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Face/Off | Child's Play (2019) · Potato Chip Pictures - A Podcast

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Yeah, this was a much harder reboot than I had been
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anticipating. What?
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Do you mean harder like tougher to watch or harder?
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No, I mean like, like they, they went for really a radically
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different idea, you know? Yeah.
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I'd I'd agree to that. So it it wasn't that I was
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sitting here like they ruined it or they this was a bridge too
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far. It was more that I kept thinking
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like, this is nothing like any of the originals.
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We've got character names, situations, not even a lot of
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situations. The only situation is that Mom
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works at a retail store. Like there, it's not even a good
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guy doll anymore. Buddy Doll.
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We needed to do something with the name.
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I feel like that's what it's not like what Spider Man's deal is.
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They have to make a movie or something, otherwise the rights
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get unlicensed or something. That is an interesting theory.
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I had not looked into it. I didn't know what any of the
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reasoning was, but. I mean, it's not it's not like
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I'm telling my score, but it in terms of a continuation,
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obviously it's not continuing the previous movie.
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It is still part of the franchise.
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It is the Australian Bond because it does use the
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character in a different world. I guess it doesn't include well,
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I guess it maybe doesn't like how Bond's villain doesn't
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recognize him anymore, but still the same name stuff is still
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kind of happening. I think they really used what
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they could and thankfully I say they they didn't have writers
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that were like, OK, it has to do this.
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This is a different adventure using the same name.
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Hello and welcome to Potato Chip Pictures, the movie franchise
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review podcast Money is B Sammy Davis.
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Right. It's still Justin.
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And today we're looking at 2019's Child's Play, the reboot
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of the franchise. Officially this time.
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Yeah, tell me about this particular movie.
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We don't really know the particulars as to why only two
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years after Cult of Chucky this came out, we've got 2019
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different. Director Lars Klevberg is the
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notes screenwriter of Tyler Burton Smith.
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I'm not aware of any other films credits of these folks have, but
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the producer was David Katzenberg and Seth Graham
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Smith. None of these names look like
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they have any previous credits in the other ones, unless maybe
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they were something other than Director, Screenwriter,
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Producer. And I'm almost positive David,
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David Katzenberg was not, because he's the only name in
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this whole list that I would kind of recognize.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't know how the hell they
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spent 10 million to get 44.9 million back.
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That's that's better than the first one.
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Yeah, yeah. They spent less money than in
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1988 and they got set or well, $700,000 more than they got in
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1988. That's wild.
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I don't know if that's like a great amount of return like
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comparatively versus $1988.00, but that's it's more
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technically. Yeah, yeah, technically.
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I mean with inflation, obviously it is less.
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Like, I'm not going to go and pull up an inflation calculator,
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but 44.2 million inflates to, well, I'm not going to say much,
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but definitely more than $2019, you know?
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Well, those are the credits and the the values of the numbers.
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I, I don't know that I really loop this in as part of the
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first era of Chucky franchise. Like we had how many movies for
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what 7 with Chucky 7, the doll, good guy doll and then we have
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one that for the return. I feel like it should have done
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another one but it's been 7 years now.
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Yeah, yeah. And the TV series has been a
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relative hit. Like at least one person I know
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likes it, and they're on what, Season 3?
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Season 4? I'm not watching it so I could
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be wrong, but there are multiple seasons of this show so they
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probably don't feel a need to run back to the theaters.
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And you also don't want to cannibalize your audience or
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create brand confusion. All of this stuff that that
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people talked about in the 80s and 90s that Marvel proved to be
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just stupid. But then why?
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Why does this exist? That's that's the quandary.
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And this one also has, relatively speaking, a lot of
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star power we've got. Aubrey.
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Plaza. Early, like she's the big name,
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sure, but I don't know if the the other people are quite so
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big, but yeah. Well, I was going to say Brian
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Tyree Henry might be in his early stages of stardom, like
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he's in so many Movies Now. And frankly, this was kind of a
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surprising role I had. Like, I've genuinely looked him
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up to be like, is this really the guy from The Eternals?
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Like this is weird and. Sure, nothing else was too.
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The Godzilla versus Kong movies, the the 2 ends of the monster
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verse movies. He's the conspiracy theorist.
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No, no, no. He's in bullet train.
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He's lemon. He is also in Bullet Train as a
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charming character. Yeah, he's awesome in that.
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I was going to say he's one of the best parts of that movie.
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I I think that movie is kind of average and he's one of the
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things that brings it up. Like, if he weren't in it, I
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would probably say it was a below average movie, but he's
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genuinely good in that movie compared to so many others.
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And and so I was excited every time he was on screen.
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And he's genuinely good in this one too.
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And then of course, the biggest name of them all, Mark Hamill.
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Luke Skywalker. The Joker.
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I forgot, I forgot 100%. At no point did his voice betray
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him. It was.
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It was. Odd there.
