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The Rita Panahi Show | 12 June · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scorn leads Ostrodia. This is the Wider Panalkey Show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, and welcome to the Rita Paney Show. Coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight.
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Speaker 3: The ORCA still in disarray as the.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister prepares to meet with President Trump. Ni Kata
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Speaker 2: will be here to cover the day's top headlines. Boxing
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Speaker 2: legend Jeff Beennick loses it when an elaborate prank almost
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Speaker 2: goes wrong. The Great Josh Hammer will have the latest
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Speaker 2: from the US, including Kim Kardashin coming out in support
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Speaker 2: of illegal immigrants and copying a swift fact check from
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Speaker 2: Homeland Security. And later in the hour, I'll speak to
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Speaker 2: an international security professor on why these riots could be
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Speaker 2: considered domestic terrorism and left He's losing It shows that
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Speaker 2: stupid questions deserve brutal answers.
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Speaker 4: So if there were peaceful protests on Saturday for the
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Speaker 4: Jelatine parade, President Trump.
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Speaker 5: Would allow that.
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Speaker 6: Of course, the President supports peaceful protest. What a stupid question,
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Speaker 6: rickw thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Mensis Research Center Senior fellow Nick Cata.
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Speaker 1: Nick.
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Speaker 2: The ABC has followed Channel ten this week in acting
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Speaker 2: its flagship.
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Speaker 3: Current affairs talk show Q and A.
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Speaker 2: The Public Broadcaster today announced that the program will not
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Speaker 2: be returning to screens after eighteen years on air.
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Speaker 3: May mean around forty job.
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Speaker 2: Losses, and this is just days after Tends the project
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Speaker 2: met a similar fate. Nick, that's two lefty talkfests gone
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Speaker 2: in a week. And we've also seen the ABC get
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Speaker 2: rid of the drum back in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: Is there any.
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Speaker 2: Danger the Public Broadcaster may actually produce a current affairs
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Speaker 2: program that is not a lefty echo chamber that has
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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe a conservative host or some conservative producers.
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Speaker 1: Not whatsoever REATA.
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Speaker 7: And of course the fact that they do pack the
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Speaker 7: channel with lefties actually become self reinforcing after a while,
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Speaker 7: because people like me decide I did some years ago,
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Speaker 7: that it really wasn't worth my time going and playing
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Speaker 7: second fiddle to a transgender climate activist.
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Speaker 1: In front of an audience that hates you, just to.
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Speaker 7: Be rewarded with some warm beer and cold pizza in
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Speaker 7: the green room, No thank you, So I won't miss it.
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Speaker 7: I noticed that my friend Greg Sheridan wrote a very
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Speaker 7: nostalgic piece about how he's going to miss the show,
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Speaker 7: But then he was always much more tolerant and dealing
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Speaker 7: with these mad people than I was.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, their idea of diverse views or being unbiased
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Speaker 2: is to have a token conservative on a big panel
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Speaker 2: who becomes the punching bag for the night, who the
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Speaker 2: other guests, the host, the audience can all kick around.
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Speaker 2: And that's their idea of balance. I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: a massive broadcast receives more than a billion dollars of
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Speaker 2: our tax money every single year.
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Speaker 3: You know the ABC.
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Speaker 2: Well, how many conservative center right hosts would they have
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Speaker 2: across the whole network? We're talking TV, radio, their online publications?
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Speaker 3: How many do you know of?
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Speaker 7: I don't think I know of any confirmed out and
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Speaker 7: out out and proud, loud and proud conservatives on the abs.
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Speaker 3: Out of the cause.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't say, let me.
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Speaker 7: Just I will just say there are a number of
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Speaker 7: people who whose journalism I respect, But none of them
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Speaker 7: you'd really think were liberal voters.
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Speaker 2: Now to Victoria police rejecting State Corogner John Kayne's recommendation
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Speaker 2: to lead domestic violence victims when their ex partners are
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Speaker 2: released from jail, saying the force does not have the
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Speaker 2: resources to do so. Victoria police also say that many
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Speaker 2: victims would have changed their numbers or be screening their
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Speaker 2: calls now. This proposal from the coroner came after forty
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Speaker 2: nine year old Norlee Dalzell's abusive ex partner, James Fairhall,
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Speaker 2: stabbed her to death in front of their three children
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Speaker 2: inside her Seaford home in twenty twenty after.
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Speaker 3: He was released from jail.
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Speaker 2: Miss Dalzell's family say that if an alert system had
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Speaker 2: been in place, she might still be alive today.
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Speaker 3: Nick, this is all happening while Victoria Police.
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Speaker 2: All has all sorts of staffing issues. They are about
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Speaker 2: eleven hundred officers down. They're expecting to lose more offices
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year. Morale is said to
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Speaker 2: be low. But really, this is a proposal that should
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Speaker 2: be in place. It's just a practical measure that will
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Speaker 2: allow women to take extra precautions for their own safety.
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Speaker 7: How underdresourced do you have to be not to be
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Speaker 7: able to make a five minute phone call to a
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Speaker 7: victim of domestic violence? So I don't get it reached.
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Speaker 7: And because over the years the Victorian government has boasted
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Speaker 7: about the amount of money that it's dedicated to fighting
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Speaker 7: domestic violence, the police have gone as I understand it
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Speaker 7: a dedicated unit to do just that.
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Speaker 1: So why aren't they actually.
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Speaker 7: Fighting domestic violence instead of going around I guess with
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Speaker 7: propaganda classes for police and everybody else telling them that
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Speaker 7: all men are bad people. You know, it's just the
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Speaker 7: action does not meet the rhetoric as usual with this government.
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Speaker 2: It is just so disappointing because this seems to be
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Speaker 2: a really practical measure that could help save women, at
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Speaker 2: least giving them the awareness to be extra careful, perhaps
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Speaker 2: just take extra precautions they otherwise would not take. Now,
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Speaker 2: let's talk about Gosford Hospital on the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: central coast. They have been criticized for their confusing and
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Speaker 2: dangerous emergency department signs. The hospital has put up signs
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Speaker 2: using Aboriginal words to show where its emergency department and
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Speaker 2: resuscitation base are located. Alongside their English translations. They're using
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Speaker 2: terms like sick, k even bring back, and then they've
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Speaker 2: got the English signs underneath that. Let's have a look
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Speaker 2: at ben Fordham's report on this.
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Speaker 8: An ambulance paramedic is raising concerns about confusing Indigenous signs
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Speaker 8: in hospitals. For example, one sign says bagel barrong. What
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Speaker 8: does bageal barrong mean? It means sick cave. What does
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Speaker 8: sick cave mean? It means emergency department. Imagine if you're
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Speaker 8: a busy ambo looking for the ED, there's another sign
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Speaker 8: that says mana gulloring bulga, which means bring back, and
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Speaker 8: bring back means resuscitation bays. Why can't we just call
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Speaker 8: them resuscitation bays and the emergency department?
