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#9 - SGT. Jakob Dunham USMC · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Hey, it's the Christian Mike Show.
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  I'm Chris. Welcome.
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  And I'm Mike. He's Mike.
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  Not Mike. Hold on.
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  On Hold. On OK, we're going to cut the
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  music short because we have a special guest today.
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  We'll let Chris introduce our special guest.
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  We do have a special guest on the show today.
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  Turn your preamp up. I don't know how to act when we
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  have guests on the show. It's very bizarre to me.
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  Turn your preamp up. Nobody can hear you.
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  How's that? That's way better.
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  That's way better. OK, take two.
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  Way better take two. Let me take two.
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  Hi, I'm Chris. Adam.
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  And I'm Mike. This is the Chris and Mike Show,
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  and he's the other half of the Chris and Mike Show.
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  I would be the other half. I had to ring the microphone.
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  Yes, we have a special guest today, so.
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  It's increased. We we do have a special guest.
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  He is, he is, he is a civilian at the moment.
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  There he is. Can you see him?
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  Yes. This is Jacob.
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  Hello, Jacob. So the cool thing about Jacob,
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  he's my son. He's he's 22 years old.
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  He's a member of the United States Marine Corps.
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  Hoorah, hoorah. He doesn't like me calling him
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  Sergeant around the house because he's on leave for for a
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  break from the military. So I cannot call him Sergeant.
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  Like when I get up in the morning, I can't say, Sergeant,
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  are you awake yet? He doesn't like that.
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  I shall just call him Jake if he's.
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  Sitting on the couch, they say hey Sergeant, and you can just
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  call him Jake. I'll just call him Jake.
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  Appreciate that more than my fucking with him like I do like
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  I do. So he was.
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  He was. He wasn't born.
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  He, he wasn't born yet in Nemesis.
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  And when we were together in in Nemesis like.
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  He was not alive yet. He was not alive yet.
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  So was that like 65? That was 65 right before I went
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  to Vietnam Sun, right before I was, you know, in case you know,
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  that's when I lost my hands and wrote the the movie script
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  Tropic Thunder. And then by the grace of the
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  surgery, they're back and that they're reattached now.
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  We met in the jungle. Tropic Thunder is a true story.
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  If you didn't know. Yeah, it's a true story.
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  So yeah, so, so Mike is going to actually take over because I'm
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  inept. I only have one set of
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  headphones because I never thought about having two, and I
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  don't have two plugs in my focus right to plug 2 HUD and Sims.
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  So I'd have to get an adapter. One of those, one of those male
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  ends with the two female ends, you know, I don't know what
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  that's called. I'm going to solve that problem
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  for you probably in less than a month, because I'm going to
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  upgrade my studio already. Oh wait, A.
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  Minute. Where's my applause meter?
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  Damn it, we can have applause for that.
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  Then you can have the converter that I'm currently using, which
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  has two headphone plugs and it has two auxiliary plugs for
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  microphones. This is my this is my training
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  gun. See, it's it's training to come
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  out of your holster, fast. Pew Pew Pew Pew Pew.
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  It's not real. It's fake.
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  Turn your preamp up just a little bit more.
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  I have this. Chip clip OK.
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  How's that? That good?
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  That's much better. Yeah, right, Right.
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  That's much. Better give me the Give me the
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  gun, man. Don't call it a gun.
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  That's. What he calls a fucking whooping
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  system which is retired. I have this in my desk because
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  we wanted at a holiday party. Is that is that my gift from you
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  on the show? That's your gift for being on
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  the show. We give gifts to those attending
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  the show when you. I got a gift for him.
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  This is not his gift. You got a gift?
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  No, this is not his gift. But I have a gift.
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  This was my gift from the white elephant at Christmas, and I
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  love it because it's Bob Ross. Bob Ross, Bobblehead.
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  Oh yeah. You know who Bob Ross is?
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  The painter. He's got the Bob Ross
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  bobblehead. Oh, really?
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  OK, so I'm going to leave. I'm not going to leave, but I'm
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  going to. I'm going to, I'm going to.
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  I'm going to put the headphones over to him.
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  Yes, please. So you guys can start your thing
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  and then when you're when you're when you're done, he'll probably
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  escape. And then you and I just do our
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  thing until we we drop the top 10 reasons that you subscribe to
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  our podcast. I mean the Top 11 Reasons 11
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  Top. 11 we. Turn it up a notch.
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  We turn it up a notch. We turn it up a notch.
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  You ever see Spinal Tap? No.
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  Oh, you guys have to watch. As I say, you didn't educate me
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  properly. I'm.
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  I'm. I'm sorry you have let me down
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  as a. Positive Spinal Tap who?
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  What's the movie I haven't watched?
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  I'm sorry, Mike. What's the other movie I haven't
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  watched? That you that you were like?
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  We talked about it yesterday. American Psycho.
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  No, I've seen that movie. Scarface.
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  Seen that movie? Deer Hunter.
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  Haven't seen that movie? Blood sucking freaks.
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  Haven't seen it? Deer Hunter is amazing.
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  Behind the green door, right? I don't know.
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  I don't know. We'll figure it out later.
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  But, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado.
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  A, A, A. He hates when I do this shit.
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  But this is my son. He's a badass Marine and he's
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  serving our country and very proud of that fact.
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  And fucking right he is. That's what Mike said.
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  Fucking right he is. American hero.
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  What? About hero.
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  You are you serving your country?
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  OK? You're a Marine, right?
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  Oh, look at the fireworks. So what do they call the
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  Marines? You're you're, you're a.
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  Because you have to go to school to to learn to kill people.
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  What's that called? The Mottos.
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  Every Marine's a Rifleman. Every Marine's a Rifleman.
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  It's not true, but it's but. It's not true.
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  OK, Don't deflate. People.
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  Don't. Well, coming coming from
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  somebody who's actually here in like doing this shit, it's not
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  like. You have to lean.
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  It's it's not. It's not It's not like an actual
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  like thing like because I'm like, I do a desk job.
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  I'm not like training with the grounds.
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  I'm not like shooting rocket launchers and like constantly
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  shooting like. But you are black belt.
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  Yeah, the micro martial arts program.
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  You can ask what about that because it's like more.
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  OK, I'm going to let you toss to Jake now.
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  I'll be here as as comedic banter.
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  I have no doubt. Oh, there he is.
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  I have no doubt that he will be comedic banter and.
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  Just chill out, man. Just be cool.
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  Rock, there's a there's a reason I asked him to do this.
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  He always, you know, because he always has something to say.
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  Yes. And I don't know.
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  Singer man Singer's always got something to.
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  Say it works out. I feel like this part for me.
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  So for the people that are listening, this is the part that
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  I get excited about. I wanted to interview
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  interesting people who have done things that either I tried to
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  do, which I did. I tried to join the Marine Corps
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  and back then they had some strict they wouldn't take me
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  because I had asthma when I was a kid.
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  I don't know if they're still like that.
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  Same with him. But yeah, we, him and I have
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  talked about that. So it was something that I
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  wanted to do. So for somebody who has been
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  there, done that and now you've been to Japan, how long were you
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  over there? Well, I'm still technically over
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  there. I was there for till this point.
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  I guess when I came back in December was a year year like
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  nine months maybe. Oh wow.
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  So you've been over there quite some time.
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  Like like damn near 2 years, like 2 years.
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  Wow. All right.
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  Well, we'll get back to that. What made you want to join the
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  Marine Corps? Let's start from the beginning.
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  Do you got an awesome dad? He gave you an excellent life.
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  You are a good kid. I followed you growing up on
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  Facebook. him and I have talked on and off.
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  He can't say enough good things about what you've done with your
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  life. What made you want to join the
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  Marine Corps when you had any other opportunity to do anything
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  else? Let's start there.
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  That is a very excellent, that's a very excellent question
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  because I don't really. Know I've been thinking about
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  this all day. What's?
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  For a particular reason, there. Was it really a particular
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  reason? Sorry, that one.
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  So I don't know if he knows this.
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  I don't know if anybody knows this except like like my closest
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  friends. So back in, it was like June,
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  July, like 2019. I just finished high school.
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  I was like, I wanted to go to college.
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  And then I was just like, I went to, I went like, I enrolled in,
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  like, CGCC. And I was in my college
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  orientation and I fell asleep in the front row because it was, it
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  was that fucking boring. And I was like, wow, this sucks.
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  So I so I left. And then my mom, she's like
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  getting ready to, like, pay for the class.
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  Like, hey, we're just like, wait, it's like, I don't want
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  her to pay because I don't like people paying, like, spending a
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  lot of money on me. Like, the closest thing people
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  spent, like, a lot of money to me was probably this, this
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  apple, this Apple Watch that I got yesterday.
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  But it's probably the most expensive.
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  Oh, and then there's this. I got this crucifix for my mom
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  yesterday. But.
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  What was yesterday? I like that.
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  Yesterday was Christmas. Yesterday was Christmas.
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  Yes, Merry Christmas. The most Yeah.
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  Merry Christmas. Excuse me.
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  Wow, that was bad. Relax.
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  So I guess like, after it was like, after a while, like, I
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  don't want to pay for the class. I was like, oh, I'll just go
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  like join the Marine Corps. I'll go expand my options, you
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  know, look for a potential career.
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  Expand your. Horizons expand.
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  My horizons go outside the box. So I talked to the Army.
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  Yeah, I talked to the Army. And they're pretty cool.
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  They give me like free shit. I was like, wow, this is cool.
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  Like, whatever. Mom's like make sure you explore
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  your options. Make sure you talk to other
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  recruiters. So my dad's buddy is was is well
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  was a recruiter in I, in the in the Marine Corps, over in
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  Chandler off of Dobson and Chandler Blvd.
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  I think. Steve West.
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  Yeah, OK. Well, at the time of Stash on
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  Steve West, I don't know what he's.
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  I'd always do it now. I knew he's like National Guard
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  or something. Shout out to Steve West.
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  So talk to him. It was cool.
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  Shout out to Steve West, talk to him for a little bit.
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  And then I decided it was it wasn't for me because I wanted
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  to, like, stay. And then here's the reason,
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  right? That was a little back story.
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  So my sister got pregnant, right?
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  OK, so I was like 1. Let's.
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  Clarify by a complete stranger. Yeah.
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  OK, so I was like one, I want to get the fuck out of here 2
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  because like they said, they had to move.
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  So, like, at the time, they just bought that house that they
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  were, that they were like living at.
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  So we had to like, get up and move completely.
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  And I was like, oh, if anything goes wrong, there's an Ave.
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  where I can help out. But then I'm in fucking boot
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  camp and I see my dad seeing a picture of their new houses.
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  Like, wow, they don't need my fucking help.
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  But like, what did I just do? I was like, so the the majority
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  it wasn't. That's a very honest answer.
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  I love it, dude. I love.
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  It and I just like, I didn't say like do this, like for me, I
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  didn't do it for money. I didn't do it for education.
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  I didn't do it. So I did it for them.
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  So I guess like thanks for you know.
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  You're welcome, son. Yeah.
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  So yeah, that's that's kind of like why I joined, because my
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  sister was pregnant with my first nephew.
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  OK, so we got to an interesting point where you said, I thought
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  to myself, what the fuck did I just do?
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  How long did that last before you calm down and said, OK, this
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  is what I'm going to do with my life now and I've owned that and
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  I'm OK with it versus which one are?
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  You again? Tell her to relax.
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  I got this all on. It that one.
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  OK, press it. It's.
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  Hard to tell me. Yeah, he's trying to tag me on
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  some on some stuff. On social media marketing, Mike,
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  where you guys are talking about just stuff in the military?
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  And he's interrupted my train of thought, man.
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  Kinds of things like that. And you're interrupting a train
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  of thought, man. Interrupting the train of
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  thought. So OK, so I guess like.
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  Yeah. So at what point did you stop
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  saying What the fuck? OK, so.
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  Or are you still there? I was in.
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  Where were you? It's it's it's like right now
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  I'm like, what the fuck? Like the fuck?
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  Because we'll get to that in a little bit, because I realist
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  again for a second term. Sometimes you got to say what
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  the fuck name name the movie. Paps No.
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  I'm trying to do my thing. I know.
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  What name the movie? Risky.
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  Business. You look risky business.
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  Yeah, I'm really OK. He's good.
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  He's OK. So yeah, I know.
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  Yeah, so. See, we have that I.
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  Guess so. I was in the schoolhouse, right?
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  Sorry, now I just did it to you. I apologize.
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  OK, Jake's going to talk now. Ladies and Chris.
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  And I apologize for being total assholes.
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  We're Jake's the guest here. Go ahead, Jake.
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  I apologize. Yeah, so I was in the school
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  house. I was in North Carolina.
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  It was in Kev Johnson finishing up supply school.
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  That's what I do, by the way. I'm a 3043 supply administration
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  specialist. I absolutely fucking hate it.
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  It's terrible job. It sounds terrible.
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  Leadership sucks and it's terrible.
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  And I and I am a supervisor, so I don't do work.
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  I'm just there floating around. But that's that's what that's
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  going to be a lot of stuff later.
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  So originally I was supposed to go to Japan, so the unit I'm at
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  now was supposed to be my first unit, but COVID hit, so we
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  couldn't like go overseas anywhere.
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  We couldn't even go to Hawaii. So they're like, y'all need to
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  just put on this piece of paper your top three places you want
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  to go or like, give me like, what place you want to go, Just
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  throw it out there. So somebody went to Yuma Yuma's
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  in Arizona. It's like it's three hours from
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  my house. So I was like, well, that's
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  cool. I put Yuma down.
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  I was the only one in that whole class that was supposed to go to
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  Japan. There's like 12 of us and I'm
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  the only one that got what I wanted.
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  So at that time I was like, OK, this isn't that bad.
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  Like, I was like, yeah, it's COVID.
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  But at least we're going to be like in the same state I was
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  like, I thought about it. I was like, oh, I can see my
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  family soon. I get my friends.
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  I can have my truck. Like, I can like, at the time I
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  had a truck and I was like, well, this, like this works.
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  Like, this works out perfectly. So at that at like when I was
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  like on my way back over there, it was just very like relaxing,
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  kind of like a I'm coming back like it's going to be, it's
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  going to be relaxing like it's going to be, it's going to be
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  fine at the end of the day because it's not going to go
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  like 6000 miles across the ocean to a place I don't even know to
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  people. I don't even know when here I
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  had like a better atmosphere of like like it's going to be like
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  back to normal life beforehand. That makes sense.
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  That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so.
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  OK, so how did? You stop.
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  That's when I got the Yuma. The craziness.
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  Stop that. You got to Yuma.
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  Yeah, when I got there, because I actually met, I met a whole
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  bunch of new people that were really cool.
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  Some were really from California, some were from
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  Arizona. So it was, it was the people,
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  like on my level. Plus, I had a really good
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  leader, too. His name was at the time, it was
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  Lieutenant Romer, but he's a captain now, so he really make
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  me felt like at home when I wasn't at home.
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  And some of my staff in CS2, they're pretty cool.
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  They're they're all people like families.
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  So they made the place feel like a family, so it was like home
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  away from home. OK, so can I pause you Right
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  there was let me see how I want to say this because I'm going to
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  try and relate it to the time that I was in the band with your
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  dad. Was that the first time that you
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  met people that you knew 100% had your back, that weren't your
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  family Being away from home, not your friends when you're home,
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  but OK because being in the band with him?
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  Yes and no. When I had the other two guys
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  there, plus your dad, that was the first time that I knew that
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  there were other people in my life that 100% had my back that
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  weren't my family. Like no matter what I did, I
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  knew that those guys had my back 100%.
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  So it just sounded like that similar kind of experience for
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  you where that's when I was able to relax for the first time and
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  enjoy my life. Yeah, it was.
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  There's like a couple, I guess there's like there's like 1% in
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  particular. His name is what we call them
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  Diaz, but I remember. Diaz.
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  Yeah. So this time it was, it was, I
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  was, I was APFC, so it was like Lance Corporal Diaz, he was like
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  right above me. He's one that really like kind
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  of brought me in because we were like we're like around the same
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  age. He's like year older than me.
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  And we kind of just really just like became friends and you kind
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  of just like showed me the ropes of the place like should be like
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  how to like basically survive here.
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  I guess like in like the the Fleet Marine Corps what they
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  call it. OK, so he's got only one at the
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  time that I trusted rather than my other friend coming in like
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  May of that year, so. And what were you doing for a
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  job at this point? Same thing.
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  Or oh, so do we supply? OK.
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  Yeah, it is the same. I had well at the time I I was
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  told to there's different sections within supply.
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  So it's like I was in the fiscal section which handles like the
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  funds of the of the of the unit because I was at headquarters.
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  So I was like handling like the, the 11:50 like squadrons with
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  like per year was like a three to $4 million budget.
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  So they just threw me in there. It's like all right, do I fix
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  this? It's like, all right, I was
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  like, OK and hold on. A. 2nd That's what I did for
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  like 2 years. I just want to make a joke,
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  ladies and gentlemen. the United States of America is entrusting
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  Jake at 22 years old with three to $4 million of your tax
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  dollars. So.
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  Well, I was 18, so for that. Oh, it's even better.
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  He was 18, folks. He was 18.
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  That's great. Yeah.
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  I actually trust you before. I trust a lot of them old
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  bastards that are in Washington. So that was a joke Completely.
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  I would trust you before I would trust me.
