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Ep. 247: The Miss and the Return · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: in part by um Kurt. Was it harder than woodpecker lips?
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  Speaker 1: Or tougher than woodpecker lips? Roscoe? Harder? Harder than Kurt,
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  Speaker 1: harder than woodpecker lips? Roscoe? Out of Bozeman, Montain? Did
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  Speaker 1: you know that that was your that's a guy wrote
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  Speaker 1: in I remember you mentioned in that last time harder
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  Speaker 1: than woodpecker lips. I don't think we had the saying
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  Speaker 1: right at that point, though. You gotta trademark that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I know now that you have. I've witnessed it now.
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  Speaker 1: You're very you're monastic, um your sort of monastic food regimen. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty simple. I don't view it as simple. I
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  Speaker 1: will see now I'd call it hardcore. Oh, it's totally hardcore.
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  Speaker 1: It's harder than a woodpecker's lips. Everything, everything about Kurt's
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  Speaker 1: ship is so dialed. Yeah, I've just taken notes all week.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like my I was just a hot mess
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  Speaker 1: compared to Yeah. Just everything is his pack, his food's
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  Speaker 1: a funny he's like his clothing system. Everything. Guy just
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  Speaker 1: so fucking dial anytime I was drinking hot liquids, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, God, I'm weak. Yeah Kurts from Kurts a
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  Speaker 1: designer at Stone Glacier and like a founder at Stone Glacier. Yep. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: started in two thousand twelve, bought a Sola machine bot
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  Speaker 1: asan machine ah years before that and like a little
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  Speaker 1: old lady sewing away. Yeah. Uh. Curtis explained as before
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  Speaker 1: is that you would modify your backpack so much that
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  Speaker 1: you'd eventually wind up was sort of a different backpack.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's really how it all started. Um, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: it took a while. It took probably a couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, you keep tweaking on little things. Started with
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  Speaker 1: the bags and started with the frame, and at the
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  Speaker 1: end of it you end up something completely new. So
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  Speaker 1: that that was really where the whole company started. I
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  Speaker 1: want to detail his monastic food regimen. And it made
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  Speaker 1: sense this trip because Kurt Ford goes see. Here's where
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  Speaker 1: it gets a little bit like, this is where I
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  Speaker 1: kind of got thrown off. I was telling the boys
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  Speaker 1: last night, if I could, that's gonna sound it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: make you uncomfortable. Kurt's comment, it's a compliment, but it
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  Speaker 1: might make you feel uncomfortable. I was saying, if I
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  Speaker 1: could vacate my brain for a while and go live
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  Speaker 1: in a different brain, I'd probably like, I'd probably go
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  Speaker 1: live in yours for a little while, like, and there's
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  Speaker 1: not there's very very few people I would say. This's
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  Speaker 1: about like if I could go occupy, like I would
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  Speaker 1: live in my same house, family, like, same all stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but just have like be in your brain for a
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  Speaker 1: little while and be that um that Here's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to say to honors. Here's what I understand. You
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  Speaker 1: don't like to when you're out. You drink coffee at home, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you won't drink coffee out hunting because it's too inconvenient. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And so you wake up and just energy bars and
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  Speaker 1: instead of coffee, you take a coffee a caffeine goo yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're out the door, yeah, of the tent. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But even in a situation where we had warm breakfast
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  Speaker 1: and had coffee and you didn't have to make it
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  Speaker 1: and it was there anyway, and it was just there.
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  Speaker 1: You still wouldn't eat it, Like, why, what are you
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  Speaker 1: trying to prove a point? No, No, I'm just h
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of the things I do in life,
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  Speaker 1: and hunting being one of them, I just kind of
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  Speaker 1: get dialed in on my system. And and so when
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  Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning part of this, I'm
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  Speaker 1: really hungry. So the first thing I'll do is roll
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  Speaker 1: out of my bag and grab a bar to eat.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I'm getting all my stuff packed and
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  Speaker 1: getting dressed, so you're eating in your bag when I'm
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  Speaker 1: starting to climb out. Yeah, so by the time I
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  Speaker 1: have my boots on, my gators on, I'm gone. So
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  Speaker 1: there's no cooking. It's uh, it's just kind of trying
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  Speaker 1: to be efficient and not haven't get up earlier just
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  Speaker 1: so that you can make coffee. That doesn't I'd rather
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  Speaker 1: lay in my bed or in my bag and get
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  Speaker 1: more sleep and be warm. But what was going on
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  Speaker 1: when you, um, you wouldn't even you snubbed our campfire.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know it snubbed your campfire? Do you know that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys knows Kurt wouldn't go
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  Speaker 1: buy the campire. I didn't notice that. I didn't notice
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  Speaker 1: that we were there, stood off in the distance. Fire.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't want to be correct? Yeah, the fires too heatonistic.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't want to be He's like, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to become soft by going by no campfire. That second night,
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  Speaker 1: you were the last one by the campfire. Yeah. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: he just didn't want holes in his gear. I want
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  Speaker 1: to have a ton of spark holes. Uh, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we'll get back to that. We'll get back some of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff I want to I want to cover off
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  Speaker 1: on a couple of things. Um, you'll appreciate this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Remember how we were just hunting in June, we hunted
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  Speaker 1: orcs at the White Sands missile Range. We're not there.
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  Speaker 1: I'll rehash off range in New Mexico. We had a
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  Speaker 1: whole show about this, but I us explained it folks
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  Speaker 1: real quick. In New Mexico, there's like two RICS hunts.
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  Speaker 1: It's more complicating this, but just to simplify things, there's
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  Speaker 1: two RICS hunts. There's on range, which means you get
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  Speaker 1: to actually hunt the White Sands missile range, and it's
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  Speaker 1: real hand holding, Like it's like a nine percent success rate,
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  Speaker 1: but real handholding. You gotta go do a little seminar.
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  Speaker 1: They kind of tell you you can go over there,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't go over there. And at seven o'clock
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  Speaker 1: you gotta be out of here and you can't start
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  Speaker 1: until it's just very like you know, it's like being
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  Speaker 1: in the army. Yeah, and it's on. It's that way
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  Speaker 1: because on a military base secret they got unexploded ordinance
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  Speaker 1: all around. Yeah, they got aliens locked up. It's like
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  Speaker 1: they got all kinds of stuff going on there. So
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  Speaker 1: it's real handholding, but you're gonna get one, like if
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  Speaker 1: you show up, you'll get one, and they call it
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  Speaker 1: once in a lifetime hunt. So once you draw on range,
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  Speaker 1: you can't ever draw it again. Meanwhile, the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the damn state is off range. And that's a very
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  Speaker 1: low success rate. Um, what was it? I remember? What
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  Speaker 1: what's the ten percent? Why do they fail? Just probably
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  Speaker 1: don't show up up or their their day. Want a hog? Right,
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  Speaker 1: you have no idea? And on range they got all
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  Speaker 1: this other ship like they got a broken horn season
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  Speaker 1: where you can shoot one with a busted horn. It's crazy,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm trying to speak generally. Anyhow, when you're hunting
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  Speaker 1: off range, you can hunt the whole damn state, but
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  Speaker 1: it makes most sense to hunt along the fence line.
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  Speaker 1: Then some bitch things hundred thirty miles and the at
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  Speaker 1: the south. We just kind of worked one the western
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  Speaker 1: We kind of worked the western edge within zero within
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  Speaker 1: leaning on the fence, which I always felt guilty about.
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  Speaker 1: When I leaned on that fence, I kind of leaned
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  Speaker 1: flath handed so that my fingers didn't go into the
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  Speaker 1: missile range. From leaning on the fence to five what
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  Speaker 1: five six? We killed one what five miles off five
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  Speaker 1: miles out of the range. You'll appreciate this story. Something
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  Speaker 1: happens there where footprints, thousands of year old footprints get
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  Speaker 1: solidified in that sand down there, Like when conditions are right,
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  Speaker 1: someone can walk through and leave footprints in the mud.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it is. When when it happens to be wet,
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  Speaker 1: you leave a footprint, and the way it dries and
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  Speaker 1: blows in, things that happened in the mud gets stuck
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  Speaker 1: in the mud, Like what concrete sidewalkers. Check this out.
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  Speaker 1: This is the coolest thing in the world. I like
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  Speaker 1: to think Rick could appreciate it, but he uh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. You have to tell us Rick. I wish
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  Speaker 1: Rick had one of those dials. You could just tell how.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get some dials installed in here where
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  Speaker 1: people that are in can turn it up if they
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  Speaker 1: like what they're hearing, and turn it down if they don't,
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  Speaker 1: because it would improve the quality of the show so much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you'd be looking at the dial. That's all I
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  Speaker 1: would look at right now, I just look at the timer.
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  Speaker 1: If there was a dial and all the dials minute
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  Speaker 1: by minute ratings, that's what you want. Yes, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know everyone in here had a dial, and in all
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  Speaker 1: those dials, people don't know what they want. All those
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  Speaker 1: dials were collated into a single meter. So Kurt might
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  Speaker 1: be like zero zero zero doesn't like this story. Great,
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  Speaker 1: could be like I love it, and Ridge poonders like
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  Speaker 1: ten ten so it's throwing me or whatever. Five. That's
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  Speaker 1: how you get mediocrity. I feel like when I tell
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  Speaker 1: you what I'm gonna now tell you this, that son
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  Speaker 1: of a bit should be code read ten. Okay, they
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  Speaker 1: got some foot prints, hear this out? They have some
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  Speaker 1: footprints today know are at least ten thousand years old.
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  Speaker 1: In the White Sands. Outside of the closed area, they
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  Speaker 1: can't follow the trail into the top secret part of
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  Speaker 1: the missile range. They're not allowed to follow the trail
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  Speaker 1: in it. It's a long trail of a barefoot person.
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  Speaker 1: They feel it was a young mailer woman based on
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  Speaker 1: shoe size, carrying a child on their hip barefoot. How
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  Speaker 1: can they tell that because they think it was on
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  Speaker 1: its carrying it on its left hip because now and
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  Speaker 1: then they'd set the kid down. Oh, and they would
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  Speaker 1: have the footprints. So it's a youngish male or female
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  Speaker 1: carrying a child, occasionally setting the child down. The child
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  Speaker 1: walks with when the child's not walking, the gate of
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  Speaker 1: the person changes in their way. There a more weight
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  Speaker 1: on the left HIPO. They walked one way and then
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  Speaker 1: they came back on their same trail, and in the
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  Speaker 1: time they were gone, a mammoth and a giant ground
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  Speaker 1: sloth stepped on their tracks, and they're able to the
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  Speaker 1: mammoth and ground sloth tracks on the person's tracks. And
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  Speaker 1: then the person came back over the same trail, crossed
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  Speaker 1: the mammoth and ground sloth tracks, not carrying the child.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, not carrying the child, not caring. They
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  Speaker 1: brought the kid, oh wherever. Someone's like, hey, can watched
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  Speaker 1: my kid? And you're like, I slot, can you, like whatever?
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  Speaker 1: Can you watch my kid today? I'm having a date night,
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  Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, bring it back over to
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  Speaker 1: my camp later. What wouldn't the climate have been ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand years ago in New Mexico in that area they
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  Speaker 1: definitely had and there was mud. Yeah, there was MUDs.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like it wasn't frozen. But there's a mammoth.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they know the date. I think it's like
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  Speaker 1: it's obviously like you gotta think it wasn't the last mammoth,
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  Speaker 1: but that it was the last mammoth that crossed her trail. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, the clock changes all the time, Like
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  Speaker 1: the first humans to arrive here, the fashionable number used
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  Speaker 1: to be like thirteen thousand years ago. Now they got
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  Speaker 1: sites sometime around twenty years ago. Mammoths were largely gone by,
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  Speaker 1: you know, twelve thirteen thousand years ago. So somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: that window there's a theory that not really a theory
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  Speaker 1: that you couldn't have peopled the America's prior to the
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  Speaker 1: invention of the eyed needle. Like, they had to have
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  Speaker 1: had tailored clothing because they came through Siberia. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so these are people that had to have had to
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  Speaker 1: have known how to make footwear, had to have known
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  Speaker 1: how to make parkers because of where you know they
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  Speaker 1: came from. Where's the meter at rick? Pretty high into it.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me more, Steve, he could go Roger Ebert and
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  Speaker 1: he'd be thrown a couple of thumbs right now, so
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  Speaker 1: rix meters? Yeah, like high. So these tracks just the
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  Speaker 1: sand eventually blew away and they walked in the mud.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking. I got the thing right now, so it's
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  Speaker 1: like sandstone now yeah, well no, because here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the article trying to not just have
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  Speaker 1: to read the damn article, but it they walked in
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  Speaker 1: the mud, and we're sliding a lot in the mud
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  Speaker 1: and wish they had some schnaze boots or something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wish they had crampons or something. They were sliding
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  Speaker 1: a lot in the mud and dodging something like now
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  Speaker 1: and then revering and hopping. They throw mud puddles, are
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  Speaker 1: mammoth ship whatever. They had some hops, so yeah, they'd
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  Speaker 1: set the kid down and rest down, then kid a
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  Speaker 1: mill around. What what happens is um, So there's four
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  Speaker 1: hundred footprints and they would make a track in the
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  Speaker 1: mud and then things with dry and sand and blow
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  Speaker 1: in the problem with they've known about the tracks for
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  Speaker 1: a while. The minute you excavate the track and reveal it,
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  Speaker 1: it's it vanishes. Oh man, So they film it or
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  Speaker 1: some purposefully, don't you know, going and do them all.
