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SCOTUS Overruled a Blue-State Judge Who Never Should Have Blocked This · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 2: spend most of the show talking about. The Lindsay Clancy
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  Speaker 2: trial has entered the final phases of And as of
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  Speaker 2: my discussion with you at this very moment, they have
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  Speaker 2: not handed down a verdict. But here's the thing. We
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  Speaker 2: have got some real disconnect in culture between what they're
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  Speaker 2: saying in the courtroom and what people are saying outside
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  Speaker 2: the courtroom about this case. And I think that separating
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  Speaker 2: fact from fiction is kind of vital to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: But beyond that, I just, there's so many things wrong
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  Speaker 2: with what these women outside the courthouse are telling people
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  Speaker 2: and what influencers are saying online and how they keep,
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  Speaker 2: there's this one I just saw where a woman was
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  Speaker 2: talking to her camera and she said, look, my litmus
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  Speaker 2: test for potential husbands going forward is on our first date.
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  Speaker 2: I will ask you, do you believe Lindsay Clancy was
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  Speaker 2: guilty and should go to jail? And if he says, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting up and walking away, I will never marry somebody.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yes, please do that. Save him the
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  Speaker 2: heartache because there's not a man in this country that
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  Speaker 2: if he killed his three kids, that that's, there would
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  Speaker 2: be any group of men outside the courthouse going, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he's so misunderstood. Oh, he's just, he's just, you don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: His work was hard. He had an addiction problem. Whatever
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  Speaker 2: the case, whatever the excuse would be, it wouldn't be,
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be satisfactory. And you wouldn't see a group
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  Speaker 2: of men doing this for a father who would have
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  Speaker 2: killed his three kids. It's not, it's not, it's not happening.
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  Speaker 2: There'd be lots of dads. It would be like, fry him,
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  Speaker 2: give him the death penalty. He's done. There wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: a single one in the country that would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we just need to understand him more. Fathers don't work
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  Speaker 2: that way. I don't think mothers do either, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Which is why I think what her legal team is
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  Speaker 2: trying to pull off here is such an insult. Such
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  Speaker 2: an insult to mothers everywhere. That she somehow could have
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  Speaker 2: been so lost somewhere. And out of control of her
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  Speaker 2: own agency. Agency is the big word now. Did she
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  Speaker 2: have the agency? Did she have the agency to check
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  Speaker 2: herself out of the program she was in? Evidently. Did
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  Speaker 2: she have the agency to send the husband out? Evidently.
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  Speaker 2: Did she have the agency to take them all to
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  Speaker 2: the basement? And then one kid come in, put the
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  Speaker 2: exercise band around them, strangle them together. then bring in
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  Speaker 2: the next and do the same. And then the next
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  Speaker 2: and do the same. Did she have the agency to
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  Speaker 2: make those decisions? Evidently the expert witness in the trial
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  Speaker 2: said that, that there was, he's never seen a case
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  Speaker 2: of an hallucination, hallucination that's taken, you know, 18 minutes
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  Speaker 2: to fulfill and to see the social media reaction of this, these,
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  Speaker 2: these mostly white, middle to upper class, progressive, supposedly progressive
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  Speaker 2: women that are saying the kinds of things that they're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just play you the example from, so I
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  Speaker 2: was on Ed Henry on Newsmax last night. And one
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  Speaker 2: of the clips they asked us to react to was
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  Speaker 2: from a woman who was outside the courtroom. Listen to
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  Speaker 2: what she said when they stuck a camera in her face.
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  Speaker 6: It was wonderful to see so many women come together
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  Speaker 6: to support such a wonderful cause.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: It was wonderful to see so many women coming together.
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  Speaker 2: It was such a wonderful... Listen to this again.
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  Speaker 6: It was wonderful to see so many women come together
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  Speaker 6: to support such a wonderful cause.
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  Speaker 2: To support such a wonderful cause. What's the wonderful cause?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know the meaning of the word wonderful? These
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  Speaker 2: women are out of touch. They have... I'm going to bet...
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  Speaker 2: that that one that was in the clip isn't even
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  Speaker 2: a mom. Most of the moms that I've spoken to
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  Speaker 2: about this case are so angry at Lindsay. They don't
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  Speaker 2: see her as innocent. They don't see her as the victim.
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  Speaker 2: You know what every mom I've spoken to on this
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  Speaker 2: case believes? I'm not telling you what the men believe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you what the mothers believe. The mothers believe
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  Speaker 2: that the children were the victims, not the moms. But
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  Speaker 2: there's a bigger problem here that I think has deeper
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  Speaker 2: roots than we understand. This case took place in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 2: Massachusetts has been a bastion of far leftism for a
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  Speaker 2: long time, just in general as a state. I believe
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  Speaker 2: that when you look at cases like Sarah Smith, who
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  Speaker 2: drove her kids into the pond and they drowned in
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  Speaker 2: the water. When you look at the cases of like
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  Speaker 2: Andrea Yates, who suffocated her four children, one after the
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  Speaker 2: other in, in her, in her bathtub. When you look
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  Speaker 2: at the case right now, Lindsay Clancy and how she
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  Speaker 2: premeditatedly had to take each child one at a time
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  Speaker 2: into the room, wrap the band around their neck and
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  Speaker 2: then hold it until they could not breathe anymore. This, this,
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  Speaker 2: There's a similarity in all three of these cases. And
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  Speaker 2: the biggest similarity in all three cases are it runs
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  Speaker 2: against every fiber of what normal women and normal moms
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  Speaker 2: would ever allow themselves to do. And to have a
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  Speaker 2: group of women outside the courthouse holding up the heart
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  Speaker 2: hands and basically saying to Lindsay, It's okay what you did.
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  Speaker 2: We understand. No. No. We cannot be understanding this. We
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  Speaker 2: cannot be allowing some sort of forgiveness of this matter
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  Speaker 2: on the human level. If God chooses to forgive her,
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  Speaker 2: that's up to him. But this is not for humans
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  Speaker 2: to forgive. The only people that could truly offer her
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  Speaker 2: forgiveness are all dead. I guess the father could offer
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  Speaker 2: forgiveness on some level, but she is not the victim.
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  Speaker 2: The children were the victims. But outside, just feet away
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  Speaker 2: from where the arguments are being held, you've got this
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  Speaker 2: kind of silliness.
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  Speaker 6: It was wonderful to see so many women come together
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  Speaker 6: to support such a wonderful cause.
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful for so many women. to come together to support
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  Speaker 2: such a wonderful cause. Friends, we are messed up as
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  Speaker 2: a society. We need God more than we've ever needed Him.
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  Speaker 2: And this case is a demonstration of that. Kevin McCullough
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  Speaker 2: I think we are confused about that. What is forgiveness?
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  Speaker 2: What does it look like? What does it mean to forgive?
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  Speaker 2: How do we forgive? And maybe most importantly, why? Why
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  Speaker 2: is forgiveness important to the faith of a believer?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so yesterday when we began talking about forgiveness,
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  Speaker 5: we talked a little bit about how essential this actually
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  Speaker 5: is to Jesus' teachings in the gospel, sometimes putting it
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  Speaker 5: in very stark terms that are even challenging theologically. And
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  Speaker 5: What I said at the conclusion to that was that
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  Speaker 5: this is actually a primary fruit of actually knowing the Lord,
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  Speaker 5: actually following Jesus, actually being born again, that God produces
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  Speaker 5: in us a forgiving heart. And today I want to
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  Speaker 5: focus on two ways in which our personal forgiveness is
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  Speaker 5: linked to that essential understanding of who we are as Christians.
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  Speaker 5: So there's two passages, and one is quite short, but
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  Speaker 5: the other one is a parable. And the parable that
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  Speaker 5: I want to look at briefly with you guys is
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  Speaker 5: in Matthew 18, and a lot of us know this well.
