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CAPTURED: The Golden State Killer | Case Reaction & Analysis · True Crime Reactions

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  Speaker 1: Imagine waking up on April twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you have any interest at all in the justice system,
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  Speaker 1: your entire morning routine is just completely shattered.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean, the chalckwave was just it was massive.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because for forty years, the most prolific, the most
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  Speaker 1: terrifying serial killer in California history was basically a ghost,
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  Speaker 1: just a.
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  Speaker 2: Literal myth, yeah, boogeyman that people thought, would you know,
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  Speaker 2: never be caught exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But then on this specific morning, your phone buzzes, you
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  Speaker 1: get this breaking news alert and suddenly he has a name. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he has a face, and he is in handcuffs.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those moments where you remember exactly where
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  Speaker 2: you were when you heard it, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the wild part. Before you can even like
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  Speaker 1: finish your first cup of coffee and really process the
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  Speaker 1: sheer gravity of this historical moment, two independent podcasters out
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  Speaker 1: in Indiana have already blasted out a forty two minute,
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  Speaker 1: fully produced, deeply analytical broadcast.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and it's going straight into the headphones of listeners
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  Speaker 2: and like over one hundred countries.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so today in our deep dive, we aren't just
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  Speaker 1: talking about a capture. We're really talking about how true
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  Speaker 1: crime media completely broke the sound barrier, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is honestly a profound shift in how we process reality.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're looking at a moment where the traditional
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  Speaker 2: sort of glacial pacing of the justice system just violently
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  Speaker 2: collided with the instantaneous speed of the digital age.
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  Speaker 1: It's like catching lightning in a bottle, right, taking decades
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  Speaker 1: of messy, terrifying history and just boom distilling it into
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  Speaker 1: a neat, digestible narrative literally overnight.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly it. Because in the past, when then the
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  Speaker 2: monumental arrest like this happened, you waited, right, You waited
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  Speaker 2: for the evening news to maybe give you a two
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  Speaker 2: minute summar ate oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The classic six point zero zero anchor desk recap exactly,
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 2: You waited, what a year for the definitive investigative book
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  Speaker 2: to come out, and maybe three years for some prestige
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  Speaker 2: television documentary if you were lucky. Right, But on this day,
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  Speaker 2: iteen that barrier, that wall between an event happening in
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  Speaker 2: California courtroom and the global public's ability to deep dive
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  Speaker 2: into it. It completely collapsed.
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  Speaker 1: And that collapse is exactly what we are dissecting today.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at this very specific piece of audio history.
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  Speaker 1: It's a special release from Crime Junkie titled Captured the
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  Speaker 1: Golden State Killer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just like a quick recap of
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  Speaker 2: the morning headlines.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all. We are going to unpack the
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  Speaker 1: terrifying reality of a man who hid behind four distinct aliases,
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  Speaker 1: the behind the scenes collaboration that made this lightning fast
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  Speaker 1: broadcast possible, the shock waves this arrest sent through the
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  Speaker 1: world of cold cases. And this is the crazy part,
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  Speaker 1: the massive invisible tech infrastructure that makes.
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  Speaker 2: It all work, which takes a hyper local California nightmare yea,
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  Speaker 2: and just instantly distributes it to listeners from you know,
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  Speaker 2: Chad to Estonia.
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  Speaker 1: So if you've ever wondered how a localized breaking news
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  Speaker 1: story transforms into a global conversation overnight, you are an
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  Speaker 1: exact exactly the right place.
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  Speaker 2: It really serves as the ultimate case study. Like, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to understand the actual mechanics of how justice
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  Speaker 2: information is packaged and shared in real time, this single
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  Speaker 2: forty two minute time capsule holds all the answers.
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  Speaker 1: So let's start with the shearer mechanics of the timeline,
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  Speaker 1: because to me, the speed here is what's most staggering
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  Speaker 1: about the whole thing. The apprehension of the suspect happened
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  Speaker 1: on April twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, right the day the news broke.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the Crime Junkie broadcast covering it was
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  Speaker 1: published the very next day, April twenty six, twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: And we actually have the exact timestamp, which is twelve
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  Speaker 1: point five nine PMUTC.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's break down what twelve point five to
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  Speaker 2: nine PMUTC actually means for you as a listener, because
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  Speaker 2: the time zones are they're really crucial here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, walk us through that math.