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See, and I'm, I, I'm familiar enough with Mark Hamill because
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I grew up as a Star Wars nerd. I watched it multiple times a
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year. I had friends where our whole
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thing was just like, hey, my dad's watching Star Wars come
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over. You could go to each other's
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house. So like I was very familiar with
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his voice. And then of course Batman the
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Animated Series came out and then over the years there's all
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these documentaries and other films that he has been in.
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And so I was pretty familiar with his voice.
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But even with as familiar as I was, it was really only like 3
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times where I was like, yeah, that's definitely Mark Hamill.
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Other times I was like, this is a freaky doll.
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I think I began the movie expecting it to kind of hit the
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same steps as Chucky and she gets a doll and she it's kind of
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used and broken. It's like, OK, it's getting
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there. I think it when things go off
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the rails because it's just AI, it feels different than it being
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a serial killer. We we got to, we got to go back
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then we got to go back to, to the factory, to the creation of
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evil Chucky. Evil buddy who gives himself the
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name of Chucky or something like.
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That and it's all all because one guy is getting fired so he
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takes all of the safety controls off of the motherboard.
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They're getting yelled at in oh, I don't know which language it
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is. It was either Vietnamese or
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Taiwanese, it was Southeastern Asia, and I just can't remember
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what the subtitles said. So the American audience really
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knows what's happening the the entry controls for the AI
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safeguards, it's all in English. He programs exclusively in
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English A. Little bit of a OK well I I.
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And then another thing that that immediately caught my eye is
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that as we're panning to the guy who's about to get fired, the
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very first workstation we get to is this lady with these huge
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motherboards. And I'm like, that's never going
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to fit in a doll. What are you doing with those?
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Who knows? We need the audience to know
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electric. Computers, yeah.
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And then I guess I'm he wasn't programming a a motherboard, he
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was programming ACPU. Chucky one.
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One doll, one at a time, they all get assembled one at a time,
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including putting the chips in place and programming the.
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Glory of an assembly line, you know, 19 whatever it seems.
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So inefficient to to program them on the assembly line.
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What exactly do you want to say about the birth of Chucky?
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It is my biggest thumbs down of this entire movie.
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It is the thing that I genuinely had trouble getting over, like
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the ease in which one person can create evil just by manually
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turning off all the safeguards and and and I'm just sitting
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here like, this is this is kind of dumb.
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But then, but then something happened in the news where OK,
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I'm we're going to get some current events, which is going
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to date this podcast. And who knows, maybe in a, in a
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year when we're all extinct, the robots can listen to this as
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part of their history. But what happened a couple of
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weeks ago, I don't remember the exact date, was Anthropic had
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their AI with the Pentagon. And they essentially there was
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conflict because they had said it would go against their terms
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of service if an AI had been developed on their platform that
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was able to take a human life. And so the Pentagon through this
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big fit, they are currently trying to like give Anthropic
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bad press all over and then open AI.
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The creators of ChatGPT the next day stepped in to say, we'll
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take that contract and we'll let you develop AI that will kill
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people. And this stupid movie that has a
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dude turn manually turning off safeguards and creating an evil
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AI suddenly becomes real real close to science fact.
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So now the movies made me mad twice.
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It was such a stupid concept and then it came true in real life
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before my eyes. So I'm on the fence.
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Part of Maine is like wow, for 2019, this movie was incredibly
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ahead of its time. But then the other part of Maine
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is like, it's so stupid that you just type off to turn off safety
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features. And the evil just happens
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because of misunderstandings, you know?
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Yeah, but then the robot realizes I do like killing
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people. I am into this.
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It seems like it. I feel like the prime directive
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is, oh, I'm supposed to keep you happy?
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Like, well, that is still AI currently, Yeah.
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Just make sure you come back and ask you more questions I'm going
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to bias my answers to. This hopefully this podcast will
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go until one of us, most likely me, is targeted by a ChatGPT
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drone for saying something that I shouldn't have online.
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But until then, we're going to keep going forward.
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And, and I, you know, hats off to this movie with its stupid
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premise for being correct. You can create an evil AI just
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by turning off safety features. That easy?
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Make sure you. Yeah, just with the right
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prompt. I mean, I kind of took myself
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out of the current events to just be like, OK, He tells it to
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be evil. There's no magic off the
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Internet to make it. I guess it is still magic off
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the Internet, you know? Yeah, but it does seem to be
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Andy and his friends and what they're watching on television
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that turns him evil because he's.
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That made me laugh. Yeah, like he's got the breadth
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of the Internet and that doesn't do it.
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He's like, all right, I'm ready to go.
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I'm. I'm plugged in.
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Let's do this thing. But then them watching something
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where, oh, they're watching some serial killer movie.
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Yeah, yeah. If it's not actually Texas
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Chainsaw Massacre, then it's, you know, something that
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certainly wants to look like it. And the kids are laughing at it.
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And so Chucky's like, well, this brings them joy.
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The funniest. Do some.
