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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, This is Adam Todd Brown, co host of
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  Speaker 1: the Pretty Scary Podcast, among others, welcoming you to an
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  Speaker 1: all new podcast from the makers of Pretty Scary. It's
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  Speaker 1: called True Crime Sucks, and you're about to listen to
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  Speaker 1: case also thank you. First, a heads up for everybody
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  Speaker 1: that this first episode, the one with me and Cindy
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  Speaker 1: a Ravina covering the documentary There's something wrong with Aunt
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  Speaker 1: and Diane. It's a heavy one. I mean, most of
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  Speaker 1: what we cover will be pretty heavy in some respects.
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  Speaker 1: This is a true crime podcast, after all. That said,
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  Speaker 1: most episodes likely will not involve both hosts audibly crying
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  Speaker 1: near the end, but this one's does. You're lucky ducks.
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  Speaker 1: as always, we love you. Let's get to the pod.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to True Crime Sucks, a podcast about the best
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  Speaker 1: and worst of true CRIMETV and documentaries, with your host
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  Speaker 1: Adam Todd Brown. Hey, everybody, welcome to True Crime Sucks,
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  Speaker 1: a podcast about the best and worst of true crime
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  Speaker 1: TV and documentaries. I'm your host, Adam Todd Brown, joining
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  Speaker 1: me as co host for the inaugural episode of this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You know her, you love her? My pretty scary co host,
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  Speaker 1: Cindy Ravina boo.
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  Speaker 2: I mean wait again, Hi?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what we yell at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of this. Maybe I say welcome to True Crime Sucks,
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  Speaker 1: and whoever's co hosting with me just yells no, you suck.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that was a good one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to start the podcast
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  Speaker 1: every time with someone telling me I suck.
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  Speaker 2: But or they can just go it sucks.
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  Speaker 1: They throw up, Yeah, they could vomit. Yeah, like actual vomit.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be the TikTok clip every week. Very exciting. Speaking
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  Speaker 1: of exciting, this is a new podcast from the mas
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  Speaker 1: Are pretty scary. That would be us. Yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 1: trailer out there where I kind of explain the premise.
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  Speaker 1: But if you haven't heard that, despite the title, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't gonna just be us shitting on true crime and
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  Speaker 1: making people feel bad for watching true crime TV and
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  Speaker 1: true crime documentaries. I watch all that shit myself and
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  Speaker 1: I go the extra mile and record a podcast about it,
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  Speaker 1: So clearly that's not gonna be the entire premise of this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I just kind of like the name.
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  Speaker 1: It's a catchy title.
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  Speaker 2: I like that it is, And you know what, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of true crime does suck.
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  Speaker 1: That's the other thing crime sucks. Yeah. Again, I don't
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  Speaker 1: intend to make people feel bad for watching true crime,
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  Speaker 1: but watching true crime shouldn't make you feel good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: If you're hosting a true crime podcast and like throwing
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  Speaker 1: confetti in the air in your promo pictures on your Patreon,
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  Speaker 1: stop it. These are people who die. Almost everything we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about on this entire podcast is going
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  Speaker 1: to be people who died. It is not cause for celebration.
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  Speaker 1: You should not have a top ten favorite serial killers.
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  Speaker 1: That's all a problem. I'm sorry. It's twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: We know better now, it.
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  Speaker 2: Is it is. That's a very twenty thirteen activity.
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  Speaker 1: Very much a top ten. Yeah, especially in the me
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  Speaker 1: Too era. Come on, like, you can't be up in
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  Speaker 1: arms about violence against women and have a favorite serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Like those two things do not go hand in hand.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, it's it doesn't breed good anything. It's sick.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's sick. Like we can obviously talk
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  Speaker 2: about it, but a lot of times the victims don't
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  Speaker 2: get as much airplay as the killers. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: part that really gets me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a big part of why I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do this particular podcast, because something I've learned about myself
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  Speaker 1: over the years is I don't want to necessarily tell
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  Speaker 1: true crime stories. I'm not trying to be an internet sleuth.
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  Speaker 1: I have other podcasts to host. This isn't my entire gig,
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  Speaker 1: but I do care about how these stories are told.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been watching true crime documentaries since I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid. And here's the thing. I'm old, so that
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  Speaker 1: means I've been watching these things since like the mid eighties,
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  Speaker 1: So I have some things to say about true crime documentaries.
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  Speaker 1: And along those same lines, when you hear the title
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  Speaker 1: true crime sucks again, not only are we not just
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  Speaker 1: going to be like exclusively bashing true crime, these first
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  Speaker 1: four or five episodes are all about stone cold classics
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  Speaker 1: like foundational, groundbreaking true crime documentaries, or in the case
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  Speaker 1: of this one, maybe not foundational or groundbreaking. But it's
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorites, and I think it's the perfect
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  Speaker 1: documentary to start with because this is kind of how
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  Speaker 1: true crime should make you feel like you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to come out the other end of the documentary. There's
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  Speaker 1: something wrong with Aunt Diane feeling anything good at all.
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  Speaker 1: It is just tragic, so freaking sad. Had you seen
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  Speaker 1: this before?
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  Speaker 2: Never, No, I've heard of it. I'd heard it was good.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of wish that I knew that it was
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  Speaker 2: the level of sad it was going to because I
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  Speaker 2: probably would have picked not right before bedtime to watch it.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely needed a lot of palate cleansers after this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't sleepy time stuff at all. I would
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  Speaker 1: argue it's one of the weirder true crime documentaries because
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  Speaker 1: it's almost more about grief than anything else. Like there's
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  Speaker 1: one hundred, there's a family that thinks it's trying to
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  Speaker 1: solve a mystery, but they're really not. They're just more
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  Speaker 1: not willing to admit or not ready to admit what
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  Speaker 1: actually happened, which is that Diane Schuler got drunk and
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  Speaker 1: got behind the wheel and killed a bunch of people.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a who done it, it's not a case
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  Speaker 2: of mixed up records. It really is, unfortunately pretty. It's
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  Speaker 2: really really sad, and it's there's no twist. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: There's absolutely no twist.
