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Hour Three | Nick Underhill Talks Saints, Matt Defends Winnie Watkins & Ask the Bench · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: Off the Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 2: Hands to Hester and Hester. Yep, got it.
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  Speaker 3: Five out of five.
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  Speaker 1: From carrying each other to a natty to carrying each
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  Speaker 1: other on the air.
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  Speaker 4: Flynn is back to throw for the end zone foul.
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  Speaker 1: Live from the Raising Cane Studio. It's Off the Bench.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in. OTB, hour number three here
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  Speaker 3: on this Tuesday morning. Always want to remind you about
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  Speaker 3: Go to Ochsner.org for more information. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 3: to the phone lines now. We have got our guy. Actually, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we do have him on FaceTime. Look at there. Nick Underhill,
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans.football joins us. And Nick, I guess the first
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  Speaker 3: question that I want to ask you is, do we
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  Speaker 3: know what a fumble is and what a fumble is
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  Speaker 3: not yet?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'd say a fumble is me and Flynn coordinating outfits.
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  Speaker 5: It looks like I'm missing the white collar.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that. Hey, because Nick, it made me so
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  Speaker 3: mad watching the game. And for that to be the
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  Speaker 3: call and for somebody, Mike Pereira to come on, he's
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  Speaker 3: coming on my NFL show today. And I cannot wait
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  Speaker 3: to grill him about this because like his intent was
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  Speaker 3: to throw it forward. Well, my intent wasn't to fumble.
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  Speaker 3: My intent wasn't to throw an interception. My intent wasn't
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  Speaker 3: to miss my pass protection. But it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I was in a situation like this where Phillip threw
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  Speaker 3: me one time a swing pass, and it looked like
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  Speaker 3: a four pass. It hits the ground. They don't blow
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  Speaker 3: the whistle. The Patriots pick it up, and they go
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  Speaker 3: the other way. And we're like, what in the world?
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  Speaker 3: And that's a fumble. They called it a backwards pass.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter where your arm is. It's where the
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  Speaker 3: pass ends up. For the history of football for me,
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  Speaker 3: this is one that's going to be hard for them
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  Speaker 3: to explain to me and for me to be like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm good with what you said.
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  Speaker 2: Well, ask Pierre if New York calls him before they
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  Speaker 2: call the guy on the field with the explanation, or
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  Speaker 2: are they both on the same call?
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  Speaker 4: Is it a group text?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm going to get after him.
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  Speaker 2: They will grill the officiating decisions. When it's the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: they know the most obscure thing that's never come up,
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  Speaker 2: and they're treating us like idiots.
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  Speaker 4: I can't stand that aspect of it.
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  Speaker 2: I think the network should lose these guys if they
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  Speaker 2: aren't going to just speak their actual mind because If
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  Speaker 2: there's no disagreement with the call ever.
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  Speaker 4: Like, what's happening here?
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  Speaker 2: And it's in everybody's interest to make sure they're all
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  Speaker 2: on lockstep and all selling the product so that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the casino ad up in the corner doesn't look too
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  Speaker 2: weird or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: So, I don't, like, I'm just.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of beyond it. The end zone view of that
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  Speaker 2: thing was disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: three decades plus of watching football games and watching fumbles
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  Speaker 2: and knowing what they are and what they aren't. And
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden that isn't it. Like, why
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  Speaker 2: have we been debating at the hands going forward forever?
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  Speaker 2: You know, every mistake I've made in my life, my
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  Speaker 2: intent was to do something else, but I made the mistake.
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  Speaker 2: So therefore that's why the word mistake exists. So like
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  Speaker 2: intent doesn't matter on a mistake. If chase young blows
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  Speaker 2: you up and you're trying to throw the ball and
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  Speaker 2: it goes backwards, you shouldn't have tried to throw the ball.
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  Speaker 4: That's a fumble.
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  Speaker 2: That, that is, that is literally what the definition of
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  Speaker 2: the play is to me. I'm sure you can find
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  Speaker 2: some wording and do an interpretation, but like, come on, man.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's an insult to us as, as viewers of
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  Speaker 4: the game.
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  Speaker 2: And like, why is it that every time the saints
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  Speaker 2: play Jared Goff, there's a weird call. And I, I
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  Speaker 2: would probably put money on one of the NFL sponsors partners,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it go to their.
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  Speaker 4: App or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: And this guy will probably get the Superbowl because like,
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  Speaker 2: that seems to be how it works with these officials
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  Speaker 2: when they, They make one of these calls, I end
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  Speaker 2: up there. But, like, miss me with the booth officials. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: just the whole thing just feels insulting as a viewer. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't a Louisiana thing. Like, you got everybody in, like,
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  Speaker 2: the whole world's, like, talking about this.
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  Speaker 3: Dan Campbell himself was like, yeah, we got one there.
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  Speaker 3: It's absurd.
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  Speaker 4: It's absurd.
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  Speaker 2: And, like, the end zone view, man, the all 22
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  Speaker 2: of it, like, it looks even worse.
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  Speaker 4: Like, it's just, come on, man. Like, what are we
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  Speaker 4: doing here?
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  Speaker 5: Nick, it was like, and y'all already talked about it.