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Murder. Yeah, The funniest scene to me
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in the whole beginning of the movie is watching Chucky
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practice his stabbing, where he's just stabbing the air and
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no one is like watching him. He's just grabbed a knife and
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he's just practicing. And like, most of the beginning
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of this movie was either distracting to me or just kind
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of comical in a way where I don't think it wanted to be.
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And so I just kept kind of being like, this movie sucks.
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Like, what am I watching? But then it takes a turn pretty
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like, I don't want to say quick because it is kind of gradual,
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but but they're like, I would say around the second act or,
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you know, about 1/3 of the way through the movie, it started to
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turn on me. And I was like, I'm having fun.
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Like I'm kind of digging this. The I think the Chucky
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strangling the cat and then being stopped to Chucky just
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going all the way and killing the cat was the initial like,
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yeah. And props to the child actor,
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like the horror and sadness and grief and just disbelief and
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guilt and shame of like, I did say that and my robot carried it
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through and killed my cat to make me happy.
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It's like, oof. And then there's the next one,
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just like, Oh my, oh wow, it is. Such an escalation, yeah.
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It's like, oh, the cat is like, oh, well that's like, OK, the
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cat might have got run over by a car or something.
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The cat's missing. It's like, oh, the the human is
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dead now and we have a have to give wrap a face.
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And I do think the having the friends eventually get in on it
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was like, yeah, this is horrifying.
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If you if you step back a little bit from all the other chuckies
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where, oh I forget his name, gets his belly cut open and his
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guts fall in the. Redman.
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Redman, it's like that was a like kind of ha ha.
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Because I think Jennifer says a pun or something when she leaves
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him. Something like that too.
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Yeah. That's a human face on a
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watermelon. And you best your new friend is
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throwing their throwing up their guts because it's disgusting.
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Yeah. It is horrible and I got to say
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I was legitimately shocked. Maybe, maybe I'm a bit of a
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prude, but when Shane, Karen's boyfriend Karen is the mother
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played by Aubrey Plaza. When Shane drives home in a huff
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and we see that he's got a a real family with a wife and
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kids, I was like, what, in the 1980s booming America is this?
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Got two families. What in the world?
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How do you support that? That is wild.
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I couldn't quite tell. I felt like like I didn't rewind
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to see, but I'm trying to read and see if Shane that gets out
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of his car puts his wedding ring back on.
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I couldn't tell if his color looked like, you know, like a a
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pasture color, you know, those little white thingies.
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Oh, I get what you're saying. I, I couldn't tell and I, the
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wiki doesn't really say it briefly looked like it.
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And I was like, oh man, he's going all the way with this
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horrible man cuz he's, he's a jerk to Andy and to oh, Karen.
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Yeah, he's not a good person. And so it is.
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Gosh, it's so funny that like I had to jump into the group chat
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and be like, secret family. What in the world?
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Like, it was so. Yeah.
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So that was what got me. That was what really surprised
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me. And I hate to say it, but.
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His death might be my favorite in this particular movie.
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It is drawn out. It takes a while.
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It there's a lot of build up to it.
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We don't really see a lot of Chucky.
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It's all hidden, scurrying around.
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Yeah, so I, I think yeah, it, it was a top notch kill.
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It was the just the right amount of tension, but also just the
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right amount of silly. And yeah, and then the head on
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the watermelon was just just the icing on the cake to top it.
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Off I felt like it was the middle of this movie was someone
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desperately saying, hey, I have a really good idea for what an
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uninhibited AI would do when it's trying to make its owner
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happy and there's a bad man that's there and there's a cat
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and like all these things that it wants to do.
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So the middle for me is pretty solid.
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I enjoy it the most. I think the middle really, I'm
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going to say the middle all the way to gosh, close to the end,
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like we're talking the last 15 to 20 minutes when the finale
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starts to kick in. But building up to that from the
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middle to to the finale, I think is a really good movie.
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Like if you would just tuned in for that, you might be like, oh,
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that's a weird looking Chucky, but then you'd be like, this is
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psychotic and good. And these relationships between
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all these people are so interesting.
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Like Andy gift wrapping it and then pretending it's a gift for
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the neighbor who plays along because she's a sweet old lady.
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Yeah, I do think I didn't quite follow the murder of the sweet
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old lady as being necessary to Andy's happiness.
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Like OK. I mean, Chucky says it.
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He's like Andy, can't have any other best friend you.
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Know I guess I it is my least favorite kill I would assume.
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But I'll agree because she's such a sweet old lady.
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You're just like, there's no way to kill her.
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That makes the audience go yeah or Oh no, like it's more of a
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man. I didn't want her to die like.
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She was cool. Even that was like, oh, I'm
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going to take an Uber to bingo and oh wait, it's all fine.
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We get to bingo. Oh wait, it's actually not fine.
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Oh, wait, Chucky gets in the car.
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I was I was a little like, wait, how did all this actually go
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down? I'm not going to rewind.