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  I don't. Trust me there.
• 19:22
  Oh. Gosh.
• 19:23
  And I will say that as this podcast goes along, you're going
• 19:27
  to hear me say a lot of things that seem like I'm anti war and
• 19:32
  military. I am 100% for you guys.
• 19:35
  I am 100% against the people that make the decision to put
• 19:38
  you in harm's way in places that we have no business being.
• 19:41
  So that's where I stand, 100% right?
• 19:46
  You guys are badass. It's funny that you mention
• 19:48
  that. Go.
• 19:53
  Ahead, I said, well, it's funny that you mention that because a
• 19:55
  lot of people, like, feel like, oh, like they want to put us in
• 19:58
  harm's way. But there's like a lot of people
• 20:01
  who are like, Nah, fuck it, let's go, let's go.
• 20:03
  Like the like, the entire infantry is just like, Nah,
• 20:06
  fucked out. Let's go, let's just, let's just
• 20:07
  go over sheets. Let's go shoot people.
• 20:08
  That's like, because that's what they want to do.
• 20:10
  That's what they're trained to do.
• 20:11
  So it's like. And I got 1/2 and half.
• 20:14
  I would say. Fiddy, Fiddy, you're.
• 20:18
  Welcome, son. Thanks.
• 20:22
  He's so much help. So kids and you OK?
• 20:26
  So how long were you in Yuma before you got moved to your
• 20:30
  next tour of duty? 2 years.
• 20:35
  Wow. OK.
• 20:37
  And that's one. Yeah.
• 20:38
  March to March, March of 20 to March of 22.
• 20:42
  And that's when you got sent to Japan.
• 20:46
  Yeah. OK.
• 20:48
  So still same job going to Japan?
• 20:56
  Yep, still same job. Keep your same job until you
• 20:58
  submit a lateral move. You just request to go to a
• 21:02
  different job if you meet the prerequisites.
• 21:05
  So at this point, what what are you rank wise at at this point?
• 21:10
  Not now, but at the point that we're talking about, when you
• 21:14
  when you got to Yuma and when you left, did you gain?
• 21:16
  Right when I was saying. Yeah.
• 21:20
  I gained so when I was in the schoolhouse I was a or when I
• 21:24
  was MCT was Ring Combat Training, which is in between
• 21:28
  boot camp and your schoolhouse. I was a private, so it was a
• 21:33
  private and then in the schoolhouse I promoted the Pfc
• 21:37
  or when I graduated MCTI promoted to private.
• 21:41
  First class Pfc got the Yuma five.
• 21:47
  Wait, so five like 8-9 months later I was promoted the Lance
• 21:54
  Corporal and then a year after that or let's say 11 months
• 21:59
  because I was meritoriously promoted, which is like if
• 22:01
  you're meritorious, you you want to board and then you take a
• 22:07
  like a two or three day event. You you do drill, you do
• 22:10
  physical events, you answer questions, you write papers like
• 22:13
  you give presentations. So I got promoted to corporal
• 22:17
  right after that meritoriously. And then as when I left Yuma, I
• 22:22
  was a corporal, So after I was like 6 months after that.
• 22:26
  So when I left to go to Japan. So you left there as a corporal?
• 22:34
  E4. OK.
• 22:38
  I kind of know a little bit about the ranks, but probably
• 22:41
  people that are listening don't. And I don't know enough about it
• 22:44
  to even get started explaining it to somebody.
• 22:46
  So you can talk to me like I'm a complete novice.
• 22:50
  OK, So you go to Japan as a corporal, doing the same job.
• 22:55
  What was were you excited to go there at this point?
• 22:58
  You had accepted, you're in the Marines.
• 23:01
  You are a Marine. Let me back up one step.
• 23:06
  I got one question as far as so you go through boot camp, basic
• 23:11
  training, whatever you want to call it.
• 23:14
  Let's let's back up to there because that's one thing that I
• 23:18
  really want to know about. How bad was that go from I
• 23:23
  signed up to day one. You get there, kind of go
• 23:26
  through basic training for me because people have described it
• 23:29
  to me. What was it for you?
• 23:35
  Well, at first it was, it was very stressful because it's a
• 23:37
  whole new environment. Like, I wasn't used, I guess.
• 23:39
  Like, it's like like high school football.
• 23:41
  I was used to waking up at like 6, go to wait till like 630, you
• 23:46
  know, go to class, stuff like that.
• 23:47
  But like, this was like, hey Dozer, sorry, sit down, sit
• 23:53
  down, boy. So I guess like going there, you
• 23:59
  have to, like it was like when you go to receiving, you're up
• 24:03
  for like that morning where you have to fly from MEPs to San
• 24:09
  Diego. So I was up that day at like
• 24:11
  3:30. My recruiter came and picked me
• 24:12
  up and then I went to MEPs, did final paperwork, went on the
• 24:18
  flight, went to San Diego, and I chilled in the USO for like I
• 24:22
  think like 12 hours. And I was just there, just still
• 24:28
  awake, like, kind of, like looking at the door, like,
• 24:31
  peeking at the doors. Like, what are like the drill
• 24:32
  instructors going to walk in? They come in, we got on the bus.
• 24:35
  We go to boot camp. And you have to have, like, your
• 24:38
  your head down. Like, like, you can't, like,
• 24:40
  look on the outside. You're supposed to, like, you
• 24:42
  were supposed to, like the last outside thing.
• 24:45
  You're going to see like, for a while, get your head, you're
• 24:47
  going to bust, get your head down.
• 24:49
  You're like, you're like you're like this.
• 24:50
  Like like it's it's some weird stuff.
• 24:52
  It's like, so we get there immediately.
• 24:56
  We get off the bus. People are screaming at us,
• 24:58
  getting inside, getting our head shaved, empty all your pockets
• 25:01
  like all I had on you was like my ID, like 20 bucks and my
• 25:06
  Social Security guard and like 1 little pamphlet with all like
• 25:09
  all my paperwork. You get into like the little
• 25:12
  like they call it the contraband room.
• 25:14
  You get in because remember you go through the doors, take a
• 25:17
  left, you go down the hall, the left side is the Barber shop and
• 25:21
  then the right side is like the Contra room.
• 25:22
  So we went into the Barber shop first, got her head shaved,
• 25:27
  sewed your civilian clothes. You get out, you filter into the
• 25:30
  Contra bedroom. There's like little like little
• 25:32
  red bins. Put all your shit in there and
• 25:34
  it like empty your pockets, pull up your card or like like like
• 25:38
  grab this, pulled it up. It's like if you have jewelry,
• 25:42
  hold it up. Like it's like you have a cell
• 25:45
  phone, you have a whatever, hold it up.
• 25:46
  You need to get it so it's like everything's very fast-paced
• 25:50
  trying to get us all ready and we're just like constantly on
• 25:55
  the move. We had to like, stay up for like
• 25:58
  2 days straight, get shots, do paperwork.
• 26:02
  So you literally had no sleep during this whole time?
• 26:04
  Hydrated it's like 3 days straight 3.
• 26:08
  No shit, the battery. 'S dead, yeah, Which now I'm
• 26:14
  used to it. I mean, now I can just stay up
• 26:15
  for like 340 straight and not not I can just.
• 26:18
  I can survive off energy drinks and Oreos not be fine.
• 26:22
  How many hours of? Flying back to the United
• 26:23
  States. No, no, we're talking about Boot
• 26:25
  Camp. Oh, I know, but you're talking
• 26:27
  about staying awake. And I was like, how many?
• 26:29
  Hours. Did you fly flying back?
• 26:31
  From he's allowed to ask. Questions Japan.
• 26:33
  Well side track record flying? Yeah, flying back from Japan
• 26:39
  recently until now, it was like 29 hours.
• 26:42
  I was just awake. Holy shit, I.
• 26:44
  Was just like just watching movies, listening to music,
• 26:48
  walking through like the Japanese airports.
• 26:50
  Like trying to read the signs as best as I can so I don't get
• 26:54
  lost. I've done that many times, but I
• 26:57
  had a lot of help and I don't suggest that for anyone.
• 27:00
  Stick with the energy drinks and coffee.
• 27:02
  But I've never stayed up for more than a couple days without
• 27:06
  a lot of help. We'll just leave it at that.
• 27:10
  Yeah, it's not a mystery. I did drugs, but that's a
• 27:12
  different podcast. So, OK, so now you're you got
• 27:16
  your head shaved. You've been up for three days.
• 27:19
  That's where we're at. Yeah, so then we have to get
• 27:25
  into like in the receiving squad base.
• 27:27
  So there's a time, It's like, I don't know why, but they made us
• 27:30
  go to sleep at like 7 like 7:00 PM one day.
• 27:33
  Takes me to wake up like early the next day and not like the
• 27:38
  feeling when they eat like way too fast and you get like super
• 27:41
  sick. Sure, absolutely.
• 27:43
  In a way, how about that? Like, absolutely.
• 27:45
  Yeah. So there's like, when we got
• 27:49
  there like that next morning we woke up.
• 27:51
  Or was it was that same day that we were off, like the three days
• 27:53
  straight, but we were at like, breakfast.
• 27:55
  We call it like morning chow and, like, I was eating, but
• 27:57
  they're like, better eat fast. So I was eat fast.
• 27:59
  And I was like, wow, I'm gonna puke because I I was.
• 28:02
  I've never, like, eaten so fast in my life.
• 28:05
  Like, I don't know. I don't even know Because it's
• 28:10
  like, a certain way that you had to, like, sit there, you had to
• 28:13
  eat like you can only eat like, like what hand.
• 28:15
  You were just like this the whole time, just like shoveling
• 28:17
  food in your mouth. And then like, so after that we
• 28:25
  had we did more paperwork that day and then that night we went
• 28:28
  to sleep at like at like 7:00 PM.
• 28:30
  Woke up at like 4 the next day, got ready, ran the IST, the
• 28:33
  initial strength test, which is like a mile and a half a Max set
• 28:38
  of pull ups and then a Max set. Oh no.
• 28:41
  It was like a Max set of crutches.
• 28:43
  I'd be dead, dude. I would be dead.
• 28:46
  I'm laughing at your dad, but I'm just like, holy shit up.
• 28:49
  There's no way I would like that.
• 28:51
  I'm not in that good shape. Surprisingly, there's a lot of
• 28:57
  like people my age that like were like they were dropped
• 29:00
  because they they failed it. And.
• 29:04
  You had failed doing like 12 pull ups and like 60 crunches
• 29:10
  and run a mile and 1/2 in less than 13 minutes.
• 29:14
  I could have done it at your age.
• 29:15
  I can't do it at my age. But I was.
• 29:18
  Your dad can probably still do it.
• 29:24
  That sucks. Yeah.
• 29:26
  I mean, before he broke his foot, sure.
• 29:29
  But I mean, you probably could do it now I.
• 29:34
  Could do it now. I couldn't do it now, yeah.
• 29:39
  Tell him why I run. This up six minute mile.
• 29:41
  Tell him why I run this up. Six minute mile.
• 29:44
  Because you try because. I was trying to catch your ass.
• 29:46
  Oh yeah, the reason my dad is like this because he's trying to
• 29:49
  catch me. Well, I kind of let's.
• 29:51
  Get motivated getting this. Later but I was getting this so
• 29:53
  I didn't work out for like 3 months.
• 29:55
  Yeah, we're getting there. We're getting there.
• 29:57
  So I was getting yeah, I was getting this, so.
• 29:59
  Yeah, that's going to be a whole nother conversation, you know?
• 30:02
  Last me a little bit. You're not getting off the
• 30:05
  podcast without explaining the tattoo.
• 30:07
  We're not there yet, buddy. We're still at boot camp.
• 30:09
  Oh, 100%, yeah. Yeah.
• 30:13
  I've been looking forward to this for a long.
• 30:14
  Time, so I thought it was a lot of fun.
• 30:16
  Don't think that there's a time limit here.
• 30:18
  You take all the time you need. I think you're a totally
• 30:21
  interesting cat and it it's a pleasure to have you on here and
• 30:25
  everybody else is looking forward to this too.
• 30:27
  So just not all of us got to go through boot camp and be a
• 30:32
  Marine and do all these cool things like see different
• 30:35
  countries. So you're an interesting dude.
• 30:37
  So continue on with Bert Boot camp.
• 30:40
  Bert Camp. Continue on with Bert Camp, yes.
• 30:46
  So I could say boot camp was a lot of fun because we had like,
• 30:52
  no shit. There's like cliques, like
• 30:53
  there's little, like, obviously there's like just get that out.
• 30:58
  There's like the Hispanic group, there's the white group, there's
• 31:01
  like the the African American group, there's like the American
• 31:03
  Samoa group. There's like different people
• 31:06
  because like, oh like like the couple because they're like they
• 31:09
  either came together or they're like minded or like I guess they
• 31:12
  look the same like whatever whatever you want to call it.
• 31:14
  But as it goes on, people can more comfortable with each
• 31:17
  other. Everybody starts to know each
• 31:18
  other's name. So it's kind of like it kind of
• 31:22
  feel like high school, like high school football season all over
• 31:24
  again because you just like you're just with a group of guys
• 31:26
  and you're going through the same shit and working out all
• 31:29
  the time. That's exactly what it sounds
• 31:32
  like. Dude, these are crappy pull ups.
• 31:35
  Yeah, like y'all eat the same thing.
• 31:38
  Y'all do the same stuff. You'll sit in the same classes
• 31:41
  you guys are running the same we're.
• 31:42
  Wearing the same. Shirt.
• 31:43
  We're wearing the same clothes. Oh, am I?
• 31:45
  Yeah, we're going. To back it up.
• 31:47
  We're like, we're wearing the same clothes, run around the
• 31:51
  same place together. We all shit in the same place,
• 31:54
  We all eat the same place, like all of our foot lockers look the
• 31:57
  same. We all look the same with our
• 31:58
  shaved heads, like we're all on the rifle rages together.
• 32:01
  We're all running this PFTCFT together like we're doing all
• 32:04
  the same stuff. Oh, that's weird.
• 32:06
  I have those shoes too here. So it was I could say it was fun
• 32:12
  because it's a good group of guys that I still talked to to
• 32:14
  this day. Like I was just in my birthday
• 32:18
  in Japan in April. I had two guys from boot camp
• 32:21
  who were there on deployments and we also we they went out
• 32:24
  with me and we partied on my birthday and the capital.
• 32:27
  City is totally cool. Okinawa which is not huh?
• 32:30
  That's totally cool, man. That reminds me.
• 32:34
  Of so I guess. I guess you could say I enjoyed
• 32:35
  Boot Camp a lot. Yeah, that reminds me of sitting
• 32:38
  here like you're doing this podcast with your dad and all
• 32:41
  the memories of the hundreds if not thousands of shows that we
• 32:46
  played together. Just, you know, just seeing him
• 32:49
  brings back all those memories. So I I totally understand what
• 32:52
  you're talking about. That's cool.
• 32:55
  So you had a good experience? Like little jokes that we all
• 32:58
  like, that we all like, said to each other, yeah, that was
• 33:01
  pretty cool. That's cool.
• 33:02
  That's cool. That was good.
• 33:04
  Getting OK punched in the face with my chill instructors every
• 33:06
  day was kind of funny. So what is to graduate from
• 33:14
  that? Don't you guys have to do
• 33:16
  something different? I mean, each branch has their
• 33:18
  own final Test, right? But isn't yours like the hardest
• 33:23
  final Test there is to call yourself a Marine to be able to
• 33:26
  wear that uniform? Is that true?
• 33:31
  So. Explain that.
• 33:33
  Yeah, it was pretty difficult. Yeah.
• 33:36
  So it's called the Crucible. It's a 54 hour field event.
• 33:40
  Holy shit. And there's like, I think you.
• 33:44
  Yeah, I think you hike. What was the total?
• 33:45
  It was like, it's like 50. It's like 100 miles.
• 33:48
  We have to like like walking around like Camp Pendleton in
• 33:52
  the little recruit training area.
• 33:55
  It's called Edson Range Recruit, Recruit, field training
• 34:01
  Battalion. You weren't there.
• 34:02
  You were somewhere else, but like, so we're it's like 54
• 34:07
  hours. You start off with like like a
• 34:08
  morning hike at like 2:00 in the morning.
• 34:11
  You get up, you go. You only have like 3 MRA's on
• 34:14
  you. You have to field trip them.
• 34:16
  You can't have the candy. You can only have like the
• 34:18
  snacks and the main meals. And you just you're just walking
• 34:24
  around for like 3 days straight with like barely any food.
• 34:28
  Zero sleep. You only sleep like twice for
• 34:31
  like an hour for like those those days.
• 34:35
  And there's there's a time and I remember this.
• 34:37
  So it's the Marine Corps is really based off of hurry up and
• 34:41
  wait because it's like you have to get there fast just to get
• 34:45
  there before you're supposed to be there on time.
• 34:48
  I guess like you're like 50 minutes prior to like the 50
• 34:50
  minutes prior type thing. But there was this one night.
• 34:54
  So we come back from this little, I guess this little
• 34:56
  field thing. So we had to get up, get our
• 34:58
  packs on. We had to carry our rifles in a
• 34:59
  fucking ammo can. And we were like, walking up
• 35:02
  these hills, walking down these hills, going around this place,
• 35:04
  walking down past the barracks. We thought, oh, we're gonna go
• 35:06
  back to the barracks, But we didn't.