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  Speaker 8: This is the parable of the unforgiving servant, right?
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  Speaker 5: And just to give a brief synopsis of this, there's
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  Speaker 5: a guy who owes a ton of money to a king.
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  Speaker 8: And he's called to account for that. He's called to
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  Speaker 8: pay it back.
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  Speaker 5: And he throws himself on the mercy of the king
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  Speaker 5: because he simply cannot pay it back.
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  Speaker 8: And the king does have mercy and he forgives his debt.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 8: And then the guy goes out happy as a clam.
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  Speaker 5: But then he sees a guy, another guy who owes
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  Speaker 5: him money and basically does what the king did to him.
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  Speaker 5: He says, you got to pay me what you owe.
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  Speaker 5: And the guy says, I can't. He does the same
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  Speaker 5: thing that man number one did before the king. And
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  Speaker 5: instead of instead of forgiving this man, his debt, he said,
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  Speaker 5: you know what? Throw him away in debtor's prison. You're
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  Speaker 5: paying me every cent that you owe. OK, and no
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  Speaker 5: one looking at that. It's very easy to see where
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  Speaker 5: Jesus is going with this.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: That that that how can we be forgiven a great
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  Speaker 5: debt by a great king and and then turn around
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  Speaker 5: and hold other people to account for the things that
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  Speaker 5: they owe us? Of course, this is not just talking
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  Speaker 5: about financial debt. This is talking about forgiveness. The whole
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  Speaker 5: chapter is about forgiveness, right? Now, there's an interesting feature
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  Speaker 5: about this parable. And sometimes– so it talks about the
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  Speaker 5: actual sums of money that these guys owe. And our
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  Speaker 5: eyes can kind of glaze over and we skip over
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  Speaker 5: those parts, right? But when you actually look at what
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  Speaker 5: those numbers are, and I'm not going to get too
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  Speaker 5: in the weeds about this, but the guy owes.
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  Speaker 8: The king 10,000 talents, okay?
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  Speaker 5: Now, a talent is about 20 years wages for a laborer.
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  Speaker 5: This is billions of dollars if you were to translate
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  Speaker 5: it into modern funds. It is an astronomical sum. And
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  Speaker 5: that's the point, right? That we owe God this astronomical
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  Speaker 5: sum because of our sin and he forgives us. So
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  Speaker 5: we get that part of it. Now, the second part
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  Speaker 5: of the parable is often, I think, missed by.
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  Speaker 8: A lot of people.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes when talking about the man going out on the
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  Speaker 5: street and finding another servant who owes him money, it
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  Speaker 5: will be said that the guy owes him peanuts, that
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  Speaker 5: it's nothing. And that's not quite true, okay? It says
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  Speaker 5: that he owes him 100 denarii. Now, a denarii is
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  Speaker 5: a day's wage for a laborer. OK, that is not nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 8: If you think what a day.
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  Speaker 5: Labor earns in like a day, 30 days and you're
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  Speaker 5: talking about 100 days. OK, this is somewhere in the
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  Speaker 5: neighborhood of like I don't know, depends on what you
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  Speaker 5: want to say of day labor earns, but somewhere in
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  Speaker 5: the neighborhood of like 15 grand.
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  Speaker 8: OK, that is not nothing.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So Jesus is not saying, look, God has forgiven you
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  Speaker 5: all this, and what do these people owe you?
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  Speaker 9: Nothing.
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  Speaker 5: No, he's acknowledging that forgiveness is costly, right? But as
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  Speaker 5: costly as it is, it is nothing compared to the
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  Speaker 5: debt God has forgiven us. So that's the first real
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  Speaker 5: big reason why Christians who truly understand the gospel– are
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  Speaker 5: forgiving people, why Jesus tries it so tightly, because of
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  Speaker 5: the immense amount we have been forgiven by God, that
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  Speaker 5: in light of that, we can go out and do
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  Speaker 5: the hard work of forgiveness of those who have truly
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  Speaker 5: wronged us.
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  Speaker 8: I know that was a lot, but..
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  Speaker 2: No, but it sets the foundation very strongly. Like, in
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  Speaker 2: order for us to be believable with the gospel, we
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  Speaker 2: need to be the evidence of it, no?
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  Speaker 8: That's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 5: Um, yeah, we, in order for us to be believable,
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  Speaker 5: cause this, this is part of the witness and, and, um,
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  Speaker 5: you could easily think of how other people seeing that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Jesus tells us that let your good works
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  Speaker 5: shine before others, uh, that they may see your good
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  Speaker 5: works and glorify your father in heaven. And certainly the
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  Speaker 5: ability to forgive the extraordinary Christian.
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  Speaker 8: Ability to forgive, right?
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  Speaker 5: We follow a Lord who said, father, forgive them.
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  Speaker 8: They don't know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 5: Um, uh, is, is, is a testimony and a direct
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to speak about the gospel.
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  Speaker 8: I forgive because I've been forgiven.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Um, now the other aspect of this, the other, the
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  Speaker 5: other passages is a little bit briefer, but it's something
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  Speaker 5: that wrote that, that Paul says in Romans 12 chapter nine.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: And, um, And so Paul says this, sorry, Romans 12, 19,
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  Speaker 5: not nine. So he says, beloved, never avenge yourselves, but
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  Speaker 5: leave it to the wrath of God. Okay. So, um, here,
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  Speaker 5: this is like the practical, you know, in chapter 12
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  Speaker 5: of Romans, Paul gets onto like the very practical nitty gritty,
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  Speaker 5: the implications of the gospel that he laid out in
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  Speaker 5: the first half of the book. And, um, And here
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  Speaker 5: we find the other like main scriptural reason why Christians
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  Speaker 5: should be forgiving people. And that is that we have
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  Speaker 5: confidence that God will judge justly.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I can free this person has wronged me. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they need they need to pay for it. There needs
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  Speaker 5: to be retribution here. Well, you know what the Christian says?
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  Speaker 5: is able to say, I have confidence that God will
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  Speaker 5: accomplish that. That God will deal perfectly with this person.
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  Speaker 5: I won't deal perfectly. I will want to one-up the
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  Speaker 5: other person. That's what vengeance looks like, right? But it
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  Speaker 5: very much is giving it to God. And so Paul
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  Speaker 5: is able then to say in the very next verse,
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  Speaker 5: to the contrary, if your enemy is hungry, feed him.
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  Speaker 5: If he is thirsty, give him something to drink. For
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  Speaker 5: by so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head,
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  Speaker 5: which is... interesting word picture, but I think that refers
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  Speaker 5: to like the pangs of conscience.
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  Speaker 8: Like, I wronged this person. Why is he doing right
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  Speaker 8: to me? Again, the inroads into the gospel.
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  Speaker 5: And then he finishes that paragraph by saying, do not
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  Speaker 5: be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, good stuff. Yeah. Doug, we have to call it
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  Speaker 2: to an end today. But just getting started, friends, just
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  Speaker 2: barely scratching the surface on forgiveness and why it's so important.
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  Speaker 2: Doug will be back tomorrow. You want to know more,
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  Speaker 2: go to emergence.church and see more of Doug's stuff there. Doug,
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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  Speaker 8: Talk to you tomorrow, Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. Kevin McCullough, glad to have you
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  Speaker 2: with us. And thank you to Doug Becker for spending
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  Speaker 2: this week with us. Forgiveness is an interesting topic for
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  Speaker 2: our How Do We Live segments because this is a
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  Speaker 2: week in which I'm not sure forgiveness is doable on
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  Speaker 2: the earthly level with Lindsay Clancy.
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  Speaker 12: I mean..
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  Speaker 2: If forgiveness is releasing her to allow God to do
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  Speaker 2: what he will with her, I guess we can forgive her.
