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Pride & Prejudice (2005) · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to the Arctic Costume Podcast.
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  I'm Elizabeth Troy Glass. And I am Mr. Williams.
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  You could just call me Spencer. Hey.
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  Spencer Oh my gosh, it's so good to see.
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  You I know it's been a minute since we recorded one.
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  It's. Been a hot minute.
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  I actually remembered the last time we did this.
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  Well, would have been the Righteous Gemstones episode, but
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  we actually recorded that. I mean, it was.
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  Like at least a month. Ago.
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  A lot has changed in the world a lot since then.
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  Welcome back, costume nerds. It's so good to see and talk
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  with you all. Like we said, it's been a while
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  before we get into today's episode.
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  I thought since it's been so long, we do a quick, I mean,
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  recap on our life. Elizabeth, what have been like
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  two or three highlights from your summer vacation we've been
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  on? From my summer vacation.
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  Gosh, let's see. Well, Daniel and Chloe came.
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  That was fun. And we had a pretty epic BBQ.
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  That that was a highlight. Which was amazing.
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  I'm still recovering, Yes, and Daniel did all the cooking
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  pretty much. Well, I stood there and
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  supervised. OK, it was really cute.
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  Like us ladies were just like chilling out and you then kept
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  like disappearing to like get food and like grill and we were
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  just chilling and and I have my new favorite TV show, Sherlock
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  and Daughter on HBO. OK.
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  I am. I'm almost done.
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  Shockingly good. It's not shocking to me at all.
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  HBOHBO Max as of today always kills it.
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  It yes it looked very cutesy and I was expecting more Enola
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  Holmes vibes from it. I love Enola Holmes, but I was
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  like, I don't that's not HBO. Absolutely not.
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  Much more like along lines of like Gilded Age.
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  Drama. So.
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  Which we're very much into right now.
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  But yeah, we'll save that for another episode, I'm sure.
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  You Spencer, what have your highlights?
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  Oh my gosh, It's been, it's been a whirlwind.
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  Well, before I went on vacation in the midst of, you know, our
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  TV Emmys. Yeah, extravaganza.
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  I actually got to host a huge panel for HBO and Max Originals
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  as called Sketch the Screen. I interviewed Elizabeth was
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  there. I interviewed 8 designers on
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  stage. Boyana Nokitovich, Kathleen
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  Felix Hager, Alex Belverd, Helen Huang, Carolyn McCall, Christina
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  Flannery. My God, I know I'm missing one
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  now, but there were eight. It was there.
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  Were so many. It was a lot and I I was so
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  nervous. You did a great.
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  Job. Thank you.
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  It was fun. But as you all know from
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  listening to this podcast, it takes us about 45 minutes to get
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  a good interview in and I had 45 minutes to get 8.
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  So I was scared. And right after that I got to
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  fly to the magical world of Orlando, FL with Daniel and
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  Chloe. And it was a lot of fun.
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  A very hot place, but we had a good time together and you know,
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  we ate and drank our way through that interesting place.
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  And then my biggest highlight of of course, was the Oklahoma City
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  Thunder in the NBA championship this year.
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  Your. Basketball men won.
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  Elizabeth knows I was stressed every time she saw me.
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  So stressed. He was like, I would be like,
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  hey, let's do XYZ. And he'd be like, Nah,
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  basketball's on tonight. I'd be like, dude, like when did
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  you turn into this like sports, bro?
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  It was. The NBA playoffs are intense.
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  You know, I'm jealous. I don't.
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  Understand how they were. I'm jealous of football because
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  you have the Super Bowl and then you call it a day.
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  Yeah, it's, it's very like linear.
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  And you're just like, no, no, no, they have to win this and
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  this. And then they go to this stage
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  and I was like, so they won. And you're like, no, no, no.
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  It's two months long, the playoff process, you see.
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  That's too long. My blood pressure was reaching
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  new levels. So as you can imagine, I'm very
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  excited to talk about today's project Pride and Prejudice,
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  because the opposite of my NBA stresses we're kicking off our
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  period Hot girl summer. Yeah, historical hot girl.
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  Summer hot girl Summer period hot girl doesn't sound as nice.
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  Historical hot girl summer. Elizabeth coined this term a
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  couple of months ago when we were preparing and I instantly
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  fell in love with the idea. Sounds like fun.
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  All, like, classic historical films based around women.
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  And, you know, it's just like, like, let's be honest, this is
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  going to be an indoorsy summer if, like, the projections of
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  heat are going to, like, mean anything.
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  So, you know, maybe it's time for you to, like, sit down and
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  do a little research, watch some historical films like Pride and
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  Prejudice, which turns 20 this year.
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  That is insane. Yeah, I, I was very excited.
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  So I've never seen Pride and Prejudice, never read Pride and
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  Prejudice, and that's been like a big blind spot for me.
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  But when I saw that it was turning 20 this year, I just
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  knew we were going to do this episode.
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  So I was saving myself. Before I get into it, let's just
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  give a little summary of Pride and Prejudice as I'm still
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  trying to break it down in my head myself.
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  Spencer. In this adaptation of Jane
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  Austen's beloved novel, Elizabeth Bennett lives with her
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  mother, father, and sisters in the English countryside.
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  As the eldest, she faces mounting pressure from her
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  parents to marry. When outspoken Elizabeth is
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  introduced to the handsome and upper class Mr. Darcy, sparks
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  fly. Although there is obvious
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  chemistry between the two, Darcy's overly reserved nature
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  threatens the fledgling relationship, and that is Pride
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  and Prejudice. That is Pride and Prejudice,
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  Spencer. I mean, we, we talked about it a
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  little bit and you had some very strong emotions.
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  I did actually. I just realized my little
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  notepad full of all my little exclamation marks is missing, so
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  I'll find it during the break. But overall, how did you like
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  Pride and Prejudice? I thought it was really great.
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  I loved it. I don't love as much as like the
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  diehards love it maybe but I still I watched it again today
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  so I'm trying to. I think I was confused the first
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  time I watched it so now I'm starting to break it down.
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  So as you know, I'm a huge Jane Austen fan.
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  Love it. I've seen almost every
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  adaptation of a Jane Austen novel that there is.
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  There's very few I have not seen.
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  I'm not die Hard for the 2005 Pride and Prejudice.
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  Like a lot of people, I have issues with it, but I also grew
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  up with the 90s miniseries which explains a lot more.
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  I see. Goes a lot more like in depth of
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  what's happening. So we will, at some point we
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  will sit down and watch that together, 'cause.
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  It's it's excellent, but nonetheless, this is the one
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  having the birthday. And of course, I knew.
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  I knew. It's work from, of course, the
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  costumes done by Jacqueline Duran.
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  Oh yeah, you know there. Are just iconic screenshots from
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  this movie. It is, yeah.
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  I feel like I knew a lot of the scenes before I even saw it
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  happen, so I'm excited to get into it.
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  So am I, so let's go behind the costumes.
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  We have director Joe Wright and costume designer, one of our
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  favorites, Jacqueline Duran. You will.
