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The Kenny Report | 28 April · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: The ugly fallout and pathetic excuses from Jimmy Kimmel over
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Speaker 3: the toxic climate of political hatred in the United States
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Speaker 3: after the latest assassination attempt against Donald Trump. Back here,
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Speaker 3: the Coalition promises more fuel storage and refineries, while the
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Speaker 3: ABC denies the crisis and pushes its climate change and
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Speaker 3: renewables agenda. I'll get expert analysis of why Malcolm Turnbull's.
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Speaker 2: Grand Mountain hydro plan will.
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Speaker 3: Cost taxpayers forty two billion dollars. The latest on the
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Speaker 3: Middle East, the isis Brides and the Royal Commission into
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Speaker 3: the Bondai Islamist terror massacre. We've found a new job
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Speaker 3: for Tim Blair and with Stephen Santa Tiampo and Cuzi O'Brien,
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Speaker 3: we'll look at King Charles visiting Washington.
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Speaker 2: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 3: We've got to follow up on the topic I started
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Speaker 3: with yesterday, and that is the toxic culture of political
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Speaker 3: hatred mainly generated by the political left against Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: in the United States and how it's created an environment
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Speaker 3: in which political violence and assassination attempts have become frighteningly common.
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Speaker 3: This topic has dominated debate in the US in the
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Speaker 3: fallout from the weekend assassination attempt on the US President,
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Speaker 3: the third attempt on his life, not counting other thwarted plots.
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Speaker 3: Last night, I showed you this clip from just last week,
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Speaker 3: just days before the latest horrible episode.
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Speaker 4: Our First Lady, Milania is here. Look at more so beautiful,
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Speaker 4: missus Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.
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Speaker 3: Well, the President, the White House, and the First Lady
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Speaker 3: have responded directly to Jimmy Kimmel Millenia. Trump tweeted that
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Speaker 3: Kimmel was spouting hateful of violent rhetoric intended to divide
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Speaker 3: the country. The First Lady said people like Kimmel should
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Speaker 3: not be allowed into people's homes every night to spread hate,
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Speaker 3: and she said enough is enough. The American commercial network
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Speaker 3: ABC should take a stand. Trump himself was more direct
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Speaker 3: in a long post, attacking Kimmel as someone who's not
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Speaker 3: funny and accusing him of making a despicable call to violence.
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Speaker 3: The President demanded that kim will be fired, and in
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Speaker 3: immedia briefing, the president spokesperson expanded on the theme.
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Speaker 5: This political violence stems from a systemic demonization of him
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Speaker 5: and his supporters by commentators, yes, by elected members of
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Speaker 5: the Democrat Party, and even some in the media. This
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Speaker 5: hateful and constant in violent rhetoric directed at President Trump,
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Speaker 5: day after day after day for eleven years, has helped
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Speaker 5: legitimize the violence and bring us to this dark moment.
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Speaker 5: Those who constantly falsely label and slander the President as
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Speaker 5: a fascist, as a threat to democracy, and compare him
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Speaker 5: to Hitler to score political points are fueling this kind
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Speaker 5: of violence. The left wing cults of hatred against the
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Speaker 5: President and all of those who support him and work
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Speaker 5: for him has gotten multiple people hurt and killed.
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Speaker 3: Whatever you think of Trump as difficult to disagree with
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Speaker 3: that assessment now. Apart from being a political bore and
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Speaker 3: recklessly inflammatory, in my view, Jimmy Kimmel is also a hypocrite.
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Speaker 3: Just a few years back, he was on CNN taking
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Speaker 3: the high moral ground against people making slurs and jokes
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Speaker 3: about then speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband being injured in a
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Speaker 3: home invasion.
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Speaker 6: And it's not just the smears that they put out
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Speaker 6: about Paul Pelosi, these deranged conspiracy theories. A lot of
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Speaker 6: these folks, right wing maga folks that try to make
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Speaker 6: jokes at Paul Pelosi's expense.
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Speaker 4: The line is when Don Junior tells a joke. That's
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Speaker 4: when Don Junior tells a joke. It's it's the line
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Speaker 4: has been crossed because it's not a funny person. The
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Speaker 4: idea that that it would be anything other than that,
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Speaker 4: that these people who are allegedly following the teachings of
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Speaker 4: Jesus it would behave in this way, it just it's
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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter, It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the sign man who jugged last week
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Speaker 3: about Millennia Trump being an expectant widow. Kimmel responded to
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Speaker 3: the condemnation just hours ago in his latest show.
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Speaker 4: It was a pretend roast. I said, our first lady,
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Speaker 4: Milania is here. Look at her, so beautiful, missus Trump,
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Speaker 4: you'll have a glow like an expectant widow, which obviously
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Speaker 4: was a joke about their age difference and the look
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Speaker 4: of joy we see on her face every time they're together.
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Speaker 4: It was a very light roast joke about the the
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Speaker 4: fact that he's almost eighty and she's younger than I am.
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Speaker 1: It was not by any.
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Speaker 4: Stretch of the definition a call to assassination.
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Speaker 1: And they know that.
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Speaker 3: Did that audience really laugh or was that canned laughter?
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Speaker 3: A couple of points. First, if you have to explain
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Speaker 3: a joke, it's not funny. And second, I don't believe him.
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Speaker 3: He was joking about the president not being with us
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Speaker 3: much longer, nothing about an age gap. And unlike his predecessor,
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Speaker 3: Trump has never appeared to be incapacitated. And yes, as
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Speaker 3: I said last night, Trump's invective is also over the
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Speaker 3: top too often. He needs to chill too, But overwhelmingly
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Speaker 3: the bile comes.
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Speaker 2: From the left.
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Speaker 3: Let me share how the hate pushed by the political
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Speaker 3: left and Hollywood and the media feeds on itself and
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Speaker 3: takes hold. Have a look at what this famous actor
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Speaker 3: said last year.
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Speaker 7: But the guy is a convicted felon or convicted rapist,
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Speaker 7: he's a pedophile, he's the worst human being. If we're
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Speaker 7: relying on this guy's morality for the most powerful country
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Speaker 7: in the world, and we're all on a lot of trouble.
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Speaker 3: Wildly inaccurate and hateful, but broadcast regardless. Then read how
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Speaker 3: the accused gunman from the Weekend used almost exactly those
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Speaker 3: same false claims. Rapist and pedophile to demonize his intended victim,
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Speaker 3: the President, and then see how immediately afterwards the media
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Speaker 3: picks up these claims as a serious question.
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Speaker 8: And he also wrote this, I'm no longer willing to
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Speaker 8: permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat my hands
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Speaker 8: with his crimes. What's your reaction?
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Speaker 2: Flow?