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  Speaker 2: But if forgiveness is meant in the moral sense that
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  Speaker 2: the sin is now, the debt of the sin is
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  Speaker 2: now paid for, that can't be measured out in this life.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I don't think the death penalty is out
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  Speaker 2: of out of question for someone who commits this kind
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  Speaker 2: of crime. Now it is for Lindsay because she's in
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  Speaker 2: Massachusetts and they don't, they don't do the death penalty
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  Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, but on a visceral level on multiple visceral levels,
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  Speaker 2: the idea of forgiving someone who, who could do this,
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  Speaker 2: who could literally violate the most sacred of trusts between
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  Speaker 2: small children and a mom. And again, I am coming
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  Speaker 2: back to this kind of without any apology. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that there should be anyone supporting and saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's okay. She didn't really mean it. She was just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, insane. I think anytime you do something that
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  Speaker 2: takes an innocent life, I think that There's something in
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  Speaker 2: your programming and in your wiring that is the opposite
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  Speaker 2: of that on a human level. I don't think we
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  Speaker 2: were intended to kill people and feel good about the
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  Speaker 2: killing of people. I genuinely don't believe that that is
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  Speaker 2: ever how we were created to be. But I will
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  Speaker 2: tell you this. People that do things and convince themselves
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  Speaker 2: that they're okay to do, sometimes eventually get into a
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  Speaker 2: scenario where they don't feel the guilt anymore. They don't
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  Speaker 2: feel the disruption in their conscience. And it seems important
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  Speaker 2: for us to make a stand, if you will, on
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  Speaker 2: exactly the things that are that should be sacred. Because
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  Speaker 2: when you are saying that someone should be acquitted, that
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  Speaker 2: has already confessed to taking the life of innocent children,
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  Speaker 2: you're dealing with pretty heinous evil. And if over-medication is
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  Speaker 2: a problem, then let's deal with over-medication. If putting drugs
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  Speaker 2: together that shouldn't be put together is a problem, then
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  Speaker 2: let's deal with all that. But don't make an argument
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  Speaker 2: to me that this is a person who should have
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  Speaker 2: full agency when she says that she knowingly killed her children.
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  Speaker 2: She had enough agency to decide, but not enough agency
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  Speaker 2: to be responsible for it. And bombshell testimony, expert testimony
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  Speaker 2: in the last 24 hours has seemed to reinforce this.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 9: That I found the account of hallucinations to be, as
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  Speaker 9: she described it, it would be very, very unusual to
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  Speaker 9: experience it that way. Never having, not before, not since,
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  Speaker 9: constantly for 18 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: However, if this was a thought..
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  Speaker 9: An unwelcome, intrusive thought, but still a thought, that's basically
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  Speaker 9: this is your last chance, you have to kill the
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  Speaker 9: kids so you can kill yourself, then that would be
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  Speaker 9: consistent with thoughts that she'd been experiencing for some time.
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  Speaker 9: She'd been having thoughts about harming herself, that she was...
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  Speaker 9: It was going to be very difficult for her to...
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  Speaker 9: to do this in a way that made sense.
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  Speaker 2: So there you have one of the top mental health
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  Speaker 2: experts that they have in the trial saying that she
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  Speaker 2: had never had an hallucination before it. She hasn't had
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  Speaker 2: one since. And to have an 18-minute hallucination in which
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  Speaker 2: you claim you don't know what you're doing, but you're
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  Speaker 2: methodically saying, killing children in the way you kind of
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  Speaker 2: meticulously planned. You had to get the exercise bands. You
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  Speaker 2: had to have the space to do it. You had
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  Speaker 2: to meticulously take them there. You had to send the
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  Speaker 2: husband out on an errand. You had to do all
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  Speaker 2: the things in order to line up all the moving
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  Speaker 2: pieces to make it all happen. What he's in essence
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  Speaker 2: saying is that there's no way she didn't know what
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  Speaker 2: she was doing. There's no way that she didn't know it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing so many women in real life and on
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  Speaker 2: different circles on social media that are just saying, don't
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  Speaker 2: put this on postpartum depression or psychosis. I had postpartum depression.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't kill my kids. And this is the challenge.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to impugn a lot of good mothers and
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  Speaker 2: make society question whether or not they're fit. Because you
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  Speaker 2: use this as the excuse? Nope, not buying it. Kevin
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  Speaker 2: McCullough coming right back.
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  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Back to That Kevin Show. It's the Tuesday edition. And
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  Speaker 2: you know that I've been somewhat reluctant to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Lindsay Clancy story, although now that we're coming to
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  Speaker 2: the end of the trial and kind of the point
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  Speaker 2: where it's all going to culminate, I am talking about
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  Speaker 2: it more freely. I wrote about it at townhall.com yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to, go check that out because that's
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  Speaker 2: my more concise thoughts on it. Belinda Perillo is back
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  Speaker 2: with me. She joins me every Tuesday. And normally we
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: talk about travel because we both love to travel. Belinda,
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  Speaker 2: something that this audience may not know about you is
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  Speaker 2: that you are a mom of not one, not two,
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  Speaker 2: not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven,
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  Speaker 2: but eight Linda Perillo kids. And they are all amazing children.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that you have had nothing but joy
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  Speaker 2: in being their mom. But The Lindsay Clancy story bothered
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  Speaker 2: me from the beginning in that the defense was so
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  Speaker 2: willing to use it and so willing to say, oh, postpartum, postpartum, postpartum.
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  Speaker 13: Always.
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  Speaker 1: Always.
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  Speaker 10: That's always.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, you know what? What about all the
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  Speaker 2: millions and billions of women who have had postpartum that
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  Speaker 2: would never under any circumstance kill their children? Is that
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  Speaker 2: really an excuse? I'm curious what a mom of eight
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  Speaker 2: would tell me.
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  Speaker 10: No, it's not an excuse. And I think they're looking
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  Speaker 10: for it as an excuse for her because. this postpartum psychosis,
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  Speaker 10: which I had never heard of before. You've heard of
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  Speaker 10: baby blues. You've heard of postpartum depression.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's all on the continuum of being postpartum.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah. But the thing is, postpartum psychosis, from what I understand,
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  Speaker 10: is way down the line. It's like seven or eight
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  Speaker 10: months into the process. So, you know, we also confuse, Kevin,
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  Speaker 10: baby blues, which are normal hormonal changes when you have
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  Speaker 10: a baby with postpartum depression. And we use the term
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  Speaker 10: postpartum depression so loosely to exonerate, you know, a woman
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  Speaker 10: that's gone crazy after she's had a baby. When, as
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  Speaker 10: you point out, we've been having baby for billions and
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  Speaker 10: gazillions of years. And is it tough? Yeah, it's tough
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  Speaker 10: in the beginning. The adjustment's tough. But like you said,
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  Speaker 10: where's the license to harm or kill your kid? I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 10: There's a line there.
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  Speaker 2: And I kind of think if you make that an
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  Speaker 2: easy excuse, I just think you're insulting millions of moms
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  Speaker 2: that have suffered through postpartum depression as bad as what
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  Speaker 2: this one had and didn't kill their kids.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be like, oh, I just give up on everything. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I can kill my kids.
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  Speaker 14: What happened?
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  Speaker 10: I don't feel good. I feel like I'm going to
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  Speaker 10: hurt the baby.
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  Speaker 2: Here, take the baby.
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  Speaker 15: I can't do this.
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  Speaker 14: Go away.
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  Speaker 10: Get a therapist. Whatever you got to do to not
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  Speaker 10: have that happen. Maybe as you're said than done, Kevin,
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  Speaker 10: like I said, I haven't been in that position, thank
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  Speaker 10: the good Lord. We don't know what she was going through,
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  Speaker 10: but what was she going through? But again- We cannot
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  Speaker 10: exonerate her for killing her children. They are innocent and
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  Speaker 10: dependent upon their mother at that moment. You realize that?