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Speaker 3: Nick?
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Speaker 2: This stuff is just getting more absurd bring back. If
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Speaker 2: you're an ambulance officer or a parent in a panic, really,
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Speaker 2: do you need to have three different signs, two of
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Speaker 2: them which are nonsensical to you?
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Speaker 7: I've done the mass on this ron rito. And there
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Speaker 7: are seventeen thousand Ooriginal people on the New South Wales
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Speaker 7: central coast. The proportion nationally that speak an indigenous language
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Speaker 7: is less than ten percent. So let's say that's seventeen
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Speaker 7: hundred people who speak an indigenous language, and of course
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Speaker 7: there's one hundred and fifty indigenous languages. But just just
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Speaker 7: pretend for a moment that let's just pretend for a
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Speaker 7: moment that they all have to speak this particular indigenous language.
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Speaker 7: That'ser point, not three percent of the Gosford population who
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Speaker 7: might potentially benefit from this, whose rights might be protected,
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Speaker 7: as opposed to half a million others who risk their
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Speaker 7: rights they don't no longer have the right that We
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Speaker 7: certainly are not blundering into an operating theater in the
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Speaker 7: middle of an operation thinking it's to gentlemen's toilet.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is just bar me. It's bar me,
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Speaker 1: really reta and the only.
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Speaker 3: Way it is.
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Speaker 2: You said, there's more than one hundred and fifty languages.
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Speaker 2: There are also many more dialects. So the actual number
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Speaker 2: of people who would be able to have any sort
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Speaker 2: of benefit from those signs is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing is just beyond But this
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Speaker 2: is what happens when the bureaucracy is captured by the
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Speaker 2: activist class. They just keep pushing this agenda and pushing
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Speaker 2: it until people call it out. Meanwhile, we've got another
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Speaker 2: embryo mix up by Minash IVF just within two months.
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Speaker 2: We've had multiple cases and that's prompted calls for more
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Speaker 2: regulation and IVF campaigners have also suggested that children born
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Speaker 2: through assisted reproduction should be subjected to DNA testing. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's going to make a lot of parents who've used
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Speaker 2: IVF very nervous nick to suggest that their kids should
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Speaker 2: be DNA tested to make sure there hasn't been some
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Speaker 2: sort of a bungle. I don't know if you'd even
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Speaker 2: want to know.
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Speaker 1: No, it's horrible, thoughts.
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Speaker 7: Isn't it that there would be routine DNA testing to
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Speaker 7: prove that point. Surely these companies that conduct it should
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Speaker 7: can put in place what I assume would be pretty
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Speaker 7: simple but rigorous processes to make sure this sort of
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Speaker 7: nonsense doesn't happen. I'm not a big fan of regulation,
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Speaker 7: as you know RETA. Normally I argue for removing regulation,
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Speaker 7: not putting it in place. But in this case, I
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Speaker 7: think this does need to be a very heavily regulated
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Speaker 7: process because of the sensitivities involved.
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Speaker 3: Now let's get the latest on orcas.
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Speaker 2: The Pentagon has ordered a review into the program to
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Speaker 2: see how it advances the Trump Administration's America First agenda.
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Speaker 2: The review will reportedly be led by longtime ORCUS skeptic
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Speaker 2: L Breach Colby and comes days after US Defense Secretary
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Speaker 2: Pete Hegseeth called on Australia to lift its defense spending
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Speaker 2: to three point five percent of GDP something their Prime
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Speaker 2: minister has straight out refused to entertain. Now, former Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and ORCUS hater Malcolm Turnbull had this to say
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Speaker 2: on X. He wrote, the UK is conducting a review
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Speaker 2: of aucers, the usdod is conducting a review of workers,
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Speaker 2: but Australia, which has the most at stake, has no review.
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Speaker 2: Our parliament to date has been the least curious and
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Speaker 2: least informed. Time to wake up. He also said there
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Speaker 2: is literally a denial of reality in Canberra. I have
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Speaker 2: sat with senior officials in our Defense establishment and said
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Speaker 2: to them, what is your plan if we don't get
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Speaker 2: any Virginia class submarines from the US. They have looked
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Speaker 2: back at me and said we will get the submarines.
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Speaker 2: This is like saying I'm going to have a party
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Speaker 2: in the garden on Sunday and you say to me,
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Speaker 2: what will you do if it rains? And I look
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Speaker 2: back at you and say it won't rain. We do
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Speaker 2: love a Malcolm Turnbull analogy on this program, NICKA, Now
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Speaker 2: have it out, ben easy.
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Speaker 3: He's got a lot on.
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Speaker 2: His plate in anticipation for this meeting with the US president.
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Speaker 2: If he does get that meeting, there's ucas there's the
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Speaker 2: trade deal, there's all sorts of talk around China.
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Speaker 3: But the question has to be asked, Nick, why would.
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Speaker 2: The US agree to be our policeman, to be our
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Speaker 2: protector in the region if we can't even commit to
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Speaker 2: increasing spending on our own defense like so many other
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Speaker 2: allies have.
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Speaker 7: Well, for once, I think I'll agree with Malcolm Turnbul
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Speaker 7: on this, that defense has been just walking along blindly
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Speaker 7: pretending everything's going to turn out right instead of actually
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Speaker 7: looking at this closely. And so's el but easy for
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Speaker 7: that matter, you know how quick he was to sort
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Speaker 7: of aily dismiss the suggestions we should go to three
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Speaker 7: percent defense spending. And guess what, Malcolm Turnbull, for once
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Speaker 7: is also on the same side as the Trump administration.
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Speaker 1: Who would have thought it? But basically, you know, basically
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Speaker 1: we must.
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Speaker 7: This shows that a three percent minimum three percent defense spending,
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Speaker 7: in my view, is an imperative, not a nice to have.
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Speaker 7: And with that money we can actually pay the US
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Speaker 7: for their side, which presumably will be built in the US,
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Speaker 7: which is where they want things to happen, so it
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Speaker 7: will be a win win for the United States. And
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Speaker 7: of course, whatever their horizons with their defense policy, it
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Speaker 7: will help the United States enormously to know that this
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Speaker 7: region can be protected from bad actors.
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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump and Jigping have reached a new trade deal.
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Speaker 2: The US will allow Chinese students into its colleges and
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Speaker 2: universities in exchange for Beijing removing export restrictions on rare
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Speaker 2: earths and magnets.
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Speaker 1: Nick.
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Speaker 3: Things are progressing, I.
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Speaker 2: Think as the Trump administration would like in this area.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I guess we always held out the
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Speaker 7: hope that these tariff threats were much more a bargaining
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Speaker 7: tool to get other countries to come to the table
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Speaker 7: on other things, rather than a serious economic measure to
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Speaker 7: increase the national wealthall or whatever, because I really don't
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Speaker 7: think that economic fundamentals allow that if you put tariffs
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Speaker 7: on then you inevitably increase prices. And it's the people
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Speaker 7: who are who are who are in the end suffer
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Speaker 7: from this, your own, your own consumers. So but yes,
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Speaker 7: I mean, well done with this. I'm not sure that
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Speaker 7: I would. I still would like a president who perhaps
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Speaker 7: was a little bit more accommodating and a bit less unpredictable.
