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The Videodrome is the Message · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: I am Brian and joining me via the magic of
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  Speaker 1: the internet is... Oh Sam, you crazy bastard. You have
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  Speaker 1: returned once again. for some sick reason, you come back.
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  Speaker 5: Man, hell of it. I can't help it. I'm addicted
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  Speaker 5: to like geeking out about things that nobody knows about anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody cares about anymore.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody cares about this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Except we do because this one happened last like Before
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  Speaker 1: last time, we were already talking about stuff, and I
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  Speaker 1: brought up the movie I had recently watched, and you
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  Speaker 1: were like, ooh, I want to talk about that. And
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  Speaker 1: as I'm watching it, going, ooh, I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about this. So I'm watching it, already planning
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  Speaker 1: the episode. I'm like, oh, we need to talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: And then you got excited, and so yeah. Even before
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  Speaker 1: Beetlejuice happened, we were already like, oh, we need to
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  Speaker 1: talk about today's movie.
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  Speaker 5: 100%.
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  Speaker 6: 100%.
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  Speaker 7: Because nobody's talked about it in 40 years.
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  Speaker 6: So....
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  Speaker 1: Now, as usual, we probably, because we're going for a
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  Speaker 1: specific movie, we shouldn't get sidetracked on an opening topic
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  Speaker 1: or we'll never get.
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  Speaker 5: To the movie.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought if we wanted to ease our way
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  Speaker 1: in with something slightly related, I think both of us,
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  Speaker 1: as we sort of discussed a long time ago when
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  Speaker 1: we started talking about this, we both, I think, have
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  Speaker 1: the same super deluxe version of it.
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  Speaker 7: We certainly do.
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  Speaker 5: I've got it in my hand right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: On that super deluxe version is an interview with directors
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  Speaker 1: that I thought maybe would be an interesting way to
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  Speaker 1: break into ease our way into the discussion of these
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  Speaker 1: type of movies.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So absolutely. So on, on this super fancy disc version
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  Speaker 1: that I guess we're not promoting cause they, they're not
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  Speaker 1: backing us. So screw them. But if you go find
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  Speaker 1: yourself a special edition of it with lots of extra
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  Speaker 1: stuff and commentaries, you're, you're probably holding the same one.
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  Speaker 7: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: But, On the special version, there is an interview that
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  Speaker 1: takes place. It's in 1982 by a young, scrapping Mick Garris.
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  Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Mick Garris. That guy's super awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And he's sitting down in 1982 to talk to John Landis,
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  Speaker 1: John Carpenter, and David Cronenberg about horror films.
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  Speaker 5: It's almost looking at the evolution of... merry chart of
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  Speaker 5: man looking at that looking at that panel because.
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  Speaker 1: You do have well it's like it's like every version
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  Speaker 1: it's like horrible human being mystery and weird dude. And
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  Speaker 1: then just like overthinking smart guys. And they all are
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  Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing, but they're doing it
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  Speaker 1: from three different directions of like, I'm going to make
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  Speaker 1: a silly comedy and also do gross things. And then
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I can't believe middle chair is not smoking
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  Speaker 1: the whole time. He's like containing himself as best he can.
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  Speaker 1: And just trying to be like, yeah, this is how
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  Speaker 1: you make horror movies. And then you've got the far
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  Speaker 1: chair that's just like spouting out the most cerebral, elevated,
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  Speaker 1: super intelligent thoughts, but also being kind of creepy as
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  Speaker 1: he does. So like it's three chairs of like approaching
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  Speaker 1: horror from the most drastically different areas. And yet they
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  Speaker 1: all have come together and put good things together. Two
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  Speaker 1: of them are awesome directors. One of them is a
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  Speaker 1: horrible human being.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So what was your take on it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, you've got, okay. So, so what I love, okay.
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  Speaker 5: What I love about this interview is yes, you've got three,
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  Speaker 5: like it would be, that would be just the greatest sitcom,
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  Speaker 5: you know, of those three guys, like, like.
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  Speaker 7: Living together, renting a house, Santa Monica, you know, uh, uh.
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  Speaker 1: I see the opening, the opening credits with John Landis
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  Speaker 1: on roller skates out on the beach. falling down as
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  Speaker 1: he's looking at other girls, you know, exactly. And then you,
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  Speaker 1: you just see him roll past John Carpenter with standing
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  Speaker 1: outside with a cigarette, just shakes his head. Is that
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  Speaker 1: idiot rolls by and, and then Cronenberg like rolls up
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  Speaker 1: in an electric car or something, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, Cronenberg is like a lizard person.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just, uh, you know, uh, him on
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  Speaker 5: that side, I've, I've just go like, uh, for him
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  Speaker 5: to make such fun. I mean, for me, his movies
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  Speaker 5: are fun. I love his movies. And, uh, and, but
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  Speaker 5: he's like just the most humorless person, uh, that, and, and,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for him just to like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: just like, he's some, he's got like, it's like some
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  Speaker 5: guys just like, he's just got this, uh, he, he
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  Speaker 5: sees the deep meaning in like looking at somebody's chewed
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  Speaker 5: up food, you know, he's just like, he's just like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, he is watching that, that, that, conversation with him
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  Speaker 1: and then listening to the commentary like he is like
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  Speaker 1: the smartest freaking person out there but at the same
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  Speaker 1: time he is like he's barely seems human yeah as
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  Speaker 1: you said he is very.
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  Speaker 7: It's like a replicant or something.
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  Speaker 1: It's yes well it's almost or just alien like he's
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  Speaker 1: looking at humans yes in quotes like these humans i
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  Speaker 1: found and i'm trying to study them and figure out
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  Speaker 1: how they work. And like, he's almost looking at it
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  Speaker 1: from a distance and be like, because I'm not one
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  Speaker 1: of you, I have to try to study you and
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  Speaker 1: figure out what, how, what, what makes you work as
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  Speaker 1: people and as a society. And like, what are all
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  Speaker 1: these weird pieces and how do they fit together? And like,
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  Speaker 1: that's how he seems to be approaching like people and
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  Speaker 1: also making film. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I think the humor and his movies
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  Speaker 5: don't come out in his personality when he's talking. And
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's, Like he's just such an
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  Speaker 5: intellectual or, or what it is. I mean, Carpenter said
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  Speaker 5: in one interview once that he goes like, compared to Cronenberg,
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  Speaker 5: we're all just bums. I mean, he's just like operating
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  Speaker 5: on such a different level, you know, that like Carpenter
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  Speaker 5: felt like, like, uh, you know, my stuff just isn't
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  Speaker 5: as good as Cronenberg's and it could never be, you know?
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  Speaker 7: And, uh, and so, so what I.
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  Speaker 1: Love, I argue it's just a different style. He has
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  Speaker 1: his masterpieces there. Don't get me wrong. He has a
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  Speaker 1: few misfires, but no, no, no. At his finest, he's
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  Speaker 1: equally as par with, with Cronenberg. No, no.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I, I prefer Carpenter movies, you know, on
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  Speaker 5: a whole, but it's, uh, but, uh, cause I'm not
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  Speaker 5: an intellectual, but.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, No, not quite.
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  Speaker 5: Landis, I have always felt weird that he has been
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  Speaker 5: given this master of horror type thing because basically he
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  Speaker 5: made one movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he made one that people care about.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And everything else he's made is either a comedy or crap.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty much. Pretty much. I mean, he had those early 80s,
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  Speaker 5: late 70s, early 80s golden period that those guys had.
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  Speaker 5: you know, uh, uh, you know, uh, car, uh, Landis
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  Speaker 5: kind of fizzled out, you know, of steam about the
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  Speaker 5: same time Carpenter did.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, about the same time he murdered.
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  Speaker 8: Aside from that, Carpenter actually went and got, I would
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  Speaker 8: say up until mouth of madness is pretty strong stuff,
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  Speaker 8: you know, with, uh.
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  Speaker 1: He was still trying like even as he did some
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  Speaker 1: of those weirder wins towards the end there it's like
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  Speaker 1: he was he's still putting an effort it's just like
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  Speaker 1: i feel like he's getting further and further away from
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  Speaker 1: what people were looking for well like somehow like he
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  Speaker 1: accidentally found it with like halloween you know it's like
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  Speaker 1: he he hit it with the thing and like even
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  Speaker 1: like your big trouble little china like he found a
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  Speaker 1: more populist version of how to do what he does
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  Speaker 1: But the further he went along, the more it's like,
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  Speaker 1: he's still trying to do that same thing, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just not finding the audience. Like they just don't mesh anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what happened from either end, but.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, people are filmmakers of their time and sometimes,
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  Speaker 5: you know, public taste change and, you know, and the
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  Speaker 5: interest change and the way films are made or changed and,
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  Speaker 5: and the collaborators they have around them change. And so,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I really feel, you know, Like with, like,
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  Speaker 5: like all these directors, when they had their core group.
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  Speaker 5: group of people that they made their first three or
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  Speaker 5: four movies with, even Landis, with his producing set and, like,
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  Speaker 5: the Elmer Bernstein music and, you know, the font, you know,
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  Speaker 5: right down to it, there was a certain.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's important.
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  Speaker 5: That's it. There's a certain quality that came out when
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  Speaker 5: they had the same DP and the same producer and
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  Speaker 5: the same.
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  Speaker 7: Little group around them.
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  Speaker 5: They kind of made movies that kind of had a
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  Speaker 5: good similar tone.
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  Speaker 7: And then when they changed.
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  Speaker 5: All their collaborators... yeah the movies feel different you know
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  Speaker 5: they just do and uh and and i really like
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  Speaker 5: those early landis films i mean i think blues brothers
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  Speaker 5: has just like a such a feel to it that
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  Speaker 5: you know blues brothers 2 you know has.
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  Speaker 9: A completely not quite like so what happened you know
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  Speaker 9: i mean landis you know uh I think just land
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  Speaker 9: has disappeared up his own asshole because he's just.
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  Speaker 5: Like, was so like, Oh yeah. Beard as like a
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  Speaker 5: comedy genius.
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  Speaker 1: And, uh, I, I mean, when meanwhile he's working with genius,
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  Speaker 1: like you're capturing lightning in a bottle, like you're at
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  Speaker 1: the peak time of like somebody like, uh, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've come to appreciate Ackroyd, but like what Belushi is
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  Speaker 1: doing is just raw energy. Like it is, it is
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  Speaker 1: something that is insane and can't be contained, but you
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  Speaker 1: can film it. And like, if, if you piece together
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  Speaker 1: the right movie around what he does, yeah, you look great,
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  Speaker 1: but really he's just there doing what he does. And like,
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  Speaker 1: it makes it work. And then later, for some reason
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  Speaker 1: you can't work with him anymore. And then you're working
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  Speaker 1: with other people and like, it just doesn't come together.
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  Speaker 1: Like even if you're working with talented people, it was
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  Speaker 1: that time and that place. And he just happened to
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  Speaker 1: be filming the right couple of things that make a
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  Speaker 1: couple of good comedies come together. But like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that he was doing anything behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: that was any more impressive. Like you don't look at
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  Speaker 1: it and go, Oh, look at the visuals on this movie. Like,
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  Speaker 1: he just set up a camera and like had the
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  Speaker 1: right connections to make these things come together.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think blues brothers is a pretty stylish
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  Speaker 5: movie and everything. It doesn't seem like hack work around it,
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  Speaker 5: but I mean, he had like the resources because of
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  Speaker 5: those two being in it and of the time and
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  Speaker 5: place it was in, you know, and, uh, it, they were,
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  Speaker 5: he was really able to, they were able to like
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  Speaker 5: have the push and, you know, kind of lightning in
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  Speaker 5: a bottle.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: But no, as a good point, uh, That, you know,
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  Speaker 5: his work, like, Coming to America maybe was the last
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  Speaker 5: decent John Landis movie, you know?
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  Speaker 1: But again, you're, like, at the peak of, like, one
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  Speaker 1: of the most, at the time, people considered the most
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  Speaker 1: talented comedian in the world, you know? It's true. People
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  Speaker 1: loved him as a stand-up, and, like, he translated really
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  Speaker 1: well when he switched to, you know, from SNL to
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  Speaker 1: making movies. Like, he immediately became huge. He became one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest... highest highest paid actors in the world
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  Speaker 1: like almost immediately as he started making films and like
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  Speaker 1: so again like all you have to do is point
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  Speaker 1: the camera like this is kind of true like that
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  Speaker 1: one you've got him playing half of the cast like
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  Speaker 1: him and Arsenio are half of the cast like you're
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  Speaker 1: it's it's their show you're just there to kind of
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  Speaker 1: keep them in frame and keep it rolling. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to totally belittle the role of the director,
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  Speaker 1: but again, I don't feel bad belittling him. Cause well,
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  Speaker 1: it does not seem like a good person.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: If it, right. It's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He seems kind of like a conceited jerk. And, uh,
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  Speaker 5: and if you watch that Vic Morrow, uh, uh, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 5: speech he did at the funeral, uh, the twilight zone funeral, uh, Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 7: That was definitely disturbing. And did you see that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the part I didn't know about. Like I
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  Speaker 1: just recently in the last year, that's why I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm putting a little extra fuel on the fire for
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  Speaker 1: this guy. Cause I didn't, I only knew kind of
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  Speaker 1: bits and pieces of the story I'd seen. It's disturbing
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  Speaker 1: that there's multiple versions of the footage of it happening.
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  Speaker 1: Not just one shot. He was rolling so many cameras.
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  Speaker 1: You can get different angles, which is disturbing. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 1: that aside, I didn't realize, like, on top of him
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  Speaker 1: just telling them to do this when they should not
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  Speaker 1: have been doing it, period, he then had the audacity
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  Speaker 1: to show up at these children's funerals and be the
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  Speaker 1: speaker for them. Like, I don't think he was asked.
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  Speaker 1: I think he showed up and was like, well, obviously
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  Speaker 1: you want me to conduct this funeral for you. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you're the reason they're dead. Like, you don't get to
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  Speaker 1: come here and act like you're a big shot.
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  Speaker 5: Like.
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  Speaker 1: yeah man that was the part i was like i
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  Speaker 1: did not realize like it's bad enough if he goes
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  Speaker 1: to vic morrow's funeral but these kids had nothing like
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  Speaker 1: they weren't even supposed to be there like they legally
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have been working at that point and he got
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  Speaker 1: them killed so it's like you don't get to show
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  Speaker 1: up at their funeral dude like no no like that
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  Speaker 1: is uh i don't know i i had no respect
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  Speaker 1: for him i don't think but i lost yeah he
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  Speaker 1: just fell so many levels down as like below being
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  Speaker 1: a human being at that point Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: It's, it's weird.
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  Speaker 5: It's weird.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, his stuff at Vic Morrow saying like, Vic
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  Speaker 5: Morrow will live forever due to him being in films,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and making a.
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  Speaker 1: He would still be alive now if it wasn't for you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was really, it was really like, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I feel like he got, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 5: he probably already had trading places and, uh, the pipeline, uh,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't really know if he ever really quite
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  Speaker 5: recovered from that career. Good. I mean, he got Coming
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  Speaker 5: to America out of the gate and everything, which was
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  Speaker 5: a huge hit, but I know one of his movies
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  Speaker 5: got released by Troma. I mean, it was.
