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The Ron Verb Show - 5pm Hour Wednesday, 08/05/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: Now, Ron Verb on News Radio 570 WKBN. IDO 506
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  Speaker 1: here on a Wednesday afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: August 5th, and it's 81 degrees, and you're on the air.
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  Speaker 3: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Ron?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I've been waiting for. Do you
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  Speaker 2: have a report for me? Do you have a report
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  Speaker 2: for the class?
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  Speaker 4: I have a very... Yes, I have a report. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, last time you sent me out on a
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  Speaker 4: cub reporting mission, you know I got my arse kicked
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  Speaker 4: for like a month straight.
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  Speaker 2: So..
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  Speaker 4: People be gentle.
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  Speaker 2: I told you to be sensitive.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like a little sensitive lamb.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't want.
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  Speaker 2: I understand. But I sent you on. You're like an
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  Speaker 2: undercover reporter. You're supposed to be undercover. I mean, I know.
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  Speaker 4: And that's struggling. I don't know that I'm undercover anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I deputized you as a cub reporter for the
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  Speaker 2: program to go on out and to cover these events.
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  Speaker 2: You're kind of like, you know, the roving reporter for
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  Speaker 2: 570 WKBN's run for program. So you went. Now explain
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  Speaker 2: where you went last night. Give me your report. I
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  Speaker 2: did not go.
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  Speaker 4: What I did was is I watched for my nightly
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  Speaker 4: entertainment the Poland Township Emergency Trustee Meeting. Where they were
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  Speaker 4: going to discuss about putting on a levy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Now, right away, what's super interesting about this is that
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  Speaker 4: the chief financial officer or the fiscal officer said, guys,
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  Speaker 4: I told you two weeks ago, if you were thinking
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  Speaker 4: about putting on a levy, we're not doing it today
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  Speaker 4: because you're late. And I told you this. So that
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  Speaker 4: was really eye-opening right away because, yeah, that meeting yesterday, they.
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  Speaker 5: Couldn't have gotten a levy on whether they wanted.
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  Speaker 4: To, which Denise was absolutely accurate about. I think she
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  Speaker 4: mentioned that last week. I don't know if they're even
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  Speaker 4: going to be able to get on one, but obviously
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  Speaker 4: they weren't listening.
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  Speaker 2: So they missed the deadline.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they missed the deadline. So in a nutshell, during
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  Speaker 4: that meeting, it was very contentious. Um, PJ Cantor, the
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  Speaker 4: fiscal officer, he went through, he covered the numbers. I
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  Speaker 4: thought he did a beautiful job. I was keeping at
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  Speaker 4: pace with him the entire time he was talking, but
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  Speaker 4: I do have a financial acumen. Not everybody does. So
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  Speaker 4: I would be interested to see like, well, actually, no,
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  Speaker 4: I did talk to several people and they were able
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  Speaker 4: to keep up and understand everything that he was saying.
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  Speaker 4: And they didn't necessarily work in business operations or have
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  Speaker 4: to do budgets or projections and they were able to
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  Speaker 4: understand it. So I thought he did a really good job.
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  Speaker 4: So he basically laid it out again, and there was
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  Speaker 4: contention there. You could see that on Garrow, they kind
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  Speaker 4: of jabbed him again and said, so it's not $ 1, 500 anymore,
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  Speaker 4: because PJ, there were some adjustments made. The money still
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  Speaker 4: hasn't come in from the property taxes. Ungaro kind of
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  Speaker 4: like nabbed at PJ a little bit. And PJ, I
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  Speaker 4: was impressed. I think he got a little tougher. And
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  Speaker 4: he was like, hold on a minute. No, we still
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  Speaker 4: have a problem here. Yeah, just because we have $ 100, 000
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  Speaker 4: does not mean we don't have a big problem. We
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  Speaker 4: do have a big problem. Now, the reason why they
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  Speaker 4: have a big problem is because of decisions that they've made.
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  Speaker 4: So let's just be clear on that. It's decisions that
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  Speaker 4: they made that caused the problem, but there is a problem.
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  Speaker 4: And it's about a $ 750, 000 problem that's going to realize
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  Speaker 4: at the end of this year. From now until then,
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  Speaker 4: they have a gap because the property tax monies are
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  Speaker 4: laid everywhere. They don't know when they're going to get
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  Speaker 4: that money in the door. So at this point, where
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  Speaker 4: it sits is they, PJ again said, we're going to
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  Speaker 4: have to make, and it was like all this back
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  Speaker 4: and forth. Do we need to make cuts? Are we
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  Speaker 4: going to make cuts? That's all tabled. They're going to
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  Speaker 4: meet again, apparently. People need to understand, every day that
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  Speaker 4: they wait to make a decision, and I do believe
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  Speaker 4: and I do agree that they should be very thoughtful.
