely Hathaway,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Prince Nana, you have MVP Don Kallus.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Oh definitely, and don't forget smart Mark Sterling.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can put Shane Taylor in there. Heck,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: can you put Shane Taylor? Do you got to put
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Chris Jericho in there too? Although I think Chris Jericho
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: has lost his family, has lost this tree because if
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: did you notice Brian Keith is no longer being referred
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: to as the bad Apple.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Really, it's been a long time since anybody's called Bill
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: the Redwood.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: He's uh yeah, those are gonna get us push starting
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: in Scotland.
• 57:42
  Speaker 10: Watch.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Oh you know he's I mean, they love him over you,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: they love.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Him, they love him.
• 57:48
  Speaker 8: He's going to be They should make him that That
• 57:50
  Speaker 8: is if Tony, if you are going to pick a
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: moment for the push for him to start, that is
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: where it happens, because he will be more over there
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: than anywhere else in the next six months.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yep, I I totally. That was one of the best
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: things were they were in Wales Cardiff. Yeah, yeah, and
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: that whole thing with Big Bill was absolutely one of
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: the best things I've ever seen. It rest like that was.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: Just didn't they cheer him at Grand Slam New Zealand
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: what do they call the one in New Zealand or no,
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: Australia Grand Slam Australia, I don't remember. I think they
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: cheered the heck out. That was like the first time
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: I think overseas, like, yeah, I think that fact. There
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: was another place overseas where he was super over.
• 58:36
  Speaker 12: But it was just his he's so good, he's so
• 58:41
  Speaker 12: good and and his reaction worship perfect.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: His reactions were perfect.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And he's so good on the mic.
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: He's good looking, he's got a good move set, he
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: works safe, he knows.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: How to make people look good. I don't know if
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: there's something else on them back, but like, man, it's
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I'm to let him. Give him a run. Dude, just
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: give him a run.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: You know what you meant. I think it was you
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: to mention it before.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: You know, the problem with Big Bill is that he's
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: just too damn big. Yeah, there's nobody, you know, the
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: top guys can't realistically match up against him.
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: The storyline for that that type of thing is you
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: got to tire him out. And that's I think, what
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: if FDR takes on the hurt syndica, that's you know
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: what we're going on a tangent. Never mind, let's get back.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: To Yeah, yeah, Jess with the managers. You know, as
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: someone that does not watch w W as well, do
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: they even have any managers in w W A I
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: think so.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Paul Hayman, Yeah, I would go with him.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's a wise man. I guess it's the
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: same thing.
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: They have a lot of factions where the leader kind
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: of does them managing and stuff. Yeah, like yeah, you know,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: they do it a little different there, but they have
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: like that kind of figurehead.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: It's just an active performer in a lot of instances.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think, like somebody remarked in the thread that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: like it was because Vince hated me, actually hated managers
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: the same way he hated tag teams. So that's why
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: you sort of saw both of them decline.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: But he had Jimmy Hart with.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: A leaders.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Was making money. Man, that's automatics.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess does anybody else have a potpourri?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I got a quick one?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: So I waspartner around on YouTube and I don't know
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: if it's will Osprey's old YouTube account or somebody that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: just had his name back then, but it's like a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: thirteen year old video and it's him and a gymnasium
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: with I guess some friends. Well, backflip from the turn
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: buckle into the ring is full of like foam cubes,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: but he does a double shooting star press like right
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 8: on and he would have landed on the mat. I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: don't know if he could, if it's possible to land
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: that on a person, but it's insane, and like he's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 8: a teenager in this, like like fifteen sixteen, probably.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little older than that.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 8: Like I said, the videos like thirteen years old. But
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: if you get a chance, go go look it up
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: on YouTube. It's like fifteen seconds long and it's bonkers.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, I have to send the link if you could
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: still find it.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's in my history. I'll post it up
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: in the discord if I can take it up.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do that, you.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: See. I hate saying this because I love him so much,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: But now that Kenny's career is starting to wind down,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: I think there's a case to be made for will
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Osprey being the best wrestler in the world.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Now that's been the case for probably two years.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Is it Kenny or is it Will? But yeah, I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: think it's Will.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Now. The thing that I've seen pointed out by w
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: W fans about will Osprey, and I actually have to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: agree with it, is that he's he's a very athletic wrestler.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: The things he can do in the ring are astounding,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: and especially when you put him in with the likes
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: of Swerve, Strickland, Kenny Omega something like that. You're you know,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: you're going to get an athletic multi move counters match
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: over the top even but where he lacks. And I'm
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: saying this as an Osprey fan, but I get what
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: WWE fans are saying about Will Osprey is the lack
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: of selling. He could get absolutely dropped on his head
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: and pop right up and do a Tiger Driver, you know,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: and that just shouldn't happen. And I agree with them
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: on that because he does it a lot on in