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Speaker 3: Just extraordinary, isn't it? No wonder Trump pushed back against
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Speaker 3: the journalist. No wonder, nutters around the US are motivated
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Speaker 3: towards hateful political violence. Most media are obsessed with demonizing
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Speaker 3: Trump rather than covering the issues they've helped to create
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Speaker 3: a dangerous environment. Talking about the distortions and deceptions of
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Speaker 3: the political left. Let's turn our eyes again on the
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Speaker 3: national broadcaster, the billion dollars plus a year taxpayer funded
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Speaker 3: ABC and its long standing propaganda war of climate alarmism.
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Speaker 2: And renewable energy evangelism.
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Speaker 3: Last night on Media Watch, instead of say examining the
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Speaker 3: media's role in the culture of political violence in the US,
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Speaker 3: or perhaps lies and deceptions about electricity prices in Australia,
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Speaker 3: Media Watch tried to hit back on behalf of Big Renewables,
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Speaker 3: attacking the Channel seven spotlight expose on the green dream
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Speaker 3: that we shared with you last week. True to form,
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Speaker 3: the anti journalism of Media Watch tried to debunk Liam
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Speaker 3: Bartlett's report.
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Speaker 9: Buttlet exposed those fueling demand for the metal with one
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Speaker 9: particular villain in mind.
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Speaker 10: So witness Shabara is to make you wonder where simple
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Speaker 10: humanity fits into the master plan of our government's renewable
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Speaker 10: energy policy.
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Speaker 9: And he had the proof a massive battery project in
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Speaker 9: South Australia built by Elon Musk's Tesla.
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Speaker 10: According to Amnesty International, this almost certainly contains blood cobalt
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Speaker 10: from the Congo.
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Speaker 9: It is likely this battery does contain cobalt sourced from
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Speaker 9: the DRC and may indeed have deserved the spotlight treatment,
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Speaker 9: but it also happens to be eight years old. In fact,
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Speaker 9: Tesla hasn't made a big battery with cobalt since twenty
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Speaker 9: twenty one.
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Speaker 2: So that's their big hit.
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Speaker 3: The ABC admits in passing that Africans in the Congo
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Speaker 3: are exploited in cobalt mining, but says Spotlight is wrong
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Speaker 3: because newer large batteries are moving away from using cobalt.
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Speaker 2: Newsflash, ABC, They're.
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Speaker 3: Still mining cobalt and the renewable and electrics industries are
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Speaker 3: trying to use less of it, but they still use it.
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Speaker 2: Demand is growing.
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Speaker 3: For rechargeable batteries, something the ABC seemed to admit through
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Speaker 3: an expert's advice.
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Speaker 9: There is dangerous and destructive mining of cobalt in the DRC,
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Speaker 9: and that metal does still find its way into our lives,
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Speaker 9: but not in big batteries.
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Speaker 11: When one phone's predominant cobalt containing lithium ion batteries are.
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Speaker 9: Vapes, E bikes, e scooter's, household appliances, mobile phones, laptops.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 3: Still the renewable zealots at the ABC thought they had
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Speaker 3: Bartlet on another point, But what.
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Speaker 9: If the other battery mentioned in the show, this sixty
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Speaker 9: megawatt installation at Clement's Gap in South Australia, which Liam
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Speaker 9: Bartlett highlighted as an example of taxpayer subsidies going to
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Speaker 9: a Chinese company, Does it contain cobalt?
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Speaker 3: Well, no, it doesn't, and Bartlett did not claim it does.
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Speaker 3: So the ABC picks up on a claim that wasn't
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Speaker 3: even made and failed to pursue the only reason that
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Speaker 3: Bartlett highlighted that installation that is that taxpayers are supporting it.
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Speaker 10: That means Ossie taxpayers like you and me basically underwriting
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Speaker 10: a project owned and run by the Chinese government.
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Speaker 3: So the ABC can't debunk the fact that Australian taxpayers
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Speaker 3: support Chinese businesses, so they chose to what Bartlet didn't
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Speaker 3: even claim.
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Speaker 2: It's a bizarro world for them, isn't it? Still?
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Speaker 3: They did find one fat missing In another section.
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Speaker 9: Spotlight also reported that the long arm of big cobalt
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Speaker 9: stretches into Tasmania's pristine Wilderness, which one major Chinese cobalt miner, MMG,
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Speaker 9: plans to desecrate with a non cobalt mine.
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Speaker 10: To expand its existing copper, zinc and lead mine, MMG
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Speaker 10: plans to bulldoze hundreds of hectares of the Tarkin for
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Speaker 10: a new gigantic tailing dam of toxic slutch.
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Speaker 9: Spotlight even enlisting the father of Australia's environmental movement to
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Speaker 9: help make the case. Only there was one small detailed
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Speaker 9: Channel seven forgot to mention while the company is still
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Speaker 9: keeping the Tarkin Dam option in.
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Speaker 2: Its back pocket.
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Speaker 9: Six weeks before Spotlight went to air, the company.
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Speaker 12: Announced MMG has shifted its Roseberry mind tailings plan outside
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Speaker 12: the tarkind with the company submitting plans for a different
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Speaker 12: location after years of opposition.
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Speaker 2: Well that might have been worth including.
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Speaker 3: Although the decision is not yet final, and its own
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Speaker 3: public pressure like that from Spotlight and Bob Brown, that's
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Speaker 3: forced the change if it goes ahead.
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Speaker 2: Here's how the ABC summed up its attempted hatchet job.
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Speaker 9: Whatever the public interest in exploring the environmental and human
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Speaker 9: cost of mining critical minerals, it was undermined from the
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Speaker 9: outset by the program sweeping unsupportable allegations and its scandalous
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Speaker 9: decision to deny its audience the inconvenient facts.
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Speaker 3: Really, the broad sweep of the program was entirely vindicated
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Speaker 3: the exploitation of overseas mind workers, demand growing because of
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Speaker 3: renewables and rechargeables, and taxpayers money supporting this through Chinese companies.
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Speaker 3: The ABC's big hits amounted to nitpicking.
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Speaker 2: While they ignored the major issues.
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Speaker 3: For instance, media Watch ignored the core folk on environmental destruction.
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Speaker 13: So you can see the nature of the terrain. It's
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Speaker 13: very rugged, really really rugged topography. So a lot of
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Speaker 13: land needs to be cleared to get these big components
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Speaker 13: eighty meter long blades up into these mountains. So the
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Speaker 13: roads need to be about seventy meters wide. So the
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Speaker 13: tops of all these mountains are going to be dynamited
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Speaker 13: out with the use of explosives. And this is only
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Speaker 13: the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 3: Shocking, isn't it happening all around the country and they've
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Speaker 3: only just begun. The ABC and Media Watch did not
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Speaker 3: even mention this fundamental focus of the program.
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Speaker 2: What was that about? Inconvenient facts? Instead, earlier in the.
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Speaker 3: Evening, the ABC's seven point thirty program gave us the
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Speaker 3: usual renewables and climate spin from a un operative who's
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Speaker 3: in denial about our current energy crisis.
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Speaker 14: We have the whole host of renewable energy technologies that
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Speaker 14: are superior. They're better performing, they're cheaper, they're faster to build.