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  Speaker 5: Like they're trying to talk to us like we're idiots
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  Speaker 5: and trying to explain it to us by some letter
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  Speaker 5: of the law that I still don't know if it
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  Speaker 5: exists or how it exists. But I posed this hypothetical
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  Speaker 5: question yesterday that I think like kind of encapsulates like
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  Speaker 5: how idiotic this is. Like, let's just take that exact
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  Speaker 5: same example. Let's put it one yard in front of
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  Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage. Let's just say Jared Goff cross
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  Speaker 5: line of scrimmage. Do they call that? an illegal forward
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  Speaker 5: pass or do they call it a fumble? They would
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  Speaker 5: have to call that an illegal forward pass. I like,
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  Speaker 5: it's the most idiotic rule ruling. And if I'm the NFL,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm sitting there and I'm like, this is a
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  Speaker 5: good opportunity. I think for the NFL to read the
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  Speaker 5: room and probably like gain a little bit of favor
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  Speaker 5: with fans by just admitting that they're like, that was
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  Speaker 5: a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: That's on us.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like just making a simple, like that even have
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  Speaker 5: to be an announcement. It's just like a little press release.
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  Speaker 2: They'll never do that then because all the money they're
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  Speaker 2: making off of gambling, then all those bets got to
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  Speaker 2: be voided or something like it would just create a
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  Speaker 2: massive problem. Like so they like they've almost backed themselves
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  Speaker 2: into a corner where accountability then makes it look like
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  Speaker 2: the fix is in. So they can't actually take accountability
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  Speaker 2: of things or like it's just it's a nasty situation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think when you have like that marriage
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  Speaker 2: of things and you've leaned so far into that direction.
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  Speaker 2: like these calls have to be pristine in the calling.
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  Speaker 2: Shouldn't be like, let's, let's apply something that helps the
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  Speaker 2: team that's favored by seven.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I just don't think that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other part of it that really bothers
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  Speaker 2: me is that the officiating guy gets like on TV
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  Speaker 2: and like, there's, there has to be some like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about this.
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  Speaker 4: Like, it just feels like it's all being sold to us.
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  Speaker 3: Like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: They can get a call wrong, but like, in that situation,
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  Speaker 2: there has to be some voice in the room. Like
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  Speaker 2: this is maybe a stretch on how this is being
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  Speaker 2: applied here. Uh, I understand it's written this way, but like, it's,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever interpreted it that way.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot go the other way. Like at
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  Speaker 2: least like have the decency to treat us like there's
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  Speaker 2: some intelligence on the other side of the TV where
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  Speaker 2: it's like, Oh no, they're all going to buy this.
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  Speaker 4: Like, just tell them, Hey, come on, man. Like, I
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  Speaker 4: just don't, I don't like how it smells.
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  Speaker 5: I guess kind of a powerful thing to say that
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  Speaker 5: it's like, do you really think that the, gambling partners
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  Speaker 5: where the NFL have something to do? I mean, not
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  Speaker 5: with the call, of course, not with the call, but
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  Speaker 5: with the, I guess the explanation of everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And no, I mean, like, I, I think that the
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  Speaker 2: optics of it are real, even if it's not real,
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  Speaker 2: like the optics of it have now become real. Like they,
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  Speaker 2: they've introduced that aspect of it into the game. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so you can't have the name of the casino on
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  Speaker 2: the building and then not have the casino mentioned when
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  Speaker 2: something weird happens that could affect the outcome of payouts
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  Speaker 2: and everything. So I think when you kind of get
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  Speaker 2: into bed like that, those things kind of do go
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  Speaker 2: hand in hand. But I do think that if you
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  Speaker 2: are making hundreds of millions of dollars off of a
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  Speaker 2: partner and a statement could affect them negatively financially, I
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  Speaker 2: think that would affect how you communicate after the fact
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Because, okay, we can make this statement.
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  Speaker 2: But now we're going to lose money 600 million dollars
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  Speaker 2: or we're going to cost them money and they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to re-up with us or it's going to cause
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  Speaker 2: problems over here with these people that are that are
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  Speaker 2: paying you know all these salaries and the growth of
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  Speaker 2: the game and you know this is this is probably
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  Speaker 2: the most lucrative partner we have going forward this side
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  Speaker 2: of tv i i definitely think that you have to
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  Speaker 2: have those conversations um you know our show's sponsored by
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  Speaker 2: you know a ton of things if i had a
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  Speaker 2: negative experience at one of those places i'm not i'm
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  Speaker 2: certainly not going to get on a microphone and say
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  Speaker 2: it you know So, yeah, I think those decisions definitely
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  Speaker 2: come into mind.
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  Speaker 3: Catching up with our guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans.football here
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  Speaker 3: on OTB. Nick, I don't want to make it all
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  Speaker 3: about the missed call that they had because I do
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  Speaker 3: want to make it about the fight that the Saints
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  Speaker 3: had in the second half. I thought Tyler Shuck was
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  Speaker 3: the guy that looked like he hadn't played or dressed
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  Speaker 3: in the preseason in the first half. And then he
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  Speaker 3: settled in in the second half. Tyler Shuck, Chris Alave,
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  Speaker 3: they were awesome. There's a lot of great things to
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  Speaker 3: point out. about this team's performance. I love the decision
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  Speaker 3: to go for two. I wish they would have run
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  Speaker 3: something a little bit different, but I get it. You
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  Speaker 3: were cooking. You had your offense going right down the field.
