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2020: Demon Hunter Nomad Boys (w/ Munsi Parker-Munroe) · Academy Vs Audience

• 0:14
  SPEAKER_08: Since 1928, the Academy Motion of Picture Arts and Sciences has handed up trophies what it considers the best films of the year.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_08: And all that time, audiences have their own opinions.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_08: This is Academy vs.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_08: Audience, where we revisit all the best picture winners and the corresponding Fox Office Champions.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_08: I'm Dan Gibbons with me as always, it's Aaron Weir.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_08: How's it going, Aaron?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_04: Pretty good, Dan, other than the fact that I am afraid to turn on my camera for fear I will disappear from the Zoom as if we were doing the Rebecca episode again.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, that was years ago.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: In many ways.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_08: Years and decades, depending on what you're measuring by.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_08: And Claire Bolton, what's up, Claire?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so tired.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: I was so tired.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was the last week of summer camp with kids.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: I was at a writer's conference all weekend.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm now cleaning up and summer camp cleaning up.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_03: And then I go right into rehearsals next week.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_08: Theater life.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_08: Speaking of theater life, as we enter at long last, our final decade of the project, we just couldn't let the last decade slip without a return appearance by Muncie Parker Monroe.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_08: What's up, Munsey?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_08: Hey gang!
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_07: I just wanted to thank you, all three of you, uh, for having me on sincerely.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_07: Uh as we're catching up to the present day here now, it's likely that I won't be on this show again.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_07: And before you guys wrap it up, I wanted to get it on record how fascinating I found this entire project.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_07: My first appearance here, I was only very recently out, very recently, on what at the time was meant to be a low dosage of hormone therapy, and still mostly presenting as masculine.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_07: And you had me on to performatively hate something, because that was the version of me that you had known up to that point.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_07: And over the course of the following years, as I've come back again and again, still me, but more me and differently me than I'd been before.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_07: And as I watched myself grow out of the person who kept the world at a detached, irony-drenched arm's length into this soft, silly, sometimes achingly sincere person, I think that's reflected in my appearances here in a way that's allowed me to properly understand and appreciate what it is I want from my media consumption and how I want to interact with that media and more so with the world around me writ large.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_07: I've met me as I've become me, and appearing here every few months has given me the chance to check back in with you three, but also with myself to see how much has changed and how much I do remain me, more comfortable and natural than I'd ever thought might be possible.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_07: So thank you for the opportunity and for all of the opportunities to do that.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_07: And with that in mind, let's talk about bad boys three.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_07: Bad boys for life.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_08: The bit continued as Munsey did evolve.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was all over.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna cry, Munsey.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: You had me going, and now we're we're here.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_08: But we are in 2020.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_08: Being the highest-grossing film of the year was really not hard to do, and being the best picture was easier than it should have been for reasons we'll get to after we talk about what did win the trophy that year.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_08: So, Munzie, before we get to the bad boys movie titled by people who thought for sure we'll never talk Will Smith into doing four of these, tell us about Nomad Land.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_07: Capitalism is broken, and everything is getting harder and worse for everyone, and we have to find one another and be with one another and love and support one another if we're gonna find anything in this life that is worth clinging to.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_07: Also, in this movie, that is the case, and Frances McDormant sells most of her possessions to buy a van in which to live, and sets out to find some manner of meaning and a life she can sustain after the death of her husband and the loss of her job.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_07: And over the course of the movie and her travels, she learns both self-reliance and the importance of community.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_07: Friends come into her life and leave it, seasonal jobs come and go, but they aren't her life.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_07: There are births and deaths, and in the end, she returns to the small town she had once had as her home to find it now completely hollowed out, so much smaller than the version of who her who left it.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_07: And so it goes.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_07: And so does she, another few miles down the road in search of something that she knows she'll never find.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe tomorrow she'll want to settle down.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_08: Until tomorrow, she's gotta keep moving on.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so happy we brought it back to the littlest hobo.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_08: I can't not.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think I've ever actually seen an episode of The Littlest Hobo, but the theme is etched into my brain, as is the way of every Canadian.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: I have seen many an episode of The Littlest Hobo.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's great.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: You watch a dog show from the 1980s?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_08: The host who did an entire episode about cinematic dogs watched the show about a dog who travels from town to town solving people's problems.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_08: I'm missing wishbone?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm pretty sure you're talking about wishbone.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: Wishbone?
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_03: Also good.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: If this were a TV podcast, oh boy, would I have a list of TV dogs ready to go?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_07: Look, there's nothing in the rule book that says a dog can't jump a boxcar to the next small prairie town to help the next family.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: And he does.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: He does.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_08: So we do start with a quick acknowledgement of how if you base your entire town's economy on one source of blue-collar labor, your town can end in an eye blink.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_08: But we're not spending a lot of time on that specifically.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_08: That is just our introduction to Francis McDormand's journey.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_08: Fern.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_08: Your character's name is Fern.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_08: I noted this when I jotted down people whose life stories we heard before Fern's count at four.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_07: Let me be clear about all of the movies that we're going to be discussing today.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_07: We're doing 100% actor names.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_07: And then for the third one, we're doing what their power is.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_04: In nomad land, they were also real people.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they were playing themselves.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: Which I think is relevant because this movie does have a very documentary but more beautiful feel.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_04: And it's because 90% of the actors are not actors, they're real-life nomads playing a slightly more dramatic version of themselves.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_08: This was really about exploring a real-life community and thus having people in that community play themselves, with the exceptions of Francis McDormand and David Strathairn, who, of course, was Pierce Milhouse Pratchett, the drug and vice-lord from LA Confidential, who was betrayed by Captain Dudley Smith in their attempts to retake Mickey Cohen's old rackets.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, of course.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: We always bring it back to Moggs and LA Confidential.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: We have two things.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_08: More importantly, he was also the blind hacker from sneakers.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_08: That's my fourth favorite 90s movies about computer hacking.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_08: Thus, I must love him forever, much as Muncie will always love Matthew Lillard.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I will.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, yeah.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he is very charming, right?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_08: Just to jump all over the timeline of this movie, to follow up on Aaron's comments, if it's almost like a documentary, that has always been one of my notes on this movie, and I'll say it in a pleasant tone, even if I mean it derogatorily every time I write it down, is that it takes so long for Fern's story to enter the narrative that the first act almost does feel like a documentary about nomad life hosted by Francis McDormant.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_04: It does.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_04: And honestly, even when we get her story, it's almost more her sister's story.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_08: That part, yes.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_08: But when she tells the like Van Life guru the story of her husband's final months.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_08: He didn't know she was acting.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, did he just think she was another nomad that he didn't know?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_08: He sat and he listened and he said, I'm so sorry for that loss, but I I promise you he's he's in a better place and you're going to move past this.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_08: And she had to say, Oh, sorry, no.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_08: Uh my husband is alive and one of the Cohen brothers.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, sorry, no, no.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm acting.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I do for a living.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the schools in this movie is acting, but I am.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_07: Sorry, sorry.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_07: This whole film goes so hard.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I post, I don't remember if it was our group chat or if it was one of my other ones, but I definitely posted to one of my group chats, okay, it's time to pour a glass of wine, take my meds, put on nomad land, and get a bit silly with it.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_07: And then you were like, nope, nope, I did not get silly with it.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: Wrong choice, wrong choice.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_08: That was our group chat.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, she did not get silly with it.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_04: But okay, I might be the I know I'm not.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say I might be the only asshole in this conversation.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_04: The real people sometimes were cringy in the scenes where they made them do dialogue.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: I think when they let them just like do their own thing and tell real stories, because like 100%, the guy who looks like Santa, yeah, Bill, what's his face?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_04: There were scenes where he was just doing his thing and it was very, very good.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: And there were moments where Schwatzi is that her name?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: Twanky.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_08: Twanky.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_04: Twanky was talking about, you know, in real life, she's like uh an avid canoeist and had seen so many neat things across the world.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_04: There were times where you're like, oh no, they're just they're saying stuff, they are doing themselves.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_04: But then like when she was sick.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's the hard thing of casting it is not even casting.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's the hard thing of getting non-actors to act when the movie's not about that.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Because Francis McDermott is doing and like she's acting up a storm, but the others are that's not their job.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like they're not actors, this is just their lives.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: So it was very obvious when they were acting, because you're like, oh okay.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_07: She's visiting into that world.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_08: Which is why when she needs a romantic interest who has the potential to lure her back into house life when he himself thinks, actually, I do want to live under a roof and be with my family again.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_08: They did not turn to a real-life nomad, they turned to David Strathairn, star of Good Night and Good Luck from George Clooney.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_08: Because you need someone who can act on Francis McDormand's level.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_08: And there's not a lot of people in that category.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_08: No, she has three Oscars, and she deserved two of them.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_08: I thought she was great in free billboards.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know what you're on about.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_07: I think Margot Robbie was great for I Tanya, but we're not relitigating this.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_08: Point, point, Twunsey.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_08: Anyway.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_07: Moving on.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_07: Simply the fact that you knew instantly which of the three I was referring to.
• 12:12
  unknown: I know.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_03: Aaron and I are over here just going, okay.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: We'll just listen, listening giggle.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_07: I would urge you both to watch i Tanya.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's on my list.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_04: I quite like that.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_04: But this is because Margot Robby can do no wrong.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_08: And of all the movies where Margot Roby earned an Oscar, that is the one where she seemed to have the most legit chance because the Oscars do not value comedies or movies in which you play Harley Quinn.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_08: Which we'll circle back to when we get to the bonus round in the factoids.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, bonus round.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_08: Ooh.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_08: Now I probably am joining Aaron in buzzkilling this topic because my big thing is that this is a celebration of Nomad Life, and it did not sell me.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_08: And the moment it began to lose me was the presentation on how to pick the appropriate size of poop bucket.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: Followed directly by a scene of Frances McDormand pooping in her poop bucket.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_08: Which apparently I found this out, and I am apoplectic! Was not scripted.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_08: She just pooped in a bucket?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_08: They weren't even filming for real yet.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_08: Chloe Xiao and Francis McDorman were getting some test footage in the van.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_08: She legitimately had an upset stomach, stayed in character, and went for the bucket.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_08: And Chloe's like, you did that on camera.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_08: I'm putting it in the movie.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's wild in.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_04: I don't like that story.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, obviously Frances McDorman signed off.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_08: She was a producer on this movie, and she got fully naked to lie in a creek.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: She did.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: She did do that.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: This, okay.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: I found this movie, I it put me in a really weird mood.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: I like I don't know if I would ever want to watch it again.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: But it put me in like a very where I was like, okay, I'm I'm following it.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm with it.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm with the movie.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm having feels, but I also don't know if I would ever actively want to watch it again.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: And not in a way of like, oh, I was like really sad or it made me like really content.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: No, it was just like I don't, I don't know.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was good, but I didn't like it.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_07: We've encountered that before.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_07: I enjoyed it a lot, and I'm glad that I watched it, but as soon as it ended, Disney Plus was like, now do you want to watch three billboards?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_07: And I was like, Calm down, Disney Plus.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_07: I'm already crying.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: They gave me Wild.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: That was their suggestion for me.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_08: I don't remember what they suggested for me.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_08: I I told them to let me watch the credits too fast.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_08: But we talked about in our last proper episode how Disney is often way off the mark in their recommendations.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_04: So at least these ones were like on brand.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_08: Endgame you can into it.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_08: I don't I already saw Infinity War.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: That one was weird.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: That one it did to both of us, and we were like, what?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: Why are we going the other way?
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_08: Now the we are in the portion of this podcast that comes after my initial blog project, so I have only seen Nomad Land twice, and uh, I do concur I'm good.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_08: I don't need to see this a third time.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_08: The cinematography is gorgeous, they do sell on the wonders of nature, and I too would just like to throw on my pajamas and wander around an abandoned ghost town, except for my deep anxiety that every cool-looking abandoned building is filled with drug users and ore pushers.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Or zombies, which it was when she went into her home and there were all the plates and stuff on the floor.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: Drugs were there.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_04: Drugs, drugs, drugs.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: That's what happens in a ghost town.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_08: I'm actually less concerned about zombies than uh drug dealers because the zombies won't make eye contact and try to talk to me.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: No, they'll make eye contact to try to eat you.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: But they're gonna what kind of zombies they are, you could just walk like at a clip away from them.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: Unless they're like 28 days later zombies, in which case you gotta you gotta book it.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_04: But like most zombies, just walk and don't trip.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: Just like make sure you got a clear path and you're fine.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_07: They're Romero zombies built to survive a zombie apocalypse.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe that's fine.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_04: It's also maybe like an advertising selling point for this movie, because these characters would definitely survive a zombie apocalypse.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: They might not even know what was happening until they show up for their seasonal work at Amazon, right?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: Which I found really depressing.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: The Amazon scenes like really upset me.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: This okay, and this is why I don't necessarily want to watch this movie again, because it was there's some scenes and some moments where I'm just like, my everything about my being is sad.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_08: This is my second complaint about the movie after singing Christmas carols to herself, old timey Jesus ones, even could not be me.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_08: At least I live in a van with a radio.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_08: Number two is how much this movie sucks Amazon's dick.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_08: I'm like, what a great gig Amazon warehouses are.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_08: Look at everyone laughing and bonding during the meal break that they definitely get.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_05: Amazon didn't even make this.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's crazy that like it's on Disney Plus.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_07: Like I went back to recheck halfway through.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_08: Like in Masters of the Universe, when an Amazon delivery truck runs over Beast Man, allowing Adam and Tila to escape to the ship.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_08: You get it.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_08: You're like, you paid the bills, you get to put an Amazon truck in the movie and give it a hero moment.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_08: Fair enough.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: But this whole like seems awful.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want that for people.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_08: This is like half her year's income, probably.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_08: Like she has Amazon for six weeks, and then she just roams around until she has to get a short-order cook gig or tour guide this Badlands.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: Also, cleaning the people in that um campground campground are disgusting.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're animals.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's a gross campground.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: That the scene where she's cleaning up the toilets, and then that man, number one, like who that gross.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: But number two, man just walking in and peeing.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, everybody in this campground sucks.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_08: What are you, Michael Shannon Shape of Water?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_08: You wait until the cleaning staff is done.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_04: I know the movie was supposed to be a celebration of the life, but what it did for me, even though I did enjoy the movie and was beautifully made, is it made me depressed about capitalism, and it also made me depressed about the nomad's life.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because it feels like every nomad is united in one thing, and that is trauma.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_08: These are people who lost everything because capitalism doesn't care about you.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_08: This is the second movie I can think of on the list that has really captured you can devote your life to a company and get nothing back because company loyalty is a one-way street.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_08: The last one was Kramer versus Kramer.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know this one goes much deeper than that one did.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_08: They like mention it that my husband got sick and died and his pension was nothing.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's just so sad that that really happened.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like the town of Empire, the 2008 crash destroyed that town.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: And it is legitimately a ghost town up in northern Nevada.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's so sad that that that is real.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: And like it's it's real that it shut down in January and by July they retired the zip code because they didn't need it anymore.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't even know that could happen.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: Me neither.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_08: I think it was a company town.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: It was, it was a company town.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_08: Without the company, there's no town, there's no sustainable infrastructure.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just wild.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: Like when she's talking about the stuff that the town used to have, where she's like, Yeah, and we had this convenience store and a pool and a movie.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, she's talking about all the things they used to have, and you're like, that's just really sad.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's really, really sad that they don't have like the entire town just gone.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: What happened to all those people?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Where did they go?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: They're not all nomads.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_07: But like also, I I did love the idea of like finding moments of so much beauty in the middle of like the silence and the bleakness.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_07: Like the last note I wrote about this movie was hold on, I'll look it up.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_07: The world remains remote and cruel, and we must remain equally steadfast in our commitment to remembering ourselves in its face and to finding moments of connection with one another, or where they can't be found, create them.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_07: And that's a goddamn good theme for a movie.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_08: That's much more poetic than my final note, which was if you think about it, the main thing keeping her from just moving back into her house is the lack of water and power.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_08: But that's not different than her current situation.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_07: Oh speaking of which, what are we naming our vans?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_07: Oh Martha.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_08: I uh I need to have a pun and I don't.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_08: No, because Vanguard is taken.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_08: That's Francis McDormott's van.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_08: No, I have it.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, I don't know why it took me so long.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_08: Vancey cravat.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_08: Oh yes, Dan!