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: every single match he does. He doesn't sell. He doesn't sell. Yet, yes,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: to get better at selling.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: One spot in the match, like he does the fighting
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: spirit too much. Yeah, like they did on the tag
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: match It All In, Like they built the one fighting
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: spirit where they got up after the sequence and did
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: the blade swerve or the house call at the same
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: time and then they collapse like that's perfect. He does
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: it two or three times in some matches exactly.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm talking about. And when you when
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: I posted that particular segment from from All In on
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: the Greatness a wrestling webs Greatness a wrestling subreddit they
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: didn't watch the whole twenty twenty five minute match, however
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: long it was. They saw that they were like this,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: that's stupid. You've got you know.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 8: It was like, it's not like no sell spots is
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: a new thing, Like it's been done forever, Like like
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: you can go through the tape and there's Stone Cold
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: in the Rock and brock Lesener and Underlake.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: That's it's not a new thing.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Well, who came back from well, I don't want to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: say that, but who came back in matches more often
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: by no selling than whole Cogan? Yeah, shot out, flat
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: out down and out right on the break, and then
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: he would get up and just point.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: That the fighting spirit, like the calling attention to it
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: like they do in Japan. That's a very Japanese thing
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: that they've brought, like that's why it stands out and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: like a lot of the older no selling. But it's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: like like, no, it's a valid criticism. I don't really
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: care myself. Some people get worked up about it, and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: I think it's valid. But I do think that the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: fighting spirit spots he doesn't.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, here's the thing is that you know
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: special you know, one of the biggest complaints was though,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: is that like will Ospray just got dropped on his
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: head and now he's back on his feet doing a move. Well,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: first of all, he didn't really get dropped on his head,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: because if he had gotten dropped on his head from
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: ten feet up in the air, he definitely wouldn't be
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: getting up and doing a move. You know, it's wrestling,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: it's art, it's it's theater, it's you know, play fighting
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: in your underpants. I mean, come on, yes, they are
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: the reason why they're so impressive is that they're not
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: killing each other out there, and they're able to pull
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: these tremendously athletic moves off without getting their next broken
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: and everything like that on a like every single match.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, do these guys watch the John Wick movies?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: And really is just not realistic.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: I'm leaving and they just get out when they're like
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: double popcorn or whatever and leave, like, come on, man,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: it's a stunt show.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: It's a movie you get to watch live. Get over
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: the cell.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: You know, you know what when you're when you're talking
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: about that, this is something interesting. Have you ever have
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: any have any the movies, The Bourne Identity, the Bourn
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: All the Bourne movies, the Jason Bourne movies. Right, they're
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: action packed movies, right, but they're based on books.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: In the books, one punch and that's it.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: They're done.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: And they did an.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Interview with Robert Ludemo was the author of these Born books,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: and they say, why do your fights end like that?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Because if you standing there and you get punched in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: the face, square in the nose, you're not gonna be
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: able to get up and start doing flips, you know,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: and then fighting, you know, you're done. What punch, you're done,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: depending on the punch, you know. And and that's you know,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: but that's taking it literal in you know, in that sense.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: But wrestling is not literal. Yeah, it never has been.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a visual medium. You know.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: A book is not a visual medium. You need to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: you need to add panache, you need to make it vibrant,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 8: you need to make it you have to. You have
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: to show motional and that's what they do. It's faster now,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: you know. I look at will Ospbury matches from a
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 8: few years ago to the work he does today. I
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: prefer today now that he's slowed down. I thought, you know,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: when he was younger, it was great, But I think
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: his work's better now, and it's going to get better
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: now that he's even a little banged up and he's
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: starting to realize he's mortal and slows it down a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: little bit. It's going to make the stuff he does
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: seem more important. Right, Like you said, it's sake. Who cares?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: The point is to entertain you? Are you entertained?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Great? And who cares? You know?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, if if Big Bill gave
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: you a clothes line off the ropes, would you be
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: standing up?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: You'll be dead, You'd be gone, You've been done.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: You're not cold.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: You know, anybody gives a clothes line to somebody's neck,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: they're gonna get hurt.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even need to be Big Bill.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Like even if you have a close light to the chest,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just like you're still gonna go down.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be like, you know, you're gonna be like,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: did I.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Just have a heart attack here? You know what's going
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: on here?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Your lungs are collapsed and everything. You know, you can't
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: look at wrestling matches as anything but athletic art.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I love it, but let's face it.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: You know, you get popped in the face, and wrestling
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: is differently getting popped in the face in a fight.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: You ever watch the real life fights, you know, even
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: involving wrestlers where they're fighting somebody in real life or
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: just really out on the street or whatever, they don't