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Speaker 7: I suppose Rita. But then I'm old fashioned like that.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't say Donald Trump is terribly predictable, but
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Speaker 2: he is all about America first, so that seems to
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Speaker 2: be the priority there. Before you go, I want to
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Speaker 2: get your take on a video we showed on Left
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Speaker 2: is Losing It last night. It continues to make headlines
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Speaker 2: and stirred debate, particularly across the US. Let's have a
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Speaker 2: look at these white leftist activists mocking a black woman
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Speaker 2: who just wants to go to work.
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Speaker 4: I could just know here, how is it the people
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Speaker 4: protest that there's.
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Speaker 5: Not feel about starting a black woman from going to work?
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Speaker 6: Oh no, not.
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Speaker 8: Care.
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Speaker 5: So you don't care about starting black people from going
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Speaker 5: to work?
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Speaker 2: Of course, these are the anti Trump, anti ice protesters
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Speaker 2: that in New York City. There the sense of entitlement
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Speaker 2: of these protesters is something to behold.
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Speaker 6: Nick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been wondering for a while.
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Speaker 7: Actually, whether left He's Losing It is the right title
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Speaker 7: for your segment, actually, because you're generously assuming that actually
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Speaker 7: had something in the first place to lose, like a
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Speaker 7: bit of moral decency for instance, or some intelligence. I mean,
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Speaker 7: this is just the usual the usual thing, isn't it?
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Speaker 7: Everything based say they stand for, whether it's standing shoulder
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Speaker 7: to shoulder with people of color or whatever else so
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Speaker 7: prepared to throw away just for the next virtue signaling exercise.
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Speaker 1: It's pathetic.
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Speaker 7: It's actually atrocious and uncivilized behavior in my view, and
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Speaker 7: I wish we could stop them, but it seems not.
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Speaker 2: We're going to have a lot more on the riots
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Speaker 2: across the US with Josh Hammer after the break, Nikita,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Now before the break, let's have a laugh. This is good,
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Speaker 3: clean fun boxing legend.
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Speaker 2: Jeff Fenick has been targeted with an elaborate prank, a
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Speaker 2: hilarious prank where his house was auctioned off without his knowledge.
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Speaker 2: This is the work of Osmond oz Abu Mallik and
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Speaker 2: boxer Billy Dibb.
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Speaker 3: His hat went down.
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Speaker 9: Toot pipe pipe would have been a good bit thirty
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Speaker 9: five years ago, sir, on my hou's full concern toot
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Speaker 9: pipe pipe, I will reject you toothpot two, situs.
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Speaker 1: Eph.
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Speaker 2: Jeff Fedick got more and more angry as the auctioneer
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Speaker 2: refused to believe that the house wasn't really up for sale.
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Speaker 9: Here's my hair to sale, we thought, Sir, I've been
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Speaker 9: given instructions well you've been given the wrong instructions.
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Speaker 1: Okay, month, bring the twice, bring the tweet, very million,
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Speaker 1: bring the play.
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Speaker 6: I've not taken three men.
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Speaker 1: I've got a high bid on that, sir. I just
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Speaker 1: told you boy.
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Speaker 6: How's my has for sale? How's my house to sell? Getting?
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Speaker 1: I've made my hand from south. I've been given instructions.
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Speaker 3: And here Jeff Fedick is bemused.
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Speaker 2: That is nine million dollar house is selling for around
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Speaker 2: six million dollars and the whole thing almost escalates into
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Speaker 2: a physical confrontation before the big reveal.
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Speaker 6: Here it goes at what point five? Five millions?
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Speaker 5: Of me?
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Speaker 1: Sir?
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Speaker 9: What point five?
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Speaker 1: The fun?
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Speaker 9: You'll be doing it deal tonight?
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Speaker 6: That's fine and a half? Hear it goes what at fine.
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Speaker 10: And a half?
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Speaker 1: Six is the bit at six?
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Speaker 9: Check point by check point?
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Speaker 1: By what?
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Speaker 9: At six point?
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Speaker 6: By what?
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Speaker 1: Chick? I ain't keep it to.
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Speaker 2: Prank now that's entertaining. I'm happy for my tax dollars
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Speaker 2: to go towards that. If anyone of the A, B
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Speaker 2: C is watching, get rid of Q and A replace
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Speaker 2: it with that still to come lefties losing it plus
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Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian cops a swift back check after voicing her
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Speaker 2: support for illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 3: Josh Hammer has the details. Welcome back. It's time for
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Speaker 3: lefties losing it.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with this why else reporter learning an important
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Speaker 2: lesson from Caroline Leavitt.
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Speaker 4: So, if there were peaceful protests on Saturday for the
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Speaker 4: militant parade, President.
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Speaker 5: Trump would allow that.
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Speaker 6: Of course, the President supports peaceful protest. What a stupid question,
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Speaker 6: l Thank you so much, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: Yes, stupid questions deserve brutal answers.
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Speaker 3: She won't make that mistake again.
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Speaker 2: Here is another supposed celebrity, a preachy clown called don'tch.
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Speaker 2: She calls herself a swamp princess, and she seems to
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Speaker 2: have missed the unhinged violence in LA.
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Speaker 4: There are ruthless attacks that are creating fear and chaos
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Speaker 4: in our communities. In the name of law and order,
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Speaker 4: Trump is using military forces to stop a protest. And
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Speaker 4: I want you to consider what kind of government it
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Speaker 4: appears to be when every time we exercise our democratic
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Speaker 4: right to protest, the military is deployed against us. What
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Speaker 4: type of government is that?
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Speaker 2: You know, it's the type of government that holds the law,
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Speaker 2: that protects the innocent from the lawless doci if that's
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Speaker 2: her name, sounds a bit like.
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Speaker 3: A fruit, a citrusy fruiter has a bit.
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Speaker 2: To learn there now to the ladies of the view,
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Speaker 2: and Whoopee seems to think that California is some sort
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Speaker 2: of a separate country and that the president cannot exercise
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Speaker 2: his power over the rogue state.
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Speaker 11: Whatever happened to states rights? I thought that was what
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Speaker 11: you do, because you tell the state, this is what
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Speaker 11: we're thinking of doing.
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Speaker 1: You know, you don't just send people in.
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Speaker 3: You don't just send troops in. But where do I know, Well,
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Speaker 3: you don't know much, Whoopee. We've worked that out.
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Speaker 2: But if Whoopy is clueless, Sonny Houstin is utterly unhinged,
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Speaker 2: just listen to this. You are an army turned insight
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Speaker 2: to police and citizens can cause chaos, fascism and fascism,
19:50
Speaker 2: and so I.