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_07: Dan, you have to become a nomad now.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_07: I need to buy a van now.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_07: You've ruined my life.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_07: You made me watch so much.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, granted, not a whole van's worth of trash.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_04: I mean Yeah, okay, yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: But you do get to unmute Casablanca, so We'll keep coming back to that one, Munsey.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's the piece that keeps it from being a Vansworth.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I feel like Munsey said if we were still banking on Casablanca, they were gonna snap back in the 80s.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: But we got one, okay?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_08: That's one and a Batman.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, we did get Batman.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: And an Indiana Jones.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we did get an Indiana Jones.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_07: And a special about media from my youth and whether I was only pretending to like them.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_07: Where we established that my enjoyment of Batman was sincere.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_08: And a mini-episode you threw together as an excuse to talk about hackers.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_08: God, hackers was so good.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_08: And Birdman.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: Birdman was great.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Birdman was great.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: I like that movie.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Just walk through our history.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: I've watched some good movies for this, but like you've also watched a lot of minstrelry.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I mean, I can't say and also Birdman and not think which Dan chased with the longest and worst Transformers movie.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: It was so long and so bad.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_07: Here's my thing.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_07: I wanted to do a joke about how 100% of the minstrelry that I've watched was Dan's fault.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_07: But then I remember that I did grow up in the 80s and I cannot promise that.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_08: No, yep.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_08: Remember up in a time when uh Ted Danson thought he could do a blackface number because he was dating Whoopi Goldberg.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Claire and I grew up in the era where uh Tyra Banks used to do photo shoots where they would swap people's races.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: They sure did.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: They sure did.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: Everyone thought it was cool.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: Except for Jay, who actually had a big problem with it.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: I watched the documentary.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's so good.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's so good.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: He did not enjoy it.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_03: And he had a whole big thing about it, but couldn't do anything because that's how production works.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I'm gonna lure us back to knowing my notes.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_08: Going back.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_08: She's right, she's recommending larger poop buckets for ergonomic purposes, right?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_08: Right?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_08: Right?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_04: If you have bad knees, you don't want to bend as low.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_08: No law on God's earth has stopped me from pulling over into any field and emptying my poop bucket the second I feel like it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that that okay.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the thing that I thought.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, those poop buckets must like, if you don't empty those on the daily and multiple times a day, that van's gonna smell.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_08: No way I let the five-gallon poop bucket get full.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: Nuh uh, nah uh.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, yeah, you're emptying it when you poop, guys.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: You poop, you pull over, you dump it.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: Hopefully there's somewhere where you can like give it a rinse, but get the lid on it until you re-find a source of running water.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I guess it is sealable.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's true.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: It does have a lid.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but like have you guys, you know, put things in your compost and then gone away for a week and then come back and be like, oh no, I failed.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: I should have emptied my compost before I went.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're like, I've made a terrible mistake.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm dealing with that right now.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_08: If there's anything damp in my compost, I have at most two weeks before it eats the bag.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: But no, I've I there's a lot of things.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: I van life is not for me.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_06: Nope.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_03: I I could not van life it.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: I know this about myself.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's a legitimate way of life for a lot of people, and it's not for Claire.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_08: They do admit that this isn't seen as an idyllic experience from the sheer amount of people who are asking Fern if she is okay or if she's in the middle of a breakdown, or does she need somewhere to stay?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_08: She does have to crash with her sister for a little while where her van is being repaired.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that scene was so sad.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: That scene was so sad.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: Because number one, her plate gets broken, and she loved that plate.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's like she does fix the plate, but she doesn't have enough possessions for you to be breaking any of them.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, you broke her plate, and she loves it.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: She told us earlier about that plate.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: It was like Dave, calm down.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: And then the whole van breaks down, and her talking to them, and they're they're just like, Yeah, trade it in, get something new, and she's like, I can't, it's my house.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it's so sad.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_08: And then it's not her sister, but David Strathair, who attempt almost comes close to alluring her into house life, but it goes over so well that she abandons the comfy bed to go sleep in her van because that is just more home now.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: I also don't think she liked the baby.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: Just gonna be honest here.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think she's a baby person.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: I there is like some unexplored trauma there with the baby, right?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like she says they never had kids, but there's some implication that there was something like something, sure.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: She's very not okay with that small child.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like he leaves and she's like, but don't don't begun long.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: Why did you leave me with this thing?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_04: Her level of discomfort suggests something that was unspoken in the movie.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_04: My favorite bit is when she is talking, when she's talking to Swanky after Swanky has revealed her cancer diagnosis.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_04: And is like, I'm going on my trip anyway.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm not gonna die in a hospital.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be fine.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: And she's talking about all the wonderful experiences she had and all the cool things that she's seen.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_04: And they're outside.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: And then Swanky, like the real person, because I think this was real, I don't think this was scripted, just looks off camera and says, Oh, I saw something neat.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: And the reason I think it's real is because they don't really have anything to cut to.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: They cut to like a tree um backlit against a sunset.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_04: But I I think the real person saw something neat and had to comment on it.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_04: And that was so heartbreaking and wonderful to me.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_08: I think the Swanky scene is one of the best and one of the most compelling descriptions of the life because of all the things she's seen and done, and it is beautiful.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_08: Swanky didn't actually have cancer and she did not die.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, she's she's a lot.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_04: I think she was, yeah.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: But but that's why the part where she was talking about the things that she saw was more powerful than the part where she talked about her cancer diagnosis.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because for this non-actor talking about their real experience that could be real experiences, or maybe were this fictionalized version of herself, that landed in a way where we're making this poor person who is a nomad pretend they have cancer.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_08: I think the scene I'm thinking of is I believe Fern was doing the Amazon gig and she wanders through the trailer park shouting Happy New Year at a bunch of trailers that don't acknowledge her.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's yeah.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_08: My note was New Year's Eve 2021.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_08: I watched Boardwalk Empire Alone in the dark, and that was less depressing than Fern's New Year's Eve.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_08: Oh.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_03: Poor New Year's Eve.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: Her little sparkler.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's just okay.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: This movie did a really good job of both showing community and togetherness while at the same time being utterly alone.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, there's a sense of community when she's in the same place as certain people.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_08: But a lot of the time she's not.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_08: All the beautiful, absorbed nature scenes, she is completely alone.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_08: And that is because I think for the bulk of this movie's runtime, she is running from not running to.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_08: And it's only after she finally breaks down and tells Bob the Guru the story of her husband that she's able to go back to Empire and revisit her house and look around and sell off the rest of her storage unit.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_08: And now perhaps she is running too.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: We don't know.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see you down the road.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_08: We'll see her down the road.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_07: I just and maybe this is just the dude in his twenties who spent every Christmas watching taxi driver with whomever was emotionally or geographically distant from their families.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_08: That is the most performatively male thing you've ever copped to.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_08: I'm just gonna put that out there.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, here's the thing.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_08: That's the sort of thing that they make College Joe says he does is a joke.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_07: I was providing an emotional safe space for people who lacked family in that moment.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_07: And taxi driver is the movie of choice.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_07: Well, okay.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_07: I'm I'm a non-binary person.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna have some very boy opinions.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_07: Martin Scorsese movies are good.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_07: They're good movies.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: I enjoyed that.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_07: I'm not saying they're right about everything.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_07: They got it right on this one.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: They are also right that The Godfather is good.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's annoying.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_08: The Godfather is good.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_08: It's very broken, but it's legitimately good.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: We've watched some good bro movies this podcast.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_08: It's an excellent movie.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_08: There's just a reason that only the Kens are really into it.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, we have uh divulged from the point.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: We it's just like this movie.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: We go on tangents.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: We're we're on a journey.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: We find our moments of connection.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_07: In this pacey character study movie, which I'm a sucker for.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_07: That was my point.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_07: I'm a sucker for a kind of pacey character study flick.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_07: And this was a great one.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: It was.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: And the like the music, I loved the music.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it it was so well timed to also evoke like the feelings of loneliness, but also like vastness.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because a lot of it was like as she's staring out at things, and you're like, It was huge, yeah.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_07: Like huge I loved the whiplash between like very claustrophobic isolated moments and then the moments of celebration and then the moments of so much expanse.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_07: Like you feel like you're watching a life.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_04: The other thing I liked is there was no impulse to glamorize anything.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_04: And I think in part you have to do that if you're including, you know, real people who are not actors in your movie.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_04: You have to make the world cohesive and fit.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_04: But I think about what this movie might have looked like if they made it in like the late 70s or the 80s.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_04: It would have felt very different.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: And there would have been kind of this like glamour might not even be the right word, but like this sheen over it, like this Hollywood version of Gris.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_08: It helps that it was produced by and stars the most notable actress who has said, screw it, I'm gonna age and you're all gonna deal with it.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I love that she doesn't wear makeup during this movie.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like I love that.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_08: It would be the least fern thing I could imagine is feeling the need to put on a full face of makeup for any purpose.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's it's this beautiful like realism of she's just there.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: And like Frances McDermond is just there.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: And she's in her 60s at this point.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like, because what does she know?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: She's like almost 70, 69 or something now.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: So she's in her like early 60s filming this, and she is like, yeah, I'm gonna get her one more Oscar naked.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: One more time.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_07: This was the kind of movie that could only exist in 2020.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, a very 2020 movie.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like this this is the movie that'll come on and go, hey, everything is so bleak.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_07: There are gonna be mute beautiful moments though, hang in there to a population who needed to hear that message so hard.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_04: Like an exploration of uh of isolation in 2020, right?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_08: Focus focused on a community of people who have been wronged by capitalism and who are all united by the fact that American society's refusal to care for people has left them in the position where this is their choice, but they've made it a beautiful choice for themselves.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_08: It's just not a choice that I was sold on.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_08: That is perhaps why I will rank it lower than you're thinking I'm going to when we get to the factoids, which is probably soon.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_08: Because oh, we have so many factoids this week.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: I believe it.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Dan, the movie can be good and we don't have to like it.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_04: Both things can be true.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_07: It's true.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_07: I liked it.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_07: However, can I before Dan starts uh doing factoids get onto a soapbox that Dan has heard but I've never mentioned here?
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, yes, please the Academy are cowards with their lengthening of the eligibility bullshit for 2020.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_07: I don't care that no movies came out in 2020.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_07: If you want to give out Oscars at all, cobble together an Oscar slate from the movies released within the normal Oscar period.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_07: I will tell you uh who deserved which Oscar from 2020.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_07: If you'd like, I have a list prepared.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_07: I also have a list.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_07: Let's do it.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_07: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, yeah.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_07: We're doing it.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't bother asking you to.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_08: In the first quarter 2021, what we deserved was the trash Oscars, the very best of what made it into theaters in the first three months of 2020, and maybe a couple afterwards.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_08: So I've got a because there were only eight nominees this year, I have a list of eight, and which ones I think would have won the other major some of the major categories.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_07: I have gone through every single movie that came out in 2020 on Wikipedia.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_07: Glorious.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_07: And filled out what I personally would give each award to.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_07: What do you want to start with, Damn?
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, you got screenplays in there?
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_07: Best original screenplay for 2020 should have been Bill and Ted Face the Music.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_07: Surprisingly poignant look at aging and reflection, reflecting back on missed opportunities to a franchise that should not have been able to support that.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: Glorious, yes, amazing.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: Love some building.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_08: So much better than it deserved to be.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_08: I I don't know that I actually have the screenplays.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I might.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_08: What did I give original screenplay to?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_08: I think I'm also Bill and Ted Face the Music.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_08: Or that or Onward.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_08: It's between those two.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, Onward was a pretty good one, but like Bill and Ted Face the Music made me feel more things.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_08: It did the a surprisingly poignant speech between Ted and Bill about how maybe they're never going to get this song together.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_08: A surprisingly moving statement on how our job is to set the next generation up to succeed, and an absolutely hilarious turn from my best supporting actor winner Anthony Kerrigan as the murder robot who discovers he has a conscience after being sent to assassinate Bill and Ted.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Gilorious.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_08: And has an existential crisis when he learns that he actually feels bad about murder.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, murder robot.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, murder should feel bad.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_07: Murder robots just having the full experience.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: Murder murder robot.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: Complex.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_08: My adapted screenplay gets rolled into uh probably three other categories.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_07: Oh.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_07: Fair enough.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, who do you got for best director?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_08: Best director.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_08: I know who would probably have won it, but I don't agree with that for moral purposes, because he tried to rush us back into theaters too fast.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_08: So I would give director to Kathy Yan.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_07: No Oscars for Tenet.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_07: Kathy Yan for problematically objectifying a sandwich in the birds of prey movie.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_07: You know it.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_07: Come on.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_04: Birds of Prey in theaters.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I have been telling people the last movie I saw in theaters was cats before the pandemic, and that's why I caused the pandemic.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: But no, I saw Birds of Prey.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I also saw Frozen 2, which I know was not in 2020, but that also came out after cats.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_08: Birds of Prey was also the last movie I saw in theaters before the shutdown.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_08: Mine was knocked out.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_08: I'm also giving Birds of Prey a lead actress and at least a nomination for Ewan McGregor.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_07: I think Ewan McGregor should definitely should have been nominated.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_07: My best lead actress was Rachel McAdams from Eurovision, the story of Fire Saga.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: Was Eurovision in Years?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: So good.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: I friggin' love that movie.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: I feel that much.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_08: I do feel the main competitor for lead actress is in a movie I did not see, and that is Elizabeth Moss in The Invisible Man.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_08: Which I I haven't seen it.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_08: It sounds like a rough ride.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_08: But I'm also up for an Oscar for Zoe Bartlett from the West Wing.
• 39:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_07: Rachel, Eurovision was so goddamn good.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_07: It was good people trying their best in beautiful, spacious areas, and it may have meaningfully contributed to my survival of 2020.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_07: Eurovision also won the best original song for Husivik, my hometown.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_07: Because it's great.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_07: It's so good.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think that's a good idea.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like they'd nominate that one, but the audience would be behind.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_08: I should know this one because I contributed to a Facebook video in which I think you helped someone sing it.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_08: I did.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_07: Me and Shandy sang Yaya Ding Dong.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_08: This one.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_08: I think that would they would risk being in a uh we don't talk about Bruno situation where they put all their awards back behind the ballad and everybody wanted the Bruno.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_08: Um, what do you have for best fight scene completed while covered in flour?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: Not specific at all.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_08: Uh probably the Invisible Man one.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_08: But that one for me goes to Blood Shot from Vin Diesel, which we watched together over Messenger.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_08: The same night I watched the Red Shoes, and that colors how you interpret the Red Shoes, let me tell you.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_07: And then all three of us realized at about the same point.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_07: Wait, is this like a real movie that we're going to enjoy as an action movie in a sincere way?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_07: Because I was just going to drink a bottle of wine by myself and make fun of it with a couple of my comedy buddies.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_08: We weren't ready to enjoy it earnestly.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_08: And I think we deserve to hear Joachim Phoenix say, amongst the nominees for best actor, Vin Diesel for Bloodshot, apparently.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_08: Ben Schwartz for Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_07: And the Oscar goes to Will Farrell, also from Eurovision, The Story of Fire Saga.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's great.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Eurovision is great.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_08: So good.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_07: Friggin' love Eurovision.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_08: I am also giving what's your question.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_07: Oh no, I'm still talking about Best Actor if you've still got more to say about Best Actor 2020.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_08: My supporting actress goes to the not yet out is non-binary Jack Haven, who Muncie will remember from I Saw the TV glow.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_08: Who was a better Ted than Keanu Reeves in Bill and Ted Face the Music?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, so good.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_08: Nothing but love and light for Samara Weaving as uh Will Amina Logan.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_08: In the babysitter, Killer Queen, yes.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_08: No, Jack Haven was Will Amina Logan.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_08: Samara Samara Weaving would have been the one named after Ted, who was Bill's child.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_08: Oh!