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  Yeah, you will know her work from Atonement, Nanny McPhee,
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  Anna Karenina, for which she won her first Oscar, Mr. Turner,
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  Beauty and the Beast, Darkest Hour, 1917, Little Women, for
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  which she got her second Oscar win, Spencer, The Batman and
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  Barbie. And today in discussing Pride
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  and Prejudice, we are discussing her first Oscar nomination.
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  Oh. OK, I mean, fair.
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  I totally obvious I have to give a quick plug to at the currently
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  at the Academy Museum, there's a brand new exhibition and it
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  features the worker, the production designers who
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  actually worked on Pride and Prejudice.
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  It was their first partnership with Jacqueline Duran and
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  director Joe Wright. They also did the sets for Anna
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  Karenina, Beauty and the Beast and Barbie.
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  So if you go to the county museum, you could like actually
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  step into the sets. We're taking an Art of Costume
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  field trip. To the Academy.
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  Museum as well I didn't hear. It I was there this weekend, I
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  was looking around. I was like, I'm doing a podcast
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  episode about this in 2 days, so soft plug, but yeah, let's get
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  into the costumes of Jacqueline. I mean, she, like you said,
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  she's a podcast favorite of ours.
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  She is. We've done an episode about
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  Spencer, episode about the Batman, an episode about Barbie.
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  I feel an atonement or Anna Karenina in our future.
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  Oh, absolutely, absolutely little women's in our future.
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  Oh, with baby Timothy Chalamet. That we have a lot of Jacqueline
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  Duran, and unfortunately, because this film was made 20
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  years ago, not a lot of interviews with her about the
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  costumes, at least not a lot of interviews left that I could
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  find. But she did speak to Women's
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  Wear Daily this year, reflecting after 20 years, and she said
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  about just like the whole production aspect of it, how it
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  was so different. Jacqueline said.
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  We were so much on the hoof and we were young to it and it was
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  all fresh. It was really a skeleton crew
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  compared to the kind of crew sizes you have today.
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  We just moved around the country as this kind of traveling band
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  of film makers and made this film that we just loved making.
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  It really was a pleasure to make.
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  It was hard, but there was just something in the spirit of the
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  film that was just a wonderful experience.
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  That's cool. And I feel like you can see that
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  on the screen. Like, everyone was really
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  dedicated to this film. Everyone's clearly having a good
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  time. Like, I feel like you can't
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  always tell if, like, people are.
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  You can kind of tell if people are absolutely hating their job.
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  Yeah, or you can tell if they're absolutely loving their job.
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  And I'm like, I feel like every single person loved their job.
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  Truly, I mean, and also like you're doing Pride and
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  Prejudice, right? Like, so you know, you're gay to
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  do something special. And I think just like being
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  there and looking around and seeing all these incredible film
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  makers, This cast being led by Keira Knightley, who's at this
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  moment in time on like a rocket ship to the stars.
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  So you're like, you just are able to look around like, hey,
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  like if we all put our all into this, like we could really walk
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  with something incredible. And it ended up being the 2005
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  Pride and. Prejudice, and I'm sorry, I
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  don't remember who exactly said this from the new cast of the
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  Netflix miniseries Pride and Prejudice that's going to be
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  coming out in the next year or so.
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  But they were talking about how they felt lucky to be part of
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  the cast because they were like, this is like a once in a
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  generation adaptation. Like every generation gets their
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  shot at it so that they are feeling very lucky to be part of
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  the current version. And I feel like they probably
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  felt the same way back in 2005, 2004 when they were filming.
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  They were like, oh, this is this is our generation shot at
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  adacking this and showing what we get out of it.
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  And there is like a lot of criticism around this movie with
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  it not being exactly time period appropriate.
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  However, in my research. Professor Glass is now taking
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  the stage. In my research, I have actually
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  taken back a lot of my criticism of.
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  And that's rare. The film not being period
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  appropriate because as we all know, Jane Austen was a Regency
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  writer. That's when all of her stories
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  take place. That's pretty much when all of
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  them are adapted to. However, Joe Wright definitely
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  wanted to take a different approach to Pride and Prejudice,
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  and I actually went back to Jane Austen's first take on Pride and
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  Prejudice. She started the manuscripts back
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  in the late 18th century, around 1797, even though the novel
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  eventually came out in 1813. So what did you write?
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  And Jacqueline Durand, do they throw it back to 1779?
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  I see that clicks a lot, yes. So this is not technically a
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  full Regency era film. It is a late 18th century.
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  Specifically, 1797 is the year in which this adaptation of
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  Pride and Prejudice is taking place, Jacqueline said.
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  Joe and I discussed the different styles and the
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  difference between, say, 1797, which I think was the date we
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  chose to set the film, and say 1815.
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  It was really to do with how the waste rose and rose and rose.
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  Joe found the earlier style more interesting and more attractive.
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  I was very happy to go with that.
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  And I'm like that like fixes like honestly 95% of my problems
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  with this film, like costume and looks wise, I'm like, oh, oh, I
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  get it. Like it makes so much sense.
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  And like, yeah, it was kind of, we have some pictures from the
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  net up here. And it was back in the 1800s.
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  That Empire silhouette was definitely starting to form, but
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  it was much fuller. The waist was much more natural.
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  And I actually love it. Yeah, So it's funny.
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  It's like, you know, we we always talk about like iPad kids
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  and whatnot. I'm like, I came into this like
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  a Bridgerton kid and this hyper idea of like Regency.
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  So at first I was watching this. I was like, huh, you know, this
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  is it. Where's all the neon pinks and
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  yellows? You know better, you know?
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  So it's like, oh, like this is like this feels like a very kind
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  of like rugged natural Regency, but like I just felt like it's
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  like this isn't like true Regency though.
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  So this really like what you're saying really makes a lot of
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  sense because I really what I really love about this film is
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  there's like a little bit more of a realism to it.
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  Yes, all the hems are dirty as they're like dragging them
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  across the. Crinkle.
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  Crinkle It's just like everything doesn't exactly have
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  that Polish. Of course.
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  I mean, there's some characters like Darcy and his friends.
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  Who are buttoned? Up very buttoned up and put
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  together but when you get to you know, Elizabeth's family,
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  though, you're like, oh, like, you know it's.
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  They're normal people. Yeah, it feels like normal
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  people like you and I, you know, this feels very reachable, so.
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  I'm like, I also like that they went with like the lower
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  waistline because one of the issues I think people had with
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  they were like, oh, it's like, you know, a little too modern
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  reflects the current styles too much.
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  But I'm like, you know, like, yes, it does.
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  It reflects, you know, a little bit of like, the mid 2000s, but
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  it's still historically accurate, like going back to
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  that year, to that time specifically.
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  I think that's probably what helped so many young people who
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  love this film attached to the characters and, like, form a
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  relationship. And then it also explains why
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  women like Lady Catherine de Berg look like they were torn
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  out of a Revolutionary War. Film.
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  Oh, my gosh. I did not know.
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  I'll try not to go too deep into her, but when I saw Judi Dench,
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  I was like, how old is this lady?