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Speaker 1: So it's not a.
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Speaker 14: Question of do we have enough energy, it's a question
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Speaker 14: of are we actually generating the right kind of energy? Domeastically.
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Speaker 3: This stuff, as you know, is so delusional that it
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Speaker 3: shouldn't even be broadcast. It's the sort of complete distortion
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Speaker 3: of reality that we get every day from Chris Boonen
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Speaker 3: and of course from the ABC.
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Speaker 2: Have a listened to this questioning do.
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Speaker 15: You think the quality of leadership has also diminished in
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Speaker 15: the world when it comes to tackling climate change. How
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Speaker 15: damaging could this crisis be to global action on climate
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Speaker 15: change in relation to sea level rises? What does Australia
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Speaker 15: owe in your view to the countries of the Pacific.
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Speaker 3: Look, if people want to live in a fantasy world,
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Speaker 3: that's fine, that's their choice. But the fact they do
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Speaker 3: it on our coin, abusing taxpayers money and the law
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Speaker 3: of the land, the ABC Charter, well that's a national
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Speaker 3: scandal and no one.
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Speaker 2: Has the courage to tackle it.
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Speaker 3: I knew many of you wouldn't like what I said
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Speaker 3: last night about booing at ANZAC day dawn services, but
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Speaker 3: I'm here to tell you what I think, not to
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Speaker 3: try to reinforce what others think.
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Speaker 2: Many of you have reached out to me, and most
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Speaker 2: of you.
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Speaker 3: Say that while you oppose the Welcome to Country, you
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have booed Good. Then you agree with my central point.
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Speaker 3: As I said, whatever you think of the Welcome to Country,
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Speaker 3: it was disrespectful to boo it. Nobody should have booed
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Speaker 3: it was disgraceful. I'm pleased, but not surprised that the
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Speaker 3: overwhelming majority of our viewers agree they wouldn't boom but
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Speaker 3: I do want to correct a common misconception peddled by
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Speaker 3: many about welcomes to country. They are not welcoming you
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Speaker 3: to your country. They are not welcoming you to Australia.
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Speaker 3: People who run that line are wittingly or unwittingly spreading
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Speaker 3: a divisive mischaracterization. These ceremonies are welcoming you to the
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Speaker 3: lands of a particular indigenous group or tribe. They are
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Speaker 3: welcome to everyone there, including other Indigenous people from other lands,
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Speaker 3: other language groups, other country. So are welcome to country
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Speaker 3: done properly. We all know that sometimes people can overpoliticize them.
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Speaker 3: But a welcome to country done properly doesn't alienate anyone.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't divide anyone.
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Speaker 3: It's inclusive, just like Welcome to Queenan's Land, or Welcome
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Speaker 3: to Kelly Country, or Welcome to the Barossa. Only an
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Speaker 3: Indigenous welcome is deeper, more meaningful and historic.
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Speaker 2: These traditions, new or.
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Speaker 3: Old, only add to our history and our culture. They
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Speaker 3: take nothing away from anybody. Viewers in New Zealand would
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Speaker 3: be able to tell us about how Maori culture is
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Speaker 3: included on Anzac Day. The Kiwis tend to do this
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Speaker 3: stuff very well, so when it comes to welcomes to country,
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Speaker 3: no one demands that everyone else be enthusiastic. That's your
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Speaker 3: prerogative to treat them how you like. But objecting and booing,
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Speaker 3: that's being divisive. Noel Pearson famously distilled our great national
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Speaker 3: story down to three pillars, and this formulation has been
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Speaker 3: enthusiastically embraced by Tony Abbott and others.
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Speaker 2: We are a country of.
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Speaker 3: Indigenous heritage, British institutions, and immigrant culture. The diggers, be
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Speaker 3: they Indigenous, Australian born or immigrant, they fought for and
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Speaker 3: defended the lot that whole wonderful triumvirate. They fought to
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Speaker 3: preserve a country made up of Indigenous heritage, British institutions
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Speaker 3: and immigrant culture. And they still do and for that
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Speaker 3: I'm forever grateful. Let's catch up now with the Shadow
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Speaker 3: Attorney General, Michaulia Cash, who joins me in camera.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, sir, Michaelia.
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Speaker 3: I want to go straight to this energy crisis, which,
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Speaker 3: as you might have just seen on the ABC, they
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Speaker 3: found a un representative to say doesn't exist.
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Speaker 2: We can get out of this with renewal.
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Speaker 8: I found someone, Chris, they found someone.
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Speaker 3: Well I will let them pretend on the national broadcast
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Speaker 3: so that somehow wind turbines and solar panels can drive
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Speaker 3: the nation. But you're focusing on our critical vulnerability when
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Speaker 3: it comes to fossil fuels at the moment. And Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor today's made an important promise. It will cost us
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Speaker 3: perhaps an extra center liter on our petrol forever, but
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Speaker 3: that is to double our storage in this country.
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Speaker 2: That's an important safety net. Right.
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Speaker 3: How quickly could that happen if the government were to
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Speaker 3: adopt your advice?
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Speaker 8: Well, in the first instance, you are right. Angus Taylor
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Speaker 8: has today announced a practical plan and that's what Australians
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Speaker 8: are crying out for, practical plans to increase our fuel
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Speaker 8: security because the last eight weeks have shown we desperately
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Speaker 8: need that practical action. So Angus has announced that a
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Speaker 8: coalition government would actually increase or double the minimum stockholding
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Speaker 8: obligation to sixty days. In other words, you've got sixty
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Speaker 8: days of fuel on hand at any given point in time,
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Speaker 8: but at the same time you do need to add
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Speaker 8: that additional storage. And we will invest in an additional
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Speaker 8: billion liters of fuel if the government worked with us
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Speaker 8: and we back them in on this and said we're
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Speaker 8: adopting the Angus Taylor plan. You could deliver this capacity,
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Speaker 8: the billion liters by twenty thirty. We cannot do this
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Speaker 8: soon enough, but I think Chris, you're opening You're opening
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Speaker 8: focus on spotlight. That really sums up where this government
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Speaker 8: is at. They are obsessed by ideology net zero. They
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Speaker 8: hate fossil fuels. Renewable energy is the only way. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 8: Australians are paying more for fuel, they're subjected to fuel shortages.
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Speaker 8: This is a practical plan.
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Speaker 1: We will work with.
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Speaker 8: Labor to implement the Angus Taylor Plan. It's practical and
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Speaker 8: it's what Australians need to deliver fuel security on the ground.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's anybody in the country with an
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Speaker 3: IQ above room temperature who wouldn't agree with that.
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Speaker 2: We all know we're vulnerable now.
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Speaker 3: We can't arrest, we can't fix that immediately, but to
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Speaker 3: make sure we're not this vulnerable again makes a lot
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Speaker 3: of sense. Let's just have a look at what Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor and the Prime Minister have said today.
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Speaker 2: First up, he's the opposition leader.