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  Speaker 10: That's another thing.
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  Speaker 2: I was on Ed Henry last night on Newsmax, and
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  Speaker 2: he played a little sounder from a news package. And
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  Speaker 2: in the package, there was a soundbite from a woman
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  Speaker 2: who's outside the courthouse, one of these women, and they
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  Speaker 2: all look the same. Middle-aged, white, probably middle to upper
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  Speaker 2: class women. liberal white women. And she, and she kind
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  Speaker 2: of just, I don't know. She was, you could tell
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  Speaker 2: she was kind of fascinated that she was on camera
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  Speaker 2: for the first time. Cause she kind of had that
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  Speaker 2: look in her eye, like, Oh, I'm on TV and
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  Speaker 2: I've never been on TV before. And they're like, you
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  Speaker 2: know how they look. It's that, it's that thing that
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  Speaker 2: they do with their eyes and everything. And she's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're just out here for a really good cause.
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  Speaker 10: A really good cause.
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  Speaker 2: And it stopped me in my tracks and Ed didn't
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  Speaker 2: come to me right away. So I didn't get to
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  Speaker 2: react to it. He went to the other guy. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought, a really good cause? What about the Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: Clancy trial can you classify as being a really good cause?
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  Speaker 2: You're there holding up the Taylor Swift heart hands to
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  Speaker 2: the camera as a big group in your pink shirts,
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  Speaker 2: all united, saying that what? You support someone who took
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  Speaker 2: one child into a room, put rubber bands around their neck,
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  Speaker 2: squeezed it until they suffocated. Went and got the next one,
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  Speaker 2: brought them in, did the same thing. And can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine the horror that those kids knew in coming that
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  Speaker 2: they were next? But she did that three times. Three
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  Speaker 2: times is premeditation. Even if you're really wacko on the
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  Speaker 2: first one, you're like, what did I do? I lost
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  Speaker 2: my mind. I killed my first kid. Well, what about
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  Speaker 2: the second one? You went back out, got them, brought
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  Speaker 2: them in. I mean, you could probably detail 14 different
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  Speaker 2: choices that she made in between each child that she
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  Speaker 2: proactively made. I'm going to go walk outside. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to get the child. I'm going to bring them in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to lay them on the bed. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to put the rubber band around their neck. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to squeeze it. So I don't think you get away
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  Speaker 2: with saying it wasn't premeditated. And you've already said that
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  Speaker 2: you did it. And I just don't think society can
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  Speaker 2: look on this and go, oh, okay, we understand.
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  Speaker 10: Here are the good causes. You want a good cause?
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  Speaker 10: Why don't you support the husband? Because that guy is
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  Speaker 10: suffering more than anybody. Those children are dead. They're not
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  Speaker 10: suffering anymore. That guy's got to live with this the
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  Speaker 10: rest of his life. And he lost three children to
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  Speaker 10: the mother of his children. That's the sick part. I
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  Speaker 10: feel badly for Patrick Clancy.
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  Speaker 13: I do.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, too, because I think that
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  Speaker 2: there is no greater betrayal of power in the universe
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  Speaker 2: than a mom taking the life of her own child.
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  Speaker 10: As a Christian woman, as a Catholic, as a devout Catholic,
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  Speaker 10: you want to do what the Lord would ask and
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  Speaker 10: that would be to forgive. But you know, one of
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  Speaker 10: the things about forgiveness, Kevin, is we cannot forget. And
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  Speaker 10: it doesn't mean that you have to align yourself with
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  Speaker 10: what she did as being okay. You know, it just
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  Speaker 10: means that you, It just means that you say, Lord,
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  Speaker 10: have mercy on her. I don't hate her. And I
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  Speaker 10: understand and have empathy for what she did, but it
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  Speaker 10: doesn't mean you have to say, well, it's all over now.
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  Speaker 14: Oh, let her go.
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  Speaker 10: We forget her.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly don't think an acquittal in any way would
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  Speaker 2: ever be looked upon. I think, and from a human perspective,
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's hard to forgive some of these
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  Speaker 2: people that do really heinous things. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: why they have to face Jesus themselves and say, Either, Lord,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and I choose not to be this person,
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. But that's between them. We as a society
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  Speaker 2: have a responsibility to send the message very strongly that
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  Speaker 2: we do not advocate the killing of kids. And that
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  Speaker 2: we need to do everything we can to prevent that
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  Speaker 2: going forward. Anyway, Linda, always good to see you. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for stopping by. And come and see us. We're going
• 35:23
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  Speaker 2: to you then.
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• 39:26
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  Speaker 2: like they did a couple of years ago? No, that's
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  Speaker 2: So they should have spoken up. But they didn't, so
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: now we have to cancel Target because they didn't speak
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• 40:34
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  Speaker 2: today we were going to talk about two different legal
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• 42:22
  Speaker 2: them in great detail in the first hour, the Lindsay
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Clancy trial. Zach Smith is going to be with me
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: later this hour from the Heritage Foundation talking about some
• 42:29
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• 42:32
  Speaker 2: ramifications of our other big legal story today, which is
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: a ginormous win for the Trump administration at the Supreme Court. Now,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: of course, it was a Massachusetts judge that had to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: be overruled. Of course, she had been appointed by Barack Obama.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: And of course, when President Trump signed an executive order
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: in March requiring, get this, basic verification safeguards for mail-in voting. Ooh,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: so controversial. The president signed an executive order. that required
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: basic verification safeguards for mail-in votes. Oh, my goodness. He's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: so out of control. I saw Robert De Niro on
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: social yesterday, and he was wearing a Canadian shirt with
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: a big Canadian flag and words on it that said,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: don't worry, Canada, we hate him too. Except that we don't.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: We overwhelmingly elected him by a majority of the country,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: a majority of popular votes, an overwhelming majority of electoral votes.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: And the Robert De Niro's of the world. Yeah, you
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: can just go, you know, pound chop wood because you're
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: not going to you're not going to find any, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: strong Canadian sympathizers. Our farmers being taken to the woodshed
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: by by Canada, the thing, the massive imbalance in what
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: we do with them is all that the president is
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: trying to correct. So the fact that De Niro took
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: it the way he did and did it the way
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: he he had the opportunity to, and then yeah, we
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: hate him too. Well, you may hate him, but you
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: don't speak for all of us, Bob De Niro. So
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: thanks for not, you know, throwing a lumping us all
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: together there, except that you kind of did anyway. But
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: so I understand that the president signing an executive order
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: in March that required basic verification safeguards for mail-in voting. Oh,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: it's so controversial. The judge, judge Indira Talwani in Boston said,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: when he signed that, blocked the federal government from applying
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: key provisions in 23 states and the District of Columbia
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: ahead of this year's elections. But on Monday, the Supreme
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Court said, nope, can't do that, Judge. Not on the merits.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Not yet. But the administration can move forward. That's what
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court said yesterday. And before anybody starts hyperventilating
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: about voter suppression, let's look at what Trump actually ordered.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: He directed Homeland Security to compile lists of adult U.S.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: citizens and make that information available to state election officials
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: before federal elections.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: So that states have another tool for verifying who is
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: actually eligible to vote. He told the Attorney General to
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: prioritize prosecutions when officials knowingly issue federal ballots to people
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: who aren't eligible to receive them. So he does two things.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: He says, Homeland Security, make lists of legal voters available
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: to the local states. And number two, Attorney General, prioritize
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: prosecutions when officials allow federal ballots to be sent to
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: people that should not receive them. He also directed the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Postal Service, another agency that's under the executive branch, by
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the way. He directed the Postal Service toward a system