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OK, it it happened and it. This is the point where OK, so
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Chucky gets an upgrade midway through the movie and during my
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second favorite kill he he's thrown away and the building's
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maintenance worker finds him in the trash can I.
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Forgot about that. Yeah.
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And starts like overclocking him, finding all these new like
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aftermarket parts and he, he's putting this stuff together and
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then he finds some new clothes and I presumably I think he
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wants to sell the doll. That's not about.
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EBay, yeah, but he doesn't get a chance to do that because he
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fully networks Chucky and now he's part of the entire Caslan
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network, Caslan being this universe's Uber megacorp that
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has all of the AI stuff connected.
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Apparently all of the electronics in the entire world
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are connected to them. Pretty much this was this would
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be like if Apple, Google and Amazon were one company, you
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know, so like 10 years in the future.
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But he oh, man, it's such a gruesome murder.
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This, this maintenance man, for some reason, like I can't even
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remember the order of events. Chucky's just messing with all
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the electronics and eventually the guy climbs onto a table.
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Like I don't even know what the tool is called.
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He does cut his calves, so I immediately when he cut him, I
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was like, watch your ankles. It's still a little thing.
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It's still Chucky, you got to watch your ankles.
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He does. Climbing, yeah.
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That's why he starts climbing up, because he wants to get to
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higher ground. And for some reason the the
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table saw is also networked. Yeah, everything.
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Yeah, it like tips over and then he has to hold himself up on a
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heating pipe and it's a little bit of a set up to get him to
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get sliced. Oh yeah, his leg on the table
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saw. So over the top.
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So over the top. It is one of the most absurd
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kills I have seen in a movie and I've seen most of the Saw movies
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so I am familiar with over the top kills and this is one of my
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favorite over the top murders. Well, I think it's one of the,
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oh, the old lady didn't deserve it.
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This guy 100% the creepy and then dissecting Chucky, it's
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like, well, he kinda kind of. It's OK that he's dead.
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Yeah. So I'm sitting here thinking
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like, OK, he never came on to anyone.
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Maybe he tried to ask Karen on a date but he never like forced
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himself on anyone that I remember.
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Cameras in their bathrooms. That's true, I forgotten he does
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have the creepy camera set up. I forgot about the creepy camera
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set up in my head. I was thinking about all the
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previous scenes and I'm like he's a fat nerdy dude and that's
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the reason we're supposed to hate him.
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But then I you reminded me he also they they justify it.
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They're like but he is creepy. He.
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Is over the line of acceptability.
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Yeah. But yeah, I I will agree with
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you that Detective Norris's mother, Doreen, that's her name.
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I forgot that his name was Mike Norris.
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Yep. We've got all three characters
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share the the names of the first movie.
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It's we got Karen, Andy and Mike and they're all in this movie,
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but they don't become a happy family by the end of it.
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In fact, Mike comes off as the creepiest one at the beginning
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of the movie. I mean, yeah, I do think, I
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guess we only really see him first when Andy's hanging out in
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the hallway. And yeah.
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And he just comes up to be like, hey, want to have dinner with
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me? Want to be my date to my mom's
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house. Yeah.
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I was like oh creepy vibes. Creepy was already charmed by
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this man so I I would say I would have been less creeped
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out. It's like, well, he seems like a
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good dude from the other movies. And you know, briefly I didn't
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even know it was him. I was really like, he looks so
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familiar, but he was, he was so in that moment and I was so in
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that moment that I was like, what a creep.
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This dude is, is so weird. And then for the rest of the
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movie, he just gets better and better and becomes a character
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that you care about and you're like, oh man, he's really cool.
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But I do have to point out, not a very good introduction.
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Not a good introduction. Where I think I enjoy the second
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act the most, I really enjoy the focus on the tension for the kid
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like Karen is kind of in and out, like she's not as involved
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as first child's play Karen. It feels like where Andy in the
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first movie goes out to an abandoned house inside the city.
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This Andy hangs out with friends and tries to hide A skinned
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human face and what else they do.
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Nothing else really dies until the grandma or the mom.
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Yeah, I think so, because the main tension, and I was about to
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say it's the other thing that gets a big thumbs up to me.
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Casting an older Andy really does allow for a little bit more
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insanity like antics. Yeah, well, and for me, it was
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it. It would make me go literally
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insane the way that Chucky is treating Andy like they get
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separated, one of the neighbor kids gets the doll and the doll
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continues to harass Andy and like everybody thinks Andy is
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crazy because it's just a doll. Dolls aren't alive like.
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That's the same thing. That's the same thing.
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I had to get it in there and I'm glad I got it.
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In I think it's completely fair because it it helps set up the
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fact that nobody realizes it until it's too late, and then
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they're all in the store and everybody's getting dead.
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Yeah, yeah. And you know, the, the one of
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the best scenes in the movie is really right before that, when,
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you know, people are finding out about these killings and they're
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pointing to Andy and Andy's pointing to Chucky and
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everyone's like, it doesn't like it can't do that.