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_07: See, I was giving best supporting to Samara Weaving, but not from Bill and Ted.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_07: But for the babysitter.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_07: For the babysitter, killer queen.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_08: Well, that feels like category fraud, but I'm not too mad about it.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_07: And for my best supporting actor, say it with me, gang.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_07: Jim Carrey from Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_07: Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_08: My lead actor was not on my eight-film shortlist, but I think maybe it goes to Vince Vaughn for Freaky Blumhouse's What If Freaky Friday were a horror movie?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, that's a great choice.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_08: Which I am desperate to force Keith to watch with me for a Freaky Friday episode.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's fun.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_07: If you guys do a Freaky Friday episode and you do not complain about how Keith keeps referencing the Beekeeper and nobody wants that, I'm going to come to your house and put so many smurves in it.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_08: Well, that's obviously what needs to happen.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_08: Keith needs to keep bringing up the beekeeper, and I need to complain about fake smoking.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_07: No notes.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_07: And finally, obviously, no Oscars for Tenet because Chris Nolan tried to make us contract COVID to watch his loudest worst movie.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_07: What do we like for Best Picture?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_08: I rank them in order of what I thought the nominees would be.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_08: Invisible Man was eighth.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_08: Tenant was seventh, but would be shut out because it does not deserve to win Oscars for dragging me back to the theaters twice in September.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_08: Bloodshot at six.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_08: Our next topic at five.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_08: Sonic the Hedgehog at four, Onward at three, Bill and Ted face music number two.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_08: My best picture, best actress, best supporting actor, and adapted screenplay is Birds of Prey and the Phantamist Emancipation of one Harley Quinn.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_08: Ooh, mine didn't even make your short list.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_08: I haven't seen the Eurovision movie, to be fair.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_07: I wasn't giving it to that, although it would have been a close thing.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_07: What about a fascinating character study of what happens to an actor when he realizes that the Harry Potter money will never run out?
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_07: I am, of course, discussing Guns Akimbo.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I love Guns Akimbo.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_08: I'm rethinking my best actor win.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_08: Because Daniel Radcliffe is a delight in that.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_04: That is a man who's gonna do whatever he wants, and all of you need to watch Velocity.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_08: He did eight billion dollar franchise movies throughout his entire adolescence, and he never needs to do that again.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_08: And he knows it and he does what he likes.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_08: And I love this journey for him.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_04: Does I know right creepy weirdo, and he loves it?
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_06: He's the best career.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_06: He's doing great.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_03: Good job, Daniel Radcliffe.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_07: Like on one hand, he should never have to do franchise work again.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_07: On the other hand, people are right that if he wants to play Wolverine, we should let him.
• 45:18
  unknown: Right.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_07: If he wants to, sure.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_07: But he doesn't.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_07: He's already had weapons bolted to his hands once.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_06: And he's actually short.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_06: He's actually a short guy.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_06: He's just a little dude.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_06: He's just a little guy.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_06: A little oowoo small bean, and it's his birthday.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_06: You can't stop people from playing Wolverine if it's their birthday.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_06: That's how Wolverine is cast.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's legal.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: Legally so, yeah.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_08: The scene that lives rent-free in my head is Samara Weaving, who's been hunting to try to kill Daniel Radcliffe.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_08: Stops a bunch of gang members from killing him.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_08: Shouts, no one's killing this loser! Yay! Except me, obviously.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_08: Aww.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_07: Was Samara Weaving just in everything I liked in 2020?
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_08: Samara Weaving's everywhere you want to be.
• 46:09
  unknown: Alright.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_08: She was in Guns of Kimbo.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_08: She was the babysitter.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_08: She was ready or not.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_08: She was in Bill and Ted.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_08: Now she's Emma Frost.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_08: Samara Weaving's never missed for me.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: Good job, Samara Weaving.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_08: Anyhood.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_08: In the world in which we do live, in which the Academy cowardly extended the nomination eligibility period and made many concessions to streaming films in order to nominate, as I have said in the past, eight joyless festival darlings that felt like nobody saw.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_08: No Mad Land nominated for six Oscars and it won three.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_08: Picture, director, and lead actress for Francis McDormand, making her the seventh deserved, deserved.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_08: Making her the seventh person and first woman to be nominated for producing and acting in a movie, and the only one to win both.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: And who did not want to be at those ceremonies.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_08: A lot of people didn't.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm going to give the most decretous one in a minute, let me tell you.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_08: It lost adapted screenplay, editing, and cinematography.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_08: Chloe Jal was the third person and first woman to be nominated for picture director, screenplay, and editing for one movie.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_08: And I think the first person not named Cohen.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_08: Oh wow.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_08: There's been one more since, and we will get to him.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_08: It also swept the BAFTA, the critics' choice, the Golden Globe, The Independent Spirit, and the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_08: This movie was huge with people who prefer, if you don't make a hard statement about late stage capitalism, we just kind of soft squeeze it in there.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_08: Rotten Tomatoes Time of Recording ranks as two spots under My Fair Lady and two spots over No Country for Old Men, which is heresy at number 39.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'd put it lower.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_08: Immediately between two people, we two movies we have not talked about.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_08: I also would put it lower and have put it at number 68 under You Can't Take It With You and over American Beauty.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_08: Because if you're not buying the nomad Life is Beautiful, actually message, this one is doesn't hit quite as hard as it did for Munziey and Claire.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_07: I would put it at number uh three, right after Casablanca and Birdman.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the ones that you've seen.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: The ones you saw.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_08: So over Man for All Seasons, American Paris, Caval.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, this all makes sense to me.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_08: I think I also have it after all of those.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_08: Before we get to the other nominees, I simply must stop to address the ceremony.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_08: As the end of this year's Oscars were perhaps the most hilarious self-inflicted fiasco I can think of in Oscar history.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_08: And it's not just the part everyone knows.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_08: And yes, I'm including the slap incident from a subsequent year.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_08: What everybody knows is yes, they changed the traditional order of the Oscars to end on Best Actor instead of Bit's Picture in order to cash in on Chadwick Bozeman's widow delivering an emotional acceptance speech to end the show, and then he lost.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_08: But there's more.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_08: So number one, for whatever reason, they decided to go host list for the ceremony again, because Kevin Hart got fired for making a tasteless tweet and they couldn't find anybody willing to take his place.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_08: Number two, they did not send a camera crew to Anthony Hopkins' house.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe because they did that for Judy Garland in 1955, and it was super awkward when she didn't win.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_08: And Hopkins did not feel like schlepping to London in the middle of the night during a pandemic, so he wasn't even attending virtually like Daniel Kaluya was to accept a supporting actor.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_08: Number three, in a year when it felt like fewer people than ever had seen the nominees, they decided to do four go clips of the nominee performances and just have the presenters say nice things about each nominee.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_08: And number four, the final award was presented by Joachim Phoenix, whose every word, gesture, and expression screamed, It is 8:30, and I want to go home.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: It did.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: It really did.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, I don't want to be here anymore.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: None of us want to be here anymore.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_08: So the end result is that after Team Nomad Land comes up to accepts Best Picture and does their team howl, which could have been our emotional climax for the entire awards show, we go on to do two more categories.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_08: And the end result is that they ended on Best Actor, for which Joachim Phoenix slouched on stage.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_08: There were no clips of the performances, and Phoenix had no interest at all in doing the say nice things part.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_08: So basically came to the podium, said, This doesn't matter, none of it does.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_08: Let's just wrap up.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_08: The Oscar went to an absent Anthony Hopkins.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_08: Phoenix gave the least heartfelt we accept on his behalf you've ever heard.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_08: Then wandered off stage to presumably throw the trophy at the closest PA and attempt to beat traffic out of the auditorium.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_08: At which point the camera pans down to an obviously panicked DJ who, in the absence of any hosts, has realized it's now his job to tie a ribbon on this whole show in the wake of all that.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: It was wild.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: It was wild.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: And all the shots of everybody in the audience just being like gold.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_08: Gold.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_08: If I'd been Steven Soderberg producing this, I'd almost have been glad the ratings were at an all-time low.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_08: And not by a small margin.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_08: A massive drop because a lot of people didn't even know they were still doing the Oscars this year.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_07: Which is crazy because we were all at home watching things on screens.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_07: What else were we doing?
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_07: Society hadn't opened up yet.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_07: There wasn't anything else to do.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_07: We could watch the Oscars, or we could drink in the middle of the day and slowly realize we were women.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: And everybody did both of those things.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody did both of those things.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_08: I waited until later in the evening and still I'm pretty sure I'm a dude.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_04: Well then you should have been talking about it.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_08: But it did cause them to rethink the rules yet again and set it at a hard 10.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_08: And we have seen a massive hit on the list almost every year since.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_08: Like the highest grossing film of the year being nominated was Back Baby.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_08: But uh the our other nominees, eight movies with not one scrap of joy among them, rank ordered by me, number eight Minari, or Minari, in which two Korean immigrants move their kids and the wife's mother to Arkansas to chase the husband's dream of growing traditional Korean crops, and God punishes them and us until the credits roll.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_08: Some people do love it.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_08: I'm simply not one of them, but it did make this the first year.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_08: Two East Asian directors were both nominated for best director.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_08: Hey, that's nice.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_08: Not a Korean movie, an American movie, mostly in Korean.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_08: Number seven, the father with Anthony Hopkins is an elderly man battling dementia, and Olivia Coleman is the daughter putting her life on hold to care for him.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_08: The way they jump between times is almost a clever depiction of dementia, but it had a few too many holes for me, which I've said, is this just how dementia makes him lose his place in the narrative of his own life?
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_08: Or is he in fact Dr.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_08: Manhattaning through his timeline?
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_08: Also, he would give a confused in the exact same tone and cadence as my late grandfather, and I took that personal.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_08: Not to uh anger any guests or co-host, but I have no madland at number six, because I am who I am.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_08: That is someone who falls in love with stories about writers being great for writing things.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_08: So number five, I have Mank with Gary Oldman as 30s screenwriter Hermann J.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_08: Mankowitz, becomes so disillusioned with the conservative takeover of Hollywood as spearheaded by his former pal William Randolph Hearst that he writes Citizen Kane about it.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_07: Well, there we go.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_07: Someone in Hollywood with the bravery to glorify the people who write the movies that are made by Hollywood.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_08: It's about time.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_08: Gary Olden was, in fairness, 20-something years too old for this role, but whatever.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_08: 2020's Rich 60 is about the same as 1930s Alcoholic 40.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: He's also Gary Oldman.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_03: He can do what he feels.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_08: Plus, it's a great yeah.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_08: It's a great movie to watch right as you've decided to make Hollywood history your entire personality and have been immersed in the films of the 30s and 40s for the last month because they really capture that feel.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, that's actually true.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_07: I would like to have that experience.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_07: Like, clearly, not enough, because I could have gone on this journey with you in 2020 if I'd wanted.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_08: You could have, I was very public about this is what I'm about to do to my life.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_08: People could have joined in.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_07: I was watching She-Ra and the Princesses of Power.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I should have also done that.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_08: Because I I binged all of that before it got taken off Netflix as I was just talking about Unrecovered.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_08: That was a much more rewarding experience than most of the films of the 1950s.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, heavens, yes.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_08: Number four, not proud of it, but this is where I rank the Trial of the Chicago 7.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_08: Aaron Sorkin's take on how six organizers at the 1968 Democrats National Convention protest and one Black Panther in the wrong part of Chicago at the wrong time got railroaded by a bad judge trying to make a point.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_07: A stellar cast, including but not limited to George Gordon Levitt.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_07: My favorite thing about you is that you like Aaron Sorkin's writing, but you treat that fact the same way that I treat the fact that I vape.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_08: It's an awkward thing to be proud of.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_08: Number three, I place the sound of metal with Riz Ahmed as a heavy metal drummer who suddenly begins to lose all hearing and struggles to hold on to some part of his life in pursuit of a solution that may not exist.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_03: I like that movie.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if it's very sweat, but it sounds like a tough hang.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_08: It's extremely clever in its sound design in every way that Tenant isn't.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_03: It was very good in its sound design.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_08: That when he finally gets his cochlear implants, sorry, spoilers for Sound of Metal, which I'm sure everybody was going to watch any day now, the sound design shows us how imperfect a solution this is compared to what he'd hoped.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh it's it's really good.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_03: I liked it a lot.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_08: Noted.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_08: It's I would say it's my favorite movie of 2020 about someone who lives in their van and has to come to a crisis point in their existence.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_06: Oh boy.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_05: Which is number 20, but it's weird it happened twice.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_08: Also, yes, it's a tough hang.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_08: Everything on this list is a tough hang.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_08: It's a joyless year.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_04: Number two is depressing.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_08: To make that point even harder, at number two is Judas and the Black Messiah, based on the true story of a man forced to infiltrate the Black Panthers by the FBI, as J.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_08: Edgar Hoover looks for an excuse to execute rising leader Fred Hampton before he becomes the next Martin Luther King.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_08: He convinced me that I never ever want to see the Clint Eastwood biopic of J.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_08: Edgar Hoover with Leonardo DiCaprio.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_08: I would find it insufferable.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, trust me, you'd suffer.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I would suffer because it would be nice to J.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_08: Edgar Hoover as a person.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think he deserves that.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_07: God.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_07: They could roll it out.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_07: They could do that thing where if you're like MAGA, you can pay extra if you want.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_07: And then they'll take that money and have it.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_07: That thing when like there's a grifty right-wing movie, and they're like, Would you like to buy 10 more tickets?
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_07: And then some people are like, Yeah, I would like to buy 10 more tickets to this obvious uh grift.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_07: And then the people who made the movie keep it money.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_08: That really worked for a movie I'm going to be forced to acknowledge in a few episodes.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_08: You sure will.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_08: And number one, if this movie has a thousand fans, I'm one of them.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_08: If it has one fan, it's me, promising young woman, with Carrie Mulligan, who I've been a fan of since an education, as a former med school student out for revenge against a system that failed to protect her best friend after a sexual assault, and also a few self-described nice guys along the way.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_08: Emerald Fennel got a best director nod, making this the first year two women were nominated for best director.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_08: They are still squeamish about that.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_08: I think it's very clever that all of the nice guys who take her home, while she seems to be blackout drunk, are all played by actors you want to root for in any other movie they're in.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's the best guy thing where they have they're really good at playing dicks.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_08: That's not even they get like McLovin and that guy you love from the OC, whose name I normally know.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_03: Seth Cohen.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Seth Cohen.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's who I went with.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, it's Seth Cohen.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's correct.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_03: But I also went, ah yes, Seth Cohen.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, there's two guys from the OC.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_08: There's Seth Cohen, there's Jim Gordon from Gotham.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, correct.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_08: And Bo Burney does his things.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, I have a I had an OC podcast.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_04: Ryan Atwood.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_04: There we go.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_03: Every single time I see him, I'm like, ah yes, from the OC.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_03: Literally, he has done so many other things and been so many other like long series characters.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_04: No, every single actor from the OC is from the OC.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_04: Including Peter uh Peter Gallagher.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_07: Honestly, I'm the same way with every actor from Gotham.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_08: So we'll never agree on who the host, who the creator of the new anti-crypto documentary, Everyone Is Lying to You for Money, is.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_08: He's either the guy from the OC or he's Jim Gordon from Gotham, and we won't learn his real name, but maybe we call him Mr.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_08: Marina Bacharin.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_07: Here's the thing about the guy from the OC and the guy from Gotham.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_07: They're not so very different, you and I.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_07: Don't Jim Gordon this.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_07: I like that we had to tie it back to silliness in order to get it off the nomad land tone.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_07: A movie that I very genuinely enjoyed.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_03: My little sister saw it recently and actually like texted my mom and was like, This movie is great.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_03: You have to watch it.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_07: I cried during and then again afterwards.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_07: I feel feelings now.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_07: It's kind of new, and I'm not 100% sure what I'm doing with them, but it's nice that I can.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you have them.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_08: We did need a palate cleanser as before.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_08: We shifted from no Mad Land to our next topic.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, Aaron, tell us all about the bad boys and what they're gonna do, what they're gonna do when it comes for you.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_08: We are so back, baby.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_04: So I have been informed that these characters are called Mike and Marcus.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_04: But for the purposes of this podcast, they are Will Smith and Martin Lawrence because that's what I got.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um they're cops.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_04: Now they're old and they think they're too old for this shit.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_04: One of them wants to retire, the other one wants to not until he's nearly killed by a mysterious assassin.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_04: But don't worry, that's gonna take up like seven minutes of the movie.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_04: You're gonna think he's in a wheelchair.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_04: He's not.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's a lie.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_04: The bad boys reunite for one more ride, uncovering a revenge plot that is uh, spoiler alert, all Will Smith's fault.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_04: And then he discovers that the assassin is actually his son.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_04: And then everything explodes, and there's betrayals, and they talk about aging, and uh, I think they're coming back.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_04: I was so confused this entire movie.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_04: Literally.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_03: Everything does explode though, because Barton Lawrence shoots the pilot of the helicopter and not the route router?