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  Speaker 2: So coordinated Universal time is ahead of US time zones.
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  Speaker 2: When this file hit the global servers at roughly one
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  Speaker 2: point zero zero pm UTC, it was still early morning
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  Speaker 2: across the United States, So like, how early Well, for
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  Speaker 2: a listener waking up on the East Coast, it's eight
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  Speaker 2: point zero zero am. For someone on the West Coast
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  Speaker 2: it's five zero zero zero am on April twenty sixth.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this broadcast is already sitting there waiting for
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  Speaker 2: them when they wake up. It is quite literally the
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  Speaker 2: morning after the.
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  Speaker 1: News broke, Right, So they're like grabbing their keys, getting
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  Speaker 1: in the car for their morning commute, and there's already
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  Speaker 1: a forty two minute analytical discussion teed up and ready
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  Speaker 1: to play.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have to liken this to something like
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  Speaker 1: high frequency algorithmic trading on a wall street.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good way to put it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Like you have.
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  Speaker 1: These independent creators spotting a massive cultural shock wave and
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  Speaker 1: just capitalizing on it within hours, completely beating traditional television
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  Speaker 1: networks to the punch.
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  Speaker 2: Beating them by days.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, how does that physically happen? Like, the logistics of
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  Speaker 1: that just blow my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it requires a logistical sprint that is almost it's
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  Speaker 2: almost impossible to comprehend if you're used to the bureaucracy
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  Speaker 2: of traditional media. Right, just think about a major television network.
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  Speaker 2: To produce forty two minutes of content on breaking news,
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  Speaker 2: you need pitch meetings, right, you need executive approvals, legal review,
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  Speaker 2: You have to book a studio, get satellite feeds.
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  Speaker 1: You need like graphics packages, and a team of thirty
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  Speaker 1: people just standing around exactly. I mean it takes them
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours just to get the catered lunch approved
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  Speaker 1: for the crew.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a dinosaur, but in the independent audio space,
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  Speaker 2: agility is the weapon for sure. Consider the physical reality
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  Speaker 2: of April twenty fifth. For the hosts Ashley Flowers and
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  Speaker 2: brit pro Wat. The news breaks and they immediately have
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  Speaker 2: to halt whatever production schedule they are currently on.
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  Speaker 1: They just drop everything everything.
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  Speaker 2: They have to scramble to find a subject matter expert
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  Speaker 2: who is available right that second. They have to coordinate
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  Speaker 2: a remote recording session, and then they sit down and
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  Speaker 2: record a highly structured forty two minute conversation.
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  Speaker 1: And it doesn't even stop there because recording is just
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  Speaker 1: you know, the raw material.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely once they hit stop on the recording, the real
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  Speaker 2: race begins. Someone has to meticulously edit that audio. They
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  Speaker 2: have to remove the dead air, the crosstalk, all the
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  Speaker 2: ums and well except when we do it obviously right.
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  Speaker 1: They have to make it sound incredibly polished.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to ensure it meets a highly produced standard.
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  Speaker 2: They mix in the intro and outro music, lovel the
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  Speaker 2: audio for different listening environments. Who doesn't blow out your
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  Speaker 2: car speakers and render the final file.
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  Speaker 1: Plus they have to write the metadata the show notes,
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  Speaker 1: upload it to their enterprise hosting platform, and push it
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  Speaker 1: out to the global RSS feeds.
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  Speaker 2: All of this is happening overnight, while the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the world is literally sleeping.
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  Speaker 1: And while the facts of the case are probably still
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  Speaker 1: evolving on the news wire.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But wait, this is where I have to push back
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, because speed is you know, it's a
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  Speaker 1: double edged sword.
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  Speaker 2: It definitely can be if you.
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  Speaker 1: Are rushing to publish a highly analytical piece within twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours of an arrest. You don't have the arrest
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  Speaker 1: warrant affidavits yet, you don't have trial transcripts. You definitely
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  Speaker 1: don't have the deep dive investigative journalism that provides actual context.
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  Speaker 2: No, you really don't.