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  Speaker 1: But they said, it's full of White Sands National Park.
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  Speaker 1: It's full of these old prints. That's crazy. That's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a slight shifting coloration that will reveal the
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  Speaker 1: tracks when you guys were down there called ghost tracks
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  Speaker 1: when you guys were hunting, did you was it that
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  Speaker 1: that climate that you left your mark? Oh? I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: someday they'll dig it up and be like, uh, they'll
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  Speaker 1: find me in South in there real vibro logo. Some
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  Speaker 1: guy really knew what was up with some dude kind
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  Speaker 1: of I didn't really know what was up. You can
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  Speaker 1: tell his tracks. No, that's great, that's an interesting story.
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  Speaker 1: Now with your meters high, it's gonna make your meters
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  Speaker 1: go lower. I had a I was telling a story
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  Speaker 1: about my kid getting a nap a red legged fly
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  Speaker 1: in his ear? Do you ever have that? Courts horrible.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you'd have that because you hunted him
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  Speaker 1: Alaska so much and stuff. Well, yeah, the little no
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  Speaker 1: cms that climbed around, but you never one against your
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  Speaker 1: ear drum. No, not with the one that I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get out. It sounds terrible. It was in there, and
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was so bad. It was affecting his
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  Speaker 1: equilibrium and making him nauseous. Oh man, So how old
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  Speaker 1: was he when this was happening? Just the summer hunting cariboo? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we were actually butchering carriboe back at the air strip
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  Speaker 1: at the not the air at the air carrier. So
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  Speaker 1: was it alive and there kind of moving around and
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  Speaker 1: freaking him out. I was with this dude, this old roommate.
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  Speaker 1: I had this dude named Dan one time, and he
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  Speaker 1: got a cat is fly. We're fishing. He had a
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  Speaker 1: hell of a night that night. He caught a bat
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  Speaker 1: on his back cast and he didn't like that one bit.
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  Speaker 1: Then he uh got a cat is fly in his
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  Speaker 1: ear and full whipped. Then he slept in his car
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  Speaker 1: and wouldn't get out to peaks he thought a mountain
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  Speaker 1: lion was going to get him. Um, that reminds me
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  Speaker 1: real quick. I'm putting this. If you can go and
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  Speaker 1: look on Instagram, you'll see this picture. Just dude to
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  Speaker 1: send us a picture of a pelican that goes down
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  Speaker 1: in his ditch and catches a carp. Tries to fly
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  Speaker 1: away with the cart, but it's such a heavy load
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  Speaker 1: he can't get elevation, goes into the power lines, hits
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  Speaker 1: the power lines, catches on fire god lands and starts
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  Speaker 1: a brush fire je and he sends a picture of
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  Speaker 1: the pelican land there, hung up in a barbed wire
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  Speaker 1: fence with a big fire scar moving away from it
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  Speaker 1: across the ground, still with the cart hanging out of
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  Speaker 1: his mouth. That kind of day. That's kind of day
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  Speaker 1: this dude had. And we got it out with a
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  Speaker 1: pair of fishing hemus like a hemostat. Oh you were
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  Speaker 1: able to go in and do the catos when this
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  Speaker 1: dude Dan had it happened to him and we practically
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  Speaker 1: had to pin him down. Yeah. Um, well my boy
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  Speaker 1: got it. Someone's like put hydrogen peroxide in there, and
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  Speaker 1: we dumped hydrogen peroxide there and holy ship, that bug
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  Speaker 1: come out in a hurry well. Our resident physician here
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  Speaker 1: at Meat Eater, Adam Lazarre, wrote in advising don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: He says, on average, he's an emergency room. He's been
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast. Uh. When he was on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the thing I remember most is that you remember, like
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  Speaker 1: for our whole lives, for our everyone in this room,
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  Speaker 1: our age group, car crashes where our lead cause of
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: death had always been that. When he was on um,
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  Speaker 1: opioid overdoses had surpassed car crashes as the thing that
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  Speaker 1: will kill you man, cardiac arrests. No, that kicks in
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  Speaker 1: next between thirty and four year Yeah, it was like
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  Speaker 1: it had always been like vehicular collisions would kick in
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  Speaker 1: it like eighteen or something like that, or sixteen, and
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  Speaker 1: then up to a certain date like that's what that
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  Speaker 1: would be your lead cause of death, and then it
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  Speaker 1: switches to like heart disease and all that. Ship. But
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  Speaker 1: opioid overdoses for males, opioids were killing more dudes than cars. Jeez,
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  Speaker 1: it's a real problem. I got a bug ear thing.
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  Speaker 1: Could I didn't know? Please hold tight talks, let me
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  Speaker 1: finish my thing. That's why, because I need to point
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  Speaker 1: this out because he's like He gets people four and
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  Speaker 1: five times this summer um in the emergency room, moths
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot in people's ear canals. He uses a very
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: viscous light of cane to drown the bug and anesthetizes
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  Speaker 1: the ear canal. Oh so he doesn't want because he's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a doctor and he has access though, and of cool stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He like pain relieves and wipes out the bug. He suggests,
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  Speaker 1: if you're gonna do this at home, dump mineral oil
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  Speaker 1: in there. Huh, it's hydrogen peroxide is too strong of
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  Speaker 1: an oxidizer. If you had a hole in your tympanic membrane,
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  Speaker 1: the chemical could possibly damage the inner ear on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the membrane. Also, you don't want that
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  Speaker 1: bug moving around vigorously drowned. You put that oil in there.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And he's like, he's not like, is that why your
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: kid ran into the truck with the snowblower this morning?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Is he all right? No, he just ran he also uh,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: he also just he doesn't look where the snouts pointing,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just right in my face, man, and then
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: crashed into the Oh, he's having a great time. Crashed
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: into the truck. And then he like sees the neighbor
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: shoveling and abandons our whole project to go over there
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and save the day with the snowblower. It's like, yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: go over He's like that first and stuff does he does?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: He gotta matching many jigging ones. He like you you
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: g um go tell me your buckstory. Oh just on
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: fire and setsmate known about this too, But firefighters moss
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in the ears. It's coming because if you're doing like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: nighttime fireline cutting, all these bugs are flying around and
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you've got headlamps and so a lot of times though
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever reason though right into the ear and they
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: drawn to the headlamps. So we had our superintendent on
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the shot crew, got one stuck in for like a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: day and just yeah, like you're saying, just driving him
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: make him nauseous. Yeah yeah, he was like, out, have
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you been glad to be uh not firefighting this summer? Yeah? Yeah, no,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean you miss the camaraderie. But hell, hell no,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you don't get camaraderie hanging out with us. No, that's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I got. I got that and that's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: all that I got from firefighting. So that's all he
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: liked about it. Yeah, yeah, do you mind real quick
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: sharing what's going on with you guys, A little dipping,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: like where you're at with the dipping right now? The
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: different products you guys are into now that Kurt reunited
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Kurt's patch, that's one thing like that monastic bullshit that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: falls apart. Dude, it's Kurt as a nicotine addiction. No,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: but he stuck to his throwing a day. That's not added.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You haven't had one to day performance and hancing out
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: there and you've been around these guys. Yeah, and you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: still Terence. You're stuck to not buying anything, yeah about anything.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Oh so that's why how you draw the line. Yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: but it's a little chink in your armor. Man, a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: sucker person do Yeah, what what's product you're using nowadays?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I mean it's zen. It's just it's straight up science nicotine.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It's nicotine powder, so there's no tobacco product. So it
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't make you have cancer, that's what they say. But again,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: as we're talking about at the trail Head, it's only
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: been out for like a year or something, a couple
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: of years. They don't know. It's probably worse for you
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: than but hasn't haven't we proven that nicotine can like
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: nicotine itself can cause cancer. That's what I had this
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: argument with someone I don't know, but I just assumed that. No,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, nicotine alone is a carcinogen or whatever.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Yeah the fact checker, Yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: fact checker, I definitely be wrong about but it is less.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It's definitely less abrasive and more convenient. So it's uh.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I I started him to quit chewing, and I just
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: double yeah. Yeah. Years ago, Garrett was down in South
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: America with his quit and plan was, did you bring
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like a brand you were gonna quit while you're gone? Yeah?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And the plan was to bring a brand you didn't like, Yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: so you weren't gonna quit, yeah, it was yeah, it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was you're gonna bring a brand you didn't like. Well,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and so you brought Grizzly. Yeah. And then I ended
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: up finding when I ran out, I went a couple
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of days and then like spent a week focused on
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: finding nicotine, and I found the general at a like
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Norwegian hostel or something, and then you got dope. Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And then Garrett was saying he got back home and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: went into a gas station and the cans were talking
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to him from behind the counter and buy me. Okay,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: so your flavor now with you like white brand it
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: school classic long cut in uh um, but you also
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like have some of that and then you just have
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: straight nicotine and then you have some more long cut.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Well I used to put them both in at the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: same time. I mean, if there's beers involved. Sometimes but
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: usually usually I would go but you'll find surprising. I'd
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: only do to choose in the morning, to choose in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the afternoon, and then you know, cocktail hour. It's kind
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: of game on the cocktail hour. Do you run one
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: long one or you rotated out between beers? Yeah, one
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: long one kind of is the two choose um one
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: right after another at in the morning and oh no, no,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's up to me. But so if I burned
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: those two choose before tanna, I gotta wait till twelve
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so I can't get you seft me down in the engineering.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So it looks great, it looks like so much more authority.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I know, whatever you said. But now i'd be like, oh,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you'll tell me more. That's like power sitting over this
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: this board, lights and knobs and slide. It's intimidating. But
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: now now instead of having a break from nickotine. I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: pop his in in. Dude, I read one of those
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: ins yesterday for like four I'd like disintegrated my lips
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and we were loping all the steep stuff that I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: got all stressed out about. I ran it for the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: whole day, which may or may not have helped, you know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: framed in our studio here is my favorite possession in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the whole world is when Dirt made the cover of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: dip Aficionado magazine. Rick's photo when we were in uh
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Wyoming Anglo punning. Um, I think chat was that you
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that gave Rick one of those inns. Oh there's one
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: thing about this that cannot be spoken. What who was doing?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: What dipping? Oh yeah, there's a top secret dipping. My
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: My dipping was not top secret. Don't tell any stories
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: about I had it in for like in it and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I got all light headed.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not a nicotine did you have to defecate? But
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I know people use it for that reason. My brother,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: his colon has a annex that there's a coal that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: his colon has an offshoot colon that needs nicotine to
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it's always loaded. Because he's like, I could taking a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: growler could be the last thing on my mind, like
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: zero need to take a growler the minute he has
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a dip. There it is. So the only explanation is
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that there's a part of annex to his colon that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: is activated, that's locked and loaded nicotine and the primer,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the primer that the spark, the flint and steel so
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to speak, is uh dip because then there it is
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: over kind you had that happened at my oman camp.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: You were having issues. Yeah, I mean it definitely keeps
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: me regular, that's for sure. Is that why you use it? Yeah?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like Yanni when I think, yeah, once
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you travel. Me and my brother one time we're on
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: an elk hunt. My brother is the same way, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I swear we both didn't go for six days. But
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: our stomachs don't bloat. It's just like we eat, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: so it goes somewhere. It all up into the tobacco annex.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: But that the the dip definitely helps the ends. Just
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: for my wife listening, it doesn't cause cancer. The research
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: didn't they say vaping was better for you than smoking.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I just looked it up. Nakeotine. They're doing some research
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: about its rolling as a cancer causing agent, and if
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: not itself, it metabolis metabolizes into some chemicals that are
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: cancer causing, so after you ingest it just pure nicotine.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: They always thought that the other substances were the oh too,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: but some of the you know, the gum and some
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: other stuff could still Yeah, but when it get like
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: if you go to like calor like, it can't be
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: like the California kind of cancer. Yeah, because that's heavy.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: That's everything. Everything I buy you can't. He already knows
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in California, get airplane, you're gonna get cancer for getting
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: on the airplane. Fishing. Fishing cancer known by the State
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of California to cause cancer. A sinker, Yeah, but I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: think nicotine is probably in a more reasonable category of Hey,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it's better than opioids though. Yeah. So I don't want
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to be labor the thing. But I was telling you
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: what I want to do is get into um oh
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the child. When we're down in New Mexico, I had
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a dip off of a tell everybody what that was.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I liked a lot um it was. Yeah, I can't
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: remember that name. Mike Rule had it. I'm gonna remember
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: because Daniel Morgan wrote the best Daniel Boone, Robert Morgan,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the guy by the last name of Morgan, the best
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Boone biography. So I'm gonna remember. I like Daniel Boone
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and I like that. I remember because I used to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: buy well, I used to dip or ch Levi Garrett
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: when I was like in college and stuff, just like
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: side hack? Was that a dude, Levi Garrett? I don't know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it makes jeans too write or no, I don't know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: never mind, you know what. I'll tell you something. But
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: if like the Morgan ship was cheaper, so if I
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: was running low on fund said by Morgan instead of oh,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Morgan's cheaper than Levi Garrett. Yeah, so what this dude does?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: This dude Mike Rule, uh, quit you but still choose.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: How's that work? Because he beat the same thing. He
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: beat the addiction so thoroughly that he can now just
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: have a recreational dip and then not dip for weeks.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a dude that quit smoking cigarettes,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: but like has a cigar every once in a while.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: That's exactly That's a great way of looking at it. Yeah,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I'd argue that I'm a recreational dipper though, it's just
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: timelines different. I know Ronnie Bam, who mostly Ronnie Bam
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: got addicted to cigarettes through cigar smoking. He went to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the other directions. He started smoking stogies. He might tell
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you this story a little bit differently for both my observation.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: He's no, I think he'd agree. He started smoking like