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  Speaker 4: They should make sure that it's the right decision. They
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  Speaker 4: should have all the decks, everything laid out for them
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  Speaker 4: to make that decision. But every day, every week, every
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  Speaker 4: month that you wait, you're creating more of a problem
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  Speaker 4: because your costs haven't changed. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, totally, right?
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, at this point, it looks like $ 750, 000
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  Speaker 4: is the number. So that's not three mil. Let's get
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  Speaker 4: that straight. One mil is $ 500, 000, according to PJ three
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  Speaker 4: or four meetings ago. I caught that he said that.
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  Speaker 4: So one mil is $ 500, 000. So if they're $ 750, 000 short,
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  Speaker 4: it'd be about a mil and a half, not three mil.
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  Speaker 4: Ongaro continues to believe that we don't have any issues
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  Speaker 4: and that this township has been run fantastically well and
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't change a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Now pause for a second. What's your reaction to that?
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  Speaker 4: He's absolutely dead wrong. Real quick, I will digress for
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  Speaker 4: one second because Alec made up some great points. These
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  Speaker 4: guys all need to get with the new technology that's
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  Speaker 4: out there. Because if you're going to become a trustee,
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  Speaker 4: And this is a dig on everybody in every county.
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  Speaker 4: It's a dig on every person running for every.
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  Speaker 5: Office that if you do not know business, you.
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  Speaker 4: Do not have a financial acumen, and you're responsible for
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  Speaker 4: budgets or taxpayer dollars, you better start to learn. And
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  Speaker 4: there's this little thing out there called AI.
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  Speaker 5: I use it every day.
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  Speaker 4: I actually have my own agents that work for me
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  Speaker 4: that are AI. I mean, I created my own bots, right,
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  Speaker 4: that do jobs for me. So it's very easy to use,
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  Speaker 4: but like Alex said, you got to get used to it.
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  Speaker 4: So these guys could be learning from it and setting
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  Speaker 4: up reminders, make sure to cover the budget. Hey, if
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  Speaker 4: we do this, what's going to be the impact? They
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  Speaker 4: can start building scenarios within their AI tool and actually
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  Speaker 4: send themselves reminders Your AI tool is like your personal assistant.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm going to digress for one second because I
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  Speaker 4: think this is important. And Alec and your last caller
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  Speaker 4: had a very good lot of information, but I'm a
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  Speaker 4: trainer by, I train thousands of people too. So I
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  Speaker 4: think sometimes it's easier to like have it broken down easily.
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  Speaker 5: In your chat, if you have a chat.
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  Speaker 4: Tool and you have chat GPT, co-pilot, whatever one you're using, GROK,
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  Speaker 4: there's all sorts of them. You can start to set up,
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  Speaker 4: like for example, I have five strategic initiatives at work
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  Speaker 4: right now. I also have an initiative that I'm working
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  Speaker 4: on that's called abolishing property taxes. When I'm in my
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  Speaker 4: chat GPT tool, I say this. This is a work initiative.
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  Speaker 4: Commit it to memory.
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  Speaker 5: Here are my.
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  Speaker 4: Five strategic goals for the year. I'm going to lower costs.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to create a new, I'm going to develop
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  Speaker 4: a blah, blah, blah, right? Make sure you remember that.
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  Speaker 4: I have a task now running that says on every Monday,
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  Speaker 4: remind me to update the status of my progress on
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  Speaker 4: strategic initiative priority number one. Okay, give me the outputs
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  Speaker 4: of everything that we talked about this week for an
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  Speaker 4: executive review. Create a spreadsheet for me based on everything
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  Speaker 4: that we talked about this and tell me, based on
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  Speaker 4: my current progress, when will I achieve my target? It's amazing,
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  Speaker 4: but you have to play with it. It's easy. These
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  Speaker 4: are easy things. You can say, create a second project
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  Speaker 4: called home. My second project is a home bot. So
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  Speaker 4: now it's almost like my personal assistant. I have a
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  Speaker 4: hair appointment on Tuesday at 5.30. Make sure you remind
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  Speaker 4: me on Monday at 5 p.m. On Monday, I will
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  Speaker 4: get a reminder.
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  Speaker 5: Don't forget your hair appointment tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Personal, make sure your son has this, this, and this
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  Speaker 4: before he goes back to college, which is on this day.
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  Speaker 4: Set a reminder. Here's this season's wrestling schedule. Please remind
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  Speaker 4: me two days prior where.
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  Speaker 5: We're going and where's the best location to get a hotel.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so these people running the townships, if you're
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  Speaker 4: not particularly smart in things like this, I did one
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  Speaker 4: just playing around while Alex was on the phone. I said,
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  Speaker 4: every Monday, send me the newest... grants that Poland Township
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  Speaker 4: would be eligible for based on their current status.
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  Speaker 5: Send it to me every Monday.
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  Speaker 4: So, listen, I'm going to go and delete it, okay?