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  Speaker 1: So by prioritizing this high frequency, overnight turnaround, do creators
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  Speaker 1: risk sacrificing vital nuance like is this actually valuable reporting
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  Speaker 1: or is it just raw, unfiltered reaction kind of disguised
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  Speaker 1: as analysis.
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  Speaker 2: That is the defining tension of modern digital media. Without
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  Speaker 2: a doubt, you are absolutely right that a twenty four
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  Speaker 2: hour turnaround precludes the benefit of historical hindsight.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you can't see the forest for the trees yet exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's impossible to have a complete, legally sound picture of
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  Speaker 2: a decade's long investigation the very morning after an arrest.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to look at what the listener is
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  Speaker 2: actually seeking in that specific moment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they aren't tuning in on the morning of April
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  Speaker 2: twenty six for a comprehensive legal textbook. They aren't looking
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  Speaker 2: for a core transcript. They're tuning in for psychological processing.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, processing the shock of the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, when a cultural earthquake happens, there is immense
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  Speaker 2: psychological value in immediacy. A listener doesn't want to process
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  Speaker 2: this massive, heavy news alone in.
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  Speaker 1: Their car, right. That feels isolating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to process it with voices they already
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  Speaker 2: know and trust, right in the thick of the chaos,
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  Speaker 2: the raw visceral relief, the shot, all those immediate questions.
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  Speaker 2: That emotional state cannot be captured in a documentary released
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  Speaker 2: three years later.
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  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. The speed of the
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  Speaker 1: broadcast validates the audience's zone, real time emotional response. It's
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  Speaker 1: like an active communal witnessing.
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  Speaker 2: Beautifully put, It's about sitting in the room together when
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  Speaker 2: the lights suddenly turn on.
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  Speaker 1: And man, what the lights illuminated? In this specific case
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  Speaker 1: is almost too massive to wrap your head around.
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  Speaker 2: It really is, because.
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  Speaker 1: The arrest didn't just solve one string of crimes. When
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  Speaker 1: we look at the specific details being discussed on this broadcast,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about a single apprehended man who was
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  Speaker 1: finally linked to four distinct, terrifying aliases.
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  Speaker 2: Four distinct eras of terror.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, we're talking about the Vesselia ransacker, the East
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  Speaker 1: Area rapist, the original knight Stalker, and finally the Golden
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  Speaker 1: State killer.
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  Speaker 2: This is where we really have to dive into the
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  Speaker 2: mechanics of how law enforcement operated in the nineteen seventies
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  Speaker 2: and nineteen eighties because the phrase decades long search gets
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  Speaker 2: thrown around a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a bit of a cliche at this point,
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: But in this case, it masks a profound structural failure
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  Speaker 2: in the justice system of that era. How So well,
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  Speaker 2: in modern criminal investigations, a single moniker denotes a single
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  Speaker 2: string of crimes, and behavior is tracked through massive centralized databases.
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  Speaker 1: Right like COTIS or VISCAP.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly so, the fact that the public and the police
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  Speaker 2: had four distinct names for this one perpetrator implies a severe,
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  Speaker 2: almost fatal fragmentation in the original investigations.
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  Speaker 1: It's like comic book lore. It's like the police were
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  Speaker 1: tracking four separate supervillains terrorizing different cities for decades, only
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  Speaker 1: to finally pull off the mask and realize it was
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  Speaker 1: the exact same person the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: That is a terrifying but very accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Way to look at it, because if I hear vizlljran,
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  Speaker 1: that paints a very specific, contained picture. Visalia is a
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  Speaker 1: specific city in the San Joaquin Valley of California, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's geographically isolated, and Ransacker implies property crime, burglary, someone
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  Speaker 1: breaking into your house, destroying your belongings, maybe stealing some items.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a horrific violation of your space. But
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  Speaker 1: it's categorized in a very specific, lower tier way by
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  Speaker 1: the police exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And the police department in Visalia in the mid nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventies was operating entirely.
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  Speaker 1: On paper, just index cards and physical files.
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  Speaker 2: Indix cards, physical file cabinets, localized beat cops. There was
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  Speaker 2: no Internet database to ping a neighboring county. Now look
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  Speaker 2: at the next alias, the East Area rapist.
