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Pete & Tony Review State of the Jaguars Organization | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, November eighteenth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: and now a guy who probably won't get a word
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  Speaker 1: in edgewise tonight j P check.
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  Speaker 2: We are back.
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  Speaker 3: It is Jaguars Happy Hour, Monday November eighteenth. The aftermath
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  Speaker 3: of the Detroit debacle. Fifty two to six the final score.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a busy two hours ahead. What's next for
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  Speaker 3: this Jaguars team? Well, bye week is next. No changes
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  Speaker 3: as of right now. Keep it real as.
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  Speaker 2: We always do. In the second hour.
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  Speaker 3: Fanatics, fan questions, there are plenty of those today and
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  Speaker 3: they're still streaming in. And we'll go around the National
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  Speaker 3: Football League. Let's hear from Jaguars head coach Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 3: both last night and today, starting after the game end
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  Speaker 3: Troit asked immediately about his job security.
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  Speaker 4: Mhm m m hm.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, listen, I've been I've been around this
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  Speaker 5: league a long time, and you know, if it's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 5: it's gonna happen, obviously. But but at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: I still have a job to do and and and
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  Speaker 5: that's to you know, you know, get ready for a
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  Speaker 5: you know, a good division opponent here in two.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks, and then today asked by Mark Long of the
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  Speaker 3: Associated Press, who told mister Cohn it was the best
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  Speaker 3: roster ever.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not privy to those conversations that Sean has or
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  Speaker 5: who's who's he talking?
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  Speaker 4: I just I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I can't answer that it wasn't you.
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  Speaker 1: It gets a lot of play.
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  Speaker 3: This time of year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. I mean you know we talked.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we talk a lot. I mean we pre preseason, offseason,
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  Speaker 5: I mean going into the season. You got high expectations
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  Speaker 5: obviously for your football team, as you should everybody does,
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  Speaker 5: start of camp, start of the regular season. And you
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  Speaker 5: know rightfully so.
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  Speaker 3: I said coach Doug Peterson today full press conference at
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube JP Shadwick with Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame left tackle Tony Boselli in studio. Pete Prisco,
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  Speaker 3: CBS sports senior writer with US down in South Florida.
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  Speaker 3: The Jaguars are now two and nine, guaranteed a losing record.
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Pete.
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  Speaker 4: Draft talk, draft talk. It's time for draft talk.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, they're not mathematically eliminated.
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  Speaker 4: Yet Pete, Oh my god, you're holding on. You're holding on.
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  Speaker 6: It's hard to argue Pete's position at this point, even
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  Speaker 6: for me, since we right now we have the number
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  Speaker 6: one overall pick in the NFL draft if the season
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  Speaker 6: ended today, So it's hard to argue Pete's logic.
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  Speaker 2: But I'd like to hold out as long as I
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  Speaker 2: absolutely we got all off season for that. Man.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, never in my wildest dreams did I think
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  Speaker 7: I'd see the most embarrassing day in a Detroit stadium
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  Speaker 7: other than the knee. But we saw it on Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: That was worse. Yeah, it was worse. It was far worse.
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  Speaker 7: It was the most embarrassing loss in the history of
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  Speaker 7: the franchise. There was no resistance, there was no offense,
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  Speaker 7: there was no blocking, there was no tackling. They did
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  Speaker 7: not one thing, well, nothing other than kickfield goals.
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  Speaker 4: And that's it. I mean, it was terrible.
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  Speaker 7: And Tony, I mean, nineteen eighty five, nineteen ninety five
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  Speaker 7: in Detroit is now taking back seat.
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  Speaker 4: To the ninth.
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  Speaker 7: The twenty and twenty four Jacksonville Detroit game. You must
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  Speaker 7: feel good about that, h.
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  Speaker 2: No, I've been I would have been fine.
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  Speaker 6: Our expansion team having the worst loss in the history
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  Speaker 6: of the organization. You kind of would expect that for
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  Speaker 6: an expansion team. And you know the shocking thing yesterday
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  Speaker 6: I was talking to a buddy of mine, he's who
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  Speaker 6: didn't see the game, and he was asking what happened,
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  Speaker 6: and he said, well, how many turnovers did you guys have?
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  Speaker 6: I go zero? He goes, what you have it? Fifty
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  Speaker 6: two with no turnovers of it? Like, how many kick
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  Speaker 6: returns did they have? Or special teams?
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  Speaker 2: I go zero.
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  Speaker 6: Seven straight drives open the game, seventh straight touchdowns for
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  Speaker 6: those drives, Pete, they did not have a third down
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  Speaker 6: on them. I mean, it was complete utter domination. And
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  Speaker 6: that's the hard part it was. It was never I
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  Speaker 6: mean I thought that Detroit line is a probably gonna win.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they were the better team. They're the best
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  Speaker 6: team in the NFL in my opinion. I've been saying
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  Speaker 6: that for weeks. And we are not a confident team.
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  Speaker 6: We're not a team playing very well or without our
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  Speaker 6: starting quarterbacks. So, I mean, you know, it's a tough
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  Speaker 6: place to go play against a hot team, well coached,
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  Speaker 6: well built, has an identity, they know who they are,
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  Speaker 6: and they're playing well right now, so it.
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  Speaker 2: Was an uphill battle.
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  Speaker 6: But just to get I mean, that's like a college
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  Speaker 6: game that's like this, that's like Alabama playing Mercer Troy State.
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  Speaker 2: Right type of score.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, really, I mean that's what it is. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: they didn't show up. I mean, and I thought it
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  Speaker 7: was I thought it was gonna be bad. I didn't
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  Speaker 7: think it would be that bad. I thought it would
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  Speaker 7: be like thirty eight to six or but this is awful.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just pathetic.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, look, you know, you guys know how
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  Speaker 7: I feel about change, and it should, it should and
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  Speaker 7: it will come, I think in the organization.
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  Speaker 4: But when you fire a guy in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the season.
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  Speaker 7: Does that really accomplish anything? I mean, seriously, what if
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  Speaker 7: this to say they did?
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  Speaker 4: What is that?
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  Speaker 7: What is it gonna make it any better? Is it
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  Speaker 7: gonna the last six games of the season. Are they
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  Speaker 7: going to rally and and win a game or two?
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  Speaker 6: And I think the only thing, Pete, and I'm not
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  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna you know you, I've said from the beginning,
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  Speaker 6: our job on this show is not the higher fire
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  Speaker 6: or anything else. So but in general, if you look
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  Speaker 6: across the league. I think, Pete, you're right, it does
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  Speaker 6: not accomplish a lot as far as development of the
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  Speaker 6: team or wins or losses. Because it does. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: at this point it matters to the guys in that
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  Speaker 6: room as players you want to win because losing stinks.
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  Speaker 6: It matters to the coaches. I mean, so I'm not
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  Speaker 6: saying it doesn't matter. But at two and nine, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: let's say you win the next six, you're probably still
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  Speaker 6: not going to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: At eight and nine, maybe you have an outside chance.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows you're not You're not low problem shows you
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  Speaker 4: you might win. Yeah, I don't care.
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  Speaker 7: If no, no, no, I agree, morph into one.
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  Speaker 4: They wouldn't win one.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I want to talk because there was a question
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  Speaker 6: that at press conference again about play calling. We can
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  Speaker 6: talk about that. I want to talk about that later
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  Speaker 6: because you know what set that aside. Back to the
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  Speaker 6: question that you asked, Pete, what is it accomplished? I
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  Speaker 6: think the only thing accomplishes it's the question and stop.
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  Speaker 6: That's what That's the only thing it accomplishes. So that
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  Speaker 6: that which is is you know, of covering this league
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  Speaker 6: can become an utter distraction in the locker room, you know,
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  Speaker 6: in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone asks in the same question. It gets asked.
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  Speaker 6: Every day, every week, over and over again. So the
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  Speaker 6: only thing you accomplished by making a change mid year
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  Speaker 6: is that you don't that questions off the board and everyone.
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  Speaker 7: Knows already know what you know what I would do?
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  Speaker 7: I would just I mean that I've made that. I've
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  Speaker 7: made that point on my platforms at CBS over and
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  Speaker 7: over again.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I would do. I think it needs
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  Speaker 4: a refresher across the board. But I'm not going to
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  Speaker 4: sit here and just say is I'm firing him. That's
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  Speaker 4: not my decision.
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  Speaker 6: But you know what I would No, I know you
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  Speaker 6: and I know that, Pete, But I'm just answering your question.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's the only thing it accomplishes. It doesn't
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  Speaker 6: people say, well you get a head start on find
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  Speaker 6: your next coach, do you not? Really, because the rules
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  Speaker 6: are set. I mean, unless you're going to go hire
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  Speaker 6: a guy who doesn't currently have a job, but you're still.
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  Speaker 2: Going to win the process.
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  Speaker 6: You're still gonna go through the process after the season
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  Speaker 6: have to rule, and so yeah, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 7: I've never asked this because I looked on their ticket
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  Speaker 7: thing doing. Don't the letters go out.
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  Speaker 4: For money renewals.
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  Speaker 7: If you if you're gonna renewal, you have to let
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  Speaker 7: them know by the end of December if they're gonna
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  Speaker 7: take it out of your check.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's something.
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  Speaker 2: There's something coming. It happens every year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a letter that.
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  Speaker 7: Goes out to people who currently have season tickets. It
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  Speaker 7: goes out in the next couple of weeks and they
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  Speaker 7: have to decide by December twenty something whether they're.
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  Speaker 4: Going to renew and have that money continue to be
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  Speaker 4: taken out.
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  Speaker 6: Of There's there's a renewal process that happens around this
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  Speaker 6: time of year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the exact date. I don't know when
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  Speaker 2: I looked it up.
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  Speaker 4: I looked it up. It's by December.
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  Speaker 7: You have to they'll get the letter and then you
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  Speaker 7: have to opt out or opt in. Right, No, you
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  Speaker 7: have to opt out. If you don't opt out, you're
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  Speaker 7: still in. That means you're you're going for That's basically.
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  Speaker 4: What it is.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly.
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  Speaker 7: That table, that timetable's out there, and if you're if
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  Speaker 7: you're the owner of the team and you're looking at
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  Speaker 7: that that's concerning. I mean, that's a concerning you know,
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  Speaker 7: time frame right there, because right now and you guys
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  Speaker 7: are in the city.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not.
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  Speaker 7: But I get a lot of pushback on X from
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  Speaker 7: the Jaguar fans. They're done, they're done, and you guys
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  Speaker 7: live there. I'm sure you hear it a lot more
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  Speaker 7: than I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, every day, all day, all the time, twenty four
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  Speaker 3: to seven.