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  Speaker 7: If.
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  Speaker 1: You want to see what a great director he is,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: go watch Beverly Hills Cop 3.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, dude, which was.
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  Speaker 1: That's him at his finest right there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a lot of... That was back when
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: I was working at a movie theater. I was going like, man,
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  Speaker 5: the early 90s is really just seeing all these great
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: directors just shit the bed.
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  Speaker 1: Cranking out shit.
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  Speaker 5: Even Carpenter came out, which was a finely entertaining, but
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  Speaker 5: not his best work, like Village of the Damned and stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going like.
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  Speaker 5: God, man, why am I working.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one I was thinking of earlier when I
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: was like, he's still doing it and he's still trying
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  Speaker 1: to do it his way. It's just not clicking. Like,
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  Speaker 1: people are watching it going, wait, what is this?
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  Speaker 5: Why are we making a remake of Village of the Damned?
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  Speaker 1: Did anybody ask for this? I don't think so. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like that and Ghost of Mars.
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  Speaker 5: He's just.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying, but.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like.
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  Speaker 7: But see, what's so funny, going back to that interview,
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  Speaker 7: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: He seems pretty bitter then, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he just seems out of sorts. It's like you
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  Speaker 1: see these other two that are so composed and seem
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  Speaker 1: like they're already kind of artists, you know? It's like,
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  Speaker 1: not to be pretentious about it, but even Carpenter, who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't take himself that seriously, is still sitting there like
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  Speaker 1: a calm professional that can talk about his work. Right.
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  Speaker 1: where Landis is like a spaz who's like coked up.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Cause he's probably coked up and he's just like, Hey,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and he's like asking more questions than Mick Garris who's
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: hosting the show. So it's like, he's just like, well, so,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and like challenging them, like, cause Garrett, Mick Garris is
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: talking about like, you know, movies that scared you and like,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: John Carpenter's maybe being a little too cool for himself,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: but he's just like, ah, movies don't scare me. And
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Landis all of a sudden spazzes out and like, never,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: like you've never been scared. And like, who fucking asked you, dude,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: first off. But then like, he's like, well, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: as a kid, sure. And like, he very calmly responds
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: to his spazzy questioning, but I'm just, it's so obnoxious
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the way that he conducts himself. Whereas the other two
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: are so reserved and like professional about the way they're
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: sitting there. Can you, conducting themselves and talking about film.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Whereas he's just seems like he's out of his mind already.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: He seems he's kind of like the Ashton Kushner of directors.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Kind of.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, poor, poor. I don't want to make that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm sorry. Sorry. No offense to Ashton Kushner. He can. Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: He conducts himself a little better these days. Well, yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: That video he released aside. But as a person, he
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: seems to be a little more calm and reserved these days.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, if nothing else, Landis brought us his kid,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Max Landis. Max Landis did write.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: One good movie.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: I liked American Ultra with Eisenberg and Stewart.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: I thought that was a fun movie. You know.
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's, I'm still so hit and miss on Stewart as
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: a person. Like, I see, and I'm trying not to be, like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: everybody got so, oh, Twilight, and they wanted to, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, but I've not done that with Pattinson. Like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I watch him and stuff, and I'm like, dude's a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: good actor. Like, I'm not gonna knock him, because he made,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: he made a payday, you know? He's like, he got
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: paid for, like, five movies. Good for him. But, like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you watch him in other stuff. and i'm like he's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: actually a good actor but like with her i like
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: it's like she needs just the perfect director to steer
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: her away from the stuff she always does like i
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: feel like even whatever that weird underwater movie was it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: was like it's she's pretty good in that, but I
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: still feel like she leans on the things that she
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: always does. And it's kind of distracting. The personal shopper
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: is like my only go-to of like, that's a good
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: movie in spite of her, like regardless of whether you
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: like her or not, if you haven't seen that, like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: it's so not what you expect. It's almost weird art
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: house type of stuff, but like, it's such a well-made
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: movie that like, regardless of who's in the lead role,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it's impressive. And that's about the only go-to I have
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: for her. Like everything else I've seen in her, I'm like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: she just distracts me.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: I get you. I get you. What's funny is I
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: don't really know. You know, it must strike a nerve
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: with you. What maybe I'm not impressed with her about
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: is just I don't really know any defining thing of
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Kristen Stewart, you know?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. I think she doesn't...
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, even in Twilight, I'm watching what little I watched.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I definitely watched the first one. I can't remember if
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I got through any of the others. But even then,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, what? Why? Why are these two dudes
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: fighting over you? You're the most boring woman in the world.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: This kid.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: brings nothing to the table. She's like, eh, she's attractive ish.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, other than that, like she just seems
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like a dorky girl. Why are we, why are we
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: all watching her? Why are these two dudes fighting over?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And then when I watched her in other movies, I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: was like, she just seems like kind of barely showing
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: up to make the movie. Like even, even like American
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: ultra where she's got to be the action star of
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the team. Like, eh, like she seems kind of, half
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: phoning it in some of the time. I don't know. Like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to just bad mouth her, but like,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just never really get like, she's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: putting in an effort on most of the things she's doing.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Even when it physically seems like it's a movie that
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: requires that of her. Sometimes, I'm just, I don't know.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Something about her style.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: Interesting.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I get it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: I get it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Now, I hear that Love Lies Bleeding movie is really good, actually.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: So, maybe I'll check that out.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Haven't seen it. Yeah, I feel like it's one of those.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of hers I still haven't gotten to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: because I know I'm crazy. it's it's an uphill.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Battle i'm like not a ultra fan yeah i got
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: it oh new kristen stewart movies joy right right um
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: yeah yeah well we're done so uh yeah but i
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: find carpenter of just being he's like i mean he's
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: just like a pro and he's like there and yeah
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: he's nick fitting and uh he's uh But I feel
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: like he just seems like he's always been kind of
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: over it. You know, I mean, you see that interview during... Yeah, I.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Mean, this is early. This is before The Thing came out.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: He's promoting The Thing and he's still like, ugh, movies.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: yeah can you believe people have to make these.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Things yeah yeah exactly it's kind of like as a
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: job as a living you know it's like he he
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: always just had a very unpretentious view of it all
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: and uh and you know but yeah the thing you
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: know broke his heart i mean the thing is kind
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: of like the the hearts the the apocalypse now of
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: uh john carpenter's career you know.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Pretty much i mean and and Is a masterpiece. Like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: so it's, it's only ironic that like the thing that
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: probably should have got him all that notoriety, like at
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the time, nobody cared about. And then only in retrospect,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch of nerds talk about it. Like it's a masterpiece,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: but like he never got the recognition for that, that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: he should have. I guess Halloween's the closest he got
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to actual recognition in the moment.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: But it still burns him. If you listen to his
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: interviews now, whenever the thing is brought up, it's just like.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Made the best movie I knew. Stupid E.T. Best movie
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I knew how to make. And you guys, all you
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: horror fans out there didn't show up. And then you
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: gave me shit about it. So fuck you guys. And,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: you know, I mean, I don't know how to make
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: a better movie than the thing. And then you guys
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: didn't care about it. And then it kind of like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: you know, sidelined my career. And so, yeah, you know, whatever, guys,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm glad you like it now. It doesn't
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: do me any good now.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: OK, enjoy the ward.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's like this is what you guys deserve.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: I gave you my best and you didn't show up. So. So,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: fuck you guys. Here you go. You know. Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: That does sound like him. But meanwhile, next to him
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: on the couch, like at that point, like Cronenberg still
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: seems really interested in it. Like, again, he doesn't show
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: any excitement because he might be a robot. But it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like he seems like such an artist in his approach
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: towards film. Like he genuinely is like interested in. what
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: he's trying to do and what he's trying to say
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: with his movies. And like, you can see that in
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the films and you can see that in the, the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: way that he talks about him in this interview. And like,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: he just genuinely seems engaged in film from like an
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: artistic perspective. And that's a totally different take than the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: other side of the couch.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: Cause Carpenter, I think is just trying to make scary movies,
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: you know?
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And he, and he, he likes that concept and he's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: fine with that concept, but, That's totally different than what
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Cronenberg's do.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Exactly. Cronenberg is looking into Freudian philosophy and all this stuff.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: And I don't know.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: If you watch that commentary on the DVD, he seemed
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: to be obsessed with this guy who was intellectual in
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Canada who made the term, the media is the message.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: And I still don't.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Know what the hell that means.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Marshall McCruin. I don't know what that means. I thought
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I was getting.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I had to double check. It's Marshall McCruin was his name.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Right. So he was... So his big inspiration for Videodrome
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: was this guy, Marshall, and this phrase. And he started
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: thinking about it and technology. And what's cool about Cronenberg,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: he really does think in sci-fi terms in a science
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: fiction term. And like really thinking about people's relationship to
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: technology and evolution and what are we becoming and how
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: technology changes us. And like with pharmaceuticals and scanners and
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: human potential. And then in this with like how media
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: affects us. And, you know, it's like even like shivers
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: that come from within.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: Just like how.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: How, like, I don't know. It seems like that apartment
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: complex and just, like, modern life and how that has
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: changed us or how that changes people.
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just real weird.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: There's so much here. Since we're already rolling into it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I guess we should technically throw out the intro to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, right.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I think we've spilled over into the movie itself now.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Why did you watch it, Max? Business reasons.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: What about the other reasons?
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: He's a victim.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: I woke up with a headache. He has been exposed
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: to Videodrome.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: I've been hallucinating for a while, ever since.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: What?
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Since I first saw Videodrome.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: His brain is all.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I think that massive doses of Videodrome signal will ultimately
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: produce and control hallucination to the point that it will
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: change human reality.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Electro-slave!
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: That's what I pray!
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Soon, his visions will coalesce and become... Now.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Come take it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And Max Ren can do nothing to stop it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: What makes you think I need help?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: None of our test subjects has returned to.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: normality.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Television can change your mind. Videodrome will change your body.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Long live the new flesh. It will shatter your reality.
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: Videodrome.
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: Videodrome.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Starring Deborah Harry and James Woods.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: A shocking new vision from the creator of Scanners.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Coming soon to a theater near you from Universal Pictures.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Death is the motion, can't you feel the thrill?
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Looking for the action, as we move through space.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Total satisfaction, in this virtual maze.
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: Living in the future glory. It was Tyler, but you're
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: like a knife. Did you know?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: This silver theater feature is Videodrome. The year is 1983.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: The director is the previously mentioned David Cronenberg. And the plot,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: according to IMDb... A programmer at a Toronto TV station
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that specializes in adult entertainment searches for the producers of
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a dangerous and bizarre broadcast. Kind of. I mean, as
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: much as you can encapsulate what's going on in this movie,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I guess so. Spoiler alert, we're going to ruin the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: hell out of this. So, yeah, hopefully you've seen it before.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: If not, go watch it. And I will say that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: how we got to this point is it's one of
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: those I kind of thought I had or I knew
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I knew I sort of lumped both this and scanners
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and the same thing of like, yeah, I watched those
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: years ago. And then I found this copy of Videodrome
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Ooh, this looks super deluxe and cool.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I probably should go ahead and get this. And I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: got it and was like, I don't know if I'd
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: sat down and watch this in its entirety. And I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: was just amazed by it. I was just loving it
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: for all the weirdest reasons. And yeah, I was so
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: immersed in this movie that I was like, okay, I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you about it first and foremost.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: And then we probably should also just make an episode
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: out of it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: So, Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: That's how I got to this point.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: Videodrome is so loaded.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if we can even get through
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: it all because it's like, uh, and if you, especially
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: if you go segue from Videodrome to Cronenberg's movies in general,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: and then just, uh, Like what, what, you know, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: like all the different things that touches and what his
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: career became and what, who he is as a guy
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: and what his kids are now doing. I mean, it's
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: just so much, Brian is too much to talk about.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: That's what I realized. Like this morning I was putting together,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: like I had, I had notes from when I first
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: was going to talk about it. I was writing that
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: stuff down. I was making more notes. I'm watching the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: thing again. I'm like, I'm getting all this stuff ready.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And it's like, right before we're getting ready to record.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I do not think we're going
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to do this movie justice. So fair warning to anyone
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: who has decided to listen. I'm not giving this as
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: an overall view. That's really gonna put a pin in
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it and encapsulate what's going on and really pin down
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: what this guy's going for. I'm like, I think our
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: best bet again, knowing the two of us is just
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to have a conversation about it. So we'll go ahead
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and throw out that. Yes, it's about Videodrome and, But
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's elevated thought. I don't think it's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: going to give you any insight into anything, really. It's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: just going to be two jabbering monkeys.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Talking about David Cronenberg.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: That's it. That's it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: In our usual monkey style. That's what we do.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: It's basically the monolith, and I'm a monkey coming up,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: and I'm just trying to observe it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And you're going to crack me over the head with
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a femur.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. This is not... going to be the definitive
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: discussion of videodrome because it's just too big and you
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: need you need a smarter guy than me talking about
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: this movie and.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: That that from the get-go like as soon as i
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: was like we were getting ready to record i was
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: like i want to get us out of this it
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was like from the beginning i want to put a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: fair warning at the beginning this is not really yeah
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be smart it's gonna be us talking and that's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: what we do it's like as long as you're cool
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: with just hearing jabbering monkeys you're fine exactly there's.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Gonna be a cronenberg like expert listening to this and
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: he's going like you guys barely scratched the surface.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Barely got his name right you.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Barely understand anything you're not you're not qualified to watch
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: or talk about this movie but i'm just saying it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: it's uh it all right i'm just gonna say Let's start.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to put myself back in the headset.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: If I was 22 in 1983, and did you see.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Your head would explode like scanners when you watch this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Did you see the weird trailer for this movie on
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: the disc?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if, again, I was watching the other stuff,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if I watched the trailers yet.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: The trailer, number one, is the most 1983 MTV thing
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: you'll ever see in your life, okay? Awesome. It's in
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: the top trailers of my life, okay? Because it's kind
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: of a teaser trailer. It's all, like, really cheap animation
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: and just flashes of, like, publicity stills from the movie
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: and it's got like this new wave kind of song
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: going on and it's like, uh, and it's got this
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: guy like, uh, uh, it's a great film, uh, is
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: a great trailer announcer guy going like, uh, you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: just reading weird abstract, like Videodrome will control your body, you.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: Know, and stuff like that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: And it's just like, I don't, you would watch that
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: trailer and not know what the hell that was you
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: just saw.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you can watch the movie and get
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to the end. And I feel like a lot of
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: people will not know what they just watched.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That trailer, had I seen that at 22, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: remember seeing some stuff when I worked at a movie
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: theater and just go like, this movie's going to change
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: my life. And I seen that trailer at the right time.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: I would have thought that. And then I'm thinking... So
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: the movie didn't make any money.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: It bombed.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, outside of one movie, most of his haven't
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: made real like Hollywood money. Like he had one peak
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: hit as far as money.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And everything else is just him doing his weird Cronenberg stuff.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: The fact.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: So I guess you're thinking the fly.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's his only real like mainstream breakthrough. Eventually he
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: got taken seriously by the industry and made way more
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: reserved movies. professional movies, but they still didn't make money.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Like they still weren't like a hit. The fly is
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: pretty much the only thing he ever had as a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: financial hit type of Hollywood movie. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: I will, I will say, or I will give you
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: up to, to scanners, which is probably my favorite Cronenberg movie.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Honestly.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, uh, but, uh, uh, scanners was like the
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: first Canadian number one movie at the block box office
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: in America, like ever. Yeah. I don't think it made,
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: it wasn't like a huge hit, but it made, I mean,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: those movies were made so cheaply, you know?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I found Scanners to be underwhelming. And I don't mean
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that as a slam. I liked it. But I think
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it's one of those, I think I've described it. It's
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: another one of those I thought I was familiar with it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I certainly knew about the money shot. And then like,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it's like the first thing you see.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: So then as you're watching it, it's like, Well, it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: all downhill. Like you've blown your wads.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And like the rest of it is just kind of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: like a standard sort of action movie, sort of wrong
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: man type of, you know, mystery figuring things out kind
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 37:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And it's good, but it just doesn't compare to what
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you were hit over the head with when you sat down.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And so the whole rest of it's like, well, they're
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: going to. Are they going to come back to something
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like that? And it's like, no, they can't really do
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: anything more than that. Like you just saw your head
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: should have exploded too. That's it. You can't do anything
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: more crazy than that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: So I feel like the whole rest of the movie
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: just doesn't quite reach that peak ever again.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: I hear you.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And it's fine. I like it. But again, I was
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: way more impressed and sort of overwhelmed by the goings
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: on of, of video.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: No, no, no. Definitely. Definitely. I hear what you're saying there.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying. I mean, they're two totally
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: different movies. I would say the thing he learned from
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Scanners was hire a real actor to be your lead.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Because Stephen Lack appropriately... Yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: That guy didn't help either.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: He did not help Scanners.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: He was so not engaging, really. Like, where is Michael
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Ironside when you need him?