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  Speaker 1: That's just a massive escalation. Now we are in the
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  Speaker 1: eastern suburbs of Sacramento, which is a completely different geographic jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 1: and the crime itself has escalated from property destruction to
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  Speaker 1: terrifying systematic sexual assault.
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  Speaker 2: And because of that lick of computerized cross referencing across
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  Speaker 2: county lines, the Sacramento authorities view this as an entirely new,
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  Speaker 2: isolated threat.
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  Speaker 1: They had no reason to connect it to some burglar
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  Speaker 1: down in Visalia exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They were looking for the East Area rapist period. Then
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  Speaker 2: you moved the original nightstalker and ultimately the overarching name,
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  Speaker 2: the Golden.
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  Speaker 1: State Killer, which implies the ultimate escalation into murder and
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  Speaker 1: a geographic spread that just terrorized the entire state of California,
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  Speaker 1: moving all the way down into southern California.
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  Speaker 2: The evolution of these names perfectly mirrors the evolution of
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  Speaker 2: the crimes, but more tragically, it reflects the silos of
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement. At the time, you had different jurisdictions, different sheriffs,
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  Speaker 2: different crime labs, and they were all fiercely guarding their
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  Speaker 2: own localized cases. They were completely unaware that the exact
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  Speaker 2: same phantom was operating across their borders.
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  Speaker 1: So for years, these distinct phases of terror were viewed
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  Speaker 1: as separate, localized anomalies. It's like realizing that four different
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  Speaker 1: natural disasters, you know, a hurricane, a tornado, and earthquake
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  Speaker 1: and a flood, were all somehow caused by the exact
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  Speaker 1: same shift in a single tectonic plate.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great analogy.
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  Speaker 1: When you finally pull back the lens, the realization that
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  Speaker 1: these distinct nightmares were perpetrated by one human being is
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  Speaker 1: just psychologically staggering.
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  Speaker 2: It breaks your brain a little bit, it does.
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  Speaker 1: But untangling that web, like connecting a burglary in Visalia
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four to a murder in Orange County
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, that requires a level of granular
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  Speaker 1: expertise that you just can't synthesize overnight.
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  Speaker 2: You really can't. Which brings us back to the logistical
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  Speaker 2: genius of how Crime Junkie executed this specific broadcast. Because
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  Speaker 2: Ashley Flowers and Brit Prewat, they didn't attempt to just
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  Speaker 2: speed read Wikipedia and become instant experts on four distinct
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  Speaker 2: decades long crime spreeze in a matte of twelve.
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  Speaker 1: Hours that would have been a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: It would have. They recognized the limits of their own
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  Speaker 2: immediate knowledge, and they brought in a highly specialized peer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are talking about Mike Morford from the Criminology podcast, right.
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  Speaker 1: He was brought on as the primary source for this
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  Speaker 1: broadcast to guide the hosts and by extension, the listeners
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  Speaker 1: through the most notable factors of the crimes and the
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  Speaker 1: arrest itself.
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  Speaker 2: And this represents such a fascinating shift in media dynamics.
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  Speaker 2: How so well, in traditional broadcast journalism, you usually rely
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  Speaker 2: on a rolodex of former FBI profilers or retired detectives
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  Speaker 2: to provide analysis, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You get the guy in the suit sitting at a
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  Speaker 1: desk exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But here the hosts reached out to a fellow independent podcaster.
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  Speaker 2: They elevated a peer to the status of subject matter
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  Speaker 2: expert on a massive global platform.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, let me stop you right there, because this is
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  Speaker 1: where my alarm bells start to go off regarding modern media.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.
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  Speaker 1: If you are a massive platform dropping a breaking news
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  Speaker 1: broadcast and your primary source of factual reporting is just
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  Speaker 1: another podcaster, yeah, aren't we just building a massive self
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  Speaker 1: congratulatory echo chamber? Like, is this actually journalism or is
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  Speaker 1: it just fans talk to fans aggregating information without any
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  Speaker 1: rigorous traditional fact checking.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very valid concern, and honestly, the risk of
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  Speaker 2: an echo chamber in Nietzsche digital media is incredibly high.
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  Speaker 2: It happens all the time. However, you have to understand
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  Speaker 2: the specific ecosystem of true crime podcasting to see why
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  Speaker 2: this particular collaboration works differently.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, explain that to me.