• 35:08
  And like, walking past, we go down the hill again, we turn
• 35:11
  around and go back up this hill. Funny thing about that.
• 35:13
  I fell asleep while I was walking, Holy shit.
• 35:16
  And I remember waking up and I was like, holy shit, I'm still
• 35:18
  walking. I was like a total autopilot.
• 35:22
  That's crazy, dude. That's crazy.
• 35:30
  And then? After we got back from that.
• 35:31
  Hold on one second, Rick. Couldn't I got rifles?
• 35:35
  Not to not to interrupt you, I got one question.
• 35:37
  So as this is going on for this 54 hours it who's monitoring
• 35:43
  this? Do you guys have like a person
• 35:45
  that's in charge of your group that you're with, that's
• 35:48
  watching what you're doing and leading this?
• 35:50
  Or how is this going down as far as how do you know where to hike
• 35:53
  and how long to hike and when to rest and when or you don't get
• 35:56
  any rest? Yeah.
• 36:00
  So we have our our drill instructors.
• 36:03
  So we had our knowledge hat. So we have our kill hat, which
• 36:07
  was Sergeant Kinison. Knowledge hat was Sergeant
• 36:10
  McConnell or Jay. So our drill or the platoon
• 36:13
  Sergeant was Sergeant O'Neill and our senior drill instructor,
• 36:18
  which was Sergeant Schmick also. It was how like a like an
• 36:21
  intermediate hat who was just there.
• 36:22
  His name was Sergeant Gomez, which I actually still talked to
• 36:24
  him to this day, which is kind of funny.
• 36:29
  So they were like over there monitoring us, like walking with
• 36:31
  us, hiking with us, just going through like all the shit.
• 36:36
  So it's like, it's not like that.
• 36:38
  There's like one person like doing everything.
• 36:39
  They were all there, like basically, like teaching us
• 36:44
  like, I want to say encouraging, because they weren't encouraging
• 36:47
  us. They're like, get the fuck up
• 36:48
  the hill or like get get fucking closer.
• 36:50
  Like like what the fuck you do, get the fuck out.
• 36:52
  Let's go like they're more of like, therefore, I guess like a
• 36:57
  scared support, if that makes sense.
• 36:59
  Yeah, tough luck. Kind of like like we're here for
• 37:04
  you type thing, but they're not saying that.
• 37:07
  OK. How many weeks into your boot
• 37:10
  camp is that Crucible? It's at the end.
• 37:12
  So how long is this process? Where are we at in the in your
• 37:15
  story? 13, I'm trying to think 13, I
• 37:20
  think like the 11th week. 11th or like the 10th week because it
• 37:25
  was like, yeah, like the 11th week because the 11th week.
• 37:28
  And then there's like there's two weeks for Marine week, which
• 37:31
  is like you just like kind of sit there and just like send the
• 37:34
  squad bait, clean your weapons, jerk off.
• 37:35
  Like, I don't know. Well, not really that.
• 37:36
  But it's like, you know what I mean?
• 37:37
  Like, well, that's when I walk around, like not do, like do
• 37:39
  shit. Yeah.
• 37:41
  So, like, so I guess like the the 10th, 11th week, which is
• 37:48
  like kind of like, all right, Chris, well let's go.
• 37:51
  The reason I ask is how many people did not make it through
• 37:56
  that that had to suffer through the 1st, 10 or 11 weeks?
• 37:59
  What was the percentage of people that failed The Crucible?
• 38:06
  Well, I'm not sure in my platoon, none.
• 38:10
  Because nice like we had a good group of guys and our and our
• 38:17
  hats helped us out a lot. Not help us out in like passing
• 38:22
  us, but like help us out isn't like, I'm sorry I got to fucking
• 38:26
  cramp my leg. It's.
• 38:28
  Because you're drinking all the energy drinks, man.
• 38:29
  I'm not drinking. Walter.
• 38:31
  Yeah, that sucks drink. Some more Walter hydrates some.
• 38:33
  Water hydrates young one. I guess none.
• 38:37
  Yeah, but there's this one dude who he didn't fail.
• 38:41
  He just here's what do you call it.
• 38:47
  He got carried. He got he got put in the truck,
• 38:49
  go up the up the the the hill to go to the actual like to where
• 38:55
  we got the DGA ceremony because he got fucked up in the
• 38:58
  Crucible. Because like there'd be like
• 38:59
  this. It was like a it was like a
• 39:02
  Mcmath thing. But it's like you just like you
• 39:04
  just beat the fuck out of each other.
• 39:05
  Give you like headgear. They give you like the the groin
• 39:07
  protector, the shin card. It's not like the boxing that's
• 39:09
  like, all right go have at it and then there's like there was
• 39:12
  like beat each other up. He just gets knocked the fuck
• 39:14
  out and then he just gets like he doesn't do the Crucible.
• 39:20
  He's just there, like in the truck.
• 39:22
  They blacked him out. Knocked him out.
• 39:26
  Yeah. Oh, fuck.
• 39:30
  OK, yeah, he he gets a pass. And he got basically carried.
• 39:35
  Yeah, he got well, he got carried for the rest of the the
• 39:38
  Crucible, if you could say that he got carried here.
• 39:41
  They're just putting the truck and driven up a hill, so.
• 39:45
  So none of your platoon failed. Now.
• 39:51
  How many guys is that? We all it was like about.
• 40:02
  He's looking at a picture in 80 ladies and gentlemen.
• 40:05
  Yeah, that one. Yeah, that one.
• 40:08
  It's like 83 people. Holy Smoke about about 83
• 40:12
  people. I was just thinking that would
• 40:16
  suck to go through. All that.
• 40:17
  Time and then get booted right at the bitter end.
• 40:22
  You know that would suck. People do get dropped though for
• 40:27
  dumb reasons. Like believe it or not, they do
• 40:31
  get dropped for Yeah. So this is the platoon picture.
• 40:35
  That's awesome. I don't.
• 40:38
  Know. I don't know where I'm at
• 40:39
  exactly. Oh, sorry, I'm right there.
• 40:44
  And for those of you who are just listening, he's got a nice
• 40:47
  frame picture of his platoon that's totally cool.
• 40:51
  That shows approximately 80 some Marines that all graduated with
• 40:55
  him in his class. So there's people that just
• 40:57
  listen to this. They don't watch the video.
• 40:59
  So I got to explain a couple things here.
• 41:03
  Yeah, yeah, we're on Spotify. Side tracks, so the reason I
• 41:07
  actually found out about. No, I was just going to say
• 41:10
  we're on Spotify as a video podcast, but if anybody listens
• 41:15
  to it anywhere else other than Spotify, they don't get a video.
• 41:17
  I can't figure out how to make it go to the other places.
• 41:23
  OK, yeah, 'cause when I found out about this podcast, I was
• 41:26
  with my buddy one day and I was just like, on Spotify.
• 41:30
  I saw the Christian Mike show. That's I'm like, oh, that's
• 41:32
  cool. I was like, I don't know who
• 41:33
  this is. Like Mice is on my feed.
• 41:35
  And I clicked on it. I saw him.
• 41:36
  I was like, what the fuck? I was like, what the hell?
• 41:39
  No, no, no, no. No.
• 41:40
  Hold on. Hold.
• 41:41
  On I was like. Back up.
• 41:43
  So you actually found it on your own without him telling you that
• 41:47
  we were doing this? What were you?
• 41:51
  Really surprised. Yes.
• 41:52
  Oh my God, that makes. That story in Japan?
• 41:55
  Just chilling. I know.
• 41:57
  But you know, and OK, here's the deal, Jake.
• 42:00
  So one day I look at I'm a freak about the analytics.
• 42:06
  So I've been looking at where everybody's listening at, and
• 42:10
  I'm laying on the couch one day watching a football game or
• 42:12
  something, and I popped up the analytics page and I saw Japan
• 42:16
  pop up there. You were the first person.
• 42:19
  No, you were the second person to listen to it outside the
• 42:21
  United States. So Austria, Some guy or gal in
• 42:26
  Austria has been listening regularly for a while.
• 42:29
  And your dad and I have no idea who it is, 'cause we don't know
• 42:31
  anybody there. But then I saw Japan pop up, and
• 42:35
  I knew you were there, so I kind of assumed it was you.
• 42:39
  And he confirmed it was you. But he didn't tell me that you
• 42:42
  found it on your own. That's so cool, man.
• 42:45
  I I love it. I didn't know you found it on
• 42:47
  accident. Yeah, I I found out an accident.
• 42:52
  So Jake found out that his dad was doing a podcast while he was
• 42:55
  in the United States Marine Corps, 6000 miles away in Japan,
• 42:58
  just to bring that story full circle.
• 43:01
  That's totally cool. Yeah.
• 43:06
  So what'd you think? Be honest.
• 43:11
  I mean, I enjoyed it because it was like, no, yeah, I did.
• 43:14
  I I really, I I enjoyed the like how outgoing it was.
• 43:18
  How was it like a like you actually be yourself?
• 43:21
  It's not like one of like those censored ass podcasts where like
• 43:24
  it's a bunch of like pussy shit and you're just like, oh, we
• 43:26
  can't cursing the show. Oh my God, it's family friendly.
• 43:29
  Like it's it's one of those one of those podcasts that's like,
• 43:35
  it's just it just feels normal I guess in like this everyday
• 43:39
  world down. Because every like right now you
• 43:42
  all know what's all going on. Like a bunch of like soft ass
• 43:46
  pansies in the world right now. It's just like it's a breath of
• 43:48
  fresh air to see, like some real shit actually being talked
• 43:50
  about. And.
• 43:52
  Actually like in a non censored way.
• 43:56
  Non censored and I hope people understand that it's non
• 43:59
  judgmental as well. You know, like your dad and I
• 44:03
  have some pretty, we have some pretty, not so popular opinions
• 44:08
  about different things, you know, But it's all done coming
• 44:13
  from our heart. This is how we feel about life.
• 44:16
  You know, it's not meant to say you have to live that way or we
• 44:20
  disagree with how you're living. I appreciate everything that you
• 44:25
  said, though, man. That's totally cool.
• 44:27
  I I wanted to get it from a younger person's perspective and
• 44:31
  that's the angle that we were going at.
• 44:33
  And I also want the older people that are listening to this
• 44:36
  podcast to hear what you're saying because we're trying to
• 44:39
  target more your age to my age than we are people that are
• 44:45
  older than us. You know it.
• 44:48
  It just makes sense because that's who we can relate to.
• 44:51
  So it's important for, it's important for people who are
• 44:55
  older than me to hear your perspective that that's what
• 44:58
  kids want to hear. They want to be talked to like
• 45:00
  normal human beings. You know, not that you're a kid,
• 45:03
  you're a, you're a you're a bonafide man.
• 45:06
  You're United States Marine. But to me, you weren't even born
• 45:09
  when I was playing in a band with your dad.
• 45:11
  So it's like Jesus, that makes me feel.
• 45:15
  But thank you very much. I I'm my own worst critic.
• 45:20
  I hate everything I do and I enjoy doing this.
• 45:25
  I really do. It's one of the coolest things
• 45:27
  I've ever done. And partly because I'm doing it
• 45:29
  with your dad. A lot of people have asked me
• 45:32
  why him, You know, not because they dislike him.
• 45:35
  Just. I have a lot of friends, a lot
• 45:38
  of musicians that I played. I could do it with anybody.
• 45:40
  They asked, you know why in particular him?
• 45:44
  Because your dad and I can be at 180.
• 45:48
  We can be at odds on a subject, and we have never.
• 45:52
  We even raised our voice towards each other.
• 45:53
  We agree to disagree about a lot of things, and it's always done
• 45:57
  very respectfully. Usually it turns into humor.
• 46:00
  You know, we'll just make fun of whatever we're talking about and
• 46:02
  move on to the next subject. That's a gift.
• 46:05
  You can't do that with everybody.
• 46:07
  And as you go through life, you're going to have people that
• 46:10
  you know, they got your back like that and hang on to them
• 46:14
  because they're friends. You'll have forever.
• 46:18
  So that's why I chose him. Oh.
• 46:19
  Yeah, 100%. OK, so you finished boot camp
• 46:24
  well? I'm pretty sure he feels very
• 46:25
  special about it. He does.
• 46:28
  I do too. He Yeah, we'll get back to your
• 46:32
  story in a second. But he has probably never
• 46:36
  listened to my little 8 minute Thanksgiving podcast and he
• 46:41
  joked on one podcast that he forced me to do this and nothing
• 46:45
  could be further from the truth. He wanted to be write some music
• 46:48
  for him and my stipulation was, OK, I want you to do a podcast
• 46:53
  with me because I don't know how to do it by myself.
• 46:55
  And your dad's funny and he's provided a lot of humor for the
• 47:00
  people who are currently listening.
• 47:02
  And that's another reason I wanted to do this.
• 47:05
  My motivation was I used to listen to a guy named Art Bell,
• 47:09
  and he would be overnight from like midnight to 5:00 in the
• 47:14
  morning and he would have these crazy guests where they would
• 47:16
  talk about UFOs and military secrets and ghosts and just any
• 47:25
  outlandish subject you could think of to talk about in the
• 47:28
  middle of the night. And it was so cool.
• 47:29
  You know, I just, I got fascinated with that long form
• 47:34
  interview kind of talking to interesting people and you were
• 47:39
  the first person I thought of as an interesting person.
• 47:41
  So we will continue on. After you left boot camp, you
• 47:45
  went to North Carolina, you went to Yuma and now you're going to
• 47:48
  Japan. So what is?
• 47:50
  What's your first day in Japan like after a 29 hour flight or
• 47:55
  whatever? So when I got there, you have to
• 48:02
  do something called JRC, which is like your introduction to the
• 48:05
  island. What's?
• 48:07
  Because it's not mainland Japan like Tokyo, So the mainland,
• 48:11
  while we classify it, is like Tokyo.
• 48:13
  What's? JRC.
• 48:15
  Mean. Hiroshima.
• 48:16
  Nagasaki. Oh, JRC.
• 48:18
  I don't know what it means. It's just like it's just your.
• 48:23
  It's like the It's like the Welcome Aboard type type deal.
• 48:27
  OK. I guess.
• 48:29
  And where are you at at this point?
• 48:31
  So, so we flew into Kadena Air Force Base and then now JRC is
• 48:37
  on Camp Foster, which is like 20 minutes away.
• 48:41
  OK. So yeah, so like trying to think
• 48:51
  if we get there and it's like we just sleep that night and then
• 48:54
  the next day is like full of classes, what to do, what not to
• 48:57
  do on the island like. Give us some example.
• 49:01
  I got off like Riptide. Like when you're like, so let's
• 49:06
  say what you can't do go out in town, eat food, you know, go to
• 49:11
  bars, go to clubs, do whatever. But you can't do, go to Red
• 49:15
  light district, go to soapies. No, those are right.
• 49:19
  That's fine. Yeah, those aren't soapies.
• 49:26
  No. What is that?
• 49:27
  Yeah, they're like, oh, so soapy, right?
• 49:31
  So it's like a specific place that what I've heard is like the
• 49:37
  Yakuza own. But I'm not.
• 49:39
  I'm not. I'm not sure.
• 49:41
  I've never been to one, just clarify.
• 49:43
  Never been to one and. That's people, that Japanese
• 49:46
  mafia. Correct.
• 49:46
  You basically pay. Yeah.
• 49:50
  Well, yeah. Like the, yeah, the gangster
• 49:53
  stuff like that. So yeah, they they kind of have
• 49:59
  like, so this is just a place where like you go and you pay
• 50:04
  for like women to like, bait you.
• 50:07
  OK. But like, it's like a group
• 50:10
  setting, like everybody's butt ass naked.
• 50:13
  And then like, what it is, I guess, like these beautiful
• 50:17
  women come and you pay them to like, bathe you and then like,
• 50:20
  do other favours, if that's what you'll call it.
• 50:27
  So it's kind of like a whole prostitution is legal, but it's
• 50:32
  not. You're not supposed to do it, I
• 50:37
  guess if that's what you that's how you classify it.
• 50:41
  Military can't do it, obviously, because it's prostitution.
• 50:42
  Prostitution is illegal here, so it's legal there.
• 50:45
  It's for us. So it's not illegal, but it's.
• 50:49
  Not it's a culture thing. Yes, OK.
• 50:56
  So what else can't you do besides go to the red light
• 50:59
  district and pick up hookers? What's a huge no, no.
• 51:05
  Drugs, obviously, Because drugs, obviously, Yeah, you can't.
• 51:15
  Like there's there's like, it's a lot of like black and white.
• 51:20
  You can't do like stuff you can't do here, you can't do
• 51:22
  there. I just can't do drugs.
• 51:24
  You can't drink or drive because the alcohol policy over there is
• 51:27
  like .03. I was just like .08.
• 51:30
  I believe in the States, those .03, you can have like like a
• 51:35
  sip of like a sip of beer, even though I'm fine, You could drive
• 51:39
  home, you get put over by JP Japanese police and then they're
• 51:43
  like, like, all right, Nope, you're fucked, you're going to
• 51:45
  jail. And that's like a big another.
• 51:50
  No, no, I guess obviously here and there, but there's a lot
• 51:53
  more strict. They're really keen on like you
• 51:58
  can't park in certain places, you can't visit certain places,
• 52:05
  like even if it's like there, like if like it's on the side,
• 52:08
  it's like a Rama shop on the side.