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: old man type stogies, you know, like big fatties, then
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: started smoking like little dinkers and that was basically smoking stogies.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: It looked like a brown cigarette, and then just went
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to cigarettes. It's like one of those things like you
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: know those like evolution charts or like a little monkey.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: He turns into a bro. It would be like a
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: dude turned into a little monkey his like path. Yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: so so he's off this because I remember on that.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know where he's at right now, but he was.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He was chain smoking, uh Swisher sweets. Dude, he like
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: he like monkeys one off the other. Yeah. Yeah, Like
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that's like smoking cardboard roll like tobacco rolling cardboard man.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Speaking of bone, here's the here's an art little thing
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about. Uh, this is this is
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a this is applicable to me and Seth because me
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and seth there are going on a muzzleloader flint lock.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We're gonna help with some flintlocks old old style hunting.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: On a recent podcast US we were talking about, uh,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like did front did you did? Did users of muzzleloaders
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: not people who are like doing it for funzies, but
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: like people who are actually shooting muzzloaders. Um, did they
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: free poor powder or did they measure powder? And and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: when you're watching old westerns, they're always free porn, right.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: This guy rolled in, he said, there's this thing you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: need to consider about this part of measuring today is
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: because we have standardized powder. Back then, he said, it
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was way more art than science. And you're like, powder
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was all it was highly variable And I forgot about
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: this detail. As Boon would even make his own powder.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: How's that? Well? The first time he went over the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap, he was going on a year long He
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: hunted and built up a small fortune of hides, otter beaver,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: deer hides. The pawnees stole him, stole his stuff, decided
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to stay an extra year, worked up another big load
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: they stole that came back empty handed. So he was
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: gone two years, ran out of gunpowder and he got
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: sulfur from deposit. He got burned willow, so he got
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: back guano for phosphate, phosphate batgwando for phosphate, burned willow
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and had ash which was some component of it. Got
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: sulfur from uh like a lick, like a deposit, and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: then use his own piss. They would wet the mixture.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: They'd make the mixture and wet it with your own piss.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Then you'd spread it out and let it dry and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you'd make this poderway this dude wrote in talking about
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that's insane. Then it was like what all powder was different?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So the fact that you're like old Bessie shoots best
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: with a hundred grains of powder would be depends on
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it just wouldn't even be like in their thinking. It
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: would be that there's hot powders and shitty powders and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: powders that got wet too many times and you drive
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: them back out and it would just be just very
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: touch and go all the time. Um, So you'd figure
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: out your powder amount for that batch that you had
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: just a very fluid. And I think you got to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: think about like now when dudes, um, Now, when people
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: hunt with most loaders, do you use any kind of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like archaic ar chick technology. This is the thing I
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: ponder all the time. It's like you're abbling in a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: thing that was just what people did and new. So
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: if you're let's say you're boone, your father had one
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of these, you had one of these, shot one of these.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: From the start, it was regarded as a technological advancement.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: It was a cutting edge piece of equipment. It wasn't
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you weren't like fussing. You weren't like messing with something.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: You weren't like experimenting with something. It would be the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: same as like their relationship to that technology would be
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: like your relationship to your phone, just very ingrained, daily ingigrained,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: highly intuitive. It's like it wouldn't you know, it's not
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: like now like, oh, we have this date set where
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go shoot flintlocks, you know, and blow our
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: faces off. It would be just like you lived it
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: all the time. So I just probably didn't feel like
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: how we think it felt. But I'm sure there's improvements
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: within within each of those technologies that they're really excited
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: about totally, like little small things like like smooth board
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to rifle barrels, yeah, or big advancement. What are what
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: are you guys shooting? Is it rifled? What's the range
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: for you guys? This hunt? I guess depends on the person,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: but I'm I'm looking fifty yards and in tick liquor?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: What's yours? Steve? Like close like the bull. I wounded
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the bull and lost it last year with the not
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: even Yeah you didn't even have an explosion go off
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: in your face. Dude. That thing hit the ground too,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that bowl. Yeah, so they lose their the they're just
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: not they're not hauling ass. Yeah, they're not hauling ass.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I think you know, when I hit that bowl, I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: think got you know, hit it high up on the shoulder,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like knocked down. But he just got up and left,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like left like country. Barely any blood either, It's like
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: very little blood. It was like punching him, but no,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: like getting shot with a bulletproof. Vest On learned. I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: learned my lesson on that ship. Man. Now I'm like
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Johnny tight when it comes to I mean, granted that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: thing was you know whatever, six hundred pounds and and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that was like a bullet type like guess what do
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: they call those sabbots? We're true to I think it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: true to Bore, wasn't it. We're gonna be running patch
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and ball. Yeah. Man, I've greasing my ship with bear
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: grease too. D So you take like when you're shooting
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a flint lock, you got well, you don't believe me, No, No,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: it's just funny. No, I totally believe you down in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: my mind. You get a little PATCHA it's a circle
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: of cloth. What are you? What are you smirking about?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I just this is all I've just I've never heard
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of this, you know, the you know, the old like
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: talking him to it that's killed all kinds of very
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: high right. We should make our own patches out of it,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: called a bed ticking. It was like a prison. It's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: like a prison. Suits like blue and white striped ship
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and you cut. I cut square patches, not round. Nope,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: there are square patches. I learned all this from um,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: good family friend, the FETs your family. That sounds like
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a old muzzleloader family. That's yeah, that's who got got
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: me into it. Yeah, because it feels like the van
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: fausen Burghs, I'd like, um. But yeah, we would cut
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: our own patches and grease them up. And then they
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: would you use for Greece. I think we use I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what it was. Oh, you know what
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we could use bear grease would be spython oil. There
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: we go. Oh, I bet no one's doing that ship. No, man,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: we'll bring python because I got a court burning home
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: in pocket. Python oil. Oh, we had the snake biologist
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: on works in the pythons down in Florida. He gave
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: me a court or rendered snake oil. Whoa, what do
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: you use it for? The grosses me out? And not
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: use it for anything. He gave it to me as
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: he gave it to me as a oddity. Oh not
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: as like here, cook your eggs with this. No, it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: like a thing that you have and then you when
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: people come to your house, you're like, see that he
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: didn't he sent to me without tightening the lid down
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: very tight? Oh yeah, Um, anyway, that's like utterly disgusting.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Does the smell gross? No, but just the thought of it. Yeah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: snake oil, snake oil. Oh yeah, medicine you're talking about drinking.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Would you drink that? Curt Absolutely not unless if it
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: increased your efficiency? Probably, I don't know. I don't know, man, Um,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: but anyway they would they would pour their own they'd
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: cast their own balls caliber Fatskers, Fetzers, fetzers. Really, man,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: we used to have cast No, I never cast my
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: own balls. We used to go down to the gun range.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: We gotta get to talk about what we're supposed to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: be talking about. But real quick, I want to hear
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: what I want you to explain. It's more seth. But
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: we used to go down to the gun range and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: sift through the bank the berm get the lead and
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: we would cast our own sinkers, you know. Cool. And
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Ronnie Bam makes his own bird shot, yeah, which is
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: cool as ship. You ever see that done, Kurt, No,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I haven't. It's through a drop. It's just formed through
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the air. That would be cool. Like they used. There's
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: a thing called a shot tower. I've heard of that,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: but I didn't know how How how tall does it
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: have to be? Tower is tall? You're just like dripping
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: little driblets of lead and they fall down this shaft
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: and cool it formed into a sphere in the air
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: like a rain drop, and by the time they hit
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the ground owned they're cooled. Ronnie's a little deal. Was
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: he doing an indo oil and water. I thought was
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it water oil? I wasn't there. I just remember seeing
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: it on the show. I think he drops him into
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. But he's got this little thing. It's
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: got a little aperture on it. You melt lead, get cancer, dump,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: dump the lead into this bucket, and the buckets got
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: a little tincy tincy apt a whole bunch like a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: series of I can't remember twenty or a dozen little
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: apertures like pinholes. And the pinhole determines the shot size. Right,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: So you dump the molten lead in, have a cigar,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: drink a whole bunch of beer. It's like the Ronnie
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Bam recipe. Sit in a closed area or whatever. Uh
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and Out dribbles all of his But I mean this
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: dudes like a like a he's a tinker, Like he's
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: like he could make anything. He's like remember in the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: end of the A Team, they'd always find like a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: sweet shop. Yeah, like he Ronnie smoke. Those dudes on
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: from the A Team like to rig up ship in
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: a shop. Uh and Out would dribble all these little
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: dribbles and they'd fall through the air and land and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: where would hell? He cooled it with oh some I'm
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: liquid water, water would cause bubbling in it. He dripped
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: into some kind of oil. But I don't remember dealing
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of oily ash shot. I was any
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: good at fact check, and he had this ship figure out,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: so failing. Uh go back to the fencer's Yeah, no,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that they'd cast their own their own
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: balls and cut their own patches and grease the patch.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: You don't know what they what it was, I don't remember.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I think it was just some sort of oil. You
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: just you stack a bunch of them up and it
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: soaked through. Yeah, so you take your empty bear, you
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: got your empty gun, pour a shot of powder downs,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: put a patch, put a ball, then you gotta seat
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: that ball. Then ram at home. Yep. So it's powder
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: patch ball ram at home. And then if you're in
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the Western and a dude charges you and you don't
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: have time to take the ramrod out, shoot him right
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: with that freaking ramrod man always thinking the lasting Mohicans.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: When you talk about flint lock, did you do that
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: in there? Yeah? Shoot someone with the ramrod. No shoots
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: elk or something. It's like an opening scene, dude. Yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: He's like chasing it or something. It's like very maneuver
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: in it. And when I did that, when I did
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that g Q thing where it like called the breakdown, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that would be covered that um yeah, sends that elk
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a tea kettle, put that flint lock like it does
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: like a triple somersault off a cliff. So uh yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And then the there's a frizzen up. It's a frien Well,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it's like this little it's hard. It's like a hard
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: steel that the flint strikes to cause the spark. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: there's a little buckskin. You got a little square flint
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: like maybe three quarters of an inch square half inch square. Yeah,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and there's a there's a little gripper, a spring loaded gripper,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and you line that spring loaded gripper with little chunk
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: of buckskin for grip stick the flint in that little
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: gripper cock the hammer. The hammer goes forward, hits the frizzen.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: What explosion No, yeah, the explosion number one because under
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that frizen is a little teency quarter teaspoon about of
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: fine powder. Yeah, Like the frizen is covering up a
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: pan full of fine powder. So when the hammer comes
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: down hits the frizzen and knocks the frizzen out of
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the way, but still causes a spark, and then the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: spark falls right into the flash pad. It's like a
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: rude it's like the rude Goldberg is contraption Goldberg contraption. So, yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that's right. The frizzen fly is on a hinge, flies forward,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: moves forward. This little quarter teaspoon of fine powder ignites,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and there's a thing called a touch hole, which when
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: your gun doesn't work, it's probably cause your touch holes
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: plugged up with the fine powder. Yeah, that little bucket,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that little quarter teaspoon, the wall of that bowl has
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: a pinhole through it that leads into the breach of
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the flint lock. One of those sparks from that little
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: thing going off hops through the hole. He's surprise, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: then like he lights off everybody in there. So it
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: goes like clack boom boom, and you gotta hold steady.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: The whole damn time is what you guys are doing,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: like tree stands. It's like we're gonna do some little
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to both that sounds setting and then some do some mooching,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: some driving. Uh, you don't know this but I'll tell
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you something. I didn't hunt it, but I killed a
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: bull buffalo um with a flint lock. No ship. We're
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: on a reservation and they had like they do like
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: these controlled harvests on this reservation, and like reservation members
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: can go out like however they want to do it,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: they'll go out and you can get one and just
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: kind of I don't really, it's a little bit like
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like a weird sort of like you
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: like an experimentation with a live thing. I don't want
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you want to sort that out right now. Many ways
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: we went out. I shot in the heart, shot in
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: heart in ninety yards. Dang, that's pretty good. Yeah, it
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: was like it was remember when about It took about
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: eight minutes, went laid down and died. No ship. Yeah,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I remember. One of the pretty most truth about Honey,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: one of the elk Anny ones Will shoots a It
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: was in Colorado or somewhere. I think it was with
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: a flintlock too, but he shoots an elk with a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: muzzle loader. It was either a flintlock of percussion, but
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: old like an old school I thought it was cool
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: as shit. Chester. You're gonna say something about the greasing. Well,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: it wasn't very important. It was just about lead and water.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I used to build boat anchors, and any time lead
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: hit water, it was just it like explode on itself.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: That's not well, oh that's right because remember yeah, I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: was not explode, but it it loses its form. Yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like pops and loses its form. It it forms into
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: weird shapes, just like Latin Yanni's laugh. Yeah. Remember when
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: we all had to throw the lead in the bucket