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  Speaker 6: But Pete, but you know, so I think the the
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  Speaker 6: question stop, and I think there's always business reasons to
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  Speaker 6: your point. You bring up season tickets. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: when we're going out with renewals. I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 6: that date is, and I don't know when the drop
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  Speaker 6: dead date is. There's a lot of different things coming
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  Speaker 6: up for this organization, set aside what's happening on the field,
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  Speaker 6: just because with the new stadium renovations, there's going to
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  Speaker 6: be obviously in twenty twenty seven, it's gonna be limited
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  Speaker 6: capacity twenty six or twenty six excus twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Six, limited twenty seven, they're.
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  Speaker 6: Out, twenty seven, they're out twenty eight. Is the new stadium,
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  Speaker 6: thank you, JP. And so I think there's there's all
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  Speaker 6: kinds of mechanics. I think it's going to be you know,
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  Speaker 6: we'll see you know. I know the business side has
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  Speaker 6: a strong strategy and a plan of how they're going
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  Speaker 6: to do it. I don't know what it is in detail,
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  Speaker 6: but there's no doubt about that. That has to weigh
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  Speaker 6: and you have to think through that because I think
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  Speaker 6: the fans have spoken, at least what I see on
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  Speaker 6: X and what I hear in the community, the fans
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  Speaker 6: have spoken. Now there's an argument too that you got
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  Speaker 6: to like fans are passionate and you can't make decisions.
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  Speaker 6: Every decision is just based on the cry of the
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  Speaker 6: of the crowd. But it's also a business that you're running,
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  Speaker 6: and you want people in the stadium and you want
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  Speaker 6: to sign season you want season tickets, and you want
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  Speaker 6: to packed house.
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  Speaker 4: It helps.
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  Speaker 6: It's important for this organization. It's important for the city.
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  Speaker 6: It's important for the product on the field when it's
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  Speaker 6: it's a better product when the stadiums filled with your
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  Speaker 6: Jaguar fans. So those are all things that you have
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  Speaker 6: to look at when you're evaluating where you are as
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  Speaker 6: an organization. And I said it at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the game yesterday, I said it, this Morning with Dan
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  Speaker 6: and Jeff on ten ten, listen, I think when you
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  Speaker 6: go through a season like this at two and nine
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  Speaker 6: and we have an owner in shod Con who gives
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  Speaker 6: every resource possible to this football organization to be successful,
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  Speaker 6: whether it's signing free agents, signing long term deals with
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  Speaker 6: the players that you want to build around, facilities, the
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  Speaker 6: way we travel as first class. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 6: a first class organization from a business standpoint, and the
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  Speaker 6: resources that are given, there's no doubt about that. And
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  Speaker 6: when you go through a season like that, after the
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  Speaker 6: expectations and the investment made in this organization this offseason,
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  Speaker 6: the last several offseasons, from facilities, from players, and everything
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  Speaker 6: else in coaching staff, and you have a year like
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  Speaker 6: you do and then it kind of it almost feels
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  Speaker 6: like a accumulation of a bad year coming into the
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  Speaker 6: by losing fifty two six to the lines yesterday, and
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  Speaker 6: I think you have to evaluate everything. I think you
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  Speaker 6: have to look at the entire organization from a football side.
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  Speaker 6: And the danger is, I think, is saying well, if
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  Speaker 6: we just do this, everything's gonna be fine, or just
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  Speaker 6: do that or whatever it is. I think you got
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  Speaker 6: to step back and I know, everyone's you know, fans
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  Speaker 6: are screaming and people want blood, and I get it,
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  Speaker 6: and I appreciate our fans, so they're passionate.
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  Speaker 2: They love this organization.
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  Speaker 6: They want a winner, and trust me, and we all
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  Speaker 6: want a winner and we want to deliver a winner.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the right thing to do is that
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  Speaker 6: you got to step back. You have to evaluate everything,
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  Speaker 6: how you do things, leadership, positions, every player, development, every
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  Speaker 6: aspect of it. Because something's not working correctly at two
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  Speaker 6: and nine and losing the way you did and playing
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  Speaker 6: the way you've played this year, and I think obviously
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  Speaker 6: just you know, and I don't no one's doing this
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  Speaker 6: putting our heads in the sand, I mean and saying okay,
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  Speaker 6: well just it'll be okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the answer, though, And so the.
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  Speaker 6: Answer is taking a hard look and looking at evaluating everything.
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  Speaker 6: And that takes time sometimes, and I know people like
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  Speaker 6: want the immediate, and.
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  Speaker 3: There could be different answers that come out and there
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  Speaker 3: could be hey, maybe there is a path that they
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  Speaker 3: can get out of this thing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but guys, and I'm going to give shod Con
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  Speaker 7: credit for, like you said, Tony facilities, that that's not
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  Speaker 7: an excuse anymore. They got a beautiful facility, he's getting
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  Speaker 7: a new stadium. Give him credit for that. Give him
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  Speaker 7: credit for the money he spends to keep guys around,
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  Speaker 7: Give him credit for the money he spend to bring
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  Speaker 7: in all these free agents.
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  Speaker 4: You got to give him credit for all that.
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  Speaker 7: But if there's one fault that he has, it's that
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  Speaker 7: he's too damn loyal to his people at times, and
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  Speaker 7: that's part of the problem. Look, I think he's a
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  Speaker 7: terrific owner, and there's a perception outside who the heck
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  Speaker 7: wants to go be a coach in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 4: Or a general manager, anybody, anybody.
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  Speaker 7: It's a great organization to work for, it's a great
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  Speaker 7: owner to work for.
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  Speaker 4: But you gotta be real about it.
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  Speaker 7: He's done a lot to make this team competitive and
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  Speaker 7: giving him every available asset he can.
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  Speaker 4: But he's too damn loyal.
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  Speaker 7: He's always been too loyal, and I think that's part
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  Speaker 7: of the problem.
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  Speaker 4: And until they start wising up to that, then everything.
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  Speaker 7: Else he does is going to be minimized because he's
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  Speaker 7: too loyal. So you know, and I'm not the only
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  Speaker 7: guy saying that, and I know a lot of the
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  Speaker 7: people in that organization feel.
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  Speaker 4: That it's time for changes.
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  Speaker 7: And at times you sit there and say, well, what's
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  Speaker 7: the common denominator.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's one common denominator we know of.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, Doug was asked today who told Sead
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  Speaker 7: Cohn he had their greatest roster. I could give you
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  Speaker 7: an idea who told him. I mean, if I'm the
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  Speaker 7: general manager, I'm telling them it's the greatest roster we have.
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  Speaker 7: That way, if you don't win, who's ultimately responsible the
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  Speaker 7: coaching staff is not me.
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  Speaker 4: I gave you those players. I gave you this roster.
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  Speaker 4: Look how great it is.
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  Speaker 7: So, I mean, loyalty is good in business and sports sometimes,
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  Speaker 7: but sometimes it goes too far. And I think that's
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  Speaker 7: the one fault I have with Shot.
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  Speaker 6: Con Well, I'm Peter. I mean, I I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 6: I have no idea who told Shot about the roster.
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  Speaker 2: I really don't two weekals four?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, Pete, I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we all hear rumors, we all hear said
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  Speaker 6: Doug doesn't jug says it wasn't him, So I'll take
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  Speaker 6: him a face.
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  Speaker 4: So who else would say it?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: Who else could say it like that?
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  Speaker 7: But I would have let keeting a man from down
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  Speaker 7: the road or something one of the Channel four cameraman
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  Speaker 7: told him that or something.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, who told him that. But I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 6: this also, I think you're the only way you get better.
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  Speaker 6: And this is anything in life. It starts with being
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  Speaker 6: honest with yourself. And this is anything. So as an
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: individual or as an organization, you have to do an
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: honest reflection. You have to take responsibility for what you
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: are and who you are and the results that are
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: being produced, because you can't fix anything until you do that.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: And that's what I'm saying, Pete, is like taking a look,
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: an honest look at who we are. Like Doug talked today,
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: he said, that's not who we are. I disagree with that,
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: because you are who you reckon. You're a two to
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: nine football team and you have blown out and embarrassed
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: in Detroit.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: That's who we are.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: I know. I don't like it. I love this organization.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: I don't like it, But you have to be honest
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: with yourself. That's who we are right now because you
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: can't fix anything until you're honest. And the reality is
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: is we've had too many losing seasons here over the
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: last fifteen twenty.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Years, and the only metric that matters in the NFL.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: This is a league full of analytics, and analytics have
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: a great place and it tells us so much about
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: the game and individuals and players in situational football. I
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: love it. Let me tell you. The only analytic that matters,
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: the only metric that matters. That's a W in an
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: L at the end of the day, because that's what
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: we're all judged by. And that's what I love about
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: professional sports. It's one of the things people ask me,
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: what do you miss about playing in the NFL? Miss
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: the locker room, missed the guys, miss the paycheck, good
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: paycheck playing for professional football? Sure, but you know what
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: I miss is the finality of it. You understood at
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: the end of every week, whether you were successful or not.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that's my value as an individual as
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: a person, all that stuff set that aside, But the
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: end of the day, as a team and then as
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: an individual player, what I put on and whether we
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: want or loss, that's the metric that matters. That's what
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: matters the fans, that's what matters at the end of
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: the day. That's what up to I'll promise you this.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: You know what seod Con cares about. He wants to win.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: He doesn't spend all his money to lose, and so
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: that's what I'm saying. And Peter, I'm not disagreeing with
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: whether he's too loyal or not or whatever, but the
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: bottom line is an organization, you gotta be honest where
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: you are, and right now, where we are is not
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: in a good place.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Right now.
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: It's the worst season in the history of the franchise
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: based on expectations, and it's not close.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: All right, We've got plenty ahead. We were often running
• 18:41
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• 18:45
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• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I can feel it.
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  Speaker 8: Very disappointed, very very angry. Today was not our day
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: at all. No pays of the game, and we got
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: a lot of work to do. Especially well, we got
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: a buye week, so everybody hopefully get give fresh. Come back,
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: divisional game, come back important winnings. We gotta win. But
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: right now, man, the feelings are, you know, be angry
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: and but we gotta gotta buy week.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Josh heinz Allen after the game in the locker room
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: at Ford Field and a Jaguars loss fifty two to six.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: The final score the largest margin of defeat Jaguars history,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: largest margin of victory in Lions history, most net yardage
• 20:05
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• 20:09
  Speaker 3: six hundred and forty four yards of offense. They've been
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: playing football now for ninety five years, ninety one of
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: those in the city of Detroit. They were in Portsmouth, Ohio,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the first four years of their existence. Total yardage the
• 20:22
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• 20:27
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• 20:30
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• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, Tony, let's get Tony's microphone on. Yes, Oh, sorry, there.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: You go, Pete picking up what I was, how we finished?