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  Speaker 2: In this space, independent creators often do the groundwork that
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  Speaker 2: traditional journalists abandon. What a case goes cold, That's.
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  Speaker 1: True, when the headline stopped, the newsvans leave, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Morford wasn't just some casual fan who read a book.
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  Speaker 2: He was a dedicated researcher who'd spent years doing highly
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  Speaker 2: specialized deep dive work on these specific fragmented cases for
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  Speaker 2: his own show.
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  Speaker 1: So he essentially functioned as a specialized beat reporter who
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  Speaker 1: had been living on the Golden State killer beat for
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  Speaker 1: years while everyone else had moved on.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, so, instead of crime junkie trying to duplicate years
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  Speaker 2: of Morford's granular research in a twelve hour window, his
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  Speaker 2: existing expertise it is a highly efficient, symbiotic way to
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  Speaker 2: crowdsource knowledge when the clock is ticking.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the open source software model, but for journalism exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The traditional media model is built on hoarding information. You
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  Speaker 2: want the exclusive scoop, you want to protect your sources.
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  Speaker 2: But the independent podcast model is increasingly built on pooling resources. Right.
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  Speaker 2: By combining the vast reach, the narrative pacing, and the
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  Speaker 2: massive audience of crime Junkie with the deep in the
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  Speaker 2: weeds case knowledge of the Criminology podcast, the audience gets
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  Speaker 2: a synthesized, highly accurate download of information much faster than
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  Speaker 2: a traditional network could ever manage.
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  Speaker 1: That collaboration really highlights how the genre has matured. I
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  Speaker 1: think they aren't just reading headlines to the audience. They
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  Speaker 1: are curating the best available expertise in real time.
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  Speaker 2: And what they chose to focus on with that expertise
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  Speaker 2: wasn't just a recounting of the gory details.
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  Speaker 1: Right, which they easily could have done.
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  Speaker 2: They could have, but the focus of the broadcast shifted
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  Speaker 2: heavily into exploring what this specific arrest means for cold
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  Speaker 2: cases everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, this is where the conversation completely transcends.
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  Speaker 1: This single perpetrator and becomes a massive cultural touchstone.
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  Speaker 2: Without a doubt, the apprehension of this suspect on April
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  Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty eighteen, it shattered a massive psychological barrier
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  Speaker 2: that it existed within both the justice system and the
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  Speaker 2: public consciousness for decades.
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  Speaker 1: You really have to put yourself in the mindset of
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  Speaker 1: the era to get it. When a case stretches across
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  Speaker 1: multiple generations, when a perpetrator manages to evade capture, despite
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  Speaker 1: evolving technology, despite massive public awareness, they cease to be
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  Speaker 1: a man, right, they become a monster. They become categorized
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  Speaker 1: as inherently unsolvable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they transition from an active police file into a
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  Speaker 2: literal ghost story. Society essentially collectively agrees while the trail
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  Speaker 2: is cold, the physical evidence degrades, witnesses die, this person
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: will simply never face justice.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: The case file just gets shoved into a damp basement
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: archive somewhere and forgot.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly But the moment those handcuffs clicked, that entire assumption
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: was violently overturned. It proved unequivocally that time does not
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: equal immunity.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Oh that's powerful. Time does not equal immunity.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: And if you connect this to the broader implications. You
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: realize this singular event injected a massive dose of adrenaline
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: into two distinct groups.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, who's the first group?