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Speaker 3: Think that's the way war and civil war. I think
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Speaker 3: that's the way we need to look at it.
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Speaker 2: And let's hear from Sarah Haynes, who are some sobering
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Speaker 2: news for the ladies. The great majority of Americans support
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's policy to deport every illegal immigrant.
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Speaker 10: Sixty six percent of the American public actually thinks it
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Speaker 10: is crime enough to be undocumented and therefore deported.
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Speaker 3: But it's criminal to be undoctioned.
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Speaker 6: Yes, it is not.
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Speaker 3: You know how the disagreement was in the beginning.
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Speaker 10: We were told it was going to be violent criminals,
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Speaker 10: and I think everyone at this table would agree haul
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Speaker 10: out the violent criminals. Fine, But a very important distinction
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Speaker 10: was sixty percent of the American public, two thirds of Independence,
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Speaker 10: ninety percent of Republicans, and just a little under half
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Speaker 10: of Democrats think the crime is in being undocumented.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is a massive.
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Speaker 10: Amount of this country actually agrees with not how he's
20:45
Speaker 10: doing it, but with what he's doing.
20:47
Speaker 6: Well.
20:47
Speaker 2: Actually, I'd say the majority would be pretty happy with
20:50
Speaker 2: how he's doing it. And I don't know where the
20:52
Speaker 2: ladies of the View were during the election campaign, but
20:55
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was pretty clear that his policy was to
20:58
Speaker 2: deport every immigrant, not just those convicted of additional criminal offenses.
21:04
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Newsweek's senior editor at large and
21:07
Speaker 2: Article three projects CEDI Council, Josh Hammer. Josh, the ladies
21:11
Speaker 2: of the view were not happy with those stats. I
21:14
Speaker 2: don't think people at CNN were particularly happy though. When
21:17
Speaker 2: the reports were on their station. But it's migrants who
21:21
Speaker 2: have most strongly gravitated to Donald Trump over his immigration policies.
21:28
Speaker 5: Reader, and I live that out every day actually as
21:31
Speaker 5: a resident of South Florida. I mean, you see the
21:34
Speaker 5: Hispanic communities in the United States that have driven in
21:37
Speaker 5: droves to the Republican Party, to the camp O Maga,
21:39
Speaker 5: to America first, Donald Trump's broader coalition. This is a
21:43
Speaker 5: long time trends been going on for at least a
21:45
Speaker 5: decade by now. Donald Trump actually in twenty twenty, in
21:49
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty election that he lost to Joe Biden,
21:51
Speaker 5: actually did better among Hispanics in general in about a
21:54
Speaker 5: half century. He did orgmatitude better in twenty twenty four.
21:58
Speaker 5: This is a huge trend there actually outright one the
22:01
Speaker 5: male Hispanic vote in the twenty twenty four exit polls.
22:05
Speaker 6: There.
22:05
Speaker 5: I mean, this is totally taken a Democratic Party by storm.
22:08
Speaker 5: I mean, think back to two thousand and eight, think
22:10
Speaker 5: back to to Barack Obama and the whole notion of
22:13
Speaker 5: this interceptional rainbow coalition of the ascent. In this identity politics,
22:17
Speaker 5: grievance coalition of a grieved interest. You have the gay
22:20
Speaker 5: community and the immigrant community under this and that and
22:23
Speaker 5: that there, and it's all caput. It's totally down the
22:26
Speaker 5: dream this point. They are scrambling to put Humpy Dumpy
22:28
Speaker 5: back together again, but they have no idea where to
22:31
Speaker 5: go from here. And it's just really delectable to watch
22:34
Speaker 5: Frankly as someone who wishes them nothing but the worst.
22:37
Speaker 5: They have no idea where to go, and I just
22:38
Speaker 5: think the Frankly Warriors, I love that.
22:43
Speaker 2: Now we all know late night TV comics in America
22:47
Speaker 2: have completely lost the plot. They've turned into unwatchable leftist
22:52
Speaker 2: activists viewing all sorts of hysteria and lies and blackface
22:56
Speaker 2: enthusiast and misogynist Jimmy Kimmel is a Prome example.
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Speaker 11: We've been watching cable news and believe this city is
23:03
Speaker 11: some kind of totalitarian healthscape.
23:06
Speaker 6: Right now, it most certainly is not.
23:08
Speaker 11: I'm very angry. I have to say, I cannot believe
23:10
Speaker 11: what's going on. I knew it was going to be bad.
23:12
Speaker 11: I did not know it was going to be this bad.
23:14
Speaker 11: People who have lived here their whole lives, people who've
23:17
Speaker 11: been in this city longer than I have, the vast
23:20
Speaker 11: majority of whom have never done anything wrong or being abducted,
23:24
Speaker 11: which is the correct word to use, by agents in
23:26
Speaker 11: masks hiding their identities, grabbing people off the street and
23:30
Speaker 11: at work, sending people to detention centers, and to protest
23:34
Speaker 11: that which is not only our right as Americans, it's
23:37
Speaker 11: our responsibility. Los Angelinos have been gathering to demonstrate, with
23:42
Speaker 11: very few exceptions, peacefully demonstrate to voice their opposition to
23:46
Speaker 11: this disgusting and unnecessary abuse of power instigated by our
23:51
Speaker 11: mentally ill president, who is dead set on exacerbating this,
23:55
Speaker 11: who actually wants conflict, who is intentionally inflaming and to
24:00
Speaker 11: make it seem like there's a war going on here.
24:02
Speaker 11: He wants there to be a war going on here,
24:05
Speaker 11: and he doesn't care who gets hurt in it.
24:07
Speaker 2: There's a riot outside, Josh, I can't believe his audience
24:11
Speaker 2: is circling the dray and I don't even know where
24:13
Speaker 2: to start with all that. First, the denial that the
24:16
Speaker 2: riots are even happening, then the demented hysteria about Trump
24:21
Speaker 2: and abductions and civil wars. Jimmy Kimmel just profoundly ignorant or.
24:27
Speaker 3: Is he lying grit?
24:29
Speaker 5: It was five years ago that the United States endured
24:32
Speaker 5: one of its tumultuous summers in the history of our country.