31:05
And at one point, the doll is in the apartment, we think, but it
31:11
could just be networked. But it's, you know, terrorizing
31:15
Andy. And he grabs a baseball bat and
31:18
starts tearing the apartment up. Busts up the TV and Karen, yeah,
31:23
it's like, what is he doing? Yeah, and I was just like, this
31:28
is a 10 out of 10 scene. This is exactly how I would feel
31:34
if I were being if I were a 13 year old kid being harassed by a
31:40
living doll. I would, I would go insane.
31:43
Or at least the world would think I did.
31:46
Yeah, I think it is a great movie with different, if they
31:55
had put in different names, maybe you don't get $44 million,
32:00
but I think there's merits in pieces of it that like what you
32:08
call it. There's that other AI doll movie
32:10
Megan that. Megan I.
32:12
Feel like it? May and I hope we do that.
32:14
Oh yeah, it. I mean well enough to get a
32:17
sequel and a spin off. So yeah.
32:21
So I think it had merits on its own right.
32:24
And then then I will say Act three definitely was throw
32:29
everything out the window to make it 13 year old versus
32:36
Chucky. We have to have the final
32:37
showdown like, OK, well. There is one funny part.
32:44
There is one funny part to all of them.
32:48
Mayhem that goes down right before the mayhem goes down and
32:52
everybody's rushing into the store for the the buddy 2 point
32:57
O or whatever yeah Buddy 2 Chucky there's a guy putting on
33:05
a costume and Chucky gets inside the mask and stabs him in the
33:09
neck and he starts stumbling outside and then he falls down
33:14
and finally the the mask comes off and he's bleeding everywhere
33:20
but he's still not dead Mike runs over and he's like you got
33:25
to put pressure on this and then everything goes down and he
33:29
starts to get up and a drone goes into his neck to finish the
33:33
job with another stab and it was just like that's so ludicrous
33:38
but it's also classic Chucky so. Gets his head chopped off by the
33:42
thing right I. Think so.
33:45
He's fully dead the second time, but the first time dead enough.
33:50
You would think he would be dead, but no.
33:52
But a knife through the neck was not enough.
33:56
Yeah, that, that's funny. And it also just kind of started
34:03
losing steam for me. Unless OK when?
34:06
It's also when this movie starts to fall.
34:09
Apart like the kids are the the gates closing Oh wait, but Andy
34:14
and his friends are still in here.
34:16
OK, Andy's friends lift up the gate to get out because this
34:21
containment whatever drop down when the stuff went off, it's
34:25
like this is starting to kind of pull rabbits out of hats.
34:30
Like yes, it's an AI doll, but hold on, that closed.
34:35
They opened it and now Andy's going to close it again because
34:38
he has the face off against Chucky like.
34:42
Now I'm going to give the movie 1 bit of credit.
34:46
No, I'm going to take that bit of credit away.
34:48
Never mind, never mind. I was going to say that I do
34:52
believe when AI decides to take over and destroy the world, it
34:56
will all happen at once and everything that can be networked
35:00
will be networked and it will become a part of the weapon.
35:06
But. And so I was sitting here like,
35:08
well, it does make sense that now suddenly Chucky can connect
35:12
to drones and televisions and blenders and forklifts and all
35:18
the other dolls. Like he is fully networked in
35:21
the Caslan network, Bluetooth. He's not even the doll anymore.
35:25
Yeah, like he is. He is the network.
35:28
Except then I remembered he's been doing that for a while now,
35:33
and now he's just doing it to create chaos in the store.
35:38
But he continues to inhabit the body of the doll like that is
35:44
his main thing. He even though he's fully
35:48
networked and he's connected to all of these things, he is not
35:51
moving his consciousness out. He is still in the.
35:56
Dolls. So, you know, when we get a a
35:59
final stab in the doll, then it's done, it's over, right?
36:02
Yep, that's pretty much. It I should have realized what
36:06
you just said, because the Stinger at the credits is oh,
36:10
wait, there's still red eyes around.
36:13
It's like. Yeah.
36:15
Well, it is a little bit like gold Tron.
36:17
We didn't really take care of everything.
36:20
Yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, it's got its
36:24
moments in that finale, but mostly it's pretty thumbs down.
36:29
And the final conclusion really irritated me when we're in the
36:36
back of the warehouse and Andy is being cautious and then he
36:41
sees some red glowing eyes and just moves away from them while
36:47
his mother is actively freaking out more than when he was just
36:52
walking up. She's like.
36:53
And he just doesn't care. He's not looking, he's not.
36:57
She irritates me so much. Yeah, I I appreciate more his
37:04
panic and what do you call it, the acting of grief and surprise
37:11
over like the cat and the face? He did a couple of really good
37:16
screams where it's like, yeah, I'd probably scream at a face on
37:20
a watermelon exactly like that. Yeah, I'm, I'm not going to say
37:25
he's like, he's still a really good Andy.