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  Speaker 1: Not really, but I think that there is no twist
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  Speaker 1: is kind of the twist.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because for a lot of it you're kind of in
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  Speaker 1: not so much in denial with the family, but there's
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  Speaker 1: a little hope there that like, Okay, maybe they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be onto something and maybe this isn't all it seems.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, not really.
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  Speaker 2: No, it leaves you with way more questions than it
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  Speaker 2: starts with, way more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they even the police in this case, like
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  Speaker 1: there's moments of this incident that they just don't know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. Like there's parts where she goes from one
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  Speaker 1: part of the city to another part and they have
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  Speaker 1: no idea how she got there. It's wild. So, like
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  Speaker 1: we said, we're covering There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane
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  Speaker 1: Say twenty eleven documentary. It's on HBO. You can still
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  Speaker 1: watch it there. It's from filmmaker Liz Garbus who has
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  Speaker 1: made some bangers in her day. The Fourth Estate, which
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  Speaker 1: is about the Russia investigation. A Dangerous Son. Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever seen a dangerous Son?
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  Speaker 2: No? I haven't seen any of these.
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  Speaker 1: A dangerous son is excruciating. It's about parents dealing with
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  Speaker 1: like problem children but like but like Johnny's murder problem,
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  Speaker 1: going to kill his sister someday, problem children.
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  Speaker 2: And son, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's one kid in that where his mom calls
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  Speaker 1: to get him psychiatric treatment and finds out that there
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  Speaker 1: are something like three hundred total psychiatric beds in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Washington for kids in the entire state. Nuts,
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  Speaker 1: is that a lot? A little? That's that's very few.
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  Speaker 1: That's way way too few.
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  Speaker 2: Any murdered children out there, I see one like that.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot watch as a person that works with kids.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't need to know any of this.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't exactly, So, yeah, she's made some pretty
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  Speaker 1: noteworthy stuff. This is probably my favorite of everything that
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  Speaker 1: Liz Garbus has made. Premiered on HBO July twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, and it covers an incident that has come
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  Speaker 1: to be known as the two thousand and nine Taconic
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  Speaker 1: State Parkway crash, and oof, the details are rough.
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  Speaker 2: It's so bad, you guys, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think we've already done a pretty good job of warning you.
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  Speaker 1: That is a very sad documentary. But this one is
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  Speaker 1: like Dear Zachary level sad.
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  Speaker 2: If you had told me that it was, because that
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  Speaker 2: is my ultimate Like that one is like ingrained in
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  Speaker 2: my DNA. I think about it pops up and I'm like, no, not,
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  Speaker 2: Dear Zachary. If you had told me that this would
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  Speaker 2: affect me on a Dear Zachary level, I would have like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, you just not watched it before bed,
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  Speaker 2: I'll say that much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dear Zachary is such a touchstone for stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I could take any documentary I've watched back,
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  Speaker 2: it would be Dear Zachary, Yeah, fucks you up.
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  Speaker 1: The only difference here is there's not that like gut
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  Speaker 1: punch in the middle like there is with Dear Zachary,
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  Speaker 1: because Dear Zachary starts sad and then just against all odds,
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  Speaker 1: gets so much sadder.
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  Speaker 2: I'm for screaming in my room watching that, Like.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's really bad this you at least it
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  Speaker 1: starts sad and it stays that way the whole time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't like that initial shock, it doesn't get like
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  Speaker 1: worse after that, which, yeah, is good. I guess if
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  Speaker 1: that's one way.
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  Speaker 2: To put it. It's the kind of thing where I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this feels as sad as deer. Like watching I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this feels quite as sad as dear Zachary. Am I crazy?
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  Speaker 2: And then by the end I'm like, it is as
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  Speaker 2: sad as dear Zachary. I hate this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bummer, and it like right from the
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  Speaker 1: get go, it opens with a bunch of different nine
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  Speaker 1: one one calls about someone driving erradically with kids in
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  Speaker 1: the car, and then there's a text blurb right up
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  Speaker 1: top that tells you what happened, and this is that
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  Speaker 1: blurb verbatim. On Sunday, July twenty sixth, two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 1: Diane Schuler drove the wrong way on the Taconic Parkway
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  Speaker 1: for almost two miles, crashing and killing eight people herself,
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, three nieces, and all three people in the
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  Speaker 1: oncoming vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: It's so much you guys.
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  Speaker 1: What they don'ts there is there was a survivor. Her son,
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  Speaker 1: Brian was also in the car and he survived. But oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: I bet that has been a rough upbringing for him.
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  Speaker 1: He was pretty young when this happened. Yeah, and this
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  Speaker 1: was about thirteen fourteen years ago, so he's probably just
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  Speaker 1: hitting his late teens early twenties.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hope he's doing okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's wild. So Jay Schuler, she's one of
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  Speaker 1: the main family members interviewed in this. She's Diane's sister
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  Speaker 1: in law. She's the first family member interviewed. She's watching
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  Speaker 1: surveillance video of Diane Schuler at a gas station. That
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  Speaker 1: is what's so weird about this is like, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into more of the details as we go along, but basically,
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  Speaker 1: Diane Schuler leaves a campground at like nine thirty in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, yep, by all accounts completely sober with a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of kids in tow, which that part makes me
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  Speaker 1: never doubt that she was actually sober when she left. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care how unhinged this family seems at times.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone in that family would have let
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  Speaker 1: her drive home with all those kids if she was drunk,
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  Speaker 1: because her husband took the dog and the laundry, like
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  Speaker 1: you send that with the drunk person, and also take
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  Speaker 1: that dog, get that dog away from them, like you
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  Speaker 1: send them home with the laundry, and you put the
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  Speaker 1: kids in the car with the sober person. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she was hammered when she left, but hopefully not.