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: in which states identify the voters who are supposed to
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: receive mail-in ballots. before those ballots start moving through the mail.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And that's it. Read the decision again if you need to.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: All we're talking about is verifying eligibility, enforcing laws already
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: on the books, and knowing who is supposed to receive
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: a ballot before the government puts one in the mail.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And apparently this was alarming enough that 23 states and
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the District of Columbia went running to federal court before
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: much of it had even happened. Which brings us to
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. and brings us to the Supreme Court today.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: The majority didn't need to settle every future constitutional question
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: surrounding Trump's order to expose the problem with Telwani's injunction.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: The court basically told the states, you're not there yet.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: The DHS provision is currently an instruction from the president
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: to his own subordinate. The states haven't yet been ordered
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: to do anything under it. Trump's direction to the Attorney
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: General about prosecuting priorities Presidents direct the executive branch enforcement
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: priorities all the time. That's the job. And the Postal
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Service provision hadn't even reached the point of a final
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: rule when the state sued. So what exactly was Judge
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Telwani stopping? Let me make a comparison. You ever know
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: that your kids did something that they weren't supposed to do,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: but you didn't know it? But you saw them like
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: being overly defensive about something that they shouldn't have been
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: overly defensive about. Like they kind of indicated that there
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: was something. That's what she did. The states went to
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: court over consequences that in significant part had not occurred.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: A federal district judge nevertheless stopped the administration from moving
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: ahead and the Supreme Court said, nope, too early. Nobody's
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: been hurt. Nothing's been done here. If a state is
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: mailing ballots, election officials should know that the people receiving
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: them are entitled to receive them. And if the federal
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: government already possesses information that can help states maintain accurate
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: voter records, they should use it. You'll notice I keep
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: coming back to how basic this is. We require identification
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: and verification for countless things in American life. And many
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: of them considerably less consequential than choosing the people who
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: run the country. Yet somehow, election verification continually gets treated
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: as though asking a government database to confirm eligibility is
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: is the first seen in a dystopian novel. It isn't.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: This is basic election integrity, and voters have every right
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: to demand it, and in the election of Donald Trump,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: they kind of did. The resistance to even modest verification
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: measures is exactly why confidence in elections has become such
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a problem. Americans shouldn't have to wonder whether voter rolls
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: are accurate. They shouldn't have to wonder whether ballots are
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: being mailed where they're supposed to go. They shouldn't have
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to discover after an election that officials possessed information capable
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: of identifying problems but weren't using it. Election integrity isn't complicated.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Know who's eligible. Know where the ballots are going. Punish
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: officials who violate the law. Count lawful votes. Then publish
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the results and stand by them. Judge Talwani tried to
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: freeze portions of Trump's effort before the feared conversation. had
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: even materialized. And again, I think they protest too much.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: It's the kid fast-chatting you when you walked in before
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you even knew that they did anything wrong. 23 states
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and D.C. wanted one federal judge in Massachusetts to stop
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: election integrity before much of the machinery they were complaining
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: about had even started moving. Think about that. The administration
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: says it wants better eligibility verification, and the response was,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the response wasn't, well, let's see if it works, and
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like, well, we think that's a good idea.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: It was, get a judge. And for now, the Supreme
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Court has said no. States may have opportunities to litigate
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: concrete applications of these policies, but they don't get to
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: turn speculation into about what might happen into a nationwide
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: roadblock against the president doing what the executive branch is
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: legally permitted and expected to do. And that's good. President
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Trump should move ahead, figure out who's eligible, make sure
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: ballots go only where they're supposed to, enforce the law
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: when somebody knowingly breaks it, and count every lawful vote.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: For the life of me, I still can't figure out
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: which one of those we're supposed to be afraid of.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: But good on the Supreme Court and good on President Trump.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, come right back.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 51:01
  Speaker 11: All right, welcome.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: It's Tuesday. And as I said in the commentary, a
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: great win for the president yesterday at the Supreme Court.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: It's not a permanent thing, but at least the court
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: had enough sense to say, hey, nobody's been harmed by
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the idea of this policy just yet. Let's wait until,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: you know, let's not put the cart in front of
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: the horse kind of thing. And I think that at
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, they're going to be consistent
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: with this. But let me get some other perspective. KT
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: McFarland is back with us. We normally talk about national
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: security and foreign policy stuff. KT has traveled the world extensively,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: not just for presidents, but also independently. And KT, one
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: of the things that I am amazed at, and it
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: does not get mentioned in our discussion of this here
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: in the U.S. very much, but we have like 1960s
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: level elections where When the rest of the world is
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: kind of like on 2021 in terms of like the security,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the reliability, the way they do them, the confidence that
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: they have in them. And I know that there's no
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: reason why we should be, particularly when it comes to
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: voter integrity and making sure that we have accurate results.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts on what the Supreme Court did?
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: You know, we're the laughingstock of the world for our elections.
• 52:19
  Speaker 13: We're held up by the world as a nation of laws,
• 52:22
  Speaker 13: the world's greatest democracy. And yet every time we go
• 52:24
  Speaker 13: through our election season, it's not an election day. It's
• 52:28
  Speaker 13: like an election month.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:31
  Speaker 13: So not only are the elections sort of long running
• 52:35
  Speaker 13: and even when election day comes and goes, it seems
• 52:38
  Speaker 13: you can still vote after election day. And the fact
• 52:41
  Speaker 13: that you have one election result, what looks like an
• 52:44
  Speaker 13: election result on election evening, and then it changes completely overnight.
• 52:49
  Speaker 13: And the fact that it always changes in one direction.
• 52:52
  Speaker 13: And it usually changes in the big cities, in the corrupt,
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: incompetent big cities that are competent only at one thing,
• 53:00
  Speaker 13: which is unfair. So it's about time. The technology has
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: been there for a long time. And anyone who says
• 53:08
  Speaker 13: that you don't need identification to vote is somebody who's
• 53:13
  Speaker 13: cheating because you have identification to do everything, to enter
• 53:17
  Speaker 13: a federal building. You have to have identification. You know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 13: every step of your day, how many times a day
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: do you use identification? But the one place you're not
• 53:26
  Speaker 13: allowed to is the one place that is supposed to
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: be most sacred. The most sacred right of an American
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: citizen is to exercise their vote, their right to vote.
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: So it's about time. I'm glad the Supreme Court did it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 13: I hope we tighten up the rolls. I hope we
• 53:39
  Speaker 13: bring back things like voter ID. And the one way
• 53:43
  Speaker 13: we could do it, I've always thought, is to on
• 53:46
  Speaker 13: Election Day. only vote on one day unless you have
• 53:50
  Speaker 13: permission slip not to, is to federalize all of the
• 53:53
  Speaker 13: election sites for one day because to get into a
• 53:57
  Speaker 13: federal building, you need to show an ID.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Huh. Hadn't thought about that. But if you did that,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: of course, blue states that would deem honest elections a loss,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: they're going to fight it. And they did fight it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Like this case that was before the court, I found
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: it to be hilarious. By the way, this win doesn't
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Put any new laws into play. This win doesn't do
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: anything different than what's already been done. It's just allowing
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the standards to be made consistent in blue states that
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: red states have adopted already for quite some time. But
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: the people that are opposing it, Katie, they're fighting for
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: things like leaving bad names. And unverified addresses on the
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: voter rolls so that ballots can be sent to nowhere.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: It's like it's when you when you get into the
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: details of what they actually sued for, you're like, wait,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: you're literally filing a lawsuit against the administration for the
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: purpose of cheating.