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  Speaker 4: But every Monday, if there's something applicable, it will send
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  Speaker 4: to me. It'll spoon-feed it to me. Now, you want
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  Speaker 4: to talk about amazings. This is what it is. It
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  Speaker 4: is a personal assistant. It's a personal assistant for your home.
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  Speaker 4: It's a personal assistant for your work. It's a personal
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  Speaker 4: assistant for any things that you're doing.
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  Speaker 5: That are outside of work.
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  Speaker 4: You want to schedule things. You've got appointments. You've got
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  Speaker 4: a calendar, side jobs, whatever it is that you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Update me on what else I need to order. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm out of tomatoes. Remind me on Friday. Hey, got
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  Speaker 4: to pick up shredded cheddar. Please make sure you add
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  Speaker 4: that to my list. This is what this tool does.
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  Speaker 5: So yes, you will be sadly left behind.
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  Speaker 4: Now, let's go back. Any thoughts on that? I'll pause
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  Speaker 4: there for real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. As you pause there, I'm going back to Sam Garrow.
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  Speaker 2: How can he think there isn't a problem when they're
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  Speaker 2: going to run out of money and they're laying people off?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, they haven't decided on laying people off yet.
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  Speaker 5: Because they voted on the budget.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I thought we're getting rid of the
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  Speaker 2: summer help or whatever. They were discussing that in one
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  Speaker 2: of these meetings. I go back to say this. So basically,
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  Speaker 2: the financial... Let me just cut to the chase here.
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  Speaker 2: Answer a few questions for me. Is Poland Township in
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  Speaker 2: a financial crisis right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, based on the budget that they have laid out.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Do you then were decisions made by Ungaro and
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  Speaker 2: the trustees without consideration for whether or not they could afford.
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  Speaker 4: To do it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So just to just to just follow along here. So
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  Speaker 2: your answer to both those questions is yes. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You answered it. Yes, they're in a financial crisis. And
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  Speaker 2: I asked you whether or not the trustees made financial
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  Speaker 2: decisions without giving considerations to the budget as a whole
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  Speaker 2: and what impact that would have on a total budget.
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  Speaker 2: And did you answer that question? Yes, as well.
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  Speaker 5: I did. All right, and so— Now you want to
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  Speaker 5: ask me what I would do?
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  Speaker 4: Because I could solve the budget.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not going to ask you what you're
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  Speaker 2: going to do. So do you find it odd that
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  Speaker 2: Ungaro would say what he said, that he didn't think
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  Speaker 2: there was a problem? Am I— what were the words?
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  Speaker 4: I find it more than odd. I find it disturbing
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  Speaker 4: because it was almost like a tiff. Like there's an
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  Speaker 4: internal tiff, and he feels jaded— And that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he went out and kept spouting out that there was
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  Speaker 4: no issue. There was no issue. He does not want
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  Speaker 4: it to seem like he was sleeping at the wheel.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: But with him saying that, based on the research that
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  Speaker 2: you have done, we know what you said his statement was.
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  Speaker 2: Based on the research you have done, do you think
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  Speaker 2: his statement is an accurate statement or a misleading statement?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's extremely misleading. It's extremely misleading because unless
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  Speaker 4: he takes action, and there's many actions.
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  Speaker 5: And avenues that could dig them out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but there's a couple.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not what they planned for. And they spent
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  Speaker 4: so much money that it's going to be a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Just bear with me. So would you agree
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  Speaker 2: that the trustees share a lot of blame for the
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  Speaker 2: fiscal situation that Poland Township is in at the present time?
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  Speaker 4: What was your answer?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 2,000%.
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  Speaker 4: 2,000%.
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  Speaker 2: Would you also agree that Poland Township has a serious
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  Speaker 2: issue as far as its police department is concerned because
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  Speaker 2: they weren't even on top of the game enough to
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  Speaker 2: know what the deadline was to put a levy on
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  Speaker 2: for the police department? Would you agree with that statement?
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  Speaker 1: Um..
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  Speaker 4: I would agree somewhat. I would agree that, well, first
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  Speaker 4: of all, if you don't make payroll, you're in a
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  Speaker 4: disastrous situation.
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  Speaker 2: But I just want to focus back on a question
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  Speaker 2: that I asked you, and that question was a simple question.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that there's some degree of incompetence when
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  Speaker 2: you know that you have a serious financial issue affecting
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  Speaker 2: your police departments and you weren't even able to put
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  Speaker 2: a levy, whatever that amount would be, on the ballot
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  Speaker 2: in a timely fashion because you missed the deadline? Would
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  Speaker 2: you agree that that is somewhat incompetent?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's incompetence. But, now, tell me when I can
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  Speaker 5: say but.
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  Speaker 2: Well, your answer to that question would be yes, without
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  Speaker 2: the but, correct? Yes, yes. Based on the finances that
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  Speaker 2: you see, I'm not asking you what you think the
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  Speaker 2: millage should be on a police levy. I'm not asking
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  Speaker 2: you that. I'm just saying based on what you see...