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  Speaker 1: And in this video, there's a couple different videos of
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  Speaker 1: her where she looks perfectly normal, Like, she doesn't look hammered,
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  Speaker 1: she's not stumbling. No one who talked to her said
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  Speaker 1: she smelled like alcohol, and like that carries on until
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  Speaker 1: like close to eleven am, and then by like one pm,
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  Speaker 1: she's drunk and going the wrong way on the Taconic Parkway.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck happened?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot happened between point A and B.
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  Speaker 1: The funeral scenes early on are devastating.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I was already crying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that whil that goes up from the crowd
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  Speaker 1: when they're giving the eulogy. Oh, because again, these are kids,
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  Speaker 1: like Diane Schuler's three nieces were all I think under twelve,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think anyone was. There were no teens
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  Speaker 1: in the car. No, these were children. So five days
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  Speaker 1: after that funeral that they show in the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the documentary, the toxicology results come out and Diane Schuler
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  Speaker 1: had a blood alcohol content of zero point one point
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  Speaker 1: nine percent. That's a lot, and.
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  Speaker 2: The legal limit is point oh eight.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so she was double and then some the legal limit,
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  Speaker 1: which don't do that. Don't drive when you're that drunk people.
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  Speaker 1: She also had a bunch of THHC in her system,
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  Speaker 1: which that's fine. You can drive with weed in your system.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lie. No, please say no.
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  Speaker 1: You can't.
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  Speaker 2: Put the pipe down.
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  Speaker 1: So she definitely was not in good drive in shape
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  Speaker 1: by the time this incident happens. She also still had
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  Speaker 1: unprocessed alcohol in her stomach, which means she was like
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  Speaker 1: literally drinking and driving. Yeah, which don't do that. Also,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no road sodas guys, it's just a cute name.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a thing you should ever drink.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Cargarita's like, oh my god. One of my
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: other podcast co hosts used to get a Mountain Dew
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  Speaker 1: Baja Blast from the Taco Bell drive through and put
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  Speaker 1: tequila in it and then would drive with that in
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  Speaker 1: the car and they called it a car. Don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do any of this these things. So the family
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  Speaker 1: holds a press conference and they say Diane wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: drinker and would never do anything to jeopardize those children, which, again,
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  Speaker 1: you want to believe them, but you kind of don't,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: I at least hope the second part is true. I
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  Speaker 2: at least hope she would never want to harm the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And this is where the family lawyer points out
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  Speaker 1: that this should have been a thirty five minute drive
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  Speaker 1: and it ended up taking four hours, which I think
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  Speaker 1: kind of plays in to what happens.
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  Speaker 2: But all the stops that she had to make and
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  Speaker 2: then traffic, and.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, some of it would definitely be the stops, but
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  Speaker 1: even then, she only stopped at McDonald's and to get
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  Speaker 1: gas or at a gas station. Yeah, so then you know,
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  Speaker 1: then you're adding what like forty five minutes, maybe an hour?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, sh the kids played at the play place,
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be eat like a half hour to forty.
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  Speaker 1: Five minutes, right, which, again, by all accounts, it's perfectly
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  Speaker 1: normal when she was hit at McDonald's. And so they
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  Speaker 1: interview this family lawyer. I get that he's the family
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  Speaker 1: lawyer and he's trying to be supportive, but he felt
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  Speaker 1: a little a little bit like an enabler, like he
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  Speaker 1: definitely wasn't doing anything to dissuade this family from not
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  Speaker 1: believing the science. I guess, Yeah, he.
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  Speaker 2: Was a fucking weirdo. Am I mistaken that? I see
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  Speaker 2: a picture of him with Michael Imperioli in his Sopranos
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  Speaker 2: days as Christopher moulta Santi Okay, I'm glad. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, why are we bringing this?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, presented with zero explanation zero.
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  Speaker 2: But also a lot of the people in this documentary
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  Speaker 2: easily could have been like day players on the Sopranos.
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  Speaker 2: Just gonna throw that out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is New Jersey, so they are
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  Speaker 1: pretty Italian, especially Daniel Schuler, who is the husband of
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  Speaker 1: Diane Schuler and they keep bringing up her relationship with
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  Speaker 1: her mother, which I thought that part was kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: I think it makes sense, and I think at first
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of like, Okay, who cares? But because this
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  Speaker 2: is about grief, it is as much about grief as
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: it is what happens when you don't address trauma and
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: how that can spiral out other parts of your life,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: make you compartmentalize, make you just not take care of
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: yourself because you're just not listening to what's going on
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: with your body. And a lot of times these pains
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: that come up in your body are a results of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: just fucking trauma with nowhere to go.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they do kind of hint that it might
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: have something to do with why no one knew what
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: kind of pain she was in. Yeah, Like if she
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: was capable of keeping this secret about her mom, which
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it seems like even her husband didn't. He did know shit,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: really know what happened with Diane Schuler's mom, which is
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that we find out she just straight up a abandoned
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the family and ran off with the neighbor.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: The neighbor.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like no one who was close to Diane
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: really knew that, which would speak to her. Also, if
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: she had like a really bad tooth infection, maybe she
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: also wouldn't say anything to anyone about it, which I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: mean understandable. But then this happens and everyone's like, what
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the fuck, Diane, We need answers.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And she's not there to give them.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no answers. There are no answers coming.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if this is not about like what happens, the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: worst case scenario, if you don't go to therapy or
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: put your kids in therapy for like really crazy events
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: like this is that documentary.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the day of the crash, the family was
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: on a camping trip that weekend. By all accounts, it
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: was a normal weekend. They weren't like drinking excessively or
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: partying excessively. They had a bunch of kids with them,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: And again this is where I have it in the notes,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: But I really don't I don't think this family would
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: have let her drive drunk with these kids. I don't
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: think she was drunk when she left the campground. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: also one of the kids who dies in the crash,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Emma Hans, who is the daughter of Warren Hans, who
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: is Diane's brother. She called him, she called her dad
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: around nine am, and everything was good. There's nothing weird
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: going on. The woman who runs the campground confirms Diane
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: was sober at this point, so everything seems normal. Daniel
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: leaves in his car with the family dog and the laundry.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: He makes it home in the expected amount of time
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: without incident. Diane was going to stop at a McDonald's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to get breakfast for the kids and also had to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: get gas, and even then everything seems normal. She pulls
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: into the McDonald's at nine point fifty six, looks normal
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: on video. She's not stumbling around. No one noted that
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: she smelled of alcohol or was slurring her words or anything.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: There's another video of her at ten forty six. That's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: when she pulls into a gas station and asks if
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: they have pain meds. Again, looks perfectly normal, nothing out