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's the first step. I mean,
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: you got it. You got to take an honest look
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: of where you're at, where you are, I mean, because
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: it's two and nine, but you also lost six to seven.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Finished the season, yes, thirteen out of sixteen, right since
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the eight and three started.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Three and fourteen?
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, a year ago, this a year ago, this
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: week they were isn't this when they were surging for
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: the number one seed?
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Wasn't it? What was it? What was it?
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: The day of that eight and three, they eight and
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: three going to Monday night against the Cincinnati Bengals against
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: a backup quarterback with no uh and they we lost
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: a high scoring game, I think thirty four to thirty one.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Thirty four to thirty one. That was December fourth week thirteen.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: So you're coming up on a year where you were
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: the you were the number one seed basically with a
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: chance to be the number one seed. It's just to me,
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: they are a variety of reasons that this team has
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: fallen off a cliff.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: You know, the injuries a bit a factor. Obviously with
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the quarterback.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: That's always going to be a factor when he's hurt
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: at the end of last year.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: Okay, injuries are always a factor in this league, Pete.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: Everyone has injuries.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Quarterback.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Quarterback is big. So you can look at the offense.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: But we had all eleven We have all eleven starters.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: No injuries on the defensive side that I'm aware of
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: that any starters missed or key backups missed the game
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: against Detroit.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Am I wrong about that? JP? No, I don't think
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: you are. I think you're right.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: Everybody was there, so I mean if you think, I
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: mean after we were gett blown off the ball.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: So the quarterback is a big deal, no doubt about that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: And not having Trevor hurts and so you and so
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: you can make as you evaluate the offense. There's some
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: understanding of why you're struggling on that side of the ball.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: But it wasn't like we were lighting it up when
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Trevor were better. But we're not lighting it up when
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Trevor was at the quarterback, and so I.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Agree with you.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: That's a major, major loss, no doubt about it. Losing
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: Christian Kirk a loss big. We were without Tank Bigsby,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: but technically he's your backup running back. Okay, but if
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: you look at the health of this team overall, take
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: the quarterback out. Weave that aside. Because you lose your quarterback,
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: that's trouble. But this is I mean, it's been a
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: fair I mean, you were fairly on the defensive side,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: you were healthy. Now guys have bumps and bruises. But
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: guess what this is. This is where I have a problem.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Everybody has injuries.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Which is why Doug talking the way he did today
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: was weird.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: That's what I understand.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's given him an out. How it's sore and
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: tired and whatever. I mean.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: Okay, they go to London. That's different than what everybody
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: else does. But give me a break. It's not like
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: they're going to London and flying over and flying back.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: They're there for eight days, nine days or whatever. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: from what I understand, you guys are still at a
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: luxury resort. You roll out of bed and you practice
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: on the field. Right next to the place.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Uh is it? Is it a change of the schedule
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: going to London for two games? Sure, But last year
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: the narrative coming out of London is how good it
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: was for this team because it brought them together and
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: it was a positive talk.
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: At the physical and practice and stuff. What compared to
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: the old days. Bodies are beat up now and week
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: in week eleven because of the practice early in the season.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: But Pete, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a different tactor
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: because I don't like compared to the old days, because
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: there's no comparison. It's a different look, it's a differently.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: But here's here's my problem, Pete, Are we doing anything
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: different than anybody else?
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: No, my guess is and teams probably don't have as
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: long a practice as and hit as he does. You know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: there's some teams that still kind of condense it a
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: little bit. His practices are kind of long.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: But there's also guys who who are much more physical
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: in this league too.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: He's probably in the middle.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: That's my point. I'm not like the middle of the road,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: is my guest.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: I don't know, there's no scientific fact, but my point
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: is everybody's sore right now.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Everybody's beat up.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: Everyone has injuries.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That's the league injuries.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: They were missing there one there players and broke his arm.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, and they were out of Hudson. I forget
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: about that exactly.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: Their best defensive player was out. Yeah, guess what they're
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: dealing with it. That's my point. You can't like to me,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: And this is where I go back. You gotta be like, listen,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: you are who you are. We all are as an individual. Like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: there's a set of things I'm dealing with, and guess
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: what I own it. I'm responsible for At the end
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: of the day, I gotta face it and I got
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: to deal with it, and I gotta make decisions and
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: I got to figure out how to get better as
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: an individual. That's no different than an organization.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: I don't care if you're it's a family, it's an individual,
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: a business on a business. Right now, you got to
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: look at it like what do we do?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Well, what do we do?
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: We gotta get better here? Whose fault is it? It's
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: my fault, Like I own it. It's got to get better.
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Part of that equation that you're talking about, that kind
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: of staring them right in the face, because it stared
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: them in the face on Sunday that Lion's team was
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: bad for a long time. And if I'm not mistaken,
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: their rebuild started right about the same time.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: And look where they are right now.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: Well, just to give the history there, Pete, to be accurate,
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: because you're right, by the way, in twenty twenty one,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: we were both looking for head coaches, big head coaching search.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: We hired Urban Meyer. We had the first overall pick. Correct,
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: They hired Dan Campbell. They had the second overall pick.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: They went on their path and journey we went on ours.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: We met on the field yesterday. The result was what it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Was met on the field in twenty twenty two.
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: Also, by the way, is it is a big, physical,
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: tough football team on the offensive side, particularly, and they
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: the quarterback.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: Has a coach who plays to his strengths and knows
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: how to get him into the plays that need to
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: be made.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, let's be real.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: When they put Jared Goff in there, the whole idea
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: was he might be the stopgap quarterback to somebody else
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: they go get and he What Ben Johnson in that
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: group and Mark Brunello have done with Ben with Jared
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: Goff is incredible.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: You make it easy on them because they're physical in
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the run game.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: They can play action, they can get him outside on
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: bootleg and that's that offense. Okay, James and Williams can run.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: Aman Rossaint Brown is a good possession receiver and a
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: guy who does a lot of good things in the
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: middle of the field. But they they're physical upfront, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: it goes back to what we always talk about, Tony,
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: there's only so many big people on the planet who
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: can play the position. They have good tackles, a great
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: tackle at light tackle, a really good center. Zeitler looked
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: like he was Zach Martin in his prime on Sunday,
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: blowing guys off the ball, and Glasgow, who was terrible
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: last week, by the way against the Texans, actually look
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: good on tape this week. That's how bad the Jyras are.
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: But that line is good and it's all predicated off
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: of those five.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: The whole thing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Jared Goff's good because they can run it. They can
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: run it because those guys are good. They can hit
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: those shots down the field that take time because they
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: can protect them. That's the reason that's a good offense.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Pete.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: You know how I feel. I mean, I'm a broken record.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: I mean the way if I had a nickel for
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: every time, you build it front to back on both sides,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: and the toughness of a team is driven by the
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: offensive line.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It's always been like that every team I've been on.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Provided you have the quarterback, you have to have the
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: quarter No.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying the overall toughness, the physicality.
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: But I mean, like, if you had five really good
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: offensive linemen and a crappy quarterback, you're.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Still not winning.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying you're winning, but you can be physical
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: right the quarterback.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: Okay, but I'll give you an example. Put mac Jones
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: on the Lions. They ain't winning, okay. And by the way,
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: and by the way, Tony, your whole theory before the season,
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: maybe he plays and you can trade him for you
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: get something.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I was probably wrong trending the right
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: direction the current.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Does he even put the ball in play down the sideline?
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, what is he doing?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: He had a rough day.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Let's come back and we'll get a little deeper into
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that quarterback conversation around Trevor Lawrence and his left shoulder
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: injury and the bye week and the week's remaining in the.
• 29:39
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't look at anything.
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  Speaker 10: I don't have social media, so I just focused on
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  Speaker 10: the guys in the room and lean on my family
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  Speaker 10: and my sports stuff, and I really have enjoyed the
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: people that I've worked with this year. Coach Peterson's awesome.
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: It's a great coach, and obviously it's not going our
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: way right now, but he's He's definitely a great leader
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: of men, and we're gonna keep working and figure it out,
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: and I think the bye week is a good opportunity
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: to do that.
• 30:39
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  Speaker 3: Well that was Mac Jones two straight weeks as a
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: starter for the Jaguars. We go into the bye week now,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence and that left shoulder injury. I'm sure we'll
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: be reevaluated and we'll see moving ahead coming out of
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the bye week. If he can play, if he's healthy,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: does he play? If he's not healthy, what do you
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: do moving forward?
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: A lot of questions, Well, let's start, let's start there
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: and we can talk about Mac Jones.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: In a bit.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: Let me just say one thing, but Mac, I wish
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: it was going better just because he's Jacksonville kid, Jacksonville guy.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: Shouldn't him a kid? A man? Jacksonville guy, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: so you're always rooting for the home town individual to
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: have success, and it just has not gone well blest
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: couple of weeks. It's not all it's not all on him, obviously,
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: it's the team not playing very well.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's it's too bad as far as Trevor.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: We don't really even know the severity of the injury,
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: and so I think the philosophy should be moving forward
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: is you make whatever decision is best for the organization,
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: and what's best for the organization is having a healthy
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence for the long run going and especially going
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: to next year. We talked about this a couple of
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: weeks ago, because we don't know the severity, but if
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: it's a severe injury where he does need surgery, even
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: if he can play through it at this point, but
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: he needs surgery in the offseason, I think you have
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: to have a long conversation with Trevor, his camp, your team, doctor,
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: doctor Kaplan. I think ownership needs to be probably involved
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: in that. Sure, obviously the coach, the GM, everybody, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: you need to look at it and say what's best
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: for the organization, what's best for Trevor, because those things
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: should be aligned number one. He's your franchise quarterback. You
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: paid him a quarter of a billion dollars. He is
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: going to be here and he's going to be taking
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: snaps from hopefully for a long time.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And at two and nine.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Right now, again, as a player, you got to think
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: about winning the game and all that kind of stuff,
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: no doubt about. They're to be focused in fighting through it,
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: not thinking about next year. But I think as a
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: leadership you need to look at the long run at
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: the same time because of where you are right now,
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: and you have to look at the risk of what's
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: the risk of injuring it? Further, what does that mean
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: anytime you step on the field, there's risk of injury.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: So but now he hasn't an acute injury, and.