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, from your knowledge, that additional funds are
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  Speaker 2: needed for the police department in Poland Township?
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  Speaker 4: If they aren't going to make budget changes, they will
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  Speaker 4: be three-quarters of a million short and will need a levy.
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  Speaker 2: What budget changes?
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  Speaker 4: If they make budget changes, which there are a lot
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  Speaker 4: that I would make, and honestly I feel like I
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  Speaker 4: would close that gap with about four or five simple moves.
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  Speaker 5: It would close that gap, not.
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  Speaker 4: Require a budget, and the community would be just as
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  Speaker 4: safe as it is today as it was 10 years
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  Speaker 4: ago as it was last year.
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  Speaker 2: What would those budget changes be?
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  Speaker 4: Number one, I would move the administrator back to part-time.
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  Speaker 4: We have a full-time administrator suddenly that popped in, and
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  Speaker 4: we don't need a full-time administrator. We never had one before.
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  Speaker 4: They expanded there.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what his salary is?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like $ 60, 000, $ 70, 000, but he's fully loaded with
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  Speaker 4: free health care.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot going on.
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  Speaker 4: If you bump him into part-time, you don't pay the
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  Speaker 4: health care.
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  Speaker 2: All right, hold that thought. Hold that thought. Hold that thought.
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  Speaker 2: I'll come back to you in a minute. Ron Furb
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  Speaker 2: from the Kingdom of Mahoney with the Boss Lady News
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  Speaker 2: Radio 570 WKN. Looking to 70, WKBN. All right. Boss Lady,
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  Speaker 2: are you there? Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So in 2016, it was full and safe. I just
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  Speaker 2: want to go back and just cover this. So you
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  Speaker 2: don't think you need a full-time administrator at $ 60, 000 or
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  Speaker 2: $ 70, 000 with benefits. What else would you change?
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  Speaker 4: I would change. There's a couple additional positions that are
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  Speaker 4: kind of redundant. I think one needs removed. That's probably
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  Speaker 4: another $ 60, 000 plus benefits all in. So you're now at $ 160, 000,
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  Speaker 4: $ 70, 000 fully loaded. So take $ 750, 000 minus... that, you're at, what, 5, 6, 5, 6,
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  Speaker 4: what did I say, 160 off of 750.
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  Speaker 5: I think those numbers might be high.
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  Speaker 4: If you're 60,000 pay, let's just say even with retirement, 30,000,
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  Speaker 4: I think you'd be closer to 90 at 100 at
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  Speaker 4: the most, in my opinion. So if you take two,
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  Speaker 4: you'd be at 200,000.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we got 200,000 there.
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  Speaker 4: I would, in 2016, Poland operated.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't have all day. What were the other
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  Speaker 2: four changes? You said there were four?
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  Speaker 4: I would eliminate four officers. And I would treat the
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  Speaker 4: remaining ones very well. I would, they all got raises.
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  Speaker 4: They're getting 5% every single year. This year started the
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  Speaker 4: first five. They get five next year. They get five
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  Speaker 4: the following year. We are up from 2016.
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  Speaker 5: We are up and we've.
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  Speaker 4: Increased by six officers.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And our township is just as safe as it was
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  Speaker 4: in 2016. In 2016, I would say our township was
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  Speaker 4: one of the safest in the country. It still is
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  Speaker 4: one of the safest in the country. We added staff
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  Speaker 4: that we didn't need, and I would shift their hoops around.
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  Speaker 4: We also added a bunch of patrolmen that only want
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  Speaker 4: to work day shift. that we are so overstacked on
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  Speaker 4: day shift, and everybody in this community knows they're in.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing happened in Poland during the day that you need
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  Speaker 4: to answer this many people. You don't have to have
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  Speaker 4: this many people scheduled. I think you've got a hoops issue.
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  Speaker 2: What's that? Do you know roughly, and I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you know, how many officers, counting the chief, are
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  Speaker 2: on the police department?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 4: So right now, one chief, three sergeants, 13 patrol officers,
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  Speaker 4: two canines, and one secretary.
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  Speaker 2: Well, forget the secretary. What's the other number is add
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  Speaker 2: up to 18. All right. So if you have 18, you,
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  Speaker 2: you got the chief and of course they don't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they just sit around and, and you have 17 officers
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  Speaker 2: and you're saying it's really, do you think that you
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  Speaker 2: can function with one on a shift or two on
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: a shift? What do you think is ideal?
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: You're going to need some. Yeah, I don't know because
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I've got to look at what's the call to shift ratio.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: We've got to look at the call to ratio, but
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you what.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: They did it in 2016 with one sergeant, one chief,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: two sergeants, and eight patrol officers.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: So if you did it then and we were safe,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: then we could do it now. So whatever the reason is.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: In other words, you think that some cuts should be
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: made as far as how many officers, full-time officers, are
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you assuming they're full-time, not part-time?