24:35
Speaker 5: We had the Summer of Love, the summer of the
24:39
Speaker 5: sixteen nineteen riots as they're called the Black Lives Matter
24:42
Speaker 5: and Tieper riots there, and it was actually just over
24:45
Speaker 5: a week ago that we had the five year anniversary
24:46
Speaker 5: of the somewhat infamous OpEd from Center Tom Connon of
24:49
Speaker 5: Arkansas calling to send in the troops. As it turns out,
24:52
Speaker 5: of Tom Cotton's op ed was poweringly prescient actually, because
24:56
Speaker 5: we're facing the exact same situation now in Los Angeles,
24:59
Speaker 5: and the same way that the media, the same way
25:01
Speaker 5: that they have learned nothing when it comes to trying
25:03
Speaker 5: to put Hump Dumpy back together again with this intersectional
25:06
Speaker 5: rainbow or legal immigrants, whatever it is coalition on the left. There,
25:10
Speaker 5: so too have they seemingly learned nothing whatsoever when it
25:12
Speaker 5: comes to the overwhelming abiding, moral imperative of law and order,
25:16
Speaker 5: when it comes to anarchy and domestic insurrectionary activity. Here,
25:20
Speaker 5: I think back to the infamous CNN chirn during these
25:23
Speaker 5: Saint George Floyd riots in twenty twenty there where there
25:26
Speaker 5: was that there was a reporter standing there with the
25:28
Speaker 5: keV Lar helmet and it said fiery but mostly peaceful protests.
25:32
Speaker 5: That's basically the same energy, the same spirit you might
25:35
Speaker 5: say that Jimmy Kimmel is channeling. And this not particularly
25:38
Speaker 5: funny quasi monologue that we just heard there there. You know,
25:41
Speaker 5: these these are not mostly peaceful protests, as the video
25:44
Speaker 5: that the viewers are watching right now makes entirely clear.
25:46
Speaker 5: These are extraordinarily violent protests.
25:48
Speaker 1: There.
25:49
Speaker 5: Police have been clamoring actually for the Federal National Guard
25:53
Speaker 5: to get involved. Aaren Bass, the chief the police there.
25:56
Speaker 5: If you actually listen to what they're saying, they are saying,
25:58
Speaker 5: we are overwhelmed. We actually need federal law enforcement to
26:01
Speaker 5: come back up the LAPD. Now this is not peaceful stuff.
26:05
Speaker 5: And all this is done Riada. All this is done
26:08
Speaker 5: with an ultimate intent to try to disintegrate the United
26:10
Speaker 5: States from within. That is the left wing sentiment here
26:13
Speaker 5: there and everywhere is not to build, but is to
26:15
Speaker 5: tear down. They are trying to tear down the United States.
26:17
Speaker 5: They are trying to tear down every other major European country,
26:20
Speaker 5: Australia and New zealand every other first world country around
26:23
Speaker 5: the world. I'm here in Israel now. The same thing
26:25
Speaker 5: here with the Israeli left. Everywhere you are throughout the world,
26:27
Speaker 5: the Left has the exact same mentality, which is to
26:29
Speaker 5: destroy and to tear down the nation civil society. It's
26:32
Speaker 5: playing out though, and particularly start terms are now back
26:35
Speaker 5: home from me in Los Angeles.
26:38
Speaker 2: Now what we've all been waiting for, Josh, is the
26:41
Speaker 2: import of Kim Kardashian. The reality TV star described immigration
26:46
Speaker 2: and Customs enforcement deportation rates as inhumane, and that prompt
26:52
Speaker 2: today top Department of Homeland Security official to fire back.
26:57
Speaker 2: Assistant DHS Secretary Tricia McLachlin wrote on X Kim Kardashian,
27:02
Speaker 2: which one of these convicted child molesters, murderers, drug traffickers,
27:07
Speaker 2: and rapists would you like to stay in the country?
27:10
Speaker 2: And she also included with that post muck shots and
27:14
Speaker 2: the profiles of a criminality of these four illegal immigrants
27:20
Speaker 2: that were recently nabbed in ICE enforcement operations. Josh, it's
27:25
Speaker 2: good to see people within the administration, people within the
27:29
Speaker 2: bureaucracy hitting back at these celebrities.
27:31
Speaker 3: Who mouth off, and they often do that with little consequence.
27:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm smiling over here, Bria, because I can't help
27:40
Speaker 5: with thing. Back to the very first GOP presidential primary
27:44
Speaker 5: debate of the twenty sixteen presidential cycle. This takes us
27:47
Speaker 5: all the way back to August of twenty fifteen, just
27:49
Speaker 5: about a decade ago, and Donald Trump has this kind
27:53
Speaker 5: of infamous attack on Rosi o'donald. Of all people, right,
27:56
Speaker 5: it was a very memorable exchange. But Donald Trump and
28:00
Speaker 5: all the people that he surrounds himself with, they have
28:02
Speaker 5: never been afraid to take on high profile celebrities. There,
28:05
Speaker 5: Kim Kardashian these days, I suppose blows Rosie o'donnald out
28:08
Speaker 5: of the water as far as pop culture rabatas is concerned. There,
28:12
Speaker 5: So no there, They're not afraid whatsoever to take on
28:16
Speaker 5: big interests, whether those big interests are in big pharma,
28:19
Speaker 5: whether those interests are in big Tech or big Hollywood,
28:22
Speaker 5: or big media, big academia, big university, big Life of
28:26
Speaker 5: the Kardashians, whatever the reality show is called there that
28:28
Speaker 5: I don't particularly claim to care to watch, to be
28:30
Speaker 5: honest with you, there, but they're not afraid. They're not
28:32
Speaker 5: afraid to get in the mud there for the very
28:34
Speaker 5: simple reason that, on the one hand, these celebrities are
28:37
Speaker 5: a very convenient political foil because they quite literally live
28:40
Speaker 5: out of touch and their gated communities with their private guards.
28:43
Speaker 5: Kim Kardashian is not experiencing what the blue collar oftentimes
28:47
Speaker 5: by the way, Hispanic oftentimes Hispanic working class people in
28:50
Speaker 5: places like downtown Los Angeles, Kim Kardashian and Malibu or
28:54
Speaker 5: whoever the heck she's living, she is not experiencing those
28:56
Speaker 5: people in downtown Los Angeles are experiencing there. And then
28:59
Speaker 5: on the other hand, there you know, people at Tricia
29:00
Speaker 5: McLaughlin and the USDHS. They know that the American people
29:04
Speaker 5: side with them. So it's good politics, it's good policy,
29:06
Speaker 5: and they're doing very well actually on.
29:08
Speaker 10: This world now.
29:11
Speaker 2: Josh on those protests in blue cities, Republican Senator Josh
29:15
Speaker 2: Hawley's launched an investigation into a left wing group in
29:19
Speaker 2: California that he says maybe financially.
29:22
Speaker 3: Supporting violent protests in LA.
29:26
Speaker 2: What more can you tell me about this, because there
29:29
Speaker 2: is a lot of conjecture that there is organization and
29:33
Speaker 2: funding behind these protests.