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: Please bring that up.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Stephen Lack in that movie doesn't really... He was
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: just out of his depth, you know? And I just
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: recently read the novelization of Scanners, so.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're cool.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: I am, I am, yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: You're super cool.
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: Super cool.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: And I was going like, oh yeah, I could see
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: like what maybe the character was supposed to be, you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: that he just didn't know how to bring to it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Or it kind of gave me some, oh yeah, if
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: you read the book, you kind of see what maybe
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: he was trying to do, but it just didn't quite
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: have the chops. But anyway, but then you get James
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Woods in his next movie. What I'm trying to say is,
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Oh my God. So much to talk about. Yeah. I
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: am trying to imagine myself in 22 in 1983 and like,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: taking a date to go see Videodrome.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck with that. Unless it's Debbie Harry, you're
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: in trouble.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: You're in trouble, dude. I just don't know. Now, if
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: they enjoy it, that is the person you marry because
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: there is just going to be no.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Or be afraid. You might not make it through the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: end of this date.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: You just... I don't know. I just don't know. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: think that is like a very... I just think that
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: is probably the first... That is the date that starts
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: like a whole new relationship that you'll be in or
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: you'll know that person the rest of your life or
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: that is the last time you see that person.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've had. that experience. I did someone that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I was involved with. I did the second for real
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: date we were ever on the first one we met
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: at a movie. So it was like, that's the first
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: time I'd even come in contact with them. The next
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: time we ever went to go do a thing together, uh,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: We went to a John Waters movie. Oh, right. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like that says a lot about a person.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Number one, they liked it. Number two, we were
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: together after that. So I was like, yeah, I kind
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: of get it. It bonds you in a way that
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you're not prepared for if you were a normal human.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: So if you're a weirdo, you bond over that and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you're bonded for life, more or less.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: That's pretty much it. That's pretty much it, man.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: It's like if you're a weirdo and you go see
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: a weird movie with another weirdo, it's a great thing,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: all right? If you are a weirdo and you take
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: a non-weirdo to a weird movie, it is the most
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: uncomfortable 90 minutes of your life.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: You'll never see them again. They hate you for ever
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: making them watch that, and they don't want to be
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: near you because you're creepy.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And they're not wrong. I mean, they're not wrong.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, a movie can really just ruin it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It's actually not a good place to take a date.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Certainly not someone you don't know. It's different if you
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: have been together with this person. You kind of know
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: their taste. You've decided together you want to go see it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: That's a fine thing. But just sort of blindly picking
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a movie to go see as an activity for a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: date is a terrible idea.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because you're basically going into like a virtual reality
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: kind of dream state with them. And if they're not
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: digging it, I mean, it's just like, it's like a.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: It's like the brain waves are just like.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: You can feel it. You're sitting next to them and
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you can feel how much they don't like what's going
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: on on screen.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: It's the worst. It's the worst. And I've seen movies
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: that I love and then I'll see it with somebody
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: who isn't on the vibe and I go like, wow,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: this is like physically painful to them.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: It's bringing me down. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: I'm going like, huh, this is really weird, man. Movies
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: are like this weird catalyst that just like.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: It.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Bonds you if it works, but if it doesn't, it
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: just drives a wedge between you.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: For real, for real. And yeah, yeah. So I'm like,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: it's amazing. So I was just going like, how many
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: last dates was Videodrome?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably a lot.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Probably a lot.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Well, for the minimal amount of people that saw it
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: at the time, a good portion of them never saw
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: each other again.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: So you go like, you know, had those people stayed together,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: had kids, I mean, had Videodrome been a different kind
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: of movie, there would be a whole different group of
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: people out here in the world.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: The world would be a different place had they not
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: gone to Videodrome.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: They would have, they would have like, like, gotten with
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: that person and had kids, but they didn't, so they
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: found somebody else and had a completely different group of people. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: This is the world we're now forced to live in,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a post-video dream world.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, you know, they talk about
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: COVID babies and, like, whatever, blackout babies and that kind
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: of thing, you know, it's just like, yeah, there's, there's,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: what was weird was we're also living in the world where,
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: People went to go see Video Droop with somebody and
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: they dug it and they.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: Had little weirdos.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate that, but I think most of
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: society would be afraid of those people.
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: I think that explains the spike in autism.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Actually, kind of makes sense. Now that I'm doing the
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: math here, yeah, that might make sense. Somehow we're pinning
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that on Cronenberg too. Way to go.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: I think I believe in the Videodrome factor much more than, like,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: the vaccination factor. Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, the flesh gun's the one that did it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Not the needle.
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: Oh, my God. Yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Now, did you know, like, before you saw the Rick
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Baker interview on the features, that that was supposed to
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: be a tumor gun shooting tumors into that guy, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: then the tumors breaking out.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: Of his body?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: See, I don't think, again, to put, to go from
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: your trying to experience it as this 22 year old
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to me, like thinking I knew about it, kind of
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: knowing a few of the things, but not really. And
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: then just being immersed in it this time. It's amazing
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: because I was like, I think what won me over
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: so quickly was is that it's such a vibe. Like
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: it's not even because the story itself for you, the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: viewer doesn't necessarily make sense. But at the time, like
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: if you're listening to him talk about it, he didn't
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: even have the entirety of the story as he began shooting.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Like by the end of it, it was still getting
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: pieced together. So it's not like you're coming in with
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: this overarching, amazing story that's going to, you know, as
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a screenplay, when you over. So what you get is
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: just this thing that he created at this time and place.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And again, talk about lightning in a bottle, this weird
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: version of the world that he captured with a camera.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Is what won me over. I just, I'm just fascinated
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: by this. Again, it technically is the 80s, but it
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: feels like such a late 70s scuzzy world that he's
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: living in.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: And then like all of the locations, all of the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: visuals are just so visceral. And that's before you get
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to the gross body horror. Like just the walls in
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: these grimy places.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: They're so skeezy. You just want to go shower.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: It's like cheap sweaty leather pleather couches and shit. It's
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: just so nasty.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Just like stained paint on the walls peeling behind them
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and shelves full of crap falling on the floor. Everything
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: is just grimy and cluttered and a mess and gross
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and dated and old-timey and i'm like i love this
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: like it is so weird and i can't get enough
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: of it it's.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Like science fiction as told behind the beaded curtain you know.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: It's just well it's like it's the future world but
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: it's like you know back in the 30s through the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: 50s when they were like in 1980 when we have
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: flying cars you know they would always make those weird
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: predictions but this is like this weird bastardized Canadian vision
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of like Here's what science fiction future is going to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: be like. Like a sweaty 70s room. It's just going
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to be a grimy, gross place that you go and
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: watch porn.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: Right, right.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: You insert videotapes into your chest cap.
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: What?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Listen. Well, again, that's before we even get to that.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just the first half hour, I'm already like.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: This is so weird and gross and I love it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Which says a lot about me.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Well, it's one of those movies. I've heard like this
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: described by some movies where you go like, uh, where
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: you're a kid watching it and you go like, oh,
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: this is probably, I'll probably understand this more when I'm
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: an adult. All right. Cause, uh, or like, this is
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: like what adult adults are like, you know? Um, Like,
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: when I saw Videodrome first, I was probably, like, 13
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: or something, and they showed.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: No. No wonder.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: They showed it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Now it's all making sense.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: So they showed it on, you know, here in Atlanta,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: we had 2, 5, and 11, which were the networks,
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: and then we had 36 and 46, all right? And
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: then we had 17... which was the Turner channel. And
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: then we had 69, 69.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: But it's 69. That was like the lowest rent of
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: the UHFs.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: That was like Weird Al was running that one.
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Oh man.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: I'll take that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: And so no, so this was like probably shown on
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: like channel 46 and cause channel 46 would like have
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: like these, these theme months, you know, like they would
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: have like uh, hot cars week on 46 where every
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: night at.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Eight o'clock Corvette summer.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Corvette summer, Mad Max and like dirty Larry, crazy Mary
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: or something like that, you know, every night. I mean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: it was great, but when you didn't have video stores,
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, uh, uh, a movie every night on the
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: UHF channels was freaking great, you know? And, uh, yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, they would also do boring crap
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: like Elvis week, you know, or something, you know.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, those are amazing in their own weird way.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: It would fill up time. So I saw a cut
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: version of this on.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to picture is like, how do
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you make this palatable for television audience? Well, uh, I mean,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: it can't make sense anyway, but on top of that,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: when you start taking pieces out of it, I'm like,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: what the hell are you left with?
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: There's so much not cut in the TV cut of
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: the movie.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Well, again, because the weird stuff isn't the kind of
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: weird stuff you're normally forced to cut. So it's like, well,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: we can show this, but, Why would we?
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: I can't. It may have been the only time they
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: ever showed it. I taped it and everything because I
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: was like, ooh, David Cronenberg, Scanners. But it was like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: but yeah, no. Videodrome at 13. Where you don't know
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: what S & M is and you don't know what this,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: you know, you're not like a 13-year-old nowadays who has
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: like 10,000 hours of pornography piped into their head. You know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: you just don't.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, if only to be that teenager.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: They'll be fine.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Little did we know what we were not seeing.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: That's right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was like,
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: I was going like, ah, dude, so this is like what,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: this is what like getting it on is.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: An electrified clay wall. That's what the adults are into.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Beatings next to a clay wall. That's what they like.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: When a man loves a woman very, very much.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: He burns them with a cigarette.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: He burns them with a cigarette and then whips them
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: against an electrified clay wall.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Hot. You're getting me going now.
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: And then babies. That's how babies are made.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: That's how they spit out of your stomach in the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: shape of a video tape.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: That's how babies are made.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I learned the birds and the bees from David Cronenberg.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, the way, like, pornography is, like, so, like,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: everywhere now, you know, that really changes the scene of him, like,
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: sticking his face into the TV and everything. What seemed
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: like to be all the interviews and all the smart
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: people talking about this movie is just how it predicts, like,
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: interactive culture with.
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: The internet, you know?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it does do a lot of things
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: before it's a thing.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: That became just normal parts of our lives, but wasn't
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: even dreamed up by anything. Even most science fiction didn't
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: quite pin it down the way that things are going
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: on in this movie to some extent.
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: I think the concept of just him being able to
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: talk to the TV and it talking back, and that
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: just by itself was... like, like such science fiction, you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: but interacting with a television show or interacting, interacting, having
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: a one-on-one, uh, relationship with media was like, was so like,
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: you know, 20 years away that, uh, it, it, it
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: just seems like a weird dream.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: It is, uh, Well, it's also weird, like, the, again,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the general griminess of that beginning that I like so much,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: and that this part is based in reality, the fact
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that this weird, again, talking about your cheap little station there,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: this cheap little station in Toronto is based on a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: real station in Canada, and they were playing softcore porn
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: on TV, on TV. I guess it had a loophole
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't broadcast television, so it had different rules
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: as a newfound version of what would become cable television
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: for most people. But they also could skate by on
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: different rules because it was cable and because it was
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Canada that they were playing softcore porn on what would
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: have been regular TV for most people. So that part
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: seemed really weird to me too when I realized that's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: not just a weird thing in this movie. That was
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: going on in Canada in 1983. Yeah, maybe that's... That
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: was crazy. Like the more I got into that part
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: of the world, I was like, this is an odd
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: version of this, like normalizing porn in a way that
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: like people weren't doing. Certainly not in America. We're still
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to this day. We're still so weird about, you know,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: nudity in general and adult themes. Parents get super creeped
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: out by that stuff. And I'm like, To some extent,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I get it. But at the same time, like when
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: you take all of the weight out of it, you know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: you look at is Canada the most laid back place
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: on earth? And like they're playing this stuff on regular
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: TV and like kids aren't losing their minds or. Right.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: all of the horrible things going on in this country
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: aren't going on there and they're letting their kids watch
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: porn so maybe they know it's something that we don't know.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah they probably didn't let them but i mean can
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: you imagine being a 13.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I mean i think about the stuff i watched once
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: we got pay cable which we had the most basic
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: version of cable out there but like i got to
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the point where we could watch the movie channel and
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: it was pretty exciting because you know boobs and stuff
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: And like, I think about the stuff I was watching
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: that I shouldn't have been watching at that point, let
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: alone if you were just free reign to go flip
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the channels and who knows what's going to be on
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: your Canadian TV.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. And we were talking like
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: those movies seem real. I mean, that was just like,
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, probably just the way I was raised, just like,
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: you know, very, it was all very repressed and pushed
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: down and, you know, just a kind of a puritanical
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: view of it all. You know, it was like, we
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: were saying like when we did slave girls beyond infinity,
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: I was going like, this movie is like, so innocent
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: about its whole sexuality comparatively it's whole is nothing it's
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: like you can watch this with your grandma it's just
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: like uh it's like i mean i mean it's just
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: like nothing you know and but it was like seen
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: as like such a taboo like oh you're you're going
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: to hell basically. If you watch these movies.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Cause you watch this dirty movie.
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: And then you're like robots bringing this girl a towel.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: This is gonna break my brain.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: And I'm going like, yeah. And I'm going like, well,
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: you know, video drone, you go like, you watch that
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: and you go like, Oh, this is like, I don't
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: even know what the, I don't know.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like I should go hose off, but I
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: don't even know why exactly. I just feel dirty.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, watching this, we're trying to rewatch this nowadays
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: when I've got like, you know, basically teenagers in the
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: house and everything.