37:28
I just, oh, I didn't like this warehouse.
37:31
Yeah, the third act inside the warehouse versus inside the
37:36
store. Store.
37:37
Yeah, warehouses, the climax, but it's just a little rougher.
37:41
It's not, I don't know, it's not.
37:44
I feel like, yes, we're not supposed to expect physics and
37:49
what not. To be fair with Chuck, he's
37:51
supposed to overpower and be stronger, just, you know,
37:54
because he's the bad guy. But he felt like there's like
38:00
some feet of strength that I was very incredulous at.
38:03
Like, hold on. Didn't he pin Andy at one point?
38:09
I'm trying to remember what it was because it was something
38:11
where it was like just incredulous enough where I was
38:17
like, OK, I get what you're doing, but come on, he's still a
38:20
doll. Like you can get him.
38:22
Yeah, it was like they were trying to hold him down at some
38:25
point. Some point.
38:27
Yeah, something, I can't remember what it was either.
38:30
I but I do know what you're talking about.
38:31
There was something where it was like, he's not that strong, come
38:35
on. And then, you know, I genuinely
38:40
thought when Andy at one point Karen is being hanged by the
38:45
neck and Andy jumps across with a knife to try to Cut the Rope,
38:51
and he and the doll are bouncing on that rope so much I thought
38:56
he had killed his mother from a broken neck.
38:58
I thought this movie would be such a wild movie if that was
39:05
what happened at the like, we kill the doll and he's like,
39:09
mom, I did it and runs over and he has killed her with a broken
39:13
neck. Like that might have saved it.
39:17
Actually, that might have made this a little more interesting.
39:19
But no, she's fine. She's OK.
39:21
I honestly thought that she was. She had found a gun somewhere in
39:26
the warehouse instead of Mike having come back from the dead.
39:33
So he does shoot Chucky out of the air.
39:36
Should they stab him anymore or they just shoot him that one
39:38
time? I think someone stabs him.
39:42
It might be Karen who does the final stab, but someone stabs
39:45
him in the glowy heart bit because I I'm pretty sure he
39:50
gets one more before he's killed.
39:55
And so everybody got a chance at Chucky, I think.
39:58
I think Karen also gets a chance at Chucky.
40:01
Maybe. But yeah, I was a little bit
40:03
upset, like. I know it's bad because he's a
40:06
really good character played by a really good actor, but I was
40:10
kind of upset that Mike was back.
40:13
It was like you died. Yep, he he almost died on
40:17
screen. Yeah.
40:20
He was still moving, just a little bit.
40:23
Yeah, the camera cut away before he could hold still.
40:27
Finished. Bleeding out if it doesn't
40:29
happen on camera, you know, so I mean third act not my favorite
40:38
of all of the acting. I think kid Andy again kills it
40:43
over over all like. Yeah.
40:46
Doreen Not great, Mike. All right, Karen.
40:50
See, I think Doreen was great. I'm going to push back on you.
40:53
It goes Andy Doreen for me. Well, you're wrong.
40:57
So, Karen, I think Amy Aubrey Plaza, the bigger name, I think
41:07
maybe she does a good job of being Karen, I guess.
41:11
Yeah. But she's definitely not playing
41:14
the typical Aubrey Plaza sarcastic character.
41:18
You know the. Beginning of the movie a little
41:20
bit. A little bit, but for the most
41:23
part she's a caring mother who is frantic and trying to hold
41:27
down a relationship and keep her family together.
41:31
Like I I like it's distracting at the beginning, but then I buy
41:37
it pretty quickly. I'm like, Yep, she's doing it.
41:40
This is a good part for her. Shane is a garbage man acted by
41:46
a fantastic actor. Good job dude.
41:49
Like the creepy guy in the previous movie.
41:52
Fantastic job. Shane was an asshole.
41:57
Yep, he killed it in that regard.
42:01
Absolute masterpiece. And then you had already
42:04
mentioned it. I I liked overall Detective Mike
42:09
Norris. There were a couple of rough
42:12
parts, very beginning and very end for the character are my
42:15
rough parts. But otherwise I really liked him
42:19
and kind of forgot that it was Brian Tyree Henry playing it.
42:23
I was like, who is this guy? He's so good.
42:26
I did like his friends that show up there a little bit
42:30
caricatures like the girl when they all get separated and the
42:36
other kid has it, she kind of strong arms the kid to, you
42:39
know, be a strong girl character.
42:41
Like, yeah, OK, sure. They don't get a lot of screen
42:46
time, but I like them. The other friend, a very
42:51
categorical kind of gross teenager.
42:56
Dude, like laughing with your mouth full of popcorn is whoo.
43:01
That's a big pet peeve. Like, I'm sure that happens all
43:05
the time at movie theaters, but I don't have to see it.
43:09
It's disgusting. So they did a fine job.