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to predict our future? Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: You know about this, Chris, No, what's that? On New
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Year's Latvians melt up some lead and throw a job
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of it into a bucket of water, and it tells you.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: And then you take that gob and it forms crazy shapes.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Then you get a light and shine it at a
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: wall and hold that gob will led that misshape and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: gob will led to the light and it casts a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: shadow and you twist it and see what you see
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: in there, and that tells you what will happen to you,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: or it could inform your year. I generally tended to
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: see old arthritic imagery. Oh so it's kind of like
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: a roor shack thing. Like what you see is what
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: is gonna Yeah, I'm gonna try that with I gonna
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: lab be a neighbor across the street from us. I'm
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: gonna try it this year with her. Yeah, she should
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: test her knowledge about it. Oh, she knows. She hangs
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: out at some like l a Latvian camp. She like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: it's like the Latin get together. Her name is Anga. Um.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: She has some questionable opinions, didn't she. Yeah. I think
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I had to walk away from a couple of convos
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: yet because commos I was like, you have a nice
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: day there, and he side and locked the door. Not
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: talked to you for a week. All right now, Um, Kurt,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Uh, I couldn't sleep last night.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I slept by, woke up many times understandable. Just uh.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I've ever been so um not have been just just distraught. Uh.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And largely I was telling these guys last night too,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I'm having three feelings, um, anger and disgusted at myself. Well,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I missed the mountain go to three I'll tell people
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I just cut the chase. I missed a mountain goat
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: three yards. Nice, Big Billy Kurt feels that it was
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: an ex Yeah, I missed the mountain go to three
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: hundred yards, just missed right, like nicktim not shot some
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: hair off, shot some hair off. It's main, Um, I know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about why I think that happened, not that
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: like uh, I'll talk about why I think that happened,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: but but not that like I have excuse, like there's
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: an explanation of the mistakes I made. Right. But the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: three feelings I've been having. One is anger and discussed
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: self loathing. Two is why am I not more disappointed
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: than I am, um, because I feel like I should
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: be even more, have more self loathing and anger and discussed.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: And three is just like, um, really feeling that I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: let you down, Kurt, oh no, because I started trying
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to draw him mount I first applied for a mountain
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: goat tag in nine and finally in twenty drew Mountain
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: go tag. I mean I've drawn him in Alaska, but
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: drew Mountain Goat tag and h we really poured the
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: coals to it for five days under Kurt's leadership. Uh,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: snow cold Elevation train just struggles with visibility, but like
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, like finding goes but just like it wasn't
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't like a walk in the park, you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like fog and whatever, just the
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: annoyance of cold, and then they're like just a chip shot. Yeah,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and I would have felt like, um, yeah, the primary
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: feeling I had was that, the primary like, if you
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: weren't there, I would have felt not as bad as
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I felt, just really horrible waking up and just it's
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: like burned in my mind. I don't know, man, those
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: those things are all there. I feel like they're they're
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: they're part of the hunting experience. Yeah. Yeah, you have
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to have the highs, you have to have the lows
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to kind of have the full experience. Just like if
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: we would have walked in there and I found to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: gout on the first day, walk up on it hunts over.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: That was twenty two years. You put in for a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: tag for one day. That's not much of an experience.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Like you know, now you have the whole process and
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: it's not over. No, it's definitely not over. Good way
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to look at it. I like that. Yeah it is, man,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: but um, it don't mean a lot more. Yeah. Well,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: here's the thing I think about though, Uh, I'm forty six.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I'll point out your forty eight. Thank you for that.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I was like the other day, I was like, I
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: was trying to like as we're walking out, you know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like the walk of shame, right walking down the mountain
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: after missing him. Uh, I'm like, man, really valuable lesson.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Like I'll point out a handful of things. Uh again
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: not excuses, but like a guess at where I screwed up? Um,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: they got their winter coats, yea, and I failed. And
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Kurt later pointed out, when you're looking at the outline
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: of that goat, there's a six inch buffer. It's not
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: a goat. No, especially this time of year, because it's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: kind of that even though they're starting as you could see,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: they're starting to come into their winter coat, especially on
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: those billies, the hair isn't so long that it's falling
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: over because when it when it starts to get really long,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: it kind of splits down the middle like a hairline
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: like on the moscot, and it starts to drape. But
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: right now down the middle, yeah yeah, no, Like right
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: now it's it's like a buzz cut and everything's sticking
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: straight up. So it could have been more than that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of goat. It's not a goat, there's
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a yeah, a bunch yeah. And I was when I
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: killed one the only mountain goold I got before. It
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: was a nanny I shot in Alaska, and uh, when
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I hit it, it had enough umph left to take
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: a couple of steps and go off. The abyss said, right, yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I mean I can show you like where this happened.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I remember creepy like, how could it? I was like,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I could show you exactly how it felt. That fired
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: me like a like a face like you wouldn't believe,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: and then got so much a nurse, you're going that
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: When it did hit the slope below it, it just
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: continued to go down the wet snow. Um. Anyways, it
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: was demolished. It Uh, its brain was gone, It's skull
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: split open, the horns were gone, the brain was gone.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: One of its lungs was tucked up into its front
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: right ankle gee. The hide came loose but didn't come off,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and somehow when the chest cavity erupted in the fall,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: it like sent a bunch of that stuff through and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: so it was like up against its knee. Oh huge, anyways,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: something to try to avoid. So then it's like, don't
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: you don't want them if you hit him, you don't
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: want them taking a step. It's not like like generally
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: big game hunting, I just play it safe and give
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: myself a huge margin for air. And I typically, like
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: my typical hold is halfway up and down, two or
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: three ribs back from the shoulder. It's like that's you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and granted's gonna whatever. It might take a step or
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: two whatever, but it's just generally like done me very
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: well as a as a just a you know, general
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: little aim spot um. Maybe a little lower than halfway,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: but either way, I was like, I gotta I was gonna.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I wanted to hit it in the high shoulder, hoping
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: that it would not go off the cliff behind it
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: or wherever walk off from fall off a cliff, and
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: then zero my rifle at a much lower elevation. And
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the higher elevation is uh, you know, there's less friction,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: so you gotta cop. So that's gonna make you a
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: little bit higher. I was shooting for a high shoulder,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: not accounting for all that hair um and dialed and
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: was dialed for perhaps a little bit like a tad
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: longer than it was maybe maybe, and just sent through
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: two of them, like through its right over the top
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: because the that steeper angle to your at appreciate deep
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: angle sharp angle, Yeah, which becomes harder to get to
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: get an exact range because it really depends on exactly
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: where you're picking. Well to a factor that we were
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: talking about last nights. I mean we're posted up for
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: a while waiting, which in my mind for me not
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: being near as successful or tenured as you is shooting,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: would mess with me, you know, with scope on the
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: animal for thirty minutes or whatever. That that wasn't it. No,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I was aware of we should back up. Well, I
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: might back up and tell the story a little bit so,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: but yeah, to get to that part. It was better
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: than we were having to wait for the get up.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: And I was nervous about um getting chili. Yeah, sitting
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: in the snow and then in the little gap of
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: visibility was so narrow that you couldn't like go and
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: start the proble sense of trying to put a warmer
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: clothes on, because then you might get I killed a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: nice buck one time, my pants down, not like what
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: you think, putting trying to get my long John's on,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: trying to get more before the Zippies. Before the Zippies,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I hiked up to a spot, got where I wanted
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to be for the evening sit. Got to the evening sit,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: thought I'm gonna get bundle luck so I'm gonna start
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: freezing my ask because it's all sweaty, and got my
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: pants off, started putting my l j's on lj is
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: around the ankles and then it kind of had my
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: lj's up, was getting getting back into my pants, and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, looking, here's the buck I was
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: trying to find. I got him too. I had to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: pull my pants up to run over there, um, but
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: didn't want to do that because I was afraid the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: goat would stand up and move while I was like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: one arm in a coat. So I was nervous that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I would started getting shivery, but I never got I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: wish I could say that I got shivery, but I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: never got shivery. Oh my god, I feel like such
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: a loser. Oh point I was trying when I was
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: pointing out our ages. Let me get back to that now,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: when we walk The whole story pointing out our ages is.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: When we were walking out, I was like, what a
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: learning lesson? What a learning lesson. But then I'm like,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like learning should be about wrapping it up.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: My kid he did his first two big game hunts,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: so he's tanned. You got a mule deer in a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: cariboo this year, he's in. He's learning, right, I did
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of learning in my twenties. I feel like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: the learning is about done. No, man never ends because
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: at a point your performance goes. It's like, I should
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: be at the the apex are apex guy? Still have
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: my physical abilities, I stive my cognitive abilities, and I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: have uh like a tremendous amount of honey experience that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I've been um able to get through my career. Right,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm probably I should be this should be like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: at late forties, should be like what like you'd think
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that right now would be this moment of just perfection
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and you don't make mistakes. It was damned close, right,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I mean it was that goat was in a real
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: tough spot to get on and it took us a
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: lot of patients to work through that country. It that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: that wasn't a slam dunk, that wasn't let's climb up
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: over this ridge and as soon as you look over
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: the top how long did it take us to get
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: in a spot where you get a shot five hours?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: It was five hours in and out of view for
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: a majority of it. So there's a lot that can
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: go wrong in that. So yeah, I mean to your point, yeah,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: we should. You feel like you should have every base covered.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: But then in hindsight, I looked back and given the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: information we had at the time, I wouldn't have changed
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: anything that we did. Absolutely not. When I was sitting
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: there when we finally found him yards way and his
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: head away from the stand up, I was sitting there
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: being like, uh, astounded by the good fortune m hm.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Because there was a lot of ways when we were
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: trying to put that little puzzle together, there was a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: lot of ways. I also wanted to point I was
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: called in the middle of the night when I was
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: sitting there, awake my Once we got up there and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: looked when I was flirting with storming his ridge top
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: would not have been a good plan once I saw
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: what it was actually like up there, umen Like you know,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: you ever know, when you go storm a ridge, it
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: could go like you never know, But it wouldn't have
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: been a great ridge storm. It would have been like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you could have killed him with a knife. It would
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: have been like either didn't get him or got him
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: with a knife by the time you like when you
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: when you arrived in his zone, you'd have been like
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: on him in presume, but he would not be there anymore.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: But let's say he was sort of deprived of smell,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and let's say there's no sense of vision and no
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: sense of smell, or sorry, no sense of hearing and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: no sense of smell. It would have been a knife
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: fight and you would have gone off the other edge. So, yeah,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to point out to you, Kurt, that you're
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: feeling that storm and the ridge was not smart Um
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: it was not. Yeah, you were that that perspective of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: yours was validated by the actual layout, which was not
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: quite how I envisioned it. Yeah, it was a lot
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: smaller there. Everything just looks a little bit larger. For example,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: we thought that he was sixty or eighty yards from
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: that pinnacle, and you get up there and find out
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: that man that's only ten or fifteen yards or twenty yards.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: It's just it's weird how perspective from that lower elevation,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: as you're working up into that country, how it changed
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: changed so much man um dirt head pointed out on
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: this billy goat weird stock and uh dirt to point
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: out he was bedded on a knife ridge. So it's
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: like kind of like the primary range, not even the range, boy,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: it it's like sort of the primary ridge line. Andre's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: he's like a very steep night finger ridge that comes
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: off it. And he's better there. He can look everything
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: to the right, everything to the left, and then straight
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: ahead is just sky. But it doesn't matter because nothing
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: come up that thing. And uh, he's betted on a ridge.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: It's no wider than him. Yeah, he was like his
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: body consumed the entire width of the ridge top. It
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: was like laying on a knife Yeah. I was impressive.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: And if you roll the foot, you know, the opposite
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: way that he was looking, he would have fell several ft.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to sleep up there. No, no,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: you roll off those things like heights. Yeah. We slept
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: down a goofy little ridge like that one time sheep hunting,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and my brother Matt said, if I'm not here in
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the morning, throw my boots off. Can I ask her
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: the question just to your point about you think you
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: should get to a point where you're not learning. I mean,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you've accumulated so much knowledge there shouldn't be learning process
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and experience. Did you learn something new this week? Oh yeah,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: yeah absolutely. Um. I think the communication portion. I thought
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: about that where we were in the spot where you
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: were set up, and I was trying to one of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: the things that we hadn't talked about his shot placement,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: especially to your point about hitting them in the shoulder,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: and when we are trying to kind of communicate back