• 52:09
  You can like go and then they'll be like they're like called the
• 52:12
  JP on you to kick you out because you're an American.
• 52:15
  So there's like certain places you can't go to the nightclubs,
• 52:18
  you can't go to bars, restaurants, because they they
• 52:26
  say there's a lot of drug affiliation or there's a lot of
• 52:28
  like the, I guess, Yakuza owned. OK, there's an exact list, but I
• 52:33
  don't have it on me readily available.
• 52:36
  No, that's fine. I appreciate you.
• 52:37
  Look it up, you'll you'll see. I was just curious if there was
• 52:40
  anything that stood out that obviously going and getting
• 52:44
  hookers and not doing drugs, that just makes sense.
• 52:46
  You're not just a member of the military, you're a Marine, for
• 52:50
  Christ's sake. So I'm sure they want you to act
• 52:53
  like it, at least for the time that you're a Marine.
• 52:55
  But knowing that all of that's available, you might want to get
• 52:58
  back to Japan someday. I know I would.
• 53:06
  So yeah, what as far as what was your first impression of the
• 53:13
  people like the Japanese people and how much encounter do you
• 53:16
  have with them on a day-to-day basis?
• 53:18
  Well. They're very nice.
• 53:22
  I would say that they're very respectful.
• 53:24
  That's what I hear a lot. They try their best to
• 53:26
  understand you. Some of them know English more
• 53:31
  than others. Some of them know broken English
• 53:34
  or not English at all. So us like knowing like the
• 53:37
  basic stuff like say excuse me, you say like like hello or like
• 53:42
  be like you do like go to a restaurant like on a daily
• 53:45
  basis. I guess my friends like we like
• 53:46
  to go out and we like to go like we like to go eat.
• 53:49
  So like if it's like a place where they don't like speak
• 53:51
  English, you just kind of get a menu and you point out what you
• 53:53
  want and you'd be like like 2 because like they understand
• 53:57
  like obviously numbers and shit. So like we say you want like one
• 54:01
  like one through 5 or you want like 6.
• 54:03
  You do this like 78910 like. That's all.
• 54:08
  It's. So you're basically.
• 54:11
  Yeah, it's not difficult. Yeah.
• 54:16
  And pointing. OK.
• 54:18
  You just point it and she like, I want that and like, OK.
• 54:23
  That's awesome. So I mean, it's easy.
• 54:27
  So you pretty you're you're encountering every day like when
• 54:31
  you go out to eat and all that kind of shit.
• 54:36
  Yeah. And they also work at the The
• 54:38
  Exchange on base like the like our military or grocery store.
• 54:42
  We're at our commissary. They're there in the Barber
• 54:46
  shops like every weekend we have to go get a haircut before work
• 54:49
  and they're cutting our hair. So it's like we interact with
• 54:53
  them quite frequently. And the people that I know that
• 54:58
  have been there, and the podcast that I've listened to with not
• 55:03
  only Japanese people but people who have been to Japan, they all
• 55:07
  said the same thing you did. That's why I didn't want to
• 55:09
  poison the well and I wanted your opinion first.
• 55:12
  The first thing that people say every time is that they are very
• 55:17
  nice people. Like they go out of their way to
• 55:19
  be nice. Almost like, you know, robotic
• 55:23
  kind of. Yeah, and a little bit it's.
• 55:28
  Just that it's. Kind of nice coming from America
• 55:31
  and like, right? Yeah, because they're very like,
• 55:34
  it's a very respectful culture. So it's like if they don't, if
• 55:38
  they aren't respectful or they do some like outlandish stuff, I
• 55:43
  guess he wouldn't see like an American here go out of the way
• 55:47
  to be like overly nice to somebody, unless it's like their
• 55:51
  job, like depended on it, but like they do it just out of like
• 55:54
  courtesy for how they were raised.
• 55:56
  Correct. So yeah, especially to
• 56:00
  Americans, because you know, 1945 type shit, so you know.
• 56:05
  Right. That's a lot of forgiveness
• 56:07
  right there. Right.
• 56:10
  Yeah. So OK, you're there.
• 56:16
  When did you start doing your leg and how did this happen and?
• 56:22
  This. Yeah, show everybody your leg
• 56:25
  first, since we're so make sure we get a good shot of it because
• 56:30
  everybody wants to see the whole thing.
• 56:34
  I'm trying to like. Yeah, do whatever you got to do
• 56:38
  there, man, to get a good shot of it.
• 56:42
  Let me put my glasses on so I can see it too.
• 56:44
  So how do you hear me? But it's like it goes all the
• 56:46
  way up here. Can you put that light down,
• 56:51
  Sir? Or if?
• 56:52
  Like, yeah so shit. So, so it's here just all the
• 56:58
  way up here and then it's like almost inside goes up the back
• 57:05
  and there's like all these different little designs and.
• 57:12
  So this is all one piece correct technically.
• 57:15
  Maybe put? That thing back up because it's
• 57:17
  the lighting color. We're done.
• 57:19
  This is all one piece that. Better so.
• 57:24
  Yeah, it's a dragon. Yeah.
• 57:25
  Holy shit, man. That's all one big ass tattoo.
• 57:34
  First off, it's. Fucking dad.
• 57:36
  Send you a video. First off, it's fucking
• 57:39
  beautiful. It just that's why.
• 57:44
  That's why I wanted to make sure we got a good shot of it,
• 57:46
  because it is fucking beautiful, that is.
• 57:51
  That is talent in tattooing, like Eddie Van Halen playing a
• 57:56
  guitar. I mean, it's just to me, it's
• 57:58
  that level of just a little bit. I saw it in the picture when you
• 58:03
  met your dad at the airport, I was like, holy shit man, It's
• 58:08
  just and that wasn't even that great a picture.
• 58:10
  But when I blew it up, I was like, the detail is just
• 58:13
  incredible. So walk me through how this all
• 58:17
  came down, What made you want to do it?
• 58:20
  Who did it? Just lay it out where you
• 58:23
  started and how long all this process took.
• 58:25
  Just fucking amazing. OK, I still started out.
• 58:32
  I was on deployment, right, We're on our we're on the way to
• 58:35
  Australia and there's a corpsman, maybe Corman.
• 58:39
  He is in the same building as me, in the same little space
• 58:41
  with our bunks. And he has a, like, a, like
• 58:44
  tattoo. I was like, I've always wanted
• 58:46
  one that looks sick, like, where'd you do it?
• 58:49
  He's like, oh, it's a guy named Bushy.
• 58:50
  He has his own little private studio over in American Village,
• 58:54
  which is like a, like, the middle of the, I guess, like,
• 58:57
  the middle portion of the island.
• 58:58
  So I was like, that's like, that's great.
• 59:00
  Like, like, I really want one. Like, you just, like, give me
• 59:03
  his Instagram. Whatever.
• 59:04
  So deployment ends. We come back to Okinawa.
• 59:08
  And I asked him like, hey, like, what's what's his Instagram?
• 59:11
  So I can actually, like, I actually like, text him.
• 59:13
  So I text him whenever he responds.
• 59:16
  Set up a consultation that next day, That Monday we start.
• 59:19
  It was September, it was September 11th and I immediately
• 59:23
  just started doing the outline of the tattoo and it was a it
• 59:29
  was a really, really, really big step because I was like, holy
• 59:32
  shit, like this is. Crazy you drew this like.
• 59:38
  Like I sit on a box for an hour and a half, you got a sharpie
• 59:42
  and you just start drawing it so it's all freehand.
• 59:45
  OK, I'm with you. Every single these here is hand
• 59:48
  drawn. Damn.
• 59:48
  It explain how it's the. Actual traditional.
• 59:52
  Way I'm getting there. He's getting there, yeah.
• 59:54
  Relax everyone. And yeah, so, yeah, so, so the
• 59:59
  color. So the color is all like right
• 1:00:02
  here. It's all the traditional
• 1:00:04
  Japanese like stick and poke. It's called Tabori.
• 1:00:07
  All right. So all this color up here and
• 1:00:10
  then like. So the red, the green.
• 1:00:15
  The the red, the green, the yellow and the spikes still
• 1:00:19
  fitting the white. Like like up here, like the
• 1:00:22
  mouth, like the horns. The As far as like all of this,
• 1:00:28
  this all traditional like the Japanese stick and poke.
• 1:00:33
  Damn it. Just got poked with the needle
• 1:00:36
  for four hours at a time. OK, so explain how that works,
• 1:00:42
  because I have no idea. That's one thing I've never even
• 1:00:45
  seen heard of until your dad told me that's how it was done.
• 1:00:48
  So explain what the ancient art of tattooing is over there.
• 1:00:53
  Like how is it done? Yeah, so so it's called Tabori,
• 1:00:58
  which I don't really know. It's his English, right?
• 1:01:01
  But it's just the whole idea of it is to have long lasting color
• 1:01:07
  in your tattoos because obviously black is going to stay
• 1:01:09
  the longest like this is all black these are I'll get into
• 1:01:12
  these later but these are all black like my chest is done like
• 1:01:16
  black is a very like, it's just it's just there right.
• 1:01:19
  So obviously like at times it'll fade, but the this color is the
• 1:01:26
  needle goes in, like only goes in so much when you do like the
• 1:01:30
  shading. But with this, it's like the
• 1:01:32
  putting it like in like in your skin, like it's like just like a
• 1:01:37
  wooden stick with a bunch of needles and just like like going
• 1:01:41
  in and it's like it's crazy because it it wouldn't like so
• 1:01:47
  deep that my body reacted to it like it's like an open cut.
• 1:01:50
  So it started scabbing over. OK, so for people who are
• 1:01:54
  regularly. Push on the excess ink out.
• 1:01:57
  For people who are regularly tattooed, how much further do
• 1:02:00
  those needles go in than somebody who's just used to
• 1:02:03
  getting tattoos? It's I'd say like twice as deep
• 1:02:11
  as three times as deep because it's a little needle.
• 1:02:13
  I can't really put into perspective of how like the
• 1:02:16
  tabori is, but like the the gun is more like surface level.
• 1:02:21
  This one looks like you could. I can feel it go in like go
• 1:02:26
  through my skin. You can hear it.
• 1:02:28
  There's a video. He'll probably say it to you
• 1:02:30
  later. But you can hear just like like
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  it's it just just it's not a it's not a good sound.
• 1:02:38
  It's not a good feeling. It looks great.
• 1:02:40
  I mean, you know. It looks amazing and I guess
• 1:02:44
  that's why I wanted you to explain it, because that's why
• 1:02:47
  your color looks so amazing. Somebody else is never going to
• 1:02:51
  get that level of color, so don't even try, is what I'm
• 1:02:55
  getting at. That's why that looks so badass.
• 1:02:57
  Because the way they've done for 1000 years, probably 10,000
• 1:03:02
  years, who the fuck knows? Yeah, probably a very, very long
• 1:03:07
  time. Cuz.
• 1:03:09
  So typically they they would do to boy for the entire thing, but
• 1:03:13
  he only did it for the colour. Which I'm sure you were very
• 1:03:17
  happy about. So how many hours of that
• 1:03:20
  process did you have versus regular tattooing?
• 1:03:28
  So I would say that the color was more of it was like the last
• 1:03:32
  like maybe three or four sessions since he was like 12
• 1:03:36
  hours doing color and the rest was like just doing like the
• 1:03:39
  outline and the shading, because we did shading like different
• 1:03:42
  parts at a time. Total for everything, it was 36
• 1:03:46
  hours. It was 9 sessions, four hours
• 1:03:49
  each, you know, But like, I don't know, man, it's just kind
• 1:03:57
  of, it's just kind of there. Like I just like did like all
• 1:04:00
  the sessions. I don't recall like the
• 1:04:04
  different little time frames of each thing.
• 1:04:07
  It's just that it just took a very long time and was very
• 1:04:11
  intricate. Was there ever a time when you
• 1:04:13
  go for it? Was there ever a time when you
• 1:04:16
  said enough, like you had to just tap out or?
• 1:04:25
  Not during the session, but when I would get back to my to my
• 1:04:27
  bearish room and I would like I'd have to take a shower.
• 1:04:30
  It would just like I should be like motherfucker, like what the
• 1:04:33
  fuck like why am I doing this? Like there was a point where
• 1:04:40
  see, I'll get so this part in the back, like right here
• 1:04:44
  because the spikes go directly in the back to go over this part
• 1:04:46
  of the back of my knee, which. That part.
• 1:04:52
  Fuck, I want to show you. I just want to try to show this
• 1:04:57
  part right here. So this at one point was rubbed
• 1:05:03
  so raw that like I was in like the most pain and like at that
• 1:05:08
  time I had to do a little field event for an entire day.
• 1:05:11
  Oh no. For Sergeant school, because
• 1:05:13
  it's like a AP, me had to do so. I had to like get the little
• 1:05:16
  second skin. Shit like the Sandoderm they did
• 1:05:20
  put on the back and I was like walking with like a limp, like
• 1:05:23
  the whole the whole time I was in that little field event.
• 1:05:27
  Oh, that sucks, man. I look stupid walking, yeah, and
• 1:05:33
  thankfully it didn't ruin the tattoo.
• 1:05:35
  It didn't scab over like as much as I thought it would.
• 1:05:39
  Oh no, it's beautiful. 'Cause you didn't ruin it?
• 1:05:43
  Yeah, that was like the, I guess, like the hardest thing I
• 1:05:48
  guess about it. It was like my pants like rub a
• 1:05:50
  lot of work. So it some parts scabbed over,
• 1:05:53
  but it's it's all good now. Like this part was completely
• 1:05:55
  scabbed over at one point, but it's good.
• 1:05:57
  I got your dad's perspective on it and obviously he's your dad.
• 1:06:02
  He's totally cool. So it was a totally cool
• 1:06:04
  perspective. What was your mom's perspective?
• 1:06:07
  Yeah, she said. Holy fuck like I sent her.
• 1:06:14
  It was like 2 days before I came and I was like, I was like, hey
• 1:06:20
  dad, I got tattoo. He's like, OK.
• 1:06:22
  I was like, I wanna see what it is.
• 1:06:24
  He's like whatever man. And I said that to him, he's
• 1:06:26
  like wow, epic. I was like, all right and.
• 1:06:30
  Then, like I said, my mom, it's totally cool.
• 1:06:32
  Because you think it's cool. Yeah.
• 1:06:35
  And obviously, like, he has tattoos.
• 1:06:39
  Like, my sister has tattoos, I have tattoos, my mom has
• 1:06:42
  tattoos. So it's like, obviously to I
• 1:06:45
  have the, I have the most in the entire family.
• 1:06:47
  I have the most like, probably the most random shit to like
• 1:06:49
  like anywhere. And then there's a time where I
• 1:06:53
  got this one, there's before I got this and these two right
• 1:06:55
  here she was like, all right that's enough tattoos.
• 1:06:58
  You just slow down a bit. I was like, OK, she was telling
• 1:07:00
  me that while I was in my appointment, getting this one.
• 1:07:02
  So you know. Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:07:09
  Yeah, I'm slowing down. Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  I promise I'll be done at least with one leg, OK?
• 1:07:16
  Yeah, I'm done, Ma. Nah, I have to get.
• 1:07:19
  I have to get these two right here.
• 1:07:20
  I have to get two more. I have to finish this one and
• 1:07:24
  then I have to get another one or something like that.
• 1:07:28
  You're not going to do your whole other leg, are you?
• 1:07:30
  Who knows what I'll do? Absolutely not.
• 1:07:33
  No, I'll not do that again. There's no way.
• 1:07:38
  So what do you got started on your arm?
• 1:07:41
  You got like 1/2 sleeve going there.
• 1:07:45
  Yeah, so before my first appointment, I wanted to get
• 1:07:50
  like, like a like an arm tattoo because I thought it'd be
• 1:07:51
  actually, like, really cool. So it's just, it's all design.
• 1:07:56
  And I like the I like the way the roses looked because I like,
• 1:07:59
  I like realism. I get to this one, I get to this
• 1:08:01
  one a little bit. But I like, I like realism.
• 1:08:03
  Yes. So I got my grandfather's
• 1:08:06
  birthday, my dad's birthday and my mom's birthday right here.
• 1:08:09
  And then I got my sister's birthday, my oldest nephew,
• 1:08:12
  Anthony, this is birthday. And then I need to get trip his
• 1:08:17
  birthday done. But it was before he was born.
• 1:08:21
  That's why I left the spot empty.
• 1:08:22
  That's awesome. And I need to figure out when
• 1:08:24
  I'm gonna get it because at the time before he was born, I was
• 1:08:27
  like, I need to get this done before my second deployment.
• 1:08:29
  My sister's like, oh, he's born on this day.
• 1:08:32
  He's going to, he's going to come this day.
• 1:08:33
  I was like, I didn't want to do that because I don't want to get
• 1:08:35
  his birthday wrong if that were like the case, you know?
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, that would suck. Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  But it was cool. So like these, the the roses are
• 1:08:49
  all stencil, but the leaves and like the the thorns, like the
• 1:08:52
  vines, they're all they're all freehand.
• 1:08:54
  That's really cool. So it was a pretty good touch
• 1:08:59
  of, like, what he did. And this is the same guy that
• 1:09:02
  did your leg. So no different guy.
• 1:09:07
  Different guy, OK. I got in Japan.
• 1:09:10
  In Japan I got 1/2 wait, 123-4567.
• 1:09:16
  I got 8 tattoos in Japan by a whole bunch of different people.