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: It's just like, don't come in.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Dad's busy now. Don't come in.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: Like what the hell is dad watching?
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Cause if they see what you're watching, you're going to
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: have to explain it to them. And good luck with that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Because I can't explain it after watching it repeatedly now.
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: I know. So the whole thing just coming from... And
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: I thought I had a handle on it. The media
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: is the message. That is what somebody who is smarter
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: than me is going to have to explain. Because I
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: really still don't understand what he's talking about. What the
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: philosophy of that is. Other than... Like, media just changed.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's the medium.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the medium.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Which, again, is just delivering your message through a different way.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Which, again, we got. Like, at that point, it was TV.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: But shortly after that, when the internet came about, like,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: think about how much life as a whole on this
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: planet changed once the internet connected you to everything else
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Both good and bad. Like, you now have... Access to
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: every smart thing you ever want to see, but also
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the depths of humanity are waiting for you. Go to town, children.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you can go and do a virtual
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: tour of the Louvre, or you can go on 4chan
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: and see, you know....
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: You can watch some snuff films if you find the
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: right avenue so like yeah it is i mean it
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: is one of those that like i i don't know
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that that's exactly what he was talking about either of
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: them the the original guy or or cronenberg but like
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: it's where it led to like it really is like
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you didn't know what what was waiting out there for
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: you until this new medium came about and was just
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: like oh The message is whatever the fuck you want
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: to find because it's all out there. So now that like...
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's more of like the shackles are taken
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: off of you. Like before you were into your little
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: school and your dumb teacher taught you these things and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: like you were exposed to a little bit of this
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: at home and that was pretty much it. Like your
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: whole life was pretty shackled to this one straight and
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: narrow way of doing things.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: And once you're opened up to like they start making
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: crazy movies in the 70s and then you're TV, they
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: start showing whatever the hell they want in the eighties.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: And like, by the time you get to the internet,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: like shackles are off. You can go do whatever the
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: hell you want. You can watch whatever the hell you
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: start meeting other people, even not in the real world.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: You start talking to a screen and the screen talks
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: back to you either in text form and then later
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: video form. And like, it really is like it opened
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: up a whole new world that like we didn't know existed.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Like we couldn't have, comprehended how much was going to
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: be thrown at our feet in a span of 10,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: 15 years.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: It's insane, really. And the fact that we haven't imploded
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: already is kind of amazing. Yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: No, no. The fact, I mean, it is really like
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: the technology came and I think our brains are still
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: trying to catch up with all this connectivity. You know, like, uh,
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: I know my brain is.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Well, again, I don't think people realize like what it did.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Like the first wave of us that came about when
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: it were, we're straddling a line. Like we're kids that
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: didn't have it. And then we were like, just after
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: teens you're thrown into it where you have access to
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: all this new stuff so you kind of see both
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: sides of it but then so we're still trying to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: catch up like we've never been able to catch up
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: really not to mention every kid that came after us
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: us that's just thrown in. You're in the deep end
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the second you're a kid. Every little kid I know
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: has a... my pad that they're carrying around in a big, soft,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: squishy thing that they're poking at from day one. And
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: like their entire life is now channeled into their brain
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: through this screen. Like that's insane to me. Like that
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't have. And now watching kids grow up like that,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, how much is this affecting the way that
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: they're developing what they're learning, how they're going to turn out? Like,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think we realize it yet. We're not going
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: to see, uh, the effects of it for another 10
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: or 15 years, like.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: Bringing it back to the video drum. It's very much
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: the image of him putting that videotape into them. It's
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: really like the, the technology. I really see it as
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: like nowadays as like people are more, they're kind of
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: like cyborgs. We're kind of like augmented cybernetically by things
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: that aren't in our bodies, but we carry them everywhere.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: You know, it was like, I know my brain, uh,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: does not work as hard as it used to, basically
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: because everything has been offloaded into my phone. And I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: don't have to really remember anything anymore.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Well, you definitely don't. And it almost annoys me the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: people that don't accept that. Like, the people that are
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: still dragging behind. And they'll be standing there, like, because
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: their brains don't work anymore, they're going... what's that one,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: you know, that thing. And like, by the time they've
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: said the sentence, I've already gotten my phone and looked
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, why just, just accept it. You
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: don't have to wonder what's the thing that had James
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Woods in it. And he's in a thing. Like you
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: can look it up. You already know the answer. If
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: you get your phone, just like, it's almost more frustrating
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: when they won't just, Just give in to the technology.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Shove the videotape into your chest. Just accept that you're
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: part of this thing and like you need it for
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: your information now.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. And then like his body starts changing because
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: he's got the technology in it. So it's like, it's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: that fear of like, what are we doing to our
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: bodies by accepting technology? You know, like what the tendrils
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: coming out of his fingers and everything. And I see
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: that totally as, and what, really blew me away about
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: seeing Videodrome again now with, like, the way the internet
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: is and YouTube and how it indoctrinates people into certain
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: mentalities and certain teams and, you know, become radicalized on
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: one side. I was like, if this movie has nailed
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: it on anything... It is like how, you know, like,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: we won't even say right or left, how people will watch, like,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: Al-Qaeda videos and then go and join Al-Qaeda, you know?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: They go down these YouTube rabbit holes. What also I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: thought was amazing about the movie is that and how...
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: it nails it also is that James would change his
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: sides halfway through the movie where he's on this person's side,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: but then he becomes radicalized on the other side. And
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: so it's just like, however, these people, people can be
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: programmed by the media.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody, yeah. People want to get on, on
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the media today and then complain about that all the time,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: which they do. But you did like that. I was
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: looking at these, the different things, because they even say
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: these lines on the menu when you put the disc in.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: The battle for the mind of North America will be
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: fought on the video arena. I was like, yeah, that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: is our life. Like, everything that happens today, we only
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: know about it because we're seeing... Like, now everything is recorded.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Everywhere.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: Everywhere.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: So like every time they do a news story, if
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I don't get video footage of it, I'm like, what
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: is this? Like, what are you telling me something? Show
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: me the footage. Like that plane went down. Show me
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: the footage. And I've seen six of them this week.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: And like everything that happens, that's a news story. You're
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: immersed in it. Like the country's on fire. I'm watching
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: a guy stand in his kitchen while fire surrounds him.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: And I have a firsthand POV shot of this horror
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: going on. And I'm like, that's where we are now. Like,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: we can't hear a news story. We have to experience it. Like,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: we have to be part of the media that then
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: captures it and shoves it into our brains. Like, that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: is how we experience news now. That is how it works.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And then the other one that it says is
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: your reality is already half video hallucination. So that's the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: other one. It's like, okay, well now we're talking about
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: the manipulation. Now it's like, especially in our new CG
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: world where like AI can create whatever the hell it wants.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: At this point, you don't even know what to trust.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Like you don't know they're getting to the point where
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: they're faking news and they can put it out there
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: and people will buy into it. People will argue it.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: They like it is immediately taken as a serious thing.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Even if people doubt it, it becomes a topic for conversation.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: It becomes something that. Could be real just by putting
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: it out there. No matter how fake it is. Like
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You put it out on the internet.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: It now gets just consumed by people. And that's what's important.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: That it's done its job. Whether it is factual or not.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: People have already taken it in. And it's part of
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: their lives. And, like, that's the scary part.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: And when it's believed and they start acting like soldiers
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: for it, you know, I mean.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Which happens. We've seen firsthand.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: Which would happen. Like, the guy going to the pizza
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: place to, like, rescue the QAnon kids, you know, from the.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: So he's basically James Woods.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Well... I mean, yeah, it gets to that point of
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: very quickly he becomes radicalized enough to start killing people.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Because that's the other one I was like, this is 83.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: And we got a guy that goes to his job
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: and shoots people. That didn't used to be a thing.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: When he made this, that was a crazy vision of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: the future. Now it's a Tuesday. Now you are lucky
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: to go a week without somebody showing up on... their job,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: their school, their wherever, and shooting people. Like, that's just
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: the thing that happens. And then we're watching, like, after
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: he does that, like, jumping way ahead, but like, After
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: he does that, I was watching it today, and I'm like,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: the point where he's out on the street, and they're
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: running his picture on the TV while he's walking around. Like,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: he is news, and he's still walking the street. I'm like,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: we just had that. We just had a guy execute
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: someone on video, and he took off and is walking
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: around the city while everyone in town is watching the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: video of him murder someone. I'm like, this just happened. Like,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: this exact scenario is our lives now.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: That is weird.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's a lot to process.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: It's a lot.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: Cause like when he first gets into video drum, you
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: find out it's like this, I mean, it's basically the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: conservative side saying, like, we need to get rid of
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: all the sex perverts out there who watch this smutty shit.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: It's like luring you in. Here's the bait of, like,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: look at this. You know you're into this. And then
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: once we get you, like, we can start weeding through
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: all these people we don't want.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: And then, like, the girl who runs the.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: I love the homeless shelter giving people.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, I was like, that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: was my, that was maybe the most sci-fi thing of it.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Like this vision of the future where it look, everything
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: else looks like your standard old building where they're bringing
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: people in and giving them soup and blankets. But instead
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: it's them giving their, their fix of television because they
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: don't care about food anymore. They don't care about clothing anymore.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: They want to connect to the TV. What would be
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the internet? Like they need their feed of the medium
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and that's what's going to get them through the day.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's maybe the most profit. That is what,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't imagine that being a real thing.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: And now it is like, it's so impressive.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: If can you imagine if, internet became like rationalized, rationed
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: like that. And you had to go to an internet.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: We would fall apart.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: But can you imagine the lines of people going in
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: and like just to get 30 minutes, like a methadone fix,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: you know, of internet, you know, of that kind of connectivity.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: The internet cafe, if it weren't a novelty, if it
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: were like government sanctioned and like you were paying like
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: 75% of your income every month to go get your
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: fix of internet. like that that's again a shade away
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like if things shift a little that's where we'll be
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: like we're already that connected and like we spend how
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: much on our internet and our wi-fi and our devices
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to hook up to it and like we already shell
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: out a good amount to make sure we are always
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: connected so all it takes is a little tweaking and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: like we're at that point uh.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: My kid uh my oldest one, we're having some phone
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: issues right now that I'm fighting you know, the big
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: evil corporations on. But there was about a, you know,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: she had to go, like, about, say, like, well, her
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: phone went dead. She couldn't get into her dorm anymore.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: She couldn't contact anybody about it. You know, it's like
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: everything is now through your phone. It's really like an extension.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: It's like basically how you interact with the world now.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: But it was like she had to go like 12
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: hours without the phone functioning.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: And and it was like, wow, I got so much done.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: We're like, we'll see. We'll see.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I went the other way. I just had this like mine.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I've had, again, I'm not the person who buys a
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: phone every year because it's the new cool thing. Like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, whatever this works. It's mostly a camera for
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: me anyway. I'm just taking shots of inanimate objects. I'm
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: a weirdo. What do you want? So it's not like
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I'm making phone calls all day. So, like, as long
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: as the camera works and I can use it for
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: maps to get around, I'm good.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: So, like, mine finally got to the point of, like,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: it started doing this... It was almost like snow, but
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: it was, like, on old TVs. But it was a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: multicolored version, so it was, like, red and blue. But
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: it was, like, this weird set pattern of snow that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: would come up and just lock up the phone. And
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, this isn't good.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: So.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: At first I couldn't tell if it was dead altogether.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: So I had that day and a half of dealing
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: with it. And like, you don't realize how, I mean,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: we do, but like until you don't have it anymore,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: how many times I reached for it and went, ah, damn.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Or I'm driving and I'm like, I can just go over.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I just got to figure out how, ah, son of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: a bitch. I don't know how to get anywhere anymore.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Like my phone tells me everywhere to go.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Think i don't need to know how to go anywhere
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: that's what my phone's for so like the basic versions
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: of being able to like oh i need to look
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: this up oh i need to take a picture of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: this i need to get somewhere like everything is on
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: our phone so like as soon as you lose that
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: you realize you're helpless like our society is but all
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: you do is take away our internet and our society falls.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: Apart it's like you realize i am just a ape
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: i am a monkey i am just a hairless monkey
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: running around and really it's my connection to infinite information
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: that makes me smart by myself I'm just a monkey
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: that's what.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: I'm saying I mean we found the monolith that's our
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: cell phone right the cell phone tower is the monolith
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 8: we sit by it and go oh praise be you
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: give us our information yeah Yeah.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's what.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Worship at the tower.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: We're like... I mean, it really is like... And so, like, yeah,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, our... This book I'm reading about just, like,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: the AI that's coming down the pike is just basically like, look, man,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: it's like you're... If you do not accept that, like,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: you know, this.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: Our connection to the net is going to be like...
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: Our brains are going to be hooked up to the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: infinite world knowledge and our brain's processing power is going
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: to be so manifold expanded to certain ways that we
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: can't even comprehend because we just have never experienced it before.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: We just can't comprehend how... how our brains are going
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: to be expanded by locking into the net, uh, that, uh, to,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: to basically everything that it's, it's, we, if you don't,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: you're really just going to be like, you're really just
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: going to be like a monkey.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Well, again, it's back to me not being able to function.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Like you have to be connected to, I think we're
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: just going to get to that next step, which is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the Johnny Mnemonic jack in your neck. And like, you
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: just get immediately hooked into the internet. You don't need
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: a phone anymore. You're just hooked in. And like, that's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: the only way you function anymore, which again is very Cronenberg.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Like to have physical pieces of equipment stuck into your body.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: And then you're connected to the system that runs everything. That's,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: that's where we're headed anyway. I mean, I thought that for,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: for a while there, like, it, the novelty went away,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: but I think now it's just been replaced with better technology.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: But when Bluetooth became a gimmicky thing and all the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: cool people and the rich people had this electronic device
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: sticking out of their ear all day long, walking around
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: talking to themselves, I was like, what sci-fi world are
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: we lit? Like it, it is like everyone's a fucking cyborg.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Like you're walking around with this thing sticking out of
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: your ear. And I'm just like, this is weird. And like, again,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: better technology already took its place because all it takes
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: is about 15 minutes now and better technology comes along.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah. But to me, like we're already kind of
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: at that point, it's just gotten to be better technology,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: but like we're already like now we're Google glasses. So
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: we're like, we're blocking out the real world in front
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: of us, but we're putting the world of the internet
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: in front of our eyes. So you can, again, take
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the blindfold example there and like, Hey, do you want
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: to look at what's really going on? But I mean,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't matter because that's going to be like,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: now again, it's still silly novelty item, but like, we're
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: just a few steps away from that being a regular
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: everyday thing. So much so, again, look how ahead of
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: it is when he puts on the giant VR helmet
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: in this. It's big and clunky, but it's that same
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: idea in 1983 when we weren't doing VR or anything.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: And now, kids are hooked up to it playing video
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: games all day long. So it's like, it's ahead of
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: its time, but at the same time, it is where
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: we're headed. It is what's going to happen.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: I would say, if you could put put in some
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: contact lenses or put on glasses, and then you can re-skin...