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  Speaker 3: And also, you didn't stop them in overtime either. They
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  Speaker 3: went right down the field. So if you give them
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  Speaker 3: the ball back with a minute and a half left,
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  Speaker 3: they got one of the best kickers in the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: your chances aren't great. But I like going for two.
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  Speaker 3: I like the aggressive nature, and I love the fight.
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  Speaker 3: I know there's no moral victories in the National Football League,
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  Speaker 3: but they showed a lot of fight against a good
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  Speaker 3: team on the road down 21 to nothing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the not go for two thing wasn't even a consideration.
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  Speaker 2: I've been like shocked. I've been shocked by that conversation. Like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's a loser move to play for the time.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt. Like on the road, especially. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like you go in the locker room.
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  Speaker 2: How are you gonna sell that to your play like
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  Speaker 2: i think in week one against that team you have
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  Speaker 2: a chance to win and you play for the tie
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  Speaker 2: and you're like trying to build a culture and everything
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  Speaker 2: it like what do you what do you tell them
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  Speaker 2: the play like i think.
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  Speaker 4: The players would feel so flat after that.
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  Speaker 5: Even worse, like, if you played for the tie, and
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  Speaker 5: then you lose because they kick a field goal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, it's awful. You can't do that. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if it's, like, week 15, and you see the playoff
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  Speaker 2: odds or whatever, and you're like, man, a tie could
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  Speaker 2: really help us win this division, sure. But at this
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  Speaker 2: point in the season, no way you do it. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's too much time. And in today's NFL, you get
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  Speaker 2: 15 yards, and you're in field goal range. Like, it's just,
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  Speaker 2: it was a weird debate to me overall on that.
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  Speaker 2: As far as the play, like, I feel like, the
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  Speaker 2: back corner option probably should have been Valle. Like the,
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  Speaker 2: the you're screwed bail me out throw should probably be
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  Speaker 2: the guy that makes the, you know, you're screwed.
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  Speaker 4: I'll bail you out catches like that. That should probably
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  Speaker 4: be how it is.
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  Speaker 2: We saw that play in camp when they were fully
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  Speaker 2: healthy and it was Tyson to the pile on Chris
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  Speaker 2: on the hitch and Valle was, was the three where
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  Speaker 2: Bryce Lance was.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, that, that makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: I probably would have put Lance at the second read
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  Speaker 2: and Valle at the third just for the, Cause like
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  Speaker 2: read to that guy actually has to be open. Like,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, I, I kind of, you know, in hindsight,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, ah, why'd you run that? Um, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I like that flood concept. They had that, they ran
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times in short yardage where like Tyler's
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  Speaker 2: on the move and then you kind of got like the,
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  Speaker 2: the late looper going across the back of the, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the end zone from the, from the backside and you
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  Speaker 2: got the flood concept of the right. I would have
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  Speaker 2: maybe liked that. It kind of felt like it was
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  Speaker 2: one option or you're cooked.
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  Speaker 3: That was, to me, it felt like it was one option. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the back was, he would have walked in the end zone,
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  Speaker 3: but you're not ever looking to the back on that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's just, he's there. He's there in name only.
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  Speaker 6: People who say he should have taken the back are idiots.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you never even look over there. Like, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: even the play design, but for me, if Olave's going
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  Speaker 3: to do that, he's got to threaten that he's going
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  Speaker 3: to run a drag more. If you're going to run that,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to run it like a whip route and
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  Speaker 3: not just a motion directly to the flats. Because as
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  Speaker 3: soon as you do that, you don't threaten the guy
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  Speaker 3: that has you across the formation at all. So for me,
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  Speaker 3: it's not even the play design. But you're right. It's
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  Speaker 3: like one option or none. But if you go.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't his... He didn't have the right to do that.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. It's like... I
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  Speaker 3: meant like them trying to get a lave to the
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  Speaker 3: front pylon. I have no problem with that. But it's
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  Speaker 3: got to be more of a whip route. By that,
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  Speaker 3: I mean sell the drag for two steps and then
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  Speaker 3: immediately come out. Nobody's keeping up with Chris LaVey in
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  Speaker 3: a route like that.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even what they were trying to get done,
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  Speaker 3: but I'd like to see it done a little bit differently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we just saw Baylor lose on that throw.
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  Speaker 2: I saw everybody on Twitter being like, oh, if you
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  Speaker 2: would have put it on Chris earlier, no, Chris would
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  Speaker 2: have been stopped short. Chris isn't breaking a tackle and
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  Speaker 2: getting in. We just saw DJ Lagway lose a game
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  Speaker 2: on that same exact route.
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  Speaker 4: It's just not happening.
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  Speaker 6: It's a weak call.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody does it, and it works 50% of the time.
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  Speaker 5: It's a weak call. You are basically... Banking on them,
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  Speaker 5: getting confused by the quick motion, the short motion in
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  Speaker 5: by Olave. You were banking on that and didn't really
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  Speaker 5: have an option afterwards. It was a bad call, and
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't their first call. Detroit took a timeout, and
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  Speaker 5: they burned that play.