• 54:57
  Speaker 13: You know, I think the one great thing that Donald
• 55:00
  Speaker 13: Trump has brought back is common sense, whether it's common
• 55:03
  Speaker 13: sense over women playing in women's sports, not men playing
• 55:07
  Speaker 13: in women's sports, whether it's the whole DEI agenda, whether
• 55:11
  Speaker 13: it's the whole racist thing of rewarding people for whatever
• 55:16
  Speaker 13: they're aggrieved about. Agreement is as opposed to rewarding them
• 55:20
  Speaker 13: for their capabilities. I mean, the most obvious thing is
• 55:23
  Speaker 13: you want to know that American elections are safe and secure.
• 55:26
  Speaker 13: And one of the ways you do that is to
• 55:28
  Speaker 13: have a clean voting roll. And one of the ways
• 55:31
  Speaker 13: you do that is when people die, you take them
• 55:32
  Speaker 13: off the voting roll. Or when people move, you take
• 55:35
  Speaker 13: them off that voting roll. Or you actually have to
• 55:39
  Speaker 13: have someone prove citizenship in order to register to vote.
• 55:43
  Speaker 13: You scratch your head when you realize the twists and
• 55:46
  Speaker 13: turns and pretzel-like shapes that some of the inner cities
• 55:50
  Speaker 13: and the red states are trying to do in order
• 55:52
  Speaker 13: to cheat. And it leads you to believe, you know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 13: if it looks like a dog and it walks like
• 55:57
  Speaker 13: a dog and it barks like a dog, guess what?
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: It's probably a dog.
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: And it's not just the fairness of it and to
• 56:04
  Speaker 13: make sure they are, but it's the underlying premise of
• 56:06
  Speaker 13: democracy is that our elections are fair and we have
• 56:10
  Speaker 13: the right to govern ourselves and we have the right
• 56:12
  Speaker 13: to choose our leaders. And if you take away that
• 56:15
  Speaker 13: foundational principle of the Constitution and a democracy, what do
• 56:19
  Speaker 13: you have left? It's a banana republic. So I think
• 56:22
  Speaker 13: it's a very good day for the world that the
• 56:24
  Speaker 13: Supreme Court did this, and I certainly hope that we
• 56:27
  Speaker 13: continue in that direction, clean up the voter rolls, make
• 56:30
  Speaker 13: sure people vote who are citizens and nobody else gets
• 56:33
  Speaker 13: to vote, and to make citizenship not only a privilege
• 56:37
  Speaker 13: but a responsibility.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's one of those things where we can
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: lead the way and show the way. And I want
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: to ask you about this because I know that this
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: was all connected. There was this voting machine company, Dominion.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: They filed a bunch of lawsuits, got a lot of
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: people to pay a lot of money for things. We're
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: learning things about that company that turned out not to
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: be exactly as stated as well. But like in places
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: like Venezuela where and I know that in your lifetime,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: you remember the Venezuela of the past that was prosperous,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: that was thriving, that was, you know, had a huge
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: energy industry and was and was working well to make
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: its people's lives better. And the way they the way
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: the corrupt powers came in is they they overtook it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: with shoddy elections, and then they kept those shoddy election
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: practices in place to keep those dictators in place until
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: we went in there and said, Maduro, you're out.
• 57:34
  Speaker 13: The fact that the United States of America, with all
• 57:37
  Speaker 13: of our technological capabilities and the wealth and everything else,
• 57:42
  Speaker 13: somehow can't get their act together in a simple election,
• 57:46
  Speaker 13: I don't know, it makes us look like a laughingstock
• 57:48
  Speaker 13: to the world. And it also is to tell the
• 57:51
  Speaker 13: world we don't really care about real elections, when we do.
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: So I think it not only is going to be
• 57:55
  Speaker 13: important for confidence that the American citizens have in the
• 57:59
  Speaker 13: integrity of their elections, but if we can turn this
• 58:02
  Speaker 13: around and clean it up, then we've become a real
• 58:05
  Speaker 13: example to the world. And I keep looking back at
• 58:07
  Speaker 13: the state of Florida in 2000. The state of Florida
• 58:11
  Speaker 13: was a mess. Remember, it took two months before you
• 58:14
  Speaker 13: could figure out who really won the election because there.
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: Were voting machines that didn't work. They were hanging.
• 58:20
  Speaker 13: And, you know, and it was just a joke. Well,
• 58:23
  Speaker 13: what did Florida do out of embarrassment and shame? It
• 58:26
  Speaker 13: cleaned up its voter rolls. It cleaned up its method
• 58:28
  Speaker 13: of voting. It had early voting, but with identification.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And with a definitive cutoff date.
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: And a definitive cutoff date. And so by election day,
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: and I know this because my daughter is a state
• 58:40
  Speaker 13: representative in Florida, Representative Fiona McFarland. By election night, within
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: 20 minutes after the polls closed, you know who won.
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: And you know by how much.
• 58:50
  Speaker 13: And if you try to cheat the system in Florida,
• 58:53
  Speaker 13: if you try to register in two places and vote
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: in two places or get your dog registered, you are caught.
• 59:00
  Speaker 13: You have fines to pay and jail sentences to serve.
• 59:04
  Speaker 13: So if Florida can do it, anybody can do it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's really discouraging about that and I know
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: that you love New York City, but the city can't.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: L.A.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Couldn't count mayoral votes in the same length of time
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: that Florida can count the entire state. This is one
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: of those things where you look at it and go,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: there's got to be something wrong here. Last question, very quick.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Since Trump's been back, Every Western hemispheric election has gone
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: to the non-Marxist. They've kicked a lot of Marxists out
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: of our Western hemisphere. To what influence do you attribute
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump to that?
• 59:43
  Speaker 13: 100 percent. For a couple of reasons.
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: One, when.
• 59:48
  Speaker 13: Millet in Argentina came into power. Trump backed him. And
• 59:53
  Speaker 13: Millet came into power saying, I'm going to do what
• 59:55
  Speaker 13: Trump did. I'm going to cut out government waste, fraud,
• 59:58
  Speaker 13: and abuse.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: And so he did.
• 59:59
  Speaker 13: He eliminated like 30% of the government bureaucracy. It turned
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 13: around the economy. It's turned around the country. In El Salvador, Bucalay,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 13: the leader Bucalay said, I'm going to call it what
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 13: it is. If they're gang members, I'm putting them in jail.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 13: And I'm not going to be worried about their rights.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 13: I'm worried about the people that they're killing. And so
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 13: that turned around. And then the other thing is that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 13: we stopped giving– the United States USAID stopped giving– grants
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 13: and monies to a lot of those anti-american groups that
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 13: we were believe it or not we were paying anti-american
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 13: groups just to do their anti-american thing and their anti-capitalist
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: and their anti-democracy thing we were paying for it we
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 13: cut that out and so that's changed the environment and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: i think nothing succeeds like success yeah Countries in that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 13: region are the United States, now we have Argentina, and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 13: there are probably six more countries in South America and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 13: Latin America and Central America that have changed.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: Their governance, and they're all thriving.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 13: So I think that the last piece of the Western
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 13: Hemisphere will be Cuba, and I do think that we
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: will have a new government, a post-communist government in Cuba,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 13: and that Cuba will be a prosperous, successful nation, and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 13: that'll happen sooner rather than later.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it is amazing when the USAID funds dried up
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: how quickly those elections all swung one way. And I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: just think the truth speaks for itself. KT McFarlane, always
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: appreciate your insights. Thank you, lady.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: Thank you.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: You got it. Kevin McCullough coming right back.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 11: Stick around for more of That Kevin.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: Next.