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  She's just been around forever, and she's always, like, the most
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  scary but impressive characters. Yeah.
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  But yeah, I was like, oh, this is not Queen Charlotte.
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  No, no, no, no. No, but it it explained so many
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  issues I had with this film as a costume person.
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  But with that in mind, I feel like we can better go on into
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  the movie and discuss it after our break.
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  Yeah, I'm excited. I'm going to take another swig
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  of my Paloma that I have hidden somewhere on this set, and then
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  I'm going to get my notepad full of grievances and things I
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  liked. So see you after the break.
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  Hi, I'm Dan, who does all the magic behind the scenes.
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  Now, back to the show. All right, costume nerds.
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  Well, as I expected, pride and pride.
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  Pride and Prejudice, of course, had to have a ball somewhere.
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  I had to have a ball. And it pretty much right away.
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  So I figured we should just start with that.
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  Gotta say, love the scene. I wrote most of my notes during
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  the scene, so I was like, oh, this is going to be an
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  exhausting adventure. I saw you scribbling.
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  Away. Yeah, Where's my little my
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  little Beetlejuice band? Over here for notes First, I
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  think that we need to bring this style of line dancing back.
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  OK, I agree. I so agree because as much as I
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  love an hour or two in the club, because once you hit 30 that's
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  like all you can handle, this just looks fun.
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  Everyone knows what they're doing.
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  No random is going to like walk up to you.
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  And well, randoms will walk up to you, but not the same.
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  Not quite the same way. At least you know how to dance
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  with them. But this just also looks fun.
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  It looks fun and it sets. The tone for the movie.
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  It really sets the tone. It it gives everyone an
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  opportunity to just basically shop for their partner at this
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  point, which I could really use. Sounds fun, but it really sets
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  the tone. What I loved is just getting to
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  meet like Elizabeth and her family and just seeing how
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  they're kind of, you know, put together and they're they're
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  obviously of like a higher of a upper class, but they're not
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  like the top tier of this time. No.
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  But then you see Mr. Darcy and his vampire friends rolling.
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  One of the notes I wrote is that they walked in like the colon
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  family just gets quiet. They're walking if their
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  haircuts and their sideburns and it's very like, who are they?
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  And. And I saw Matthew Mcfaddy, and I
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  was like, oh, that's the Mr. Darcy everyone's always talking
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  to me about, yes. Yes, that is the Mr. Darcy of
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  the millennials, and you just really get a sense for who
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  everyone is in this scene, what their agendas are.
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  The color palette is so obvious and it just sets a really good
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  baseline for the look of the film, how everyone's going to be
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  dressing because obviously Jane is very feminine, lots of pinks,
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  lots of light colors, much more girlish than her sister
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  Elizabeth, who is very studious. I would say they're equally as
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  serious people 'cause they're two of the only people in their
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  family with common sense. The.
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  Family's a mess. But you know, Elizabeth likes to
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  be a little more reserved. She likes that.
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  Like maybe you can't tell if her hen is muddy or not.
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  Right. She doesn't really care as much,
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  honestly. She feels like slightly above
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  all this. I mean, she enjoys the dance and
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  she would and like to be married, but she doesn't want to
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  just marry anyone. Just especially not her, like,
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  dorky cousin that we meet later. Gosh, yeah.
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  A huge eye roll. But yeah, yeah.
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  I just like, I love to like the romance.
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  Have a good Regency ball. I'm always a sucker for that.
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  Yes, but let's let's get into the Bennett sisters because I I
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  was taking issue with them first.
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  First of all, this cast is stacked.
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  Absolutely. Is stacked.
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  Roseman Pike. Oh, my gosh.
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  Here, let me just pull up my IMDb.
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  Oh, you have right there. Carey Mulligan, Jenna Malone.
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  I was like, OK, we have Hunger Games in the house.
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  It's just like, yeah, a crazy cast and this family, I would
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  not be able to live here. No, no, I couldn't live with
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  that mother. I would have gotten married as
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  quickly as possible just to get away from their mother.
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  I'm a #1 missus Bennett hater. I gotta say she was making me
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  crazy. She how?
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  She really does. And Duran talked a little bit
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  about the Bennett sisters, saying when you have a group of
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  girls like that, it's really important to give them all a
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  distinct character. It was very important to
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  understand that the Bennett's were provincial.
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  They lived in the countryside. They made their own clothes.
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  If not, they had them from a local dressmaker, which so
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  obvious. I'm like, OK, Mary obviously
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  just made her own clothes. Because she's the goth of the
• 22:58
  family. Yeah, for some reason.
• 23:01
  She's the goth of the family and all other.
• 23:05
  They don't show it very well in this one.
• 23:07
  But Mary, like, wants to marry Mr. Collins because she's, she's
• 23:14
  like, she's like a Bible nerd and like would love to be the
• 23:19
  wife of a minister. That's why she's, like, so
• 23:22
  plainly dressed. Mr. Collins is the goofy cousin,
• 23:25
  right? He's their goofy cousin.
• 23:27
  When I rewatched it today, I there when she when Elizabeth
• 23:31
  denies Mr. Collins. I noticed it this time.
• 23:33
  But Mary gives him like the biggest, like sympathetic look.
• 23:37
  Yeah. And I was like, girl, yeah, what
• 23:39
  was that about? So that explains it.
• 23:41
  She's. Trying so hard to convince Mr.
• 23:45
  Collins to marry her. Man, he didn't want to marry to
• 23:48
  family Goth to be like that sometimes.
• 23:50
  No. So you can very much see that
• 23:53
  homemade quality in Mary. But then Mrs. Bennett, Lydia and
• 23:58
  Kitty, they're obviously going to the local tailor.
• 24:02
  They have like I love Lydia and Kitty because they just look
• 24:08
  like Little Bo Peep. Yeah, I love them as a pair.
• 24:11
  They're obviously like the the two girly, almost like twins who
• 24:15
  are really just like in love with the whole thing.
• 24:17
  Like, OK, we're going to get a cool husband and go to all the
• 24:19
  balls and have. Meet all the boys.
• 24:21
  Yeah, they're like very. They're just all of that.
• 24:26
  They're the total package in terms of like the Regency
• 24:28
  romance. Absolutely.
• 24:31
  They they've like they've taken in all of the brainwashing.
• 24:36
  Mrs. Bennett could give Bertha Russell run for her money in a
• 24:40
  way that she runs this operation.
• 24:42
  She loses control at times, but she is persistent.
• 24:46
  You know, if someone said that and Mrs. Bennett was the great
• 24:50
  grandmother of Bertha, Russell would not be shot.
• 24:54
  She would not. She is persistent down.
• 24:58
  She will run this house until everyone is married by the end
• 25:01
  of this week. Just exhausting.
• 25:05
  No, is not an answer. No.
• 25:08
  And we have Donald. Sutherland as.
• 25:11
  Mr. Bennett, who like. He was great in this movie.
• 25:16
  I mean, he's great in every movie, but yeah, he was great in
• 25:19
  this. One, especially at the end when
• 25:22
  he realizes Elizabeth is gonna get married.