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm talking FTE.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: So I'm looking.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: At full-time equivalent. I would also make them turn in
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: receipts rather than bills, save $ 100, 000 as PJ projected right there,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: another $ 100, 000. I think with those moves there, plus this
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: police chief that lives in Boardman, that takes his car
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: home to Boardman every night, that I guarantee, and if
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I have to do a FOIA request, I will. How
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: many times?
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: As he needed to.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Leave his home in Boardman to come to an incident
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: in Poland where he responded, not the patrolman on duty,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: where he got out of bed, put his shoes on,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: got in his Poland paid car. That car should go
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: back to the fleet and somebody, one of these patrolmen
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: should be driving it. And you could then dump the
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: new car that you just bought. Well, there's a lot
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: of basic, simple changes you could make. If they don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: do any of them, they're three-quarters of a million short.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: If they do what is common sense, because I don't
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: think that that impacts the Poland community whatsoever. Everything that
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I named is common sense. Everything that I said was
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: when Poland was completely safe and rated and voted one
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: of the best places to live in the state and
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: in the country. So tell me where I'm wrong. And
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I would make them participate in their health care plan. One,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: it keeps them honest. You don't go to the doctor.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: You don't call off and need to get a doctor's
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: excuse if you've got to put the money up front.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: It just doesn't happen. It saves the taxpayers money because
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: you're not going to fake. You're not going to do
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: all these things, right?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: All right. Stand by.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Stand by.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I'll wrap it up. Get to the bottom of things
• 20:40
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• 20:45
  Speaker 6: An attorney for the mother at the center of a
• 20:47
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• 20:50
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• 20:54
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• 20:57
  Speaker 6: children who were found abused and neglected inside a Hamden
• 21:00
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• 21:03
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• 21:07
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• 21:11
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• 21:13
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• 21:15
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• 21:19
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• 21:22
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• 21:26
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• 21:28
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• 21:31
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• 21:53
  Speaker 6: I'm now..
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Sit down.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: So here's the breakdown of an officer.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: So let's say they're $ 60, 000.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: $ 11, 000 to $ 13, 000 is going into their pension.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: $ 20, 000.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: To $ 28, 000 is their total township paid medical insurance, roughly.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: So they're about $ 95, 000 to $ 100, 000 all in is the cost. Right.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: So if four of them can be done and you
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: would still have more than you did, you know, 10 years.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Ago, I mean, so I mean, so my question right there,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I would just ask you this question just based on
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: your knowledge. And I think you're very knowledgeable, knowing that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: knowing that a police department is obviously open seven days
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a week around the clock. And that requires a number
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of personnel. I mean, it depends how many you want
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: on a shift, whether you want one at times one
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: or two. And it depends how many you want on
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a shift and to make sure that you have people
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: that are there so that you can have sick days
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: or vacation days and those shifts will be covered. So
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: do you feel that if you made those cuts, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: would have adequate staffing to do that?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you could. I think you could, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I think you could with not very much overtime. I mean,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: you could run a workforce management model that would say, yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: two officers on duty around the clock are about, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: 17,000 probably patrol hours.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, so, but if you have two, four... Six
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: on duty. That would be six a day. And then
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: you have weekends, you know, you have to cover weekends
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and then you have to cover sick days and vacation days.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: You could figure out the number.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: To a shift every day. And you'd have a little
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: bit of flex in there. Where maybe one day, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: maybe it's your slowest day for calls, I'm sure they
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: have all the data, you'd maybe have one on that day.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: But you'd have some movement in there.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Right. So if you made the cuts that you're saying
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that you feel you can make, then do you think
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: additional money would be needed?
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: No, I think I could hit the 750 number and
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: nobody in the township would know the difference that I
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: did it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Now, again, you may.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Need something later, because later you're going to have a
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: little bit of inflation, and that would get you tight, right?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: So I'm thinking..
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have to have money available to fix
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the cars and replace the cars and do repairs and things.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Would you not agree with that?
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, but this doesn't account for the stupid
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: McKinley donation that they did, the pad that they created here.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of other— I didn't touch all the other
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: craziness that happened in the year. Those things could be—
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Pushed to, yeah, we need this extra money for emergencies
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: here and emergencies there. I mean, this is just a
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: very high level. There's fat. There's fat. And listen, it's
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: not just Poland. I got news for everybody. It's everywhere.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: And it's not just the police department. It's everywhere. Here's
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: what people don't understand. It sounds great, and I sound
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: like a hero when I want to bring on four
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: new officers.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: All right, now just hang on. Hang on. I'm trying
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to cut through all the.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Babble.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: No offense. Here's my conclusion. Are you ready?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Give it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Are you sure?
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: You think you can take it?