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: and forth that both of us were on the same
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: page to try to hit in that shoulder. Afterwards, I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: thought I should have communicated more on the hair that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: you've just done that had done that, I'd be picking
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: blood off from my so so really it's my fault.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I hope you woke up two in the morning. Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: When I woke up last night, I was like I
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: was up for a very long time. I remember looking
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: at my phone be like, how is the only two man?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I'm already like up, just up obsessing. It just turned
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: into anger for Kurt. I wanted to know the answer
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: on my phone now is if it rings it to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: this morning? Yeah, in the end of apocalypse now, Uh,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Kurts doesn't he talk about a vision of a snail
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: inching along a razor's edge. Fact check, that might have
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: been re dux. It might have been the extended cut. No,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: he like talks about floating the Ohio River. Is when
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: he's he's like out of his mind. When Willard and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Kurt's finally meet, Kurt's talks about floating down the Ohio River.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: And because Willard catain Willard's from Ohio, Kurt's talks about
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: that he flow to the Ohio River as father, and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: he remembers all the smell of the Guardinia's talks about
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: a snail on a razor blade, talks about a concept
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: hitting him like a diamond bullet. That's good ship man. Anyways,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: that goat was laying out there like a snail on
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: a razor blade. Uh. To back up, describe the area
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: we went into, Kurt Um. It's it's in a very
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: long drainage. I'm going to say the entire drainage is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: probably close to twenty miles long. Uh. There's a road
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: that runs up somewhere in the ten twelve mile range,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: So there is a major portion of the upper end
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: of that drainage that doesn't see a lot of foot traffic.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of cliff bands, old growth timber where
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say old growth, more like dark timber patches
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: that run down through. And then there was a burn
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: that had rolled through a portion of it as well,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: So it's it's really good goat country. Um, a lot
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: of escape cover, um. And and then because of the burn,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of feed because a lot more of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: its open right now than let's say it was twenty
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: years ago. And it ties into the back side of
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: of a lot of roadless area as well. So you
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: see these goats being able to use multi pulled drainages
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: and move between them where you have a fairly large
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: circumference of area that doesn't see a lot of traffic,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: especially once they're snow on the ground. And um, most
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: of it's in the nine to ten thousand foot range
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: where the goats are living, and um they're typically later
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: in the year like we're at right now. There isn't
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of elk population or deer population, which also
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't you don't see a lot of hunters either, primarily
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: because of that, and access becomes very difficult when the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: snow gets deep. So it's it's real ideal goat country, um,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: but can get a little bit tricky late in the season.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: The lack of other games really noteworthy. Man, it is
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: it is, And I've been hunting that area for twenty
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: five years, and as we had spoken about before, I've
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: seen a very noticeable differ prints in primarily elk populations.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: It used to be phenomenal elk counting, and I think
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: that there's lots of different discussions about why, uh, some
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: people would like to point the finger at wolves. There
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: seemed to be a transition somewhere along that line. I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: can't for sure say that that's exactly what it is,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: but as we were driving into the area, I think
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: something that was very telling was down in the valley
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: floor in the farmland there had to be two hundred
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: head of elk out there in out in farm ground
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: that you would years ago you would never seen that.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: And so whether migrations are changing or actual what they're
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: preferring for habitat, it's kind of anybody's gas. But back
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: to your original point, it's it's really neat area in
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: in the fact that it doesn't draw a lot of
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: people in after say September, and so it's it's a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: pretty cool experience being able to go on these types
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: of hunts where you're not seeing other boot tracks, um,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: and you're just not seeing a lot of pressure. Yeah,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: it just takes twenty some years to twenty two years.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: And then we saw a number of big horns and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: it was like like one tag. How many tags are
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: in there? Yeah? I think one tag and that unit
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: and that'll take a lifetime to draw, oh for sure. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: if you're lucky. Um, we went in there and it's
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: like there's a thing that happens this time of year.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I guess it could happen anytime of year. Uh. To
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: film hunts, you know, there's a lot of there's a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: lot of logistics and crew and people got a plan
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: for it, right, And you need film permits, and when
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: you get a film permit, you need to like apply
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: for certain dates. Right. It's you wind up where you
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: have you like settle on a date window and there's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of that date establishes a lot of inertia, right,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: It's like like that's the date, you know, because so
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: and so we got you know, camera guys booked, and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: we got our permits for that date. And then as
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the date gets closer than you kind of go like,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I forgot about the whole weather part of this.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: And as the trip's coming up, it just gets like
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: just the picture just gets bleaker and bleaker. Um of
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: early kind of not I don't want to say freak.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: It's definitely not freak, but a significant early snow storms,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: a series of early snowstorms. Yeah, to winter storm warnings
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: while we were out, like actual like Weather Service winter
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: storm like advisories for the area. Yeah, like today we
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be sitting here right now, we should be up there.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: But it's supposed to get fifteen inches of snow there
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: today and we already got like what foot overnight it
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: would have been. Yeah, and then the and as this
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: as the as our goat hunts coming up and I'm
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: looking at the weather, there's sort of like comfort and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: it was a comfort factor, which I don't want to
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: sit and act like isn't a thing. It's like, of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: course it's the thing. You know, you can talk through
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: it and you have the right gear and make it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: But it's still like an issue. Comforts and issue, um
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: not nearly the significant of an issue is difficulty and travel.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: So you're already in very precarious just steep ship. Right,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: you're a lot of steep ship. And there's a lot
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: of routes that you can't take. There's a lot of
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: places you'd like to get to that you can't just
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: go in the way that would you know, just like
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: go to it. It's a lot of like this and that,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: and you know down when you should be going up
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: and around, you should be going straight in order to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: arrive at these like points you want to get to
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: because the cliff aces and and other things, and you
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: add snow on there and it just adds this like
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: a little it's like a level of stress. And like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: even that level of stress is like a real thing. Um,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you can tough through it and have the right gear,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: but it's like just a thing that's there, and it's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: it just changes the experience. But the primary thing is
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: a visibility. Um. When I talked about getting that killing
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: that nanny that I killed some years ago, Ah, we
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: went into an area and sat in the fog, just
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: got to our hunt area, sat in the fog for
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: three days. Then all of a sudden, poof it was gone,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: and we realized that rimming the canyon walls above us
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: was mountain ghosts that had been listening to our conversations.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I mean this week, yesterday was the only day that
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: we had visibility all day. It was every other day.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: It was a window of of clear Yeah. Um, we
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: we went in and hiked in and just right away
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: we went in doing good visibility and right away just
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: like seeing goats and when you draw a goat tag, uh,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: you're allowed to hunt a nanny or ability. You're allowed
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: just like a goat, write a mountain goat. They would
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: prefer strongly, I shouldn't say they people that want there
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: to be a lot of mountain goat hunting opportunities. UM
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: and state game agencies which really prefer that you shot
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: a billy. And they'll actually make like I make instructional videos.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I voiced, I didn't like come up with the material,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: but I've voiced a video one time, like read the
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: script for a Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance video about how
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: to um how to tell nanny from ability. They wanted
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: to kill the males, and I read some statistic ones
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: that if goat hunters off mountain goat hunters only killed males,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: only killed billies. I don't know this is a statistic
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I heard. I don't know if it's how valid. Is
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: if they only killed billies, there will be four times
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: as many mountain goat tags. I don't know if that's
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that holds up. I read that
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: somewhere they don't want you shooting the females. Um. I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: voiced that video, which I'll point out like I voiced it,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: but I'm not uh good at it. I'm not like
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: great at identifying. Um. I sit there a lats scratch
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: my head looking at a lot of goats. Uh. For me,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: it's like when you see a kid, like a nanny
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: with an offspring, I'm like, that's a female. Other than that,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn that. My mind tries to turn everything
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: into a billy. Well, I didn't. I didn't realize, which
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sad to say. The nanny's had significant horns. I don't.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if many people know that they gotta
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: they got a horn. I mean they look and it
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: was tougher than I ever imagined to just distinguish other
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: than they're being, like you said a group of them
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: that it would be like, oh, those are nanny's Kurt
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: pointed this out, and it's actually remember just being in
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: the past is like another time I drew a goat
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: tag on the Key nine, didn't get a one because
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: we passed up many opportun females. I remember, like every
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: female you look at your like trying your hardest to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: turn it into a mail. But then you see a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: billy and it's like, there's a billy. Yeah, And I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: remember we had that same thing out of kena fence.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: You saw a billy. We're like, oh, all the time
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: we've been spending trying to like talk these nannies into
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: being billies, Like that's the sun bitch and billy, you know,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: and you just know what knows that was true on
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: this one. But seeing all kinds of nannies, man. And
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: then the second day of the hunt, we woke up
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: and you couldn't see ship anything until like what time
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: of day one too, It was one o'clock fourth things,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: and then you're just seeing parts and pieces. Well, it
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: was funny. The funniest thing about that day that really
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: stuck sticks with me is that we went to a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: little glass and look out and we just went there
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and we couldn't see anybody. Just went there anyways to
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: sit and see if we get some Claire windows. And
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Kurt knew about another little looking spot he wanted to
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: go check out. That was a twenty minute walk if
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: at more, just like wrap along, wrap across the ridge
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: top and an upward direction, and you get a look
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: into this other bowl that actually drains down into a
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: different drainage. And uh, at one point where let's go
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: check it out, let's go verify that it's too foggy.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: So we very if we walk up the like, oh wow,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: it's foggy over here too, just like we expected, and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: walked back and we get and here's the set of
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: tracks solo, a single set of mountain boat tracks that
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: not only walked through our We're like literally walked through
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: where we were sitting, we later learned, walked between two
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: of our tents and actually followed our bootprints in our
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: absence in the in the forty minutes that we were gone,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: came through our tents, followed our boot tracks through our
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: glass and spot, and then walked and wrapped around the hill.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah literally, like if it was two inches to the right,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: it would have tripped on my my guides from on
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: my tent, walked like walked next to the tent within
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: well within three ft of our fire ring. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, there must have been so much
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: scent in that zone of us that it just was
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: and it just walked right through it. That's that's Murphy's law.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I know it's overdone, but that is Murphy's love. I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: don't think that's Murphy's Murphy, what's your impression of Murphy's
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: lawder if it could go wrong? But that's not wrong.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: You know. Actually I'm gonna adjust that if a goat,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: in my mind, Murphy's if a goat were to walk
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: through camp and a glass and knob, it would happen
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: while we're looking. Oh yeah's you're right. You're right. It
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: is Murphy's lost through when you're sitting there. Just I
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: think that they like, I think the only thing they
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I think they care a lot about what they see.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: The smell is an so I think like their whole
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: groove of how they stay alive is based off um,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I'll see the problem and I'll go to a place
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: where nothing's gonna mess with me. Mm hmm. Well, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: that that saddle, that pass that we were in when
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I had the tag last year, the exact same thing happened.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: It was just over a longer course of time. I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: had left camp, went up where we went, but then
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I had gone up over the peak down the back
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: side and was probably gone for three hours. Came back
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and there were three sets of tracks that came right
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: by my tent, right through that. So it's a little
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: goat mag it is it is, and that that that
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: bowl that we saw, I was coming right up through
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: there as well. I think it's almost like a funnel. Yeah,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: a little hot like a little hot tip. Is we're
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: a bunch of ridges whatnot, kind of like collide together
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: in a low benchy saddle, it's gonna come through. Yeah,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: it's just like a little funnel. Yeah, there was what
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: three or four three drainages that or you know, the backside,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: there was a lot coming to that saddle. There was,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: um but yeah, we lost a half day there. Just
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: don't add their chester. Yeah, that happened actually multiple times,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: not just that one time. Uh, as I was going
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: to glass that night, there were more tracks in our
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: tracks going for the opposite direction. Um, like four sets
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: of tracks in our tracks going right up past our
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: camp again right in our tracks um, have you been
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: telling a lot of people that you got to play
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: guitar with Luke Holms? You got to play Luke Holms
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: guitar and sing? Chester is not even though, No, I haven't.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Haven't told a lot of you haven't leveraged it socially. No,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: he's got a wife. Yeah, I got a wife and
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: I liked being a little incognito. Do you real quick?