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: your environment to make it look like Blade Runner or
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: make it look like whatever, like, you know, IP that,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: you know, you want it to look like.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're pretty close to that, right? I mean, you're,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: you're kind of doing that at this point now when you're,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: you're getting to the point, you can just ask AI to, uh,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: make me a new Blade Runner movie.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: And I want it to have, uh, you know, Harvey
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: Korman is the lead.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Like you can just like throw together a random stuff
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: and like, Just set the parameters and go. And then
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: seconds later, it will deliver this into your head. You'll
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: be watching it on your Google glasses. And it's like,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: we're not far away from that. And again, I think
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: it's amazing how much was going on in this movie that, again,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: is a big clunky 80s version of it. But the
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: idea is already there and already playing out like it's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: a normal thing.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And we're seeing it happen. I mean, it's just
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: like we're seeing... I was.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: Just kind of shocked.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think... I think when I originally
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: saw it, it was like, ooh, it's weird and gross,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: you know? But it's like, you know, it's like sex,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: but it's not like what they talk about in health
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: class at all.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: It's not normal sex. I mean, sure, it's hot. I'm
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: into it. I don't know. It's not how they said
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: in gym class.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: It's not what they talked.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: About in gym class, you know?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: But, no, it's, like, crazy how much, once the internet,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: at this point that it's in now and how it influences, like, thought,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: it's incredible how precedent, how, whatever, how it foresaw that,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: you know?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: How accurate it is.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Well, and so much so, what's funny, listening to the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: commentary on this, the commentary on this is really old.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: So it's like, he's already talking about how much, like,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: it's like 90s. It's like, he keeps referencing, like, DVDs as, like,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: the new technology.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: So, like... It's like he's already talking about from the
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: 80s to the mid 90s how much things have changed.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: But like the ridiculous amount of things that have changed
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: since the mid 90s to now is insane. So listening
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: to Cronenberg talk about how much things have changed and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: sort of come around in the 90s is like amazing
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: to then put it on fast forward to where we
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: are now and be like, oh, 90s, you had no
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: idea what was in store for us. Or maybe it did.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Because you called it 1983.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was just seeing it through, like, an
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: analog vision. I mean, the way media can, like, you know,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: galvanize a public on a certain ideology, that's like, you know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: World War II, you know? I mean, you think, like,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: that's like, you know, propaganda films and all that stuff.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's, like, such a powerful way to get
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: everybody on the same page, you know?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: But it was... It used to be, like, almost... like
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: obvious and heavy handed, like again, maybe people weren't quite
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: as sophisticated, you know, at the time when you're showing
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: it to people that barely have like a high school
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: education at the time. And you're like showing these sort
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: of overarching stories that are trying to warp their brain
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: into coming around to somebody's point of view. But like,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: I think the scary thing is now they may be
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: a little more educated, but they're also better at putting
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: them together. So now you can do people in a
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: way that like, they don't even realize, like maybe before
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: they knew it was heavy handed, but they were like, yeah,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: but the message, and I want to get behind what
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: they're saying now. It's like, I don't know that people
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: realize they're being duped. They're just, it's gotten so good
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: at what we can manipulate and what we can say
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: that and how ingrained we are into the media that
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: like we just accept things that I, yeah, I think
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: like now there's, there's an even scarier version of the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: propaganda idea that like it can happen and people don't
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: even know that it's happened. Yeah.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: Well, the underground fringe, you know, is now just so
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: all over is so accessible, you know, and any crazy
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: thought you have, you can get an army behind it
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: and like, you know, flat earthers and stuff, you know,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: it's just like.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: The internet connects people that would have never had anything
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: to do with each other. Like it's a, it's different
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: when it's you trying to get six people together in
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: your same city. But like when you have a net
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: that you can cast out across the world, you find
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: a lot more people.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: It's like, You had, like, a village idiot. But they
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: were isolated.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Now the village idiot has a platform and can address
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the entire village the world over.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: Well, he can now connect to all the other village idiots.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: The network of idiots.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: A network of idiots. And they....
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: With numbers, there's strength. There's strength in numbers.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: Anyway, so yeah.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: The movie's just crazy.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 7: And James Woods is so good in it.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: And even.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: Even the DVD I got is an older thing, but
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: I guess the remastering they did on it, even on
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: standard definition, the movie looks like a million bucks.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Again, that's why it's scary. Because you feel the griminess
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: of not just the location... But when we get into
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: the gross visceralness of the... Again, what is all practical effects.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: And you feel how amazing these... Again, for me, I
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: love this. the practical effects of it.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Even Cronenberg's talking about when they do the gun hand thing,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: and he's like, well, now, in the 90s, they would
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: probably use CG to do this, but we didn't have
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: that option. I was like, yeah, and it feels so
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: much creepier, and the visceral nature of it is because
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: there's a hand in that prosthetic, and weird puppeteers are
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: jamming metal pieces into that arm, and it feels... Like,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: you feel the grossness of it.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: And that's why it's so good.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah. The first time I saw that, I
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: was like, that looks like the most painful thing I've
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: ever seen in my life.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: And I think about how much you wouldn't get into
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: it if it looked like a fake cartoon version. A bad, like,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: a bad CG version. You'd be like, ah, God, this
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: is dumb. And this may, again, not necessarily look real,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: but it looks... gross enough that it like sucks you
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: in when it's a practical effect so especially for body
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: horror like he does i'm like practical effects are just
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: it's what makes it.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: A thing absolutely no no no no it's like why
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: i've never seen the the thing prequel i'm just like
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: what's the point you know but.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: I've seen it but again that's the the hobbling of
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: it because there's good performances in there there's good effects
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: that got covered up like there's a lot of great
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: pieces and then studio involvement came along and screwed everything
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: up and that's what killed it.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: Yes. What I would like to say is, is, uh,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: that period of filmmaking where like the Rick Bakers and
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: the Stan Winston's and the Robbo teens were seen as like, uh,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: you know, rock stars is what's so as they should be.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: So interesting is there was that feeling of that time, uh, uh,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: through these practical, through these guys that there was nothing
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: you could not do in filmmaking where like, but what
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: was interesting is it was limited to, if you wanted
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: to show something really wild in a movie, you got
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: to get one of these guys, you know? And there
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: was like five guys at the top of their craft
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: that could really like, uh, uh, realistically show some crazy
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: wild out, you know, things, you know? And so now,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: you know, so it was just like pushing the limit,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: you know, uh, of what you could show in a
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: movie by these, by the skill of these guys. Now
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: you can show anything in a movie, but it's like, Hey,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: it's not like one guy, you know, it's like, uh, It's.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: A team of 500 people to do the same thing
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: for some of those bigger studio movies.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Watch those credits at the end where it fills the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: entire screen with names of people around the world, all
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: working on subsections, sub companies, sub contracted out jobs that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: all have to come together to do that idea.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Exactly. And working terrible jobs. you know, 80-hour weeks sleeping.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: In their cubes.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Terrible conditions.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: You know, to get these movies done by the deadline.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that it's better.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: No, it's not better.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: In a way, you're like, oh, it's giving all these
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: people jobs. I'm like, yeah, terrible jobs, which is what
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: we have now.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: Terrible jobs. There's no advocacy for those folks. There's a
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: really funny HBO show that just came out called, oh, oh, God.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: The franchise.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: And it's a really funny, but it's about making one
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: of these, you know, Marvel esque superhero movies, but kind
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: of like a, like a, kind of like an Ant-Man sequel,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: kind of second tier.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I, I like them more than some people,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: but even I'm like, yeah, some of these are second
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: tier or third tier.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And, uh, and the funniest, one of the funniest
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: characters is the, uh, visual effects guy. You know, they say, like,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: don't worry, we'll just fix it in post. We couldn't have,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: we need, like, we could only afford two mole men
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: in this shot, so I need you to do, like, 7,000
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: mole men.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: And he goes, like, I have not slept in four weeks.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: Ah, you can do it.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Sadly, it's all kind of true, I'm sure.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: But so soon.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: It's not even going to be a legion or a,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: what do you call it? An army of.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you won't have an army of badly paid humans.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: You'll have one that pushes go.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: And like, then all the AI kicks in and does
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: it all on its own. And it will look equally
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: as bad, but no humans got paid. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, what is going to be... I mean, I
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: think things like Netflix, it's not going to be like
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: they make you shows. I think you're going to subscribe
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: to Netflix to get an algorithm where you can just
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: speak out your stuff.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: As I said earlier.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Make me a new Blade Runner with Harvey Korman.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: It'll do it.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: I want to watch the Maltese Falcon, but I want
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Madeline Kahn in the lead. And it can do it.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: It's going to everyone will have six fingers but like
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: other than that they can do everything else they just
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: don't know how to do hands and feet to save
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: their life everything else can be made pretty accurately sometimes
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: it's disturbing some of the stuff you see that like
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: how did where did you even come up with this
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: but like it it sometimes is frighteningly well put together
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: in a way that you don't expect from AI. And
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: then other times it's a horse.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: For real.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: See all our monkey artwork. That's why I started doing
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: that because all, everyone I know, like I, again, putting
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: all the things I have together over the years, I
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: know a ton of artists and I know people that
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: that's their livelihood, you know, is like physically creating artwork.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: And so many people are really upset about, you know, the,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: the ease and accessibility of AI artwork now. And I'm like, yeah,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: but it is what it is. Like there's a, there's a,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: a wrongness about a lot of what it does. And
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: even when it does it, what seems to be well,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: there's also a soullessness to it that you can feel.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Like to me, I'm like, I,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: have started to make use of it only for the, like,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even do anything else with it now. Like
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: I only put together dumb monkey images for these episodes.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: But other than that, like I look at it and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's all I see is bad artificial
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: intelligence artwork. And like, the only thing that's interesting to
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: me is how wrong it gets things sometimes that it
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't understand. Like there's no brain telling you not to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: do that. So it does things that make no sense.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Of humanity like what are you left with like when
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: it's just putting together random parts and it doesn't really
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: know what they are it just knows something told it
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: to do this kind of like this and like it
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what it is and it doesn't know how
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: wrong the finished image is like you need a conscious
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: there to go whoa whoa whoa what are you doing
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: like that's not how that goes like when you take
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: that out like what are you left with so again
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's I do feel like it
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: is taking away jobs to some extent. I don't, I
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: don't like that part of it, but at the same time,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like there's any genuineness to most of
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: what I've seen.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: That's AI.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Now, again, it's going to get better. That's the scary part.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: That's the downward slalom. We keep coming back to you
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: with this technology. You're like all of this technology. is
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: that it's getting better to a scary algorithm.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, the artists, though, they're used to living a
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: freelance lifestyle. I mean, it's not just AI taking away
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: their job. It's going to take away everybody's job.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, that's where we're headed.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 7: So, I mean, it's not like we're just picking on artists.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, the guy who can't, teenagers aren't going to
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: be able to work at Burger King anymore to get
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: their first.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the front line. Like, the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: first thing you saw was artists are like, hey, nobody's
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: hiring me to do these jobs anymore because they're just
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: typing in and getting this, like, AI garbage and instead
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: they're doing that because it's cheap. But, again, the next
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: level is, okay, now this robot's making my fries for
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: me and I don't need your dumb teenager anymore. Like,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: so it's, it's getting better and by better, I mean worse,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: but the technology is getting better, which is the scarier part.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it's going to give it another five years.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I just don't even think, I mean, I
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: got somebody who works in the, uh, you know, I
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: got a friend who works in the, you know, the
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: film biz. I mean, he quit cause he was, he
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: was like going like, God damn, I haven't seen anybody
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: at my family and you know, I'm about to have
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: a stroke.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Um, but, uh, Don't worry, robots will revive you.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right. They can keep you alive forever.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Come put yourself on the machine.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. But no, he just says, he's just going like, man,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: I think we're watching just the death of, you know,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: the industry, basically.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Or the birth of a new one. Like, again, I
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: don't know that it's, again, it's all in how you
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: look at it. Cause I've looked at some of these
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: things and I'm like, we've seen it go through waves before. Now,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: granted this is hitting a new level, but like you
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: look at like, again, we're talking about practical effects before.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: And it's like, then that era of CG effects came
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: in and you saw a bunch of movies latch onto that.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Studios loved it. Cause it was cheaper. And again, but
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: but there became like a bad version of that that
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: no one liked anymore and then you got this resurgence
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: of like a bunch of geeks like us that were
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: like but but practical effects is where it's at man
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: and like sometimes there would be movies that would like
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: no we're going all in on practical so like there's
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: more of an appreciation for the better version of these
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: that's true that comes about and then eventually i feel
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: like a lot of the, the crappy, nothing but CG
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: stuff started to die off again. Some of it's because
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: the technology got a little better, but it also like
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: the novelty war off too. And eventually we went back
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: to like, eh, whatever you need, you can use this
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: or you can use this or, Whatever. You're right.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: I think it'll change depending on... Again, now it's like
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: everything is getting worse at an accelerated rate. So I
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: don't have a hope for the future, but I hope
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: at some point... it doesn't like the novelty of the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: AI stuff wears off and like, yes, we will make
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: use of a lot of what it's going to do. Right.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Hopefully for better reasons, hopefully in better ways, probably not
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: because humans are stupid, but that's my only hope is
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: I hope we, because we're going to be, taken over
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: by the technology one way or the other so we
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: can either be victim of it or hopefully someone finds
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: a way to use it constructively creatively like in some
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: way that doesn't just kill us all which is yeah
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: more than likely what's gonna happen there's my cheery outlook
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: on life.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: Oh my god that's crazy.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: So all of them i mean we get caught up
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: in the bigger picture here but Also, just like the
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: real world-ness of some of these things, I at least
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: wanted to address. I know you. I know the kind
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: of guy you are. So you are probably many a
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: night sitting around shirtless, wearing only your shoulder holster.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: That's the way I picture you at home most.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: Nights, really. That's what I do. That's what I do.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Shirtless, wearing your shoulder holster, hanging out in your place.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: That's right. A little paranoid.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: I just love that image of like, who is this
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: crazy man? Like, why, why is he, what is he
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: doing now? Like there is sort of a weird journey
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: of like, what the hell is this guy up to now? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: If you take out all of the bigger imagery, like
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: you get left with, look at this crazy dude.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. No, the, the first time me seeing that, uh, that, uh, I, uh,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: what should I call it? The, the chest, uh, gap,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: The chest slit.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: The bearer of the slit, as I think he referred
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: to himself.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: And Debbie Harry was like, yeah, welcome to it. This
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: is how it goes, dude. Welcome to it. Some of
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: us have dealt with this our whole life.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: Hilarious.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Yours just takes videotapes. Sometimes you shove a gun in there,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: you know. But some of us are bearers of the
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: slit all the time.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: That was such a mind-blowing... moment uh when i first
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: saw that i was going yeah i.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Mean even now it's weird but like to be in
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: 1983 and see that like how does your head not
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: explode like scanners pretty much i keep coming back to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: that because i'm like he pinpointed the response that you
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: should have to all things most of which are contained
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: within his own movies like you should watch that and
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: your head explodes.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: When the slit close up and he goes like oh
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: shit where's my gun where's.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: My gun Like he's looking in the couch like he
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: lost the remote. Where the hell did I? I swear
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: it was right here, which this is me with the
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: remote 78 times a day. I just had it in
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: my hand. How is it gone? So I guess I
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: should start checking my chest slip now because I swear
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: it disappears on a regular basis. So that's pretty much
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: what happens with the gun.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: It's hilarious.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: And then I like that later, even Cronenberg's like, well,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: and it's not like it went away. It was incubating
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: it to become the flesh gun that we know and
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: love later.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's... Oh, my gosh. It's such a crazy... I don't... It's...