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, I know I can take it. Doesn't mean I
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: changed my mind, but I can take it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: All right. Based on the questions I asked you and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: based on the responses that you gave, I think that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: you're probably more competent than the people that are sitting
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: there making the decisions.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, I know.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. And in all seriousness, I think you're certainly smarter
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: than those people that are your current trustees in Poland.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt in my mind that you have a...
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a good business. You have an excellent business understanding. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I was, I was impressed with how you answered the questions.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You didn't avoid the questions you did. You weren't evasive.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: You didn't avoid them. You answered them. Yes or no. And, uh,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you didn't try to cover your tracks. You said, here's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: what I would do. And I think that we, we
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: would be just fine. And I think that, uh, as,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: as you were talking, I thought, uh, I thought, boy,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: too bad you're not a trustee in Poland Township because
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I think you're just really smart at this stuff. And unfortunately,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in many cases, people get elected and they're not very
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: bright at it. I've interviewed politicians. Well, I don't interview
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of them with the exception of Dave Thomas.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I think he's outstanding. But many of them just are
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: not impressive at all. I mean, dare I say... Would
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you not agree with me that some of these people
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that are in these political offices aren't very bright?
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I would absolutely agree with that. And I would say
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the problem is they double down when they make a
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: mistake and they don't own it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: They need to own it and they need to face
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: into it. It won't happen again. I'm going to manage
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: this tighter. I'm going to seek advice when I don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: know something.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: All right. And you would be honest enough with me,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I trust, to also acknowledge. I mean, I listened to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: what you had to say, and I think that you
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: made a great argument, and I would agree with your argument.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But you would agree with me that there are cases,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and this isn't one of them, but there are cases
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: when you can't cut your way out of a problem.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I absolutely agree.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: A thousand percent.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: A thousand percent.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I just want to emphasize that the idea that you
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: can always cut your way out of a problem isn't
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: always the answer. Sometimes the answer is, no, we can't
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: cut anymore, and we do need additional revenue. That is
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: not the case. That is not the case here.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Agreed. And I would also say that there are times
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: where you can't spend your way out of a problem.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: And I can give you many examples where that exists.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: You cannot spend, and there are many that you cannot cut.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I would agree with that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: You've got to be smart enough to know when. Like
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Youngstown City Schools, we can't spend our way out of
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: the problem that those kids are not coming out educated.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: We have dumped from $ 14, 000 a student to $ 17, 000 to $ 22, 000.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: You can give them $ 100, 000 a student, you're going to
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: get the same outcome. Throwing money at every problem doesn't
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: provide a solution. But you need smart people who can
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: figure that out.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: My conclusion is, to all of this, is just for
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: our listening public, is that this is a shining example
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: of somebody that calls in that I sit back and
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: it isn't a... I'm not prosecuting her or anything like that,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: but she answered the questions yes or no. She talked
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: about what would you do to remedy this situation and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: had an answer that wouldn't affect services. The only thing
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I might disagree with her on, the only one thing
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I might disagree with her on, is your township administrator
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: should probably be full-time with benefits because somebody needs to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: be there to run the operation on a day-to-day basis.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And it's easiest to have somebody that's there committed on
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a full-time basis. Outside of that, I would agree with
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: everything that you said. And I think that you showed
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: to the listening public how you have a background in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: running operations and problem-solving and dealing with finances, which puts
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you far and above the average person sitting as trustees
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: making these type of decisions. So I just leave you
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: with that, and I commend you, my cub reporter.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Sorry. Now, let's see who hated my cub reporting, because
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: you know, Ron, I get my R-speed on these little
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: cub reporting cells.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Well, hey, Ron sent me.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Ron, you know, can't be mad at me. I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I'm just doing my job.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: That's correct. That is correct. But you did excellent analysis.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And I just think it shows people that you have
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a background in business and in running operations, where many
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: of these people have zero background in that, and they're
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: unable to make decisions as you have made. And I
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: commend you for it. And I leave you with that, okay?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: All right, Ron.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: We'll talk.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: All right, bye. Pretty smart, huh? See, that's what you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: really want to look for. I mean, it's what you
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: want as a commissioner right there. You want as a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: trustee right there. I use that as an example. Because
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: when you're done listening to her, you say, well, that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: is a person who probably should be in one of
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: these positions. As I said to you before, I would
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: vote for her for commissioner. I would vote for her
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: for trustee because of her background, her knowledge, and her
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: ability to look at that in a brief period of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: time and come up with some suggestions and also agree
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: that there are times you cannot cut yourself out of
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: an issue, out of a problem, and it takes additional
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: revenue because there is inflation. You're on the air.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I just want to make a couple points
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: about last night's meeting. The fiscal officer said that Thursday,
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: this week, he's meeting with the state auditor, not the
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: county auditor, the state auditor. And he said he's certain
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: that he's going to put them into fiscal caution. So
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know what cuts. They'll probably have to submit
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: a plan to him. This has to happen quick. I mean,
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: they might not be able to make payroll in August.