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  Speaker 3: But whatever.
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  Speaker 5: But my question is, why does Tyler Shooks stink in
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  Speaker 5: the first half, and is.
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  Speaker 3: Superman in the second half?
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  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable, man.
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  Speaker 6: Objectively, he stunk. And then objectively, he was incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, we've seen a version of this
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  Speaker 2: game five different times, and it's not even, like, this
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  Speaker 2: was probably the starkest, like, start to comeback.
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  Speaker 4: Like, it was very, very dramatic.
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  Speaker 2: The first half, if you weren't sitting there asking yourself
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  Speaker 2: questions about, like, what the hell is going on? Are
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  Speaker 2: things okay here? Has something been figured out? You're lying,
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  Speaker 2: because everybody was. Like, that first half was confidence-rattling, like,
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  Speaker 2: from every front, and then he comes back. His like
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  Speaker 2: if you want to get to the nerdy stats here,
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  Speaker 2: like his EPA per drop back in the first and
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  Speaker 2: second quarter or like extremely negative. And then the third quarter,
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  Speaker 2: it's positive. Like it's a trend going throughout all the
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  Speaker 2: games here. You go to Kellen Moore. His history is
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  Speaker 2: a play caller. EPA per play first and second quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Really bad third quarter.
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  Speaker 4: It's good.
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  Speaker 2: So is it a shock thing or is it a
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  Speaker 2: offense thing or is it a little bit of both thing?
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  Speaker 2: Like are both these guys kind of built like that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer is. I've been asking
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  Speaker 2: the same question going on, you know, going into a
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  Speaker 2: second season now.
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  Speaker 4: Why can't you guys start faster?
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  Speaker 2: Why can't whatever you're doing in the third quarter happen
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  Speaker 2: after a drive or two in the first quarter? Like,
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  Speaker 2: this can't be a thing where you're giving away half
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: the game every single time. And, like, my optimistic brain says, yeah, like,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: they'll still figure this out. But then the logic is like, geez, like,
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: you're looking at this. This is an ongoing trend. at
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: some point I feel like they got to break through
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: and score on an opening drive. Like it just doesn't
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: feel like you can keep going like this and that
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: much firepower. Like it seems like at some point it's
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: just going to accidentally show up early on and maybe
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: you figure something out, but it's, it's absolutely a problem.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: And I think it's on that, that list of things
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: that you got to keep an eye.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: On going forward.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: And you know, after a certain point in time, it's
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: not like, ah, they'll just, this will fix itself.
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: Like they have to actually.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Find a fix here because, I don't know what's going
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: on with it, but it is extremely weird that you
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: can be that good but start that bad week after
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: week after week.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Nick, one of the things that was not good for
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: the game was the right side of your offensive line.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Do you say that's okay, you faced Aiden Hutchinson, and
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: that's the reason why you were poor? He had two
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: sacks in the game, but he had a lot of
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: pressure throughout the game. Or is that continued trouble with
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: your right side of your offensive line? I mean, obviously,
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Cesar Ruiz is somebody we've talked about often here.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, man, going to the other sideline, that
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: spin move that Hutchinson had on Banks, I don't know
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: if you guys saw that play.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: That's one of those ones you tip your cap.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that one was nasty.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: You know, I know the stat grading service that everyone uses,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: but one of those sacks on Fuego, but it was
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: like a corner blitz. And I don't think it was
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: his responsibility.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: It wasn't even like, yeah, it wasn't even the sacks.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: It was kind of like, I was surprised the push
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: that they got on his side. Cause typically he anchors
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: really well.