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  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 12: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, glad to have you with us. It's That
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com for all things related, whether it's the
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  Speaker 2: TV clips, the column, all the stuff. And you know
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  Speaker 2: that I've written a lot this summer, much more than
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  Speaker 2: I ever anticipated about the men and women's sports issue
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  Speaker 2: as it is still being thrust upon us literally every
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  Speaker 2: by the most profitable women's sports league in the country
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  Speaker 2: right now. There's no other league on par with the
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  Speaker 2: WNBA in terms of TV contracts and everything else, and
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  Speaker 2: yet that seems to be the place where if you
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  Speaker 2: show up with a shirt that says XX-XY, you get
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  Speaker 2: thrown out of a game, while if you show up
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  Speaker 2: to watch a game saying something like all trans lives
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  Speaker 2: matter or something like that, they welcome you and applaud
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  Speaker 2: you and you're allowed to stay. Not only at the
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  Speaker 2: Barclays Center did they have this protest outside, there were
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  Speaker 2: messages that they put up on the scoreboard inside the
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  Speaker 2: game that were allowed to take positions on this. And
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  Speaker 2: there were three pro-trans positions broadcast on the super screen inside.
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  Speaker 2: The one woman, who was from the XX-XY Corporation, which
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  Speaker 2: is just a clothing brand. There's nothing more sinister to
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  Speaker 2: it than that. It's just this clothing brand with those
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  Speaker 2: letters on it. She was not allowed to have her
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  Speaker 2: message displayed to the New York Liberty's home team. So
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting that this double standard exists. Alexandra
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  Speaker 2: Bauer is back with us from Moms for Liberty of
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  Speaker 2: Bergen County here in the tri-state area. And Alex, it's
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  Speaker 2: not just the NBA that's having this issue. There are
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  Speaker 2: governors that are still trying to live in their own
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  Speaker 2: reality as well. And sadly, you live in a state
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  Speaker 2: where one of them exists. Mikey Sherrill has been on
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  Speaker 2: a rampage of sorts, if you will, in recent days,
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  Speaker 2: signing laws that prevent people from doing basic constitutional things
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  Speaker 2: like expressing their faith or praying in public places and
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  Speaker 2: in certain ways in certain times. Tell us a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about what she's trying to do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's basically going to fine you and throw you
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  Speaker 4: in jail if you are praying outside of any sort
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  Speaker 4: of women's reproductive health clinics, abortion clinics, things like that.
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  Speaker 4: She's saying that it's going to be intimidating to those
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  Speaker 4: people having to go in and get whatever procedures or
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  Speaker 4: help that they want.
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  Speaker 14: Who's going to be the judge of that?
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  Speaker 4: Who is going to be the person that says, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 4: that's intimidating or that's not? I mean, this is This
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  Speaker 4: is probably the wildest thing that I've seen her do,
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  Speaker 4: but actually do so far. Two months ago, she actually
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  Speaker 4: wanted the legislation that was going through, and it sort
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  Speaker 4: of changed a little bit before it got to her desk,
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  Speaker 4: was that even if you spoke about it to anybody.
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  Speaker 14: So, for instance, if I were.
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  Speaker 4: To speak to someone and give someone advice, they could
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  Speaker 4: then come after me just for giving advice at any time, anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: If I were to make a video and talk about
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  Speaker 4: something like that, they could come after me.
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  Speaker 14: They knew that that was just off the deep end.
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  Speaker 4: And they ended up changing the language before the bill
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  Speaker 4: actually got on her desk. But, you know, she is
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  Speaker 4: completely anti- The residents of New Jersey, she really is.
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  Speaker 4: She listens to a very small amount of people. And
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  Speaker 4: these are the people that she sort of, you know, kneels.
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  Speaker 14: To, if you would.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the majority of New Jersey. And that's what
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  Speaker 4: she needs to understand. Frankly, nobody wanted her as our governor.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't vote her in. I mean, where did those
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  Speaker 4: extra votes come from?
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  Speaker 2: I have significant issue with the New Jersey totals from
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  Speaker 2: her gubernatorial race.
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  Speaker 4: They figure, well, someone's not going to be paying attention
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  Speaker 4: and maybe we'll get away with that. But the difference
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  Speaker 4: is we are paying attention.
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  Speaker 2: For people that are not familiar with Moms for Liberty,
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  Speaker 2: real quickly, give us the mission, what they're about, how
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  Speaker 2: people can join.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Moms for Liberty. So we want to empower parents.
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  Speaker 4: And the way we do that is we teach them,
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  Speaker 4: we educate them, and we give them the tools so
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  Speaker 4: that they understand their parental rights and that this way
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  Speaker 4: they can stand up for their children. You know, you
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  Speaker 4: have 100% God-given rights. to, you know, decide the education
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  Speaker 4: for your children, how they're brought up, their morals and values.
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  Speaker 14: And that is not something that.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody can take away from you.
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  Speaker 14: But, you know, sometimes it's confusing.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you've never been to a board event meeting. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: you just don't know the curriculum. You have a lot
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  Speaker 4: of questions. So we help people with that. They can
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  Speaker 4: go to momstoliberty.org and there's a cute little map on
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  Speaker 4: there and you can find your chapter and and it
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  Speaker 4: will connect you to us. So, you know, and we're
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  Speaker 4: happy to help everybody. I know that there's not a
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  Speaker 4: chapter in every county. I'm actually the ambassador now for
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  Speaker 4: New Jersey. So I'm able to help out the entire state.
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  Speaker 14: So just reach out to me.
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  Speaker 4: Also have social media, Moms for Liberty, Facebook, X, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think we're going to have MySpace soon.
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  Speaker 2: So what are Moms for Liberty's plans for November? Are
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  Speaker 2: you guys involved in a lot of congressional races?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, so we we only endorse school candidates for now.
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  Speaker 4: So board of ed or superintendent, things like that. We
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  Speaker 4: that's what we're about. That's what we try to help
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  Speaker 4: people because, you know, you really do have to start
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  Speaker 4: on that, you know, local scale.
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  Speaker 2: All politics is local.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct. You really have to start there. So
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  Speaker 4: we help.
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  Speaker 14: Parents run for board of ed or help them, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, go to the board of ed meeting so that
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  Speaker 4: they understand how they're run, what they're allowed to change,
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  Speaker 4: things like that. So we're very busy vetting candidates and
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  Speaker 4: endorsing them and helping them.
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  Speaker 14: So we're super busy with that.
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  Speaker 4: And then we also have a our yearly Moms for
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  Speaker 4: Liberty Summit happening this year.
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  Speaker 14: It's in Dallas. October 8th to the 10th. And that's
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  Speaker 14: a great thing to go to.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have to be a chapter leader to attend that.
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  Speaker 14: You could just be a parent that wants more information.
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  Speaker 14: We have awesome speakers.
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  Speaker 4: We have awesome breakout sessions that really help give you
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  Speaker 4: those tools to effectively help your children have the best
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  Speaker 4: education that they can get.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Bauer, thank you for all that you're doing. Friends,
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  Speaker 2: stay right here. We're coming right back to Times Square.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go away.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York.
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  Speaker 7: That Kevin.
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  Speaker 8: Kevin.
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  Speaker 12: McCullough.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Times Square.
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  Speaker 2: It's That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com. And as I have been
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  Speaker 2: making mention of throughout the show today, pretty big win
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  Speaker 2: for the president at the Supreme Court yesterday. And it
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  Speaker 2: has to do with this year's elections, which is kind
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  Speaker 2: of exciting. Zach Smith is back with us from the
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  Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation, senior legal fellow with the Heritage Foundation. Zach,
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  Speaker 2: we've got two kind of big court things that we're
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  Speaker 2: thinking about today. The Lindsey Clancy case, I'll ask you
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  Speaker 2: about that in a second. But this Supreme Court win
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  Speaker 2: for the administration allows them to actually hold people accountable
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  Speaker 2: in blue states in this election cycle to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that they play right.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, look, well, thanks for having me on the show today, Kevin.