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: And it doesn't look like the property tax money from
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: where I'm sitting is going to be available to them until,
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: I would think, September. Because once they send out those bills, okay,
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: the treasurer's office, they give you like three weeks to pay.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: So then that comes in. Then you've got to turn around, right,
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: and distribute the funds. I mean, I'm thinking September. It's
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: already August 5th. And I don't think the bills went
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: out yet. So that compounds their problem, the timing of
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: all this property tax stuff going on. It's a very
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: bad situation, and I hope they look at people contributing
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: to their own health care because if it's gone up 15% recently,
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: it's only going to continue to go up, and so
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: you're just going to keep eating away at your money
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: with your benefits. I mean, that's something they really need
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: to look at. You know, why should the taxpayer be
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: funding them 100%? That doesn't make any sense. And I
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: agree with the city administrator has to go to part-time
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: because that's what it always was before. This is a
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: very small township. You know, it's like between 14,000 and
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: 15,000 people live here. So I don't see why you
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: need a full-time person. And as far as the chief
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: of police, I mean, he could get in a car
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: and he could take a shift during the day. I mean,
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: all hands on deck when you're in a financial emergency.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: So that's what's going on. The fiscal officer is very mild-mannered.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: He's a numbers guy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: He's just– Well, that's what you want. That's exactly what
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Well, it is.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: But the thing is, is when he says things, nobody
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: listens to him, I think, because of his personality.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Well, no.
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: They just don't pay attention.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Well, it's obvious they didn't listen because look at the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: mess they're in. But do they want to take accountability
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: for it? It doesn't sound like it. No.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: No.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You know, that's right. And let's be realistic. As Truman said,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the buck stops there because I don't give a crap
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: about any of the bull crap you want to say.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You're the trustee. The buck stops with you. You're at
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the top of the pyramid. And if you made these
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: unwise decisions and you did this without any future, any
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: insider planning, then you are to blame.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the Tahoe they bought last, I think
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: it was in June, they had said at the other
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: meeting that it was $ 75, 000. But last night they corrected
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: it and said it would actually cost them $ 53, 000. So
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: that is a little correction that I wanted to make
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: sure I said because they kind of said different things
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: at different meetings. So I don't know if they're going
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: to keep that or what they're going to do. But, yeah,
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: I think it's all hands on deck when you're in
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: this kind of financial situation.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Did you agree with most of what the boss lady
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: had to say about it?
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did. Would you sit back and say to yourself,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: there's somebody that should be in a position of trustee
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: or commissioner?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think, yeah, sure.
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Trustee, I think that's a good place to start. I mean,
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: you know, that's definitely going to have an impact, right?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I said, you know, I don't want to embarrass her.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I said because she's smart. I mean, I'm tired of...
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: of just people who have no financial savvy or no
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: understanding in positions, and they usually do nothing, and they
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: don't operate in a taxpayer's best interest or efficiency's best interest.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: It is not an endless pit of money. We are
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: at a breaking point with tax dollars and with property taxes,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: and things could change rapidly here. But we are at
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a breaking point, and we're there because of so many
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: idiots that make these decisions who think it's an endless
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: pot of money that they can take from you. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sick and tired of it.
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  Speaker 7: Look what just happened. I mean, you know, now we
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: have this little blip because all of a sudden you're
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: not getting your money as you usually would, which is usually–
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  Speaker 7: End of July.
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  Speaker 2: You got it.
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  Speaker 7: Now it might be four or five weeks later. So
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: they're really in a bad shape, I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for your call, and thanks for all you do.
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  Speaker 2: I really mean it. You're on the air.
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  Speaker 4: Ronald.
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  Speaker 2: Ted the Conservative.
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  Speaker 3: I had to call in after listening to your last
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  Speaker 3: two calls.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Because I think the tip of the cap to her
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  Speaker 3: for what she does.
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  Speaker 2: I think all she does is so admirable. I mean,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the amount of hours of her free time that she
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: has dedicated to gathering these signatures. And this area shines
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: more than any other area because of her. She is
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: truly one of a kind.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Imagine living your life like you and I do. We
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: live our normal life. We do everything we do. We
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: know what consumes our time in the day. And then
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: put everything she does on top of that.
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  Speaker 6: Like, you know.
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  Speaker 3: That woman needs to be recognized for her efforts.
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  Speaker 2: That is correct.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: And then the boss lady, I want to give the
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: boss lady an eye, Captain. You should have rang the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: bell or something for her. You should have did something
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: special after that phone call. She's spot on. You know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: you could disagree. You could have different political opinions. You
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: could disagree on issues. But you can't argue facts. Right.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: She comes well-prepared. She's not a dumb woman. She's a
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: very intelligent woman, knows what she's talking about. And, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: if she was a Poland Township trustee, we wouldn't be
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: reading about the things we're reading about right now because
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: she would have solved the problem.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Six months ago. I believe that to be true, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I believe the problem would have been looked at. You
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have been in this scenario before. Not six months ago.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think you would have been in this scenario.