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I thought they were just, there's too much investment in
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: that line overall. Like it's too shaky, regardless of like
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: what degree of shakiness we're talking about.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Like the, the table shouldn't wobble.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't have to look at it and like where,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: you know, where do I put the sugar packet underneath
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: here to make this table not wobble? Like you have
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: way too many first rounders. You have way too much
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: money invested in David Edwards. Even if you think Caesar's shaky,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: you should be able to hide.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: A right guard.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: That's where you want to hide somebody on your offensive line.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: And it just doesn't, it doesn't feel like it's there.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Now they were blitzing a lot in the first half
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: and they were doing a lot of different stuff. But
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: you should have expected it too. And going back to,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you know, Matt's question, like, why did they start so well? Like, Yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: they were playing more cover four than they.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Did last year.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Like they didn't do any of that last year. They
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: were marrying cover four to the blitz last year. They
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: had six reps the whole entire season where they blitzed
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: out of a cover four. Look, they had six in
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the first half this week. So like, yeah, there's little
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: things to figure out, but also they didn't have either
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: of their safety. So like, what kind of defense do
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: you think they're going to play? Like, and how are
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: they going to hide a weak secondary? Well, they're going
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: to blitz more. So like the adjustment to that is
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: really weird to me. And it just felt like they
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: didn't have the protections to handle a lot of this stuff. Now,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I think one of them was on Tyler for sure.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Like he slid a protection where they had six guys
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: in protection and then Kendra ends up one-on-one on Aiden Hutchinson.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Like I, you know, that probably shouldn't happen. So like,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I think, I think there's some stuff happening on the field,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: but I also think that there's just like a lot of,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: at some point, like if this doesn't, again, it's week one,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: so I don't want to overreact anything. And you've added
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: David Edwards, but like we're going back to last year too.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Like at some point, like if the line doesn't become
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: a strength, I don't think it's the talent you have.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Like I think the talent that you have should be
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: performing way better than it is here. And it hasn't.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: And I was a little disappointed by the run game too.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Like they went more outside zone than inside. We kind
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of expected that, but like the commitment to it didn't
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: make sense. So I just feel like that should be
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: the strength and identity of the team. And it's not yet. Again,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: week one, it should get better. Really tough matchup. I
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: don't know that we see drastic improvement in week two
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: against Baltimore, but like, you know, these are things that
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: should get better throughout the season, but when it hits
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: kind of some of those spots from last year, I,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I feel like it's on that list of
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: stuff to keep an eye on.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: All right. There he is. Our guy, Nick Underhill, new
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Orleans dot football, breaking down the saints loss in Detroit
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: and real quick, it doesn't get much easier. Nick, the
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: saints are now going to Baltimore to face the Ravens.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: And that's also what makes this game having a chance
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: to win it in regulation, a chance to win it
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: at the end of overtime. So heartbreaking to, is because
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: we knew the schedule was going to Baltimore coming up
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: this week on the road.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Declan Doyle, OC there, used to be the tight
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: ends coach here. Kind of crazy to see him. That's
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: one of those things where you look at the league
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and it makes you feel really old.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, mine's always when guys I've played with are head
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: coaches or coordinators or something like that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: It's going to be a big win this week. Minor
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: setback for a major comeback.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. Nick, we appreciate it as always, sir.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Take it easy, guys.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, a little click. I think we should play the
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: two-point conversion and kind of just maybe use our fingers.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know where to get the film from that. Well,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, we can get the TV copy. We don't
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: need a whole lot of. There is something I do
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: want to do. We need to ask Nicholas where he watches.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: There's something I want to do. His NFL tape.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of people out there on the interwebs
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: talking about a receiver for LSU, talking about how he
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: made a loaf and was lazy on a play. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I want to defend him a little bit.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Do you do? Sure do. You want to defend a loaf?
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I want to defend a player. Oh, okay. We'll do
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: that when we come back. Sure. OTV?
• 19:44
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• 21:35
  Speaker 3: you said that you had a player that you wanted
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: to bring up that was catching some criticism over the
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: weekend for potentially having a loaf, but you had some
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: numbers that you wanted to try to defend.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I do. Look, let's call it what it is.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: There was a play from Winnie Watkins during the game
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: that everybody got. Can you pull up my screen? We'll
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: show the clip. Let me pull up the play first.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I was doing a lot of things here. So this
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: was the last play of a very long drive. This
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: was a pick six. Obviously, this helped Louisiana Tech stay
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: in the game. This was one of the more frustrating
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: plays that LSU had throughout the game because it was
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: a very good drive.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, 20 plays.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: So LSU's going to line up here, and they're going
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: to do a little short motion, and they are going
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: to run... And they're playing man to man.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: So they, uh, they're going to run a corner route
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: from the inside and then pretty much like a little
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: arrow route, quick slant underneath type route to the outside.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: And it gets beat to the ball, ball tips up.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: In the air.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: And of course our guy, when are you right here?
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: It looks like he doesn't really, really know what to do.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: He kind of stops and we got a little bit
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: of a loaf situation, but it's very frustrating because.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: His guy certainly makes the pick. Now, a lot of
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: people said, man, this is clearly a pick play. It
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: could be a pick play, but he can't pick that guy.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: That's illegal.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: There is a certain technique that is supposed to be
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: used for that. And this close to the goal line,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: these guys, these zebras are on high alert for it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: I've never seen necessarily a pick play like this. Now,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: they probably have a play where he comes down the
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: line of scrimmage and he goes and picks them. Now,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: if this guy is lined up press man on the
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: line of scrimmage, then he can go. If he's within
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: a yard of the line of scrimmage, I believe he
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: can go pick them. Now, this is not necessarily like
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: I'm familiar with this concept too much, so this could
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: be a pick play. It looks like he does certainly
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: get confused.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think it's not a rub, but definitely a, hey,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: get in his way with your body.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is the play that I'm more... accustomed
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: to sand.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Well, are you ready for this new tool?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Watch this.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: This guy's going to run a corner right here, right?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: So he's going to go and come underneath right here.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: That looks noise. Okay.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: This is usually the route that I see is he's
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: going to come here and then he's going to come
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: back that direction. That's usually what I see. You give
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: him presence. Now that is, I think what was probably
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: supposed to happen. And if it's man to man, usually
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: a corner routes, kind of what you see, but, um,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: This doesn't happen. And look, he looks confused. There's a
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: lot of communication happening from the sideline too. Three's kind
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: of telling him he's off the ball. They're communicating a
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: little bit. Line's communicating a different play. Tekken's a bringing.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: He looks up, and I think he gets confused. But
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: this is where I want to defend him a little
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: bit because as one individual play, this looks really bad, right?