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: What pattern it's a pattern injury because it's the same
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: one he had last year.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And if it's something that needs surgery, do it now.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: Aren't we better off doing that right now so that
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: he has a healthy offseason so that we can be
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: ready for next year. Because what you don't want to
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: do is fight through it and maybe you get a
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: couple extra wins because Trevor's your quarterback, But now it
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: impacts all of the off season, which impacts next season,
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: and you can't.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I just don't think you can do that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: And so that's by the way, Tony, if he had surgery,
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: that also speeds up I mean, it speeds up the
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: timetable for whoever does if they do make a change,
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: which they probably will, on what he can do with
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: the in you know, with the new offensive minds and
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: the new and the new system. Because if he has
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: surgery after the season, then he's going to be down
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: for a while. Yeah, so I think I think in
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: my mind there's if he needs surgery, and we don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: know that, but no idea. But also he didn't get
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: surgery last year and he had the same injury again,
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: so maybe he does need surgery.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Do you know the injury because I actually don't know
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: the exact injury. I just know it's a left shoulder.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's a labor a joint. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: don't know what it is.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's an AC joint.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: But but either way, if he needs the surgery, and okay,
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: let's just say a year ago. I'm not a doctor,
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: but he didn't have the surgery a year ago, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: he heard it again, and so maybe surgery fixes it finally,
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: once and for all.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: And if that's the case, go fix it and come back.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: Everything's new. Next year, it'll all be new. He's gonna
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: probably be learning a new offense, and you'd want him
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: healthy learning a new offense. What's the point of him
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: playing through an injured shoulder with a team's two to nine.
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: There's no reason for it, zero other than the fact
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: that maybe he's a competitor. And I get it from
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: that standpoint, but I think rational minds would sit there.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: And tell him shut it down and have the surgery.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: If you do need surgery, and if there's a surgery
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: that can fix it once and for all, he certainly
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: should have that surgery.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Well, let's say this if for the other side of
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: this thing, if he's rested for two weeks, almost three
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: weeks and comes back and it's improved and it's getting
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: healthier and it's trending the right way. I mean, if
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: he's healthy, in theory, you should play, right, absolutely, But
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: here's the thing.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: It goes back.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: If he doesn't need surgery and he can, it's gonna
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: heal on its own. Yes, you play when you're healthy
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: that's what you get paid to do.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: We're not going to protect a guy who's healthy for them.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: That's not how you do it. My point is is
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: this is where you almost have to take it. If
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: he needs surgery, you got to take it out of
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Trevor's hands almost because he is a competitor. I know Trevor.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: He wants to play, he wants to be out there.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: He's a tough he's a tough kid. He's a and
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: again I just keep on say kid, because there's so
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: much younger man. He's a tough dude. He is like
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: he wants he's a grinder, he wants to be out there.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: And this is where it's about. It's leadership, and this
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: is where the organization has to come. Step back, get
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: his team, get the doctor, if you need a second opinion,
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: get your you know, ownership, GimC everyone, and what is
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: best for the organization. What's the best for Trevor. If
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: he needs surgery and it's gonna make him healthy and
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: this isn't gonna be a reoccurring injury, then let's do
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: it now because that's the best thing for the organization
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: based on where we are right now. If it is
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: something that will heal on its own and there's no
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: surgery required, then he goes out there once he's healthy
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: and ready to go.
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: But if it's the same injury that he didn't have
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: surgery on last year and it happened again, then obviously
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: that would be an issue too going forward.
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: Well, people, we don't know. Yeah, I'm just saying, but
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: that's a doctor's decision. A doctor has to tell us, saying,
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: tell me the prognosis.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm probably not one doctor. He'll probably get multiple.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, you've invested a quarter of a billion dollar in
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: the most important player in your organization. You're starting quarterback.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: Shut it down, Shut it down, Shut it down.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure I agree with you, Pete. You got
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: to find out what the what is the prognosis, what's
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: the injury? We are Pete, I agree one thousand percent
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: on If it is an injury that needs surgery to
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: heal completely.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Then you do it now.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: If it is something that will heal by itself, then
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: when he's ready to go, he plays.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: But here's the other part of that sort. He played
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: through something last year.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: He played through that last year, and there was some
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: theory that he should have played through it, and that's
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: part of the reason they went and got mac Jones
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: because they didn't like what they had CJ. Bether and
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: so he forced himself back out on the field too soon.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: But there's risk with that too.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: There is pete. But this is where it's about the
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: leadership of the organization, stepping back and making a leadership.
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: An organization is the owner because the other guys might
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: not be here.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: So I think I said ownership should be involved in
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: this decision.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I agree the.
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: Should make They should make the decision in concert with
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: him and his representatives and his family.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: And the doctor.
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• 39:56
  Speaker 3: There were a couple positive yesterday guys, think of one two.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: In my opinion too, the specialists were really good yesterday.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: The kicker Cam Little hit a fifty nine, tied a
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: franchise long. I was opening driving than the punter.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna interrupt you. I can't do this, but
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: I can't go back to an era where a favorite
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: player and the guy who performed every week was Josh Goby.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I refuse, I'm not doing it.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: I'm not like Cam Little's great, great fifty nine year
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: congratulations we lost fifty two to six.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I like Logan when you're pumping up special team.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: Logan Cook is a great punter. Guess what, I don't
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: want to hear about it, right because I've been a
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: part of this organization since nineteen ninety five, sans two
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: years at the Texas I was still a Jaguar at
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: hard and.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: I what you want playing?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good point.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you reminding me. Yeah, I'm gonna tell
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: a story about that because it goes back to Trevor Lawrence.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: I mean finished this point. First is the there was
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: a time here where Josh Gobe was the best player.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: Well that's everyone, That's all anyone.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Talked about in the two thousands.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like, I don't want to do that. Nothing.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: I love Josh, great guy, great golfer, good guy, fun,
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: Cam Little, I don't know, heck of a kicker, good rookie,
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: Logan Cook, stud maybe one of the best athletes on
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: the team. That can we not talk about that?
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: That's the turn game has been pretty good too, so
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: give he Farr has done a nice job with that group.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: He far was a good coach. They're producing. I don't
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: want to talk about that when we lose fifty two
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: to six one if they just kicked extra points and
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: didn't they didn't count their touchdowns, they would have beat us. Correct,
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: Let's let's not talk about that's not a positive to me.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is a positive one sense. But I just I.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Can't like, are there any positives? Uh?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Listen, Brian Thomas Junior is a good player.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Travon Walker was actually a decent player on Sunday.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's guys who play hard.
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: He plays hard. He was physically matched up. I mean
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: that's a tough tackle. He's matched up again player. Yeah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: and and there were a couple of decent plays by
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: Hines heinz Allen. But yeah, those are good for the
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: most part. Those two guys have been playing all year.
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: But that's the problem. They're only they're the only two
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: in a lot of situations.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the three first round picks, by
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the way, Brian Thomas and the two edge guys.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Pete, going back to your what you were taught because
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: you hammered the home. The you hammered home the point
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: at the end of the last segment that ownership needs
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: to make a decision about Trevor Lawrence and then.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: You know, be part of it. Be part of it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but have a loud voice.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: Correct, So I'm not so I thought about this when
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Pete said I didn't play because he's right at the Texans.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: My shoulder was trashed. And I remember I was trying
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: to play the first year I was there. I couldn't
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: lift my left arm above my waist. Basically, I made
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: them make me a brace where I could have my
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: arm up so I could pass walk. And I tried
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: to practice the first nightmare and it was so miserbized
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: and so much pain. I practiced. I tried, and I'll
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: never forget. I got called into a meeting. It was
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: Don Capers, who's the head coach. It was the team doctor,
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: it was Charlie Castley, the GM, and the head trainer, Kevin.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: Oh gosh, this the manor Kevin and the owner Bob McNair.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: We're in this big office for big conference room, big table,
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: and we're all sitting around there and I was like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: I felt like crap number one, because I'm there to
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: play football. It's the thing I love to do, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: my body was just the surgery wasn't working, and and
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: I didn't know what I was walking into. And we
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: sit down and Bob McNair, who since passed away. The
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: first thing he says. He says, listen, I want to
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: hear the only thing I want to start with what
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: is best for Tony Biselli and him getting healthy and
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: him be able to play here. That's all I want
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: to know. And ultimately it was Bob McNair's decision of
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: how we what steps we took next. Now much different.
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: I wasn't the franchise quarterback. They had invested two hundred
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: and fifty million in me or nothing.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: What did they tell you to do?
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: They told me, Bob mcnarre says, we're gonna shut him down.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Let's go do another surgery. So I had a third surgery,
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: trying to repair the damage that had been done and
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: and to rehabit and try to come back and be
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: ready for the off season, which I went through the
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: off season, and the shoulders obviously never came back. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: never even got back to fifty percent strengthen it, and
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: uh it's that was it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: But I did.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: I'll never forget that. It was the only like I mean,
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: I Bob, I team around, I mean, mister McNair, I mean,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: team around is very nice.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: But I got called in the meeting.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: He was sitting at the head table and he was
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: making the decision because it was an important decision for
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: the franchise.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm going, and this is.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: What jefnee surgery. They need to do the exact same
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: thing to him.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think in whatever Shod style, it doesn't
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, that was mister McNair's style.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: That's how he did.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: It's fine, But the principle is the same. There's certain
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: big decisions for an organization and this is one of them.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: He's our franchise quarterback, and I think it's an organizational decision.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: And obviously the head of this organization is the owner,
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Shod Cohn. And so my guess is I he should be.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: In doctor doctor Trevor Lawrence, owner go in the room
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: and they have to decide what's best for him.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: Well, but I think you should have you should have
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: your trainer in there, you should talk about the rehab trainer.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: You should have I mean yeah, But my point is
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: there's certain decisions.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Should the coach and the GM be in there.
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: That's a Shod con decision.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Right, I mean, you knew when you went in, Charlie
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: going to be there. They were going to be there, right.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: It was year one.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: The expansion that's what I mean.
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: They we're going to be there. That's different, and so
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: that's why it's a different scenario. But there's no doubt
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: that shod Con should be involved in this decision.