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of like... My brain is getting hemorrhaging trying
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: to think of.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: It's going to explode.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's... that scene. And, uh, Brian, I, I'm, I'm
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: just kind of like overwhelmed by the movie.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: It's, uh, well, okay.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: We have again, before your head explodes, we, we also
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten into, because first off, I want to say,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: I might have to change my name because Brian oblivion
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: may have to be the way I'm addressed at all
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: times from here on out, because that's a pretty bitch
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: and ridiculous name.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: But I like that our character is named Brian Oblivion.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: But the fact that he isn't even a real person
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: that we know of. We assume that he is in
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: the beginning. And then as time goes on, he's just
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: an assemblage of videotapes. Which, again, when you're fast-forwarding to now,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: you could have digital version of videotapes. And then fast-forward to...
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: the AI version of Heldas. And like, you can easily create, it's,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: it's again, it's an avatar before we knew what that was.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: And like, now you're not only create, because I mean,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: we all kind of do that. Like we already have
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: this alternate universe that is the internet. And we, we
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: create this version of ourselves that we present to other
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: people that we put out on the internet. So like
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: the person you are sitting at home shirtless, wearing a
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: shoulder holster is totally different than the presentation on your
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Instagram feed. You know, it's like you create the person
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: you want to be for other people to see. We
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: all kind of do that. I mean, when I drag
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: myself to work, it's, it's a, I'm forced to put
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: on some sort of, I don't know. It ain't a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: happy face. But I at least present myself in a
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: way that, like, is acceptable slightly, barely, to humans. So, like,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: we all do that on a day-to-day basis. And then
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: it became, like, a hundredfold on the internet when, like,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: you could sort of hide your real identity and create
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: this fake identity, this avatar version of yourself. But, like,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: when you get to the point where you can 100% create,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: a new entity, it doesn't even have to be a
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: real person. You can create it and manipulate it and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: make it say and do whatever you want. That's a
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: weird alternate thing that, again, was fictional and isn't really.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: I can hear you.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 7: I can hear you now, yes.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: We're having some... technical issues here and everything.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Well, did you insert the antenna into your chest like
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to? You have to feed the technology into
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: your chest. Shove it in your slit. and then shove
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: it up through the window, because you've got to get
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: it out like old-timey rabbit ears, but you also have
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: to be physically connected to it.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: I was getting what you were saying, though. It was
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: cutting in and out about Brian Oblivion being just existing
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: on videotape and how people now curtail their... It's basically
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: that warehouse of videotapes where he interacts the world with
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: is kind of like an Instagram feed. And I think that's...
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: That's a very, very true statement. Something I hadn't thought.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Or just bits and pieces. He was all of these
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: videotapes put together, made this person more or less. But now, digitally,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: all of that is a real thing. You don't have
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: to insert a tape in. You can bits and pieces
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: your way through whatever you want on the internet now.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: So when you put all that in an AI program.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: You can create an entire.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: different human and soon soon we will all be max
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: headroom is what i'm telling you talk about profits looking
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: into the future max headroom was way ahead of the
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: curve uh just saying you're scary also drink pepsi don't
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: forget to drink pepsi.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: But dystopian future and drink pepsi thought sat and actually
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: thought about how creepy there is this cyber doppelganger of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: ourselves being grown and nurtured online.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: That is a different us.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: That's weird.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that as soon as like you,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: you started seeing like the very first version of social media,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: I started to realize that because like, Because everyone, again,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: everyone I knew at that time was a creative type.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: So like, they were all like, here's my best work.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Here's my best photos of me. Here's my best, like
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: you're just creating this idealized version of yourself. And like,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: that's what you put out there. So if everyone just
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: becomes that, like if you're, again, if all we do
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: is sit at home, if we don't even interact in
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: the real world, because we don't have to, because AI
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: took our jobs. So we don't have to leave the house.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Like you just sit in front of your computer all day,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: The only thing you're interacting with is what you're putting
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: out there. So if none of us are out there
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: in the real world being the horrible, gross humans we are,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: it's just avatars talking.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 7: To each other.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Like, you're just the creation that you want to be,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: more or less.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: You're basically just feeding your avatar to do all your
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: interacting for you. And you're just like this weird troll
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: thing that's, like, you know, serving the avatar.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: The Avatar is having a much better time than you are.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: Was it surrogates? Was that the one with Bruce Willis?
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see that? Like I felt like it
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: did not get the recognition. Like as a story, it's
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: a really cool idea. Like whether or not it's successful
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: in its movie-dom, who knows. But like as a concept,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: like it was surprising how well that came.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: Idea yeah well i'm just thinking about with the and
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: again where we might be headed like you know isolate
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: isolate in place or whatever you know stay in place
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: or whatever they was calling it uh shelter in place
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: you know that that didn't that didn't help things with
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: like just you know i live my life online and
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: yeah no that's real creepy.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: I think it opened up those doors. I think people
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: were already very comfortable staying home and doing everything they
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: do on the internet and like creating themselves as an
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: avatar through their social media.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: But like then when like the government came along and said,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't go anywhere. Like you, you need to
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: stay home. It's like, well, that just unleashed that in everyone.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: And they're like, Oh, well wait. So like then we
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: had like when it's time to go back to the
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: world and people didn't want to go back to work.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Like you had a lot of people that were like, well,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: I can work from home. So why don't I? So,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: cause I was one of those going, I didn't get to,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: and I was kind of annoyed. I was like, well,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: can we change things so I don't have to go
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: to work? Cause I don't want to have to go
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: out into the world and see you people. So I
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: didn't get that chance, unfortunately, but there were a lot
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: of people who did and they didn't want to go
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: back to it. And, like, I still think it changed
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: things so much that, like, the fact that people, like,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: almost everyone I know doesn't go to the grocery anymore.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: They just don't. At best, they might pick it up themselves.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: But even that, half the time, it just lands on
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: their porch. Like, you don't even have to leave the house. Like,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: you can just... sit in your house and play on
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: your computer and suddenly groceries come to your house and
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: you don't die like it's taken a basic like the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: the foraging part of your survival skills is now gone
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: like you don't even have to do that anymore you
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: just sit at home and if you have the money
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: to pay for it it shows up on your porch
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: so it's finding that dynamic of like how do i
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: sit at home still make money enough to pay for
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: the groceries that show up on my porch like it's
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: like a weird thing that shifted even more. So like
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: we're already on that road, but like.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: It just weird.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: It's even further into that mess.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: I was one of those people who got to work
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: from home. All right. And I know I'm not, no, I'm,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: I'm not, I'm not bragging because in a way at
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: first I hated it. I was like, Oh, I'm, The
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: whole point of the job is the whole only thing
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: I like about the job is the people I work with.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: And now you've taken away the people. And so now
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: it's just the job.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 7: This sucks.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to do the work.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: I say something stupid and I have to laugh at it.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: But then I got used to it. And then I
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: like now I'm like going, that's the only way to
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: do it. But let me tell you something. It's been
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: five years.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: And I have found. The last couple of times I've
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: left the house... I've... I mean, I've always had some
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: kind of social anxiety thing. But not like now. Alright? It's... I've...
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: It was like... I feel like... In Iguana... In a terrarium...
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: And when I leave my terrarium... It's.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: Like everything is so big.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: Moves so fast.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: That I, that.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 7: Things that I, you know.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Where's my rock I usually hide under? Yeah, right.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: Where's my warming rock? Yeah.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: That's where I hide and no one can see me there.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: That's it. And so it's, I think over the long
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: period of time, because there will be times where I
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: go like, you know what? I don't think I've left
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: the house in three weeks.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thankfully, I don't do that. I still go out
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Again, mostly to look at crap.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: If I wasn't busy trying to buy more crap, it
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: would probably lead me more to that life. But I
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: enjoy the looking at crap aspect of life.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 7: Going and looking at crap is important.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: It kind of is.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: It's not the same on the internet. I find a
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: lot of weird shit on the internet. Don't get me wrong.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: But it's not the same as physically seeing it in
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: front of you. It's just a different experience.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't realize how it was impacting me until
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: probably in the last two months or so where I
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: was going, the world is so big and overwhelming when
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: I'm outside. And I'm going like, that's not happened before.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: I used to be annoyed with people, but the world
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: wasn't overwhelming.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 7: So I'm going like, dude, I got to get out more.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: And I feel like, and you were at least... whether
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: or not you were an adult, but you were a
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: grown man at that point. But I think about the
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: way that it hit with kids and you will have
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: this window even more than I, but I know several
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: kids that like so much of their life was spent
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: learning quote unquote at home through the internet that like,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: when it came back to time, they like it, it
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: changed the way they dealt with school. It changed. I'm like,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: their grades has changed. Like everything was different when it
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: all got shifted and, And like that, we definitely had
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: a whole generation of kids that came about in that
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: era when you just sat at home and like little
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: kids didn't see the outside world for the first part
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: of their life. And older kids got so used to
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: being home all the time that when it came back
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: time to go to school, they were like, wait, what?
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: We still do that? Like it just changed the whole
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: process of like you being forced to go out and
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: go to school every day so much that like, Again,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: that's one of those I don't think we'll fully understand
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: for a while when it kicks in. Yeah.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: If you talk to any teachers about how the pandemic
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: screwed things up, I mean, they will go off.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's truly amazing.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: No, it's crazy, but no, no, no, that was really good. Uh, oblivions,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: you know, videotapes being like this person that exists only
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: on the media. And that being like the influencer culture.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's really true. And people value more how you,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: You know, that's what's depressing the kids is that they
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: only feel like value about how many clicks and likes
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: they get, you know, for their online persona, you know,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: and the things that they do online is more important
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: than the things they're doing in reality, you know? Oh, yeah.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Well, and that is the only way that you have
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: value now.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: There is no, like, you being a good person or
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: the things that you do in your real life every day.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: those don't really add up unless maybe if you shoot
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: video of yourself doing it and then 10 million people
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: like it, well then maybe it was worth doing. But otherwise,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: why would you do a thing unless people are going
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: to care about it? But I don't know. I've gone
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: the other way because no one cares about the stupid
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: things I do, even when I try. So I'm like, I,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Like, what am I supposed
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: to do when no one cares what you do? What
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: are you left with? You know?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: So, You know, but on the other side, I mean,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: it maybe saved your soul that, you know, you've got, like,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: a niche thing going on here because, like, people are, like,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: so obsessed with, and especially, you know, people with developing
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: brains are so obsessed with, like, getting likes. And, yeah,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: and really, their real life is just a way, as
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: we were saying with the surrogates, their real life is
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: just a way to feed their feed, you know, so
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: they can get that. that dopamine rush of getting likes
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: is really powerful for people, man.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: That's where I ended up because I don't have that.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm just like, yeah, no one cares what I do.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: So then I was left with, well, then why do
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: I do anything I do? Like if you're not getting
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: that feed off the internet, like, It's like if you're
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: left to be like an old-timey human being who just
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: has to deal with their day-to-day life, why do you
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: do anything you do? And I think it comes back
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: to that. That's the core of anything, whether you're feeding
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: it through the internet or whether you have to physically
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: deal with people all day. You have to kind of
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: take away, why am I doing anything? What is the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: point of all this bullshit? And you better come up
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: with that answer.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: If not.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: you're left with nothing.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: You're this dude at the end of the movie who's
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: ready to kill himself because that's what you're left with.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know. There's nothing left for me.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: This is the way.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: I guess that's him going like, I'm going to be.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always been a downer ending, but I mean,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: it's really him A, like, you know, you know, destroying
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: his body to become part of the... algorithm you know
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: i guess it would be kind of like uploading yourself
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: into the to the net you know becoming like lawnmower man.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: Well that's what yeah because even cronenberg says like a
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: lot of people take that as more of a religious
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: thing of like you know is there something greater out
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: there with or without me And like, he's like, yeah,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not really into that part of it. Like he
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't really see it, which I appreciate the fact that
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I don't really care about the religious
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: aspect of it. It's more of the technical end of
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: it of like, okay, you're putting yourself back into the
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: universe maybe, or the, the machine or like whatever it is,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: James Woods thinks he's doing at the end of this.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: Like he's giving himself up to something bigger, but does
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: it matter? Like that becomes the question once again, like,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: does any of this matter? I don't know. If you
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: take yourself out, does it matter? I don't know. We'll see.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Here you go. Go ahead and do it.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: Because Debbie Harry's character, she's kind of like part of
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: the Videodrome at the end. So she's, you can sort
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: of see it as like, you know, if you want
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: to be like where it was foreshadowing something, you know,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: Debbie Harry's like part of the waves, you know, part
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: of the, you know, the cyberverse or the Videodrome-verse.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: You know, it's just crappy.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: It's just crappy. I believe beta.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: beta analog version.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: Of it, but it's so he's, she's kind of talking
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: him through how to join her, you know, weird.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: Which also makes me wonder, as I watched it again today,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, is she, is this version of her
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: that he's seen even really her did any of that?
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: Like was the only time we saw her on the
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: talk show and everything after that becomes his manifestation of her, his, his,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: cause it's all kind of, as we go on in this,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: it all becomes his point of view. Yeah. So we
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: see everything through his eyes, which is why when he
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: starts doing these crazy drastic things from his perspective, it
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: makes sense. If you take yourself out to the other side,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: you're like, this is a crazy person, but like from
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: his perspective, he's doing what he thinks needs to be done.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Even when it's murdering people, you know, he feels like, Oh,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: this is what I need to do. But again, from
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: any other perspective is any of this real is anything
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: he's seen real. Once he gets sucked into that video
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: drone world. So even because it switches from oblivion to Nikki,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: by the end of it, that she takes on that role,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: she becomes his, uh, his connection to the video drone.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: So is it really her? Is it that person? Did
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: she go become part of the cult or was she
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: ever part of this? Like did, you know, did they
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: connect after the show? It was that part real, you know,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: it's like, or was all of this like, I'm infatuated
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: with this woman. And then he manifested it all into
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: his head. And then as oblivion disappears, she takes on
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: the role and, In his head of all of, you know,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: she's leading the cult now. So I don't know. Maybe
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: it is her. Like he doesn't, I don't think he
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: wants to answer those questions, but it is, it is
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: interesting to look at it from that perspective of like,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: he's just introduced to this woman that he's attracted to.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: And so does he just use that as like, he
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: needs someone to be the face of the Videodrome more
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: or less the face of what's leading him down this road.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: And why wouldn't you want it to be Debbie Harry?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, right. Why wouldn't you want to prove,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: you know, Brian oblivion ain't nothing to look at. Debbie Harry,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, it's a good idea. I think
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: I want to see her every day. So it's a
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: more seductive version of like leading you into the cult.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: Like, Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's very true.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: His brain is probably just rotten from, yeah, the Videodrome
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: signal by the end. But, I mean, that's sort of
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: the point that the Videodrome is trying to do. It's
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: trying to, I don't know, but it really is a
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: very conservative view. And I think even Cronenberg even talked
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: about him kind of playing devil's advocate for the side
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: that media is rotting your brain, you know?