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: This looks like you got a player that is loafing,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: not giving everything he has to the team. He doesn't
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: understand his assignment. If you're going to make a mistake,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: at least make it full speed. You can say a
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: lot of different things. But I'm here to defend Mr.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Winnie Watkins.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: While this play, by itself, stand alone. And that is
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: the challenge with Lane Kiffin offense. Picking and choosing individual
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: plays to... to criticize or to celebrate for the same,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: because guys look like they might be loafing here or there.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Can I tell you, this one drive, it was the
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: 20th play of the drive with no substitutions. Going extremely fast. Taylor,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: pull up that graphic, me and my buddy, George Paul
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Thomas made.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: GBD.
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: You said that like I was supposed to know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Who that was. That's George Paul Thomas. All right, Wendy Watkins,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: look at this.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Look at this graphic. Are you kidding me? Got Death
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Valley in the background and everything.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: All right, we got 20 total plays, 13 pass plays,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: seven run plays.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: You would think, okay, run play, whatever. You know, run play,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: he's not really doing anything. Well, guess what?
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: He's making a sustained block in these run and plays.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: So he's making physical contact, which is, you know, you
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: can train all you want. You can run all you want.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: But Jacob, as you know, physical combat with somebody makes
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: you more tired than anything.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: During his total output. I like that he autographed this. Yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I sent it to him. He autographed it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: During the play, he had around probably three. It's probably
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: more than this. I'm just counting in my head when
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I'm watching him run routes. Full sprint over 340 yards. Now,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: this is all taking place very quickly because they're getting
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage very fast. And he had probably
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: equal that, maybe a little bit less than that, of
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: running back to the line of scrimmage. And also, don't
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: forget motions, things like that. He caught a couple passes,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: and he carried the ball on a run as well
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: during that same drive, and he got tackled pretty hard
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: three times. A lot of them, like, there are two
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of them on the sideline. And, again, there's nothing that
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: gets you more exhausted than, like, hitting and getting tackled
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: and having to pick yourself up. And then, oh, yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: running back and then doing all different motions and things
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: like that. He had four times where he had, like,
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: actually good, hard, sustained blocks. One time he was, like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: a lead blocker for somebody in the C-gap. I was like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: so he's doing a lot. The 20th play of doing
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: all this, very rapid fire. Just think about it. You're exhausted.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: You're tired. It's no excuse for a loaf, but it's
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: an excuse for probably a mental error. He got a
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: little bit confused at the play because there's this very
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: specific and a challenging technique to running around and having to,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: quote unquote, pick somebody without picking them, right? You can't
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: do it because it's illegal. So there's a certain technique.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: I think the situation was he was exhausted. He got
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: a call, and he got a little bit of mental
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: fog going on, which is probably an excuse because I
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: can tell you, you watch the whole game tape of
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: that fellow right there. There ain't a lazy bone in
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: his body. I watched him play his ass off the
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: entire time, and it's not going to just show up
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: on the stats. It's going to show up in his
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: blocking downfield. His sprinting, how many times was he either
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: open or running his ass off down the field on
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: a route or a post route? I think the first play,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: they come back after this drive. Now you've got to admit,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: they just went 20 plays. They come back, it was
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: a pick six. So there is no time, maybe two
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: to four minutes in between that pick six and the
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: next play. They go two minutes. I think it was
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: eight or nine straight plays of two minutes where it
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: was all pass plays. And the first couple were like
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: 45-yard routes down the field. One of them was a
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: bad throw by Sam because of bad footwork. And he
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: had a touchdown. And he dives, hits the ground. He's
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: got to jog all the way back. And he was
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: running his tail off the entire time. Second half, same thing.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I'm defending that man.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Can't happen. Mental errors can't happen. But I can understand why.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: I'm going to defend him by saying he is not
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: a lazy player by any means. And I know you've
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: got to be careful. that one specific play, if you
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: just take it by itself and encapsulate that one play,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: it looks bad, but you got to take everything else
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: into account. The same way with other players. There's some
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: plays where trade as runs terrible routes. There's plays where
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: receivers are getting to the top of the routes and
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: it looks like they kind of trip and they run
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: into the defensive back.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I'd sent you that one.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: You sent me that one, but then I watched it
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: again and I was like, my God, this is play 18.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: They've already like sprinted for 600 yards without and i
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: was like why aren't they they got 58 receivers like
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: maybe you know rotating every now and then i don't
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: know maybe not mid drives i know you want to
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: go fast but man these guys are working their tails
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: off and not everything's going to look crisp and clean
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: when you get to the middle or back half of
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: some of these long drives especially if there's a pick
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: six and there's no time in between.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: For a job like that Would you want to see them,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: and I know you talked about this yesterday, maybe just
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: rotate the receivers per series, but if you're on play
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: number 18, 19, 20, I know they don't want to
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: sub because then it gives the defense a chance to sub,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: get new defensive linemen onto the field. Yeah. But at
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: that point, do you take a look at it and say, hey,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: is the juice worth the squeeze to keep those guys
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: out there? Do we want to get some fresh legs? Sure.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: The D-line's going to be fresh, but we'd rather get
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: three new receivers in there.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's a bad idea. Like I'm not
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: going to pretend that I'm going to run Wayne's better
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: off as better than him.