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: Router?
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: Clearly, I know helicopters, not the spinny thing at the top.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't shoot that, he shoots the pilot.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this is maybe the worst summary I've ever given on this podcast because though I paid attention to this entire movie, it entered my brain and then left my brain.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_07: Honestly, that's fair.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_07: This movie was not directed by Michael Bay, but like spiritually, this is a Michael Bay movie.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because the first bad boys was Michael Bay.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_08: And the second one.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_03: And the second one.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then Michael Bay was not here.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna rip off a Band-Aid.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_08: Dan's extra credit corner for this week is that I did watch the entire Bad Boys franchise.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_08: Now I'd seen the first one.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_08: No one asked you to do that.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_08: No one ever asks me to do it, Munzie.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_08: That's why it's Dan's extra credit corner and not Dan's Claire assigned homework.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_04: So, Dan, tell me what I need to know so I could comprehend this movie.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_08: The other movies will not help you at all.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_08: Like if you understand that Will Smith and Martin Lawrence are cops, you have absorbed everything the last two movies had to offer.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_08: So I did know they were cops.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_08: Here's a brief history of Bad Boys as a film franchise.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_08: So, early 90s, Bad Boys comes out.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_08: Now, this stars two sitcom actors at the time, the stars of Martin and the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_08: And it kind of does play like a hybrid buddy cop movie/slash sitcom plot, because the the main second act narrative is that uh a bunch of heroin got stolen, and the guy who still stole it is planning to do crimes, and the one witness who can identify him will only speak to Mike Lowry, who is Will Smith, but Will Smith is busy having a concussion from having run into a random henchman.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_08: So Martin Lawrence needs to pretend to be Will Smith for the entire second act of this movie in order to keep the hostage satisfied.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_08: So it's a wacky sitcom shenanigan where the sitcom dad needs to move into the swinging bachelor's luxury apartment and vice versa.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_03: So remember when we watched two men and a baby or three men and a baby, a number of men and a baby?
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_08: There was a third man.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_08: Ted dancing counts.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was his baby, right?
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_03: I forgot.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_03: It was absolutely his baby.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_03: There was a heroine in that one as well, and shenanigans involving men and heroine.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_08: They were both presented equally as loose canon cops with hearts of gold trapped in a world they never made.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_08: Because at the time they were both sitcom actors, and they legitimately, legitimately believed Martin Lawrence was going to be able to anchor this thing.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_08: Bad Boys 2 came out in 2003.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_08: And what I said about Bad Boys 1 on Letterboxd is you can understand how Michael Bay became an A-list action director, and how Will Smith became a bona fide movie star and action hero, and why Martin Lawrence spent the next 10 years being phased out of pop culture as we understand it.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_08: But it's too late, he's the other guy.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_08: And if the Lethal Weapon TV show teaches us anything, it's you don't get to write out rigs and continue to be lethal weapon.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_08: That's two came out in the wake of Pearl Harbor, in which Michael Bay attempted to break out of his usual tropes and patterns and maybe get that Oscar and failed at both in spectacular fashion.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_08: That movie was such a dud that the South Park guys wrote a love ballad about how terrible it was, and it's kind of a jam.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so sorry.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_04: That movie is so terrible and I love it so much.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_04: I love it so much.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's all.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_07: Question about Bad Boys 1 and 2.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_07: During Bad Boys 3, Bad Boys 4 Life, when they're doing the sniper montage of murdering people with a sniper, would I have cared about any of the people getting sniper murdered if I had watched the previous Bad Boys movies?
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_07: Because they were like framed to look like people who I was supposed to know who that is.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_08: No, you would not.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_08: With the exception of Joe Pantaliano.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, Joey Pants was obviously in all of them.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_08: You understood that you were supposed to care that Joey Pants died, which was honestly a surprise to me because I knew that he was in the fourth one, so it didn't think they'd kill him that quickly.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_08: And he is in the fourth one, but I'm not convinced he was ever in a room with either Martin Lawrence or Will Smith because he mostly appears in Martin Lawrence's Visions from Beyond the Grave and in pre-recorded videos to be delivered to the Bad Boys in the event of his death.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_08: The fourth one gets a heat.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_07: Is Joey Pangeliano John Wick's wife for Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys 4?
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_07: A little bit.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, here for it.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_08: Now the important thing about Bad Boys 2 is it began to test the waters of something that Bad Boys for Life, the third movie, goes hard into, which I think should have been this movie's hook from the beginning.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_08: And that is Will Smith is a loose canon super cop, and Martin Lawrence is a suburban dad dragged into his best friend's wake.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's nice if they're different.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_08: Like that should have been the bit the whole time, because it but it wasn't in the first movie because they didn't understand that Will Smith was more of an action hero than Martin Lawrence.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: Well, in two years, well okay, it's two years.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_03: Will Smith would do Independence Day.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because that was no, no, because it was 95 that Bad Boys 1 came out.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I think it was a year between Bad Boys and Independence Day.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_08: But still, up until Bad Boys, Will Smith's biggest movie was six degrees of separation.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_07: So he hadn't really for exactly six months, those two actors were exactly the same size as each other.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_08: And that's why Martin Lawrence got top billing for two out of four movies.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_08: The fourth movie is weird.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_08: The fourth one?
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_03: Not this one.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_03: Weirder than this one?
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, you know, let's let's let Dan go.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_04: Let's let Dan describe weird.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_04: At least the screen is a good one.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_07: Describe Bad Boys Four.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_07: Bad Boys Three Life.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, so Bad Boys ride or die because we already burned four life on the third movie.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_08: Because again, no one thought they were talking Will Smith into this.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_08: It would it would involve him making some career-ending mistake at the Oscars after the third movie.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_08: And what are the odds of that?
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_08: So it opens with, as all these things do, the two of them in a car that is driving very fast.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_08: But in this case, it turns out they're driving to Mike Lowry's wedding.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_08: Not to Gabrielle Union, who is his commentress in the second movie, not to the head of Ammo, the most suspiciously named police special forces team I've ever heard of.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's like they gave up on that one.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_08: Who they established a romantic history with in the third movie.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_08: No, to an absolutely new character we had never seen before, his physical therapist from the six-month time jump in the middle of this movie.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_02: Everything about this is so good already.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: Continue.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_08: So after two movies of trying to give Mike Lowry a love interest, they just marry him off to an completely new character we've never seen before.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_08: Also, they recast Marcus's wife, because I guess that actress said, No, I'm good.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_08: But then Marcus has a heart attack in the middle of the of the reception.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_08: Dick move to do if you're the best man at the wedding, but has a vision of the late Captain Joey Pance who says it's not his time and whispers some advice to him.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_08: And then this former Navy SEAL, DEA agent, whatever, Army Ranger, I think, not Navy SEAL, decides to frame Captain Joey Pence for being a corrupt cop retroactively.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Audience, you also cannot see our faces right now, but we have a lot of face expression going on.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't even get into this in my quick letterbox review because I wrote it at 12 15 when I knew I had a staff meeting at 9 a.m.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_08: And the most perplexing thing is that every other villain plot makes a little bit of sense.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_08: Chucky Cairo, Hollywood's go-to asshole European, stole some heroin and wants to sell it for a lot of money.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_08: Sure.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_08: I get it.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_08: He's being a dick about it, but I get it.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_08: Cuban guy who's not an actor I care about.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_08: And why did you put Peter Stormare in this movie in order to be secondary to a different villain?
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_08: The other villain's never gonna live up to Peter Stormare.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_08: He wants to sell ecstasy in Miami.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_03: Also valid.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is in Miami.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it all makes sense.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_08: It's understandable and the least in need of uh Mel Gibson level super cop response of any of these movies.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_03: Especially in Miami.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_03: This yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_08: Bad boy.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_08: This movie, this movie, the villain was wronged by Will Smith, who was undercover, sent her husband to jail, and then also sent her to jail.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_04: And baby.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, and knocked her off and then sent her to prison.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_08: So she's miffed about that and wants him to suffer and then die.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_08: It's less lucrative, but I get it.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_08: It's a motivation.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, classic revenge motivation.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_08: This prolapsed asshole in the fourth movie.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_08: What does he gain from framing a dead police captain for being corrupt?
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, it turns out Joey Pance had been investigating this in specific police corruption conspiracy, but he's dead now, so he can't do that anymore.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_08: You already had him killed.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_08: They retroactively state that that's why Will Smith's illegitimate son kills Joe Pantliano in this third movie, is that that can't be true.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_08: No, I'm so it makes absolutely no sense.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_08: But nothing about this villain art makes sense.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_08: If anything, the very act of framing Captain Joey Pence for his own corruption scheme puts the bad boys onto his trail and leads inexorably to his own death.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_07: If I'm dead and somebody takes the opportunity to frame me for a crime, and you're wondering if you should avenge my memory, let me get on the record and say you can if you want, but if you're busy that weekend, that's fine too.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_07: I'm dead either way.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_04: That sounds good advice, and I'd like to second that.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_03: Also, Joey Pants wears glasses that are attached to his head.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_03: He can't so they don't get lost.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_08: Anyway, Marcus spends the second act of the movie going full Tyrese in uh Fast Nine, assuming that he cannot die.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_03: See, we expect this from the Fast and the Furious.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_03: We don't expect this from bad boys.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_07: Do you know what else we expect from Fast and Furious, but not from bad boys?
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_07: For someone to say to someone else, and that's when you realize family is all that matters.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_07: And yet, with the birth of that baby, that is what Martin Lawrence says to Will Smith.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_08: Now it is important to note that uh Martin Lawrence's daughter's baby daddy husband has been now in three out of four movies.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_06: He has.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_06: What's happening?
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_08: He debuted in Bad Boys 2.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_08: He sure did.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_08: In the scene where Will Smith and Martin Lawrence pause their fight over Martin Lawrence wanting to transfer to a partner who is less insane and willing to invade Cuba in order to intimidate Martin Lawrence's daughter's date.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_08: They're bad boys.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, for life.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_07: They're bad boys for life.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_07: That's true.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_08: It does not work.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_08: And not only does he uh marry Martin Lawrence's daughter and impregnate her on multiple occasions, he also joins the Marines and gets his own John Wick sequence in the fourth movie, in which minions of the main villain try to kidnap Martin Lawrence's wife and pregnant daughter, and his son-in-law just murders the shit out of all of them.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_07: Ultimately, it's a movie about fathers and sons.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_08: It is because uh the illegitimate son is back.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_08: They kept that out of literally every trailer, but he is a big part of the story.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Fascinating.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_04: So I've listened to all of this.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_04: This is very interesting, but I have a very important question.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's two questions.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_04: Are noted actors Charles Melton and Vanessa Hudgens in Bad Boys Four?
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_08: I almost brought that up, but Muncie was on a tangent.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, all of the most Dutch Bad Boys Ride or Die, the fourth movie that couldn't be called for life, except Charles Melton, who's the same.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_04: Charles Melton, what are you doing?
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_08: So uh second Reggie from Riverdale did not return for the fourth movie.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_08: Vanessa Hudgens and the muscle-bound guy who doesn't like violence both do return.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_04: It is hilarious to me that Charles Melton is too successful, too famous, too much, than Vanessa Hudgens and Will Smith.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_04: Good for you, Charles Milton.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_04: You go, baby.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_04: You should have won an Oscar.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_08: Time of recording, we don't know that he isn't in the new X-Men movie.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm fair.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_03: I do love that he's also in this movie, Bad Bies for Life, a DJ randomly at this club.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_07: Ooh, Reggie from Riverdale?
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, also I DJ.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_07: Why not Reggie?
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_07: Why not?
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_07: Reggie from Riverdale has DJ energy.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_03: He does.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_03: Especially with his tattoos, his arm tattoos.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_07: His favorite thing to do is to not be the main guy, but to antagonize the main guy.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_07: He is hoping to work his himself up into the Martin Lawrence position in this movie, not the Will Smith portion.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_07: That is accurate.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_03: So in this movie, they're all 50, and they're clearly 50.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_07: They're the 50th.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_08: They're very 50.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_08: That's why Marcus straight up retires at the beginning of the movie.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, I'm done with this.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, again, I didn't understand this movie.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_04: But why did they make Will Smith get shot?
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_04: I thought it's because he was too famous for the movie.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_04: So they're like, legitimate early, and then he has a small role.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_04: But no, he is immediately walking again.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_04: And they're like, Yeah, he just needed a personal connection to the case.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_04: Does he?
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_04: He's a stuff.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_08: He had a personal connection without getting shot.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_08: It's literally all about him.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_08: It's only about him.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't understand the decision making that led to that plot point.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_04: Get me in that writer's room so I can understand.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_07: Not for nothing.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_07: But at that wedding, when he's being introduced for a speech, and the person introducing him says, affectionately known as Uncle Mike.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_07: Is that better than having somebody call him Uncle Mike with like affection?
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the other thing.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_07: As a piece of screenwriting, or is it worse?
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_07: I can't tell.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_03: So they do that, and then immediately every single guest at this wedding knows their bad boys for life chant.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody at this wedding knows it.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_08: They all know the chant.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's like, oh, you didn't know that I was Uncle Mike.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_03: However, you all know this thing that we do together in top life.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_08: It is important to me to note that the person who does introduce him as effectually known as Uncle Mike is played by Michael Bay.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_02: It sure is.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_02: It sure is.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_02: It really is.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_08: He's no longer directing these, but he never wandered far away because this was his breakout movie.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_08: And he it did introduce what is known as the Michael Bay shot, which every one of these movies will do, which is at some point in the movie, at a dramatic moment, Marcus and Mike Lowry will get up from the ground while the camera spins around them with a telephoto lens that dramatic music plays.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_08: That is the Michael Bay shot.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_08: Nicholas Cage does it in The Rock, Billy Bob Thornton did it in Armageddon.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sure somebody does it in every Transformers movie.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_08: If he shot those so that they were movies that stuck in your brain, I'd probably be able to name an example, but he didn't, and I can't.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_03: Can we talk about the use of slow motion in this movie and why it happened?
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Why did it happen?