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Speaker 16: We need to do more, there is no question about it,
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Speaker 16: and that's why we need to double the minimum stockholding obligation.
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Speaker 16: We need to get towards that ambition of ninety days,
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Speaker 16: and we need to do it as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 16: That means building more storages in places like right where
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Speaker 16: I am here, right across Australia, there's potential for additional
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Speaker 16: storages to be built, and.
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Speaker 3: I reckon this response from Anthony Albanezi is pretty indicative.
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Speaker 17: You've got to admire the irony of Angus Taylor, who
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Speaker 17: was the minister in a government where four out of
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Speaker 17: six of our refinery shut and who thought the fuel
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Speaker 17: reserves should be kept in Texas. This guy has no credibility.
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Speaker 17: Of all the people in this building, of all one
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Speaker 17: hundred and fifty members of the House of Representatives, there
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Speaker 17: is none who has less credibility on fuel security than
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Speaker 17: Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: To me, that is alb and easy to achieve.
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Speaker 3: Nothing about the idea, nothing about securing the nation's future,
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Speaker 3: nothing about a plan for the future. Just party political
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Speaker 3: attack on Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely Chris and a Prime minister who needs to resort
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Speaker 8: to insults and barbs, quite frankly, doesn't have a policy solution.
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Speaker 8: What Australians are screaming out for from this government is
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Speaker 8: a practical policy solution to secure fuel in Australia. And
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Speaker 8: that is what Angus Taylor announced today. And as I said,
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Speaker 8: we would actually work with the Albanese government if they
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Speaker 8: clearly don't have a policy solution, hence the Prime minister's
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Speaker 8: performance today. So let's work together. Let's double the minimum
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Speaker 8: stockholding obligation which Prime Minister Angus Taylor legislated the last
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Speaker 8: time we're in government.
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Speaker 1: In fact, when we.
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Speaker 8: Lost office, sixty four days of stockholding on the ground.
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Speaker 12: Labor have run that down.
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Speaker 8: Shame on you, mister Alberineasy by twenty five percent. We
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Speaker 8: currently have around forty nine days. They've done nothing to
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Speaker 8: increase fuel security. But more than that, let's work together
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Speaker 8: to increase our storage capacity. Again, a prime minister that
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Speaker 8: has to resort to insults and barbs is quite frankly
23:25
Speaker 8: a prime minister who doesn't have an answer to the
23:28
Speaker 8: policy solution.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:30
Speaker 3: Look, we should have been working on this yesterday, but
23:32
Speaker 3: I now I want to move on to other issues
23:34
Speaker 3: in your portfolio. Of course, as Shadow Attorney General, we
23:38
Speaker 3: know the Isis brides and their children, the Isis families
23:41
Speaker 3: could soon lob on our shores.
23:43
Speaker 2: Here's what the Prime Minister said about that today.
23:46
Speaker 17: Well, federal authorities I have every confidence in the work
23:52
Speaker 17: that they do to keep Australia safe and they continue
23:57
Speaker 17: to monitor these issues. But Australia is providing no support
24:04
Speaker 17: for this cohort.
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Speaker 2: Well that's just not true.
24:09
Speaker 3: Of course Australia has provided passports and travel documents without
24:13
Speaker 3: which these people could.
24:14
Speaker 2: Not come back to this country.
24:16
Speaker 3: But besides that, Attorney General, as Shadow Attorney General Mikhailia
24:19
Speaker 3: cash facie, given that these women went to Isis controlled territory,
24:26
Speaker 3: stayed in Isis controlled territory, only left Isis.
24:31
Speaker 2: When they lost the war, when they were overrun.
24:34
Speaker 3: Is there a prima facie case for them to be
24:36
Speaker 3: arrested as soon as they arrive in this country.
24:41
Speaker 8: Well, in the first instance, you either believe in keeping
24:43
Speaker 8: Australian safe, Chris, or you don't. And that is the
24:46
Speaker 8: fundamental difference between the Albanese government, who, as you know,
24:50
Speaker 8: recently let in to Islamic hate preachers to Australia. What
24:55
Speaker 8: a total joke. But more than that, this is a
24:58
Speaker 8: government that current has a tool it is able to
25:03
Speaker 8: use to keep these women and their children out the
25:06
Speaker 8: temporary exclusion orders we.
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Speaker 2: Have come down before. They're obviously not going to do that. Yep,
25:12
Speaker 2: they probably should.
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Speaker 3: But on the face of it, shouldn't these women be
25:16
Speaker 3: arrested and interrogated as soon as they return?
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Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, based on the evidence that we have. As
25:23
Speaker 8: you articulated, these are women that made a conscious decision
25:27
Speaker 8: to leave Australia to join the Islamic Caliphate. Are the
25:31
Speaker 8: Islamic extremist ISIS But not only that they entered a
25:35
Speaker 8: declared terrorist area. That is an offense in Australia. It
25:40
Speaker 8: is a criminal offense.
25:42
Speaker 1: So yes, but not.
25:43
Speaker 8: Only that the government needs to be upfront with the
25:46
Speaker 8: Australian people about what it knows. When are these women
25:51
Speaker 8: touching down? Look, we all know the government know they're
25:53
Speaker 8: coming back.
25:54
Speaker 2: Chris.
25:55
Speaker 8: Can't they just be upfront with the Australian people, Chris?
25:58
Speaker 8: Do you not think it's a little like wrong. We
26:00
Speaker 8: recently celebrated and Zach Day, where we all acknowledge that
26:05
Speaker 8: the freedoms that we have today were fought for by
26:09
Speaker 8: men and women, often who lost their lives. And then
26:12
Speaker 8: at the same time this government is welcoming back Australians
26:17
Speaker 8: who turned their back on those very values. Honestly, this
26:21
Speaker 8: government disgusts me.
26:23
Speaker 1: And again it is a.
26:24
Speaker 8: Fundamental difference between Angus Taylor and Anthony ALBERIZI. We're not
26:28
Speaker 8: going to make excuses for people who turned their back
26:32
Speaker 8: on this country. We will do everything we can to
26:35
Speaker 8: keep them out. Temporary exclusion orders is what this government
26:40
Speaker 8: should be utilizing.
26:41
Speaker 3: Mikaulia Cash, thanks sir for joining us, and next time,
26:44
Speaker 3: try and tell us what you really think. Okay, good
26:48
Speaker 3: to be with you, Shadow Attorney General there, Michaulia Cash.