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of sorts. So whatever happened happened in the span of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: about two hours, because I think the crash happened at
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: one p thirty.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another thing that just popped up. You know
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: people that like it seems like they can drink quite
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: a bit and they just are normal. It doesn't seem
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to really mess with any of their functioning and then
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: they do that one drink that really does them in.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I wonder, because she was such a composed person. Everyone
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: said she was like a boss babe, like, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: get shit done constantly, like spinning her wheels, spinning plates
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: all over the place. I kind of wonder if maybe
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: she was getting pretty sloshed but was just holding it
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: together until she could not hold it together.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's possible. Also, and she was drinking vodka, which
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: they say vodka doesn't have a smell, but you can
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: smell it. Yes, you could smell it, guys, you can
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: smell it a little bit.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: One that mas metabolizes. You can definitely smell it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can smell it coming out of your pores
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: if you drink enough of it. So yeah, it's possible.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: But if she was like a legitimate alcoholic, the family
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: at least paints her as a high functioning alcoholic because
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: she did have kids to take care of. She was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: apparently very good at her job. She made more than
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars a year, which I imagine two thousand
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and nine in that part of the country probably went
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: pretty far bank. So she's doing all right, she's keeping
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it together, So yeah, if she was an alcoholic. She
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: was definitely a secret alcoholic. And so they show Brian
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Schuler in this a whole lot and it's, oh, it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: such a bummer. Yeah, I really really hope that guy
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: is okay now because he not only like they one
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: way they put it at one point is he like
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: lost all the women in his life like that, like
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Fano snapped and all he remembers is Mommy's head hurt
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and that she couldn't see and then he flew out
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of the car like Superman. Yeah, they found him under
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a pile of dead kids.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Dude, woof. I hope his brain erased all that, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: He yeah, yeah, like I've never hoped for just like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit of head trauma so much in my life.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And he got that poor thing, yes, but like he
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: had like relearned like occupational skills.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I hope it got the part that contained the memories
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of this, because those are almost kind of detailed. I mean,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it would be great to have those questions answered, but
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: like not at the expense of this kid.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: No, and you're five, Like you're barely sentient when you're five.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on when I was five.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I loved like bits and memory, bits and pieces of it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: But yeah, on top of losing all those people at once,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: he also has to live with knowing his mom did it. Yeah, right,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that's going to be tough. So yeah, Jackie and Warren
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Hants refused to take part in this documentary, which is
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: very understandable.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost all of their children, right, why would
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: they want to talk about this?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Not only that, but they lost all their children. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: then the other half of the family goes like hardcore
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: into denial mode and is like, no, she wasn't drunk,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: something else happened, and everyone else is just like, come on,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like you know better.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: That's grief.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Though. Yeah, they do interview the family of the people
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: in the other car. That's all very sad. Michael Bastardi
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he was eighty one. He was in the car with
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: his son Guy who's forty nine, and family friend Dan Longo,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: seventy four. So back to this crash. At eleven thirty
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: seven am that day, Diane and calls her sister in
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: law because they're running late and the nieces have play
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: practice that day, and apparently here she still sounds mostly
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: normal because it doesn't seem like anyone swung into action
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: over this phone call.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: If I really but if you're also not looking for that,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you're not going to be like, I don't know, if
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that's not the thing you're expecting from her, why are
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: you going to assume that she's like sloshed? You know?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And what's crazy is it goes from that, which is
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: eleven thirty seven AM to twenty three minutes later, right
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: around noon. A witness that they interview, a guy named
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Gerald Salerno. He sees her driving erratically at noon or
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: right around noon, so somewhere in that short span of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: time something happened. But he also he says she's driving erratically,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: but that she was also really precise about it. She
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't swerving when she was in the lanes. She was
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: just driving aggressively and like tailgating people, honking, flashing her lights,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: but doing it all pretty precisely, which makes me think
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: she was in a hurry choosing pain. Yeah, and so
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: at twelve thirteen pm, witnesses report that she's driving even
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: more aggressive. This part makes me a little upset. One
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: witness almost gets chased off into this rest stop area
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: by Diane Schuler and Diane Schuler follows them into the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: rest area, but they go to the car section and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: she goes to the truck section, and they said it
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: looked like she got out and vomited, and like was
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: bent over with her hands on her knees, and like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: if you saw kids in that car and saw that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: woman get out and vomit, do you guys go check?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because that's what are these the people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: that said that they saw the kid's heads like swing
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: in the back from how erratick she was driving her?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Was that a different couple?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: See, I don't remember, because they interview two couples who taught,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: or two people who talk about this. There's the couple
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: who went into the rest stop area, and then there's
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the guy who which he kind of put it in
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: my head. He was like, Oh, if I had seen that,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I would have confronted her for sure, because I think
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: he's the one maybe that saw kids in the car.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So I don't want to jump to conclusions. I don't
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: recall if that woman who saw her throwing up also
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: saw kids, But if she did, I mean, it's not
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: her fault that this happened, but say something next time
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: for the love of.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: God, it makes me you definitely want to be on
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: a better lookout for that kind of stuff.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Schuler family, again is adamant that Diane
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Schuler was not drunk and that something medical had to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: have happened while she was driving, and you want to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: believe that. But then they interview one of the people
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: who was actually at the scene of the crash and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: they found a big as bottle of vodka in that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: car yep, Which that's an unfortunate detail for the family,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Like that was not.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Even her car. She was borrowing that from her brother Warren.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: That was the three daughters Dad's car.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Oh what if it was his booze? But I don't
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: think it was because no, Daniel Schuler like explicitly said
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that they had a bottle of booze that they just
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: kept there and he was like, I don't know how
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it got to the van.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, eh, Diane took the VAM.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless it was dad's that would that would suck. Yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't think so they don't. I think they
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: would have probably at least implied that. And Yeah, for
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the family, that's a really tough detail to overcome, especially
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: when you couple it with the fact that she had