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: In my guess, Pete and I don't know this, my
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: guess he is. I just think this is such a
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: big decision because Trevor, I guarantee you knowing him and
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know him super well, but I know him
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: well enough that dude's a competitor. And all you have
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Is look what he did last year was putting himself
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: With shouldn't have played a couple of those games, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: so barely practice, could fairly practice, right, That's right.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: So that's a big decision coming up. We'll see.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: We've got plenty ahead.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: One hour down, one hour to go. We'll keep it
• 47:08
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• 47:12
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• 47:15
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• 47:19
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• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I think you.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Gotta be really, really careful when you start pointing fingers
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: at certain people. It's a dangerous thing, and I'm not
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: gonna do that not doing it, not right now, because
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: that's as a head coach in this league that's going
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: through what we're going through. You're you're you're pointing a
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: finger and if it's going to be pointed and pointed
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: at me, start with me, right.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: So that's enough on mat That's head coach Doug Peterson
• 48:09
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• 48:12
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• 48:14
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• 48:17
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• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Tony Boselli, Pete Prisco Lions fifty two Jaguars six, the
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: worst loss in Jaguars franchise history, on a day that
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: reports Sworld pregame of possible changes pending the result of
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: that game, status quo as of right now going through Monday.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: The Lions scored touchdowns on the first seven possessions and
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: scored on all eight possessions before the kneel down in
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: their ninth and final possession of the game, and a
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: massive margin of yardage difference one of the largest in
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: league history, the most yards ever gained by the Lions
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: in ninety five seasons, their ninety first season in the
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: city of Detroit, the second most allowed by the Jaguars ever,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the most in a non overtime game. And the Jaguars
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: are now guaranteed a losing record this year or their
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: ninth loss two and nine overall record. The bye week
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: coming up this week and then six games to go.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: That about sums it up. Doug Peterson spoke with the
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: media today. The locker room was open as well, and
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: so we move forward into the bye week, and those
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: are the final availabilities of the week, by the way,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: and the Doug Peterson went today and the locker room today,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: no locker room tomorrow.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: So that's where we are.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they closed it down for the week. They're done, right,
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: They come in tomorrow and barely do something, then they're done.
• 49:41
  Speaker 10: That's it.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: He gave the week off.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yep, that's what he said today.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, nothing like nothing like regroupment after a loss.
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: I did it. I did Pete. I did appreciate. I
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: liked that how Doug handled that. Everyone wants blood. They
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: fire Ryan Nielsen, fire press tail or, fire this person.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna do it.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not pointing fingers he was asked about.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: He pointed himself, and you gotta give himredit for that.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I give a ton of credit.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he could have.
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: I mean he's laid out people before in an indirect way,
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: but and some of his players at times.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: But he handled this one the right way. I thought.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: I thought he handled it. Said, look at me, I'm
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: the head coach. Blame me. So there you go, blame him.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, the.
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: Messages ultimately falls at the foot of the foot at
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: the head coach.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: It always does.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Well, that's how this league works, Bete.
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: You know that, of course, of course, and and you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: look when things fall apart to this degree, it's a
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: bunch of reasons. It's the roster, it's the injury to
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: the quarterback, it's the head coach, and and who he
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: brought in to be his assistance. I mean, it's all
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: it is all tied together. But you know, the whole
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: thing with the greatest roster in Jaguars history, I mean,
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: give me a break.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: That was foolish to say. Then whoever told them that
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: it was foolish to say?
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: But you know, because there's been some good teams in
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: the history of this franchise, and believe me, I've been
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: around it since the beginning. There were teams that were
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: a lot better than this on paper going into the season.
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: And that's why when those comments are made and it
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: gets to this point, I mean, that's when you call
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: it the worst season in the history of the franchise.
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, I thought they would be a playoff team.
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: I didn't think they'd win the division, but I thought
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: they'd be a playoff team.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Tony, you thought they'd be a playoff team.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: Well, I think what we talked about, Pete, if we
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: can go back, I can't remember it. I thought the
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: ceiling was eleven, the floor was seven, and I thought
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: we because we talked about it all training camp, it
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: was they didn't make huge.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Changes from last year.
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: And if you look at the free agents, really the
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: only impactful free agent, in my opinion, is miss Morris.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: MHM at center.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: By the way, gave Davis done for the year now
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: the niscus injury, yep, unfortunately.
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: And so but yeah, I thought they would be what
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: I what we said on the show is the season started, Pete.
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: If you remember, I thought they'd be playing games in
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: December with a chance to win the division and go
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: to the playoffs.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought, like, that's like, that's who
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: this team was.
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: It's because I thought Houston was good and I thought
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: going into December, you'd be fighting to you know, be
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: a neck and neck race to win the division in December.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought. I was wrong. I did not
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: I did not see it actually be a and this
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: would actually if you were ready good, this was a
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: year to be good because the division isn't that good.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: No, but I we all thought it was going to
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: be good and it's not.
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: I want to go back to the best team ever
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: comment that Shod made and just because I'm almost positive
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: he was referring to the best roster since he's been
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: the owner.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Correct, but that's not what he said.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: But that's what he meant, I believe, And fairness to Shod,
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: and I don't know who told him that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: Well, whoever told HiMAT told him he was probably the
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: best roster they've ever had, and he doesn't know.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: And it's unfair to say Shod was referring back to
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: the team in the nineties or early and so I
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: want to make sure because he gets a lot of
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: heat for that comment. I'm not saying I agreed with it.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying, let's put in the proper context of
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: what I believe he was saying is he's been the
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: owner for thirteen years now, I believe, and in the
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: thirteen years as a owner, he felt like it was
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: or whoever told him that it was the best roster
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: that they've.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Had, and that was a lie.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: Pete, I'm uh, even if it was true, I don't
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: like the comment.
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, but are they better than the Okay,
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: the team that went to the championship game?
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Is it better than that team?
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Twenty defense?
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: And the offensive line isn't as good as that offensive line?
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: No?
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: And the quarterback's better?
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Quarterbacks better is the running backs?
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Four? Nette was pretty good that year?
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Was that year. Receivers are better on this.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Roster, but as a whole, that team was better. And
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: that's not counting any of the teams.
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: And if you want to go back to like the
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: Del Rio teams, that what the Pittsburgh wanted the playoffs,
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: that those teams were better. And when to go back
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: even further, you go to your teams, they were significantly better.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: So whoever told.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: Him that sold him a back of goods, because he's
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: not going to make that statement on his own.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: He's just not. He's not.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: I've been around Shot enough, and I don't know him well,
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: but I've been around him enough to know that he
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: wouldn't make that statement on his own without somebody telling
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: him that. Yeah, I have no idea, and soever told
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: him that probably told him it's the best roster in
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: the history of the franchise. But that person doesn't know
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: because I haven't been around long enough. So to criticize
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: Sean for saying it. Should he have said it?
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: No?
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: Should he have said it based on what the He's
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: saying something that somebody he trusted told him and that's why.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: He believed it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: And whoever told him that didn't do the coaching staff
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: any favors. So I mean, think about that. If you're
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: the coach of that team and they come out and
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: they say it's the greatest roster that this franchises ever
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: have and you're two and nine, or you're even when
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: you're two and four or whatever they were, that blame.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Clearly goes to you. So again I go back, I
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: don't know who told them, but I have an idea.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Yes you do, Yes you do.
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: I don't, Pete, I don't.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I don't like to speculate.
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: Speculating, speculating and assuming gets you in trouble.
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think it was his that he went
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: with it, do you. I don't think Sean's barber told
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: him that and he went with it.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's captain.
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: Did his boat captain tell him, Hey, seod I've been
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: around football a long time.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: I know him. You're a boat captain.
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: But by the way, you know, this is the greatest
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: roster we've ever had in the history of the franchise.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna go with that. I'm gonna go with that.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: Maybe it was, let's see, boat captain, boat mechanic. Maybe
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: he told him. Maybe he was a boat mechanic, who knows.
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: Maybe it was somebody in the bumper industry, who knows.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: But whoever it was, he trusted him. He trusted him.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: But I guarantee you none of those people know that.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: And whoever told him that didn't know what he was
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: saying either.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: He was only trying to make himself look better.
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: Figure it out anyway.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: So anyway, by the way, mister Chubby's food option today.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: No good, mister Chummies.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: One of the guys at the bar.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Told him, you never know, uh, mister Chuffy wings before
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: the game, after the game, and during the game the
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: chicken parm sandwiches.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Tonight, Pete, right up your alley.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Oh lovely, Pete.
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: How was your diet and weight loss? Weight game during
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: fatball season? Fat ball season impacting you?
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Nothing? Have a game to pound you.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: My scale broke at the house, like, not broke, it
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: ran out of battery off. No, no, no, the batteries
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: ran out. I haven't replaced them in like ten days,
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: ten days ago. I was fine, although I did have
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: a feast in Detroit, a feast.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: Were you Were you with Fragie when you had the
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: feast because he put his on Twitter.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I was at the same restaurant, but not eating with Frank.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Oh you were probably getting sponsored free food.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like that absolutely.
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you what I ate six thousand calories.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: You probably ate steak and vegetables and good calories.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, there were some bad calories in their two peas.
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: There might have been some massed potatoes and cheesecake and
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: peanut butter cake.
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: And like if I talk to people, they bump into you, Tony,
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: like in the press box whatever.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: And I talked to them after the fact, they go,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: oh my god, you don't even they don't even recognize you.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: How skinny you are.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel good. I've been It's good.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: But no, you know the other thing, because I listen
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: back in the day, the year of the Detroit Lions
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: went oh to sixteen, I was working for Fox on
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: the bottom crew. So you know how many games I
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: did Detroit Lions that year, quite a few of them.
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: And to see that stadium rock the way it is
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: now is remarkable. That place is humming, and that city
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: is excited, and it shows you. And this is why
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: this team is so important to this community, into the city.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: It really changes things. When you have a winning team,
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: it changes the community. It changes the excitement and energy.