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: look the same. You know.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: You get popped and.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: Or down and they're like unconscious looks like yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 8: Like MMA is like some people love it. I get
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: it's real, but it's boring. Like I want to see
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: people doing flips and ship.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: That's why. You know, if you get hit hard enough,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: they do flips and git.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like you know, I like, I understand people who
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: enjoy MMA. It's not my jam. I can appreciate a
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: good fight at like a good boxing match. It's different.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: I think the pacing for boxing appeals a little bit
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 8: better to me than MMA because it's so grappling based.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 8: But like, unless you're like really into it, it's like golf,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 8: you have to understand that or no, I'm sorry, it's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: like pitching in baseball. To really get into you need
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 8: to understand the particulars and why grips and like it's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: a very technical MMA is a very technical sport now,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: and like, I just want to.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: See people beating each other up. And if it's fate,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: it's fate. Who cares. I don't want to see people
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: like inn a pretzel for forty five minutes.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I like to see a thousand chops in
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: the corner.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like to see just ridiculous stuff.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, don't even give me.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: Well, that's somebody on the TV going but he's unconscious,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: Like what do you do?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Eddie. That's one thing about Eddie Kingston.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: He can hit a thousands chops in like thirty seconds. Yeah,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: of course, I have no mark, no marks on the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: other guy's chest. But he's got a bunch of bruises
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: on his thigh. But I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: Leave it alone.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, man, if you're going to pull off a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: believable chop and you don't leave a mark on the
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: guy and everybody and she like beat the heck out
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: of him, then you're doing a good job man.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I love it what I see a
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: chop and the other guy's bleeding from his chest after
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: like four.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Or five chops.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: But if you're bleeding from your thigh or something wrong.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, he's menstruating again, you know, didn't.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: The Young Bucks have a mean ones at being the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: elite where they were walking backstage and they had their
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 8: thighs wrapped in ice, and there's like, what was you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: why are your thighs wrapped? And they're like, oh, we
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: had to do a lot of super We did a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: lot of super kicks in the last match because they
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 8: did like ten or twelve. But and they you know,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: for smacking the thigh when they did it, and so
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: that's why they had the.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Ice is to ice down where they were smacking.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: I think that was them. I'm pretty sure it was.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: It might have not been, but I think it was
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 8: a I think it was them.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: That's why the.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: Lost cerential humor they do.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's why I love stiff matches, because when
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: somebody punches somebody like in the chest or kicks them
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: in the chest and instead of going slap, it goes thud.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I love that, you know, so drown a.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Good punch is a lost art man.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: There's a couple of guys in the eighties and nineties
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: who threw really good punches and there aren't many left now.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: And to your point, kelsonink if they can do it
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: and either with a certain type of stomp they get
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 8: that thud, or they can do it where it just
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: hits the chest right that it doesn't hurt their performer
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 8: they're working with, but it makes that sound.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just it feels good to hear,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why, like I you're familiar with Julia right
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: from WWE. She's famous for her head butts right at
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: her head butts, like she literally just head butts and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: there you know, she had butts them all of a sudden.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: It's like Job Boxley getting forked by Hagman added page.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: She's standing there and her opponent is as bleeding profusely
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: from the forehead of the nose. Is Julia has a
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: short temper. And if you get a receipt from Julia,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: You're gonna get a receipt from Julia. And I'm waiting
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: for that to happen at w W because people are
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: gonna lose their minds when she got no no, not
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: with her head butts her head. Go look at Julia,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Go look at just probably there's a video that says,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Julia has Julia's head butts, and just go watch her.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: You can see how she does it in retaliation to
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: somebody to maybe hit her a little bit too hard
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  Speaker 3: or at a wrong spot like in the throat or something,
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  Speaker 3: and she had to butch them in their Next thing
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  Speaker 3: you see is the whole person's face is just erupted.
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  Speaker 3: It's a crimson mask, you know, because Julia doesn't give
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  Speaker 3: a shit, you know, So that's something to keep in mind. There,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: anybody else have a potporie? All right, then, so I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: guess we'll end the show for tonight. We'll be back
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  Speaker 3: later on tonight on the UH Wrestling Hub discord. I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: almost forgot what our discord was named for, Ollie Talk.
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  Speaker 3: That's right after aw Dynamite. We start the show right
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  Speaker 3: after aw Dynamite, and just come on up and have
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: some fun and review aw Dynamite with us, because hey,
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  Speaker 3: this card, I mean, not only we have John Moxley
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: and Hangman Adam Page, We've got Tony Storm and Alex
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  Speaker 3: Windsa against Athena and Billy Starks.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to be a war.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: And more so, Young Box of the Outrunners got some
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: pretty interesting stuff going on. So join us for all
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  Speaker 3: we talk right after Dynamite. So for the aw fan
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  Speaker 3: on podcast team, this is Kelson. Good night everybody, Later
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  Speaker 3: Tators than Guys.