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: unprocessed alcohol in her stomach, like she was clearly drinking.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Like obviously they bring in someone to do a forensic
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: psychiatric autopsy.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I still am unclear on how and why.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like he was just to like tell
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the family they were wrong about what they were saying,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: because like mine, Bud, Daniel really makes some leaps when
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: he's talking to this guy because he's like, well, what
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: if it was a stroke, like an abscessed tooth that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: could cause a stroke, right, And the guy's like, yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: but we would like see signs of a stroke, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: he goes, okay, but if she had a stroke, then
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: she might have or no, the guy goes, well, what
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: about the bottle of vodka? And Daniel Schuler says something
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: like well, if she had a stroke, maybe she would
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: have mistaken the vodka for water. And it's like, man,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you are reaching.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, reaching. That was hard to watch.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I can, I can sympathize. I understand the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: grief this guy's going through, but I mean I don't
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: understand the specific grief. Holy shit, this is a very
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: very specific kind of thing.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: A comba move of both denial and bargaining stages of
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: grief right there.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not pretty. Yeah, and yeah, this guy talks
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: about how you know, when a family member's being demonized,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the reaction, at least sometimes is to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: go like really hard in the opposite direction and paint
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: them as this complete saint. And that's what Daniel's doing.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: He's like, she never drank. I know, she never drank,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and we find out later they both drank. She smoked weed.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Like he was like law enforcement of some sort.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Oh I never got his job, is he?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I believe so? And I think it came up separate
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: from the documentary, like well, why didn't he report her?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And he didn't have to, Like shit that just under
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the laws at the time, he didn't have to. I'm like,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: fucking good, want people turning in their fucking for smoking
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: weed puritans. Yeah, it eventually comes out that they did drink,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like not necessarily alcoholic levels, but they did drink, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: she did smoke a little bit weed air day, it seems,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: but hey, who doesn't.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: This is also New York twenty thirteen. Like, and Jay,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the sister in law, makes a really big point of
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: being like, well, she would do it only at night
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: if she had, if she was having trouble sleeping, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: only after she would you know, took the kids in,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: did all her stuff, all this, and.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: That I have my suspicions Diane had trouble sleeping most nights. Yeah,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, so what smoke weed? Just don't
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: do it while you're driving with don't do five kids
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: in the car.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Don't be cross faded in the car. No, no, be
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: any faded in the car.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the family meanwhile, is so convinced that they're right,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: they end up drumming up the money to get other
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: toxicology tests done. And for one thing, the guy that
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: they hire kind of like just swindles them out of
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: their money for a little while. Supposedly, yeah, that's what
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: they claim. The filmmakers seem to kind of defend him
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: because they do this text explainer that says exactly what
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: he spent his money on. But like even the family
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: lawyer a little bit is like, I don't know, normally
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that guy's cool. Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The guy's name is Tom Ruskin. Apparently he had
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: helped the family lawyer on some previous case. So the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: lawyer was like, wow, well, this is the guy. You know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: he's going to be tremendous to us and then just
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: kind of never to be heard from again until the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: doc came out.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And even then he tries to get a bunch of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: money out of the documentary people before he'll give up
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: any of the test results or anything that's like that's ethical. Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he's good.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: The guy that went on Larry King live with the family. Oh,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: he's concerned about like money and notoriety and stuff.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Crazy, yeah, whatever the case. The filmmaker manages to get
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: some of Diane's medical records. This is where I think
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: it gets interesting because one of the things they find
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: is that she had a lot of dental issues. She's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: getting treatment for dental issues. In one case, the pain
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: was so bad she like walked out of the appointment,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: which I can't I can't fathom that because then it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: just gonna be that bad forever. When do you go back?
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: What do you do? They also talk about her having
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: an absess tooth, and it seems like she had this
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: absess for a long long time and just like didn't
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: do anything to take care of it. You ever had
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: an absess tooth?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: No? What even is that.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: It's when your tooth gets infected to the point that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like pus starts filling up in your tooth cavity area.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Ah yeah, oh god.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It's super fucking painful. It can cause all kinds of
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: other things. They are right. It can cause a fucking seizure.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: It can make its way to your heart and kill
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you that way. It's a very serious and very painful thing.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And if she had an absess tooth, I don't remember
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: if they said seven weeks or seven months, but either way,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that's a long time. Yeah, very long time. And I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: think that tooth pain is the key here. Someone else
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: brings up a similar theory near the end, But this
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: is what I think happened. I think her tooth started
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: acting up pretty early on in that trip home. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: think maybe when she stopped at McDonald's, maybe she bit
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: into something at McDonald's or during breakfast that inflamed that tooth. Yeah,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and we know that was like nine forty five in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the morning because of the surveillance video. And then about
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: an hour later, which would be you know, enough time
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to eat and let the kids play and gather them up,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: she's at a gas station asking for a type of
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: pain med that they didn't have, which maybe like ambasal
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: something like that that you would put on a tooth
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that hurts. We already know this was supposed to be
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a thirty five minute drive. What I think happened is
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: once she couldn't get the ambasaw, her tooth was hurting
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: so bad. I think she decided to drink to numb
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the pain, thinking, well, it's a thirty five minute drive. Yeah,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: like by the time I get there, like it'll just
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: be kind of kicking in and I'll just go take
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a nap or whatever and it'll be fine. But then
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: there's that call about them being stuck in traffic. I
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: think she drank banking on a thirty five minute drive
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and then got stuck in traffic and was just blackout drunk. Eventually, yeah,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because eventually you're going to hit a point where if
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it's not numbing the pain, you're drunk, you're making bad decisions.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So you drink a little more to see if that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: will numb the pain. And from there, who knows, but
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I think that might be what happened. Like there's no
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: way of knowing for sure, but I feel like that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: tooth might have something to do with it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I mean any sort of pain in your head. I mean,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you've just dealt with this in the last couple months. Like,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I know you didn't feel that needle most times, but
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: when you felt it was it the most, like some
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: of the most excruciating pain you've ever felt in your life.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Like what was going on?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't talked to you in a while. It