• 1:09:20
  I just didn't have like an actual guy I was going to.
• 1:09:22
  It's kind of like who was there? Who's available, who can do a
• 1:09:25
  walk in, who's the cheapest? So kind of just wait and who
• 1:09:36
  could who could do the tattoos? Like right then and there.
• 1:09:38
  This one was obviously probably with one guy who did this one,
• 1:09:41
  which I'll get into that in a second.
• 1:09:44
  He it's like maybe 4 sessions so.
• 1:09:49
  So. Something like that I'm.
• 1:09:50
  Going to ask you two different questions because one of them
• 1:09:53
  you don't have to answer. The first one obviously is what
• 1:09:56
  everybody's going to ask what did your whole leg cost?
• 1:10:01
  And if you don't want to say, don't say.
• 1:10:03
  The second question is, would it have been cheaper here or is it
• 1:10:08
  cheaper in Japan? You can answer both or either I
• 1:10:11
  don't care or neither. It's up to you.
• 1:10:14
  OK, I'll go to, I'll go to the second one.
• 1:10:17
  I'll answer the second one. So the thing with tattoos over
• 1:10:21
  there, sometimes they ask you to pull out yen, which is way
• 1:10:24
  cheaper than the American dollar.
• 1:10:25
  Yen is like 65 or $0.67 right now to the American dollar.
• 1:10:30
  OK. So all the other ones were like
• 1:10:34
  50,000 yen, ¥20,000 like these two.
• 1:10:37
  I like, like I have these two. These were like, Oh yeah, these
• 1:10:42
  two and then this one and then this one right here was like
• 1:10:48
  super cheap because there's a yen.
• 1:10:49
  So like they said, oh, it's like ¥7000, which is like I guess
• 1:10:54
  like $70.00 people would assume, but it's like more like 40.
• 1:10:58
  So that was like the cheapest ones I guess.
• 1:11:00
  So this is the most most expensive one and it's like 2
• 1:11:06
  grand I would say. It's not as bad as I thought.
• 1:11:09
  About two grand. I thought it would have been
• 1:11:10
  more, yeah. Like people would people like,
• 1:11:15
  assume It's like, oh, that's so expensive.
• 1:11:17
  You spent all your money. I was like, no, I had
• 1:11:19
  appointments spaced out. I did around paydays.
• 1:11:22
  I was smart with it. Like, I got it done quickly
• 1:11:26
  because I'm going to do when I came home, I didn't want to
• 1:11:28
  like, come with an unfinished fucking tattoo because this is
• 1:11:30
  like the last thing I did and I want this to be like white.
• 1:11:32
  When I came here, it would look stupid.
• 1:11:34
  So I want to get it done as fast as I could.
• 1:11:37
  Yeah, so. And I guess part of my question
• 1:11:39
  is not really a valid question because you could not have
• 1:11:43
  gotten that done here in the United States because you had
• 1:11:46
  that special Japanese tattooing done.
• 1:11:53
  Yeah, there's some people that do like traditional stuff here,
• 1:11:55
  but it's not traditional. No, not at all.
• 1:11:59
  It's not traditional. Is he feeling left out?
• 1:12:12
  Yeah, kind of. So at what point did you get, at
• 1:12:18
  what point did you get promoted to your current rank?
• 1:12:22
  Because you're now a Sergeant, correct?
• 1:12:24
  I was on deployment. Yeah, I was on deployment.
• 1:12:27
  It was June 1st. Technically it was like July
• 1:12:31
  10th because they didn't pin me, but I was a Sergeant in the
• 1:12:34
  system as of June 1st. I was getting paid as a surgeon
• 1:12:36
  for like a month and a half before I was actually pinned on
• 1:12:39
  the rank. Explained pinned on.
• 1:12:45
  Pinned on, you just get promoted, they take your your
• 1:12:48
  current rank off and they put on your new rank.
• 1:12:51
  So I was a corporal, they went up.
• 1:12:53
  I said once a pinned, you know, I said oh so and so came up and
• 1:12:57
  then they say oh like good job, like good shit, whatever.
• 1:12:59
  And they just take your thing off and they put it on and then
• 1:13:04
  you just kind of just call it a day.
• 1:13:06
  Do they? Do they do that in front of
• 1:13:09
  everybody? Yeah, it's a whole formation.
• 1:13:14
  That's cool. You have like either the
• 1:13:16
  Sergeant major in the CEO, they come up like the rain to be
• 1:13:20
  promoted in center. Do you think March, you go March
• 1:13:23
  up and then if you're wearing a cover which when you're
• 1:13:27
  underway, which underway means like you're currently sailing,
• 1:13:30
  you don't wear like cover. Kids could fall off and get
• 1:13:32
  caught in the the propellers, like in the bottom of the ship
• 1:13:35
  or like some mechanical stuff because everything is like
• 1:13:38
  everything's got a purpose. So if it gets caught in
• 1:13:40
  something, I think it's not going to work.
• 1:13:42
  So typically you would you would go up.
• 1:13:45
  You would salute them like warnings or whatever.
• 1:13:48
  And then you go down. They would read your.
• 1:13:50
  They would read the little promotion warrant and they'd be
• 1:13:53
  like, she just presents greetings know ye special trust,
• 1:13:55
  fidelity and the confidence and abilities of Jacob D Dunham.
• 1:13:58
  I do appoint this Marina Sergeant at the United States
• 1:14:00
  Marine Corps all that, all that stuff.
• 1:14:03
  And then after they read that they close it want to pin you so
• 1:14:07
  and so they come up salute say hey, what's up, man and then not
• 1:14:12
  really like good morning, Sir. And then they pin you on, give
• 1:14:15
  you some words of encouragement, and then they'll let you go on
• 1:14:18
  your merry way after that. So you said something very
• 1:14:22
  interesting that probably caught a lot of people's ear that
• 1:14:24
  caught mine, that I know the answer to this question, but you
• 1:14:28
  talk like you're in the Marines, but you're on a ship and you're
• 1:14:32
  hanging out with the Navy. So explain why you're on a ship
• 1:14:35
  and why you're hanging out with the Navy.
• 1:14:39
  So we're on, we're on the ship, we're on the USS New Orleans,
• 1:14:43
  we're on a patrol 23.2 to patrol around Australia and kind of
• 1:14:50
  like patrol around to see if there's any, like, real world
• 1:14:54
  conflicts that's going to go on. So there's some shit I can't
• 1:14:58
  say. There's some shit that I can't
• 1:15:00
  say because stuff. Is.
• 1:15:02
  Gone down, obviously, that we can't.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. So some stuff I can't say was
• 1:15:10
  that people have already know there's a real world event in
• 1:15:13
  Papua New Guinea. There's civil war all
• 1:15:16
  interrupted, so we had to go directly support that.
• 1:15:18
  We had to fucking go over there and like stay on the outskirt,
• 1:15:21
  make sure there's nobody like like China or some shit like
• 1:15:24
  come up. I see there we were in
• 1:15:27
  international waters. We're over by the popular We
• 1:15:30
  were going down. We didn't go to East China Sea
• 1:15:34
  because we had to go down, down, downwards from it went to the
• 1:15:37
  Philippine Sea. We're just kind of like sitting
• 1:15:39
  there, there's like a bunch of Chinese cargo ships.
• 1:15:43
  There's a lot of like Chinese trying to like, get into our,
• 1:15:48
  like, hack our phones and shit, 'cause people, somebody's done
• 1:15:50
  that. There's a story where this dude
• 1:15:54
  connected to a Chinese ship, which was like, they're trying
• 1:15:57
  to like they put up a fake telephone, like like a cell
• 1:16:01
  tower, and he connected to it and they stole all his money.
• 1:16:04
  Damn. So it's like, that's crazy.
• 1:16:07
  There's like people out there, but you have to keep your phone
• 1:16:09
  on airplane mode and keep the Bluetooth off while you're
• 1:16:12
  outside, which is actually like, it's insane because they do that
• 1:16:18
  shit and people don't. People don't like, understand
• 1:16:20
  that like how they're like technological like capabilities
• 1:16:23
  that they do to like get into your stuff and take it.
• 1:16:27
  So. That's why.
• 1:16:29
  With that natural disaster going on on the island, you guys are
• 1:16:33
  basically just making sure that nobody comes in and takes
• 1:16:36
  advantage of people in their time of need, yeah?
• 1:16:41
  Make sure nobody comes and fucks with them.
• 1:16:42
  So like absolutely while while we're out there supporting.
• 1:16:48
  So it's like we had one ship go we had to drop off people and
• 1:16:52
  they went around and they came. They circled back around while
• 1:16:55
  we were on the outskirts just trying to make sure it seems
• 1:16:58
  like it's like I guess multiple walls.
• 1:17:00
  We had three ships. It was like what going this way,
• 1:17:02
  one go this way, one coming back this way just to make sure
• 1:17:04
  there's like nothing like in between.
• 1:17:07
  So it was like a full, I guess, like security detail to make
• 1:17:09
  sure that nobody like sneaks up, I guess kind of like make sure
• 1:17:16
  and make sure everything's good. And you guys, are you guys are
• 1:17:20
  deployed with the Navy as part of their infantry or you are
• 1:17:25
  their infantry or how does that work?
• 1:17:29
  You know, the Marine Corps always travels with the.
• 1:17:31
  Navy, so the Marine Corps. So obviously they have people
• 1:17:37
  who do like combat related jobs, but they also have units from
• 1:17:46
  stateside deployed to Japan to go on the ships.
• 1:17:49
  It's OK. There are real real world events
• 1:17:52
  or if they have to like basically get boots on the
• 1:17:58
  ground, which it's hardly the case nowadays, they yeah, they
• 1:18:05
  just go on the ship. Obviously there's like people
• 1:18:06
  who do like the C Rams, there's like the big like super like
• 1:18:09
  huge ass, like like the turrets that shoot like 1000 rounds a
• 1:18:13
  second or something like that or some crazy shit like that.
• 1:18:17
  Now, how big is the ship? There's.
• 1:18:19
  A lot of like, I guess like security forces.
• 1:18:26
  Like what it was, What class ship is it?
• 1:18:28
  A lot of air. It was LPD 18.
• 1:18:32
  It was more like a I'm look that up real quick.
• 1:18:36
  So I don't know what LPD actually is.
• 1:18:39
  LPD. Is it one of these shelters?
• 1:18:42
  Was a. No, go ahead.
• 1:18:48
  Who's this? Who's that?
• 1:18:51
  There's a amphibious landing ship.
• 1:18:54
  OK. All right.
• 1:18:56
  It's kind of hard to see I. No, I I saw it.
• 1:18:58
  Yeah, you got it all there. Good.
• 1:19:00
  It's very, yeah. It's very hard to like.
• 1:19:03
  The perspective is kind of very hard to like describe, but it
• 1:19:05
  was. Like an it's not an exam.
• 1:19:07
  There was 2 aircraft, so it's huge, but like it's not like
• 1:19:12
  aircraft carrier huge. That's what I would, yeah.
• 1:19:14
  OK. That's what I was saying.
• 1:19:16
  Yeah. It's a even think of like ships
• 1:19:19
  like Navy ships. Like, oh, aircraft carriers and
• 1:19:20
  destroyers, but there's like, yeah, there's like like like
• 1:19:24
  1000 people living on it. Right.
• 1:19:26
  That's one of the different levels of, like how many people
• 1:19:28
  are captured. There's like hundreds of trucks
• 1:19:32
  close to 1000. I'm not sure like how much
• 1:19:34
  there's like the Navy crew. There's the Marines.
• 1:19:39
  We actually had Germans and Japanese live on the ship with
• 1:19:41
  us too, so. That gives people a good idea.
• 1:19:44
  That's why we. Play every night, stuff like
• 1:19:50
  that. All the howitzers, all the
• 1:19:51
  trucks, all the trailers, all the weapons that we had, like
• 1:19:59
  it's a it's pretty, it's pretty damn big ship.
• 1:20:02
  I just hear guys say, you know, I was on a ship for a month and
• 1:20:05
  I never, you know, you know, you don't see but the people that
• 1:20:08
  you work with every day. And it's hard to believe that
• 1:20:11
  you're on a boat and you don't run across everyone, but it's
• 1:20:15
  hard to believe how big these boats are.
• 1:20:17
  I guess that's what I'm getting at.
• 1:20:21
  You can get very you can go very lost very easily.
• 1:20:24
  You don't know your way around the ship.
• 1:20:27
  If you know the basic stuff, you can know where the gyms are in
• 1:20:31
  the mess deck and the flight deck you're good, And where you
• 1:20:33
  sleep, you're good. So you don't ever get like
• 1:20:38
  nobody ever gets seasick on a boat that big, do they?
• 1:20:43
  Oh, they do. They do.
• 1:20:45
  Trust me they do like I was second appointment.
• 1:20:47
  Yeah we're some guy was on his first appointment.
• 1:20:49
  I was on his second one because I'm already used to it.
• 1:20:53
  He was coming back in the he's a chick.
• 1:20:54
  He was like a mess deck worker mess hall, the chow hall.
• 1:20:57
  So he was coming in and we're just like, we're all shooting
• 1:21:01
  the shit. It's like 9:00, and we're just
• 1:21:02
  like, we can't sleep, 'cause we're like, it's like rocking
• 1:21:04
  really hard right now. But like, we're good cause been
• 1:21:07
  there, done that. And he just throws up
• 1:21:12
  everywhere, all over the floor, and we're and we're just like,
• 1:21:17
  'cause he was one of the PBS. She's like, hey, Clet, just get
• 1:21:19
  in the fucking bathroom. We're just like, just like, tell
• 1:21:23
  him. Just like, go throw open a
• 1:21:24
  toilet. I asked that question because
• 1:21:30
  that would be me. I went deep sea fishing with my
• 1:21:32
  dad exactly one time and he has sympathy on me because we did
• 1:21:38
  get stuck at the back of the boat and it was like 90° and
• 1:21:41
  100% humidity and there was no air movement and the diesel
• 1:21:45
  fumes to this day, dude, I cannot stomach diesel fumes
• 1:21:48
  because of that day. But I got super seasick and
• 1:21:52
  being that far out in the ocean and, you know, it was terrible.
• 1:21:56
  So I didn't know if you would get seasick on a boat that big
• 1:21:58
  or not. I would be that guy.
• 1:22:02
  Yeah, it's pretty. Yeah, it's it's pretty.
• 1:22:06
  It's pretty common People do if you're not used to it, but if
• 1:22:08
  you that knows a lot of people that's like their 5th or 6th
• 1:22:11
  like deployment. So they're very used to the way
• 1:22:15
  the whole the ship operates and it how it works.
• 1:22:18
  Yeah. So like now you would go out
• 1:22:20
  there? Dramamine or something like
• 1:22:22
  that. Dramamine.
• 1:22:25
  Oh yeah, I'd be. I'd be 100%, yeah.
• 1:22:28
  That stuff like though, you take in, you know, get seasick as
• 1:22:32
  easily. Yeah.
• 1:22:35
  I think if I want another one, I'd be fine.
• 1:22:37
  But I'm very good of not going on another one.
• 1:22:39
  I do not want to go on a ship ever again.
• 1:22:42
  So. Fuck that.
• 1:22:45
  So what is? What's the future hold for you?
• 1:22:47
  You're home for how long? And then you go back to Japan.
• 1:22:53
  Yeah, so I'm home for another, I think 2 1/2 weeks go home.
• 1:22:57
  I go back, fly out January 11th, go back to Japan for 2 1/2
• 1:23:04
  months. And then I mentioned earlier
• 1:23:07
  about the drill instructors, I'm going to go to drill instructor
• 1:23:09
  school in April 10th, so I can become one of them and go with
• 1:23:15
  the recruits and stuff like that.
• 1:23:17
  So that's like my next my next little thing in life that I'm
• 1:23:21
  doing and. You're going to, you're going to
• 1:23:23
  remember, because all the drill instructors that had sympathy on
• 1:23:27
  you and you're going to have sympathy on those poor new
• 1:23:30
  Marines that are coming in, right?
• 1:23:32
  You're going to be nice drill instructor, Jake.
• 1:23:36
  Absolutely not. That's not right.
• 1:23:39
  They're all dying. I guarantee that they will all
• 1:23:42
  die. I like that answer.
• 1:23:45
  I believe you 100% too. I know your dad, Yeah.
• 1:23:53
  One thing for certain, when he says he's going to do something,
• 1:23:55
  he does it. Oh yeah, Like can't tell him
• 1:24:04
  otherwise. Like he's if he's like, I'm
• 1:24:06
  going to go yada yada like that's really random.
• 1:24:09
  He just goes and does it. So I was going to already.
• 1:24:12
  Get my little spontaneous. Yes, that's another reason I
• 1:24:17
  wanted to do this with him, because a lot of people will
• 1:24:21
  tell you they're going to do something and then you wait,
• 1:24:24
  like patience on a monument. When he tells you he's going to
• 1:24:27
  do something about a day, a minute, an hour, whatever, your
• 1:24:34
  phone will blow up and it'll be like, hey dude, I did this, this
• 1:24:36
  and this, and here's when we start.
• 1:24:38
  That's kind of how this all started.
• 1:24:40
  So it's one thing to say you're going to do.
• 1:24:45
  It it's another thing. To go do it, you know, So that's
• 1:24:49
  another reason you're here. You didn't just say you were
• 1:24:51
  going to be a Marine. You went and did it, and you
• 1:24:53
  just told your whole story from beginning to end.