• 25:25
  It was. He's so cute.
• 25:26
  Yeah. He's so cute, he's so sweet.
• 25:28
  That was a sweet ending. But he looks great also like it
• 25:32
  was interesting to see. It really also speaks to like
• 25:36
  the time period, also like the tricorn hat, which I thought was
• 25:39
  interesting. Yeah.
• 25:41
  But just like what the polished elder gentleman looks like for
• 25:44
  this time period for, you know, the the Bennett family.
• 25:49
  Yeah, I also really love Missus Bennett cuz like, even
• 25:54
  originally watching this movie before knowing what the actual
• 25:58
  time period was of the film, her costumes never really bothered
• 26:01
  me because I was like, it wouldn't have been uncommon,
• 26:04
  especially since they're not poor, but they're not rich rich.
• 26:09
  They feel old school. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:11
  For her to, like, just continue wearing her own dresses.
• 26:13
  They have five daughters. Like, they got to cut money
• 26:16
  somewhere. But now that I know the time
• 26:19
  period, I'm like, oh, she's like, still actually quite in
• 26:23
  style. Like, it's not the style of the
• 26:26
  young, but it hasn't quite reached, like, you know, the
• 26:30
  older generations haven't felt the need to change how they
• 26:34
  dress. Yeah, and I just think that
• 26:35
  she's just like a more polished version of her younger self, you
• 26:39
  know? I don't imagine she's in on the
• 26:42
  newest fashions from Paris and London and whatnot.
• 26:45
  Like she's just very in her ways and just, you know, more
• 26:48
  elevated adult ways. She doesn't have to press
• 26:51
  anyone, but she has to look look the part at the same time.
• 26:55
  So it makes sense to me. Look the part of a land, land
• 27:00
  owning wife, right? Yeah.
• 27:03
  She doesn't own it. She is like.
• 27:05
  Who still calls her husband Mr. Bennett?
• 27:08
  I was like, all right. Yeah, what a time.
• 27:12
  But what you're saying about the fact that, yeah, her styles
• 27:15
  ain't coming from London, we're definitely part of Jacqueline's
• 27:20
  plan, she said. There was nothing London about
• 27:25
  the Bennetts. Any moves in fashion would be
• 27:30
  evident by Caroline Bingley, not the Bennetts.
• 27:35
  That was definitely baked in the baked into the characterization
• 27:39
  of the film. That's Mr. Darcy's vampiric
• 27:42
  friend, right? It's Mr. Bingley's sister.
• 27:45
  Yeah, so the two vampiric looking ones, Yeah, so.
• 27:50
  Let's. Take.
• 27:52
  Oh yeah, there she is. She looked good.
• 27:58
  She did look good. I was like, OK, this is like the
• 28:00
  beginning of like that, the Regency era that we know, like
• 28:05
  she's bringing that fashion in. She's got that waist all the way
• 28:09
  up to her bust. She's got that column
• 28:12
  silhouette. The backs are like a little bit
• 28:15
  more full than later Regency, but like, it's there.
• 28:21
  You see Caroline Bigley and you're like, oh, OK, yes,
• 28:23
  absolutely. Yeah.
• 28:25
  And she just like she kills it every single time she's on
• 28:28
  screen. Yeah, it she she almost gives
• 28:32
  like a villainous look to her sometimes.
• 28:34
  I mean. She is kind of a villain.
• 28:37
  I don't know, I mean, I I was trying to, I rewatched and
• 28:40
  trying to figure out what she was doing to she.
• 28:42
  Was deliberately keeping apart Jane and her brother.
• 28:47
  Well, because she thinks Jane's not good enough for him and she
• 28:50
  wants her brother to marry Mr. Darcy's sister.
• 28:55
  But like but wasn't Mr. Darcy also keeping Bingley away from?
• 29:01
  Yes. So I mean, I just felt like
• 29:03
  everyone was pretty flawed in this.
• 29:05
  I don't know. Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 29:07
  But her, she is like pretty malicious.
• 29:09
  She's also trying to keep she can tell that Mister Darcy's
• 29:13
  into Elizabeth. That's why she's always making
• 29:16
  like those cutting comments about.
• 29:18
  Her The thing is about this movie and this time period is
• 29:21
  everyone is very rude in the most respectable way that it
• 29:24
  just goes over my head. OK.
• 29:26
  I just feel like everyone has such great manners.
• 29:29
  I don't. I don't even know.
• 29:31
  You definitely have to like read between the.
• 29:33
  Lines. And she just looks so good doing
• 29:39
  it, though, especially, like, I think my favorite of hers is
• 29:42
  that green and white number when Elizabeth, I think Elizabeth is
• 29:47
  visiting. Yeah.
• 29:48
  When Jane is sick because she just, like, her hair pops.
• 29:52
  She just looks like, Oh my gosh, I have to deal with this woman.
• 29:56
  I know she was like, you walked all the way here.
• 29:59
  That's the one part. Excuse me, but you know she's
• 30:07
  not the last of our stunning looks in this film.
• 30:12
  No, not at all. We have Mr. Bingley and Mr.
• 30:16
  Darcy who like are just such a picture of like Regency male
• 30:23
  perfection. Yeah, but.
• 30:25
  That's all there is to say about them.
• 30:27
  I love it. The top hats, the very deep
• 30:30
  collars, yes, the coats, it's the hair, everything about it.
• 30:36
  I just, I just love it. It's I just felt like Jacqueline
• 30:40
  Duran really just hit the nail on the head with this one.
• 30:42
  Like she, you could tell that, and we've always said this about
• 30:45
  Jacqueline Duran. She's very researched.
• 30:47
  She doesn't get it wrong. No.
• 30:49
  Even when you think it might be wrong, it's not.
• 30:51
  It's not, it's. Probably you that's wrong.
• 30:55
  But I also love how just like the color she uses for both of
• 31:01
  them, Mr. Darcy, all these like really dark rich greens, Blues
• 31:08
  blacks and Bingley's light Grays Blues.
• 31:14
  They just so directly reflect their love interests.
• 31:19
  Jean and Elizabeth I'm. Just catching on, OK.
• 31:26
  And it's pretty obvious what Jane was thinking with Jane and
• 31:33
  Elizabeth. So of course we have lovely
• 31:39
  Jane, Who has never done anything in her life to warrant
• 31:44
  anything that happens to her in this film.
• 31:46
  No, she's so sweet. I I couldn't believe all the
• 31:49
  critiques are coming her way. Like, like she was the
• 31:52
  squirreliest 1 of this family. Yeah.
• 31:54
  I mean, she was light years away from her sister.
• 31:57
  Ohh yeah. And Jacqueline wanted her to be
• 32:00
  feminine where pink, pale blue just really be she's like
• 32:05
  supposed to just like be this like ethereal, like perfect
• 32:09
  daughter will eventually be the perfect wife.
• 32:13
  And like that's, that's exactly what's showing with her.
• 32:17
  Yeah, I love the colors. I just thought she was stunning.