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: And you could feel it in Detroit just being around Saturday,
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: and I mean, people are just excited. I went to breakfast,
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: I went to breakfast, got up early and went to
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: breakfast with Mark that morning before the game, and there
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: was a line outside the place we went. Thankfully he
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: got reservations. But everybody we're in Detroit Lions gear, I
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: mean just pumped, excited and so winning matters. It matters
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: for the organization, it matters for the city, obviously your
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: fan base. It's a big deal and you can see
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: it happening right in front of our eyes. And what
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: Detroit's done and how they've changed the entire narrative. I
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: mean my whole time. I mean Sands, the Barry Sanders
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: years where they were kind of middle of the road
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: fighting for wild card spots. Most of my life, the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: Lions were like the doormat.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, most of my life. I'm a lot older than you.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: They've been a doormat.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: And they changed it. They've changed the narrative that place.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: They've changed the perception.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: And Jyguar fans have cat envy because the Lions. The
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: Lions have done it in four years. They've done exactly
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: what you're supposed to do, is flip that organization completely around.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: When it can be done here, Pete, it can be
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: done here.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: When when eight and one is the best start since
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty four, that tells you real Bobby Lane was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: the quarterback. Doak Walker was the running back of the.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: The Curse of Bobby Lane for all those years. Remember
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: that's what they could. They've they've over unless they win
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: it all. Though the curse of Bobby Lane lives on,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: this team is capable of winning it all.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: I just wish they had Hutchinson. If they had Hutchinson,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: they could win it. I think they'd be the is.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: Or isn't there a chance he can come back for
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: the playoffs? Play super by the super Bowl? I think
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: got it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Imagine running out of the tunnel of the Super Bowl
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: in New Orleans, first game back.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: What if it's Detroit Buffalo in the Super Bowl.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: Can you imagine one fan base is finally going to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: get their misery ended?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Think about that?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Putting ahead, let's come back. We'll keep it real. We've
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: been faking it for an hour and fifteen minutes.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Until right now, or at least a couple of minutes
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: from right now and a little later. Fanatics, fan questions.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: We'll go around the National Football League as well. After
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: a Jaguars loss in Detroit fifty two to six, the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: final score in Week eleven, it's Jaguars Happy Hour presented
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: by mister Chubby's Wing.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: I'll say this, and I told the team this today.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: I told to him after the game that the team
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: that was out there yesterday that was not us. That's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: not who we are, that's not who stand for. There's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: enough pride in that locker room, enough pride on the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: coaching staff to whether we win, you know, whether we
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: win the game or not.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Right how we.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: Performed, it's not who we are. It's not who we are.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: It's it's not how I coach, it's not how.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: We prepared during the week.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: It's not how the players practice and what they put
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: their bodies through.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Said coach Doug Peterson earlier today and the full press
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: conference at Jaguars dot com and Jaguars YouTube. It is
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour, JP Shadwick with Hall of Famer Tony
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Busselli and CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco time for
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Keeping it Real, presented by Nobody. And we get into
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: the defense today. They gave up over six hundred yards
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: of offense yesterday. They entered the game last in the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: league in total defense, and of course that just got worse.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: But there have been moments in.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Recent weeks where they've kept this team and this struggling
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: offense at least with an opportunity to be in a
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: game late. However, they're still giving up four hundred yards
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: doing it. So they're last in the league or near
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: the bottom, and most of the important metrics they're downs
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: total defense, past defense. How do they come back from
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: that kind of effort?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: Where are we at time of possession? Because oh gosh,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: I bet we're way down there. I'll check it anyway.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I'm just curious, how do they come back from that
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: kind of effort, especially on defense and results Sunday? Or
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: is this kind of what it's gonna be down the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: stretch or is this what to expect moving forward from
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: the defense?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: Peter, I'll let you take the first shot.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: Well, if you don't get off blocks and you're not
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: physical in the middle, you're not gonna you're not gonna
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: win time of possession. You're not gonna be able to
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: rush the pass or the way you should be able
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: to rush the passer. And you're gonna give up a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: lot of big plays off of play action.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: And that's what they do.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: They give up a ton of big plays and this
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: defense gets run on.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, I tweeted out a picture. I don't know
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: if you guys saw it.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: I mean I could have got on my hands and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: knees and crawled through there for a yard.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's incredible.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: And then it was all game long, the interior middle
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: part of that offensive line just got pushed back and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: pushed back, and he got bodies on They got him
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: on double teams back to the linebackers, and the linebackers
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: couldn't get free and make plays. It was awful. And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: then when they rushed the passer, they didn't do anything
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: up the middle ever, and they haven't all season long.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: The problem of the defense is right up the middle,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: all the way up the middle. It starts with those
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: interior defensive linemen. You go to the linebackers who have
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: been inconsistent all year long. Devin Lloyd spins around, unknowing
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: where he's going. When it comes to pass coverage. You
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: know that Gibs wheel route. I think that was on him.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: I'm not one.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: Hundred percent sure, but I think it was.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: And then the safeties, So you go right smack down
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: the middle of the defense all year long.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Bit a disaster.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: By the way, Jaguars hees thirty second in the league
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: in average possession time on offense, So twenty five minutes
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: fifty three seconds they possess it.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: So in the league. Yeah, and so.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: Yes, the defense did some kept them in the Minnesota
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: game with the turnovers, no doubt about it. They scored
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: on defense in the Philly game. But I think we'd
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: all look at those games and say, Okay, they hung
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: in there, they fought, but they're still in the field
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: way too much. That's a combination of them not getting
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: off the field in the offense, not be able to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: put any drives together. So it's not all defense in
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: that one.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: It's a complimentary issue.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: It's a complimentary issue. For the longest time they couldn't
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: get any turnovers. I still think we're near the bottom
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: of the league in creating turnovers. Outside the Minnesota game
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: where we had three.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars are now tied for twenty fifth with eight takeaways.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so we're near the bottom quartile of turnovers. And
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: so I think this is a defense that create has
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: a problem. Give him a ton of big plays. It's
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: been since the beginning. You look at that Miami game,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: it was big plays that beat them. They have a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: problem getting off the field on third down, and they
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: have a problem taking the ball away, and so you
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: put all that together.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: The third in the league is worse than the league
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: in yards for completion against.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: But that's eleven point five. That number is terrible.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: But you know what it's been the last three games
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: twelve point nine.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Think about that. Every completion average is twelve point nine.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: That's just awful.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: First down is still ten yards last I checked?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah? And so it is it a schematic issue? Is
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: it Ryan Nielsen, how he's coaching it, how it's designed.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: Is it a personnel issue? I think you have to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: ask questions about the defensive tackles and what we've done.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: There no doubt about it. The safety play has been
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: questionable this year.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Or one of your defensive tackles is play an end
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: and he's not playing it?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, fair, it's a fair when when you know.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: His most of his pressures that he's gotten this year
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: have come on the inside.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: Yes, he's a much better pass rusher. I mean, in
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: my opinion, Eric Armstead should be your nickel three technique.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: Anytime you're a nickel, he should be playing three technique.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: But couldn't he be a three technique in base two?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't play at his age ten years coming off
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: an injury. Pete, you're playing nickel sixty sixty to sixty
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: five percent of the time first and second down in
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: base personnel, I would not have him out there. But
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: in any Nickel situation he's out there, he should be
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: coming off the end. I mean, this week twelve, we're
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: still worry about last year's injury. I'm just saying, the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: way we rotate players, if he's out there sixty percent
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: of the time, that'd be a lot.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: Well, and in hindsight, they got Armstead and didn't get Campbell,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: and that.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: Was a mistake because Kalais Campbell's been playing good football
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: all year.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: Klayus Campbell, seventeen years, he's playing, still playing good.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: For the first stamp of the season, he's in handcuffs
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: two hours earlier than he sacks Trevor Lawrence the first
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: play of the season.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: Let me get ap Let me give you the top.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: Let me give you the top five players in past
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: rush win. We eight at the from the defensive tackle
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: position this year. Number one, no surprise, Chris Jones.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Right, he got locked yesterday, by the way.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: Okay, be a good player. Number two Zach Allen from Denvers.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: He's been a steal for them in free agency from
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: the Cardinals.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: Number three Kalais Campbell. Imagine that number four Leonard Williams
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: and number five Pana Ford. Thank you.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I was taking a wild guess of like I'm gonna
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: mess this up.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: He's actually played good for the Chargers year.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: But my point is, I mean, there's.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: Okay and all those guys. Just let's go through that
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: list again, the five.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: It starts with number one, Chris Jones said, yes, okay, homegrown,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: number two Zach Allen, free agent, number three, clay As Campbell,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: free agent, number four, Leonard Williams, trade trade number five forward,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: So nobody. The only guy that's homegrown is Chris Jones.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: And they went out and spent money on Eric Armstead,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: who can't play inside, has to play defensive end and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: doesn't do it very well.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Why does he have to play defensive end?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Well, they want him to play defensive end.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean don't because we don't have any other
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: defensive ends on the roster.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: But again, bad moves.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: So as far as back to the keeping, a real
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: question is what do you do on defense?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure. I have no idea.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: I mean I think I I think your best bet
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: is to simplify it. Say we're gonna let nothing behind us,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: We're gonna come up and tackle.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: They play simple anyways, Tony. They don't blitz. I don't
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: think mug looks and everything like that. They don't do
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: it any much.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: I guess my point is, people, we play a lot
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: of man still.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: Right, which and are they good enough to play man?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: And the answer to that is.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. They have the lowest blitz
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: right in the league.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: So maybe you dial up the blitzes and just say,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: but then you're you're gonna play more man on the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: back end.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. It's a tough.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: Well, but they're not dialing up blitzes and they're playing
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: man and they're getting beat anyway.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: Well. And the other problem is, so if you're gonna
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: play man, blitz I guess the other problem is because
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: you have been very poor at stopping the run, especially
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: the last handful of games. You don't get a lot
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: of third and lungs, so you don't let the pass
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: rush even get going.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: You barely had any third and anythings last week.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: You literally of the four drives before the first seven
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: drives that led to touchdowns, they did not have a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: third down. I don't think I've ever heard of that before.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: No third down.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Video game stuff almost.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: And one of the thirds downs they had, one of
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: those drives was third in inches, and they try to
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: take a shot because they knew they were gonna go
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: for it on fourth down on the quarterback snake.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: Four point six per rush the last three and that's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: just well, Pete.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: And two of those games they gave up over two
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: yards rushing.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, four point six per rush because and in this
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: past game is for four point eight.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: And it's just it's just it's awful up front.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: It's and and Walker and Alan play hard. They can
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: play the run well, but they can't. It's hard to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: rush the passer when you get run on like that.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: And it's hard to rush the passer when everybody knows
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: that you're the two they're going to provide the fast rushing.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: The interior guys are gonna be singled up. They don't.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: Nobody pushes the pocket from the inside ever. Like you
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: see McNeil for the Lions. He pushes the pocket from
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: the inside.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: They don't push the pocket. And that's a problem. So
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: what do you do jp If you blitz more, you're
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: gonna play man more. But you're playing man. Anyways, the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: problem in zone, those linebackers get lost in zone.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: The safeties get lost in zone. They don't.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's they play it poorly, and so that's
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: a problem too.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: So you may as well just go play man. You
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: kick him, you take him, you take him, and go
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: after the quarterback. But to do that, like Tony said,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: you guys stop the run to do that.
• 1:12:41
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• 1:13:21
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• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: what's your positive spin this week?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: Don't have any? Got no positive spin out for fifty
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: two six? Sorry, we can't help you on that one.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: To BUYE week, you gotta give us, You gotta give
• 1:14:42
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• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: gotta be something from Captain Sunshine over.