43:14
He I'm not a big fan of PUG, but I do like Fallon and together I
43:19
like the two of them as friends. I'm going to say the stinker
43:23
character for the kids were the quote UN quote bullies, the
43:28
neighbors that Andy gets in a fight with.
43:33
He's like, I don't know. I felt like they were trying to
43:36
make him like some British St. thug and I was just like, I'm
43:43
not buying it. Like he's just another neighbor
43:46
kid. Like you've had your fight now
43:49
make up so you guys can still be neighbors and friends.
43:52
Like I just I'm I was having trouble buying the villainy of
43:56
it and he's just not on screen enough to develop him as a
43:59
rival. So that's my only thumbs down as
44:04
far as the kid actors go. Yeah, I, I think it was an
44:10
interesting storyline to bring in other kids that eventually
44:14
are horrified and now all three of them can't convince anybody.
44:19
But also I feel like they didn't try to convince them because it
44:22
is so horrible. They they hide it.
44:25
It's like, oh, this is somebody's dead, like we should
44:30
tell our parents or something like that.
44:32
And I think they're they kind of discussed the main theme of, but
44:37
it's a doll. Nobody's going to believe this,
44:39
that that happened like. Yeah, dolls don't kill people.
44:43
Yes, there you got that entire. Thing in eventually.
44:49
Yeah, and those are the main characters really.
44:52
Like, I don't, I don't feel sometimes I fault movies on
44:57
being too local. Like they only happen in one
45:03
spot. I think this one did fine.
45:06
Like I was OK at the Mart, I was OK at the house, I was OK at
45:10
Shane's house. Like these are places that don't
45:13
need a lot of context. We only know the people that
45:19
live in the House of Shane's house from when he busts his
45:24
legs and they have their headphones on.
45:26
They don't hear him. Like, well, that's, that's
45:30
enough for me to be like, well, he's not going to get any help.
45:34
Yep, he's going to die. He's on his.
45:38
Own all the places, felt like they had enough so location wise
45:45
enjoyed that. Yeah, I, I'm with you on that.
45:50
I'm going to say the overall I feel like I probably had some
45:57
turnoffs going into this movie and then seeing Chuckies face
46:02
for the first time I was like whoa, that is ugly.
46:07
And so I probably came in with some negative views and then the
46:14
movie just kind of forced me to recognize that it was better
46:17
than I had given it credit for. 100% yes.
46:21
Like we're talking bad about the end because the end is pretty
46:25
bad, but the rest of that movie was kind of surprisingly good.
46:30
So, well, let's get into it. On this podcast, we do ratings,
46:36
not grades. The primary difference is where
46:37
you find the average. In a grade, the average is a 7
46:40
out of 10, where is in a rating, the average is a 5 out of 10.
46:44
And we like a 5 out of 10 because that's where the middle
46:47
is. So with that as our grading
46:51
rubric, Justin, do you have anything to add to justify
46:55
whatever score you are about to give it?
47:00
I think my grading happened in two points or ranking.
47:09
Rating because it is the final movie of the Chucky franchise.
47:16
Like this is Chucky's domain. Maybe it's not in the same
47:23
universe, but I don't think it was a better movie for in for
47:31
being part of Chucky's franchise.
47:34
Take out all of the names and put them in a different rename
47:40
everybody and I think it's a better movie if it wasn't being
47:48
compared to the other films. I I don't like it as a part of
47:56
the Chucky franchise like because it it isn't it does its
48:04
own thing really well for 7/10 of the movie.
48:11
I love those pieces. Those that like watermelon face
48:16
is horrifying. I could not really look at it
48:21
because it of all the Chucky shows, I've watched everything
48:27
and this one was like stomach turning.
48:33
I didn't really look at the cat, but the face one and the fact
48:37
that it was persistent and it stuck around and it's like, I
48:41
want this horrible thing off screen.
48:46
So part of the Chucky franchise. This is a.
48:55
This is a 5. OK.
48:59
I want to rate it more because it's better than that, but I
49:08
don't know how to give just one score because I I, I want to
49:11
make my complaint known. I like this movie better without
49:16
it being part of the franchise. We are rating movies of
49:20
franchises like the way that I enjoyed the Australian Bond film
49:25
because hey, it's not quite like the other Bonds and hey, he gets
49:30
happy for a minute. Let's stop it right there before
49:33
she dies. This one, change the names.
49:37
And this is an excellent movie. I enjoy it.
49:43
So it's not 5. It's not 5.
49:48
It's I'm going to go with 6 1/2 because it is on par with Bride
50:03
of Chucky in terms of enjoyability.
50:06
I bring it back down to six, six because I just can't.
50:14
I just can't get over the fact that I dislike it more when I
50:17
think, oh this is supposed to be a reboot of Chucky and like,
50:20
well, Chucky did its own thing and it was awesome.
50:24
This is awesome without having to be Chucky.
50:27
I feel like it takes away from it to keep it under the umbrella
50:31
like I I. I get what you're saying.