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: First, law enforcement agencies themselves. Suddenly, every detective sitting on
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a dusty, seemingly hopeless archive of evidence has a new
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: mandate to reopen those boxes.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Because if the most notorious, seemingly impossible, phantom and modern
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: American history can be caught using modern techniques, then no
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: case is truly dead.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It changes the entire calculus of police work.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And the second group has to be the civilian side, the.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Massive army of true crime consumers, armchaired detectives, and most importantly,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the families of victims.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Right if you are listening to this deep dive right now,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and you've been following a seemingly hopeless cold case for years,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: maybe it's a case from your own hometown, maybe it's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a story that has actually haunted your own family, You've
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: likely accepted that the resolution is never coming.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: It's a forced acceptance of injustice, really a coping mechanism.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Exactly so, how it is waking up to a headline
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like Golden State killer captured completely rewire your expectations of
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: what is possible.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: It tells you that those dusty file boxes still matter.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: It completely redefines the boundaries of reality.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: It really validates the persistence of memory. It sends a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: vital message to victims' families that society has not simply
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: moved on, that the debt of justice does not expire
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: just because decades have passed. And exploring that specific, profound,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: systemic ripple effect is exactly why an audio broadcast like
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: this resonates so deeply with people. It's not just reporting
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: on the capture of one man. It's a communal processing
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: of delayed justice.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But you know, delivering that kind of profound psychological comfort
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to millions of people a matter of hours isn't just
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: about recording a thoughtful conversation.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You don't just speak into a microphone in your closet
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and magically heal the world. You need a massive, robust
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: technological pipeline to handle that scale of distribution without the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: servers just instantly crashing right.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: The tech behind it is wild.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the actual architecture of this audio empire.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: How did they physically get this forty two minute file
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: into the ears of millions of people instantly.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Well, the operational footprint detailed here is staggering, and it
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: completely demystifies the old idea of independent podcasting as just
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: two people talking in a garage.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: The garage days are long gone.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Long gone. Crime Junkie operates as the flagship of a
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: highly structured media network called audio Chuck, and crucially, they're
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: hosted by a platform called simple Cast, which is explicitly
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: noted as being an ADS Whiz company.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack those technical names, because that is the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: hidden machinery that makes the whole industry run. Simple Cast
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: is the hosting platform, meaning that's the literal server where
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the MP three file of the audio lives. Right. But
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: ads Whiz is the key here. What does that actually
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: mean for the listener experience?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: On the other end, ADS Whiz represents enterprise level infrastructure
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: designed for something called dynamic AD insertion or.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: DAI Dynamic ad insertion. Okay, break that down.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: So when a podcast reaches this massive scale, they aren't
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: just reading ads that are permanently baked into the audio
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: file forever.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Like where the host reads an AD for mattresses and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it's there in the file ten years later exactly.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Dynamic ad insertion means that when a listener hits play
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: on their phone, the server instantly identifies their geographic location,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: their demographic data, and the time of day, and it
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: seamlessly stitches targeted advertisements into the audio file within milliseconds
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: before the stream even starts wait milliseconds milliseconds.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So if I'm listening in Indianapolis, I might get an
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: AD for a local Midwestern grocery chain. But if I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: listening in London at the exact same moment in the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: server stitches in an ad for a UK telecom.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Company precisely, and neither of you knows the other is
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: hearing a different ad.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That is wild.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It's highly sophisticated, corporate level technology powering independent storytelling, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: it allows creators to monetize a massive, sudden influx of
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: breaking news traffic on a truly global scale without having
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: to manually negotiate with hundreds of regional advertisers.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: It's just automated.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, this infrastructure is what allows a niche true crime
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: show to operate with the financial and distributive power of
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a major television network.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: That is the business of modern media in a nutshell.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But despite this massive, kind of sterile global enterprise tech stack,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: what really caught my eye is how deliberately they cultivate
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: an incredibly intimate, grassroots community.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It's a very intentional juxtaposition, it really is.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: The broadcast carries an explicit rating, which is obviously necessary
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: given the very dark nature of the crimes being discussed,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: but juxtapos against that darkness is a very specific approach
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to listener engagement. They have a fan club offering ad
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: free listening, and even more surprisingly, they explicitly provide a
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: phone number with a three seventeen area code where listeners
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: can directly text the host, Ashley to talk all things
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: true crime and get behind the scenes updates.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: That three seventeen text line is just a masterclass in