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  Speaker 6: Here, bye week week off.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know sun came up today.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: with your week? Your time off? This weekend?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 6: Fellas, I am going to Gainesville on Saturday to it's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: uh senior day for my daughter Alexis, who's the captain
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: of the cheerleading all girls cheerleading.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Cool. Oh nice.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna do that Saturday, and then I'm gonna sit.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 6: I might probably go to church, maybe play a little
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: golf Sunday, maybe watch I'll watch a lot of football,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: do nothing.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna make a run to see some family
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: back home, I think for a little bit before the holidays.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going home.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it'd be nice, all right, Pete, you don't get it?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Bye week?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: No, hell no, just keep on grinding, grind me, keep
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: on grinding. Hey. Look we're round in the corner, right Pete.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: Do you so?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: Where do you watch the games on Sunday.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: In the studio? We have a TV thing set up
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: Can any of us?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go watch it. Could I come?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: Could I come Sunday the Sunday If I came down
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: Saturday night, hang out with you in the CBS studio
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: watching football day?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: You know, it's weird, Tony.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: I would Normally I would have said, yes, you can
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: come in there, but ever since COVID, the like the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: process to get somebody to come in is like trying
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 7: to clear secret service.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 6: Really it's weird.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: So they answer that question would probably be maybe.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, don't worry, don't do it because I'm
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: not coming down there. I was just serious.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's you know, we have
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: a whole nice set up in there. We watch the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: games and rip everybody to shreds, and they always get
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: mad at me because the Jaguars game has to be
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: on the TV closest to me, and so I can
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: rip it apart before I watch the tape the next day.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Believe me, believe me, I was ripping on Sunday that one.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Though I can't say anything, I called that one.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: I saw it.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: You didn't stop.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: I saw. I saw. Let me see what the score was.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: I picked when I picked it. Let's be honest, now
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: it was I'll be honest with you because you can
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: go look it up.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: It wasn't. It wasn't that, but it was bad. Believe me,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: here we go. It was good.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: And by the way, we played the play yesterday our
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: pregame show the.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Deal, though I saw it on the Thanks that's great, Pete, Yeah.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we played it Don mccow's game taking the knee.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: I forgot you went in.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't. What did you pick yesterday?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: Mad the ball?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: The next play go up the field with von Dunbar.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: I think it was on the very next play. You
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: actually got a good block on that play, Tony.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: Thank you very much.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: Uh, you were still trying, unlike some of the other
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: people on that team.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you why I hated those thirty eight eight Yeah, Pete,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: I hated like I was. You know, as every player
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: has been involved in blowouts and been on the wrong
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: side of a blowout, it is the worst because you
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: know the game's over. You know it's over, Like to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: end the third quarter like you're down four scores. It's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: you're not I mean, come on, it is what it is,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: and everything in you wants just to get in the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: locker room and go home, or get on the plane
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: and get home. But I always told myself it was
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: like this is gonna be on tape, and so you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: better compete because whoever is watching the tape next week
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: from the other teams. I did not want to have
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: them watch me get beat. So to me, it was
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: like it became personal. It's like, okay, like it's I'm
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: one on one with this guy. Here we go, let's
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: let's dial it up. You better get your and I
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: would be taught. I'd have to talk to myself. I'd
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: be on the sideline talking to myself, like, come on,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: let's go.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: But by the way, you know, Doug's right, I didn't,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: and you know me, Tony, I look for quitters. I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: didn't see it on the tape yesterday, which is more.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 7: I think that's force the diapmen in the roster, if anything,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: because if you got beat that.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: Bad and you did quit, whoo because there was you know,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: I always look for.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: Joggers and guys that are gonna not play to the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 7: end of the whistle, and we had there were plenty
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: of them on tape earlier in the season. I saw him,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: particularly in London, yes, but but there weren't there.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: I thought they'd quit against the Eagles.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: They didn't in the in that game, they played hard
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: against the Vikings and they didn't quit on Sunday.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: They're just not good enough.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: Not good enough against the Lions, that's for sure at
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: UCF Jaguar. Next question, generational quarterback, super Bowl winning head coach,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: state of the art practice facility, top draft picks, money
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: spent like crazy, and free agency.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: How do we fix this.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna let Pete. I'm gonna let Pete answer this one.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: Well, okay, let's start with the generational quarterback right now,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: he's not a generational quarterback because they haven't brought him
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: to that level yet. So that goes to your coaching.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 7: Your super Bowl winning coach hasn't done his part to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: fulfill that. The state of the art practice facility that
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: you can't arg you with it is it's a great place.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: It's a great facility.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: You know, in the past it was a joke where
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: they knew know Tony you were in that there were
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: rats everywhere in that place.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: It wasn't a good facility. It's a great facility.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: Now it's a great free Agents should want to play there,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: Players should want to play there.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: It's a great facility. What was the other What would
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: keep that question up for a second. There's more to it.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: I'll keep going.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Top draft picks, money spent like crazy.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: They've blown them I mean, let's be real.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: They haven't got banged for their buck on the draft
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 7: picks and money spent like crazy, and free agency hasn't
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: worked out.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: Let's go through it again. Because Mitch Morse hasn't been
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: good the.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: Last month of the season, there's I mean, he's been okay,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: he hasn't been great. Ronald Darby had one good game
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: and has about four bad ones in the last month
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: of last five weeks. Who else? Armstead's a complete squid.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: But Gabe Davis before he got hurt was a nothing.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: He's a nothing burger. I mean, he looks like he's
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: out of shape and doesn't run very well. So free agency,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 7: bang for the buck, bang for the buck? You got nothing?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: You got zero?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: Then you want to you could just go through the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: roster of guys.
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  Speaker 7: Doesn't it pain them that they'd used a second round
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: draft pick on a tight end that they don't even
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 7: use in some games, and they not only that, when
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: they drafted a second round tight end, the guy they
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: let go caught a couple passes against him for the
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: Vikings last week, didn't he. I mean, that's all around
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: the league. So if you really want to pinpoint it,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: it's the talent. It's the talent. They're not that talented period.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: Next question at Waco Arena, which players would you keep
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: to rebuild this and what would be your draft and
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: free agency and free agency priorities. Now, all right, we're
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: kind of flirting with the line of draft talk here.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: Not officially eliminated yet mathematically, however, what.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: Do you think, Well, I mean, I'll just answer, you
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: got to build the line of scrimmage. Yeah, you gotta
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: build both sides of the line of scrimmage. That's how
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: you win football games.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: This is a physical, violent game played by big, physical men.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: And yes, you need dynamic receivers and backs, and obviously
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: you have to have a quarterback, and I believe we
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: have a quarterback. But if you have a quarterback and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: you are physical at the lines of scrimmage, you have
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: a chance every week. If you have a quarterback and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: really fancy nice skilled position guys with and you can't
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: aren't a physical, tough team, You're just not gonna win
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: consistently in this league.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: I have a strong conviction about that.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: I'm with you, and I and I and if you
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: really want to look at it, going to next year.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: You have no one under contract who can play left tackle. Oh,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: you have the right tackle who could play at left tack. Okay,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: right now start current left tackles. You have no no
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: one's under contract for next year. You have your left
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: guard who you signed who Ezrik Clevenan's a.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: Tough guy of the year. Was it was awful yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: You have an eleven he banged up yesterday and he
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: got yeah, you know why.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: He was pulling and and and Brandon Sherriff got knocked
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: back into him and he tripped him.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: That's how he got hurted.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: Yain.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: So you have an eleven year center, have an eleven
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: year maybe he doesn't play, I don't know, but.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: Eleven years long time.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: You have an eleven year right guard who has beat
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 6: to I mean, I give him credit for fighting, and.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: But he's not coming back on his money. He's not
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: coming back.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: And you have a right tackle who is not as
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: good as he was his rookie year, but he's under contract.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: Behind that Sunday But no, no, I'm.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: Not saying I'm but behind that, you have nothing.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: Zero.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: You're the only young player that you were excited about.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: Cooper Hodges had a major injury. You don't know what
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: the status is going to be. I mean you don't
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: and so.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: Then and then flip it to the other side, Tony.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: But like, do you disagree with my evaluation of the offensive.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: Lineessent is accurate? Then you flip it to the other side.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: Okay, you have a you have a defensive tackle in
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: Hamilton who clearly hasn't been the same player since that
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: stuff happened to him. It was tragic what happened to
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: but he hasn't been the same player. The rookies, the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: second round pick doesn't even suit up.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: Was it was he a healthy scratch or is he
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: still hurt? Because I can't I can't keeping.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: That a little bit.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's kind of been off or was he on
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: the injury report last week?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Let's just look at that lately.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: I think late in the week they put him on.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: Anyway, Okay, but the healthy if he's a healthy scratch,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: it's even worse. He's been a healthy scratch at times. Yes,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: Jefferson gets blocked ledbetter. Is just a rotational guy, that's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: all he is. And so where where do you see
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: starters on NFL teams on that and that four that
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 7: play in there.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: There isn't one.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: By the way, Maason smith ain'kle limited all week in practice. Okay,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: so he was on the injury port the lot, yes,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: and going back to the yeah. So I think for me,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: it's you got to invest in both lines of scrimmage
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: because you have big decisions.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: Are you gonna are you gonna pay Walker Little to
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 6: be your left tackle? And what do you have to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: pay he's gonna be a free agent? Do you pay
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Walker little? Would you pay Walker little? Would you go
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: pay Garrett Bulls? That's what you gotta evaluate the whole thing, Pete,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: I don't know today. I haven't even got that far ahead.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: But if you look at the unrestricted free agent, so
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: how many guys which you have to pay a bunch
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: of money for it to go get them? Like even
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: an average left tackle is gonna get paid eighteen nineteen fifty,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: Let's say somewhere between fifteen to twenty million, right, Pete?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Is that about right?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: Right guards are getting more money now. Guards get a
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: lot of money now.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: And so you have to draft and develop guys. Wow,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: And so how many starters.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Do you have.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: That are young players that are backups?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: Now in this roster on the offensive line, I thought
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: Cooper Hodges was going to be one, but you don't
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: know his status.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: You don't know, and you don't know if he was
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: going to be.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: But like you thought he could be right foster to
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: left tackle. I did not think he had a good camp.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: Maybe he can be developed, I don't know, but it
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: didn't look.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: Like it didn't look like it.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: Uh Van Lannon is a been a career backup swing guy?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: Is he is? Do you project him as a starter?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: The bottom lines, you can't go into every year without
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: big people on your roster that you're developing. That is
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: what if the first.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: Case scenario happens that Morse did decide to walk away
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 7: and and uh Sheriff isn't coming k K, Sheriff can't
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: come back, and he's broken down and the money's too much,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 7: he can't come back.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: So that's well, so to go down here path Pete,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: Let's just talk about that real quick. If both Midgemore
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: and Sheriff we're tired because of age, I'm not saying there,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 6: we have no idea, but there are eleven year guys
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: and Sheriff has been beat up this.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Year in a lot of years.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: You now kind of coming back. You have a right
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: tackle and a left guard. What I've seen out of Fortner,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: he's not a starting caliber center from what I see.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: He's not not from what you've see, and he isn't.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: So okay, all right, So you have two starting caliber
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: offensive lignment on your.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Roster who are average at best.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 6: I still think, I still think that Anton Harrison can
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: be a.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: Really good right but as of right now, he's average
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: at best.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: He's an average. The way he's playing this year, you
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: would say he's middle of the road.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: And he actually said that.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: He spoke with the media and I asked him, Hey,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: what do you want to prove personally the last six
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: weeks of this season? I mean, you know, big year
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: for you comany. He's like, I've just been up and down,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: inconsistent all year, and I want to be better and
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: build up to.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: The rest of the season. I like that. That's a
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: great answer.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: The left Could he be the left hack, Yes.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, he is athletic enough to play left tackle. He
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: played it in college. I think he's a much better.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: He needs to improve on his run blocking.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: He needs to he needs to be pushed.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: He doesn't he doesn't finish like he should.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: That's why.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: But he has to be pushed.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: So yeah, there's.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: Major issues on that offensive line and and whoever does
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: take over has to make that a priority, has to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: be you know, I want to put something out there
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: real quick, the Bill Belichick stuff that Mike Florio threw
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: out there.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill Belichick is seventy two years old. He's coming back.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 7: Where if he does come back to try and get
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: Don Shule's record, is he going to have the patience
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 7: for a rebuild? Because that's basically what you're going to
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: be jumping into. And Javille and Will Jacksonville want a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: guy who's seventy two years old. And here's the other
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 7: part of that. Bill Belichick always had control. You can't
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: give that guy control. He the reason the Patriots stink
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 7: now is because he had control, not because he couldn't coach.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: It's because of his football decisions. So why that was
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: put out there, I got my idea about it, But
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: why that was put out there.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: That's ridiculous.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: And I know Tony Kahan has a strong affinity for
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: Bill Bellett Belichick and he loves everything he's done.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: And I'd get it.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: Bill Belichick's been the greatest coach maybe we've ever seen.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 7: But you can't do that in this franchise. The coach
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: that comes in and takes over has to be an
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: offensive minded coach who can build the damn thing around
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Let's come back for fanatics.