26:52
Speaker 3: Now I want to go to a completely different issue now,
26:54
Speaker 3: but another one that we mentioned yesterday, and that is
26:56
Speaker 3: there are calls for a Royal commission into the Stowe
26:59
Speaker 3: Hydro two point zero project, with experts out costing the
27:03
Speaker 3: scheme at forty two billion dollars. That's twenty one times
27:08
Speaker 3: what we were told when Malcolm Turnbull announced it. Let's
27:12
Speaker 3: bring in Bruce Mountain now, one of those experts who
27:15
Speaker 3: wants an inquiry. He's the director of the Victoria Energy
27:19
Speaker 3: Policy Center. Thanks for joining us again, Bruce, to talk
27:23
Speaker 3: about this project. It's astonishing to see how the costs
27:28
Speaker 3: of this project have blown out over recent years. Is
27:32
Speaker 3: that primarily because of practical problems with the tunnel boring
27:36
Speaker 3: and actually getting the job done.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, hi, Chris, So, I don't think the project was
27:44
Speaker 18: ever realistically costed in the first place. So had they
27:48
Speaker 18: a plausibly costed in the first place, I think we'd
27:52
Speaker 18: have a meaningful base to move from. It is also
27:55
Speaker 18: undoubtedly the case that surprise surprise. In other words, it's
27:59
Speaker 18: not surprise they've met numerous difficulties. Snowy two P one
28:04
Speaker 18: zero is unlike any other pump hydra in the world.
28:06
Speaker 18: It has a massively long head race twenty nine kilometers.
28:10
Speaker 18: The next highest in the world, I think is about
28:12
Speaker 18: three kilometers. Typically they're in the hundreds of meters. But
28:16
Speaker 18: the Snowy Hydro and the federal government chose this massively
28:22
Speaker 18: complex project and then back to it all the way,
28:29
Speaker 18: and the contractors and the unions had the government in
28:31
Speaker 18: a corner and they've simply milked them, and the government's
28:35
Speaker 18: hidden it throughout this time, which is why I think
28:40
Speaker 18: when I was asked, I thought it's reasonable to put
28:43
Speaker 18: before a serious independent institution.
28:48
Speaker 3: You've been predicting these problems for many years, and we've
28:51
Speaker 3: spoken to you about them before, and everything you've suggested
28:54
Speaker 3: seems to have come to fruition so far.
28:56
Speaker 2: Some of us are old enough.
28:57
Speaker 3: To remember when Malcolm Termed was Prime minister twenty eighteen.
29:02
Speaker 3: I think it was maybe late twenty seventeen when he
29:05
Speaker 3: announced the project.
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Speaker 19: Have a look, I am a nation building prime minister,
29:09
Speaker 19: believe me, and this is a nation building project. These
29:13
Speaker 19: are big dreams in these mountains, real courage, a belief
29:18
Speaker 19: in the future, a confidence in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Now, Bruce, when you see that sort of political rehtoric
29:26
Speaker 3: around a project and political impetus put into it without
29:31
Speaker 3: a proper costing, are you suggesting that over time, as
29:34
Speaker 3: you just mentioned, unions and contractors have essentially just taken
29:39
Speaker 3: advantage of that, knowing that they're on a winner here.
29:43
Speaker 18: Yes, I think that's exactly what happened, you know, real
29:48
Speaker 18: courage with other people's money, not real courage in my money.
29:53
Speaker 18: But yeah, the government made this announcement and then way
29:58
Speaker 18: before they even find lies the financial decision to proceed,
30:02
Speaker 18: we said, get an independent assessment. Of course, Snowy Hydro
30:06
Speaker 18: is pushing things and if you don't independently assess it,
30:10
Speaker 18: you'll continue to have yourself painted in the corner, which
30:13
Speaker 18: is exactly what they did. And subsequent governments won after
30:16
Speaker 18: the next, have come promising to have a transparent costing
30:22
Speaker 18: of it and to tell the public what's going on.
30:24
Speaker 18: None of them have. It's carried on. It's got worse
30:27
Speaker 18: and worse and worse than The latest announcement from the
30:29
Speaker 18: government is we couldn't possibly stop now. This is a
30:32
Speaker 18: nation building, game changing project. The same old retrick we've
30:35
Speaker 18: had now for almost a decade.
30:39
Speaker 3: In fact, he's the most recent comment we've got from
30:41
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen.
30:42
Speaker 2: This is back in February.
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Speaker 17: Snow and Tree Point zero, one of the biggest construction
30:46
Speaker 17: programs in the world, twenty seven kilometers of Kindel's four
30:50
Speaker 17: thousand workers. In twenty twenty two, this project was way
30:52
Speaker 17: off track.
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Speaker 1: We've got a back on track.
30:54
Speaker 2: It's now seventy percent complete.
30:58
Speaker 3: Bruce, you mentioned one a role commisson. But is it
31:00
Speaker 3: too late to pull out of the project. Does it
31:02
Speaker 3: have to be completed now? And does this massive expenditure
31:06
Speaker 3: and servicing the debt on it for years to come?
31:09
Speaker 3: Is that going to put up continue to put up
31:11
Speaker 3: with pressure on power prices in the National Electricity grid.
31:16
Speaker 18: So let me take the second question first. Unless government
31:19
Speaker 18: imposes almost all of this on taxpays, I eat almost
31:25
Speaker 18: all of it on taxpayers, Electricity prices will have to
31:28
Speaker 18: go up. Snow e two is a horribly inefficient storage unit.
31:32
Speaker 18: It loses at least a third a quarter to a
31:35
Speaker 18: third of the electricity that it produces in losses in
31:41
Speaker 18: the pipes and in the motors, so it can't compete
31:45
Speaker 18: against other storage devices. It's inflexible, it's slow to adapt.
31:50
Speaker 18: It'll be take months and months, if not years, to
31:53
Speaker 18: cost effectively fill the top reservoir, so it'll be it'll
31:58
Speaker 18: be unprofitable from day one. So unless they put it
32:03
Speaker 18: on taxpayers, almost all of it on taxpayers, it will
32:07
Speaker 18: simply sit as an enormous deadweight on electricity consumers. Is
32:12
Speaker 18: a two letter stop. We've long said, get an independent assessment.
32:17
Speaker 18: Figure out whether that's doable and possible and worthwhile, I'm
32:21
Speaker 18: afraid we just can't know. We don't know the details
32:23
Speaker 18: of the contracts, the details of the closure clauses, and
32:27
Speaker 18: the hydrology and the rock conditions and so on.
32:30
Speaker 3: But Bruce, thanks so much, thanks so much for your assessment.
32:34
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
32:35
Speaker 2: Bruce Mountain.
32:36
Speaker 3: There just an incredible disaster, this boondoggle.
32:39
Speaker 2: He's with Victoria Energy Policy Center. We do need to
32:42
Speaker 2: get to a break.
32:43
Speaker 3: After the break and to catch up with Tim Blair,
32:45
Speaker 3: we'll talk about this ugly situation in the US, the
32:49
Speaker 3: ugly political hatred. Also think I've found a new job
32:54
Speaker 3: for Tim. Don't go away. Let's catch up with the
33:01
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraphs. Tim Blair, good to talk to you, mate.
33:04
Speaker 3: I ad might say about the ugly political culture in
33:08
Speaker 3: the US, the leftist attacks constantly against Donald Trump, and
33:12
Speaker 3: how that creates this culture of violence. I want to
33:15
Speaker 3: get your perspectives on it, because you've written brilliantly about
33:18
Speaker 3: this and reminded us also just how these leftist activists,
33:23
Speaker 3: especially in social media, actually celebrated the assassination of Charlie
33:28
Speaker 3: Kirk and of course that healthcare boss as well.