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: modern parasocial media strategy, right. You really have to analyze
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: what this actually does to the listener's brain, because it
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: actively dismantles the traditional impenetrable wall between the broadcaster and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the audience.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: It's like being part of a massive modern book club,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: but instead of just discussing the plot twists with your
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: neighbors over a cup of coffee, you can literally pull
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: your phone out of your pocket and text the author directly.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Think about watching a traditional television news anchor covering
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a serial killer's arrest in the nineteen nineties. Okay, if
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you had a thought about the investigation, what were you
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: going to do? Write a physical letter, put a stamp
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: on it, mail it to the network headquarters in New York,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and hope some intern reads it. Three weeks later.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd never hear back. There was an absolute barrier.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: The anchor was an untouchable authority figure on a screen.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: But here the medium actively encourages parasocial intimacy. By providing
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a direct text line. The hosts are signaling that they
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: aren't untouchable authority figures. They are your peers.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: They're inviting you into a two way dialogue.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, and the use of the three seventeen area code
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: is so deliberate.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an Indiana area code, right exactly.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: It grounds this massive global show in a very specific, local, approachable,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Midwestern identity. It doesn't feel like you are texting a
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: corporate media conglomerate in Los Angeles or New York.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: It feels like you're texting a friend who just happens
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to be as obsessed with dark mysteries as you.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Are, and that approachability is the engine of their entire
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: business model. They aren't just broadcasting into a void. They
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: are cultivating a highly interactive, fiercely loyal community.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Because when a listener feels a direct personal connection to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the hosts, like when they join the fan club, when
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: they save that three seventeen number in their contacts, they
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: transition from a passive consumer into a deeply invested advocate
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: for the brand.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly, this community driven approach, powered by enterprise tech, is
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: exactly what allows a niche podcast to scale into a
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: global media juggernaut.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And when we say global, we really have to grasp
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the literal scale of what that means in this context.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: It's hard to visualize.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Honestly, it is because while this community feels like a
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: close knit, intimate club you can just text on a
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Tuesday afternoon, its actual geographical footprint is staggering.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: When you look at the distribution for print for this
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: specific forty two minute broadcast, it is a map of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the entire world.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: This is perhaps the most fascinating paradox of the digital
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: audio revolution. We have to deconstruct the sheer contrast at
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: play here.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, set the scene for us think.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: About the crimes themselves. The crimes committed by this individual
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: were hyper local. They occurred to very specific, targeted California neighborhoods, Visalia,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: the eastern suburbs of Sacramento, Orange County.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Right, the entire nature of the terror was based on
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: physical proximity.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was the fear that this perpetrator was in
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: your specific backyard, manipulating your specific sliding glass door in
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night. It was a trauma deeply,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: deeply rooted in the geography of California.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: But the audience consuming the resolution of that trauma is
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: literally everywhere everywhere. This episode was instantly pushed and consumed
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: across Africa in places like Chad, Zimbabwe, and Senegal. Wow,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it is being downloaded in the Middle East, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Oman,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: It's reaching listeners across the Asia Pacific, Bhutan, Vietnam, Mongolia.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Fiji, It's just everywhere.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Europe is heavily represented Estonia, Moldova, Iceland, Latin America, Belize, Surname, Bolivia,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and of course a massive, massive saturation across the US
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and Canada.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And it's not even just in English, right.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: No, thatform interface provides localized language options in Spanish, Arabic, Russian,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Simplified Chinese, French, Korean, Portuguese, and Vietnamese.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Which raises a vital, almost philosophical question about media consumption.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Why does an arrest in a California court room for
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: highly localized crimes committed in the nineteen seventies and nineteen
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: eighties matter to a listener sitting in a cafe in Ulambatar, Mongolia,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: or commuting to work in the capital of Burkina Fasso.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: That is the million dollar question. It is such a specific,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: nuanced slice of American history, how does it translate?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: It translates because the core thematic elements of this story
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: completely transcend geographical, cultural, and linguistic borders.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, unpack that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Think about it. The decade's long pursuit of an elusive evildoer,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the unraveling of a seemingly impossible mystery, and the ultimate
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: cathartic relief of a capture. These are universal human.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Narratives, right, good versus evil?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly Every culture on Earth understands the primal fear of
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a monster hiding in the dark, and every culture fundamentally
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: understands the deep burning desire for justice.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So the technological infrastructure of simple cast and Apple podcasts
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: essentially takes this localized California police work and instantly transmutes
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it into global folklore.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what happens. It becomes a campfire story told