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  Speaker 15: I think it's important to understand exactly what President Trump's
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  Speaker 15: executive order was trying to do. It essentially had three
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  Speaker 15: pieces to it. The first is it ordered the Secretary
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  Speaker 15: of Homeland Security to provide citizenship lists to states in
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  Speaker 15: advance of elections. That way states could use those and
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  Speaker 15: check their voter rolls if they wanted to. The court
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  Speaker 15: made clear that was a directive President Trump gave to DHS.
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  Speaker 15: There was nothing for states to do. And so the
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  Speaker 15: state's rights weren't violated. There was no harm to the
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  Speaker 15: states by the president simply telling the DHS secretary to
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  Speaker 15: take this step. The second piece of this was President
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  Speaker 15: Trump ordered the Attorney General to prioritize prosecuting individuals who
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  Speaker 15: illegally provide ballots to ineligible voters. Again, there's no harm
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  Speaker 15: to states. The president's simply telling the Attorney General what
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  Speaker 15: types of prosecutions to prioritize. Now, the third piece that's
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  Speaker 15: gotten most of the attention is is the Postal Service Regulation,
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  Speaker 15: where the president is ordering the Postal Service not to
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  Speaker 15: take any particular action, but simply to start a rulemaking
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  Speaker 15: process so that the Postal Service can better check and
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  Speaker 15: track mail-in or absentee ballots. And if you read the
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  Speaker 15: Supreme Court's decision, the majority opinion that it released yesterday,
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  Speaker 15: the justices said, that there was nothing for the states
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  Speaker 15: to do. The president hadn't even given the Postal Service
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  Speaker 15: an order. He simply told them to start the rulemaking process,
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  Speaker 15: to consider evidence, and come out with a proposed policy. Now,
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  Speaker 15: since the states filed suit, the Postal Service has come
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  Speaker 15: out with that proposed regulation. But the justices said that
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  Speaker 15: didn't matter because at the time the states filed suit,
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  Speaker 15: nothing yet had happened.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and nobody's been harmed in any of it. So
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  Speaker 2: what are they even suing for? Like, that's the thing that... Like,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, there's this, this, when you're a parent,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of know things, right? So, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're getting too much explanation about something you didn't even
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  Speaker 2: ask about, there's something probably happened that you probably need
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  Speaker 2: to know about. I kind of feel like that's what
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  Speaker 2: they did here. They're like, well, you know, you can't
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  Speaker 2: do that because, and we're not, we're not saying anything
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  Speaker 2: like you, you're, you're kind of putting all the smoke
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  Speaker 2: signals out before anything's been accused.
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  Speaker 15: Well, and look, I think one of the interesting things
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  Speaker 15: from yesterday's decision is a six to three decision with
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  Speaker 15: the three liberal justices dissenting. What stood out to me
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  Speaker 15: is Justice Sotomayor and Justice Kagan issued their own dissenting opinion.
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  Speaker 15: Justice Sotomayor wrote it. Justice Kagan joined it. But neither
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  Speaker 15: of them joined Justice Kentucky Brown Jackson's separate dissenting opinion.
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  Speaker 15: And we've seen this over the course of the past
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  Speaker 15: several years. It seems like Justice Jackson is alienating many
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  Speaker 15: of her colleagues. In her very lengthy, very incendiary dissenting opinion,
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  Speaker 15: she accused her colleagues of taking their eye off the ball.
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  Speaker 15: She accused the Trump administration of trying to foment chaos
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  Speaker 15: before the upcoming election. And unfortunately, this just seems to
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  Speaker 15: be the latest installment of Justice Jackson writing for her
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  Speaker 15: social media audience, writing for cable news pundits, instead of
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  Speaker 15: really engaging and addressing with the substance of the claims.
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  Speaker 15: that were being raised. This is obviously a tragic case
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  Speaker 15: all around. Lindsay Clancy and her husband have filed medical
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  Speaker 15: malpractice suits against her medical providers. This has been a
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  Speaker 15: big part of this trial. She clearly had a lot
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  Speaker 15: of medications from a lot of different providers that don't
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  Speaker 15: seem like they were always checking with how those medications interacted.
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  Speaker 15: But to your point, Kevin, the fundamental question that the
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  Speaker 15: jury has to decide in this case, did she know
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  Speaker 15: right from wrong when she killed her children? Was she
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  Speaker 15: able to control her actions? Now, the problem the prosecution
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  Speaker 15: may have in this case is Massachusetts is somewhat of
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  Speaker 15: an outlier when it comes to their insanity defense, because
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  Speaker 15: that's essentially what Lindsey Clancy is raising, insanity defense. And
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  Speaker 15: after John Hinckley tried to assassinate President Reagan in the 1980s,
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  Speaker 15: the federal government and most states changed the way their
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  Speaker 15: insanity defense worked. Typically, in most states, if a defendant
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  Speaker 15: raises a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity,
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  Speaker 15: They bear the burden. The burden shifts to the defendant
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  Speaker 15: to show that they were legally insane at the time
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  Speaker 15: they committed the prohibited act. That's not what happens in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 15: As long as a defendant even raises the possibility of
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  Speaker 15: legal insanity, the prosecution then has to go through this
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  Speaker 15: lengthy process and essentially disprove their legal insanity claim. And
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  Speaker 15: so this can be problematic for the prosecution. Massachusetts is
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  Speaker 15: also an outlier in that there's a second avenue for
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  Speaker 15: Lindsay Clancy to avoid legal accountability. In most states, a
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  Speaker 15: defendant has to show that they didn't know the difference
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  Speaker 15: from right and wrong. Massachusetts provides a second avenue to
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  Speaker 15: be claimed legally insane. Lindsay Clancy can show what's known
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  Speaker 15: as an irresistible impulse. She can say, even if she
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  Speaker 15: knew what she was doing was wrong at the time
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  Speaker 15: she did it, if she couldn't control her actions, she
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  Speaker 15: could still escape a guilty verdict on that basis alone.
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  Speaker 15: That's why we've heard so much expert testimony from her
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  Speaker 15: psychologists and psychiatrists from the state as well. And that's
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  Speaker 15: what the jury is going to have to wrestle with
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  Speaker 15: at the.
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  Speaker 11: End of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can't anybody who's done something that they're ashamed of
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  Speaker 2: later claim poor impulse control?
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  Speaker 15: I mean, And I think what Lindsay Clancy is claiming
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  Speaker 15: here about postpartum psychosis, as I understand it, the defense
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  Speaker 15: is essentially postpartum psychosis is different than postpartum depression.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to say. I've known so many
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  Speaker 2: personal friends that have had postpartum issues post-pregnancies. And I just,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: women that experience these kinds of pains and uncomfortable experiences.
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  Speaker 2: situations after birth and i don't know a single one
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  Speaker 2: of them that have ever said oh the solution kill
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  Speaker 2: my kids like it's just i don't know it's it's
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  Speaker 2: coming up really and i think that i think that
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  Speaker 2: normal everyday people are kind of feeling like well don't
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  Speaker 2: pawn that off on just someone who's who's saying that
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  Speaker 2: they struggle with that because there have been millions of
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  Speaker 2: women who have struggled with it valiantly and come through
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  Speaker 2: the other side with no impulse to kill their children Um,
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  Speaker 2: and I've known a few that have said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had dark moments, but I gave my baby to
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  Speaker 2: my husband and I said, I need to go for
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  Speaker 2: a walk and, um, you know, calm herself down, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: There's like, there's so many, there's so many other options.
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  Speaker 2: We cannot countenance killing innocent children and say, uh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: get out of jail free card, which is not going
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  Speaker 2: to be her life. She's going to be paralyzed forever.
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  Speaker 2: So it's, it's one of those things, but Zach, always
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  Speaker 2: appreciate your insights. Thanks for being here. Of course.
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  Speaker 15: Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough coming right back from Times Square. Stay here.
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  Speaker 2: we will see you next time.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.