29:37
Speaker 5: So we don't know what's on yet, is the very
29:39
Speaker 5: short and honest answer. I'm hoping to learn more. I
29:41
Speaker 5: was very happy to see that Central Holly is putting
29:43
Speaker 5: out this notice of investigation there, and this is the
29:47
Speaker 5: sort of thing that peeral government should be investigating. Their
29:49
Speaker 5: Congress has this beena power, DHSDOJ have a lot of
29:52
Speaker 5: powers at their disposal within the bureaucracy of the executive
29:56
Speaker 5: branch as well. Now we do know that whether it
29:58
Speaker 5: comes to the twenty twenty Black Lives Matter ANTIFA riots,
30:01
Speaker 5: whether it comes to the post October seventh Prohamas riots
30:04
Speaker 5: on American University canvases, we definitely do know that there
30:07
Speaker 5: have been outside funders. We just don't know to this
30:10
Speaker 5: day exactly the constellation eventities there. We highly suspected individuals
30:14
Speaker 5: like George Sodos are involved. There are very shady lefting organizations.
30:17
Speaker 5: One is known as Arabella Advisors. They are known to
30:20
Speaker 5: kind of try to mobilize activist lefting organization, but left
30:24
Speaker 5: has a very complicated network rata unfortunately. Actually the recent
30:27
Speaker 5: murderer of the two is really diplomat in Washingt DC,
30:30
Speaker 5: was actually very involved in some of these far left
30:32
Speaker 5: grassroots circles as well. It's an extraordinarily shady picture actually,
30:36
Speaker 5: and I think actually this is not talk about very frequently,
30:39
Speaker 5: but one of the most important imperatives for people on
30:42
Speaker 5: the right in America right now, especially when it comes
30:44
Speaker 5: to investigative journalists, really have the wherewithal the chops to
30:46
Speaker 5: get to actually do this, I think, to try to
30:48
Speaker 5: kind of systematically break down some of these very sketchy
30:51
Speaker 5: left wing organizations they're try to actually find out where
30:54
Speaker 5: the bank accounts are coming from, try to find out
30:56
Speaker 5: who is dropping off in mysterious three am load overnight fashion,
31:01
Speaker 5: who was actually dropping off the body armor and the
31:04
Speaker 5: vests and the kevlar helmets, you know, at the bus
31:07
Speaker 5: station Los Angeles, and basically tell these people, Okay, here's
31:10
Speaker 5: what you need to go ahead and then stand up
31:12
Speaker 5: to the man, stand up to the LAPD. Again, we
31:14
Speaker 5: don't actually know to this day exactly who is funding this,
31:17
Speaker 5: but we see it in the open, and it's been
31:19
Speaker 5: happening for a long time now. I just think you
31:21
Speaker 5: remembered this exact same sort of thing happening in those
31:23
Speaker 5: first few months of the twenty twenty George Floyd Riot's there,
31:27
Speaker 5: so it's going on for a long time there. Unfortunately,
31:29
Speaker 5: haven't gone a whole lot and answering this question. But
31:31
Speaker 5: I'm happy that Josh Holly's on the case.
31:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's finally time to have a little
31:37
Speaker 2: bit of a real investigation into what's happened there, because
31:41
Speaker 2: there's now an appetite to actually find out the truth.
31:44
Speaker 2: The FBI is interested, certainly the Justice Department will be interested,
31:48
Speaker 2: and Senator Hawley is going.
31:49
Speaker 3: To be pushing this hard now.
31:52
Speaker 2: Today on Light and News, the President and the First
31:55
Speaker 2: Lady were at the Kennedy Center to see La miss
31:58
Speaker 2: and he was not one bit phased. Donald Trump with
32:02
Speaker 2: the prospect of actors boycotting the event.
32:05
Speaker 6: It's been reported that some actors maybe boycotting.
32:08
Speaker 8: I bring jail us.
32:10
Speaker 1: All I do is run the country.
32:11
Speaker 9: Well, the economic numberis you saw them today.
32:14
Speaker 6: They're setting records which took.
32:16
Speaker 9: Eighty eight million dollars in tariffs in two months, far
32:20
Speaker 9: beyond what anybody expected.
32:23
Speaker 6: There's no inflation, people are happy, people are wealthy. The
32:26
Speaker 6: country is getting back to strength again.
32:29
Speaker 5: That's what I care about, and we're going to have
32:31
Speaker 5: a safe.
32:31
Speaker 3: Country, Josh.
32:32
Speaker 2: This was the President's first visit to the Kennysy Center
32:36
Speaker 2: since he became its chairman back in February.
32:39
Speaker 3: He said that he's going to restore it to its former.
32:42
Speaker 2: Glory, and the reports are there was a little bit
32:45
Speaker 2: of booing, but mainly cheers and even chance of the
32:48
Speaker 2: USA throughout the arena.
32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:53
Speaker 5: Well, this is why he's president of the United States, right,
32:55
Speaker 5: is that he is able to stay with a straight
32:58
Speaker 5: face and in quite humorous fashion, name my dad. He's
33:00
Speaker 5: able to say, I put him care less when it
33:03
Speaker 5: comes to the possibility of a boycott from these presumably
33:05
Speaker 5: overpaid actors to go up there and emote and gesticulate
33:10
Speaker 5: to make all these things about how Donald Trump is
33:11
Speaker 5: an evil fashot or bashis or whatever there I mean.
33:14
Speaker 5: I mean, I think back as well when Donald Trump's
33:16
Speaker 5: on his most recent iteration of the travel band putting
33:18
Speaker 5: limited or full restrictions on entry into the United States
33:21
Speaker 5: from twelve countries throughout the world. There and he has
33:23
Speaker 5: this kind of video that he records sitting at the
33:26
Speaker 5: resolute desk in the Oval Office in the White House,
33:28
Speaker 5: and he looks and he looks at the cavern says,
33:30
Speaker 5: we don't want them.
33:31
Speaker 6: I mean, what a common sense sentiment.
33:33
Speaker 5: We don't want them. We don't want them. I put
33:35
Speaker 5: n't care less. This again, this is why Donald Trump
33:37
Speaker 5: is president. He has this innate, kind of inherent political
33:41
Speaker 5: appeal to Joe workingman. He is really kind of the
33:44
Speaker 5: class trader billionaire, the guy who has made rules of
33:47
Speaker 5: money and has made a global brand icon for himself.
33:50
Speaker 5: But the way that he speaks, the way that he
33:51
Speaker 5: acts just directly resonates Haart to heart with the working
33:54
Speaker 5: men and women of America. There this clip has getting
33:57
Speaker 5: another example of that.
33:58
Speaker 2: It it's amazing that a billionaire is so relatable, and
34:03
Speaker 2: a billionaire who's led the life is led now. The
34:07
Speaker 2: New York Post reports President Trump has been receptive to
34:11
Speaker 2: Elon Musk's apology for that X meltdown. Musk admitted he
34:15
Speaker 2: had gone too far in his personal attacks. No kidding, mate,
34:19
Speaker 2: President Trump told the Post, I thought it was very
34:23
Speaker 2: nice that he did that, But Josh, the President wasn't
34:27
Speaker 2: willing to say that. He let bygones be bygones with
34:32
Speaker 2: the Tesla space X CEO.
34:34
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's a surprise for Musk to
34:38
Speaker 3: do that so publicly. It's going to take a lot
34:41
Speaker 3: for that trust to be restored.
34:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to put it mildly, I mean, Elon
34:49
Speaker 5: overreacted would probably most politely I can put it there.
34:52
Speaker 5: I mean he took a personal he took a policy disagreement.
34:54
Speaker 5: He took a very reasonable disagreement over the so called
34:59
Speaker 5: Big beautiful and whether or not this is the best
35:01
Speaker 5: way to be appropriating funds there, whether or not to
35:04
Speaker 5: be a committee by committee, one bit built, okay, whatever.
35:06
Speaker 5: That's a legitimate debate that people on the right from
35:08
Speaker 5: Depper and haled it themselves. But he took it so personally.
35:12
Speaker 5: And the way that he reacted there, I mean, essentially
35:15
Speaker 5: calling Donald Trump a pedophile by talking about the the
35:18
Speaker 5: Steam files there, I mean, not an easy thing to
35:22
Speaker 5: walk back into right there. Having said that, having said that,
35:26
Speaker 5: I appreciate the instincts, I appreciate the instinct to try
35:29
Speaker 5: to walk back to try to make amends. It's frankly
35:32
Speaker 5: very gracious of Donald Trump, but he is willing to
35:34
Speaker 5: kind of just let bygones be bygones. That there's such
35:36
Speaker 5: a short period of time. It's best for the right,
35:40
Speaker 5: is best for the American right, And as someone who
35:42
Speaker 5: wants the American right to succeed, this wor ultimately I
35:44
Speaker 5: come down, it is best for the American right to
35:46
Speaker 5: try to get these two titans to try to let bygones,
35:49
Speaker 5: be bygones there, but easier set than done, because again
35:51
Speaker 5: Elon must dramatically, dramatically overreacted here. But the guy's the
35:55
Speaker 5: wealthiest man in the world. And think of it this way, Rita.
35:57
Speaker 5: If you are Donald Trump, if you are MAGA, you
35:59
Speaker 5: are the America the First Movement, if you are the
36:01
Speaker 5: Republican Party, et cetera, and so forth. There, you don't
36:04
Speaker 5: want to alienate Elon muss You ultimately do want Elon
36:06
Speaker 5: Musk on your side for pure kind of cynical funding reasons,
36:10
Speaker 5: if nothing else there. So that's ultimately where I come down.
36:13
Speaker 5: And it simply Donald Trump seems to agree.
36:15
Speaker 6: With that there.
36:16
Speaker 5: But boy, he's being very gracious because Elon must had
36:18
Speaker 5: some very nasty things to put him out.
36:22
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
36:23
Speaker 2: I think the right need those two to kiss and
36:25
Speaker 2: make up. But then the fact that Elon has the
36:29
Speaker 2: capacity to have a meltdown like this publicly on X
36:33
Speaker 2: If this was a meltdown behind closed doors, then it's
36:36
Speaker 2: another thing. But for him to take it and just
36:39
Speaker 2: completely lose it publicly, I think it's going to take
36:42
Speaker 2: a lot for that trust to be restored. But you
36:47
Speaker 2: don't want him to be writing those checks for billions
36:50
Speaker 2: to the Democrats because he has been a lifelong Democrat
36:52
Speaker 2: up until recently.
36:53
Speaker 1: Josh, she was.
36:55
Speaker 2: Red pilled, and I think that's authentic. I don't think
36:58
Speaker 2: that was opportunistic. I think he his politics and his
37:01
Speaker 2: worldview has changed dramatically, and other than that that little meltdown,
37:06
Speaker 2: he has been pretty sound for the Mega movement. Josh Hava,
37:10
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time tonight. Thank you
37:14
Speaker 2: still to come. Why the LA riots could be considered
37:17
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism. International security professor Max Abrams explains, welcome back
37:32
Speaker 2: the anti Trump, anti ice protests. Riots really have spread
37:38
Speaker 2: to other blue cities. Let's have a look at what's
37:40
Speaker 2: happening in San Francisco.
38:02
Speaker 5: Yep.
38:03
Speaker 2: The violent protests are spreading to Democrat strongholds like San Francisco,
38:08
Speaker 2: New York, Chicago, and even.
38:11
Speaker 3: South to Atlanta.
38:16
Speaker 1: Over the.
38:29
Speaker 2: Yes, Atlanta is a blue city. Georgia may be read,
38:33
Speaker 2: but Atlanta is not a song of the violence we're
38:36
Speaker 2: seeing in LA. With the use of fireworks to target
38:39
Speaker 2: police and even police horses is extremely.
38:43
Speaker 3: Dangerous, life threatening.
38:55
Speaker 2: Let's bring in international security expert Max Abrams. Max, some
39:00
Speaker 2: of the violence we're saying seems opportunistic. Some of it
39:04
Speaker 2: those seems very much organized. You are an international security
39:09
Speaker 2: professor and expert on terrorism. Do you consider some of
39:13
Speaker 2: this violence as acts of domestic terrorism?
39:18
Speaker 6: I think it is. You know, there's obviously a reluctance
39:22
Speaker 6: by the left to describe this kind of violence as terrorism,
39:28
Speaker 6: because terrorism is only done for ideologies that the left
39:33
Speaker 6: doesn't like. But the definition of terrorism certainly could include
39:39
Speaker 6: left wing political violence. The standard definition that we use
39:45
Speaker 6: is a non state actor, so we're not talking about
39:48
Speaker 6: a government who uses violence against a civilian target for
39:54
Speaker 6: political aim, and it's always useful to keep that definition
39:58
Speaker 6: in mind when trying to determine whether we're looking at terrorism.
40:03
Speaker 6: I think that some of this violence certainly looks a
40:07
Speaker 6: lot like terrorism. I think that increasingly the violence is
40:13
Speaker 6: going to be indiscriminate. It's not going to be just
40:17
Speaker 6: directed against ice or federal buildings or police forces and
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Speaker 6: police cars. I think that these perpetrators pose a genuine
40:30
Speaker 6: danger to the public. Broadly. They're going to be increasingly
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Speaker 6: setting cars on fire and probably looting stores indiscriminately anything
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Speaker 6: they can get into, attacking shops, and the reason is
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Speaker 6: is that these guys are simply united by anti American sentiment.
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Speaker 6: So there might be some nuances in terms of their differences.
41:00
Speaker 6: How much are they motivated against a how much specifically
41:05
Speaker 6: against immigration policy.
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Speaker 1: But this is just an.
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Speaker 6: Opportunity for left wing extremists to try to exert their
41:15
Speaker 6: control over the country into intimidate anyone there. So, yes,
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Speaker 6: this is domestic extremism and unfortunately probably increasingly terrorism.
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Speaker 2: And we saw similar scenes that destruction in discriminate destruction
41:34
Speaker 2: of public property, private property, the looting, the arson during
41:39
Speaker 2: the BLM riots throughout America, and I would suspect there'd
41:44
Speaker 2: be a lot of the usual suspects involved in this
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Speaker 2: as well. Tulsa Gabbatt says, this is organized largely, This
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Speaker 2: isn't just some organic gathering of people who are upset.