33:32
Speaker 20: Absolutely, one of the most striking things about this episode
33:35
Speaker 20: and about previous attacks on Kirk and on Trump, is
33:40
Speaker 20: that our modern assassins or would be assassins, are becoming
33:44
Speaker 20: a little bit more mainstream. They're a little bit more
33:47
Speaker 20: typical of leftists. If you look at the manifesto of
33:52
Speaker 20: this latest attempted assassin. It's very similar to things he
33:56
Speaker 20: says to what you'll read on social media from people
33:58
Speaker 20: who hate Trump. The point by point, So you and
34:02
Speaker 20: I recalled, you know, lunatics in the past who attempted
34:05
Speaker 20: to or did kill presidents and Lee Harvey Oltwood was
34:09
Speaker 20: traveling to Rush, we took out Russian citizenship. These people
34:11
Speaker 20: were on the fringe.
34:13
Speaker 2: You know, a.
34:13
Speaker 20: Manson girl tried to kill Gerald Ford and so on.
34:17
Speaker 20: But this guy, this guy is pretty normal. He's a teacher,
34:21
Speaker 20: he's a very educated multiple degrees, and that again is
34:24
Speaker 20: another standard feature of a lot of these Trump opponents.
34:27
Speaker 20: The more highly educated people tend to be in the US,
34:30
Speaker 20: and I'd argue throughout the most of the Western world,
34:33
Speaker 20: the more they're inclined to say, yeah, violence is justified
34:36
Speaker 20: if it takes our people. We don't like democratically elected presidents,
34:40
Speaker 20: for example, And it's a pretty broad concern.
34:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, they frame him as hitler, so therefore they have
34:46
Speaker 3: a moral justification in bringing him down. It is frightening
34:49
Speaker 3: when you put it in those terms, how mainstream those
34:51
Speaker 3: views have become. Which brings us back to Jimmy Kimmel,
34:54
Speaker 3: who I highlighted at the top of the program.
34:57
Speaker 2: Here's that offensive joke from last week.
35:00
Speaker 4: Lady Milania is here, look at more. It's so beautiful,
35:03
Speaker 4: missus Trump. You have a glow like an expectant widow.
35:08
Speaker 3: Now, tim you love a laugh, You know, we enjoy
35:12
Speaker 3: a laugh for the odd off color jokes. But at
35:15
Speaker 3: what time when you're talking about a president in a
35:19
Speaker 3: volatile political situation, a president who's already survived two assassination attempts,
35:24
Speaker 3: do you think it's funny to make that joke or
35:27
Speaker 3: responsible to make that joke on national television. I just
35:30
Speaker 3: can't figure how an adult would not check themselves on that.
35:35
Speaker 20: The only funny thing here, and it's not funny at
35:37
Speaker 20: all either, is Kimmel's excuse and his network's excuse that,
35:41
Speaker 20: oh no, no, it's all about how Donald Trump is
35:43
Speaker 20: actually really old and that one day he'll die just
35:48
Speaker 20: as a matter of course, No one thought that, no one,
35:51
Speaker 20: as no one conceives of that as a legitimate excuse
35:55
Speaker 20: these guys. I mean, the greater challenge for Jimmy Kimmel
35:58
Speaker 20: would be just make people laugh. Just go back to
36:00
Speaker 20: what you may think once or twice twenty five years
36:03
Speaker 20: ago when you're on the man show for God's sake
36:05
Speaker 20: and create a bit of a giggle.
36:08
Speaker 3: Indeed, talk about another giggle. That's a good segue for
36:11
Speaker 3: me to get to another topic and renewable energy and
36:14
Speaker 3: Kevin Run. Kevin Rudd gave a speech in Melbourne this week.
36:18
Speaker 3: I want to show you something of what he said.
36:20
Speaker 3: He said, policy continuity will be supported if we continue
36:24
Speaker 3: not just messaging about this, but actually deliver price outcomes,
36:29
Speaker 3: security of supply, electricity, supply outcomes, new industries and new
36:33
Speaker 3: jobs which people touch, see, feel here and have in
36:37
Speaker 3: their daily experience. Otherwise they conclude it's all bullshit and
36:40
Speaker 3: therefore it doesn't work.
36:42
Speaker 2: Hello, Kevin, you've worked it out. It is all bullshit.
36:45
Speaker 3: They've promised this stuff for years and delivered none of it.
36:49
Speaker 20: It's twenty twenty six and Kevin Runs just realized that,
36:52
Speaker 20: Oh my god, all this fantasy is just that a fantasy.
36:57
Speaker 20: It's incredible, isn't it. And I love how he's talking
36:59
Speaker 20: about like these terms of like if people can touch
37:03
Speaker 20: and feel and see it, and if maybe prices go down,
37:06
Speaker 20: maybe they'll like it. Well, you reckon, Pale, Seriously, you reckon,
37:10
Speaker 20: they'd like it if it actually prices went down instead
37:12
Speaker 20: of going up by thirty forty percent every damn year. Well,
37:15
Speaker 20: you know, is anyone surprised at this point how Kevin
37:18
Speaker 20: Budd might be rated among the maybe bottom three or
37:21
Speaker 20: four prime ministers their entire history at this point, lord, or.
37:25
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
37:25
Speaker 3: Someone else who doesn't get this stuff, who refuses to learn,
37:30
Speaker 3: is Chris Bowen. Now, just have a look here at
37:33
Speaker 3: some of his online musings.
37:40
Speaker 1: Heyzi, what's better than one community battery?
37:43
Speaker 2: Two community batteries?
37:45
Speaker 19: Netlik the albanegi gum is getting on the job backing.
37:51
Speaker 18: Batteries that are big and household.
37:53
Speaker 17: The wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine.
37:56
Speaker 18: So did you know that making a piece of coast
37:59
Speaker 18: takes as much like a christy as leaving a light
38:01
Speaker 18: bulb on for an hour?
38:03
Speaker 3: Now, that is some of the wonderful social media content
38:07
Speaker 3: is brought to you by Chris Bowen.
38:08
Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
38:09
Speaker 3: He's got an out out now though he's looking for
38:12
Speaker 3: a new social media advisor. A digital advisor you can
38:18
Speaker 3: get paid a base rate of at least one hundred
38:20
Speaker 3: and ten thousand dollars plus a thirty thousand dollars allowance.
38:24
Speaker 3: So you're essentially it's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
38:27
Speaker 3: job at least to do his digital media.
38:32
Speaker 2: Tim Blair, I think that's the job for you.
38:36
Speaker 20: I think in Chris bones office, a digital advisor with
38:39
Speaker 20: someone who helps him count on his fingers. He does
38:43
Speaker 20: need some sort of remedial assistance in a lot of
38:46
Speaker 20: basic numerical areas, doesn't he.