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: How you how you been enjoying your marriage? You've been married?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: How long? Though? I've been married since August nine and
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: things are pretty good. I haven't got kicked to the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: couch at or the doghouse, so I feel like I'm
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: doing pretty good. Did you guys know Chester got married
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: in a homemade bolow time made out of elk candler.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know that, but I know did Chester make it?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't make it. You're an artist who made it?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: You like such a little craftsman. Sounds like a little
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: bird too. One of Danielle's friends made him for us.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Seth has one too. Yeah, he was in my wedding.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: When I saw a picture of Seth, he was basically
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: I saw a picture of Seth a wedding. He was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: basically at the point where like some uncle has his
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: neck tie tied around his head like a headband. There
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: was a lot of chest in the night, like a
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: cloud of smoke around him, like one aisle open. He
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: probably it looked just look like he just caught the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: guard belt. I think if there have been a series
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: of photos, like a burst of photos, it just would
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: have been that picture and then another following frames of
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Seth just slowly tik me down to the ground. If
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: you'd have had the next time would have been tied
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: around your head. This is like dancing like. Sethi was
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: like ready to dance on the table. Yeah. No, I
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: had been dancing very hard. He was like, can they
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: play Money Money again? I was ready to do anything
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah. He's like, oh, they could just
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: play Celebrate one more time. If they've turned on Mombo
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: number five, I'm gonna burn this place. That's probably the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: most tuned up I've ever seen you, Seth. Oh, is
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: that right? It was a good reason to party, man, Yeah, yes,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: you're getting married. Seth was saying he wants to um Seth.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you caught that, but Seth's kind
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: of wants to go to a bar with me. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: that's one of my life goals is to go to
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: a bar with Steve. But we could we go to bar,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: does it? What do you do you mean that because
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: you think that that would mean I'll be real drunk
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: or just that that will be just I just like
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: going to dive bars, and I think it'd be cool
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: to just But what would you want me to do there?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Be be drunk and start a fight? Yeah I would
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: like that, I mean somebody with a stool to But no,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: I just like chat and I go to dive bars
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: all the time. Just have a beer. Just oh I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: would love to shoot. I want to set a date
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: to go just after you get your goat, I thought
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: getting the shot. Oh yeah, I'll do that right down
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: right down the street. You got it all picked out? Yeah,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: just cross the railroad tracks. What we set I can't
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: perfect spot? Oh yeah that place? Oh yeah? Oh so
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: we want to get back to this thing though, But no,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: go I'll go. I don't go to bars, but I'll
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: go to a bar. We could buffer you too, because
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get the see one niner man.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: I's gonna wear my mask with a straw. My brother
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: thinks they ought to rebranded to see one niner. He
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: likes the sound of that better. It sounds more aggressive. Um,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: we're trying to get a mask and poke a hole
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: in it and run a straw. That's drink my shots
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: like that. That should be mandated'll be like z's free drinking.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: How do you close the gap? You're gonna have to
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: like Chester Cocke, he's a he's a crafty guy. It
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: is a bummer coming back into town after being in
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: the mountains for a couple of days. You're like, you
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: do forget about COVID and like all the crazy stuff
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: going on. You're just like, yeah, that's all still here.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: You know. It's better than a straw. Is a big
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: hood where you can do all your hand functions in
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: a thing like a bubble. Yeah. Oh yeah. There's like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: a little pass through port where they can hand glasses. Yeah,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: what's those balls down a hill? You know one of
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: those Remember when Et like when he got all sick
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: that thing, right, Yeah, be like get to go to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: the bar and at I'll go down there and get wasted. Yeah,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: but I don't like having the part of the reason
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: I quit drinking a lot like the part of reason
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I quit getting drunk, um was because I didn't think
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: it was fair to my kids, who didn't ask to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: be born, right, they didn't like request to be born.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was fair to them to be
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: hungover in the morning. Yeah, that's some that I mean.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: And I found myself being like irritated on days that
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: I would be hung like on a Sunday or whatever, Saturday, whatever,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: hell be hungover and sort of like irritated by their
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: presence when they were little because they were needy in
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: the minute. I had that feeling and be like, dude,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: they didn't like ask to come live in the house.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: It's like you had him and brought him and now
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: you're annoyed at him. Should a made some different decisions, man. Yeah,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: that's when I wanted to quit being drunk. No, that's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: that's smart. A lot of people don't do this. Sick
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: of being hungover. Man. But I had two little cocktails
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: last night. I had a coffee that you had a
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: little coffee. I had a coffee and then I had
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: a giant uh rum cocon party and coconut. What do
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: you call that? It's called Jimmy Buffett. I was reading
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: an article one time in a magazine. It was about
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: like what celebrities like drink, and I took note of that.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: There was Jimmy Buffett was being featured and he was
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: saying how you can't get hung over coconut water drinking
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: coconut water and rum. I've disproven that, disproving that, but
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: it's a safe bet zero hangover this morning. Oh yeah, Mr.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Half day because the fall m yep tons of Nanny
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: show could have a lot of shot opportunities on Nanny's
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: stock opportunities, a lot of me thinking Nanny's were billies,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of me trying to talk him into being billies,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: just at least giving them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: But then what was it the second or the third
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: day that we ended the third day that we spotted
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: the one billy that we believe that it was the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: one that we got on three days later. So and
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: there were a couple of goats obviously that we're in
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: spots that were so far off the by themselves that
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: you would suspect that they were billies, but you just
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: couldn't verify it. Whether rolled in on a couple that
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: were up high. Do you think trusting that we can
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: get it worked out and you're able to adjust your
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: schedule him go back out again. Um. I feel that
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: we would if we if we spend and we should
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: spend a day or two on this, I feel like
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: we would find that billy again. Yeah, yeah, I I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: as long as he don't know, I would make that
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: my plan. But I wouldn't be surprised, and it would
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: you never really know, But I wouldn't be surprised that
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, he's like back in one of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: those zones that we know him doing the habit. That
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: would not surprise me in the least. You know what
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: you said when you spotted him. Huh, well, yeah, I
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: don't think you can stay it here. Oh no, no,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: you had just spotted a ram and then you said bingo,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, which is totally family friendly. That is family friendly,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: he said, bingo. You would you would know if if
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: you shot that goat, probably if it was the same one,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: because there might be a little tough to hair missing,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: like that bear in the great outdoors. Yeah, oh my god. Man. Um,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: there's six weeks. This is the will There'll be a
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: part two to this. There's six weeks of season left. Um,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I just really ah um, just so disappointed myself. I
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: was really disappointed for you at the time. You give
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: me a hog, I would have too, I'd still do it,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: but I looked that down. Yeah, I think I think
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of perspective because back to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: when we were talking about it earlier, when you put
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: in for something like this for twenty two years, I
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that you don't put in
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: for it because you want to go, yes, I'm doing
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: this like it would make an exchange. Yes, it is.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: It is vastly about the experience that you have, the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: memories that you make, um, the things that you learn,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: and kind of at least for me, and one of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: the things that I really enjoy about this style of
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: hunting is that it's always pushing your envelope just a
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: little bit. Um that you're you're staying out when it's colder, Um,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: you're accessing country that maybe you don't feel comfortable in.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: And every time you push that envelope, your envelope becomes
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: larger and you become more experienced, and you you become more confident,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: and you don't I don't necessarily get that with other
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: styles of hunting that you do with the alpine style,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: and so where your experience putting in for this for
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: twenty two years could have ended at five days. It's
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: almost like a gift, you know, you get your tag again,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: you get to go again, you get to go have
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: those experience because it's so much different than than any
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: other style hunting, at least that I do well. She
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: hunting is very similar, but I don't know that. I
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: think that's why it's it's my favorite favorite time in
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: the outdoors, and it's not always the most fun at
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: the time. It's often the most challenging. I had been
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: in on a couple of one day go once and
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: it was a little bit of like my impression. My
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: old girlfriend has to the molaster, drew it once and
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: we got it in today. My brother drew it, got
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: it today. Yeah, I feel like they can go either way.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard lots of stories and and the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: odds definitely go up if you go in on the
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: earlier season. Everything becomes more complicated in the late season.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: You have to have a different kid of gear, travels
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: different obviously, whether locating them becomes as we have seen,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: extremely tough. What makes you want to weight just for
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: people to weariness. What makes you want to wait is
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: that they get that big crazy hair. Yeah, because no
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: one in the world is gonna get a mount and
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: goat and not have it the rug Tand yeah, I mean,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it happens, but that's generally like it's like
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: a muskox hide. You're like throwing a dumpster hopefully not. No,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: it's like a thing of great beauty. It is. Yeah,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: it's amazing, and especially this time of year they get
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: that thick wool because they end up with the longer
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: guard hairs, the hollow guard hairs, and then they get
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: that real fine wool, uh right next to skin and yeah,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. So it's beautiful. Oh, Rich are
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: you willing to talk about your your Oh yeah, talk
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: to lay out your little decision making process there day. Well,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: so yesterday we got into uh, going up to get
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: that go that we spotted, and we got into an
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: avalanche shoot and I don't really know what happened, but
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: we got to a spot where we had kind of
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: tucked around. It's like pretty mellow climb right, like you
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: could have gone up that in view of the goat
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: but that stretch was like wide open. It was almost
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: like pastory, like very mellow, but it was in view
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: of where the goat could have been. So to avoid
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: going up that and getting spotted and blowing the goat out,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: we wrapped around the edge of that, which happened to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: be one side of a pretty steep avalanche shoot and
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: below is just like a river of timber and then
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: a little creek below that and the river of down
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: timber debris field from an avalanche like pungee sticks of
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: like giant break yeah. Um, and we like started going
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: up that and then I think Kurt spotted the goat
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: right where you guys were pretty far away from me
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: and Garrett, and I think Garrett was in front of me,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: And then we had to down climb that. I don't
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: know what that was like sevent was that too much?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Pretty accurate? And that was I don't know what what
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: was the angle? It was steep. I remember looking at
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Garrett and being like, this looks damn near vertical. Man.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: You stick your arm out and you're touching the ground.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I mean if you stick your arm out horizontal. And
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: we had crampons at this point and ice acts. We
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: weren't on ice. It was still like soft soil, so
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: you had purchase snow. Snow though wet snow so it's slippery.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened, Like something just gripped
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: me and I just got like way out of my
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: comfort zone. And I've never had that happen on any
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Meat Eater shoot. I've been shooting the show for five years,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: and I've never gotten like totally freaked and just not.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I just felt like out of my ability to keep moving.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: And there's a thing like in climbing where you just
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: like freeze and you can't you just like don't know
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: how to make your body move. And that happened to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: me like multiple times on that down climb, and it
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: was just so weird, like a hummingbird's lips, yeah, not
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: a woodpecker. And uh so we find I get down,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: we get down to this little spot where there's this
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: frozen waterfall, and yeah, I was just like I feel
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: totally out of my ability to do this. And then
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: you guys were all, you know, super super nice and
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: very supportive and and we're like, if you know, if
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: you don't want to do it, you don't have to
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: do it. And I made the call to to leave,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: and it was a really hard decision. I felt very guilty,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: really extremely But then you shared with this that you
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: had had but then you'd had this feeling of that
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: something bad is gonna happen. I didn't want from that.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: I know the last thing you left us with was
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling something bad's gonna happen. Well, I remember looking
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: at you guys just bee like be really really fucking safe,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: and because something just felt fucking weird about the whole thing. Man,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it was totally my head?