• 1:24:56
  And I totally appreciate it. Dude, I'm.
• 1:24:58
  I'm honored that you would come on here and do it.
• 1:25:01
  I know that seems crazy, but I admire anybody that has done
• 1:25:05
  something that I've never done and I find it fascinating, so I
• 1:25:11
  appreciate you. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course.
• 1:25:16
  He asked me last week. He was like, do you want to do
• 1:25:18
  this? Because I thought, I thought my
• 1:25:18
  dad was saying he didn't want to get tattoos.
• 1:25:20
  And I was like, I was like, sure.
• 1:25:23
  I was like, OK, I didn't read it, but it said you want to.
• 1:25:26
  It said you want to go with me to go get tattoos.
• 1:25:28
  And I was like, OK, that's fine, Cool.
• 1:25:31
  And he starts saying, like, not yes or no.
• 1:25:34
  So we read it. It's like, do you want to go on
• 1:25:35
  a podcast with me talking about your tattoos?
• 1:25:38
  And I was like, oh shit, yeah, like, sure, like that's fine.
• 1:25:42
  And as it comes down so. That's awesome, man.
• 1:25:46
  Here we are. So what are some of the other
• 1:25:49
  ones that you have? Like you told me, you're going
• 1:25:51
  to What are some of the other tattoos that you have that have
• 1:25:55
  meaning to you? So I guess they all do in a way.
• 1:26:01
  I got this one. This is the this is the first
• 1:26:04
  one I got in Japan. I just thought it looked cool.
• 1:26:07
  There's a it's called like a Laurel wreath or something.
• 1:26:10
  It's like some Greek shit. It does look.
• 1:26:11
  Yeah, it looks. Very cool.
• 1:26:14
  Looks like a slot machine I play.
• 1:26:15
  Yeah, this is this. This is on the back of John
• 1:26:24
  Wick's back. This on John.
• 1:26:27
  Yeah, John Wick's back In the movie, Fortune favors the the
• 1:26:30
  Bold or Brave or something like that.
• 1:26:32
  Yeah, this one I want to get on my back, but I have like my
• 1:26:36
  entire back. But I have one right here of a
• 1:26:40
  Lily. It's for my mom.
• 1:26:42
  That's her flower. So that was the 2nd tattoo I
• 1:26:45
  actually got. So I thought it was.
• 1:26:48
  I thought it was pretty cool. So I was, I was going through
• 1:26:50
  like some shit in like early 2021 and I was just like, I need
• 1:26:53
  to get something. And I mean, what else to do?
• 1:26:58
  And then get something for my for my mom.
• 1:26:59
  So this one right here. This one's for my dad.
• 1:27:02
  This one. Yeah, that this, this is for my
• 1:27:09
  dad. It's, it's an Italian.
• 1:27:12
  It says on the master, my fate. I'm the captain of my soul.
• 1:27:15
  It's a thing he had a recite when he did like this.
• 1:27:18
  Dad, that's awesome. God, come here.
• 1:27:24
  That's awesome. What was that one thing for you
• 1:27:31
  to like either recite that VICTUS thing?
• 1:27:35
  Wake up, warrior. Yeah, that thing he was saying,
• 1:27:38
  he had to recite this. He had to recite this.
• 1:27:42
  So like the I got the ending and I thought it was actually really
• 1:27:44
  cool. So I was like, oh, I just was
• 1:27:45
  good as a fucking tattoo. Very.
• 1:27:47
  Cool. I thought it like, that was
• 1:27:49
  pretty cool. Yeah, that thing.
• 1:27:52
  And I got this one. This is my 3rd tattoo I got.
• 1:27:55
  It spreads up my entire shoulder, so it's just a line.
• 1:28:00
  That's awesome. Yeah, the detail.
• 1:28:04
  Amazing. Yeah, the detail in that is
• 1:28:05
  amazing, dude. The whole Yeah, it is.
• 1:28:11
  So how old were you when you got your first tattoo?
• 1:28:17
  Sorry, I was 19. OK, so you you wait until you
• 1:28:22
  were illegal. Yeah, it was 123.
• 1:28:25
  Yeah. Well, I was planning to get
• 1:28:28
  tattoos for like a while. And then like, I was like, oh, I
• 1:28:32
  want a tattoo. Like, that'd be cool.
• 1:28:33
  And so I drove down to the Valley Gate, 'cause I was in
• 1:28:37
  Yuma, and then I drove down. And then my dad set up an
• 1:28:40
  appointment for me to get my tattoo.
• 1:28:43
  That's his word right there, yeah.
• 1:28:46
  But I have one. Yeah, I have one right here.
• 1:28:48
  It's an umbrella. So it's funny.
• 1:28:51
  People like, I need a fucking umbrella.
• 1:28:52
  And it's like, it's like an umbrella with, like, yeah, with
• 1:28:57
  like a raindrops in it. So I was in Osaka, right?
• 1:29:01
  That's in mainland Japan. Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  So we're in Osaka and it's like, it's raining.
• 1:29:07
  It's super stormy. We're just like, this is
• 1:29:09
  miserable, but we're just having fun.
• 1:29:12
  So, you know, buddy, we had umbrellas.
• 1:29:14
  We're walking, right? So I I don't smoke like, I
• 1:29:19
  don't. He he like, he like used to
• 1:29:20
  smoke cigarettes. So like, we're just walking in
• 1:29:23
  his umbrella. He's got a cigarette holding it
• 1:29:24
  and he has a coffee. So we're walking down to go to
• 1:29:28
  this building. Like it's really this big.
• 1:29:30
  Like it's like the you made a sky building.
• 1:29:32
  It's like one of those like it's like super famous things where
• 1:29:34
  you can see like lookout. Sorry, my sister's trying to
• 1:29:37
  call me. You just like, look at shit and
• 1:29:40
  it's like you see the whole skyline of Osaka, which is,
• 1:29:42
  which is cool, That's awesome. So we're going there.
• 1:29:45
  And then he, he actually tips his umbrella, it goes inverted
• 1:29:51
  and he drops a cigarette and he spills his coffee on himself.
• 1:29:54
  And I thought she was really funny.
• 1:29:56
  So I was like, how many tattoos of that?
• 1:29:57
  Because that's just fucking funny.
• 1:29:59
  That's awesome. So there's a story behind it
• 1:30:01
  that. Means something to me.
• 1:30:02
  That makes you laugh when you see it.
• 1:30:04
  Yeah, that's awesome. I love it.
• 1:30:06
  Yeah, because he has it on his. He has it on his arm.
• 1:30:08
  He has an umbrella with rain under it and got holding a
• 1:30:11
  cigarette so. Sweet man.
• 1:30:15
  That's totally cool. It's pretty cool one, Yeah.
• 1:30:19
  And then what's that? So that I have these ones.
• 1:30:22
  So it's obviously the state of Arizona.
• 1:30:26
  It's my favorite place in the world.
• 1:30:29
  So, you know, I had to get it. It's one of my favorite places
• 1:30:34
  to. Well, has to be.
• 1:30:39
  It's a spider. I just got it one day.
• 1:30:42
  I was DD ING and everybody wanted tattoos and I was like,
• 1:30:45
  OK, so I got this spider tattoo and it was like 20 bucks.
• 1:30:50
  That's the only one I can't have because I got arachnophobia.
• 1:30:53
  I'd look down at my leg every time and go, oh, I'd be smacking
• 1:31:00
  my fucking leg all the time. This one, this is the the
• 1:31:05
  Northern the Nautical Star. It means that you went on a
• 1:31:10
  deployment and you came back 'cause you knew like where like
• 1:31:14
  the the Northern Star was type thing, like a sailor, the
• 1:31:18
  sailors tattoo. So.
• 1:31:20
  That's got the God brother Trey. Yeah.
• 1:31:24
  So it's specific to sailors. But when you're on like your
• 1:31:28
  deployment, you you rate certain tattoos like I'm gonna get 2
• 1:31:32
  going down here. They're called, it's like
• 1:31:34
  sparrows, but they call them swallows.
• 1:31:36
  And it's like if you get one of them, it means you traveled 5000
• 1:31:39
  nautical miles, you can get another one, which you traveled
• 1:31:42
  another 5000. So you can only you only rate 2.
• 1:31:46
  So you can you can only tattoo only two on your body.
• 1:31:49
  OK. So by two deployments combined,
• 1:31:52
  I went like 15 to 20,000 nautical miles.
• 1:31:55
  So I rate them. So I'm going to get them because
• 1:31:58
  they look. So now going forward.
• 1:32:01
  Have like an actual like. So now going forward, when you
• 1:32:05
  see somebody else with those same tattoos, you know exactly
• 1:32:07
  what that person did, what they mean.
• 1:32:10
  See, I would never know what any of that shit.
• 1:32:12
  Yeah, that's awesome, dude. Now we all know what it means.
• 1:32:15
  I. Think well if or if it's.
• 1:32:17
  A. Yeah.
• 1:32:18
  Or if it's some fucking some weird ass like 19 year old like
• 1:32:22
  college student with like a Sparrow tattoo.
• 1:32:24
  I'm like, dude, I'm like, obviously I'm not one to like.
• 1:32:27
  It'd be like, oh, you can't get the tattoo.
• 1:32:29
  But I'm just like, well, did you really know like what it means
• 1:32:31
  type thing? Like, obviously I have random
• 1:32:34
  ass tattoos, but they all, like, mean something to me.
• 1:32:36
  Correct. Yeah, like, you know, so if I
• 1:32:41
  see like a Sparrow tattoo or I see like a the nautical star,
• 1:32:44
  I'm like, oh, it's pretty cool. But I was like, you're obviously
• 1:32:47
  way too young to even, like do any of the stuff.
• 1:32:49
  So I was like, but do we just own?
• 1:32:52
  I mean, you can get how the fuck you want your body.
• 1:32:54
  I don't care. No, I know where you're coming.
• 1:32:56
  From To me it means. It means certain things.
• 1:32:58
  Yeah, I don't think anybody. There's plenty of shit to put on
• 1:33:01
  your body. You should never put something
• 1:33:03
  on there. Like I would never tattoo that
• 1:33:04
  star you have on your leg on my body, because I haven't done
• 1:33:07
  that. It doesn't.
• 1:33:08
  It wouldn't mean something to me and and it should offend
• 1:33:11
  somebody like you. That's what I'm getting that I
• 1:33:13
  know that, you know, in your heart of hearts you'd be
• 1:33:16
  offended, but you wouldn't say that to that person.
• 1:33:18
  But it should be offensive to somebody when they haven't.
• 1:33:21
  Right now. You haven't earned that, you
• 1:33:23
  know. I'm a very like, nonchalant
• 1:33:29
  person. Like, I don't, I'm not really
• 1:33:31
  out there to be. Like, I don't call people out
• 1:33:34
  because I don't. I'm not like afraid of
• 1:33:36
  confrontation type thing, but I'm like.
• 1:33:38
  We have that in common. If you're like doing some shit
• 1:33:40
  and I'm like, I'm just like, I kind of stay in my own lane, I'm
• 1:33:45
  just not your thing. I don't care.
• 1:33:47
  But if it directly involves me, then then we're going to have a
• 1:33:51
  problem. So it's like, you know?
• 1:33:53
  You and I are 110% on the same page because I always tell
• 1:33:57
  people, as long as you don't care what I'm doing, I don't
• 1:34:01
  give a shit what you you're doing at all.
• 1:34:04
  But as soon as you feel like you need to interject yourself into
• 1:34:07
  my life, we're going to have a fucking problem.
• 1:34:10
  Because, you know, just like you and your dad and anybody that
• 1:34:14
  knows us on a core level, you're going to go real deep with us.
• 1:34:20
  So, you know, careful how much you care about what we're doing,
• 1:34:23
  is what I'm getting at. Like we're going to, we're going
• 1:34:27
  to dissect your life down to the fucking bone, man.
• 1:34:34
  Like, let me tell you, like. You are not safe.
• 1:34:36
  Yeah, let me tell you a couple things about you that you don't
• 1:34:39
  know. That's what I like to say.
• 1:34:43
  Yeah, no, exactly. The last one I guess I have is
• 1:34:51
  this one. It's in kanji.
• 1:34:54
  It's a it's. I'm guessing.
• 1:34:58
  I got it one day. I was like, fuck it.
• 1:35:00
  I mean it. Yeah.
• 1:35:02
  So it's it's the Japanese language.
• 1:35:03
  It's, it's kanji. And it's, it's a really fucking
• 1:35:08
  stupid tattoo. But I thought it was funny, so I
• 1:35:10
  got it, 'cause I was like on something.
• 1:35:12
  It's like Japanese before I got this one.
• 1:35:14
  So I got, I got. Well, because of what it what it
• 1:35:17
  means. I got this one a whole year
• 1:35:18
  before I got this one, and it means even monkeys fall from
• 1:35:22
  trees. I guess there's like some
• 1:35:24
  meaning behind it, but it's like a pretty dumb, a dumb saying I
• 1:35:28
  guess. It's still fucking funny.
• 1:35:30
  I don't give a shit. Because it's like.
• 1:35:33
  You got so OK, so you got a little humor on your body.
• 1:35:36
  There's nothing wrong with that. Made me laugh.
• 1:35:39
  Yeah. And like in like Japanese, the
• 1:35:42
  Japanese culture, I guess it's like that's their saying of
• 1:35:46
  like, I guess it transit to English is like even though you
• 1:35:50
  fall, you fail at something like you're struggling to get back up
• 1:35:52
  and do that same thing. Like if you like, say like in
• 1:35:55
  the gym for example, you fail a lift, you're going to get up the
• 1:35:57
  next morning, you go try the lift again, like the monkeys
• 1:36:00
  always going to get back in the fucking tree.
• 1:36:01
  So like so I guess that's like AI guess I have a personal thing
• 1:36:06
  that I would, I would say I relate to it.
• 1:36:08
  So it's kind of why I got it. All of them have something and
• 1:36:11
  like have a meaning, but others it's just like either funny or I
• 1:36:15
  don't know why the fuck I got it, or it's just I don't know,
• 1:36:20
  but they're all part of me and they all suit me so.
• 1:36:22
  That's awesome. I I really enjoy.
• 1:36:25
  I very much enjoy getting tattoos.
• 1:36:26
  I very much enjoy like looking, looking like I have, like a
• 1:36:31
  story, I guess, 'cause every tattoo has its own time frame,
• 1:36:35
  its own story, its own meaning, so.
• 1:36:39
  And that's why. Use of tattoos to see people
• 1:36:41
  getting so. That's why I wanted you to show
• 1:36:45
  them off #1 and I wanted you to explain why you got them and
• 1:36:50
  what they mean to you. Just so you know, there's people
• 1:36:53
  that would look at you, that don't know you, that wouldn't
• 1:36:56
  talk to you because you have tattoos still to this day, You
• 1:36:59
  know, so this podcast is going to be out there for Infinity
• 1:37:04
  now, and people are going to be listening to it 10 years from
• 1:37:07
  now and they're going to see you and understand that not only are
• 1:37:11
  you an upstanding citizen, you're a member of the military
• 1:37:14
  and that having tattoos have nothing to do with who you are
• 1:37:19
  as a person, you know. Yeah.
• 1:37:23
  Some of the most wanted. To get this one because I got to
• 1:37:25
  be fucking funny in the same spot my dad's tattoo.
• 1:37:30
  Why didn't he Says Iron Dog? Yes.
• 1:37:32
  I mean, because it's not, I'm not Iron Dog.
• 1:37:36
  I thought I'd be fucking funny if I did.
• 1:37:39
  Yeah, I could do that. But it's like I put like right
• 1:37:40
  here. You could.
• 1:37:42
  You could get another funny tattoo.
• 1:37:44
  You could be the iron puppy. That's bad.
• 1:37:46
  That's something my dad would say.
• 1:37:48
  The iron puppy, he said. The iron puppy.
• 1:37:51
  Tell him that something my dad would say.
• 1:37:57
  He's like, he's like that would he's like, that would be
• 1:37:58
  something my dad would say, yeah.
• 1:38:01
  It's really. Yeah.
• 1:38:02
  Get, get. I'm the Iron Dog.
• 1:38:03
  Get yourself the Iron Puppy. Your dad has still not figured
• 1:38:08
  out that I named his podcast network the Iron Dog Podcast
• 1:38:13
  Network. That's the Easter egg he still
• 1:38:15
  has never found to this day. So we'll see if he actually
• 1:38:17
  listens to this podcast and calls me out on it.
• 1:38:22
  If if you go to Spotify, is that.
• 1:38:24
  What it's called? Yeah, if you go to Spotify like
• 1:38:27
  our homepage, it says the Chris and Mike Show and underneath it,
• 1:38:30
  it says Iron Dog Podcast Network because it made me choose a
• 1:38:35
  business. He's never noticed it.
• 1:38:37
  No, I told him. I said.
• 1:38:39
  Dude, there's an Easter egg out there and.
• 1:38:40
  He's like, don't don't tell me. Don't tell me so we'll see if he
• 1:38:44
  actually listens to this podcast because he tells me that he
• 1:38:47
  started listening. Yes.
• 1:38:48
  He actually listens to this podcast.
• 1:38:52
  Well, yeah, let's see if he listens Podcast.
• 1:38:54
  You're going to be like, what the fuck?