38:49
Speaker 3: But for a bloke who does digital wants a digital advisor,
38:52
Speaker 3: this little clip shows that he goes back to analog
38:55
Speaker 3: in a big way.
38:57
Speaker 1: We this episode of Questions Coffee Order, Long Black. What's
39:04
Speaker 1: the best thing about being in the Labor Party?
39:06
Speaker 13: Well, the Labor Party is the great performing party of Australian.
39:10
Speaker 2: History, and I'm not been in office most of the time.
39:16
Speaker 2: There might be a clue there.
39:19
Speaker 20: Well, I wonder if the next question was what's the
39:21
Speaker 20: worst thing about being in the Labor Party? You're in
39:23
Speaker 20: there with Chris Bowen, So yeah. I like his little
39:26
Speaker 20: hat there in his costume, was like, was that his
39:28
Speaker 20: antact day gear? It looked it looks like he was
39:30
Speaker 20: he was named for kind of a military military aspect.
39:33
Speaker 3: We'll leave you, Tim to fill out your application. Get
39:36
Speaker 3: in there and fix it up for him. Tim Blair
39:38
Speaker 3: will catch up with you on Thursday. We're going to
39:40
Speaker 3: get to a break. On the other side, I want
39:41
Speaker 3: to catch up on this Royal commission into the Bondai
39:44
Speaker 3: Islamus terror massacre. Also, the liberal Senator Dave Sharma will
39:48
Speaker 3: join me.
39:53
Speaker 2: Now.
39:54
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Middle East. And Iran has offered
39:56
Speaker 3: to reopen the straighter for Moors if the US lifts
39:59
Speaker 3: it like and ends the war. That offer has been
40:02
Speaker 3: swiftly rejected by the Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
40:05
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
40:07
Speaker 21: What they mean by opening the straits is yes, the
40:09
Speaker 21: straits are opened as long as you coordinate with Iran,
40:11
Speaker 21: get our permission or will blow you up and you
40:14
Speaker 21: pay us. That's not opening the straits. Those are international waterways.
40:17
Speaker 21: They cannot normalize, nor can we tolerate them trying to
40:20
Speaker 21: normalize a system in which the Iranians decide who gets
40:23
Speaker 21: to use an international waterway and how much you have
40:26
Speaker 21: to pay them to use it.
40:28
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Dave Shama here on the disc Shadow
40:30
Speaker 3: Assistant Minister for International Development and former diplomat.
40:33
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Dave.
40:35
Speaker 3: Surely the Americans cannot backtrack on any deal with Iran
40:41
Speaker 3: unless there.
40:42
Speaker 2: Is an elimination of the nuclear weapons program. Having come
40:45
Speaker 2: this far.
40:46
Speaker 22: I think that's right. I mean, the point of the war,
40:49
Speaker 22: the point of the conflict, was to make sure that
40:51
Speaker 22: Iran could no longer threaten its neighbors with nuclear weapons,
40:53
Speaker 22: would bolistic missiles support to terrorist groups. Iran's basically saying, hey,
40:57
Speaker 22: let's just go back to what the status quo was before.
41:00
Speaker 22: There's a reason the United States did not allow that
41:02
Speaker 22: status quo to endure, and I don't see more how
41:04
Speaker 22: they can possibly accept what Iran is proposing now.
41:07
Speaker 3: And elsewhere we see that the squeeze the US has
41:09
Speaker 3: put on Irun seems to be working. Apart from the
41:12
Speaker 3: direct economic impact, I read that because it can't get
41:16
Speaker 3: its oil exports out, it's having a slow down production,
41:20
Speaker 3: so it's filling up all of its storage, essentially clogging
41:23
Speaker 3: up its whole oil infrastructure, which puts the pressure on
41:27
Speaker 3: them to release valve an enormously economics strain on That's right.
41:32
Speaker 22: And once you turn down production at some of these facilities,
41:34
Speaker 22: you can't just turn them back on it. You have
41:36
Speaker 22: to sort of decommission them and then recommission them. I
41:39
Speaker 22: think that's that's right. I mean, the big loophole that
41:41
Speaker 22: Iran was exploiting in the early first month of this
41:44
Speaker 22: war was that no other country could get their all
41:46
Speaker 22: the market. Iran was still getting about one and a
41:48
Speaker 22: half to two million barrels of all the day and
41:50
Speaker 22: selling it at twice the normal price, So they are
41:52
Speaker 22: a net beneficiary of this conflict. What this blockade has done, say,
41:56
Speaker 22: Iran has to pay the price at the closure of
41:58
Speaker 22: the Straight of Horn moves as well, and I think
41:59
Speaker 22: that helped level of the negotiating field somewhat.
42:02
Speaker 2: So we'll await the next moves there.
42:05
Speaker 3: I wanted to get your thoughts on the Royal Commission
42:07
Speaker 3: into Anti Semitism and the Bondai attack. We're only days
42:12
Speaker 3: away from an interim report. How can we have any
42:17
Speaker 3: plausible report out of this Royal Commission when we haven't
42:20
Speaker 3: had any public evidence, any public examination so far.
42:24
Speaker 22: Look, I think an interim report is important. Anthony announced
42:28
Speaker 22: this as part of it, and I think to the
42:30
Speaker 22: extent it can allow things to be identified that can
42:33
Speaker 22: be addressed now, including any potential glaring failures that you
42:37
Speaker 22: should come to terms with now. I think it's important
42:39
Speaker 22: that we do get that information sooner rather than later
42:42
Speaker 22: to allow us to act on them. But I think
42:43
Speaker 22: it's important that the interim report doesn't seek to make
42:47
Speaker 22: judgments about more fundamental issues like the ourprise of anti
42:51
Speaker 22: Semitism or society, and tell you a lot of this
42:55
Speaker 22: information has been publicly litigated in public, but a.
42:57
Speaker 2: Lot of that is linked.
42:58
Speaker 3: I would have thought to any assessment of the authority's
43:02
Speaker 3: response because we had so many public warnings, and it
43:06
Speaker 3: would worry me greatly if any interim reports tried to
43:09
Speaker 3: give some sort of clean bill of health or pardoned
43:14
Speaker 3: if you liked, to our intelligence authorities, because we all
43:17
Speaker 3: know from what's public now it was an intelligence failure,
43:22
Speaker 3: a security operation's failure. Given that these alleged government had
43:27
Speaker 3: been identified were being watched by ASIO.
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Speaker 2: We know they're watching a lot of people, but they've
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Speaker 2: obviously slipped through the net.
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Speaker 3: They're allowed to get firearms, traveled to a terrorism hot
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Speaker 3: spot and come back again.
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Speaker 2: They were missed and missed badly well.