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_07: Everything in this movie made me think that um, like the slow motion and also the action sequences, but also just like the establishing shots and the panorama and the cars driving through the city made me assume that these directors were making their first movie, having only directed music videos up until now.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_03: It is set in Miami, so you know it is.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_07: And I forget which podcast said this.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_07: This is not my original joke, but it's so true here.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_07: Miami is the greatest city in the world if you're the sort of person who might find yourself on a jet ski with pit bull.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_03: This makes sense, and we all know that Will Smith loves Miami, he literally wrote a song about it.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to Miami, you know, you know, amiami.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_04: Bienvenido.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_07: He is the kind of person who might find himself jet skiing with pitbull.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_07: So that checks out.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_07: It's the greatest city in the world.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_08: He would not be in any way surprised to turn around the club and see Sly Stallone.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, no.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_08: He if he was at a club and turned around and saw Sly Stallone, he would feel nothing about it.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_08: Because that's Miami baby.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_08: That is Miami baby.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_08: It's now occurring to me that Miami has, in fact, never been trashed in a Monsterverse movie.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_08: Let's have Godzilla fight a space Godzilla in Miami.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, because see, you need Horatio Kane to just be putting on sunglasses every now and then or taking them off.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's what Miami is for.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_08: You said Horatio, and that did remind me of something is that one of the reasons why Will Smith has to marry a character we never met before and not the captain of Ammo, who he has an implied romantic history with, is that she is either married to or about to be married to Aaron's favorite midshipman from the Titanic slash Lancelot actor Young Gruffled, Horatio Hornblower.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_08: But oh no, he's part of the evil corrupt cop conspiracy.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_08: Oh no, it gets fed to an albino alligator.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_04: What?
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_04: Now I have to watch this movie.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_08: That's a scene and I will not elaborate.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's it speaks for itself.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_04: I know what's happening.
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_04: I don't need more information.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't understand this movie, but I understand that.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_08: I have so few notes on this movie, so I'm just all over the franchise.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_03: I will say one of one of my notes on this movie was Will Smith, Mike Lowry, number one, how do you afford this apartment?
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_03: And number two, I don't think you eat asparagus, and you should never store asparagus in the door of your fridge.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's not where that goes, sir.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, it's it's established in the first movie that Mike Lowry is independently wealthy.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_08: His parents were rich and left him a lot of money, but he's a cop anyway.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_07: My thing about it is if the fourth one's going to be about vindicating somebody who has been framed for corruption, perhaps living in that apartment and driving the cars that you drive while proving that no corruption has occurred.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_07: Like really else would have done that job, anyone.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_08: Really, when they get framed as accomplices to the late captain and claim that they're trying to just break Will Smith's murder son out of prison, that never comes up.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_08: No one ever notices his elaborate lifestyle.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, no, because it's a movie.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_04: That's how everyone lives.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't you know that?
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_08: Everyone knows he's movies now.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is how Miami works, I presume.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_03: Based on watching CSI Miami and this, this is how everyone in Miami lives.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_07: This is how people in Miami just live.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_07: And I do appreciate, I want to say something nice about the movie because I watched the movie and it's better if we take joy in something.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_07: I like that this movie stayed like defiantly of the 90s.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_07: Oh.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's not trying to look updated or current.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_07: It knows what movie it is.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_07: It's just being that movie and having a blast with it.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_07: And it is weirdly refreshing to see a movie come in at an action movie come in at$90 million.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_07: We're in, we're out.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_07: Because I am in the movie league that Dan and I are both in.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_07: I keep picking these like pop broiler action flicks that I'm certain will come in at like$30,$40 million budget.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_07: And then the day that they're released, by the way, this cost$130 million to make.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_07: And I go, wait, what?
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_07: No, they're driving up the 101 doing crimes.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_07: This can't possibly okay.
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm taking a bath on it.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but you also drafted both Backrooms and Spider-Man, and now you're ahead of me by a half billion dollars.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_07: No thanks to Crime 101, a movie that we are the only two people who remember existed this year.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_08: We're it, we're the only two.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_08: But no, and thanks not to Crime 101, but to me thinking American Populace was dumb enough to pay to see the exact same Moana, but worse, and it turns out that they weren't.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm getting creed by a Moana.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I'm shocked, actually.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_04: I for sure would have thought that the children and the rock simps would be there.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_08: I have lost half my Mario money on Moana.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_03: They don't.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the thing is the live-action Disneys never do well.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_03: We're not here for them.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_03: We're just wanted new.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_08: They're just doing the copyright.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_08: Lilo and Stitch made so much money.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, but okay, here we go.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_07: Moana won the balance of power within the Disney princess universe was about to change.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_03: And Lilo and Stitch, we got the nostalgia factor on that.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_03: Moana's too new.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's too new.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_08: It's okay.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_08: I've got Godzilla minus zero and Jumange 3.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_08: I got this.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_08: I got this in the third act.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Back to Bad Boys.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mostly four life.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, correct.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_03: There was multiple times where I went, what?
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_03: That's not how that works.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like ceiling fans.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_08: Wow, yours is so much more basic than my, that's not how that works.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yes, because you gotta you just gotta be like, okay, that's not how cars work, because explosions all the time.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_03: And you just have to deal with those.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_03: But when they're like, the ceiling fan, you're like, no, no, Martin Lawrence, that's not how ceiling fans work.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_07: Do you know what is how things work?
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_07: The lengthy scene in which Will Smith needed information, so as a cop, he just randomly picked a dude and beat the absolute shit out of him.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_08: Just beat the crap out of Wiz Khalifa until he got information he could use.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Also, I like how he's credited, like in the opening sequence, and only there for that scene.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_08: He's in the fourth movie, even less, and is still opening credits material.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_07: Later on, Martin Lawrence tries to de-escalate a situation nonviolently, and it's played as a comedy beat because cops don't do that.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that that guy also, very high.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_08: Very, very high.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_08: That did pay off in the climax, and that Will Smith had to do the same thing with his murder son.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_08: And say, hey, I am your father and I don't want to fight you.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_08: Basically, a reverse Return of the Jedi Luke Vader situation.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_07: It's so fun that this stupid, stupid franchise wound up being Will Smith's Get Out of Jail free cart.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_08: I did note that Mike is a super cop and Marcus is a superban dad dragged into his wake is better than Mike hates all of this tech and surveillance nonsense ammo uses and just wants to beat up Wiz Khalifa with a hammer.
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, you shouldn't beat Wiz Khalifa with a hammer.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_05: His head's so shiny.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_05: His head is so shiny, and he did like he did the sad Paul Walker song.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_05: He made black and yellow.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_05: He did that one bop with Snoop Dogg.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_05: I'm reasonably sure he never did crimes.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if any.
• 1:27:59
  SPEAKER_05: We don't know.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_05: No, we don't know, so we must assume.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, like, he smoked a bunch of weed, but like whatever.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't count.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_08: I'll just drop in Munzies.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_08: We didn't know, we didn't look it up.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_08: Speech from a previous recovered episode, drop it in.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_07: Disclaimer: no one appearing on this podcast has Googled the behavior in the private life of the actor we are currently discussing.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_07: And whatever they may or may not have done at some point is not information that we have, and we are not taking it lightly.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_07: We simply do not know it.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, did you clip that?
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I gotta clip that.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's evergreen.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_08: I surprised I didn't put it into the Refessors of the Universe episode when we talked about Jared Leto.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_07: You should have, it turns out, because after you recorded it before it was released, a bunch of shit came out about Jared Leto.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_03: Jared Leto.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_03: I follow Jared Leto on TikTok.
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's a wild follow.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_03: Wild follow.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, my Jared Leto does what he feels.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_08: My that's not how this works.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_08: That's not how any of this works moment was that Will Smith's son posts the video of him shooting Will Smith to some dark website and it immediately goes viral, and everyone in Miami has seen it.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's not how the internet works.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_08: That's how it works.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_08: He didn't need to spend an entire afternoon posting it to forums or anything.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_03: Also, why didn't if they just wanted to like kill him, which they kind of did, but then also wanted to make him suffer, just hire like an angel of death nurse to just like loom into the IV while he's in the hospital for six months.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_08: Well, his mother did think he jumped the gun and trying to kill Will Smith in specific.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_08: Which is why they probably don't circle back to him.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_03: Mummy said no, so And she is a witch.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_03: Also, if she's a real witch, just magic that.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_03: We don't have enough magic in this movie.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_08: Which it could be because it turns out that in the fourth movie, Martin Lawrence's vision of Joe Pantaliano from beyond the grave is foreshadowing the climax of this movie because he's next to a significant piece of dead driftwood branch with a parrot on it, and Martin Lawrence finds that exact piece of driftwood with a parrot on it in the climax.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_08: I've been here before.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_07: Then he gets so really does Martin Lawrence have psychic powers now?
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_08: Martin Lawrence has psychic powers because he also told Will Smith that he would have to make a choice, but don't worry, it's all good.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_08: And that's why Will Smith knew that he could shoot his best friend in the chest, and it would be fine because his vest would take that bullet, he'd collapse, then he would have a clear shot at the actual villain.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_08: Like seven clear shots.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_08: The seventh, which was right in the face.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, naturally, it has to be the seventh one.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_03: You can't just do that immediately, because otherwise, why wouldn't you just shoot?
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_03: There's so many gunshots that have to be had.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_08: Which I appreciate because of who I am, because I did want this guy to get just a few seconds of realizing he done fucked up before he died.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_08: Everything's gone wrong, and now I'm just gonna die.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_08: I probably shouldn't have framed a dead captain for corruption and caused this entire sequence of events to take place.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_07: I can't wait for Bad Boys Five.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_07: Bad Boys Five Life.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, can I ask a logical question that is illogical in this movie?
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_03: How did they get down from the fourth floor to the ground floor after they exploded everything?
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_06: A wizard didn't.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_03: Because they're they all that action moment takes place on like the third floor, and then the shot of them after the explosion is them walking out on the ground.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, they really Chris Nolan to that.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, good.
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_07: The camera wasn't on them and something visually interesting was happening.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_03: Or is the secret stairs out the back?
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god, got it, got it.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_08: Christopher Nolan does not care about the interstitials.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_07: Look, sometimes you gotta drive into a tunnel during daytime and then drive out of the tunnel at night because Batman's chasing you now, and Batman would look goofy as balls during the day.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, yes, yes.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_08: Sometimes that's what you do.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_08: Sometimes you just cut to them being in Mogadishu because dreams and movies are like the same, right?
• 1:32:28
  unknown: Yep.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_08: You just jump into the middle of a scene when it's reaching the interesting part.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_08: I have so few notes, my like antipenultimate note is not expecting to kill off Joe Pantaliano, and I feel that's the halfway point of the movie.
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I've really only got one more thing that I need to bring up.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_07: Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_07: Given the general thrust of Will Smith's 2020s, does every scene in this movie, and there are three or four of them, where Will Smith is with a different actor, begging them to do a bad boys with him, and the other actor is like, I don't know, Will Smith, I don't think I want to do a bad boys with you.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_07: Kind of reading like a deliberate humiliation ritual.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_07: It should, because at this point, Will Smith It hadn't happened yet.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_08: He wrote it in anyway.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_08: He had not slapped Chris Rock in front of hundreds of billions of people.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_08: He was still a prestige actor.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_08: He could still do prestige movies as opposed to now, where if you know an actor is poisoned to the academy, why do you cast him in your Oscar Bait movie?
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_08: So he kind of has to do a fourth bad boys.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_07: And then a fifth.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_07: Is this a good time for me to bring up the fact that I did not care about the slap?
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_08: I legit thought it was fake when I saw it happen.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_08: I thought it was staged, it looked staged.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_07: Like with all the crimes that we are finding out that so many dudes in Hollywood have done.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_07: This is true.
• 1:33:48
  SPEAKER_07: He had a couple of drinks and he hit the guy who did a joke about his wife.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_08: My take was when people were saying, should he give back his Oscar?
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_08: Like, okay, okay.
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_08: Look, if there are crimes so bad you have to give back your Oscar about it, the line starts so far past this.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, so many people would have to give back their Oscar.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_03: Some of them are dead now.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_08: Louis B.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_03: stealing from their estate.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_08: Eddie Cantor has an honorary Oscar.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_08: John Wayne almost beat up the native woman who rejected Marlon Brando's.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my god, that's weird.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_07: He's still got Oscars.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, like this is so minor.
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's weird that he wasn't able to walk this off.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_07: It is a vegan.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, by weird I mean racism.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_07: It's racism that he wasn't able to walk this off, probably.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like Chris Rock did some interviews where people asked, Did you think about calling the police?
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_08: And he said, No.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_08: And I feel that the reason was boiled down to, I no, I did not feel that involving white cops in this situation was a good thing.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he's right.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_07: He told the joke, he took the hit, he walked it off.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_07: I also don't think Chris Rock did anything.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_07: I just don't care about this issue at all.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_07: Other than the fact that it's the reason that Bad Boys 4, Bad Boys 5 Life exists.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_07: And that's what we're really here for.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what we care about on this podcast.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:35:12
  SPEAKER_03: The movie that you had to watch.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_08: And I look forward to Bad Boys 5 Rolling Sixes.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_08: I wrote extremely significant fist bump.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_08: That's my last note.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_08: I no longer know what it refers to.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's a fist bump at the end.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_03: Because remember, Will Smith was like, one last time, Martin Lawrence.
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_03: And Martin Lawrence was like, no, retiring.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then later in the movie, he's like, Martin Lawrence is like, yo.
• 1:35:40
  SPEAKER_03: And Will Smith is like, that's right, this is what we do.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_08: That's gotta be it, because it's definitely when they're invading Cuba.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_08: I guess my penultimate note is guy sitting next to Mike definitely wants to be further away from this conversation.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_08: That is his legit funny bit.
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's very funny.
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_08: Because they keep asking people to switch seats so they either can continue to argue or so that Mike can remove himself from the argument.
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_03: That man on that plane, he just he wanted to be on his- also that plane, too big of a plane to fly from Miami to Mexico City.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_03: Just saying.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's an overseas plane.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_03: But once again, this movie doesn't care about that.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_03: This movie gonna do what it feels.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_03: This movie doesn't care about anything.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_04: Nor did I care about this movie.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_07: Do you know what my last note was?
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_07: It was simply after about a page and a quarter of notes on Bad Boys 3, Bad Boys Four Life, the sentence.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_07: What a delightfully empty movie.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_07: And then exclamation point.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_04: You know how the Gen Zeds are like, oh, empty head, no thoughts.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's this movie.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_06: It truly is.
• 1:36:53
  SPEAKER_06: Wait, is that a Gen Z thing?
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_07: I've only ever heard it used about T-girls for the hour after they take their meds.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_08: I'd heard that Gen Zed was being unnecessarily squeamish about sex, but that's how we get a rom-com saying maybe a fascist government that forbids premarital sex isn't so bad if you think about it.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_07: Uh-oh.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_08: Uh-oh.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_08: We should have to watch sex purge.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_08: I do not want to watch the casual sex purge movie.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_07: You are ultimately going to have to watch sex purge, Dan.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_07: Oh god.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_07: Claire, Aaron, you won't.
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_07: Congratulations.
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_07: Great.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_08: Do I want to see Monica Barbero flaunting that much side boob for an entire movie?
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, obviously, I am but human.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_08: But now, this one managed to dominate the U.S.
• 1:37:45
  SPEAKER_08: box office because that was really not hard to do when the theaters closed almost completely for nine months of the year.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_08: But it turns out that countries that took COVID seriously bounced back a lot faster.
• 1:37:59
  SPEAKER_08: So a couple of countries that didn't tolerate Fox News viewers screaming about the rights to spread plagues were able to roll the box office a little more effectively.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_08: So who wants to tell us all about Demon Slayer, the movie Mutant Train?
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh um, this is a movie, period.
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_04: That is about anime.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_04: And a boy and his friends get on a train, and then they meet a potential mentor figure, and then a minor demon puts everyone into an endless sleep, but it's not endless because that's only like a quarter of the movie.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_04: And then they fight the minor demon who merges himself with the train, but it turns out he's been being used by a major demon, and then ravens.
• 1:38:51
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_04: Does they don't have anything better?
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_07: No, that's the movie.