• 1:38:56
  I can say what it is, but you can be like, really?
• 1:38:59
  Because it's just, it's just there.
• 1:39:01
  He's like, what the hell? It's right out there.
• 1:39:03
  Well, he didn't actually start listening until.
• 1:39:05
  About like listening to it to an hour and a half.
• 1:39:09
  Yeah, he started about two weeks ago because I guilted him into
• 1:39:13
  it. Not that you should sit around
• 1:39:18
  and listen to yourself talk, I guess.
• 1:39:20
  I just, I was like, have you ever actually sat down and
• 1:39:22
  listened to it? He said, yeah, listen to the
• 1:39:23
  last episode. I I laughed.
• 1:39:25
  It was really fun. So yeah, I used to have used to
• 1:39:33
  make YouTube videos. He used to like, rewatch them.
• 1:39:37
  And I'd be, I'd be kind of funny because when I was in high
• 1:39:39
  school, maybe like, I was really like that, like out there.
• 1:39:44
  Oh yeah, it's hilarious to go back and watch, like videos when
• 1:39:47
  him and I were in the band. Some of it's great, but some of
• 1:39:49
  it's like, you know, now that you've matured, you just kind of
• 1:39:52
  laugh at yourself. It's like, man, you can see how
• 1:39:55
  rushed everything was. And now I'm all your playing
• 1:39:59
  just gets better and better and you've learned to control the
• 1:40:02
  song and the tempo. And that's all stuff we had
• 1:40:05
  problems with back in the day because we were young, you know?
• 1:40:08
  But we've made some damn good music.
• 1:40:14
  Yeah, that's what he that's what he was telling me.
• 1:40:16
  I've never actually listened to Y'all's stuff, but I mean, I
• 1:40:22
  don't You like CDs and shit? No, we never recorded what we
• 1:40:29
  had. Mike had it, but then he had a
• 1:40:32
  situation where his roommate destroyed everything.
• 1:40:40
  You know he destroyed everything.
• 1:40:42
  Oh yeah, Kevin, It's a horrible. It's a horrible story.
• 1:40:47
  We won't go down that road, but yeah, I lost a lot of shit.
• 1:40:51
  I was very thankful I had a folder left.
• 1:40:54
  So I do have some pictures and stuff, but as far as music goes,
• 1:40:58
  I lost a lot of shit. It's sad, but you know what?
• 1:41:03
  I looked at it as the same way I cleaned house and the rest of my
• 1:41:06
  life. I just started over writing new
• 1:41:08
  stuff and it's better than the old stuff.
• 1:41:11
  You just got to look at it that way.
• 1:41:13
  That's all good. I'm sitting here talking to you
• 1:41:16
  and I wouldn't be doing that had I not made the choices I made in
• 1:41:19
  life. So just to lose a couple things.
• 1:41:21
  You learn that things are material, You know, like
• 1:41:23
  materialistic things don't mean shit.
• 1:41:26
  I don't care if somebody's got a 60,000 square foot house or they
• 1:41:30
  live in a bus. How they treat me is how I look
• 1:41:33
  at life. So, as sad as it was, it's all
• 1:41:37
  good. Yeah, As I say, everything
• 1:41:43
  happens for a reason. So you can't really get like,
• 1:41:46
  you'd be like, Oh well, I mean, it happened.
• 1:41:48
  It's over. It's whatever.
• 1:41:49
  Yeah. Like with all the shit I've done
• 1:41:51
  in the past year, like it's at, it's over.
• 1:41:53
  It's whatever. And if you, dude, if you keep
• 1:41:56
  that attitude at 22 years old, you you got life by the balls,
• 1:42:00
  man. For the rest of your life you
• 1:42:02
  will own your life. Just always keep that same
• 1:42:04
  attitude. Because it took me 37 years to
• 1:42:07
  figure out what you already know at 22.
• 1:42:12
  Go with the flow. It took me a while, though it
• 1:42:15
  didn't. Take you as long as it took me.
• 1:42:17
  I was stubborn. Like, I'm stubborn too, but it
• 1:42:22
  took me after I got like had like a really bad added, like a
• 1:42:26
  really bad breakup like in 21. Fucking women.
• 1:42:35
  I was destroyed. Like, I was just like, this is
• 1:42:37
  this sucks. Like super attached.
• 1:42:40
  I was like, super, still super attached.
• 1:42:41
  So afterwards I was just like, fuck it, who cares?
• 1:42:48
  And I just kind of became happier at that point.
• 1:42:52
  There's a point where I didn't eat for like an entire week and
• 1:42:54
  I got like extremely, extremely skinny and it's bad.
• 1:42:59
  I mean, I wasn't like, I looked, I looked great, just like.
• 1:43:02
  I mean, I looked like decent Jakes, like I was like Rip.
• 1:43:05
  Then yeah, I was. No, I'm not anymore.
• 1:43:10
  I was ripped, but I was sad. But you know, because I like, I
• 1:43:15
  mean, I like Japanese food way too much.
• 1:43:17
  So, you know, it's kind of. They do have amazing food.
• 1:43:21
  It's. Kind of, especially over there.
• 1:43:27
  Like it's it's pretty tasty stuff, but I'm starting to get
• 1:43:30
  like like a healthier weight back and.
• 1:43:32
  I actually just hadn't done it. I actually just had Japanese for
• 1:43:36
  the first time probably two years ago here, obviously, but
• 1:43:41
  one of my one of my friends took me to a restaurant up in
• 1:43:45
  Michigan and it was really good. I was skeptical going in there
• 1:43:48
  because I had never had it. But man, I left being a huge fan
• 1:43:51
  of their food. I see why you say that.
• 1:43:54
  It's all fresh and amazing. Yeah, it's it's pretty tasty
• 1:43:57
  stuff. Yeah.
• 1:43:59
  I don't like sushi though. There's nothing I don't like.
• 1:44:01
  I've never had sushi. That's just weird.
• 1:44:03
  Yeah, I'm with you. See, we agree on a lot of stuff.
• 1:44:06
  This all worked out very well. You and I are kindred spirit in
• 1:44:09
  a lot of way. That's just fucking weird.
• 1:44:13
  Other people like it. That's great.
• 1:44:14
  You. Either I'm just like him but
• 1:44:15
  like and let him be like what, 31 years younger?
• 1:44:22
  53, you're 22. Yeah, 30.
• 1:44:24
  Like about 3131 years younger. It is kind of odd because
• 1:44:29
  talking to you is very much like talking to the 22 year old
• 1:44:32
  version of him. I remember him at 22 or 23.
• 1:44:36
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:44:37
  That's about when we met. Because I was only like 20.
• 1:44:41
  I don't. I wasn't even old enough to get
• 1:44:42
  in the bar when we started the band.
• 1:44:45
  I moved to Phoenix when I was 19.
• 1:44:47
  I met. I met him when I was 20 or 21.
• 1:44:51
  Yeah. So he was 23?
• 1:44:54
  Maybe? Yeah.
• 1:44:56
  He's always been the same person.
• 1:44:57
  OK Oh, yeah, yeah, that's what you're telling me.
• 1:45:04
  He'd be like telling like stuff like him, like high school with
• 1:45:07
  like, well, I call my uncle, but Todd.
• 1:45:10
  Oh yeah, he came to all. OK, yeah, cool.
• 1:45:12
  So, oh, really? Came to all you guys's shows.
• 1:45:17
  Oh, what the hell? Yeah.
• 1:45:18
  So, like, I call him my uncle. He's like the closest thing I
• 1:45:21
  have to one. Yeah, he videotaped a lot of our
• 1:45:23
  one in. Pennsylvania because he's not
• 1:45:25
  really my uncle. Yeah, what a homie.
• 1:45:28
  Really videotaped. Like a lot of y'all shows.
• 1:45:31
  Yeah, see, see. Back in the day, I was supposed.
• 1:45:33
  To hang out with him, I think in a couple days.
• 1:45:35
  Back in the day, Jake, we had to have this thing.
• 1:45:38
  Your dad was like the fucking bomb diggity back in the day.
• 1:45:43
  Because he had a fucking camcorder.
• 1:45:46
  No, nobody had cell phones, you know?
• 1:45:49
  And there, what if you had a camcorder?
• 1:45:51
  You were like upper echelon because they were expensive and
• 1:45:55
  not very many people had one. So it was a big deal for us to
• 1:45:58
  be able to record our shows. I know that seems silly to
• 1:46:02
  people nowadays. Because I go back to the fact.
• 1:46:05
  Use their cell phone, but back then that wasn't an option.
• 1:46:09
  There was no one on that. They just do this.
• 1:46:13
  They just do this and just, like, upload it.
• 1:46:16
  Yeah. And now I did, I did have like
• 1:46:19
  a, like a a camera and a camcorder back in the day.
• 1:46:21
  You know, like, I, you know, I wasn't always like, with this.
• 1:46:23
  And I had like my own little camera.
• 1:46:25
  I had my own little, like, my little, like handheld little,
• 1:46:28
  like, little Sony. That's awesome.
• 1:46:32
  So I feel like him and I are a lot of the same because we like
• 1:46:34
  to be like out there, like on camera and like talking and
• 1:46:36
  stuff. And that's where I kind of got
• 1:46:38
  like all of my confidence to go like actually upload shit and
• 1:46:42
  like just really just not care what like people think about
• 1:46:44
  like stuff I upload. Yeah.
• 1:46:46
  So he now he gave me like once I get out in 27, like I'm I am,
• 1:46:52
  yeah. Like whenever I get out of the
• 1:46:54
  military in 27 HS every just go like, I don't care.
• 1:46:59
  That's awesome. It's just milk backtrack.
• 1:47:03
  The military is great and all, but I'm ready to get I'm I'm
• 1:47:07
  done. I'm, I'm good.
• 1:47:09
  So the grass is not greener getting all the shit paid for.
• 1:47:14
  I'm going to. It's not.
• 1:47:17
  I'm going to let you tell everybody where you're going
• 1:47:20
  next and I got to piss like a racehorse.
• 1:47:23
  I'll be back in 30 seconds. Tell everybody you're going to
• 1:47:27
  wherever, OK? I'll be right back.
• 1:47:30
  OK. All right.
• 1:47:31
  Sounds good. All right, well, people, now I'm
• 1:47:36
  by myself. April, April 10th.
• 1:47:41
  Ticketed Trail Inspector School San Diego graduate July 3rd and
• 1:47:46
  after that I stay in San Diego for three years.
• 1:47:50
  So like from like think July and until July of like 27.
• 1:47:55
  July of 24. I go to, I go to, I graduate.
• 1:47:58
  Shall I have 27? Three years I will be over
• 1:48:02
  there. So yeah, but I need it.
• 1:48:05
  I need to say a text real quick because I have been leaving, so
• 1:48:08
  I haven't talked to anybody in two hours.
• 1:48:14
  Yeah, yeah. But like, Seth, really special.
• 1:48:19
  It's just just going, I'm just going to this one thing and
• 1:48:22
  doing this thing for three years and then done.
• 1:48:29
  Welcome. Back a beer and a water and I
• 1:48:34
  was like, I think your dad and I made it to an hour and 19
• 1:48:38
  minutes one time. Yeah, I've had an energy drink
• 1:48:47
  and a Gatorade, so you know, I'm waiting for him to come back in.
• 1:48:50
  I I routinely listen. So I got to go to the gym.
• 1:48:54
  OK, I routine. I routinely listen to Joe Rogan
• 1:48:58
  and he'll do like 3 or 4 hour podcasts.
• 1:49:01
  But those guys will like, you know, there's two or three of
• 1:49:04
  them there and they'll just play off each other and somebody's
• 1:49:07
  like, hey, talk for a second. I got to go to the bathroom.
• 1:49:09
  So I just stole that from them. Yeah, look here to entertain
• 1:49:14
  everybody for a second because believe it or not, they're
• 1:49:18
  diligent. What do I want to call them?
• 1:49:22
  Subscribers who listen every Monday morning and Wednesday
• 1:49:25
  morning and whenever they do. But there's a lot of people
• 1:49:30
  looking forward to this particular episode because the
• 1:49:34
  girls think you're cute and the guys want to know about your
• 1:49:37
  tattoo. So it was a win win.
• 1:49:42
  That's good. Everybody that I showed your
• 1:49:46
  picture to, all the girls were like, Oh my God, he's so cute.
• 1:49:49
  And all the guys were like, I got to know about that fucking
• 1:49:52
  tattoo. So we're going to get everybody
• 1:49:57
  to tune in and check it out. Get the numbers of like.
• 1:50:02
  Some of the ladies. Slide slide it my way, Yeah.
• 1:50:08
  Unfortunately, they're probably closer to my age, Jake, and I'm
• 1:50:11
  not sure you'd want to go down that road.
• 1:50:14
  You never know. You never know.
• 1:50:16
  Yeah, it's it's, it's quite all right.
• 1:50:18
  I I kind of like the older. Ladies.
• 1:50:20
  Quite all right. Your dad would remember.
• 1:50:27
  Your dad would remember when I dated Tammy and she was probably
• 1:50:31
  15 years older than me at the time.
• 1:50:33
  She must have been, like 37. So, yeah, I guess I like the
• 1:50:36
  older ladies myself back now. Yeah.
• 1:50:38
  Yeah. I think as of recently for the
• 1:50:47
  last two years, I haven't been, I haven't dated anybody so.
• 1:50:51
  You haven't thought about hooking up with any of the.
• 1:50:53
  That's my last one. No, it's not your point, man.
• 1:51:01
  It's just kind of no, I'm just kind of just kind of here, just
• 1:51:09
  kind of just do my own thing. I don't want to get like
• 1:51:12
  distractions from like stuff I want to do.
• 1:51:16
  So I think it would be better if I was just like this to myself
• 1:51:20
  because I know mistake, you know, mistakes happen.
• 1:51:24
  I don't want a certain mistake to happen where I'm just like
• 1:51:27
  why everything I'm trying to do, I can't do anymore.
• 1:51:29
  So. Once again, you have no idea.
• 1:51:34
  You're you're just living my life all over again.
• 1:51:36
  That's exactly what I did when I was your age.
• 1:51:38
  I was not interested in having kids or getting married, and I
• 1:51:42
  made sure I didn't make that mistake.
• 1:51:43
  I pretty much just stayed focused on, focused on being a
• 1:51:46
  guitar player and putting a band together and getting signed to a
• 1:51:50
  record label and to do that. I didn't have time to do all
• 1:51:55
  those other things. So you're smart for having that
• 1:52:00
  mindset. I had the exact same mindset,
• 1:52:02
  and that's one thing that I'm proud of myself.
• 1:52:04
  I didn't bring any kids into this world that I didn't want,
• 1:52:07
  and I've done exactly what I wanted to do pretty much every
• 1:52:10
  day of my life. So I don't have a lot of regrets
• 1:52:14
  in that department, and I don't think you will either.
• 1:52:19
  Yeah, I just try my best to just do stuff is because I can't
• 1:52:29
  while I'm while I'm young, before I get into anything, so.
• 1:52:32
  Well, I know you got to get out of here, buddy and go to the
• 1:52:34
  gym. I totally appreciate you doing
• 1:52:36
  this. It's been my honor.
• 1:52:38
  Thank you for your service. I know I speak for everybody
• 1:52:44
  when when I say that everyone totally appreciates everything
• 1:52:48
  you're doing for our country. And stay safe out there and
• 1:52:52
  you're welcome back here anytime.
• 1:52:53
  And keep listening to all the different places you go, so I
• 1:52:56
  get more countries, pop up on my statistics.
• 1:53:02
  Tell all your buddies who are deployed in different.
• 1:53:05
  Countries at this point. Do you have friends that are
• 1:53:08
  deployed elsewhere? Tell them to start listening.
• 1:53:12
  Yeah, I got people in Australia, yeah, And Germany right now, so.
• 1:53:17
  Hook us up, man. Be sure to let them know.
• 1:53:19
  Yeah, definitely. Give us a shout out around the
• 1:53:21
  world, man. Get us started.
• 1:53:26
  Well, thanks again for coming on, Jake.
• 1:53:29
  It's been an honor to meet you. Yeah, of.
• 1:53:31
  Course. A lot of people don't know I've
• 1:53:33
  never met Jake. This is the first time I've ever
• 1:53:36
  met him. He was not born when Nemesis was
• 1:53:38
  playing out and doing our thing. So this was this was our first
• 1:53:42
  meeting and it felt like I've known you for 100 years.
• 1:53:44
  So thank you again and turn it over to your dad so you can go
• 1:53:49
  to the gym and stay buff, man. All right.
• 1:53:54
  Sounds good. Well, it's nice to meet you,
• 1:53:56
  Mike. Appreciate you too, brother.
• 1:53:58
  Take care. Happy New Year.
• 1:53:59
  Why the? Headphones are so warm.
• 1:54:09
  I know. Well, he's been wearing them for
• 1:54:12
  a while. I know.
• 1:54:16
  I prepared for this man, you leave.
• 1:54:19
  It. To my son.
• 1:54:20
  Oh yeah, leave it to my. Son.
• 1:54:22
  Oh, ye of little faith that I would not have a bunch of
• 1:54:25
  questions prepared, Chris. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris was
• 1:54:29
  like, he cannot possibly have any kind of questions prepared.
• 1:54:33
  He probably went out there and smoked to Mary Jane, and he's
• 1:54:36
  just sitting there going, I don't know what to say.