• 32:20
  She she just had a glow about her every time he saw her on on
• 32:24
  screen. So yeah, I mean, no wonder Mr.
• 32:27
  Bingley fell in love with her in the 1st 2 minutes of this film.
• 32:31
  Yeah, it was just so obvious. Like, OK, well, this is going to
• 32:33
  be the person he's going to be chasing.
• 32:35
  I was just more surprised that took the entire length of the
• 32:38
  film to make it happen. Yeah, well, which that's how it
• 32:41
  is with Jane Austen. Yeah, that's what we do.
• 32:45
  That's just always how it is. And I love that Elizabeth is
• 32:52
  like the exact opposite of her earthy colors, greens, tans,
• 33:03
  Grays. I love her very, like, the
• 33:06
  scholarly cuts to like, her vests and some of her shirts.
• 33:11
  Like, I feel like in a lot of ways, she's trying to reflect,
• 33:16
  like, the intelligence of her father and because he's just
• 33:20
  like, a very, like, studious man who likes to learn things and be
• 33:23
  in his office and library and not be bothered by his family.
• 33:27
  Yeah, I was going to say, actually, like, Elizabeth was
• 33:29
  giving me like, librarian vibes, honestly, if I were to like,
• 33:34
  reference another film character, like she's like Evie
• 33:36
  from The Mummy, you know? Was literally just thinking that
• 33:40
  I'm like, if Mrs. Bennett is the great grandmother, then she's
• 33:47
  the great grandmother of Evie. Just like the shawls, even like
• 33:51
  the haircut at times, only this is very like librarian with the
• 33:55
  bangs and she's just like beautiful the entire time.
• 33:58
  And Keira? Knightley.
• 34:00
  Yeah, well, that's just, I think people need to put more respect
• 34:03
  on Keira Knightley name by the way she acts her ass off in his
• 34:07
  film. People love to talk about how
• 34:09
  she acts with her teeth and her mouth, which I think it, I mean,
• 34:13
  which is true, but also it's like she's incredible.
• 34:16
  Yeah. I just, I've Keira Knightley's
• 34:18
  never done anything where I've been like, she's not good.
• 34:20
  Like Keira Knightley is the bomb.
• 34:22
  She live in Paris with the Caribbean.
• 34:24
  Like she's just Keira Knightley is that girl.
• 34:26
  And I wish we would see more Keira Knightley, but she we
• 34:29
  don't see her in that much too. I just wish she's like.
• 34:32
  Living her life, they're just doing what she wants.
• 34:35
  Wanna. Why?
• 34:35
  Because she killed Pride and Prejudice, so she doesn't need
• 34:38
  to do anything. No, she doesn't.
• 34:40
  She doesn't point. And another place she kills it.
• 34:46
  The ball at Netherfield where they're all wearing their not
• 34:50
  wedding dresses. Right.
• 34:54
  I loved those costumes. I especially, for some reason, I
• 34:58
  was so stuck on Elizabeths. They look like almost pearls in
• 35:01
  her hair. Yeah, like that.
• 35:03
  I was really attracted to that. I just looked great.
• 35:08
  Of course, I think Jane also just, I love the blue, the belt
• 35:13
  around her waist. It just looks incredible.
• 35:16
  You and her sisters cleaned up as much as they could, you know?
• 35:19
  They're a little, they're much more flamboyant, not as elegant
• 35:22
  as them, but right. They're also like 15 and 16
• 35:25
  like. Right.
• 35:27
  Or 15 and 14. Yeah, yeah, Lydia Lydia's 15
• 35:32
  when a certain somebody marries her.
• 35:36
  Oh, is that when the military guy takes her away?
• 35:40
  Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, not at this, but shortly
• 35:43
  thereafter, but I love the Netherfield ball.
• 35:48
  I love that they chose that white color palette.
• 35:52
  Like we know from Bridgerton, the debut, that like debut
• 35:55
  color. I know that's, like, not what
• 35:59
  this was supposed to be, but I did kind of feel like it was
• 36:02
  really like the introduction of Elizabeth and Darcy's, like,
• 36:07
  actual romance. And at the time you think it's
• 36:11
  like the solidification of Jane and Bingley's relationship.
• 36:16
  Like her mom is like, Oh yeah, of course they're getting
• 36:18
  married. Yeah, to be just.
• 36:20
  Anyone who will hear? It just felt like they hit like
• 36:23
  the grand stage, like this is it like where the pieces are on the
• 36:27
  board and we're trying to start gain is done.
• 36:29
  So it just felt like it just the stakes were raised.
• 36:32
  This wasn't just a typical, you know, line dancing ball where
• 36:35
  everyone shows up where they want like this.
• 36:37
  This was about business on this site.
• 36:39
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 36:42
  And you know who else was about? Business.
• 36:45
  Oh man, this guy. This fool.
• 36:47
  This guy, I actually don't know his name like this guy.
• 36:55
  You know what's really horrible? I'm actually forgetting his name
• 36:59
  too. Gosh.
• 37:01
  I should have read Pride and Prejudice before the sorry
• 37:04
  costume nerds, but I just, I, I don't think is it Wickham?
• 37:09
  With Mr. Wickham. Oh my.
• 37:10
  Gosh, yeah, this guy. Mr. Wickham.
• 37:13
  I'm still going to calm this guy, This guy.
• 37:16
  You know what appropriate. I was getting corny vibes from
• 37:19
  him the moment he came on stage or on on screen.
• 37:23
  I'm just like stuck on being on a big stage now.
• 37:26
  Yeah. I just knew I was like,
• 37:27
  something is about this gentleman.
• 37:29
  'Cause he starts complaining right away.
• 37:31
  Starts complaining almost immediately.
• 37:33
  I was like, Sir, I'm still trying to figure out what's
• 37:35
  going on with this family that Keira Knightley is in.
• 37:38
  I don't need to hear about your problems right now, too.
• 37:43
  But there's something bound, though.
• 37:44
  He comes up with this, like, kind of irresistible charm,
• 37:47
  ultimately. I mean, first of all, I mean, we
• 37:49
  know how people look in a good old military uniform.
• 37:52
  Oh, yeah. Often quite irresistible.
• 37:55
  So he was spelling trouble. OK, hot take.
• 38:00
  If it hadn't been for the Pirates of the Caribbean, you
• 38:03
  want to know who I think would have been in this role?
• 38:05
  Oh. Orlando Bloom.
• 38:08
  Can you imagine this film where Orlando Bloom is Mr. Wicca?
• 38:11
  I mean, he has he has Will Turner's haircut.
• 38:14
  Yeah, but like. And that would be the third
• 38:18
  parts of the Caribbean character that ends up in this film.
• 38:21
  Also, but like, Can you imagine how much more charming that man
• 38:24
  would have been? It would have been dangerous.
• 38:27
  It would have been. I might have been rooting for
• 38:29
  him. No offense to this man.
• 38:31
  Oh yeah. Oh, excellent actor.
• 38:34
  He did a great. Job.
• 38:34
  I don't recognize this man, but he was doing a great he was.