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  Speaker 3: Fan questions will go around the National Football League and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: what has.
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  Speaker 2: Been a long day after a long day fifty two
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• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Sunday Action. The Packers locked a field goal to beat
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: the Bears twenty to nineteen, the final score Packers in
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: that tough division, of course, the NFC North Dolphins over
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: the Raiders thirty four to nineteen, Rams beat the Patriots,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: the Saints over the Browns thirty five fourteen all around
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: play from Taysom Hill Pete unbelievable.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the gimmick was actually really good on Sunday.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: By the way, they got the bump from the special
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: teams coach, right, Darren Rizzy.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: And in that division, Pete, they're in it.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, because Atlanta's thinks and Tampa Bay's all banged up.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Yep, it's incredible. They probably won't catch him. I think
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: the Bucks schedule is favorable. I think they'll catch Atlanta.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: Atlanta has a tougher schedule.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Colts over the Jets twenty eight to twenty seven. Anthony
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: Richardson back in there now, and you.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: Know what, he looked good, and he looked much more confident.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: And here's the thing.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: Reports out of Indy were that he wasn't the first
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 7: guy in and last guy out, so they sat him down.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: Guess what he was last week? First guy in, last
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: guy out.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: You're twenty two years old, and Denny Thompson works with him,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: so I'm sure Denny Thompson told him, you got to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 7: put your whole head into that stuff. You know that, Tony, Guys,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: you only have a short window. Take advantage of it.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 7: Put all the work you possibly can into it, cash
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 7: the big bucks, and then you can do all the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 7: sleeping and relaxing and playing video games you want to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: after you're retired.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: Indy has a big game next week. They gotta go
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: play the Detroit Lions.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: Ooh it Indy though, is it?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: It's at home either way, I don't care where it's played.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Steelers over the Ravens eighteen sixteen, Steelers now eight and
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: two pete.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: Can they sustain?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 10: You know what?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: And you know what?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 7: They're playing physical tough football because Russell Wilson was awful
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 7: on Sunday against the Ravens defense that can't stop anybody,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 7: and they still won the game physical tough football. They
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: score a touchdown, he threw an end zone interception that
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: was horrific.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Vikings over the Titans twenty three to thirteen.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: Broncos put up thirty eight on the Falcons thirty eight
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: to six to final score both Knicks Huh.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: He's playing well. But Sean Payton can flat out coach.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: I mean he schemes open guys for that quarterback and
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 7: does a great job of it.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: And their defense is good.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: That team's going to be a playoff team to.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: To guarantee guaranteed. Look at their schedule.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Wow, favorable Seahawks over forty nine ers twenty eight to seventeen.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: The Bills beat the Chiefs, the final unbeaten team goes
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: down thirty to twenty one.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Yesterday Afternoon.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: Has made himself maybe the co Cove favorite right now
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: for the MVP.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: But the big question with Bill I mean the big
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: question with Josh Allen. The Bills beat and they beat
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: the Chiefs when it matters in the playoffs.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: Well, I ideally you'd like to have it at home
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: when though Yeah, I mean they they lost to him
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: last year. But remember the end of that game, he
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 7: had the shot into the end zone, but Chris Jones
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: hit him and remember it fluttered, a guy was wide
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: open would have scored a touchdown, and then bast missed
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 7: the field goal that would have tied it.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: But that was in Buffalo last year.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: Right, That's what I mean. But they still should could
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: have won that game.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: On my point, they haven't beat them when it mattered.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: Well you know why, because they're right now, they're Barkley
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: and stocked in them alone to Jordan, that's what they are.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: They got to change.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: I that's a great that's a great analogy.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: Beat Chargers had a twenty four to six lead at halftime,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: the Bengals came all the way back, tied the game,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: and then Evan McPherson missed two field goals and the
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: Chargers go down the field and win thirty four to twenty.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: That was a great I I'm usually so tired, but
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: we got home, and you know, I caught probably caught
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: two and a half quarters of that game, the whole
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: second half.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: What a great football game. It was a great and
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: entertaining football game.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: But isn't it funny, though Tony, how Joe Burrow and
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 7: Herbert navigate muddy pockets the way they do to make plays.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I'll say I think Burrow is better than Herbert.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: Burke was better at Herbert at it, but Herbert was
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: good at it again early in that game last night,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 7: and again the offensive line play is better in those
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: two teams than what you have here in Jacksonville. But
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: Burrow does a great job of handling it when it's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 7: not like you said, And that's something that Trevor has
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 7: to get better at.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: He does now. It does help having t Higgins and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: Jamar Chase outside.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: It certainly doesn't hurt.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: But I'll say this, Burrow's not afraid to throw it
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: to anybody.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 6: That Ivy League kid's name, is that the kathlete or yeah? Yeah,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: I might even try to announce his name, but he
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: was jo how do you say it, Joseph Josevich. He
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: came up with some big catches.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: And he'll throw to the tight end, see too.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeahs.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: Look, here's the thing about the Bengals.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: They're probably not going to make the playoffs, and everybody
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: in the AFC should be happy.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: They don't. You don't want to play that team?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: Well, they're four and seven. What's their schedule? Look like
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 6: they've already played the Ravens twice, so they got that
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: out of the way.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they got the Steelers coming up in a couple
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: of weeks, I think, But yeah, they it would be
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  Speaker 7: tough for them to make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 6: They're gonna have to go on a big run.
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  Speaker 3: Steelers, Cowboys, Titans, Browns, Broncos, Steelers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they could, they could run, they could win. They
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  Speaker 4: could go on a nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 7: Jaguars run, and nobody will want to play Nobody will
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  Speaker 7: want to play them.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you Monday night football, it's the Battle of Texas. C. J.
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  Speaker 3: Stroud on the six and four Houston Texans, first place
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: in the AFC south head to Arlington to face the
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  Speaker 3: three and six Dallas Cowboys. The roof is open so
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  Speaker 3: God can watch the Cowboys play. They need all the
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: help they can get. Oh you got at Jerry's World tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Not the Cowboys. They're a disaster. They can't run the ball,
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  Speaker 3: they have no they can't stop the run. I got
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: the Texans, But you know.
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  Speaker 4: What, I think they hang around in the game. The
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  Speaker 4: Texans don't look right. They can't really.
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  Speaker 7: They're averaging four They're averaging four point three per rush
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  Speaker 7: themselves on the ground. Not great, and they don't stop
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  Speaker 7: the run. And they have a bunch of injuries. It'll
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  Speaker 7: be interesting to see if the corners Lassiter and Stingley
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: are both banged up. Might not play, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 7: I think they hang around in the game.
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  Speaker 4: I don't. I haven't liked what I've seen from the
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: Texans at all this year.
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  Speaker 6: What happens in Dallas.
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  Speaker 7: Ultimately Pete new coach, definitely, I think that's that's happening.
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  Speaker 4: But again, if you're gonna be the head coach there.
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  Speaker 7: You want to have Jerry Jones as your general manager,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 7: but you are the coach of the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: Ten million reasons why per year?
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  Speaker 7: Probably at that ten million, you're a little light, maybe
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 7: more than that more.
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  Speaker 2: You think, uh, there you have it. Monday night. Football's
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: in bye week. Here we are, we've arrived week twelve.
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  Speaker 6: What are we gonna talk about next week?
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  Speaker 2: Is the big question?
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  Speaker 4: You talk about next week? We're gonna start looking at
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: the draft next week.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, they're not. You're gonna be mathematically eliminated.
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  Speaker 7: Pepe, They're mathematically eliminated in my mind, they're gone.
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  Speaker 2: In your mind.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, different take to be mathematically eliminated. One more loss.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's more than that.
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  Speaker 6: No, I think I think at two and ten year out,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: you're not getting into the playoffs with ten loss.
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  Speaker 4: The rect what's their schedule coming up? It's the Texans?
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  Speaker 6: Then what they Well, they got the Texans, they have
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  Speaker 6: the Titans twice, and they got the Colts and the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: Jets in the.
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  Speaker 3: Raiders, Texans, Titans, Jets, Raiders, Titans, Colts.
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  Speaker 7: On a normal team, you'd say, oh, they could win
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  Speaker 7: those games. There's nothing about this team that would give
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 7: you any indication they could win any of them.
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  Speaker 3: That's Pete Brisco, Tony BUSSELLI. I'm JP Shatticker. Thanks to
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  Speaker 3: Joe Fortunato, Brent Reaver, Manny Alvarez, pens On, Kate Waskey,
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  Speaker 3: Brooke Hopfee, Bill Peas, our entire crew. It's Jaguars Happy Hour.