• 1:54:38
  I had my shit together, man. I think that would be fantastic.
• 1:54:42
  Interview I never. I never had a single doubt my
• 1:54:47
  friend dude. I was just surprised that he you
• 1:54:50
  had him engaged as long as you did.
• 1:54:53
  I had him from the very first question, he said.
• 1:54:56
  Wow, that's a really good question.
• 1:55:00
  Sounds like I prepared for this, Jake.
• 1:55:02
  Good job. He did amazing.
• 1:55:04
  He's he's a fine representation of everything.
• 1:55:09
  You'll block. For an apparent, oh 100%.
• 1:55:13
  He was a pleasure to talk to you and he was very articulate and I
• 1:55:16
  think people are going to enjoy his adventure from being a High
• 1:55:20
  School graduate to where he's currently going today.
• 1:55:22
  He had to cover my ass while I went and took a piss.
• 1:55:24
  So I said tell people about where you're going in San Diego,
• 1:55:27
  please. That's.
• 1:55:31
  That's that's awesome. So thank you for you.
• 1:55:35
  I know you didn't allow him to do it, but thank you for loaning
• 1:55:39
  us Jake, and it was everything I hope for and more.
• 1:55:44
  It was way more than I expected. So ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:55:50
  We wrap it all up now with the. Yeah, Chris of the Chris and
• 1:55:53
  Mike Show is actually back on the show.
• 1:55:55
  Welcome back. We're going to get him a better
• 1:55:58
  set up so he can have multiple people at the same time.
• 1:56:03
  I will just send you mine when I get my new set up.
• 1:56:06
  That'll give me a reason to upgrade sooner because I got
• 1:56:14
  some plans for bigger. And well done.
• 1:56:15
  So do you want to wrap things? OK, so you want to wrap it up
• 1:56:20
  with our Top 11 reasons to subscribe to our podcast?
• 1:56:23
  Yes Sir, I have my list ready all.
• 1:56:27
  Right, so so he has your list, and so you you get the fact that
• 1:56:32
  you're the bold numbers, right? I am the bold numbers, ladies
• 1:56:36
  and gentlemen, yes. You are the bold numbers.
• 1:56:40
  So again, yeah, this this is, this is one of those little
• 1:56:45
  weekly things we're going to do. We're always going to have the
• 1:56:48
  top 11 reasons for something, and today's is the top 11
• 1:56:52
  reasons to actually subscribe to our podcast #11.
• 1:56:56
  And why is it the top 11? Because musicians turning up a
• 1:57:03
  notch. Correct.
• 1:57:05
  This is Spinal Tap #11 because we asked you to.
• 1:57:14
  Right. I think that's that's very just
• 1:57:17
  direct number 10, because it's always on a Tuesday and we love
• 1:57:20
  Taco. Tuesday.
• 1:57:22
  We do love Taco Tuesday, and just just a little ad Lib here.
• 1:57:29
  I'm very depressed because my current, my current Mexican
• 1:57:32
  joint is closed until January 9th.
• 1:57:35
  Bummed out #9. Wow.
• 1:57:40
  Because we have guests come on the show, sometimes we hope to
• 1:57:45
  have more, but yes. Right, Yeah.
• 1:57:48
  Like we had an inanimate, an inanimate object guest last
• 1:57:53
  week, which was cardboard cut out Jake.
• 1:57:54
  And then we actually delivered the living, breathing, human
• 1:57:59
  being. Cardboard cut out Jake.
• 1:58:02
  We did live on the podcast. Slash slash the cardboard right
• 1:58:07
  live on the podcast #8 because Mike wanted to have a podcast.
• 1:58:17
  Fair enough. I would probably add in there
• 1:58:21
  that because Mike wanted to get paid to have a podcast, but
• 1:58:27
  yeah. Right.
• 1:58:29
  And #7 coincides with #8 because Chris agreed to be part of the
• 1:58:35
  podcast and what Chris does succeeds, so we should probably
• 1:58:40
  succeed well. Hopefully, hopefully, number
• 1:58:47
  six, and I'm doing this because he's to the right of me, because
• 1:58:52
  he's Mike Michaels. And because he's Chris Dunham,
• 1:58:58
  he's to the right of me. Right number #4 because well, he
• 1:59:07
  left. He left, he's, he's Jacob
• 1:59:09
  Dunham, the visitor. But he's he's he's he's left us
• 1:59:12
  now. I think he's.
• 1:59:13
  Elvis has left the building. Work out Elvis has left like you
• 1:59:17
  like very much. Because neither of us have been
• 1:59:22
  in prison is #3. The true story, although that
• 1:59:27
  would be a whole new podcast in itself.
• 1:59:30
  Chris and Mike show Behind Prison or Behind Bars.
• 1:59:34
  Yeah, let's hope we. Don't so so we could we could we
• 1:59:37
  could go get well we'd have to we'd have to get ourselves
• 1:59:40
  arrested and then make it to prison and.
• 1:59:44
  That sounds. Like a lot of lobby, the warden
• 1:59:46
  and such to allow us to have a podcast and then we could have,
• 1:59:50
  you know, a podcast inside the prison walls.
• 1:59:55
  You know, we should look that up and see if somebody's done that.
• 1:59:58
  That would be interesting. I would be I.
• 2:00:00
  That sounds like. Be interested in that.
• 2:00:02
  Then we can have them on our show via Zoom.
• 2:00:04
  It does, but I can Google it. I'll Google it.
• 2:00:07
  Number two of the top 11 reasons to just to subscribe to our
• 2:00:12
  podcast is because we both have day jobs.
• 2:00:16
  Yeah, but I'm sure he likes his. But I I could give the worst at
• 2:00:20
  any time and not be unhappy. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:00:25
  So the more subscribers we get, then the more followers we get,
• 2:00:28
  which then it takes Mike's podcast target to the whole next
• 2:00:33
  level. So we're almost there.
• 2:00:35
  We have 200. We need 1000.
• 2:00:37
  That's our target, right? Well, to get the caliber of
• 2:00:41
  guests that we would need to have the kind of subscribers
• 2:00:44
  that we would need to actually get paid to not have to work,
• 2:00:48
  we're a ways away. But yeah, I'd be happy with 1000
• 2:00:50
  and we're at 33. So if you are a Facebook
• 2:00:53
  follower and you are not a Spotify follower, even if that's
• 2:00:58
  not where you listen to it, do me a favor, download Spotify,
• 2:01:02
  click the follow button. Because eventually that's the
• 2:01:06
  only place we're going to be. So we would like to be exclusive
• 2:01:10
  to one spot eventually, years down the road.
• 2:01:16
  Don't panic everybody, I know a lot of people like Apple. 10% of
• 2:01:21
  our listenership is on. Apple and the number one Nice.
• 2:01:26
  And the number one reason to subscribe to our podcast is
• 2:01:31
  because. We're just really cool people
• 2:01:35
  and it'll be fun, yes. Right.
• 2:01:40
  We are really cool people and we'll be fun.
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  And it's already fun, I think. I think it's already fun, you
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  know? Jake said we were fun.
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  It'll be interesting to see what Jake What what Right on it'll be
• 2:01:54
  listen to what he what he talks about.
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  Yeah, I listen. To the show, I asked him that
• 2:01:59
  question. I said, what did you think?
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  Be honest. I said, you can be brutal.
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  I can take it. He was not brutal at all.
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  He was very honest. Yeah.
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  How crazy is it that you wore the ACDC?
• 2:02:10
  Shirt, I heard part. Of the up on shirt.
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  Well, I did it because it has. It's America, you know, kind of
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  Marine Corps vibe. America.
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  And then, yeah, ACDC, three chords in the truth and and the
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  mighty, mighty Sep. There it is.
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  All right. So did you have a good
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  Christmas? It was amazing.
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  Yes, yourself. Right on.
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  Yeah, no complaints, man. The little man's first true year
• 2:02:41
  of understanding the whole Christmas magic, which was fun
• 2:02:45
  you know trip trip. His little brothers just turned
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  6 months old. So he's kind of getting that
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  fun. He's such a little happy baby
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  too, dude. He he just, he watches, he
• 2:02:55
  watches little man like a hawk. Like no matter what little man's
• 2:02:58
  doing, man, his eyes are just he's going to like little man's
• 2:03:01
  going to be his hero forever. Just he's so and so he's so
• 2:03:07
  captivated by whatever little man does.
• 2:03:08
  It's it's cool watching him in the same room because he can.
• 2:03:11
  One of us has to be holding Trip, obviously.
• 2:03:13
  And he's just his head's on a swivel, man.
• 2:03:15
  Just where's little man at? Where's little man at?
• 2:03:18
  And little Man's really good with him, you know, which is
• 2:03:20
  cool. So there's that age gap that you
• 2:03:23
  kind of worry about for 3 1/2 years.
• 2:03:25
  But he's cool, man. He's good with him.
• 2:03:28
  He's. He's embracing being the Big
• 2:03:30
  Brother. It's fun.
• 2:03:31
  It was fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:34
  And then Nikki's dad's flying in tomorrow, so I don't, I don't
• 2:03:38
  think I'd get him on the show. But you never know.
• 2:03:39
  He's a Marine too. He's a Marine Corps veteran.
• 2:03:41
  He was a coal miner. He ran his own trucking business
• 2:03:44
  out of New York. He's he reminds me the the the
• 2:03:47
  best way to explain George is he's he's he's he's a Joe Pesci
• 2:03:52
  like you. Remember Joe Pesci?
• 2:03:53
  From Goodfellas. That's the kind of, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:56
  Not, not as, not as short as Joe and you know, but yeah.
• 2:04:01
  Well, here's the deal. I don't go back to work till
• 2:04:04
  January 2nd, so if he would possibly do that, all you got to
• 2:04:08
  do is call me up, man. I'm free until next Tuesday, OK?
• 2:04:12
  I have nothing going on him. The only day that I'm going to
• 2:04:15
  be gone is tomorrow. Right on, OK.
• 2:04:19
  So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
• 2:04:21
  I'm free this week. That sounds amazing.
• 2:04:25
  I love people like that Joe Pesci characters.
• 2:04:28
  Yeah, he's cool, man. He's a good dude.
• 2:04:31
  He's a good guy. We'll say something to him and
• 2:04:33
  then we could put one in the can and if we ever needed a week
• 2:04:36
  off, we could drop that episode. Yeah.
• 2:04:41
  We probably shouldn't be telling everybody our plans to follow.
• 2:04:43
  And if not, we just we we shouldn't tell anybody that
• 2:04:48
  stuff. You know what you just heard?
• 2:04:51
  Yeah, forget. What rewind?
• 2:04:55
  It's like when you're sitting on a tree and they say disregard
• 2:04:59
  everything you just heard for the last 15 fucking minutes.
• 2:05:02
  That always makes me laugh, right?
• 2:05:04
  How am I supposed to do? Right, right.
• 2:05:06
  Because you can't just, you can't unhear it like Nikki and I
• 2:05:09
  are watching Suits. We're like in the 6th, 6th
• 2:05:12
  season. Out of. 9 total.
• 2:05:14
  And there's some of that. Yeah, right.
• 2:05:16
  It's where it's where it's episode 11, Season six.
• 2:05:19
  So Jessica just left. OK, she just left the, you know,
• 2:05:24
  the the forum. So that's where I'm at.
• 2:05:27
  You know. I think some of it's kind of,
• 2:05:29
  you know, a stretch, but it's a good show, man.
• 2:05:32
  I yeah. It's fiction, Chris.
• 2:05:34
  It's fiction. You got to just roll with it.
• 2:05:37
  Oh, that's true. That's true.
• 2:05:39
  You know, we got to do one at one time.
• 2:05:41
  We need to, we need to have a show.
• 2:05:45
  I, I, I, I'm going to save this for the next show.
• 2:05:47
  This is a teaser next show we're going to talk about.
• 2:05:55
  This is a teaser. Folks, next show we're going to
• 2:05:57
  talk about. We're going to talk next show,
• 2:06:01
  we're going to talk about this. And the reason we're going to
• 2:06:03
  talk about this is that. I can't see that I.
• 2:06:06
  Connected. It's my book.
• 2:06:09
  Oh. The one you're supposed to send
• 2:06:15
  me a copy of? Yeah, now I see it.
• 2:06:17
  Yeah. Yes, yes, I'll get you a couple.
• 2:06:20
  We're going to talk about the the this because Charles AKA
• 2:06:26
  Chuck, his wife couldn't sleep and googled him and lo and
• 2:06:30
  behold this popped up. So we'll save that for next
• 2:06:34
  episode story. Oh, I like teasers tomorrow, all
• 2:06:39
  right. I.
• 2:06:39
  Don't know. Mom's here at some burger place
• 2:06:41
  today, but I can't do it today. I always think because we talked
• 2:06:44
  about stuff earlier. I don't know what he's talking
• 2:06:46
  about because I have influence. I was.
• 2:06:48
  I was thinking about taking you to 5th St.
• 2:06:50
  Burger who's? Your tomorrow Grandpa.
• 2:06:52
  You take OK, Why? Yeah.
• 2:06:55
  I want 5th St. Burger.
• 2:06:56
  Yeah. Bye.
• 2:06:58
  Bye, bye, Jake. Thank you again.
• 2:06:59
  I'm. On a plane?
• 2:07:00
  I've never been there before. What?
• 2:07:02
  I I yelled when I was you. Could hear me.
• 2:07:04
  When I was doing some, I know when I was doing some photo
• 2:07:09
  snagging and video stuff I had, I posted up on Instagram, which
• 2:07:13
  you got to turn your Instagram into the show.
• 2:07:16
  You need to just make an Instagram because I can't
• 2:07:18
  figure. That it came across.
• 2:07:20
  Just make one. It came across my feed.
• 2:07:22
  Well, I don't want to make one attached to mine, so we'll make
• 2:07:26
  one attached to yours because mine already has one attached to
• 2:07:29
  it. And then I got hacked.
• 2:07:32
  Yeah. Mine was hacked and I don't.
• 2:07:34
  So good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:07:37
  Yeah. So my personal one.
• 2:07:38
  And then I had good news Arizona when I was doing that show.
• 2:07:42
  But then I got hacked one day and because good news, Arizona
• 2:07:45
  was caricatures of Dean and I are not the caricatures.
• 2:07:48
  The emojis, the bobblehead emojis that you find on Apple
• 2:07:51
  phones. I never got it back.
• 2:07:53
  I got mine back because my face confused with mine.
• 2:07:57
  And now I'm. I'm not.
• 2:07:59
  Right. Right.
• 2:08:01
  Right. So if you want to add 1 to your
• 2:08:04
  Instagram then we can. OK, I know what you're asking me
• 2:08:08
  to do now. I did.
• 2:08:09
  I don't want to muck up my system.
• 2:08:10
  I don't want to muck up my waters because.
• 2:08:12
  Right, Yeah. So add that and you can use our
• 2:08:16
  our logo we created as the profile and then you can you can
• 2:08:20
  drop stuff on that thing like crazy.
• 2:08:22
  Well, I'll give it to you because you know, you do that
• 2:08:25
  more than I do. I just want to make sure you
• 2:08:26
  have access to the social media because you're way more, you're
• 2:08:32
  way more. Present is the word I'm looking
• 2:08:34
  for present on the social media that I am.
• 2:08:36
  I'm getting better. Yeah.
• 2:08:39
  Yeah, you are. And you are.
• 2:08:40
  Yeah. Thank you to everyone who's
• 2:08:42
  followed the Facebook page. Like I said, those followers
• 2:08:45
  need to go over to Spotify and click that follow button.
• 2:08:48
  Quite a few have, but not nearly enough.
• 2:08:50
  Where one we're 190 something on Facebook and we're 35 on
• 2:08:56
  Spotify. There's a disparate in the
• 2:08:59
  disparity in the numbers. Maybe I'll make OK.
• 2:09:02
  Maybe we'll make a video and I'll show them how to do it.
• 2:09:06
  Yeah, maybe some people need some instructional video.
• 2:09:09
  That would be great. And you know, one thing we need
• 2:09:11
  on our Facebook page? We need some guidance.
• 2:09:15
  We need to do a reel. You need a reel to graduate to
• 2:09:19
  Level 3. I did.
• 2:09:21
  I did read that. OK.
• 2:09:23
  I can do that. I know you know how to do
• 2:09:25
  reading. I can do that.
• 2:09:26
  I'll work on that. Yeah, that's the only thing you
• 2:09:29
  need for that, and I'm sure people would enjoy it.
• 2:09:32
  OK, well, all right, cool. So let's sign off on this, and
• 2:09:36
  then you're going to show me how to make all this stuff usable on
• 2:09:40
  a daily basis. Yes, OK.
• 2:09:44
  So ladies and. Gentlemen, we talked about that
• 2:09:46
  before. Yes, yeah, I got it, ladies and
• 2:09:48
  gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in.
• 2:09:52
  We never did say this is episode #9.
• 2:09:57
  This is season one, Episode 9, the United States themed show.
• 2:10:03
  Thus Lady Liberty. I feel like we should have
• 2:10:08
  Whitney Houston singing the National anthem now.
• 2:10:10
  Oh, she can you she. I can't even get our own music
• 2:10:17
  to. Play again.
• 2:10:21
  I apologize ladies and. Gentlemen, Yeah, it's OK.
• 2:10:25
  Just just know that I'm American through and through until next
• 2:10:29
  week. See ya.
• 2:11:13
  The None.