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: was more the surgery aftermath.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, that sucked, Like, yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: The needle would sometimes hurt, but it was just kind
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: of hurt, like tooth pain, and like mild tooth pain.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like a deep draw head like numbing pain.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: No, got it. That pain happened after the surgery because
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, to get the needle out, they had to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: cut my face open, Yeah, from the inside, and like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: a wound inside your mouth doesn't just heal like oh,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like that takes steps and care to get that to heel.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I still can't open my mouth all the way. There
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: were moments, like in the days after that surgery where
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the pain was just like all I could do was
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: sit and like I could like watch TV. But even
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: then I was like gripping the edge of the couch
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: really tight and just like focusing on waiting for pain
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: men to kick in so the pain would go away,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: because I like, I still haven't written on my substack
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: since before the surgery, because pain like that, like you think, well,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: it's not your hand, why can't you write. It's like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I can't think.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in your literal head. It's like two inches
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: from your brain.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: It's really bad, really really bad. And that's not with
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: having a seven month old absess yeah, in your mouth,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, I've I don't know if I've ever
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: had an actual absess, but I mean i've hadn't infected too.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Shit hurts.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine letting that just go fester, get worse. Start
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the treatment, stop the treatment, need the treatment. Still, you're
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: working this high paying job, you're taking care of all
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: these kids, You're still trying to have a life and
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: take care of your family.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Trying to get high every night, Yeah.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Just to not feel like you're in excruciating pain all
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the time. I just I if that's what she was
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: dealing with, then of course course it happened this way.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Of course it seems like the most obvious answer to me,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and it obviously doesn't make it right or okay, Oh, no,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: but at least in my head, it's kind of an
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: explanation of why, which it is a better explanation than oh,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, she got angry and wanted to kill
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a bunch of kids, Like I don't think it was that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it was that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: No, her mom walked out in her. She had this
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: life mission to be the best super mom possible and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: never talked about her feelings or her past or anything,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and it got the better of her unfortunately.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so back to the crash. At around one pm,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: she calls Jackie Hans, who is the mother of the
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: three girls in the van with her, and she sounds bad.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: The call lasts around two and a half minutes, and
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: then her brother calls Jackie's husband, the father of the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: three girls in the van, up on the phone with
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: his oldest daughter, and she is the one who says
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the magic words that give this documentary its title, there's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: something wrong with Aunt Diane, Like it's not just that
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: these kids died this way, but clearly they knew they
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: were scared something bad was happening. Yeah, which makes it
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: so much more tragic, Like it's one thing you know
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to be on like a fucking roller coaster and it
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: turns out you were seated wrong and you get beheaded
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: at the end. Like that's that's just life coming at
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: you fast. This was borderline torture for those kids, I bet. Yeah.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: They have no control, zero control.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're they're like they're getting on the phone
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and like trying to let people know that's something's wrong.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: But no, one, this is two thousand and nine. It
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't like, Okay, well drop me your.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Location, yeah, no find by these kids are like, I
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: see a sign that's a sleepy hollow.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. They also mentioned that she was saying she
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't see and this is how you know she was drunk. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: her brother tells her to just stay where she is
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and that he's gonna come get her. Instead of doing that,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: she leaves her phone at the side of the road
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and gets back in the car. So now they can't
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: even like track her phone, if you know, if doing
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it was even possible then, because I mean, I know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: like GPS was a thing, but I don't know if
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it was a thing that was necessarily in our phones
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that much in two thousand and.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Nine, not as instantly and not well, no, not even
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: you had to have a landline to actually be tracked.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Phones were not that sophisticated yet.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she leaves her phone on the bridge
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and then just starts driving all sorts of weird routes
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that are not consistent with her going home, Like if
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: she was going home, she had just gone across that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: bridge for one thing, but instead she like doubles back.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And this is the part where, like police, any investigator
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that's been hired, everyone is like, we don't know, we
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: don't know where she went for like twenty thirty minutes,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: which is weird.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like the Bermuda triangle of the whole thing.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: This is where they interview a friend of hers who
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: talks about her holding her jaw a bunch in the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: weeks leading up to this. The documentary crew gets more
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: of her dental records. This is where they kind of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: confirm that she had that absess tooth. This is also
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: where they talk about how private she was and how
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: if she had that medical issue, it's not necessarily something
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the family would have known about because Diane was a
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: very private person. I don't know how you keep tooth
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: pain private. I certainly could not have kept what was
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: happening in my face quiet, Like you could just hear
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: me groaning if you were here at the right time.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if I wasn't married.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Then no wife to be like oh.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no one, no one to hear me groan
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: on my couch.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: That's also the thing is like her pain just got
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: more and more gradual. You were you came home with
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: like this terrible pain that was not there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Before, right, and with hers, it was probably a thing
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like this where it would come and go yeah and yeah.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: If she like bit down on something and it just
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: like started hurting, depending on how bad it hurt, that's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: going to send people into a bit of a tailspin
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: if you can't get it under control, which is I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: don't know, it seems like what happened. So back to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the crash. Nine to one one calls start coming in
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: about how Diane is somewhere driving erratically with a bunch
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: of kids. This is the one of the most harrowing
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: moments in this documentary because you're hearing all these different
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: family members like making phone calls to nine to one one,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: like hey, you got to find her. She is in
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: bad shape with a car full of kids. One of
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the really sad twists the mom Jackie Hants, could not
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: remember her license plate number. I oh, can I relate
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to that, Like anytime I'm ever asked for my license
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: plate number, I'm like, what am I a car? Why
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: do I need? That's my car's business, not mine, So
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I can. Oh, I can sympathize with that. That sucks, guys.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Just learn it though, come up with anmonic device. Just
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: come up with one.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, figure it out, because yeah, that probably would have helped.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Because again, all the witnesses say Diane was driving like aggressive,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: but not necessarily erratic, So like the cops weren't immediately