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's sort of playing with that. It's
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: the kind of stuff, even at that point in his
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: career was being thrown at him that like, you're making
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: this vile, evil thing, this horror movie. And like, you know,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: you're rotting kids' brains. Well, so he's sort of playing
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: with that. He's like, well, what if this moral majority
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: was in charge of everything, which is kind of what
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: we see these days of like, what if this group
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: of people that decides what we think is right, is
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: 100% in power and can do whatever they want. And, like,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: that's where we get. Like, this is the world you're
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: left with.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: For real.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: For real.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: No, it's crazy. It's... What I really like about the
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: moves of this time and the rubber reality and all
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: the latex and all the.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's basically.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: You got the Muppets on one hand.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 5: It's like it's like it's a bunch of really cool
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: like puppet movies around this time where you got Jim
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: Henson on one end and you got Rick Baker on
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: the other. You know, you got you got tumors breaking
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: out of the guy's head. But it's like all puppetry,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: you know. And and then they got E.T. where it's
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: like basically a Muppet movie where the Muppet gets cancer
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: and dies. It's OK.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: He comes back.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: He comes back.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: Resurrection is he comes back. He comes back.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: Right, but yeah, it's just real interesting how we were
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: so obsessed with super realistic puppets back then.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, because I guess it got better. You look
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: at the only thing you had, like 70s really, was
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: your Muppet type stuff. You had Sesame Street already kind
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: of kicking in. But, like, we didn't really, like, you
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: look back at the old sci-fi movies where they're trying
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: to do that, and it usually looks pretty bad. Again,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: I appreciate those for what they are, but, like, it
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't really, it's not fooling anyone. Whereas, by the time
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: you get to, you know, Rob Bottin and the thing,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that might not really happen. Like, this
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: might just be a mutant creature that came from space,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: and we're just looking at documentary footage, because that's some gross,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: visceral stuff going on there. And like, so yeah, it's like,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: I think we just hit that new plateau in the
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: eighties of like, Oh, this stuff looks maybe not real, real,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: but real enough to suspend your disbelief. Like real enough
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: for you to get into it. That might've been a
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: disconnect before this. I think that's part of it is like,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: it looks real enough that you're like, Ooh, I'm kind
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: of sucked into this and repelled at the same time.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: Cause it's super gross. But again, for the weird kids
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: like us, we were like, but I'm more sucked into this.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: I'm more taken with it than, than repelled by it.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: Um, I would like to say also that the fact
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: that these Canadian tax shelter, uh, horror movies that Kent
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: Cronenberg was working on turned out as good as they
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: did really is just a testament to like how good
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: he is because not, not that these were not as
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: scanners was the same way. And I think all of these,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: you know, they describe it in the DVD of just
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 5: the chaos of, you know, you all, you had to
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 5: wait till the end of the year and then all
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: of a sudden the money is available, but you had
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: to spend it, you know, within.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: Like, Before the end of the year.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 7: Right, right.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: Before that tax year was up and that dentist decides
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: he doesn't need to spend money on a movie anymore
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: for his tax write-off.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: And so these movies were like total rush jobs and
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 5: shot in the cold. What's so great is all his
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: Canadian work at the time was all shot at the
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 5: end of the year. So it's all cold and overcast
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: and miserable.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 7: And it looks.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: All his movies have that feeling of like, man, you
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: just need a jacket. And it's like just got like
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: such a wet, gross feel to them all that you
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: just go like, man, it just adds so much to
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: the atmosphere of those early Cronenberg movies. But the fact
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: that the movie was falling apart at the same time
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: and he's kind of having to constantly rebuild it as
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 5: it falls apart. It's just amazing, you know, that.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's just because he didn't like, I think
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: because he'd already done that a few times, he wasn't
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: as worried about it. Like he kept talking about trying
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: to explain it to the crew. Like, well, normally in
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: a shoot at this point, you don't have to like.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: go through this entire recreation of the last half of
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: the movie, or I was going to shoot this, but
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: now I'm shooting this because we just came up with
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: this idea. So I think it's like, he seemed at
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: home with it because it's just what he had to
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: do to make a movie. And this movie was still
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: kind of coming together as they went. But like, he's
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: just like, well, yeah, that's the system. Like I can't
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: make this out of pocket. So this is my only
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: way to make this. So, again, I had a cool concept,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: but I didn't really know where it was a hundred
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: percent going. And they're just sort of cobbling it together
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: as they do. It's like a workman's version of, you know,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: creating art of like, okay, I'm immersed in the middle
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: of this and I still want to get to this
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: end point. uh, what do I do between here and there?
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. It's like an everyday thing of like,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: we'll figure that out tomorrow. But today we're shooting this scene.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 5: The fact that the movie turned out at all is amazing.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That it's this good is like impressive because it's, yeah,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: it could just be a mess. And like, to me again,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: some people might feel like it is, but I think
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: it's a masterpiece of like, this vision of the future
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: and like it to, to come together when you didn't
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: even have a good start at point, you know, you
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: had a concept basically, and then you're piecing the story
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: together as you go. Like it, it is impressive that
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: he's able to do that.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah. No, no kidding, man.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like, yeah, it's, it's pretty masterful,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 5: you know, and I'm guess the thing he did, this
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: was maybe the last thing he did before he really
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: kind of went Hollywood.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 7: I'm, I think he did the dead zone thing. adaptation,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 7: which was.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is still pretty low budget comparatively, but it's
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: still pretty Hollywood, yeah.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's a good movie, but it's like,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 5: it's not Videodrome.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: You've got, yeah, but you've got real actors, you've got,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you're based on Stephen King, like, you're pulling in, like,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: pretty big names at that point, it's a studio movie,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: not just skating by on whatever Canadian funding you can get.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 5: Exactly, exactly, yeah, yeah. And so, I mean, I think
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: looking at his IMDB right now, just to see what
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 5: he did after this.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: Well, it's weird that he went almost legit as time
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: went on. Like you, I mean, he's making like talkie
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: movies and Oscar bait kind of movies. And like, like
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: he's literally nominated for Oscars later, at least people in
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: his movies are. So it's like, it is one of
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: those things that like you, you sort of polish him
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: up as time goes on with each movie, he gets
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: a little more respectable and, And then eventually he came
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: back like you, that last, you know, again, redoing an
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: idea from his early days for that crimes of the future,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: which is very Cronenberg, like is massively old school Cronenberg.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: But like all those movies before that, not so much
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: like there's, there's a touches of him, but as a story,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: they're way more polished Hollywood movies than his old time
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: Cronenberg stuff.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 7: Definitely.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 7: They don't have that.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: Uh, they just don't have the, uh, you know, the scrappiness. Yeah.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: They were scrappy movies. Yeah.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: And the dead of winter, uh, Canadian tax shelter.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 7: They just don't got that, you know, um.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: Weird side note.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: This is thing.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: Again, I, I watched a decent amount of those like
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: earlier to middle winds. And then I, I, skipped a
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: lot of the more Oscar bait wins and I had
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: watched crimes of the future. I want to revisit existence.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: I have not seen that in forever. I do feel
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: like that was the last real Cronenberg you in until
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: you get to something like crimes of the future. But, um,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: the one I had heard about, but I hadn't seen was, um, spider.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: Have you seen?
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 5: I try dude.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like I, it was like when I
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: kept hearing people reference and I'm like, Oh, it's Cronenberg.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to watch it. And I finally, again,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: much like this one, I found a cheap copy and
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I'm going to go ahead and
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: grab this so I can watch it. And after watching this,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: I was still on that high. And I'm like, cool.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: Now I need to watch spider. And I put it in.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, what?
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: What?
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm like, I'm not going to
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: say this isn't weird. This is weird, but it's not
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: the kind of Cronenberg weird I was expecting. Yeah. It
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: is weird, but it is not what I was expecting
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: coming out of Cronenberg land.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 5: No, I got, there's sort of his movies that just,
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 5: I have no desire to see, you know, um, you know, I,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: I gotta see crimes of the future still.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: Um, but it's, it's definitely cool. Again, it's, it's a
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: little more convoluted than most people again for movies now.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: Like it's weird that he came back to this crazy, uh,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: weird cronenberg body horror kind of thing that like because
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: he'd done so many like again by the time you
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: get to like the cosmopolis and a dangerous method like
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: again dangerous method is so not the cronenberg we know
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: you know it's like it's like So it's interesting that
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: he comes back to like total Cronenberg mode for crime.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. You know, and there was
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: something there, uh, what map to the stars with Juliet
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 5: more or something.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 7: I never saw that one.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, yeah, I just, I'm seeing a few of
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: these weird ones that again, he just kind of works
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: on whatever he wants. So it's like some of them
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: may have been, cause they're even listed as video for
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: some of this. So I don't know if he's just
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: doing weird shorts and, straight to streaming or something for
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: some of these weird ideas that he's like, I don't care.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: I just want to get it out there. So he
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: never really, again, because he didn't know big time movie,
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: you know, director releases kind of stuff outside of the fly.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, he probably doesn't care. Like he seems like
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: he just wants to put stuff out there. So I
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. I kind of respect it, but it's a
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: weird format for somebody with as big a name as
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: he is that he still just kind of does like
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell he wants. Yeah.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 7: This one here, I'm seeing The Shrouds. That's going to
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 7: come out in April. So, I don't know.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: I'm on board for this. It sounds creepy.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, Cosmopolis was a weird one, but
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: it was pretty good.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 7: But, I mean, everything.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: I would say, you know, he gets these little sparks
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: of great ones. I mean, I love Dead Ringers, and
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 5: I was the weird... person in my friend group that
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 5: loved crash when it came.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: Out see i saw crash in the theater yeah and
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: like i remember like thinking it's funny just like a
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: few years later you couldn't reference crash because everybody thought
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: you were talking about that other dumb movie that won
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: an oscar but i'm like no no the sex and
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: car crashes went It said that on the poster. That
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: was as big as the title, Crash. It was a
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: quote that was like, it's a movie about sex and
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: car crashes. That's how they build it. And it was like,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: at the time, I remember just being so impressed with
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: how committed it was to this world. Like it wasn't,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like a weird, like, Oh, look at these
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: weird people. Like he was almost on their side of like, no,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: there's a reason why they're into this. And this is
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: the presentation of their lives. And like, it was very
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: unflinching and it's like attachment to these characters, even though
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: they're weirdos and we know it, but like, It's a
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: weird way to get your kicks, but hey, you know,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: whatever you're into.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 5: Whatever you're into, man. Well, I mean, it kind of
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 5: goes with the, you know, because of its connection to the.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 7: Technology, you know?
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 5: It's like bodies and their connection to technology and kind
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 5: of like how the technology has uh, both traumatized them,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: but also bonded them together, you know?
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 7: So it's, it is science fiction still, you know?
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: Not even as much technology as just the mechanical end
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: of it. Like a vehicle being like an extension of
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: your body and like the, the people that are in
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: these car crashes then have this like mechanical brace on
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: their leg that they themselves are kind of mechanical. And
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: you've got this cyborg existence almost by the time you
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: get so many pieces of yourself replaced with things because
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: you keep damaging yourself. Like, I mean, again, think about
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: how many people, even since then, how good the technology
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: has gotten to replacement of body parts and like coming
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: up with these new amazing versions of like, you know,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: you can excel and be a Olympic runner now with
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: no feet. It's like, we've, we've gotten to a point,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: like our, our extensions of these mechanical replacements are like
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: amazing now. Like, it's still not what you're looking for.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: It's not idealized, but like, it is a reality that like,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: we've gotten these mechanical extensions of humanity that are just
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: part of our daily lives now as much as a
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: Bluetooth shoved in your ear. You know, it's like, there's
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: all these different aspects of these different mechanical and technological
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: things that are just part of our lives now. Yeah.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, it really just makes me think like it's,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of like thinking about human connection now is
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 5: kind of like, like, like, like retro thinking about it.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 5: Like re like realizing before the internet, uh, I mean,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 5: people were kind of becoming superhuman by the event of, like.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 7: Through technology.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 5: But even, you know, just at a very base level,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 5: you know, civilization is kind of like a neural net
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 5: of different expertises. I mean, this is me just being
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 5: very obvious, going like, you know, huh. people working together
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 5: is kind of like the internet.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: We are the connection of all these people and we
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: bond together to create stuff like the internet connects a
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of random circuits and crap. And you know, that,
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: that works too, but, but we as people can be
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: that connection. I mean, we're not anymore, but we could
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: have been.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. But like people like, you know, you're, face
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 5: is kind of like the interface of like, you know,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 5: you are communicate is real weird. I've sound stoned or something,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 5: but it's like, you know, my face, man, my face
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 5: is moving meat around on a skeleton. And that like
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 5: expresses emotions that other people like understand.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: It's pretty deep, man. It's crazy, bro. It's also pretty
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: creepy when you stop and think about it that way.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: Just moving meat on a skeleton. You're like, oh, now
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: we're back to creepy visuals.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: Visual grossness.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I make these weird noises out of my face
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 5: and everybody goes like, oh, we totally understand what you're...