• 38:38
  Top notch, top notch, Sir. And he was part of the regiment
• 38:44
  that was stationed by the home of the Bennetts.
• 38:49
  And Jacqueline said the uniforms were something she actually got
• 38:55
  a lot of criticism for. Because, again, I think most
• 39:00
  people don't realize this film is taking place in the late
• 39:03
  1700s, she said. I had a lot of criticism about
• 39:08
  the military uniforms being the wrong date.
• 39:12
  Obviously in a film like Pride and Prejudice, you're not going
• 39:16
  to make 250 soldiers of the correct uniform.
• 39:21
  I have a feeling they had a pretty small budget on this,
• 39:23
  which would account for that, she said.
• 39:28
  You're going to use the Waterloo uniforms because they're there
• 39:32
  and it's actually not about the uniforms, it's how the character
• 39:36
  would be reflective. That's so funny.
• 39:39
  She's like Jacqueline's like, I took a lot of a lot of shots for
• 39:43
  that one for no reason. Exactly.
• 39:46
  That's true, costume nerds. We have to pick our battles, and
• 39:49
  this would not have been one. I would have been leading the
• 39:51
  charge. No, I, you know, seeing this, I
• 39:57
  was like before I knew what what time period we were dealing
• 40:01
  with, I was like that they went with that because I also would
• 40:05
  have thought like there would be more like Regency area uniforms.
• 40:10
  But then today I looked up on the battle of water to loo took
• 40:14
  place, which was in the early 1810s, right?
• 40:19
  So actually not completely inaccurate, but just.
• 40:25
  Again, not what people are expecting from a Jane Austen
• 40:27
  film. And there were quite a few
• 40:30
  things people were not expecting from a Jane Austen film.
• 40:34
  I did not go down the whole, you know, rabbit hole of people's
• 40:42
  problems, but a big one I'd always heard of was Elizabeth
• 40:48
  wearing a men's coat. And that one really historical
• 40:53
  costume people, it really ticks them off.
• 40:55
  I'm sure we're listening right now and starting to form a fest.
• 41:00
  I'm sure. But this is also the beginning
• 41:02
  of the film. You like seeing it all,
• 41:06
  reflecting on it. You know how she said, you know,
• 41:09
  the costumes are reflecting the character.
• 41:11
  It reflects that. You know, Elizabeth is really
• 41:14
  taking her cues in life from her father.
• 41:17
  She, you know, she admires her father.
• 41:21
  It's very clear and part of her admiration is reflected in her
• 41:27
  clothes. And this is probably her
• 41:28
  father's coat and she's like, it's nasty out.
• 41:31
  My dad has a better coat for this.
• 41:33
  It's more logical for me to wear his coat outside while it's
• 41:37
  nasty, right? So I'll do that.
• 41:39
  And it's just like from a storytelling perspective, I
• 41:41
  mean, her mother is not exactly someone who likes to break the
• 41:46
  rules, but her dad is a lot more chill, which is why she really
• 41:49
  gets along with him better. So yeah, I mean, he's like,
• 41:51
  yeah, sure, wearing the coat. And also like it also still
• 41:54
  continues to build the character of Elizabeth versus Jane, who
• 41:57
  Jane you would not see in this coat because it would really
• 42:01
  mess if the. You would not see her on this
• 42:03
  switch. No, not at all.
• 42:05
  But you would definitely see Elizabeth on the swing because
• 42:07
  she's the one that will walk how many miles to go see her sister
• 42:12
  in the rain, in the dirt and whatnot.
• 42:14
  So to me, like from a storytelling perspective, which
• 42:17
  is how I approach every single one of these podcasts that we
• 42:20
  do, it makes sense to me. But you know, what are you gonna
• 42:25
  do? I'm sure.
• 42:26
  I'm sure we're gonna get the comments on this.
• 42:29
  I know. I.
• 42:30
  Know. Bring it on.
• 42:31
  Bring it on people. We actually don't care.
• 42:34
  I actually don't look at the comments all that.
• 42:37
  Much I do, but I enjoy it because I I mean, it's you're,
• 42:41
  I'm open to people's opinions and that I at the end of the
• 42:44
  day, storytelling and it if it gets a rise out of you or if it
• 42:48
  makes you feel a certain way about character, I think that's
• 42:51
  what it's supposed to do. So true.
• 42:53
  I love bringing on the comments conversation, yeah.
• 42:57
  One place I'm still upset is Caroline Bingley's look for the
• 43:04
  Netherfield ball and her shoulders just being out.
• 43:08
  Oh, not the shoulders. Her like I would love to see the
• 43:14
  research to back up Caroline Bingley's shoulders being out
• 43:19
  like that. I wish I had some pearls for us
• 43:21
  to clutch. I can't believe her shoulders,
• 43:27
  but this is also one of those moments where I'm like,
• 43:30
  honestly, if I'd seen her at a prom in 2005, I would have been
• 43:35
  like, Oh my gosh girl, you look so cute.
• 43:38
  Oh my gosh, yeah, that's so true.
• 43:40
  It does feel. Now that you're pointed out, it
• 43:42
  does feel a little out of out of place.
• 43:45
  Yeah. She looks great though.
• 43:47
  Oh, she looks. A to me, it's like Caroline
• 43:50
  Bingley is like, like we talked about that fashion forward
• 43:53
  character where her, whatever she's doing is going to be a
• 43:57
  decade ahead of what everyone else is doing.
• 44:00
  Nobody had their shoulders out, no.
• 44:02
  One had their shoulders out a decade from this point.
• 44:05
  I mean, we're hardly showing their ankles so.
• 44:08
  So it does feel a little crazy. God.
• 44:10
  Forbid you show an ankle. I know.
• 44:12
  So this one all right, historical costumers you're
• 44:15
  allowed to get after this one in the comments.
• 44:17
  We'll, we'll allow it. My 1 allowance also like another
• 44:24
  strong point is the romance in this people are like, oh it's
• 44:28
  too modern, which I'm like yes it is very modern especially so
• 44:33
  you I don't think realized what was happening in this scene.
• 44:38
  But when Mr. Darcy helps her into the coach after she is
• 44:42
  taking her sister home and their hands touch without gloves,
• 44:50
  which was not. Neither of them were wearing
• 44:53
  gloves, which was heaven forbid. Spencer.
• 44:59
  Back in the day. Scandalous.
• 45:02
  Really. And so do you remember his
• 45:04
  little like his little hand spasm?
• 45:08
  No. So you have to Google this
• 45:12
  you're. Gonna have to rewatch it for 1/3
• 45:14
  time. No, you just need to Google it.
• 45:16
  Trust me, so many people have clipped out his little hand
• 45:19
  movement. I've been, I've been so
• 45:23
  terrified to do this episode 'cause I know Pride and
• 45:26
  Prejudice of such murky waters for me to be in.
• 45:29
  Please show me Grace. I'm terrified.
• 45:31
  No, no. It's fine, he does that 'cause
• 45:34
  he's like, Oh my gosh, I just touched one of the most
• 45:36
  attractive women I've ever seen. How did he like imprint on her
• 45:40
  like Twilight? No, he's just like, can't
• 45:44
  believe he did something so improper.