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: going to see her swerving or anything like that, you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: would think one of the well, not even then, because
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: it's not like there was anyone behind her when she
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: was going the wrong way, So it's not like any
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: nine to one to one caller at that point could
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: do anything.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: No, it's just a matter of time before something bad
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: happened at that point.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And so Diane's not answering her phone because she tossed
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it out the window and left it on the bridge.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Police to this day are not sure how she made
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: her way back to the Iconic Parkway, like they've had
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: independent investigators look into this, police looked into it. No
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: one knows because she didn't take her phone, so there's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: not that data. Yeah, and whatever two thousand and nine
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: car she was driving probably didn't have GPS in it,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: so who knows. But she ends up back at the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Taconic Parkway almost like kind of right back to where
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: she started.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: And she was so frustrated at that point too, just
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: like I just want to be home and not feeling anything.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I imagine she might have pulled back off to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: like maybe find another place to get medicine or something.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: To put on to her phone.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, and just like got lost.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And so they bring in some doctors to talk about
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that blood alcohol content because that's I mean, we all
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: know point eight is the legal limit most places, so
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: point one nine, that's twice the legal limit, But like
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: what does that mean? Like what in terms of physical
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: effects does that mean? They mentioned that with all that
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: unprocessed alcohol in her stomach, that was going to get
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: in her blood stream pretty quickly. Also, so her blood
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: alcohol content would have started pushing like point two three
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: point two five stuff like that, and that's the point
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: where you start hallucinating and having seizures. Like she was drunk,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: like she was. Put her in a jail cell. Make
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: sure she doesn't lay on her back and let her
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: sleep it off. Drunk. She wasn't, she wasn't driving buzzed.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: No, she was beyond And she smoked weed.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And if she's not a regular weed smoker, that's gonna
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: make things so much worse. Yeah, and even if she is.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this about me, but
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I am a regular weed smoker. You yeah, crazy. And
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: even for me, there have still been times where I've
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: been drunk and then smoked weed and immediately was like,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, idea sounds like a great idea when someone
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: hands you the joint and then all of a sudden
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: you're like, I need to go sit down.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how close are we to the Hollywood Hotel? I
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: need a bathroom that looks like an apartment right now.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And so they said she probably smoked weed about an
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: hour before the crash, So at some point she just
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: pulled over to get hopefully, do you think she pulled
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: over just smoked with kids in the car? Who knows?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So once she finally gets on the Taconic Parkway going
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the wrong way, I can sore to see how in
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: her mind she didn't think anything of it, because it's
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: a multiple lane highway. Yeah, and there's cars coming the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: other way and she's going her way and everyone's just
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know passing, So to her, probably just seemed like
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: she was on a two way road, but she wasn't
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: like people were dodging her. And the way they describe
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: her is that she was like so focused on what
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: she was doing, Like everyone describes her as just like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: laser focused on where she's headed, and when other cars
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: would come close, they would just veer out of the way,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: and she just didn't look at them, didn't make eye contact,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: just kept going laser focused, which I think does speak
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to her maybe not being able to see that well.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in that way.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Like how many of those cars that were coming did
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: she even see before they just pulled off and passed her.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: So to her, that probably in that state just looked
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: like regular traffic, and she probably thought she was going
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the right way.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Especially if she was already driving aggressively and you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: trying to make people get out of her way. She's like, okay, well, great,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: people are just getting out of my way now until
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: the truck with the guys.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. They Eventually she collides with that suv carrying
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the three gentlemen we mentioned earlier. She apparently was going
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: around eighty five miles an hour when they made impact,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: so that anyone survived that is shocking, absolutely, Like, I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: don't know how that kid survived.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: That's I wonder where he was sitting.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I assume he was just strapped in to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: the back of the car the way back. Yeah, yeah,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: because there's a minivan.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe he went out the back.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So, yeah, the crash happens in the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the filmmakers, I mean, they're being obviously very patient with
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the Schuler family because it does start kind of getting
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to a point where everyone knows what happened, but just
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: these two are not willing to admit it, Like they
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: want it to be that she had a stroke or
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that she had, you know, some kind of medical thing,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: but she would not have gotten drunk like this, And
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, she did, like she did, she got drunk,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And so the filmmakers at one point bring in a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: separate medical examiner to look into Diane's medical records, and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he tells him the autopsy was correct, it seems. And
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: this is where Daniel Schuler starts talking about, well, if
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: she had a stroke, maybe she mistook that vodka for water.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, dude, no.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: No, that's the case, then you don't drink that water
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: quote unquote again yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And I've again, being fresh off of some pretty severe
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: tooth pain. At no point was I like, oh, I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: know what I need water Like water is bad. Like
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: if you have toothpain and you hit it with some
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: fresh cold water out. No, that's how they test how
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: bad your tooth is. Oh god, in some cases they
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: will put cold water on it. So yeah, in any
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: other documentary that line would have been funny kind of,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: but in this not really. But me and this pathologist
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: are kind of on the same page. He also mentions
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: that he could picture if this was a thirty five
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: minute drive. He could see her just pounding a bunch
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: of vodka, thinking all right, I'll make it home and
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: the toothpain will subside and everything will be fine. He
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't mention the traffic delay. I think that's what people
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: are leaving out. Yeah, I think, like, who knows her
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: plan might have worked if not for that traffic delay.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Who knows, But yeah, I agree with him that it
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: was probably that she's probably numbing her toothpain.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I mean it had to be. Then the heartbreaking part
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: when he is like I because they're like, well, what
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: if we like take the results to another lab and
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: he's like, I mean you could, but I don't know
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: that you'll find anything different, and he's like, I'm gonna
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: like cry.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: There are several moments in this that are hard to
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: talk about in that way. I was just gonna throw
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: another one out, which I don't know if that would