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: But you know, like once you get in your own
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: head about stuff, it's hard to get out of it.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I noticed, like I could see it
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: was funny because just having been with you in a
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: lot of yeah, well, I mean there's a lot of situations,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: including a bunch of situations of steep stuff, wet snow
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: and just skipping along problem you go lucky. Um. I
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: it was like I watched you sort of have um
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: like I was like you would you You're totally fine,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Like I've just seen you do this so many times,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: but you just had like a thing entered your head.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: Something happened. Yeah, it was really weird and like not
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: to not to say you shouldn't pay attention that you
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: have to pay attention to it, but to your point,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: like the day, the last day that we had camped
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: before we rolled out because that big storm was coming in,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: we had gotten up on that one glass and knob
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: that was like when we were out on the end
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: of it man, and if you had fallen off, you
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: would have been toast and we're skipping around him there
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: filming ship and like you were like you were disappointed
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: that that in that area, we were like mindful of time,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: didn't want to go down in the dark. I couldn't
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: really see any reason to keep going. It was like
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: very dicey to keep going for like no reason. It
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: was like it wasn't like we were stalking something. It
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: was just like trying to find the source of a
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: set of mountain goat tracks. And you were like wanting
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: to keep going. And in my mind that would have
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: been like kind of like borderline stupid, yeah, because we
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: weren't like after something. It was just to the point
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: where like I would go if there was a thing there,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: if there was like a shot operate, like if we're
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: like Okay, there's ability, let's try to get a shot.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Then I'm like, okay, let's just go. But I would
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: never be like just to get another twenty yards of
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: visibility over the top of the ridge. It just wasn't
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: worth it to me. Yeah, that didn't freak me out
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: at all. But then you entered a little mind space.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: There was just something about I just kept looking down
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: at that that avalanche shoot and just like I could
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: just like see my body all crumpled up like that
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: fucking goat. You shot my brains, fucking goneng by my
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: wristwash and I just like, yeah, man, I just got
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: like so rattled, and yeah, I don't. We sat there
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: for a long time, and you got like we gotta
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: like the goatskin way around all day. It was a
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: hard decision, man, it was really I came down bombed,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: and I came down and talked to these guys. They
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: saw me come down the trail and they were all
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: worried all day. Chester ran up and thought everybody died. Yeah.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: The look on Chris's face, big wide open eye is like,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, in some ways it kind of has a
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: symmetry to Steve's miss shot, and that there's this sense
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: of of like I let the the greater hole down. Yeah, definitely,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean yeah, Chris, you were obviously like
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: very frazzled by not the decision, but the fact that
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: you made the decision of that make sense. And it's
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: not like I'm not afraid of like not like I'm
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: not trying to be macho and me like, oh, I
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: can just do it. And what it was just like
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: I don't care about that. The thing I care. I
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: just don't want to not one do the thing that
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: I'm here to do, which is to film the show,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: and also not have this experience that I love having
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: with all you guys. So like it was, Yeah, it
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: was just a it's weird, man, It's I'm gonna be
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: thinking about it for for a long time, much like your
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: goat thing when you wake up too in the morning.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about talking. Why don't you tell me about
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: the hair thing? Go ahead, Chester, then we're gonna we're
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: gonna wait and then we're gonna we're gonna wrap her
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: up because then we're gonna part two. Man, I'm gonna
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: call that episode the return. This episode be the miss
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: the reason why I think these guys all like passed
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: away up there is because you didn't hear what I said.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: You were walking down the trail Chris towards me and
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: I said, is everything okay? And you kind of had
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: this You shook your head no and you had your
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: head down. And at that moment, I trying to give
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: you guys a thumbs up because that entered my head
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: that like, oh, they're probably thinking something bad happens. So
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I try to be like, no, it's all good, gone
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: to Heaven up they're up. Ah, yeah, man, Yeah it
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: was weird. It was a weird one long time left. Yeah,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I just am So. You know what celebrities do a
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: thing that they got to apologize on Instagram, They make
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: the apology video. I'm doing a lot more listening than
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: talking these days. That's like one of the things. And
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: you also have to um be like I'm very humbled.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: I'm humbold. Yeah. If I didn't do anything bad, I
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: didn't do like a celebrity mistake. I'm just humbled, humbling
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: train the whole deal is humbling about the miss dude,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: I know, but it's it's all part of it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: I say, if you're if you're not learning you ain't earning.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, buddy poetry, how's that go again? If you're
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: if you're not learning, you ain't earning. That's what I'm
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: gonna call this episode. That's a good one. And then
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: the next episode will be the second miss or it'll
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: be the fall of the Goat, the lost the lost
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: body be like an Evert an Everst character. All right, man,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: we'll be back with a dead goat. With Noble Steve
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: so struck with grief and saddled with self loathing. We
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: knew he'd have to try again or else he'd risk imploding.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: So we mobilize the cavalry, the whole meat eater crew,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: and sent Noble Steve back on the hunt. Here's the
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: story of Attempt number two. Okay, we're back for part two.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: The only difference now is that it'll you'll you'll notice
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: a slight sound difference because we're not in our studio.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: And also you'll this part to the Mountain got deal
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: and uh, Chris Ridge Pounder Gil is not with us.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Oh than a remind refresh everyone's memory. Who's here. I'm
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: feeling a lot better. I feel a lot better. Rick. Yeah,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy that you feel better, because when you
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: feel better, that means we don't have to keep going
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: out there because I know, yeah, people were worried. Chester
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: still here, Chester still here, Seth. Even though to you
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: the listener, this this part one just rolled into part two.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: But what you don't realize that, uh, it's a long
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: time later. Summer, summer came back, Summer came back. Winner
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: just showed up, Seth. Girlfriend shot a testicle. This dear yep,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: real nice cactus buck fatty right, fatty dirt got dere
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Kurt hasn't got shipped, Andrey got here too. Prospects though,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: um uh, we'll get back to the mountain, go and
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: conclude our saga. But but talk about the explain the
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: cactus buck deal. I think people think so this is
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: a crazy story. Um my girlfriend Kelsey, she was it.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Last last week, No, a week and a half ago.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: We spent a week out in eastern Montana deer hunting,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: first week of the season. And um, the one night
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: we went out with Kelsey to try and find her
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: a buck, and we were six miles from our camp
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: and we found this really cool cactus buck, still in velvet.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: Its right side was somewhat normal, left side. It was
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: just like a just like six points sticking out of
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: the base of its antler, where like an aniler should be. Yeah,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: this is like a hormonal imbalance, right and um. For
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, we couldn't get on that buck that buck
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: that evening. We'd like crest the hill and he'd be
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: a thousand yards away, and then go over hill. We
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: get to that hill, he'd be a thousand yards away.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: He's out trying to find his testicles. Maybe I don't know,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna find him. Oh, I you know what
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I stopped the other day, take my ljs off?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: What you know how I took the other day? I
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: got hot and stopped and took my long John's off. Left.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Those sons of bitches layd there. Who walks away from
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: their long John's. Guess he's walking away from a track
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: and bowl to stand up and walk away from your
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: long john more priorities. So someone's gonna be like, oh,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: it's weird fair long johns. Maybe the long Johns. I
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: started looking for the corpse that would be mum anyway. Um,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: So we didn't get on that buck that even the
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: next morning, we decided to go on a quick bird
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: hunt in the morning rather than deer hunt, because there
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: was birds everywhere. And we're back at our camp, and
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: we left camp and walked over this one ridge and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: I glassed up on the hill and sure enough there's
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: that same book six air miles from where we had
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: seen him the night before. Who knows how how far,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: like with you know, he could to walk twelve miles
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: that night, hard to say, And it was, so it's distinct,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: and it's without a doubt because it's such a weird
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: like how many like bucks in velvet with a weird growth? Yeah,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: which the weird thing was that area. We had seen
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: seven different bucks in velvet that there's a thing on code.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: There's if you've heard of on Kodiak. There's like an
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: area that's famous for these these hormonally imbalanced cactus bucks
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: that like have weird formation in the velvet dries on
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: the rack. When you say cactus buck, I mean I
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: got that. They get these thorny looking antlers, these like
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: clubby Goofy's not the whole time I've been alive, I
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: didn't start hearing It's like I never heard about this.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Now every other day I hear about it from somebody,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: And just just by thumbing through Instagram, I have seen
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: several deer that have been taken this year. They were
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: still in velvet, different dates to Montana, Utah. Deer are
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: getting less manly. Yeah, crisis of masculinity and the deer population.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: And this deer, this man some academic papers. All the
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: bucks that we had seen that week, we're hanging out
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: with other bucks. Up until this point, that was the
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: only buck that we had seen. It was hanging out
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: with those like he just thought he was just one
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: of one of the ladies, you know. And then his
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: berries were I was saying that he had lost him,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: but they were dwarf. They looked normal there. He had
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: a intact sack, and when I felt that, it just
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: felt like there was nothing there. There's nothing in there,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: not the sender or something like it. Did you had,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: you know what, maybe that's what happened. It didn't even
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: feel like there were any little raisins in there, you know,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: like he had the coin theres but there was no
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: change in drop. So you could just go on and
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: on with these metaporters. It's endlessly amusing. It's interesting, man
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: um Anybody if you want to read up on this
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: just go type in like cactus buck and there's all.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: There's way better explanations than we're providing. But it has
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: to do with like it not having it's uh, the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: proper dose of its masculine hormones, and for somehow it
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: like leads to weird antler growth and then the velvet
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: tends to dry yep on them, you could see a
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: The funny thing is at six miles that it traveled,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: you could see like a really ruddy buck, you know,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: cruising that distance. But why why you know, hermaphrodite dear
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it traveling? That doesn't
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: make any sense. I don't know. I picked up and
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: moved that far that night he was looking was poor
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: poor choice on his part because and again pushed around
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: like others. Yeah, maybe he gets his ass kicked all
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: the time. Maybe he just doesn't have the same amount
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: of one of the biggest body deer though I've ever
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: seen my life. Yeah, that's odd thing too, just huge.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Did you guys taste it yet? Um? I don't know.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: We we we didn't do a good job of keeping
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: track of well, once you got home, everything got all
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: mixed up. Yeah. Um, so we went back like ended
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: the mountain go hunting in despair. I had a midlife crisis.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: And it was winter. It was cold, cold. I went
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: through a midlife crisis. It's over now. I didn't buy
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: a car or anything, but I had a midlife crisis.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: It kept you awake at night, kept me awake at night.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Not only that, my wife noticed the difference in me.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: She knew that the missing hurt me hard. I heard
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: she was making fun of you for it made fun
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: of me. I felt embarrassed whenever I was around Kurt
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: when Jimmy, really, you go blow Kurt? If I only
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: could know, Uh, my wife is friendly with Kurt's wife.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: So I'll eventually find out what Kurt said about truly
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: felt What about your your boy? That company? Oh, Jimmy
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: was not so you disappointed in your dad? My boy
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: was not happy, just very like what Mr Pierce doesn't
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: understand how it could happen? Turned into summer again, turned
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: back in the winter, and um, we went back into
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: the same vicinity and it was just like it felt
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: to me like I mean, there was always it felt
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: to me like a lot of mountain golts had moved
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: into that valley for whatever reason, yeah, or I don't know,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: didn't it. Oh yeah, they were just everywhere. They were everywhere. Yeah.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: How many did we count that first day in the
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: zone that we were in and we were only in
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: one couple dozen once. I mean, it wasn't a small job,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: but it was just a fraction of the area. So
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: we went back, had a great beautiful weather window, got
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: after one billy that laid up in a in a
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: spot that made it very difficult to shoot at him,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: almost like he tends it, almost like it was his notion,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: almost like he meant it. Um didn't work out. The
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: next day went out and we realized something was happening
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: that I didn't really even going into this, didn't wasn't
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: aware of. Is that you enter into that you start
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: getting close to the mountain go rut. Yeah. So the
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: we found two bands, like two groups of nanny's what
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: like six to a dozen, I don't know, and each
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: of them had a billy mixed in. Yeah, and they