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  Speaker 3: No way.
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  Speaker 5: But like in critical situations, it might seem like a
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  Speaker 5: third down situation or like a third and goal or
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: third and where, you know, you want to draw up something.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's also advantageous to.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: Go fast.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's, it's probably, they probably believe that it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: more advantageous to go fast than to get the exact
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: right people.
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  Speaker 6: I would just look at if there is a pick-six
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: situation like that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: And you know you're about to have to go to
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: two-minute where they're running routes all the way down the field.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Of course, you want your best players out there. And
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: when he's earned that right to be one of the
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: best players at receiver.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But I think you also kind of– I think they
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: probably learned a lot as a staff and as players
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: and everything what to expect. But you want your best players,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: but also they– The best player running at 75%, it's
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: not as good as the second best player running 100%.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: 100%, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You know, so it's just.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: One of those things where you probably got to feel
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: out a game, feel out their legs. And I'm sure
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: when he was like, yeah, I'm good, I'm good, I'm
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: ready to go. I mean, that dude's in shape. All
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: those receivers are in great shape, but what can you
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: do 20 plays in?
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: It feels like, you know, when you– well, actually, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: don't know because I'm a little bit older. Like when
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I was first learning to drive and it was standards.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: That's like the first car that I'm learning to drive.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: And you don't quite have it yet, and you go
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and you press the gas, and you want to go fast,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: but then you get– and you just– that's what it
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: felt like in that play. It looked like he went
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: to go fast.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: And then– He went to go fast.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: He went to go put in third.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: He's like, wait a minute. I know I can't pick him.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Then he turns around, and he's probably frustrated because he
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: knew he messed up. But then also he's exhausted mentally
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: and physically.
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: It also kind of looked like the guy was out
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: of his reach by then.
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: Like, fully.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: And I'm not really talking about, like, the effort to
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: try to catch him.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: But the whole thing. That looks bad, but the whole
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: thing kind of looks.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it. All right. We got to take
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: a break.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I know.
• 32:19
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  Speaker 3: I will say this about your last segment. I will
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: say chasing somebody down on a pick six, that's what
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: got me drafted. Yep. So you got to take those
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: opportunities when you can. And that guy was a first-round corner,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and he got hawked by a little bow-legged white running back. Stumpy.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: But he got hawked. He was probably tired. I don't know.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: It was midfield, so it couldn't have been that far
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: into the drive. Did you ever thank him? Did you
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: ever send him, like, an edible arrangement or anything?
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: No.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Shut up.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: This was Alabama. Was that Javier?
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Javier. No, Kareem Jackson.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Oh, Kareem Jackson.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: As we all learned, it was the last time an
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: LSU quarterback threw three interceptions in the same quarter.
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: Wait, who was that?
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: This guy. This guy. Right there. Self-awareness. Hey.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Oh, that was loud. Matt, LSU is 2-0 when they
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: do that.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: 2-0, that's right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: We should do it more often. It's always the second quarter, too.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: It's true. Just like Sam. Witness fault. God, they had
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: three interceptions. I can't wait for later. In the second quarter.
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: Hire me as a signal caller.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And they had a punt return for a touchdown. Javier
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Arena said, and they still lost. Yeah, I know. You suck.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: You suck. Sorry.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Anyways.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: You got to be real gritty to come back from that.
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: Okay, so the signal callers, right? Behind them, there's like
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: these big LSU. Have you seen them? They're like LSU
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: flags kind of.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: It's hiding it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: To hide it from the coach's booth.
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: Oh, okay, okay. Because I was like. The people across,
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: that's what I assumed at first.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: That's where the real talent shows itself, is when you
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: can do it from the sideline. Anybody can get a
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: pair of binoculars, and anybody can do that. The real
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: talent really shows itself.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: To Alonja's point, though, and I think what she's getting at,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: is you can see them clearly across the field.
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: From across the sideline, yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: So the other sideline could still.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I would actually think you could see them better from
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: across the sideline than up in the booth.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: I assume that it was for hiding the signals, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: I still felt the sideline.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Because you've heard Matt say that he's been on the sideline.
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: He's been stealing them from the sideline.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Matt's been a thief for years.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Matt.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: You have a rebuttal. When it comes to signal stealing, accurate.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Hands up. Got me red-handed.
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: He was Connor Stallions before Connor Stallions.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: There's not a signal safe out there when I'm around.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you that. I'll rip them so fast,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: make your head spin.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Now, what I do with that information depends on how
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: you treat me.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Treat me nice, I'll give it to you.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: They have three, so one's a decoy.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Seattle, you don't treat me nice. You'll never know I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: got them. Or maybe two or three points? I'm not
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: giving you anything. Until it's too late. Until it's too late, pal.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: And also, you could be signaling so many different things, and, like,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: one person is actually live, and that person changes. And so, like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: you've got to know who to read and who to–
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: and also with the communication now on the helmet, too.
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: That changes the game.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Do y'all do, like– third base coaches where like something
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: is the indicator, the indicator, like, yeah, it makes it
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: like my coach would always go across the belt. And
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: after the belt, that's when you would pay attention to
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: what she was doing.