• 45:47
  But it also was like turning him on.
• 45:49
  He's like I, I like this girl. Exactly.
• 45:56
  Exactly. And also Mr. Darcy's final look.
• 46:04
  Oh man. He never would have shown up in
• 46:08
  real life, never would have shown up like that.
• 46:10
  OK, but. To but it supported the story.
• 46:14
  It supported the story. His punk ass aunt showed up at
• 46:18
  Elizabeth's house at the middle of the night AM, so he must have
• 46:22
  had to get out of bed at 5:00 AM to go correct whatever mess she
• 46:26
  made. So he just had time to throw on
• 46:28
  his his little shirt with all the chest hair poking out and
• 46:32
  whatever coat he's been wearing and he, he darted.
• 46:35
  He was like, oh, interesting meeting you here in this big old
• 46:38
  grass field. They had to one up Colin Firth's
• 46:41
  swimming scene in the miniseries, so I think that's
• 46:44
  how they were trying to do it. I haven't seen it yet.
• 46:47
  Is this my time to talk about the ending of this film then?
• 46:50
  Yes, it is. What was that ending?
• 46:53
  Oh my God, I Elizabeth was there.
• 46:56
  I threw my pillow. I was so pissed.
• 46:59
  I just you're mad. I just feel like so many of you
• 47:06
  have been being like, oh, it's like such the the most romantic
• 47:09
  film, the longing of it. Oh my gosh, that's the greatest
• 47:12
  romance. Did they they like they kissed
• 47:16
  at the end and that was it. It ended with her talking to her
• 47:19
  daddy in the office. But where's the wedding?
• 47:22
  Where's the honeymoon? Where is the intimate scene?
• 47:26
  Which I'm sure that's asking for a lot We.
• 47:29
  Found it afterwards. We did the YouTube it and they
• 47:32
  were sitting outside looking at the stars.
• 47:35
  I needed to consummate this marriage.
• 47:38
  I needed something. I just could not believe.
• 47:41
  I was like, I've been here for two hours and 30, 3 minutes.
• 47:44
  I didn't get to see them get married.
• 47:46
  No, when I was hit with that HBO Max screen, I wanted to break
• 47:50
  the remote. I was like, what do you mean?
• 47:53
  Like I have never seen such shock crossing her face it.
• 47:57
  Was just like 5 more minutes. That's what I needed, yeah.
• 48:01
  Is that how the book ends? I think so.
• 48:04
  It's been a It's been a minute since I read the book, but kind
• 48:08
  of there might. But there's a wedding in the
• 48:11
  miniseries. There's a wedding in the
• 48:13
  miniseries, yeah. I I just was like, I was even
• 48:18
  messaging with someone who listens to the podcast and I was
• 48:21
  like, that's. Not how it ends.
• 48:23
  I don't think it ends with a wedding, but it ends with the
• 48:27
  two of them coming to dinner at the Mr. Bingley and Siddarthi
• 48:31
  coming to dinner at the Bennett's house.
• 48:34
  And the mother is so floored because in the book Mr. Mr.
• 48:42
  Darcy and Bingley, they pretty much show up like in the same
• 48:47
  day to ask the dad's permission to marry the sisters.
• 48:52
  And the mother is so floored she does not speak for the rest of
• 48:55
  the day. What a victory, finally a win.
• 49:01
  I don't know. I just, I was messaging with
• 49:02
  someone and they were like, who who listens to the podcast?
• 49:06
  She's probably going to hear this.
• 49:08
  And I'm like, oh, like, just like such a romantic ending.
• 49:10
  What do you mean? And I was like, I don't know,
• 49:13
  maybe I've been coming from the world of Bridgerton.
• 49:16
  I hate to bring that up again, but I'm like I.
• 49:18
  Mean it's irrelevant. Where's the carriage scene with
• 49:21
  the Pitbull music? You know, just kidding.
• 49:24
  I I get it. But I was just, I just needed
• 49:28
  five more minutes. That's all I needed.
• 49:31
  I just needed a payoff because I felt like I, I just wasn't
• 49:35
  getting the romance the whole time.
• 49:37
  Like, I know that there was like this subtle longing for each
• 49:40
  other. It was almost, it was again, it
• 49:43
  was so respectful and British. Well.
• 49:47
  That's the, that's the, that's the thing.
• 49:49
  It's like they couldn't outright.
• 49:52
  And, like, obviously, he has a lot of prejudice against her
• 49:56
  because he sees her as being from, like, a lower rank in
• 49:59
  society. Yeah, even though technically
• 50:01
  they are not. She has too much pride to admit
• 50:06
  that this man who looks down on her she is falling in love with.
• 50:09
  Right. So I just, I believed her when
• 50:12
  Judi Dench showed up in a very bad mood and was like, do not
• 50:16
  marry Mr. Darcy. And she was like, I won't.
• 50:18
  And I believed her. I was like, she doesn't want to
• 50:20
  marry Mr. Darcy. Well at that point she does want
• 50:24
  to marry Mr. Darcy because she saw where he lives and that even
• 50:29
  in the book she's like oh oops wait, this is what I gave up
• 50:34
  which which I get. Yeah.
• 50:37
  Those. Properties, because I started to
• 50:39
  switch on Mr. Darcy at that moment.
• 50:41
  Like Chef's kiss. But yeah, I think you just need
• 50:47
  to be. I think you need to watch more
• 50:50
  Regency era. I do.
• 50:53
  Adaptations. Read a couple Jane Austen
• 50:55
  novels. I would like to read Pride and
• 50:57
  Prejudice. Honestly, it's really good.
• 50:59
  I'm I think I'm ready. I've I'm starting to get into a
• 51:01
  book phase. I've bought a few books lately.
• 51:04
  I just need to finally finish this one I'm on.
• 51:06
  But Pride and Prejudice is on the list.
• 51:08
  So how would you rate this film and turn one out of five
• 51:14
  stitches? Man, that's a hard one.
• 51:17
  Spencer, it is. Yeah.
• 51:21
  OK, Well, you go first. When we watched it, I think I
• 51:24
  said I gave it a 3.5 out of five stitches.
• 51:31
  I don't, but I still don't. I don't know, like I feel like I
• 51:34
  could give a different answer every time.
• 51:36
  A same. Because Parmi wants to say it,
• 51:38
  it's like a solid 3, but then I look at the production of it and
• 51:42
  just like the actual scale and the acting and sets makes you
• 51:46
  want to say it's a four at the same time, yeah.
• 51:49
  And I'm like some of the like the cinematography, I'm like,
• 51:52
  that's a solid 5 stitches, right?
• 51:53
  There. Yeah, it's beautiful.
• 51:55
  The music, great. Yeah.
• 51:57
  You know what, audience? Tell us how many stitches you
• 52:00
  would give it. Yeah, I don't know.
• 52:02
  This is our first one where I think I don't feel comfortable
• 52:05
  with any. No, no, every, you know, let's
• 52:09
  put a poll in, we'll put a poll on Instagram and I don't know,
• 52:12
  can you do that on TikTok? You can do that on TikTok.