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: were close to one another. They were only yards apart. Yeah, definitely,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: like like the groups would definitely be aware of each
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: other and and you know, like interacting in somewhere or another.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: And it made it, Uh, after a lot of frustration
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: and looking at billy's that were hard to get to
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: or wanting how you're going to get to them, and
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: wondering where you're gonna shoot from if you do get
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: to them. It was like, Um, it was as though
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: one laid it out on a blueprint. You're talking Saturday,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: What did I'm sorry if I'm not being clear. Yeah,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: the one we got was so perfectly positioned two where
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: if you imagine like a little crease in a mountain,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: it's like on one side of the crease and the
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: opposing ridge you could just sneak up, walk up, pop over,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: shoot across everything perfect. Yeah, when there's six of us
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: versus just two people that you know are it's like
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: a whole different footprint for for travel. So having that
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: goat in a good position otherwise it's just like six people,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: are you know something? You know even if you sneak
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: around pretty good, something's gonna Did you guys end up
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: seeing another billy when you popped up? Did not Kurt
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: look forward to? Yeh? I find that there's some poetic
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: poetic justice. Maybe that's not the word. Um that the
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: shot difference, It was the exact same shot, and uh,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't have my struggles this time, didn't miss. It
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: was a little it was three or five, right, three
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: or six. But I found out in the days after
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: with ing my shot and contemplating it, I found out
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: a number of things, a bunch of little perfect like
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: a bunch of small things that added up. I went in.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: I had a rifle that I had said at a
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: two yard zero without actually making an actual two yards zero,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: like I arrived at it through math what my two
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: yards zero is, and in that process screwed up so
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: that my two yards zero was already high. Anyway. Then
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: I had like a a dope chart, you know, like
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: a drop chart, and I think that I think that
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: when I pulled that chart up, I was being lazy
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: and maybe even um I don't know if the auto
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: filled that sea level or whatever. I don't know, but
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: I was already high. My little dope chart was off
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: to make it more high. And then I was trying
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: to shoot the mountain go in the high shoulder, not
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: accounting for the massive amount of nothingness beneath the hair,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: so that I was probably already kind of aiming at
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: not even aiming at the mountain Go anyways, and yeah,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: just shot over his back and this time I went
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: back to normal aim and got him. Yeah that's a
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: good group. Um yeah, I forgot what you said when
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: we walked up to that goat, but when we skinned him,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: you said, like, that's that looks like a pretty tight
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: group right there. Yeah. Yeah, a couple of shots, a
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: few shots there that that all seemed to be like terminal.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: But he didn't show like Kurt confirmed the first hit
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: was a hit, but he sure didn't show the signs
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, he soaked up some rounds. Yeah, I
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: was surprised. Um four and a half years old and
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: the bile I went, I just this morning took it
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: to get it check. You have to with a mountain goot,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: you have to take it in to get it examined.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: And they pull a tooth and by looking at the
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: tooth eruption, well looking at the annual I so you
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: can count growth rings out him and Kurt, you had
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: a peg to four and a half years. But you
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: can see the lamb tip or the kid tip. I
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: guess like this first year growth and you see the
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: annually rings. Kurt pegged it at four and a half. Um.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: The biologists also felt four and a half based on
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: the annually and then the tooth eruption. The dental pattern
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: also backed up four and a half. But then they'll
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: send it off for like a cementum analysis. And an
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: old goat is like ten years older, and Kurt shot one.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, I shot one of those eight And yeah,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: I've heard of multiple goats being in that ten and
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: I think from what I've seen, very similar to what
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: you'll see with sheep where they can get twelve thirteen. Wow,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: But I know it gets it gets really tough to
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: count those rings when you have a goat that old,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: because they all stack up right there at the bottom.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not like a sheet where it's spread
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: out over thirty six to you or whatever. So this
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: thing's horn, it's long horn was nine inches and it's
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: shorter horn was I think eight and five six eight
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: or something like that, eight in five eighths. I can't remember.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: Very very sharp horns on it, very long, like long
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: winter coat, but not old like not a giant tasty,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: very tasty. And when I was down today getting my
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: thing checked, the guy, I don't know if I told
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: you guys this. The guy was in there with two
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: big horn deadheads, very old, look the same vintage, looked
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: like the same where on him one of them had
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of sheath on it still, and he
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: was getting him checked in and so he could keep
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: him for himself. Oh, he just found him, brought him
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: in to get him, brought him in to get him certified.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: Like you uhould not be able to have it at all.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: Right now, if you find when you can get it
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: checked it, did that change it this year? Last year?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: It was either last year or the year before. It's
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: just just as I think this is the second hunting
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Sea and where if you found something you could take
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: it in everywhere, because I mean I was, I was
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: telling you guys, we found that one on Grand Canyon
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: and you couldn't keep it. Yeah, and and I believe
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's obviously different between types of land national
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: forests or public ground post too. Oh. I wouldn't even
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: see a public ground, but I like parks and that
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: that's that's outside of that realm. So you didn't have
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: to check that at one time. Did a thing at
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: the New Mexico Fishing Game has this fundraiser where they
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: sell they auction. It's like for the it's like for
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: a group that's sort of supported. I can't hember how
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: it works. New Mexico Fishing Game Department, like some affiliate
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: organization or them. They have an annual auction where they
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: um they auction off like tags and stuff, governors tags one.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: I think they do it at this, but they also
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: auction off all the ship that gets hit by cars,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: all the poach stuff, all the stuff that people find.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: And they had all kinds of big horn heads down there.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: It was for whatever you found it, laying um confiscated stuff. Uh.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: I heard about a guy at one time that had
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: killed a bear in self defense and had to turn
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: into hide and skull, and then later went down to
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: the auction just as an anonymous person and bought his
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: bear back, and he had skinned it in some weird way,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: so he had like made the cuts in some unorthodox
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: fashion so that he knew for sure it was the one,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: because they then got it tanned, and he went down
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: and bought it at auction and knew it was his
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: because he'd skinned it in some way to leave his
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: mark on. And so now he's got his own totally legal,
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: but got his own thing back. What are you with
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: your goal? You're gonna how are you gonna have that?
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: Finished out? A rug with the head in? I had
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: a I had a tar him alan tar like that that.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: I gave you a buddy. Imagine like a classic bear
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: rug with two horns sticking out the top on the floor.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: Is it gonna be draped on the wall? The horns
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: are too sharp? Danger? I got a mountain lion I
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: did like that. That's on the wall. Um, I got it,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: like I said, I gave that tar away and then yeah,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang on the wall because the horns of
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: your kids can't be running around on that. No trip
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: trip on that thing came over, dude, its sharp, man.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: I was surprised by that. You attack it to the
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: ceiling maybe so now, Um no, I'm gonna put it
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: on the wall. Yeah, you don't got much wall space.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: I got a little spot for it. Okay, real quickly.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: You know that giant buck dug during shot all those
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: years ago, they call the standards. Doug took it down.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: Uh dog took it down to the tax and there
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: I was. You know, this is a good story. He
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: takes his buck down to the tax there was and
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: people are out dropping all their stuff off. But like
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: the text and it was just like get all these
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: cars out of the way, you know, let this guy
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: pull in. And and a guy asked Doug, um what
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: he's gonna do with it? And dogs like you've never
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: taken anything to a tax nervous before you noise? I
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I just like to get the
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: head mounted. And he said this, gaggles, that was my dear.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: I had stuffed the whole damn thing and I got
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: a place where I could put it. All right. We
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: had agreed that, um, wasn't it. We're supposed to have
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: a shot. That's chester Chester's rule. This is like a
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: like a like a Wisconsin celebration. Yeah, kind of we
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: were in Wisconsin and you shot a buck, we'd have
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: some kind of drinking that that conversation, remember we were
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: talking how we would like to go to a bar
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: with Steve, but I don't go to bars, but you
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: don't go to bars. And then this it turned into
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: chat saying if you get one, we need to have
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: a shot. You know, when I get s one niner,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna because I got that a bar. Yeah,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: I wish I could say the same. I want. I
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: don't want it to be that. I was like, oh yeah,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: he got C one nine? Or is that a bar?
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: What are you? What's the cheers? Was Johnny was here,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: he'd probably have a laughing one to a success you got,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: you got a good sky each year. Um to the
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: good ships, the bad ships and chips that sail the sea.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: But the best ships are friendships, and may they always
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: be box big goats. O. IM pretty sure that's an Irish.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: My problem is I was gonna slurt mine just to
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: make a loud noise so people people could have an
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: experience with me. But holy ship, that's smooth, right, he's
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: already looking at the bottle? Was that booned Crocket Club
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: whiskey seven? Seth gave me a bottle of that for
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: my birthday. Steve was over there that day and I
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: think we finished the whole bottle off that night. Okay,
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: here's we were saying earlier. I first applied for mountain
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: goat tag in this state. Uh, and finally Drew kurt you,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you You probably applied since you
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: were a little kid. Is this your first mountain coat tag?
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Last year, or had you drawn before in Montana? I
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: was the first one, and you had you been at
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: it for forever. I hadn't because the whole time I
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: lived in Alaska, so we just hunted gold up. Just yeah,
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: so I wasn't until I move back. Got you started
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: putting in getting points. But um, you're prohibited after you draw.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: You're prohibited from even a lying for seven years. Correct,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: So you're six years You got six years to go.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: I'm entering my seven year hiatus, hiatus from even applying.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: It took me twenty two years to draw last time.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: I'm forty six. That puts me the I can't do
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: that kind of that level of arithmetic. If I wait
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: the seven and then go twenty two, who's good a math?
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: Seventy five years old SI plus twenty nine, sty're looking
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: into an easier unit. Let's even if even if you
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: only go ten or fifteen, you're still you're still in
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: your sixth decade. Yeah, I don't know how many more
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: years I got, how many more years of this I
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: got left in me? That's a that's a tough I
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: like it. The Kurts older me because he's fine. Oh yeah,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: he's better than I am he's more spry. You guys
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: are both real spry. I was really happy to hear
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: that you were feeling bad because it helps. Dirt diagnosed
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: me not having enough of Regano extract. I got something.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: Steve was complaining about jello legs as we're, you know,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: going up three thousand vertical feet and uh, I mean,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: you gotta take your time no matter what. But that
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: helps me out toning along a camera. Yeah, yeah, that
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: was a big hike Friday. That wasn't That was the
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: biggest hike at the trip. I think big and slow
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: as far as gain Friday, Yeah, yeah, by that not Saturday. Okay,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the rest of my shot. All right,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: everybody out there listening, Uh, rest easy. My midlife crisis
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: is over. I got my mountain go seven years. I'm
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: gonna be back into the game. Or like Sid, get
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: the get the kids, take the kids out. Listen, man,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how many how many points do they have?
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: My five year old has two points? How manna ways?
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: Jimmy f too? Oh he does? I have four? This
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: is gonna be a while. Yeah yeah. My kid will
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: turn twelve when he's first able to apply for a
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: limited permit. He'll be coming into the draw. I can't
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: do that level of math. I don't know. He'll have
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: nine points I did do it. Is there an average
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: on how long it takes is twenty two years? Comment.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: What this state does is they square your points. So
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: let's say you accumulate a point one times one is one,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: so you're in the draw once. But let's say you're
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: a feller like me who's accumulated every bonus point you
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: could get. And I don't know when they put the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: system into effect, but it's a long time ago, in
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: the teens. So you have like fifteen times fifteen points. Dang, sure,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: odds are way better exponential. So but then everybody's like that.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: So everybody's in there. Everyone's name is in the hat
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: like some odd hundreds. Yeah, you had name T Eggs
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: in there. So I have sixteen points. Now away do
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: you have jet You probably have more than everyone's sitting here.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh so yeah you got two hundred.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: You got two hundred and fifty six bonus points. My
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: kids got two. No, he's got two times two four. Yeah,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: so you still got slightly better draws and than he does.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but still he's gonna be a while, all right, everybody,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: rest easy on my behalf. Oh plus them and go
• 2:09:38
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