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: Cause that's when, but.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: There's different forms of that. There's different forms of that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: A lot of times coaches are signaling to a defensive
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: back and they're not paying attention to them, but they
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: know on a certain call, they got to look at
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: the sideline. Most calls they don't. And it comes from
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: a lot of different people. And then there's certain calls
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: where depending on, so like, You get one defensive call.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: If they come out in three by one, you're going
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: to run some sort of 33 buzz situation where it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: cover three, but the safety goes inside the nickel. Now,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: if they come out in two by two, you might
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: go quarter, quarter, half. A lot of times, it's up
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: to the defensive backs what they're running based on the look.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: A defensive coordinator could call that offensive two times in
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: a row, and it might look two different ways. So
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: you've got to kind of in Kansas city back in
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: the day, they used to their defensive backs, each side,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: they would run too high safety, but their defensive backs
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: on each side could choose themselves, whether they wanted to
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: run quarters or they wanted to run cover two on
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: that side. So they would kind of choose their coverage,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: which was there. They were a little bit different than
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of people. So they, they could make up
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: their mind in the snap.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: It wasn't called.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Interesting. So they were always signaling to each other. It
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: is very hard to signal whenever you, like on offense,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: when you have a lot of shifts, a lot of
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: motions and different things too. Like a lot of ones
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: that really count on the signals are the ones that
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: are just going to kind of line up and run
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: who they are. Yeah. It's tough to do motions and
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: any kind of like, so with Norv, like we used to,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: we never like started in what we were going to run.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Like we were going to shift to it or we
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: were going to motion to it. And that was all like,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I would line up a receiver all the time and
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: then motion into the backfield and just because he wanted
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: to get an idea of what it was. You've got
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: to have both.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: You've got to line up and run it, and then
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: you've got to have a lot of the shifts and
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: the motions because if you line up and run it,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: then you have to show everything quick. If you just
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: shift in motion every time, you don't show it immediately.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: So you've got to do a little bit of both,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: kind of like playing poker. You've got to bluff, and
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: you've got to play strong when you are strong.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: On that note, we'll take our last break. It's a
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  Speaker 1: Off the Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn, presented
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in. One final segment here. A
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  Speaker 3: Dos Equis. It's always a great time to go for dos.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I believe we have an audio message that we want
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: to play here. Did we screen this?
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: I didn't screen it. I listened to some of it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: I listened to like the last 10 seconds.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: Who cares?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: We'll just cut it if it cusses.
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: If the rule applies the way that Mike Pereira explained
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: it in regards to the Jared Goff fumble. Why doesn't
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: a quarterback who's about to get sacked just pull his
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: arm back, take the hit, lose the ball, caught an
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: incomplete pass as opposed to a sack.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: And lose 10 yards, 15 yards?
• 42:59
  Speaker 10: Because if he pulls his arm back and intends to
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: throw the football, take the hit, lose the ball, and
• 43:06
  Speaker 10: it's an incomplete pass.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I know what he's trying to say, but I'll tell you.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I'll throw this one to you because he's saying like, Hey,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you're about to get hit. You got a guy around
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: your waist and you just have your arm and then
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: you act like, Oh man, he, he spun me out
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and he just throw it into the ground real quick.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of heavy lifting in the moment to
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: be able to do that mentally. Yeah. Just think about like,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: if it was an incomplete four pass, wouldn't it be
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: intentional grounding? I think he's saying, like, if you do
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: like this.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying, like, that example. I think it's not
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: a fumble.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: It should be, but he's, like, saying if the guy's, like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: around your hip and you almost, like, overreact and be like, oh,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: my gosh, he's spitting me all the way around. You
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: just throw the ball into the ground. That's what I
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: took from it. I'll just take it. It's just a
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: real stupid explanation and stupid call. Yeah, I mean, I'm
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: just definitely. Fascinating.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Nick's taking the whole gambling situation, too.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: It is fascinating.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: I don't think you would void a bet, though, if
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: you just say it was a bad call.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Because baseball has bad calls all the time. A lot
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: of sportsbooks would honor that, honestly. The outcome doesn't change.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to ask for a little bit later on today.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to be like, but we're not supposed
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: to be able to flag intent. Intent is supposed to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: be to the letter of the law. When they brought
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: intent into it, that's where they messed up. That word
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: always works really well.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: It worked really well with Targeting.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: That's a great way to put it in rules.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Dan Campbell is the head coach and he came out
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: and said, we got one. And that's, that's one of
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the reasons I love Dan. Dan's not going to sugarcoat it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: They got one. It happens. And you just say NFL, man,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: we messed up. Hold yourself accountable. Say, we'll be better.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: This happens in other sports. The Premier League, they messed
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: up something over the weekend. And before everybody woke up
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the next morning, they had a full statement saying, we
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: messed up. Barr messed up this decision. That's on us.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Pat your chest one time. Yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: And it doesn't change an outcome for, like, the gambling partners.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: It doesn't change the outcome. So you can't, like, reverse anything.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: It's just a bad call.
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: I hate a judgment call because.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: Some of them don't have good judgment.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: And they want to protect the shield so much, and
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: I get that. You have to because it's the most
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: valuable shield in America. But, like, sometimes you've got to
• 45:25
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