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: help you any situation. But when they're interviewing the WHOA.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: The witnesses at the end and they're talking to that
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: guy who found Brian, but was.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: God, what a way to start this one.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: You guys that sucks. Do not watch this documentary. Trust us.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: You don't do this on your conscience.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe don't. I was talking about trying to revive one
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: of the girls and he goes, oh, I just wanted
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: her to wake up, and then he like just looks
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: off camera and goes, she wouldn't wake up. Why did
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: we start with there's something wrong with aunt Diane.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Because we're sick.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Pick it up in your local red box today.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Oh you guys, uh you will. I needed several long
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: hugs from my husband after this. I just walked into
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: our office, like, Babe, that was terrible.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Hold me. Yeah, and it like it's the kind of
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: thing you can watch it and get mad at these
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: people if you want, because they really are dragging this
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: situation out in kind of an unpleasant way for everyone
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: else involved, including their own family in a lot of cases.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: But again, this documentary, I don't know if we've said it,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it's about grief more than anything else. And this is
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: such a unique and infamous and historic kind of incident
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: that like none of us know how we personally would react.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Like you can have had death in your family. I've
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: had death in my family, like a lot of people have.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Like no matter what you've been through, you haven't been
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: through this. No.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: They were approached six months after this to make this documentary.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: This was fresh, This was fresh when it came out.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, you're you're really seeing them go through it,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and the whole time you want them to be right
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: like you want. And the thing is, there is a
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: medical condition that can kind of cause what the family's
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: talking about, which I didn't find out until years later,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: it's called auto brewery syndrome. And what happens is bacteria
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: in your gut forments and literally turns into alcohol. And
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: you're just like home one day and all of a
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: sudden you're hammered, and you're like, what the fuck what happened?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: But it's very rare, and at least in the cases
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I read about, you don't get that drunk. You don't
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: have like six ounces of unprocessed alcohol in your stomach
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever. It was, like she just she made a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: really bad choice and you know it, like you see
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the family go through it. And you also have to
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: take into account of thing we haven't mentioned, like people,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like they're one of the articles the family's reading early
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: on in this is the people You'll Meet in Hell,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and Diane Schuler was on the list. Like I mean,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: in the eyes of most people who heard about this,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: she was just an irresponsible criminal who I think most
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: people probably would have preferred to have survived, so she could,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: you know, go to prison for her crimes, but that
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: didn't happen, So it ended the way it ended. And
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: this documentary is what we got out of it, and.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: It's really it's really more about how you just you
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: don't know, you don't know what these people are going through.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: They had to say all the stuff about her mom leaving,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: about how she was the only girl in her family.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: She had to take on that mom role, even when
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: the mom did want to reconnect years later, the brothers
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: all had a relationship with her, but Diane held on
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: to that resentment. She didn't want that relationship. She was done.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a heavy documentary. There's not much follow up
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: to it, Like the stuff about auto brewery syndrome came out,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: but I don't think anyone ever even tried to connect
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the two because that's clearly not what happened here. Like,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: other than that, these people aren't coming back. True crime sucks.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and this is I mean, is this even
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: categorized as crime? I mean, she was breaking a law
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: by driving drunk, but.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it, I think it counts.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, accidental accidental true crime.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she definitely committed a crime, that's for sure.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, the fact that she died in the
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: act of committing that crime makes it a little different,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: but still a crime. Yeah. Fuck dude, and uh yeah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: somehow the next episode is way more lighthearted and it's
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: about and genocide that happened in Indonesia.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Ah ya yai.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: So uh I think we made it to the end
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: of there's something wrong with Aunt Diane. See, that's what
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: we're saying. True crime is supposed to make you feel heavy. Yeah,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't come out of a story like this, no
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: excited to do some internet sleuthin or anything like that.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: All I want to know is that Brian is okay.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I'm scared to look. I'm so scared to look.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I doubt he's I'm sure he's probably inherited
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: some of that sense of privacy from his mom. God.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I hope so in the years since this happened, because yeah,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: he's going to have to read all that shit on
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the internet about Diane Schuler too.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: He was in therapy at the time of the day.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: They made a big point of saying that.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and at first he wasn't.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: He wasn't.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I was so mad at Danny for saying that his
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: son wasn't in therapy and that if he wanted to
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: talk about it he would. I was like, fucking no,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: make this child process this.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am glad they got him some help
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: by the end of this, and now me and Cindy
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: are off to go get some help after having watched
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: this documentary.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna smoke weed after this for sure.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Oh I've been smoking weed this whole time. I got
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: nowhere to be so Cindy, thank you so much for
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: doing the first episode of True Crime Sucks with me.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I promise next time you're on, we'll talk about something
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: a little less devastating.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I need a DZW next time, a Dear Zachary warning.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there needs to be a Dear Zachary badge
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: that we put on episodes like this.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Trust, trust, you don't need to know.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: If you don't know, I don't know. I don't think
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: we have anything to plug. This feels like a weird
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're listening to this podcast. It's a new podcast.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Please like and subscribe and don't cry.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're usually very you know what, And we got
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: some jokes in where we could. Yeah, we make a
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: lot more jokes in our silly little lives normally follow
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: us and all the things.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I forget. There is one line at the end,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, do this where they're here? We go
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: where they're interviewing the witnesses to the crash, and one
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: guy goes, there are people at the scene who are
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: on the phone with nine to eleven. Like, you said
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: that wrong, buddy, you met nine one one, not nine
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: to eleven.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But he was a New Yorker. We'll give him a pass.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was a nice, little lighthearted moment there
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: at the end. I appreciated it. So, yeah, that's our episode.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Uh, thank you so much for a listeners. We do
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Cindy, do you have anything to plug?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, if you don't already follow in all social media's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: at Cindy Arvina Junior. That's junior like in j R.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: And Uh. I think that's it. Let's get out of here,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Cindy say goodbye, bye bye, goodbye everybody.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: We love you.