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_07: I would maybe I would maybe push back on the part where you said that this is a movie that is a movie.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it does feel like four episodes of a television series.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_08: Well, if four feels like four issues of a manga, is what it feels like.
• 1:39:13
  SPEAKER_03: Because it is everyone is an unconnected annual, but I'm thinking about American comics when I say that.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know if manga has annuals.
• 1:39:23
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_08: So for Fast Five, we dragged Aaron into the Fast Saga with no context.
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_08: With I tried so hard, Dan.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_04: I tried so hard.
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_08: With Hunger Games catching fire, I jumped into the Hunger Games having seen zero movies and read zero books, but having the gist from YouTube video essays.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_08: And now we're kind of just all doing that with Demon Slayer Kametso no Yaga, I think is the Japanese title.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_08: An anime we have not seen based on a manga none of us have read, now in a feature film version.
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_08: I know that the second movie from this franchise did serious numbers in the US, so I know its fans are out there.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_08: I also know three Utah cosplayers that I follow did a group photo shoot based on this anime, and I still only one-third understand any of their videos because two out of three of them were cosplaying characters who do not appear until the very last two minutes of this movie.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, when I brought this up at Summer Camp, one of my uh camp assistants was like, Oh yeah, and then downloaded me on everything, and I went, hmm.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_07: That just really has to help.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_07: Because this feels like a movie that's really counting on you to be familiar with the Demon Slayer's lore.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:40:48
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_04: I'm afraid to talk about this movie.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, I can't, I can't actually, I I feel like I can't actually say anything because I literally feel like I missed everything that it's about.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not an anime girly.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_04: I think I watched like seven Sailor Moons when I was nine.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say Sailor Moon was my jam.
• 1:41:14
  SPEAKER_03: And so I think there are like conceits to the structure that I don't understand.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I liked it.
• 1:41:25
  SPEAKER_07: Like we've all been trained by Hollywood to expect a certain uh pacing to a movie.
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_07: And over the course of our lives watching uh in Dan's case every movie, and in the rest of our case, some movies sometimes, we learn that pace.
• 1:41:46
  SPEAKER_07: And then when you watch something that is not from that system, I like how genuinely like it allows surprises to hit better because you're always genuinely surprised because the movie's already not playing to the pace that you've been taught to expect.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_08: Parasite did not hit Hollywood plot beats you anticipate.
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, correct.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_07: And I got the same experience from Money Heist when I was making that show my entire personality.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_07: I got the same experience from the uh Lupin show.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
• 1:42:18
  SPEAKER_07: Um when they needed a man who could disappear into a crowd because there was nothing about uh him that witnesses could so they cast just the tallest, blackest, handsomest man that you've ever seen in your goddamn life.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like, goodbye.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_07: And like any Korean zombie property, like you don't understand what the pacing is.
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_07: So when they want you to be surprised, you are surprised.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_07: And I love that.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and I agree, because I speaking of Korean zombies, Train to Busan, great movie.
• 1:42:52
  SPEAKER_03: Love Train to Busan.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_08: And really demonstrates how the Korean horror aesthetic is different than America, because in a Korean horror movie, if the arc is this father never spent enough time with his daughter, it's not gonna end with him in a place where he says, and now I'm gonna make up for all that lost time.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_08: It's gonna be him dying understanding that he never did that.
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and then his daughter leaving with another woman that's just from the train singing her song.
• 1:43:20
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_08: The song that keeps them from being killed by the military.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_08: Good movie.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_04: Great movie.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_04: And there is something of oh, sorry, you will have a better point than me, Dan.
• 1:43:29
  SPEAKER_04: You say your point.
• 1:43:30
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, let's not count on that.
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_08: Now, I'm not familiar with this franchise, but I did do some Wikipedia to learn that the seasoned demon hunter who is on the train that they're all supposed to team up with, fire guy is not a the fire guy.
• 1:43:45
  SPEAKER_08: He is not an established character in this series.
• 1:43:50
  SPEAKER_08: He's new.
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:43:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so the role he serves is the role he serves.
• 1:43:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's the mentor.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_08: But it makes it a little more baffling that the last third of the movie is a duel to the death between him and a demon who is not the demon who is controlling the train, but just sort of showed up, who I checked, is also not an established character in this series.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, fascinating.
• 1:44:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because I felt like there were things both uh prior, like it sort of it jumps in and it feels like we're already in the middle of something.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like when this movie starts, we've already it we're in the middle.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_08: The head of the demon hunting organization is walking through a graveyard listing off names of fallen demon hunters, and I'm just jotting down.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_08: I hope I'm sure I sure hope I'm not meant to know any of these people.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_08: But it is then an established quartet of the main character with the scar on his head, if I'm sure from his origin story, the demonic sister he keeps in the backpack.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_08: Goes confused about upfront, but I get it now.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_08: I get it, I understand her deal.
• 1:45:02
  SPEAKER_08: Is cowardly best friend who is only brave and very good at demons fighting when he's asleep.
• 1:45:09
  SPEAKER_03: Can I just say that I love that they call him Blonde Guy?
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_08: And is the guy in yellow?
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_08: Who's the only one whose name I think I wrote down in Asike, who wears, I look this up, the head of the boar who adopted him as a baby as a mask.
• 1:45:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I 100%, and I want to make it clear, I've been referring to every character in every movie that we've talked to for this episode as the actor name.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_07: So when I refer to the characters in this movie as main guy, electric guy, fire guy, and pig head and demon sister.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_07: It's consistent.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_07: Uh it's consistent.
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_07: That all makes sense.
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_07: I do not know those voice actors.
• 1:45:52
  SPEAKER_07: That will not be learning names on this day.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, we don't need to learn names.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_08: I know Pig Guy from those cosplayers of which I mentioned.
• 1:46:00
  SPEAKER_08: When you are a lady presenting cosplayer, you do need to make some adjustments to the aesthetic if you are cosplaying a character who does not wear a shirt.
• 1:46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Look.
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_08: Mm-hmm.
• 1:46:10
  SPEAKER_04: Look, Pig Guy has a torso.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_04: That torso is full of abs.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_04: So many cartoon abs.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_08: I think Pig Guy might be my favorite because okay, so the train demon possesses isn't possessing people, but he does blackmail like five people on this train, including the conductor.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_08: That if they help him kill the demon hunters, he will allow them to have good dreams again.
• 1:46:38
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm like, I could tell right away something was wrong with this conductor, and one point wrote a note about the protagonist, awfully perceptive for someone who couldn't tell something was off with the conductor.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that conductor was under a spell.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_03: As soon as he walked in, you went, uh oh.
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_08: Uh-oh, still.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:46:58
  SPEAKER_08: Then they all go into a situation that is very akin to Alan Moore's classic Superman story, What Do You Get for the Man Who Has Everything?
• 1:47:06
  SPEAKER_08: in which the Black Mercy alien plant puts Superman into a dream of his idyllic life, and he cannot escape it unless he rejects his idyllic life.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_08: So that is what they all get.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_08: And I did note that escaping from the dream brought Inosuke to an even better existence than the dream, because he gets to fight an entire train, and that's what he wants to do the whole time.
• 1:47:31
  SPEAKER_08: He wanted to fight that train, and now he literally gets to.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's very true.
• 1:47:37
  SPEAKER_03: I I enjoyed this this was not the movie for me, but also because anime is not a style that I know very well, or and because we jumped in in an already established story, I was lost.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_03: However, I really enjoyed the dream world and how they had to find their core.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like that I found very cool.
• 1:48:01
  SPEAKER_03: And like the end of the dream, where it's like they're walking to the end of a dream.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_03: You don't ever really think of a dream having a an end point.
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_08: But the like lackeys of the demon have to find the edges of the dream to escape, to find the spiritual core of the dreamer.
• 1:48:20
  SPEAKER_08: And it is entertaining how there's a variety of reactions from those cores.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I really liked it.
• 1:48:28
  SPEAKER_07: And not for nothing, but the underwater sequence where Main Guy is yelling being yelled at by his reflection.
• 1:48:34
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's gorgeous.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_03: I like that.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_03: There's some beautiful, like legit animation in this.
• 1:48:42
  SPEAKER_03: And some really like cool that's specific to this style of animation, like this anime style that I really liked as well.
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_04: There is something about anime and like the music and the pacing and the structure of the scenes that kind of lulls you into something that is kind of like akin to a dream.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like it kind of seemed like a fever dream watching this.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, they played really nicely in the space between haunting and cartoony.
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's a fascinating tone that it strikes.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_03: I also loved Demon Hand.
• 1:49:16
  SPEAKER_03: Demon Hand really gross.
• 1:49:18
  SPEAKER_03: Hand with the mouth.
• 1:49:19
  SPEAKER_03: Gross.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_03: Loved it.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_08: Hand with the mouth.
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_08: Very effective.
• 1:49:23
  SPEAKER_07: And Dan will attest to this.
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_07: I watched all of the nightmares on Elm Street during Halloween one year.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_08: Seven out of eight.
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_07: I like, okay, the reboot doesn't count.
• 1:49:32
  SPEAKER_07: But I love I love me asleep paralysis demon.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_07: Mm-hmm.
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_07: And this was a great one.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_07: And I kind of wanted that costume.
• 1:49:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it was great.
• 1:49:43
  SPEAKER_03: It looked really cool.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_03: That demon was really cool.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_08: Good demon.
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_03: I love the different eye like the different peoples.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_03: Loved that.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_08: I like the two ways that they were able to resist the demon eyes that put you to sleep.
• 1:49:59
  SPEAKER_08: Between The harrowing realization, the demon's part that every time he put main character to sleep, he would commit suit wake up inception style.
• 1:50:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_08: And that is hardcore.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_08: The fact that every time he enters into a dream, he's like, This is a dream.
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_08: Well, slip.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm awake.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_08: And the fact that because Inasuke wears his dead mother's head as a mask, the demon couldn't find his actual eyes.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and it was a beautiful thing within the like animation of it, where the eyes on the boar's head were actually like offset.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like they the pupils were looking weird.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I love that because it's also he couldn't tell where he was looking for his real eyes, but also the boar's eyes were all over the place, which I really liked.
• 1:50:55
  SPEAKER_03: And then he also saves his friend from actually killing himself in real life, not dream life, because the demons sort of catching on to this.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_07: The demon tried to rabbit season, duck season him.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_08: He did try.
• 1:51:09
  SPEAKER_08: That's such a good way to phrase it.
• 1:51:11
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_08: Then, like, main character is determined to survive this because if he dies, the conductor is a murderer.
• 1:51:20
  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, what a Charlie Bucket in the Tim Burton remake reason to want to live that is.
• 1:51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:51:26
  SPEAKER_08: Mm-hmm.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_08: Mm-hmm.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_08: Don't want to live because he's still trying to find a way to make your sister not a demon?
• 1:51:32
  SPEAKER_08: I don't assume so.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_08: I guess Lightning Guy would pick that up because they seem close.
• 1:51:37
  unknown: Right?
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_07: He seems to live Lightning Guy and the sister had enough to do, but for a long-running franchise, I guess there were other episodes where they were the main ones, probably.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I mean the sister was the thing that rescued him from his dream with her demon blood magic.
• 1:51:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:51:53
  SPEAKER_08: And not counted on a demon with magic powers crawling out of a backpack and saying, This will not do, and starting to wake people up.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_03: I also like how the demons were kind of mad at her for being a demon because she was the wrong kind of demon.
• 1:52:07
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, no, no, no, wait, you what's going on with this thing here?
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's not how demons work.
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_07: And she's like, This isn't what we're doing here today.
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, no, no, this is my brother.
• 1:52:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I still, even though I'm a demon, I love him.
• 1:52:20
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like, we don't understand this.
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_08: And he can't tell me.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_08: And the audience are like Neither do we.
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_03: We're also in that same boat.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sure if we'd watched the show up to the release of this movie, we'd have more context and about how the main character clings to her because she is, in this context, the only surviving family member he has.
• 1:52:43
  SPEAKER_08: Like his was the hardest dream to escape.
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_08: I guess we do spend some time in Fire Guy's dream, which is just what if my father didn't think of as a disappointment.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but then he also chokes out that human who's trying to kill him while he's still asleep.
• 1:52:59
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 1:53:00
  SPEAKER_07: Electric Guy does the same thing.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_08: Because Electric Guy turns out to be more of a badass whilst unconscious.
• 1:53:06
  SPEAKER_07: We don't know that.
• 1:53:08
  SPEAKER_07: I've never seen him do anything whilst conscious.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_08: While awake, he was a bit of uh shaggy from Scooby-Doo.
• 1:53:15
  SPEAKER_08: And while asleep, he was defending an entire train car from demon magic.
• 1:53:20
  SPEAKER_07: I also like that after the fight with the sleep demon, which was a fun fight, super kinetic, really great looking, well animated, and then the demon assumes its final form, takes over the train, takes everybody hostage, is gonna kill them.
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_07: Everybody's gotta get the band back together, form a team, they finally get off the train, they've saved everybody to the point where there's the train is derailed, but everyone on it is going to be okay.
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_07: They defeat the demon once and for all, and then we switch to the demon's POV shot, and the demon delivers a tragic dying monologue.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_08: Wow, that was something else.
• 1:53:59
  SPEAKER_03: It was wild because they're also for people who have never seen this, they're not in their demon form.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_03: We've seen them, they're in a weird slug hand form.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_07: But that's the form you got.
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_07: You gotta get your dying monologue in.
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's per as they're like being like sand drifted away into the ether.
• 1:54:21
  SPEAKER_04: And their monologue's essentially about how much it sucks to be a minor demon.
• 1:54:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:54:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_07: Major demons have to put up with this.
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_07: No, we're gonna be major demonstrators.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_07: Later, one of the demons of the upper three shows up, and that would be terrifying if I knew what the upper three were and what it means.
• 1:54:41
  SPEAKER_08: Any context to this new arrival at all.
• 1:54:44
  SPEAKER_08: At all.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_08: Instead of jotting down, and somehow there is still movie after noting that I don't know that every monster needs an I was happy floating and looking at the stars death moment to make us feel bad for them.
• 1:55:00
  SPEAKER_08: And that when the main character is told to just meditate his internal bleeding away, is like I'm pretty sure this is also how Daredevil heals the TV show.
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_07: That makes sense.
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_07: And opening uh cutting cutting the major three demons arm entirely in half down the middle and then watching him reassemble it, baller opening move.
• 1:55:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yes.
• 1:55:21
  SPEAKER_03: I enjoyed upper three demon man.
• 1:55:25
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna call him Tattoo Man because I also didn't learn names.
• 1:55:29
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 1:55:31
  SPEAKER_08: I just feel that if a demon makes no effort to stop you from cutting off his arms because he can just reattach them with little effort.
• 1:55:40
  SPEAKER_08: Little effort is not no effort.
• 1:55:42
  SPEAKER_08: That still gives you time to go for his neck while he can't block you.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_03: However, his neck was very strong.
• 1:55:50
  SPEAKER_08: His neck did apparently resist being cut pretty well.
• 1:55:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:55:56
  SPEAKER_03: He because it didn't the sword didn't even get halfway through his neck.
• 1:56:01
  SPEAKER_03: It got like only a quarter.
• 1:56:03
  SPEAKER_08: Fire guy got his sword into the demon's neck, and we still were we would just hung on that for a feel five minutes.
• 1:56:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because demon also punched him literally through his torso.
• 1:56:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's true, through his entire body.
• 1:56:20
  SPEAKER_07: And I like a fight as a debate over the nature of true strength as much as the next gal.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_07: At a certain point, stop trying to recruit the guy that you're fighting and do a murder.
• 1:56:30
  SPEAKER_04: He's not seeming very demon demon-y.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_08: Spends the whole fight saying, Let me turn you into a demon so we can fight forever.
• 1:56:38
  SPEAKER_08: And Flame Guy is like, Why would I want to spend more time with you than I have to?