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  Speaker 2: At all. Maybe you should tell.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: The boss lady to run for township trustee.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: You can tell she has a business background. She's a
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: smart woman. She's not a dumb woman. No, she's not.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: She's got a business background. She's very articulate, very intelligent,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and she talks about... I don't want to get into
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: specifics with her business background.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: She knows what she's talking about.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: She's well-informed. Right. But, I mean, in the past she's
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: talked about things, operations that she's been in charge of,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and you can tell.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: She understands how an organization should run.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: You know, the other thing is it's unfortunate to hear
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: what Denise said and even what the boss lady has
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: hinted to in the past about the fiscal officer. It
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: sounds like he knows what he's doing, but no one's
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: paying him any attention. To be honest with you, local
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: government finances are like an elementary education. You start in
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: elementary school, you go to high school, then you go
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: to college. Well, at the lowest level is public finance
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: at a township or city level. Very simple math.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Very simple math.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: You have certain funds that come in that can only
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: be used for certain things. whether it's wastewater, whether it's
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: your public water service.
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  Speaker 2: Stand by, Ted. Stand by for a minute. Ron Ferb
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: from the Kingdom of Mahoning on NewsRadio 570 WKBN at 552.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: If you run a business, be in. Ron Ferb at 555.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Rain in my neck of the woods here, 76 degrees
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: on a Wednesday afternoon. Yes, go ahead with your thoughts.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: The last thing I'll add, to this, because the boss lady,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: she nailed everything. On top of what she said, I
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: would just add this. According to her, if I understood
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: her correctly, and I think I did, she said they've
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: been knowingly deficit spending for quite some time. For some reason,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: they had this chunk of money they were sitting on
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and they were using that to supplement the general fund.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: So they knew this was coming. They knew that a
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: day was coming. That's like driving your car and knowing
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: you need new brakes. Do you wait before your brakes
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: fail and you get in an accident, or do you
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: get the brakes before you have an accident? These guys
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: sat on their hands and did nothing. This train was
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: coming at them for six, seven, eight months this year.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: They knew it was coming, and they didn't do anything.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: That's what's concerning us. that you have to have people
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: like the boss lady do the work that she's doing
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: so the truth can get out there. Because if you
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: listen on Garrow, I still don't understand his position. One
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: time he says everything's fine, then he says there's only
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: a $ 1, 600 deficit to be addressed. So every time he speaks,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: it seems as though he gives a different answer. So
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: maybe he doesn't understand the financial situation. But what the
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: boss lady said, that wasn't very hard to follow, was it?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: No, but she's got a gift of looking at things
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: financially from her business background and explaining them so that
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: you can understand them. And that is a gift. All
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for in any type of political position is
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: somebody that I can respect with know-how, with intelligence. And
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I've said it before, you know, whether that's. I have
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: a world of respect for Dave Thomas. And why? Because
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: he was an auditor that saw the effect of property
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: taxes when he was doing that in Ashtabula County and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: knew the only way he could change it or fix
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: it was to run a state rep. He ran a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: state rep, and guess what? He's doing everything that he
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: can do to fix it. You follow me? He didn't
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: say it. He's following through on it. And he knows it,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and he's smart at it. I think that there are
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: many people, as I've said before, that are smart at
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: these issues that should be in these political offices. But
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I also believe the system, for whatever God only knows reason,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: would try to do everything they could do to try
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: to stop them or derail them because they would be
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: operating in your best interest as far as efficiency and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: tax dollars are concerned. A lot of these people that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: are in these positions are not doing that. And just because,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're just not good at it. And first
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: of all, you have to– she obviously is working for
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: business at a larger level. I get tired of these
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: people saying, well, I'm a businessman. Well, if you're a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: small businessman, you're not a businessman like Sam Covelli's a businessman.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: You follow me? Right, right. I mean there's a big
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: difference between Joe Bagadonis with some small business or whatever
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and Covelli or running an operation like obviously she has done.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: And I think you've got to acknowledge that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: And it's concerning. You know, Poland is what you consider
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: a quote-unquote bedroom community. Very little commercial base, very little
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: to any crime, probably other than domestic. Maybe once in
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: a while they've got a robbery. So why has the
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: police force grown so much? Why have they added so
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: many officers? So she brought a lot of good issues
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: to the surface, and hopefully maybe some of those will
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: get addressed. But I thought she deserved a nod, Captain.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And I agree. Thank you, Ted. Appreciate it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: And you deserve an eye, Ted.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you. The news is coming up next, followed by
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the Guardians on NewsRadio 570 WKBN. Ron Furman, Kingdom of Mourning.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you tuning in, as always. Keep it here on
• 43:11
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