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 5: Let me make a weird noise out of my face
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 5: and move my meat around on my face.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: And then you have to have matching weird noises. If
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: you go to a different area, they have different weird
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: noises and they're not going to know what you're talking about.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: You got to find similar people of your meat.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: And then like they can't communicate in the same way.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: You're using the same program essentially. Yeah. So you can communicate.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: Whereas somebody over there uses a different program. They do
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: their thing over there. So we got to get all
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: together in this World Wide Web, we'll call it. And
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: we'll all connect and everybody will be peace and harmony
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I think of when I think of
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: the Internet.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 5: Peace and harmony all the time.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: Not the dregs of humanity and the worst parts of
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: humans coming out. That's probably a little more accurate, but hey, whatever,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 5: Well, there's just no ability to punch somebody in the
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 5: face on the internet. That's the problem.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: That's part of it. It's the hiding behind your avatar.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: It's the, yes, I can say all these horrible things
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: with my textons and with whatever I want to put
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: out there, but I don't have to physically be held
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: responsible for it.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there should just be some equivalent to being punched
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 5: in the face.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just have a big, just like a boxing
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: glove on a spring sitting next to your monitor. And
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: if you say something stupid enough, somebody else can pay
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: money to punch you in the face. They hit their
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: PayPal account and Venmo money towards something that punches you
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: in the face. So that's probably coming too, I would say.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: I would think at least then it would keep people.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: I think if it's not, yeah, it should be like
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 5: something that's implanted in you. And if you are an
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 5: asshole online, uh, people can pay money to make you
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 5: shit your pants.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: It just like, it's just like a, it's just like
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: a dog.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 5: It's like a dog.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: It's like when you're barking too much, it buzzes. And
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: if you don't cooperate, it jolts the hell out.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to, I'm not going to block you,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 5: but I will make you shit your pants.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: But I will zap the hell out of you. So
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: if you're cool with that, keep.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 5: Running your mouth. Keep running your mouth. That's right.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's where we're headed since people obviously
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: can't be held responsible for their own activities. So maybe
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: you do have the internet police that come along and
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: take care of all these problems. There's the government getting involved.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: That's what we want.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 5: This is just becoming more.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: Overseeing our thoughts and whatever we're saying.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 7: We've read all your search history. We're going to come
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 7: put a collar on you now.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: Thank goodness the moral majority is in charge and they
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: will make sure you don't put that out into the world.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: We're back to the core essence of what's going on.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, dude.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's crazy.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: The moral majority is going to take you down because
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: you're just running your mouth about stupid things that they
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: don't agree with.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 5: Got to wait for the, yeah, you just got to
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 5: wait for the pendulum to swing. And then you're going
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 5: to talk about that stuff. And then we can shock
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 5: the other side. You know, it's like, you shut up.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 7: You've had your turn.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what it, that's what it is. And that's what, again, to,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: I guess, bring it full circle. That's what they were
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: talking about in that 1983 interview is like, it's, it's
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: them talking about who's in power at the moment and
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: like what the majority stands for, what this moral majority
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: in quotes stands for, because it's, before that, like they
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: were all kind of complaining because they were showing too
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: much violence and the violence was getting them like an
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: X rating and like getting their movie shut down. Whereas,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: you know, just a few years later, the pendulum swings
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: the other way. Then the nudity and the sex in
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: their films was getting them shut down and no one
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: cared about the horrible amounts of violence. They were like,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: Oh no, violence is cool. We like violence now, but
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: God forbid you show a boob. We're shutting down your movie. Like,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: so it's like, what? The pendulum is ridiculous. Like, this
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: back and forth is crazy. Like, we need to figure
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: out something that makes sense in the middle.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, we don't really do that as humans. We're
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 5: just running off gut instinct and fear and fear of
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 5: loss of power and, like, fear that... I don't know, man.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 5: Society's gonna go flying off the rails for some reason.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 7: I don't know, man.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: It's... Pretty much, yeah.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they're just... I don't know. It's just, yeah, whatever...
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 5: Whatever you're getting in trouble for, give it five years
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 5: and you'll be seen as something else. It's not going
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 5: to be a big deal.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you get enough time, everything changes.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: That's what we've seen just looking at the amount of
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: things that have happened since this movie came out to now.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: Look how many things have changed. Come and gone and
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: disappeared and new things taking its place.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: New people with new thoughts and experiences and everything just
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: becomes a big mess.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 7: That's true.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: That's where we are. Just a big gory mess.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 7: Big gory gapping chest hole.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: Like the end when the TV explodes and goo goes everywhere,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: which did leave me to one of my, it leads
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: me to one of my favorite parts of the discussion
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: there when they're talking about the end, when they're trying
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: to like, blow up the TV for the fake when
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: he kills himself before he actually kills himself. And like
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: the TV blows up and grossness goes everywhere. Of course
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: they're shooting. They're like the last day. They're like, look,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: we're shutting this down as of today. So whatever ending
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: you're making, you're making today. And so the, the comment is,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: Where do you get innards at 3 a.m.? So like,
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: we've got to load this fake TV with gross innards
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: that look like human guts and whatnot. So where do
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: we get those in the middle of the night in Canada?
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: And that these are the kind of professionals you hire
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: to get you innards at 3 a.m. and make your movie.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 5: Guy goes knocking on the door on the slaughterhouse, right?
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: Can I get some grossness things? Can you give me
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: a couple of buckets of goo? Because we're going to
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: be slinging it all over the place. He's like, oh, Cronenberg, right? Yeah,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: I know that guy.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: My mom lives next to it. Yeah, I know that guy.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: He's in the neighborhood. We're all familiar.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, it's just so funny.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 5: I didn't know you could go up and knock on
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 5: the door of a slaughterhouse and they go, can I
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 5: get a bag of guts?
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: And they're like, sure.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 5: Give me one second.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you can. I feel like
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: if you know the right person, it's all connections, man.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: You can get whatever you want.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, slip him a Benjamin. You get a bag of guts.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 5: Ain't no problem.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: And again, that is continued.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: Just gotten bigger and more ridiculous. So now I think
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: of the things I can easily access through the internet
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: that I didn't used to be able to when I
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: physically had to go get it. Yeah. Versus now you
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: can get whatever weird shit you want. You go on
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: the internet within a couple of days, it shipped to
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: your house. So again, we're watching this same idea just
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: get tenfold of like weirdness multiplied.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 7: It reminds me.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 5: Now it reminds me of the, It was such a
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 5: similar concept to the Day of the Dead scene where
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 5: they had all the real pig guts coming out of
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 5: the guy at the end who gets ripped in half.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 5: They said the smell was just terrible. Yeah, that's how
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 5: it used to get done.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: You just know a guy that works at the slaughterhouse.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: That's all you need.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 5: It's magic. It's movie magic.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: And that this is. I feel like As much as
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: we've dug into, we've barely scratched the surface on this.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 7: For real.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty impressive feat. I know plenty of people
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: that probably would not even make it through this movie.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: So I get it if it's not your thing. But
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: if it's not your thing, I don't know how you
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: made it this far anyway.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 7: Even if it's your thing, it's really your thing.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: It's really your thing. And you've got yourself a bucket
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: of innards in the refrigerator right now. And you're going
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: to go recreate it and videotape it and put it
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: on the internet probably. Again, there's this, now we can
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: just find each other is the thing. Like in 1983,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: it was really hard to find other people that were
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: into like buckets of innards, but now we can connect,
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody can find their weird counterparts. So that's,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: if we've gotten nothing else from the internet, that's what
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: we got.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: Weirdos finding each other.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 5: It's a good thing, people.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: Speaking of weirdos finding each other, that's how this episode
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: came together. We would never have come in contact with
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: each other had the internet not been invented.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 5: It would have never happened.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 7: Never happened.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: And this episode and all of our other monkey jabbering
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: videos would never have come together.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 5: Speaking of monkeys jabbering, I am terrified to see what
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 5: the artwork is going to be.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Because everybody hated it so much, I
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: was like, So should I not use AI to make
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: this garbage anymore because people are going to be upset
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: about it? And I'm like, but it's the only thing
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: I do with it is this one stupid project. And
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: that's the whole reason for it. So I'm like, I
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: feel like I have to come up with something.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 5: I think some of them are pretty disturbing.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 7: And I think all we needed to add is like
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 7: chest gaps.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: A nice slit. We all gotta have a monkey slit.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know. You might get kicked off of Facebook
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 5: after you post the art for this episode.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: I don't even post them much anymore because nobody cares.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: So usually I just send it to you and go,
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: oh man, look at this shit. You're like, oh god,
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm horrified. And you're like, yep, mission accomplished.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they're pretty cool.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 6: So.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: It's mostly just for us at this point. Like our episodes,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: it's just for us. If anybody else wants to enjoy them,
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: more power to you. But as we've realized, the internet's
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: full of other people that don't care what you're doing.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: We're just here to have fun and have conversations about
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: weird-ass movies.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 7: I love it. I love it.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 5: It's good stuff.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 7: It's good stuff.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. Cool. Cool. Brian, this episode needed to happen.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 5: I appreciate you pulling this together and everything.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: And again, I feel like as a whole, as a
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: real movie discussion, I don't know that we've done it.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: But as an overall discussion of what comes from this movie,
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: which I think... again, for this type of movie is
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: what it does. Like, it's not so much about what
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: happens on paper. You know, it's like, it's not what
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: you're getting from the screenplay. It's like when you watch it,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: it brings about all these things in your head and
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: that's the bigger thing. that's the bigger concept and what
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: leads to all these kinds of dumb conversations. And again,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's, what's more important anyway. So that's what
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: I was hoping from this episode.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, definitely did that.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 5: I think that's what makes it a great movie is that,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I feel like there could just be an
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 5: entire ongoing podcast about Videodrome. And I also just like,
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 5: also just like, I've seen it many times and I
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 5: get something different out of it every time. And so,
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 5: because as the world changes and as you change, as
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 5: you get older, you know, it is just one of
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 5: those good movies that every time I watch it, it
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 5: seems like I'm different and so the movie's different, you know?
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, from both aspects. Number one, it's so
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: visually interesting. You could watch it and just find new
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: things along the way visually every time.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: But even more so, it would be interesting to start
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: with somebody in 1983 and then, like, just revisit it
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: every five. 10 years and see how drastically different your
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: take on it is just in that amount of time.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: And then fast forward to 30, 40 years and be like,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, like what has happened? So yeah, it's,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: it's that sort of impressive, you know, touchstone that like
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: you can keep coming back to it and find more
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: and more.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 5: It's just, uh, it's rare that a movie can do that,
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 5: you know, but, uh, the great ones do. So, uh, Yeah, man.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: This is up there. It's an impressive film.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: Again, not everyone's cup of coffee, but hey, I'll take
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: it for me.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 7: That's cool.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 5: It would be one where there's certain movies I love
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 5: that I kind of got to know a little bit
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 5: about the person before I recommend this one.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I do that with most movies just
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: because I know my taste is different than the average
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: weirdo on the street. So I'm just like, when people
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: ask me about movies, I usually don't give my real
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: opinion because unless they're my friends who I know their
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: taste and I know that they like the kind of
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: same weird stuff that I do. But if it's a
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: regular old person and I don't know him that well,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: it's just be like, yeah, maybe I shouldn't tell you
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: things to watch. Like you just go find your, whatever
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: crap you want. And like, leave my take out of
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: it so yeah yeah i get.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 5: That yeah yeah you gotta gotta be careful sometimes.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: But i knew you were uh gonna be right on
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: board oh yeah as i watched it i didn't even
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: know that you'd seen it but i was like yeah
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: we need to talk about this i'm assuming you have
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: and i'm gonna find out as soon as i'm done
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: with the credits here so yeah yeah yeah luckily you
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: were on board and.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 5: Here we are here we are here we are yeah
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 5: yeah absolutely i feel like When we did the Crow remake,
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 5: we came to a good place, you know, but it
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 5: was like pretty easy to digest, you know, and everything.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 5: Because it was just like, is this movie as bad
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 5: as everybody says it's going to be?
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 7: And it wasn't. And so we're like, okay, that's the
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 7: point of that episode. It's like, hey, maybe give it
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 7: a try.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 5: You know, Videodrome, though, I feel like you're just kind
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 5: of like a bug floating on the surface tension of
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 5: the water. And you just kind of make some ripples
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 5: of it. You're never going to get to the bottom
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 5: of it.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: This one is more of, is this movie as weird
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: as everybody says? Yeah. Yeah, it kind of is. And
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: whatever you take from it.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 5: Is up to you.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: So you go and dig into it. And if it's
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: your kind of thing, you'll know right away. And if
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: it's not. you'll know right away.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 5: So I'm trying to think, yeah. What would be the
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 5: point that, you know, this is a movie that we're not, I,
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 5: it might be the chest slit. I don't know. It
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 5: might be this, the, the video drone signal of like
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 5: the one we get a whip.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: You're going like, yeah, maybe as he starts watching that,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 5: I'm going to watch this for me.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, I was, I mean, sure that Asian porn
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: with the dildo was pretty hot, but now that we're
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: beating people on the clay wall, I don't know.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 7: I just don't even know.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 5: If you can make it past that, if you can
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 5: make it past the first 15 minutes of the movie,
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 5: you'll probably, you'll probably find.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: By the time he's like, stabbing her and piercing her
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: ear and burning her with cigarettes if you're cool with
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: all that yeah you know you might be okay with
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: where it goes after that probably not but you know
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: you could be.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 5: Could be i don't know i just don't know you
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  Speaker 5: know this crazy stuff you're in for a wild time.
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  Speaker 1: As was he that night on the floor that's.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty much man pretty much jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this has been a wild time. Thank you for
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: coming along on this journey. Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: And if anyone else out there joined us, hey, good
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  Speaker 1: for you. But if not, I enjoyed our conversation. That's
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: all that's really important.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 5: It was great. It's just what I needed.
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  Speaker 1: Connections made over the internet. That's what it's all about.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: Weird.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks, internet.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Videodrome.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: At least this one we knew where we were going.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: Now we got to figure out what our next step is.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck to wherever the hell we end up next time.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: But for now, I guess we should wrap up the old. Videodrome.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 7: Putting it back on the shelf.
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  Speaker 1: But I will revisit in the very near future, I'm sure.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: Because I've seen it like five times in the last month.
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: It was for this most of the time and watching
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  Speaker 1: commentaries and extra stuff. But it is funny how many
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: times I've put it in in the last month and
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: a half or so. So yeah, yeah, it's pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, man, pretty good stuff, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good. Awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Cool, man. Cool. Well, well, Brad, again, thanks for having
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 5: me on and everything.
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  Speaker 1: I'm.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 7: Getting a, I gotta go make some waffles now.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's what this is all about. I
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: think I'm going to make chili.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 5: Dude, chili would be awesome.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: Chili and waffles.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 5: Dude, chili. Freaking great idea. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 5: make some waffles.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: These are the important things we do with our lives.
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  Speaker 7: That's it, man. That's it.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: You watch weird movies and you make gross food and
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: you eat it and it's awesome.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fantastic.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 7: It's the best thing in the world, dude.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 5: It's the best thing in the world. Alright.
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  Speaker 1: So, hopefully you guys out there enjoy your own weird
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: movies and go make your own weird foods.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We will return at some point in the future. Otherwise,
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: that about does it. We will return next time. Same
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks for listening.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 6: Behind the shutter door, between the tracks and the floor.
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  Speaker 1: I've been locked in and.
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  Speaker 6: Alone, stuck watching video drones. Caught in a spider's web, hanging,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 6: whipping head. I've been locked in and alone, stuck watching
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 6: video drones.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you. Thank you.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 6: Behind the shutter door Feet retracting the floor I've been
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  Speaker 6: lost and alone Stop watching video drone Caught in the
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 6: spider's web Hanging, whipping out I've been lost and alone
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  Speaker 6: Stop watching video.
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  Speaker 3: Drone Television can change your mind. If you're drunk, it
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: can change your body. Television can change your mind. If
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: you're drunk, it can change your body. Television can change
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: your mind. If you're drunk, it can change your body.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 3: Television can change your mind. If you're drunk, it can
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 3: change your body.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 6: We'll be right back. We'll be right.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 10: Back.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 6: We'll be right back.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: Your name on It's all so grimy.
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  Speaker 5: It's all so grimy. I need some Purell.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: I need to hose myself off while talking about it.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 5: I need some antibacterial hand wipes. I don't want to
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 5: talk about this movie.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: And then shove them in my slit when I'm done.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 5: Pack it in.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: Pack it in.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: It's like a garbage disposal. Just keep shoving things in there.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, geez, man.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 7: That was fantastic.
• 2:32:43
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• 2:32:49
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