• 1:56:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:56:43
  SPEAKER_08: I kill you or you kill me, and then we're done, my guy.
• 1:56:46
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not hanging out.
• 1:56:49
  SPEAKER_08: We're not going to the riverly after this.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_07: But then also an incredible fight scene.
• 1:56:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's a great fight scene.
• 1:56:56
  SPEAKER_03: The fight scenes in the honestly, the animation is really cool.
• 1:57:00
  SPEAKER_03: There's some really awesome animation and the like the fight scenes, fantastic, really, really cool fight scenes.
• 1:57:09
  SPEAKER_08: Great fight scene.
• 1:57:10
  SPEAKER_08: I'd love, I'd have loved to have been emotionally invested, either participant.
• 1:57:15
  SPEAKER_07: Did the flashback to what set Fire Guy off on this path not create sufficient pathos for you?
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_08: No, because I was trying to catch up on why I care about main character and his friends.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, I bailed on main characters.
• 1:57:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, I bailed on him a long time ago.
• 1:57:31
  SPEAKER_07: I was kind of all in on Fire Guy.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_08: Well, you have to in the third act because main character and pinkhead just sort of stand off to the side saying, well, we can't get involved, and then spend the like last 10 minutes of the movie screaming about how unjust this is.
• 1:57:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:57:49
  SPEAKER_03: I was involved in whoever was on the screen at that point in time.
• 1:57:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's who I was like, this is who I'm paying attention to now.
• 1:57:59
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, like be at a lucha show.
• 1:58:03
  SPEAKER_08: If you're on stage, I'm caring about you and I'm allowing you to try to tell me through context who I care about more.
• 1:58:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:58:11
  SPEAKER_04: The traditional benefit of this movie is I presume, due to the nature of the storytelling, there is no subtext.
• 1:58:18
  SPEAKER_04: Every single character in this movie will narrate their thoughts to you at every single time.
• 1:58:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:58:22
  SPEAKER_04: I would like to go help him, but I cannot do that because my organs are falling out of this hole.
• 1:58:26
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:58:27
  SPEAKER_07: And then, like, I don't understand the tropes and idioms of this genre uh completely, but like, as of the flashback and the fact that he's a mentor figure, you know Fire Guy's not making this out, making it out of this movie.
• 1:58:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 1:58:41
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because he also doesn't want to become a demon and eternally fight Tattoo Man.
• 1:58:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but like as we switch to his POV for his monologue at the moment of his death, I'm I'm sitting there going, God damn it, movie, you got me again.
• 1:58:54
  SPEAKER_07: You got me again, and it is working.
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_08: I just kind of thought he'd be take this other random demon down with him in the end.
• 1:59:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:59:04
  SPEAKER_07: But no, instead, we got did I do okay?
• 1:59:07
  SPEAKER_07: Was I successful?
• 1:59:09
  SPEAKER_07: And like, you did great, dude.
• 1:59:11
  SPEAKER_07: You may have been a mentor figure that was doomed from the start rather than the protagonist, but in the end, you pre tagged.
• 1:59:17
  SPEAKER_07: You did.
• 1:59:17
  SPEAKER_08: And like the spirit of a dead loved one says, You did good, you did good.
• 1:59:23
  SPEAKER_08: And now you can rest.
• 1:59:24
  SPEAKER_08: And the entire supporting cast of the anime, including both the other characters from the cosplay videos I'm aware of, get rest raven messengers saying, Yay, Fire Guy's dead, and they're like, Oh, that sucks.
• 1:59:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I liked it.
• 1:59:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, that's what the Raven's purpose was, I presume.
• 1:59:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's their function that they filled.
• 1:59:45
  SPEAKER_03: They did do that.
• 1:59:47
  SPEAKER_04: They did that.
• 1:59:48
  SPEAKER_08: Well, main character and Inasuke, Pinkhead just scream about it.
• 1:59:54
  SPEAKER_08: Sure did scream about a lot of things.
• 1:59:56
  SPEAKER_08: For a while.
• 1:59:57
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of screaming.
• 1:59:58
  SPEAKER_03: But once again, I think that's actually the style.
• 2:00:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like anime style is that.
• 2:00:04
  SPEAKER_03: So Yeah, I don't think it was bad by any means.
• 2:00:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I know.
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, while being like, I don't know what I'm watching, did enjoy it.
• 2:00:13
  SPEAKER_04: I but I don't know what I watched.
• 2:00:16
  SPEAKER_08: I did write a very angry note of this was released in theaters, it should be even a little self-contained.
• 2:00:23
  SPEAKER_08: If you didn't want him to beat the kung fu demon in the end, you didn't have to put him in the movie.
• 2:00:29
  SPEAKER_08: This would have been a four-star letterbox review for me if the movie had ended when I felt the story ended.
• 2:00:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I also think that's not the genre.
• 2:00:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I think that this is and I I said this to Aaron earlier.
• 2:00:41
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I don't think this was the style for us.
• 2:00:44
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we don't know if this is the genre or not.
• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 2:00:48
  SPEAKER_04: You're giving this movie a lot of grace.
• 2:00:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 2:00:50
  SPEAKER_07: I think it might have been the style for me.
• 2:00:52
  SPEAKER_07: I think that there's a parallel earth version of me who got super into anime and then came out that way at 19.
• 2:00:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 2:01:01
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 2:01:02
  SPEAKER_07: Because like I watched it and went, I don't get this, but I would like to.
• 2:01:07
  SPEAKER_08: Whereas I have often said that my ex-wife got anime in the divorce.
• 2:01:13
  SPEAKER_08: So I don't get this at all.
• 2:01:15
  SPEAKER_04: The people get it.
• 2:01:16
  SPEAKER_08: Like I do understand that, which is why me too.
• 2:01:22
  SPEAKER_08: If I'm not willing to pay for Apple Plus because I'm that bad at watching episodic television right now, probably also not willing to get Crunchyroll.
• 2:01:30
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I have Crunchyroll now.
• 2:01:32
  SPEAKER_07: I simply stole Lilla's password.
• 2:01:34
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 2:01:35
  SPEAKER_04: I don't understand what happened when I tried to watch this on Crunchyroll.
• 2:01:40
  SPEAKER_04: I only found the series.
• 2:01:43
  SPEAKER_07: Why was no one able to watch this movie?
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_07: Why did we spend three full weeks struggling with figuring out how to watch Demon Slayers?
• 2:01:52
  SPEAKER_07: We had never had this problem until this movie.
• 2:01:55
  SPEAKER_07: So really what I was such an effort.
• 2:01:57
  SPEAKER_03: This movie just didn't want us to watch it.
• 2:02:00
  SPEAKER_03: It was like, you know what?
• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not the movie for you.
• 2:02:03
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I'm gonna watch it and I'm gonna enjoy it, movie.
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna have a really good time and understand very little of it.
• 2:02:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna just be here for a medium that I don't fully understand.
• 2:02:14
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna let it wash over me.
• 2:02:16
  SPEAKER_08: I noted that normally in movies that I watch, if the protagonists are sitting back and saying, well, there's nothing we can do in this climactic fight but watch it happen, Godzilla isn't usually involved.
• 2:02:29
  SPEAKER_04: Godzilla is like a demon.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a lizard.
• 2:02:32
  SPEAKER_08: I would like to see the Kongfu fight Godzilla.
• 2:02:35
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 2:02:36
  SPEAKER_08: That's I'm not saying it would be long, but I would enjoy it.
• 2:02:39
  SPEAKER_08: And this is someone spoken to someone who has decided I do need to seek out and find Monster Verse Theater, including Godzilla versus the Great Gatsby and Romeo and Juliet and Godzilla.
• 2:02:54
  SPEAKER_08: I'm desperate to read both of those things and anything else that is attached to them.
• 2:02:59
  unknown: Perfect.
• 2:02:59
  SPEAKER_07: Of the three movies that we watched for this, you can only pick one.
• 2:03:04
  SPEAKER_07: What would you throw Godzilla into?
• 2:03:06
  SPEAKER_03: Bad Boys for Life.
• 2:03:08
  SPEAKER_03: No Madland.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_07: Nomadland.
• 2:03:11
  SPEAKER_07: I want to see people that after the town is destroyed by Godzilla.
• 2:03:16
  SPEAKER_08: Precisely, that's a movie.
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_08: I'll watch that movie.
• 2:03:20
  SPEAKER_08: Make that a spin-off of the monster verse.
• 2:03:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, that's the one that makes the most sense.
• 2:03:26
  SPEAKER_03: Also, I can foresee Godzilla just being around in that context.
• 2:03:33
  SPEAKER_03: I picked Bad Boys because it makes about as much sense as the rest of that movie did.
• 2:03:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's not wrong.
• 2:03:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's not wrong.
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 2:03:44
  SPEAKER_04: What a weird year this was.
• 2:03:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, obviously, obviously.
• 2:03:48
  SPEAKER_04: These main 2020.
• 2:03:50
  SPEAKER_08: 83 main episodes of this podcast, and only now have we come to of the movies we discussed this week, which would we put Godzilla into?
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_08: The time wasted.
• 2:04:06
  SPEAKER_08: An American in Paris with Godzilla.
• 2:04:09
  SPEAKER_04: When we finish all of the when we finish all of the years, that's what we're going back and doing.
• 2:04:16
  SPEAKER_04: Don't spoil it.
• 2:04:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 2:04:18
  SPEAKER_08: Well, obviously that's that's what's gonna happen.
• 2:04:21
  SPEAKER_08: Or if y'all get bogged down in another one of your very cool theatrical plays, that's what Monty and I are gonna do is talk about which best pictures needed more Godzilla.
• 2:04:33
  SPEAKER_07: I get bogged down in weird theatrical plays.
• 2:04:36
  SPEAKER_08: You do, but you're not in charge of them.
• 2:04:39
  SPEAKER_08: So it takes slightly.
• 2:04:40
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sure not.
• 2:04:41
  SPEAKER_07: I'm sure not.
• 2:04:42
  SPEAKER_07: I'm a silly little gal with silly little antics.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_07: I tried to run the show for a year and a half and it broke my physical and mental health.
• 2:04:49
  SPEAKER_07: It's time for me to be content.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_08: So now, domestically, as I stated, making the top ten was real, real easy to do.
• 2:04:58
  SPEAKER_08: So, in the US and Canada, Pat Boys for Life was number one and the only US release to break$200 million domestically.
• 2:05:06
  SPEAKER_08: At number two, James Marson must team with a strange visitor from another world against a rogue government scientist in Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_07: Featuring an Oscar-worthy performance by Mr.
• 2:05:17
  SPEAKER_07: Jim Jimothy Carey.
• 2:05:20
  SPEAKER_08: Hilariously, at the Golden Globes, right before this, they did a bit.
• 2:05:25
  SPEAKER_08: Tina Faye and Amy Fuller.
• 2:05:26
  SPEAKER_08: I think Team Faye and Amy Puller were hosting.
• 2:05:29
  SPEAKER_08: They did a bit where they talked about their love for the comedic career of Jim Carrey, and then informed him that he was seated in the movie section, and that was not allowed, and he had to get up and move back to the upper level of the television section.
• 2:05:44
  SPEAKER_08: Like, I did a movie this year called Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 2:05:47
  SPEAKER_08: Like, well, I'm sure that'll get nominated, and you'll be back down here next year.
• 2:05:51
  SPEAKER_08: Also, I forgot to bring this up, but it'sn't relevant to No Man Land.
• 2:05:55
  SPEAKER_08: It was, I think, about three billboards.
• 2:05:58
  SPEAKER_08: But John Mullaney and Nick Kroll had the best respectful joke about Francis McDormand, saying, you know, it'd be a fun way to die.
• 2:06:06
  SPEAKER_08: Cut in front of Francis McDormand in line, in which he complains, say, Hey lady, relax.
• 2:06:15
  SPEAKER_08: At number three, a brutal gang leader's missing diamond unites a cop on the edge, a vigilante seeking revenge, a superpowered lounge singer, and an ex-psychiatrist getting over her breakout with the psychotic clown in Birds of Prey.
• 2:06:29
  SPEAKER_07: Good movie.
• 2:06:30
  SPEAKER_07: Good sandwich.
• 2:06:32
  SPEAKER_08: At number four, and the only year this could possibly have been at number four, Robert Downey Jr.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_08: follows up 11 years of career highs as Tony Stark by giving a dragon an enema in Doolittle.
• 2:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:06:46
  SPEAKER_08: Number five, Elizabeth Moss has some difficulty proving her abusive ex is back in town in The Invisible Man.
• 2:06:53
  SPEAKER_08: Number six, Harrison Ford and an Uncanny Valley CG dog have an adventure through the Yukon in The Call of the Wild.
• 2:07:00
  SPEAKER_08: This trailer was on goddamn everything in 2019.
• 2:07:03
  SPEAKER_07: We have to stop forcing Harrison Ford to do movies.
• 2:07:08
  SPEAKER_07: He doesn't like it.
• 2:07:14
  SPEAKER_08: You only did practical dogs.
• 2:07:15
  SPEAKER_08: You did not do Congress.
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_08: I did.
• 2:07:17
  SPEAKER_03: I did not do CGI dogs.
• 2:07:19
  SPEAKER_08: Which is why we have not been in a fight about crypto for several weeks.
• 2:07:23
  SPEAKER_08: With a K.
• 2:07:25
  SPEAKER_08: With a K.
• 2:07:26
  SPEAKER_08: With a K.
• 2:07:27
  SPEAKER_08: Thinking we're all in the line about cryptocurrency.
• 2:07:30
  SPEAKER_08: Uh number seven.
• 2:07:31
  SPEAKER_07: Everybody's all like, we gotta get at least one cisgendered heterosexual dude on the podcast.
• 2:07:38
  SPEAKER_07: And yet, here we are talking about crypto.
• 2:07:42
  SPEAKER_07: Wondering, do we know?
• 2:07:43
  SPEAKER_07: Do we gotta?
• 2:07:48
  SPEAKER_08: Number seven, two brothers have one night in an epic road trip to complete a spell to see their dad again in Pixar's Onward.
• 2:07:55
  SPEAKER_03: It made me cry.
• 2:07:56
  SPEAKER_03: I love that movie.
• 2:07:57
  SPEAKER_03: That was fun movie.
• 2:07:59
  SPEAKER_08: It was good.
• 2:07:59
  SPEAKER_08: I think it was the meanest case of Pixar's want versus need narratives.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:08:05
  SPEAKER_08: At number eight, America's new favorite caveman meet a more modern Stone Age family in The Crude's A New Age.
• 2:08:12
  SPEAKER_08: Number nine, a nameless protagonist must save the past, present, and future as we do time travel adventure, the aggressively Christopher Nolan way in Tenet.
• 2:08:22
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, he tried so hard and he failed.
• 2:08:26
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna at some point get around to watching Tenet.
• 2:08:29
  SPEAKER_07: And when I do, let me be a hundred percent clear.
• 2:08:32
  SPEAKER_07: I'm going to watch it on my phone.
• 2:08:34
  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
• 2:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you are.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_03: Even worse than a plane.
• 2:08:38
  SPEAKER_08: You kind of gotta.
• 2:08:40
  SPEAKER_08: He's like, it's meant to be seen on the big screen.
• 2:08:42
  SPEAKER_08: I'm like, maybe, Chris, it's meant to be seen someplace where you can rewind or have subtitles.
• 2:08:48
  SPEAKER_08: Your sound mix is atrocious.
• 2:08:52
  SPEAKER_07: Unfortunately, every time somebody tried to explain to him uh Chris Nolan, there's a global pandemic.
• 2:08:57
  SPEAKER_08: Uh all that Chris Nolan could hear was Chris Nolan, there's a prand, a failing real estate magnate gets his hands on a magic stone and lets him reshape reality according to people's wishes.
• 2:09:14
  SPEAKER_08: Of course, the wishes are cursed.