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: around the world simultaneously.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, but I have to ask the tough question here,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: go for it. When you broadcast a local tragedy to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: an audience in one hundred different countries overnight, does it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: change the very nature of the crime.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's the ethical dilemma of the genre.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Are we taking real world, localized pain, like the worst
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: moments of real families lives, and turning it into global
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: entertainment for someone in Estonia who has absolutely no connection
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: to the victims. Or does this massive, instantaneous reach actually
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: unite us in a shared, universal demand for accountability.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It's an incredibly complex duality, and the reality is that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: it operates as both.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: It has to both at the same time.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, the true crime genre constantly wrestles with the commodification
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: of tragedy. When you package a horrific crime spree into
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a neat forty two minute audio file, insert dynamic advertisements
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: into it and distributed to millions of smartphones worldwide. Yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: you're undeniably turning trauma into a form of consumable content, right.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: You can't really argue around that, No, you can't.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: That is the entertainment aspect and it cannot be ignored.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: But simultaneously, that exact same global reach is what ensures
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: these victims are never forgotten.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: It creates a worldwide, undeniable consensus that these acts are abhorrent.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It declares that the pursuit of justice is a universal virtue,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: regardless of whether you are listening in Indiana, Mexico, or
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It elevates the victim stories from a forgotten, localized police
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: file into a matter of global public record.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It forces the world to bear witness.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: That is an incredibly profound way to look at it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: It takes the absolute darkest parts of humanity and through
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: this massive, invisible technological network, finds a way to unite
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: a global audience in the shared relief of a capture.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's a very powerful tool.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: It really is. So let's pull all of these threads
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: together and synthesize exactly what we've unpacked today, let's do it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: We started by looking at a singular historical date, April
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth, twenty eighteen. A decades long hunt for a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: phantom hiding behind four terrifying aliases, the Visalia Ransacker, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: East Area Rapist, the Original night Stalker, and the Golden
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: State Killer finally came to an end.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And we saw how within just twenty four hours, by
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: twelve point five nine pm UTC. The very next day,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Independent Creators utilize the extreme agility of the podcasting medium
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to release a forty two minute time capsule. They completely
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: bypassed the traditional glacial gatekeepers of media. They brought in
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a pure expert from the Criminology podcast to crowdsource vital analysis,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and they delivered an immediate, synthesized, emotional and factual download
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: to a very ungry audience.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: We examine the immense psychological impact this apprehension had, how
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it shattered the myth of the unsolvable crime, proving to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: both law enforcement and the public that cold cases are
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: never truly hopeless.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Therese a message a lot of people desperately needed.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: To hear absolutely, and we looked under the hood at
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the staggering architecture behind the broadcast, from the parasocial intimacy
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: of a text line with the three seventeen Airy code
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to the enterprise level dynamic ad insertion that pushed this
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: deeply American story into the headphones of listeners in Chad, Bhutan,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yemen and beyond.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: It perfectly encapsulates the entire ecosystem of the modern media diet.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: It is lightning fast, It relies heavily on niche collaboration,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It leverages highly intimate community building tactics, and it operates
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: on an instantly global.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Scale, which brings us right back to you, the listener,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: YEP full circle. The exact way you consume information today,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: expecting deep analysis, immediately feeling a personal connection to the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: voices in your headphones, and participate pating in a global
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: conversation from your local commute is flawlessly mirrored in this
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: single broadcast from April twenty eighteen.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: It really was a watershed moment for the medium. It was.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: But I want to leave you with a final thought
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to mull over something that pushes past everything we've discussed
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: today about the sheer speed and tech of this community.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, what are you thinking?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we've established that independent podcasters and their audiences can
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: now mobilize cloud source research and synthesize decades of complex
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: criminal history into a globally distributed broadcast within just twenty
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: four hours of an arrest.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Right, we've seen them do it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: So how might this real time, massive public scrutiny fundamentally
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: alter the way active investigations are handled in the future.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a huge question.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: We are looking at a world where independent true crime
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: podcasting has evolved from an entertainment genre into a parallel
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: global justice infrastructure.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It's not just a show anymore, it's a tool.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Exactly could the speed, the collaborative tech, and the immense
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: global re each of this community eventually outpace the traditional
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: justice system itself?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: That is Yeah, that is something that should keep law
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: enforcement up at night.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: It's something to really think about the next time your
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: phone buzzes with a breaking news alert. Thanks for diving
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: deep with us.