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Speaker 22: By definition, a terrorist attack occurring on Australian soil, isn't
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Speaker 22: it intelligence and security failure? I mean, that's the purpose
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Speaker 22: of these agencies and I think those agencies would accept that. Look,
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Speaker 22: I think we do need to get to the bottom
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Speaker 22: of what caused this and who's to blame. My expectation
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Speaker 22: would not bad that the interim report is going to
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Speaker 22: give anyone a clean bill of health. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Speaker 22: It will concern me if they did. I don't think
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Speaker 22: we're exactly where we could do that. My sense is
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Speaker 22: the interim report will identify some perhaps some early steps
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Speaker 22: that can be taken to make sure we don't deal
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Speaker 22: with this again, but also can to some of the
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Speaker 22: larger issues. It will be addressing. But look, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 22: I'll have to await here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we will wait and see.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Dave, appreciate much, Dave Shama, their
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Speaker 3: senator for New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: We will get to a break on.
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Speaker 3: The other side the panel with Stephen Senate Tiempo and
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Speaker 3: Susi O'Brien.
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Speaker 2: King Charles is in Washington as we speak.
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Speaker 3: Let's get onto the panel with Susio brien and Stephen
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Speaker 3: Senat Tiempo.
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Speaker 2: Thanks both for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Thirtieth anniversary today of the Port Arthur massacre.
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Speaker 2: Just a horrific event.
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Speaker 3: You know, we had the horrific Bondai massacre of course
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Speaker 3: last December, but casting your mind back thirty years Stephen,
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Speaker 3: it's still scars. The mind doesn't know what this did
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Speaker 3: to the country. Thank god we've got some gun control
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Speaker 3: out of it.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, no two ways about it, and I think we
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Speaker 11: need to continue that gun control action on a fairly
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Speaker 11: regular basis. But really the country lost its innocence. You know,
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Speaker 11: we talk about things that were I guess milestones in
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Speaker 11: the history of Australia, but this was really the place
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Speaker 11: where we realized that we were part of the bigger, badder.
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Speaker 2: Broader world.
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Speaker 11: It was the kind of thing we never thought could
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Speaker 11: happen here, and unfortunately it did. You know, thirty five
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Speaker 11: people died, twenty three injured at the hands of a
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Speaker 11: lone gunman who was obviously mentally ill. Very very different
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Speaker 11: to what happened in Bondi. But I tell you what,
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Speaker 11: it brought back some memories, didn't it last December?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's have a look at some of the news
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Speaker 3: coverage from thirty years ago.
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Speaker 1: One of Australia's oldest convict settlements, Port Arthur, has now
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Speaker 1: become the scene of our most terrific massacre all The
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Speaker 1: dead and injured were shot during a ruthless shooting spree
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Speaker 1: by a lone gunment.
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Speaker 23: Much of the mad frenzy was captured on tourist videotapes.
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Speaker 23: The gun shots, the panic, the bewilderment, the emergency services
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Speaker 23: struggling to deal with something within their training but beyond
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Speaker 23: their comprehension.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the details of this Suzi are just too hard
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Speaker 3: to recall or even talk about.
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Speaker 2: But I remember always wanting to go to Port Arthur.
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Speaker 3: It seemed industring from a history point of view, but
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Speaker 3: I never got there before this tragedy. I've never felt
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Speaker 3: like going there since. I'm afraid it's scarred the memory
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Speaker 3: the idea of the place for me, which I think
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Speaker 3: is sad. I should try and go there, but that
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Speaker 3: must be palpable for all Tasmanians.
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Speaker 24: Oh absolutely, And you know you just can't think about
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Speaker 24: Port Arthur and now think of anything else. Thirty years on,
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Speaker 24: you know, Walter mickhak paint tribute today to his beautiful daughters,
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Speaker 24: Madeline and Alana, whose names live on in the foundation
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Speaker 24: that he founded for child Protection of children. Look, I'm
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Speaker 24: just getting emotional even talking about it, Like that footage
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Speaker 24: of those girls hiding behind the tree to try and
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Speaker 24: escape that gunman and being hunted down by him. I
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Speaker 24: think it fundamentally changed too. We were as a nation
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Speaker 24: and removing six hundred and fifty thousand guns from the
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Speaker 24: streets as a result, as part of that gun buyback
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Speaker 24: was one of the most important things that's happened to
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Speaker 24: us in the street.
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Speaker 2: Just the thought of that loss and is just too much.
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Speaker 2: It is too much. Let's lighten the mood and go
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Speaker 2: to Washington and.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at where King Charles, the English monarch,
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Speaker 3: monarch of this country too, has turned up with his
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Speaker 3: Queen Camilla. He's met the Trumps and Steven. Apparently they've
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Speaker 3: sat down for a Kappa. They've had the afternoon tea
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Speaker 3: at the White House. I thought, given the Boston tea
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Speaker 3: part and everything, they make them drink coffee, but.
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Speaker 2: They're happy to let them have a cup of tea.
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Speaker 11: Well, wasn't this the anniversary of American independence that he
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Speaker 11: was there for? And look, I wonder if he was
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Speaker 11: patted Donald on the shoulder and said, listen, do you
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Speaker 11: want me to take over again?
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Speaker 2: I can probably do a better job.
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Speaker 3: I think sez that that Donald would be very envious
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Speaker 3: at the King's position, no elections and all that time,
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Speaker 3: no time limited on his stay in office.
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Speaker 24: Oh, I mean the footage is absolutely quite fascinating. I mean,
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Speaker 24: clearly it's for both kind of embattled groups.
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Speaker 1: This is about.
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Speaker 24: Business as usual, the show of strength, and it's really
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Speaker 24: interesting given the recent assassination attempt. You'd think Buckingham Palace
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Speaker 24: would have thought twice about whether they were going to
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Speaker 24: still send the King and the Queen, both quite elderly,
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Speaker 24: one of whom had cancer recently, and they're still there
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Speaker 24: and they look pretty good. It's a show of strength
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Speaker 24: most definitely from the UK. They're saying we are still
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Speaker 24: players on this world stage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have plenty of coverage of that tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: We'll see whether Donald Trump uses the visit Stephen to
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Speaker 3: take a bit of a swipe at Kirs Armer, who
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Speaker 3: knows what to expect with the big red man in
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Speaker 3: the White House.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining Ususian Stephen.
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Speaker 3: We'll catch you next week's slightly truncated panel There this evening,
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Speaker 3: I did want to squeeze in just a little bit
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Speaker 3: of your feedback about what we had to say last
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Speaker 3: night about that toxic political environment in the United States.
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Speaker 3: One viewer says the retric needs to calm down and
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Speaker 3: people need to understand that their words have consequences. Another
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Speaker 3: viewer says, unfortunately, a lot of TV hosts on the
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Speaker 3: left make a lot of money by being extreme with
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Speaker 3: their retric and let's finish with this one's shame on
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Speaker 3: all who have a platform but choose to encourage hatred, confusion,
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Speaker 3: division and violence in this world.
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Speaker 2: Well said, thanks so much for watching.
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Speaker 3: We'll be all over that our royal visit to Washington
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Speaker 3: tomorrow and plenty more.
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Speaker 2: Is Peter Quidlin