• 2:09:15
  SPEAKER_08: That's how these things work, in Wonder Woman 1984.
• 2:09:20
  SPEAKER_08: Internationally, it did so come to pass that Hollywood needed China to make a massive hit, but China no longer needed Hollywood.
• 2:09:29
  SPEAKER_08: So while number one goes to Japan with Demon Slayer, Kametsono, Yaiba, Mugen trained, as was just discussed.
• 2:09:36
  SPEAKER_08: Number two goes to the 800, based on a medium number of Chinese soldiers defending a warehouse from Japanese invaders during World War II.
• 2:09:45
  SPEAKER_08: Not actually during World War II, during the Second Chinese-Japanese War in the 30s, I think it was.
• 2:09:51
  SPEAKER_08: Oh!
• 2:09:52
  SPEAKER_03: I say O because I it's not this movie.
• 2:09:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's a completely different movie, but it's set in this time period.
• 2:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's what my O was about.
• 2:09:59
  SPEAKER_08: At number three is My People, My Homeland, an anthology comedy spread across five Chinese cities.
• 2:10:06
  SPEAKER_08: Number four, Bad Boys for Life.
• 2:10:08
  SPEAKER_08: Number five, Tenet.
• 2:10:09
  SPEAKER_08: Number six, Sonic the Hedgehog, number seven, Doolittle.
• 2:10:12
  SPEAKER_08: Number eight, Jiang Zia, an animated fantasy movie spun off from the hit film Ne Zha, which we may yet be forced to circle back to.
• 2:10:22
  SPEAKER_08: At number nine, a little red flower, not a Chinese remake of The Fault in Our Stars, but also not a Chinese Fault in Our Stars.
• 2:10:31
  SPEAKER_08: Amazing.
• 2:10:32
  SPEAKER_08: Perfect.
• 2:10:33
  SPEAKER_08: At number 10, Shockwave 2, in which an amnesiac bomb disposal expert has proved that he isn't a terrorist.
• 2:10:40
  SPEAKER_08: Don't worry about what happened in Shockwave 1.
• 2:10:42
  SPEAKER_08: None of those characters are back.
• 2:10:45
  SPEAKER_08: Perfect.
• 2:10:46
  SPEAKER_08: Great.
• 2:10:47
  SPEAKER_08: In terms of Weird Year.
• 2:10:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 2:10:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 2:10:51
  SPEAKER_08: In terms of pairing, I mean, the pairings are all over the map here, from needing a sake to drown sadness at the end of the Demon Hunters, to perhaps the most Bud Light coded movie of the entire year of 2020.
• 2:11:04
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm just going with anything with bubbles and alcohol.
• 2:11:07
  SPEAKER_08: I know that's not sake, it's what I'm doing.
• 2:11:09
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you.
• 2:11:11
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's that's correct.
• 2:11:12
  SPEAKER_03: You go with a a course light where the mountains turn blue, but then also something else.
• 2:11:19
  SPEAKER_07: For Demon uh Slayers, I would say sake is correct.
• 2:11:23
  SPEAKER_07: For Nomad Land, I just was gonna raw dog it completely sober.
• 2:11:30
  SPEAKER_07: And for Bad Boys 3, Bad Boys 4 Life, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, I drank fireball.
• 2:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good.
• 2:11:42
  SPEAKER_07: The drink of Miami.
• 2:11:45
  SPEAKER_07: Uh huh.
• 2:11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh huh.
• 2:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh huh.
• 2:11:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, if we're gonna party in the city where the heat is on, then we have to have some pina coladas.
• 2:11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 2:11:55
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 2:11:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh huh.
• 2:11:57
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 2:11:58
  SPEAKER_04: I'm confused.
• 2:11:59
  SPEAKER_04: My brain.
• 2:12:00
  SPEAKER_04: My brain is confused, my body's confused, I have a glass of wine, I have a non-alcoholic white claw, and I have a can of bubbly.
• 2:12:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's where we're at.
• 2:12:08
  SPEAKER_04: None of it makes sense.
• 2:12:09
  SPEAKER_07: It's a confusing situation.
• 2:12:11
  SPEAKER_07: They're confusing movies.
• 2:12:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 2:12:12
  SPEAKER_07: Bad boys is not.
• 2:12:14
  SPEAKER_07: It's shockingly straightforward.
• 2:12:16
  SPEAKER_08: It's thoroughly straightforward.
• 2:12:19
  SPEAKER_08: There's nothing you could predict except me being surprised that Joe Pantaliano was in all four movies but dies in the third one.
• 2:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 2:12:28
  SPEAKER_08: Even though I knew he was dead for large chunks of the fourth, because that's in the trailers.
• 2:12:34
  SPEAKER_08: Ammo's not in the trailers.
• 2:12:51
  SPEAKER_08: So he's not going to keep doing these.
• 2:12:53
  SPEAKER_08: So it doesn't matter that the third movie has the word for in it.
• 2:12:58
  SPEAKER_04: And then they went, oh no, we blew our load.
• 2:13:01
  SPEAKER_07: Oh god.
• 2:13:03
  SPEAKER_07: On one hand, I would like for Will Smith to rehab his career and get back to making prestige movies.
• 2:13:08
  SPEAKER_07: On the other hand, I would love for him to wait out his ban from the Oscars, attend Oscars the first time that he's allowed to, slap Chris Rock a second time, and then retire from acting forever.
• 2:13:22
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, Chris Rock got some good jokes out of it for a Netflix special, even if he flubbed them in the live version.
• 2:13:28
  SPEAKER_08: He got paid.
• 2:13:29
  SPEAKER_08: He did.
• 2:13:29
  SPEAKER_08: All worked out.
• 2:13:30
  SPEAKER_08: In terms of Academy versus audience, I'm actually loath to return to this after the which of these movies should Godzilla have been in.
• 2:13:39
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 2:13:40
  SPEAKER_08: I might be the outlier here, but am I team bad boys on this one?
• 2:13:45
  SPEAKER_08: I feel I might be team bad boys on this one.
• 2:13:48
  SPEAKER_07: I think I think I'm Team Nomad Land because being right isn't the same as being fun all of the time.
• 2:13:59
  SPEAKER_08: That's staggeringly depressingly true.
• 2:14:03
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 2:14:03
  SPEAKER_04: I think if I were to recommend a movie to someone, like I think if I were to talk to a human individual and be like, hey, you should watch a movie.
• 2:14:14
  SPEAKER_04: I would probably recommend Nomad Land, but I do have access to Demon Slayers for 41 more hours.
• 2:14:27
  SPEAKER_04: So I might have to watch it again and maybe understand more.
• 2:14:32
  SPEAKER_04: I might watch these series.
• 2:14:33
  SPEAKER_04: I have Crunchyroll now.
• 2:14:35
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 2:14:36
  SPEAKER_04: I guess I also have Crunchyroll for a week because I signed up for the free trial thinking if the movie would be there and it might be there because as I went on my journey trying to get access to this movie, it appeared that maybe if I went to Apple TV on my phone, I could find the movie, and then I could press a button that would send me to Amazon Prime, which would then give me the movie on Crunchyroll through Amazon Prime.
• 2:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I was terrified of that route.
• 2:15:08
  SPEAKER_03: None of that makes any sense.
• 2:15:09
  SPEAKER_04: And when I went to Amazon Prime, I couldn't find it.
• 2:15:11
  SPEAKER_04: And when I went to Crunch Crunchyroll, I couldn't find it.
• 2:15:13
  SPEAKER_04: But if I pressed that button anyway, I was terrified.
• 2:15:15
  SPEAKER_04: This movie was terrifying.
• 2:15:17
  SPEAKER_04: Finding it was the longest journey I've ever been on.
• 2:15:20
  SPEAKER_07: It's so weird how difficult this was for literally everyone.
• 2:15:24
  SPEAKER_08: It is.
• 2:15:24
  SPEAKER_08: This is the most effort we put into watching a movie, and we had to split 1947 into two episodes because of how long it took to get a watchable version of Welcome Stranger to Claire and Aaron.
• 2:15:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's true.
• 2:15:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's true.
• 2:15:40
  SPEAKER_08: I own that on DVD forever now.
• 2:15:44
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, there we go.
• 2:15:45
  SPEAKER_08: Until I will it to Munsie.
• 2:15:48
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 2:15:48
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 2:15:50
  SPEAKER_05: For a treat, Munziey.
• 2:15:51
  SPEAKER_05: I'm one of your oldest friends.
• 2:15:53
  SPEAKER_08: And that's why you're going to inherit my Bing Crosby collection, which is at this point just Welcome Stranger.
• 2:16:00
  SPEAKER_04: You know, Welcome Stranger was very charming.
• 2:16:03
  SPEAKER_04: He does play a priest, though, so your mileage will vary.
• 2:16:06
  SPEAKER_08: Oh no, no, no.
• 2:16:07
  SPEAKER_08: He was playing a doctor because this is their attempt to recapture the magic of going my way, but also have a fake Crosby who could fuck.
• 2:16:14
  unknown: Right.
• 2:16:16
  SPEAKER_04: Going my way was the priest one.
• 2:16:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 2:16:18
  SPEAKER_07: That's when I bring you movie-related gifts.
• 2:16:22
  SPEAKER_07: It's very old editions of the books that Cimaren was based on.
• 2:16:25
  SPEAKER_08: And four Funko Pop Smurfs.
• 2:16:29
  SPEAKER_07: I can neither confirm or deny that there was a period of my life where I was smurf bombing you.
• 2:16:34
  SPEAKER_08: The old hate watch for comedy version of you from the beginning of this podcast.
• 2:16:40
  SPEAKER_08: Sure did love to gift me Smurfs.
• 2:16:43
  SPEAKER_07: I was a boy at the time, and I can't be held accountable for any of my behavior.
• 2:16:48
  SPEAKER_08: Claire, where are you on Academy versus Audience?
• 2:16:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm with Academy this time, mostly because the audience was confusing to me, both of them.
• 2:17:01
  SPEAKER_03: One was a style that's not I'm not familiar with, and the other was Bad Boys for Life.
• 2:17:08
  SPEAKER_08: Like I would have ranked Mutant Train much higher if at the end of Bad Boys for Life the head of ammo had had to fight a terrorist who had not been mentioned in the previous two hours of the movie for the next 30 minutes.
• 2:17:23
  SPEAKER_08: But that didn't happen, so I stand by the bad boys because I've thought about the bad boys franchise so much in the past two weeks.
• 2:17:33
  SPEAKER_07: No one asked that of you.
• 2:17:34
  SPEAKER_08: And I've thought about No Man's Land very little.
• 2:17:37
  SPEAKER_03: Fair.
• 2:17:38
  SPEAKER_03: I think here's the thing is if this was another Fast and the Furious, you know where I'd be.
• 2:17:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'd be right there.
• 2:17:46
  SPEAKER_03: Because family.
• 2:17:47
  SPEAKER_07: Bad Boys 3, Bad Boys 4 Life is about family.
• 2:17:51
  SPEAKER_08: It is very much about family.
• 2:17:53
  SPEAKER_03: But not in the same way that Dominic Toretto just gravel whispers family at you.
• 2:17:59
  SPEAKER_07: That's true.
• 2:18:00
  SPEAKER_08: I did fail to mention that Bad Boys 4, Bad Boys 5 Ever does have both Captain Joey Pantaliano's daughter and granddaughter as major characters.
• 2:18:12
  SPEAKER_08: The daughter is a U.S.
• 2:18:14
  SPEAKER_08: Marshal determined to hunt down the bad boys.
• 2:18:17
  SPEAKER_03: Naturally.
• 2:18:17
  SPEAKER_08: The granddaughter is like, no, I think the bad boys are the good guys, actually.
• 2:18:22
  SPEAKER_08: But they're literally the bad boys.
• 2:18:25
  SPEAKER_03: But they're also the good guys, because bad boys, let's never forget, is a theme song to the show Cops.
• 2:18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Let's never forget that.
• 2:18:34
  SPEAKER_08: I will end by noting.
• 2:18:37
  SPEAKER_08: I will end by noting that the running gag, in which Martin Lawrence does not know any of the verses, was introduced specifically in Bad Boys 2.
• 2:18:46
  SPEAKER_07: Fantastic.
• 2:18:48
  SPEAKER_07: Perfect.
• 2:18:48
  SPEAKER_07: I admire it.
• 2:18:50
  SPEAKER_07: I also don't know any of the verses, and I won't learn them.
• 2:18:53
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the thing is nobody cares about those.
• 2:18:56
  SPEAKER_03: All we care about is bad boys, bad boys, what you're gonna do, what you're gonna do when we come for you.
• 2:19:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's all we care about.
• 2:19:03
  SPEAKER_03: That's all anyone cares about.
• 2:19:07
  SPEAKER_08: Look, listeners, if you have not heard Munzie Parker Monroe sing La Bamba at karaoke while refusing to know the lyrics to La Bamba, you have not heard Shakespeare the way it is meant to be performed.
• 2:19:20
  SPEAKER_07: I should do that at some point.
• 2:19:22
  SPEAKER_08: Is it too boycotted to bring back your Swedish chef sings La Bamba?
• 2:19:27
  SPEAKER_08: Because that was amazing.
• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_07: Singing La Bamba in fake Swedish was classic.
• 2:19:32
  SPEAKER_07: I apologize to the people of Sweden.
• 2:19:35
  SPEAKER_08: Next time, we see what happens when there are two favorites battling out for Oscar supremacy, and the vote says surprise neither.
• 2:19:44
  SPEAKER_08: And also, Sony tries to pull off their own miniature Avengers End game just with Spider-Man, and the audiences say, Yes, please, that.
• 2:19:54
  SPEAKER_08: And quarantine movies officially end.
• 2:19:57
  SPEAKER_08: But until then, we are writing therapyproductions.com.
• 2:20:01
  SPEAKER_08: You can find all of our episodes and other projects there.
• 2:20:03
  SPEAKER_08: You're also Oscar V audience on Threads, Instagram, and Blue Sky.
• 2:20:07
  SPEAKER_08: Jump in and tell us that we missed the subtleties of the Demon Slayer franchise.
• 2:20:12
  SPEAKER_08: Go ahead, try to make it make sense.
• 2:20:14
  SPEAKER_08: I dare you, I double dare you.
• 2:20:16
  SPEAKER_08: I am Dana Forth on all those places plus letterboxed where you can see how I rank both our final movies as box office champions.
• 2:20:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Aaron Weary.
• 2:20:25
  SPEAKER_04: You can find me at flimsyplan.com or you can uh nope, just go there.
• 2:20:30
  SPEAKER_04: You can find everything else from there by placing other things.
• 2:20:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Claire Bolton.
• 2:20:35
  SPEAKER_03: You can find me by following Dan or Aaron.
• 2:20:37
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm Munziey Parker Monroe.
• 2:20:39
  SPEAKER_07: You can follow me on Blue Sky at Munsey at Bluesky.social, uh, Munzikus on TikTok, and on Letterboxd as well, I believe.
• 2:20:50
  SPEAKER_07: Stay tuned for the thrilling conclusion of Academy versus Audience, then wait uh four weeks and come back to the same feed for a Entourage Rewatch podcast where Claire, Aaron, and I, but not Dan, watch each episode of Entourage and then relay the events of Entourage to Dan as though it were his fault somehow.
• 2:21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:21:15
  SPEAKER_08: Look, I would do that podcast.
• 2:21:21
  SPEAKER_08: Like I watched two episodes of Seventh Season Riverdale to sob in for Aaron on Mysteries Outsiders and Abs.
• 2:21:30
  SPEAKER_08: But it almost would have been better if Kevin had just tried to tell me what was happening in the seventh season of Riverdale, and I accused him of making all of it up.
• 2:21:39
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 2:21:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 2:21:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 2:21:42
  SPEAKER_08: But until then, we will see you at the ceremony, where hopefully Joachine Phoenix isn't ending the whole thing on a terrible note.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_08: Good night, everybody.