50:35
Yeah. Like by making it in the
50:37
franchise, they heard it, yes. If it had been called like Tommy
50:42
or just like. Megan.
50:45
Yeah, it's been called Megan. Something different.
50:50
The tension is there, the horror is there like you have good
50:54
actors and like nothing relies on Chucky, whose shirt you can
51:00
get at hot topic. You can't get a buddy shirt a
51:04
top hot topic. Yeah hot topic.
51:07
This is this is a different doll and the reboot.
51:15
I I wouldn't say it wasted time, but it I think I'd whoever had
51:24
charge of making the story probably should have just made a
51:27
different movie with that story, because it doesn't have to be
51:31
Chucky and I like for as much as they cuts people, I don't think
51:38
it, I don't think it would have been too bad copyright wise to
51:46
have another AI powered dog because hey, that's not it's not
51:49
voodoo. It's not a serial killer.
51:52
Mm hmm. Your your rating.
51:55
Go ahead. Well, I so it's so funny.
52:01
I don't remember. It's been a long time since I've
52:04
listened to those episodes, but when we were doing Conan, I
52:07
vaguely remember feeling like the reboot might have been
52:12
better if it had not been called Conan.
52:15
Like if they had just made it some fantasy movie starring
52:20
Aquaman and maybe like, I don't remember.
52:24
I genuinely don't remember. It's been that long since I've
52:28
listened to those episodes. But I completely disagree with
52:34
you, and I think it's wonderful that this is called Chucky.
52:40
OK. I think that they made like a
52:45
real shot at doing something different.
52:50
Like they've said, here's the imagery that you know and love.
52:54
This is the stuff that that you think you are prepared for, but
52:59
it's not going to be what you think you are prepared for.
53:02
We are doing something different.
53:05
It's The Beatles when they did any of their psychedelic stuff,
53:11
like you might think you know what you're getting, but it's
53:15
not going to be that. Like it's, it's going to be
53:18
different. And like I said, I came in with
53:23
kind of a low view and then I was distracted by the stars.
53:29
And then the movie won me over in a big way.
53:33
And then it got to the end and it stunk in a big way.
53:39
And so despite having like a totally different feeling than
53:44
you did, I'm also at a six. I'm like, it's not the best.
53:51
There's not a lot that's great about it, but there's just
53:55
enough where I'm like, I had a lot of fun watching this movie.
53:58
It is above average, but it's not anywhere close to the other
54:06
movies in the franchise that really got me revved up.
54:09
And those ones topped out at a 7.
54:12
Like those ones still had things that were really kind of
54:18
distracting in their stinkiness. And this one had two big stinky
54:25
points for me, the very beginning and the very end.
54:29
And yet I still had so much fun with it.
54:32
And I'm, I do appreciate that they took a risk that they were
54:35
like, it's not the child's play, you know?
54:38
And I, I wonder if I could forgive other franchises doing
54:43
that. What if we had a double O 7
54:47
where Bond is not a secret agent.
54:52
Maybe he's a criminal. Maybe he's double O 7 in an
54:56
agency. Like I almost said, Hydra.
55:00
What? What on earth is Spectre?
55:02
That's what it was in Bonn or Star Wars.
55:06
The thing that, you know, the franchise that was most
55:09
important to me as a kid. What if that had a reboot that
55:14
was just totally different but still had all the same names?
55:18
Yeah, everything being so similar, still lightsabers,
55:23
still the force, but none of it is what I'm expecting to see.
55:28
Could I embrace that? And I, yeah, like I hope I could
55:33
because of Child's Play 2019. But then I'm thinking about it
55:37
and I'm like, oh, I don't know if I could.
55:39
This might be a one off where I I was just surprised at how good
55:44
it ended up being, but I might not be able to accept that from
55:47
most franchises. You know, yeah, I think that is
55:52
fair. It's hilarious that it's we're
55:54
both sixes and I dislike that it's connected and you enjoy
56:00
that it's connected. Yeah, it's we got to the same
56:03
score. We just, you know, got there
56:05
from different streets, but that makes an easy show average of a
56:11
six out of 10. And then next week on on our in
56:17
house spreadsheet, I still have the the numbers blanked out so
56:23
we can't see what our ratings are.
56:26
But next week we are going to talk about the franchise as a
56:30
whole. We might talk a little bit about
56:34
the TV show, but neither of us have watched it.
56:37
So there's not a lot that we can add not.
56:40
Much that I know of it. Yeah.
56:43
And then of course, we are going to be revealing our next
56:46
franchise next week. Well, it's it's oh, I mean for
56:51
the wrap up, we'll we'll we'll say more, but it's enjoyable to
56:54
get to the end of the actual last movie.
56:58
And I do miss the previous Chucky because this one was kind
57:05
of just the one, the one timer. But no shame in getting a six
57:11
out of 10 above average. Above the average, Yep.
57:16
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