• 52:15
  I'll figure it out. We'll figure it out, we'll put
• 52:17
  it on Instagram and TikTok, and we will come back next week, our
• 52:21
  next episode with the results. Yeah, let us know because we're
• 52:24
  stumped. It's a it's a hard one, but
• 52:28
  we'll take all the arguments, we'll present them to the jury
• 52:31
  and. Every single one.
• 52:34
  Elizabeth Ferry to play our favorite game.
• 52:36
  I am hit it the one costume to rule them all.
• 52:47
  OK, why don't you go first this time?
• 52:50
  My one look, or MY1 costume to rule them all, is Mr. Darcy's
• 52:55
  final look. Actually, 'cause it, it's
• 53:00
  actually it's iconic. It is for this film.
• 53:03
  Even I knew this look. Yeah, you know it.
• 53:06
  It's I love. It's just like Mr. Darcy from
• 53:10
  the beginning, when you see him walk or ride up in like his like
• 53:15
  top hat, like all stuffed up, like he's so stuffed up through
• 53:19
  the whole film. And then you see him being like,
• 53:21
  Oh my gosh, I cannot lose the woman I love.
• 53:24
  And it's just like in the bare minimum of clothing to leave his
• 53:28
  home. I mean this is the Regency
• 53:30
  version of naked. I mean literally Tom Wamsgans in
• 53:34
  that chest. I.
• 53:37
  Know the way it took me like 2 whole seasons of succession to
• 53:42
  realize that was the same man while.
• 53:45
  I remember, because I remember on Twitter, people kept calling
• 53:48
  him Mr. Darcy and I did not understand.
• 53:51
  I was like, what? His name's Tom.
• 53:53
  But anyways, yeah, no, that's a great look.
• 53:56
  I it's just iconic. And also like that scene in
• 53:59
  particular, the final scene, well, not the final scene, but
• 54:03
  one of the ones. It just shot so beautifully.
• 54:06
  The sun coming up. I know it's just as they get
• 54:09
  going for like they don't even kiss actually.
• 54:12
  I'm realizing they just bring their faces close to together
• 54:16
  and I. Mean heaven forbid you kiss
• 54:17
  before you're married, Spencer. He already touched his hands so
• 54:20
  I her hands so I feel like he. Has to marry her now.
• 54:24
  She's basically pregnant for all we know, so MY1 costume ruled
• 54:30
  them all. You'll have to remind me what
• 54:31
  moment this was, but I think it's when she heads to Judy
• 54:36
  Denche House. Of all the statues you see
• 54:39
  Elizabeth in this. That's Mr. Darcys home.
• 54:42
  That's Mr. Darcys home. That's Mr. Darcys home.
• 54:44
  OK, yeah. I mean, again, this is when I
• 54:47
  started to change on Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth's walking in like
• 54:51
  this. Really.
• 54:52
  It's a really simple kind of gown, but the lines, stripes on
• 54:56
  it or like matching in a really interesting pattern on the back.
• 55:00
  Actually, we get a little bit of back action.
• 55:02
  Yeah. And I, it just really stood out
• 55:05
  to me. That was my favorite.
• 55:06
  Especially when she's standing amongst all these, like,
• 55:08
  beautiful marble statues. It just felt like Elizabeth was
• 55:13
  standing there, too, as, like, this statuesque.
• 55:16
  Yeah, beautiful creature that was exploring this space and
• 55:19
  this potential. She sees herself in this world.
• 55:22
  Yeah, amongst all these statues in this art.
• 55:24
  And she realizes, like, this could be hers, too.
• 55:27
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 55:28
  It's like a very subtly romantic moment.
• 55:31
  Yeah. She.
• 55:31
  Realizes like, oh, this is what I gave up saying no Yeah.
• 55:35
  And. That's a hard reality pill to
• 55:37
  swallow. Yeah, I love it too, because she
• 55:41
  really looks like she could have been the lady of the house.
• 55:45
  She fits in. It's a great tryout moment.
• 55:48
  Yeah, yeah, it really is. But honestly, it was hard to
• 55:52
  pick A1 costume for this film because there were so many
• 55:55
  costumes, but also there weren't like many standouts like it.
• 55:59
  Just Jacqueline Duran did such a good job at just making it feel
• 56:03
  like real and lived in throughout the film.
• 56:06
  Everything like made sense, you know, Well, we talked about the
• 56:10
  controversies, but it just felt like it all made sense.
• 56:12
  And the costumes somehow didn't, like, take away from the film
• 56:16
  like some period films do, where it's over the top and you know.
• 56:20
  It certainly wasn't a bridge or to end.
• 56:22
  It's right where it's like neon and butterflies and everything.
• 56:26
  This one felt like very subtle and realistic at the same time.
• 56:30
  So for that, I loved it. Well, I'm so glad we did this
• 56:33
  episode. Elizabeth.
• 56:34
  I've been looking forward to Pride and Prejudice.
• 56:37
  I was bugging her for days. I was like, I really want to
• 56:39
  watch Pride and Prejudice soon, So now I feel caught up.
• 56:43
  There are so many great, like, anniversary events.
• 56:46
  I I wanted to go to you and I've never even seen the film.
• 56:49
  There was something at the Huntington library even.
• 56:51
  I was like, I want to go to, yeah.
• 56:52
  I thought about going to that and then I was like, money,
• 56:56
  yeah. I really want to go if you love
• 56:59
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• 57:02
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• 57:06
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• 57:08
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  I ready to tell us what our next film is.
• 57:35
  And now we're where you're calling it Historical hot girl
• 57:39
  summer. The next film in historical Hot
• 57:41
  Girl Summer is a classic of the golden age of film Spencer.
• 57:48
  I don't think it gets hotter than this film.
• 57:49
  I don't think it gets hotter than this film.
• 57:52
  It is controversial. It is steeped in salacious
• 57:57
  behind the scenes stories. Next week we are watching
• 58:03
  Cleopatra starring the Liz Taylor.
• 58:08
  We are really taking it back from this one.
• 58:10
  Oh yeah, that's not like we were talking about Andor a couple
• 58:13
  weeks ago. We're going way, way back.
• 58:18
  OK, I'm excited. I've never actually seen this
• 58:21
  film. I've seen thousand pictures.
• 58:24
  I've heard a lot of facts. So I'm excited to just check
• 58:27
  this one off the list. It'll be fun.
• 58:29
  And I'm really into a film seeped into controversy.
• 58:32
  Oh, yeah. I mean, even Pride and Prejudice
• 58:34
  was a little spicy at times. Absolutely.
• 58:36
  Yeah. Thank you all for listening.
• 58:38
  And let us know what you think of Pride and Prejudice so we
• 58:41
  could bring it up again. We'll, I love the audience
• 58:44
  feedback, so we'll definitely be.
• 58:46
  We'll put a poll out. We'll put official it's rating
• 58:50
  on this bad boy in a couple weeks.
• 58:52
  Absolutely. All right, customers.
• 58:55
  See you next time.