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Speaker 3: Do you see it that way? Do you see some
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Speaker 3: organization behind at least some of the violence. We're saying.
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Speaker 6: It's a combination. I mean, if you look at sort
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Speaker 6: of the gear that these guys have, some of them
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Speaker 6: are clearly professionals. You know, they have fancy face masks,
42:17
Speaker 6: you know, to deal with the whatever the authorities are
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Speaker 6: throwing at them. They know how to deal with a
42:26
Speaker 6: gas you know Cannister thrown at them. Some of them
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Speaker 6: we know specifically who they are, and they are part
42:36
Speaker 6: of an organization, their career criminals, if you will. But
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Speaker 6: a lot of it actually is organic. So whenever there
42:45
Speaker 6: is like a some kind of a left wing extremist
42:49
Speaker 6: cause just blowing up whatever the extremist cause du jour
42:54
Speaker 6: is on the left, you're gonna get a lot of
42:58
Speaker 6: sympathizers who who join in. That was true of Black
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Speaker 6: Lives Matter, it's true of the global anti Fato movement.
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Speaker 6: That's how these guys rule. So yeah, probably in the beginning,
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Speaker 6: there's a very important rule in terms of like the organization,
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Speaker 6: in the leadership. But then you just have a whole
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Speaker 6: bunch of angry people. You have weak control over the streets,
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Speaker 6: and they're seizing the opportunity to stick it to the
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Speaker 6: United States.
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Speaker 2: Now, I want to ask about your own personal experience
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Speaker 2: with some of the anti Semitism, anti Israel sentiment we
43:38
Speaker 2: have seen on university campuses. You've personally impacted by that
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Speaker 2: hate and hostility. Tell me what happened at your university
43:49
Speaker 2: when activists took over your class.
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Speaker 6: Sure, so let's go back the Hamas terrorist massacre. Happened
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Speaker 6: on October seventh, three and just three days after that,
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Speaker 6: before Israel had a chance to respond, before Israel invaded Gaza,
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Speaker 6: a guy came to my office area in the hallway
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Speaker 6: and put into my hand a flyer and said, you know,
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Speaker 6: do you want to go to this event? And it
44:26
Speaker 6: was a pro resistance vigil or you know event down
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Speaker 6: the street in Cambridge, and so I thought that was
44:37
Speaker 6: a little bit off putting. He shouldn't have been there,
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Speaker 6: you know, near my office leading me propaganda three days
44:45
Speaker 6: after the attack, but I didn't think too much about it.
44:49
Speaker 6: Then I went to my classroom to teach that evening
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Speaker 6: and the same guy was there, and he wasn't a
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Speaker 6: student of mine, he was a student of the university
45:00
Speaker 6: I teach. So he wasn't responding actually to anything that
45:04
Speaker 6: I had said in class, in particular, that day's class
45:09
Speaker 6: was actually not sort of relevant to him. It was
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Speaker 6: I was basically just targeted because I'm a Jewish professor.
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Speaker 6: The topic actually was going to be on right wing extremism,
45:22
Speaker 6: but I wasn't able to teach until he like left
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Speaker 6: and stopped making a commotion, and then finally he just
45:31
Speaker 6: got up and started sort of prancing around the classroom
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Speaker 6: saying that, you know, I was complicit and the university
45:38
Speaker 6: was complicit, and he encouraged my students to walk out
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Speaker 6: of the classroom and to attend this pro Hamas event
45:50
Speaker 6: in Cambridge. I didn't immediately file a complaint about that,
45:57
Speaker 6: but then he kind of stalked me afterwards, like hanging
46:01
Speaker 6: out by my office. I don't know what I could
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Speaker 6: say on television, but he basically confronted me and told
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Speaker 6: me to f off or whatever to my face. So
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Speaker 6: I was thinking, Wow, this is you know, this is
46:15
Speaker 6: really quite personal. It should be pointed out that I wasn't.
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Speaker 1: It was a.
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Speaker 2: Campaign of intimidation because you're a Jewish member of faculty
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Speaker 2: and you wouldn't come to me.
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Speaker 6: I did, that's right, And I did end up filing
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Speaker 6: a formal complaint, and I wasn't the only one. Another
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Speaker 6: faculty member had a related experience from the same student,
46:37
Speaker 6: and I didn't know what the status of my complaint was.
46:42
Speaker 6: They wouldn't update me. But then my phone started blowing
46:47
Speaker 6: up during the Northeastern University graduation ceremony because a student
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Speaker 6: had taken it over and had you know, like fake
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Speaker 6: blood on his hands on the stage. Thanks for putting
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Speaker 6: the figure up. Yeah, that's the guy. And so when
47:03
Speaker 6: I saw that, wow, and this made it into the news,
47:08
Speaker 6: I immediately understood that my university, Northeastern University, had clearly
47:13
Speaker 6: not doubt with this student. He had gone graduation, he
47:17
Speaker 6: had gotten his and so I was I was a
47:21
Speaker 6: little bit surprised, because that really is pretty egregious to
47:25
Speaker 6: stalk me to take over the classroom. Yeah, and again
47:30
Speaker 6: I wasn't the only professor at Northeastern University to do that.
47:34
Speaker 6: We both were both tenured professors. We filed complaints. We
47:39
Speaker 6: did exactly what we were supposed to do. You know,
47:42
Speaker 6: I didn't get into a physical confrontation with the guy.
47:44
Speaker 6: I tried to use the Northeastern University system, and they
47:49
Speaker 6: rewarded him with the diploma and ended up, you know,
47:52
Speaker 6: embarrassing themselves in the national media. I think there are
47:56
Speaker 6: a lot of lessons here. The truth is is that
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Speaker 6: the universities are not reforming themselves when they have a
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Speaker 6: reason to, even when there is a credible complaint, even
48:11
Speaker 6: when there's a real danger to faculty in students, they
48:15
Speaker 6: refuse to act. And again, I do think it's important
48:18
Speaker 6: to know that Israel had not even responded yet. So
48:23
Speaker 6: this wasn't like against Night, you know, the genocide and Gaza.
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Speaker 6: None of that had happened. This just was an outbreak
48:30
Speaker 6: of support for Hamas in the immediate aftermath of Operation
48:35
Speaker 6: Alaxa flood.
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Speaker 2: And that's the point, Max, Northeastern University, all these universities
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Speaker 2: would respond very differently if the target wasn't a Jewish
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Speaker 2: professor but a black professor, or Hispanic or Muslim professor.
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Speaker 2: Max Abrams, thank you for your time tonight, and that's
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Speaker 2: all the time we have. I'll see you at nine
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Speaker 2: pm tomorrow night for Lift. He's losing it up. Next
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Speaker 2: it's Newsnight.