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Bones Found: Philly Serial Killer “Snuff Film” Case · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight. A bone dig? That's right. Bones just uncovered
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  Speaker 1: and dug up in the backyard of the alleged Philly
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  Speaker 1: serial killer in the snuff film case. Let that sink in.
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  Speaker 1: We thought it was true. We believed it was true.
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  Speaker 1: We find evidence of liquid cremation in the basement, but
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  Speaker 1: now actual bones are excavated, discovered, dug up in the
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  Speaker 1: backyard of the so-called Philly House of Horrors.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Underground Snuff Film Network,
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  Speaker 1: where pervs watch women get sexually tortured in and murdered
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  Speaker 1: on camera.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we're at a point where we're able
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  Speaker 3: to establish who knew what.
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  Speaker 4: He turned his son into an evil person. You talk
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  Speaker 4: about all the women who are dead. There were urns
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  Speaker 4: in that house that they believe contained human remains.
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  Speaker 5: The public might not understand the enormity of this.
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  Speaker 6: I think the cops do, and I think the FBI
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  Speaker 6: certainly does, that this could potentially be something Philadelphia or
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  Speaker 6: maybe even the country hasn't seen yet.
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  Speaker 1: What drove you to make this film?
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  Speaker 5: Basically, I'm a sociopath, always have been, and it was
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  Speaker 5: a nice way to express myself.
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  Speaker 1: What makes you describe yourself as a sociopath?
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  Speaker 5: I don't like, disagree with society. I think civilization is
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  Speaker 5: the biggest evolutionary mistake ever made. I really never wanted
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  Speaker 5: to consider myself as part of the human race. In fact,
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  Speaker 5: I used to go around describing myself as a Neanderthal.
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  Speaker 1: He described himself as a Neanderthal. Some would describe him
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  Speaker 1: as a serial killer. Tonight, bones excavated in the backyard
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  Speaker 1: of the so-called Philly House of Horrors. That from KYW
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  Speaker 1: and WHYY. Joining us, an all-star panel, but first, straight
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  Speaker 1: out to Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter. What can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me about bones dug up in the backyard
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  Speaker 1: of the House of Horrors and a safe that has
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  Speaker 1: been discovered behind the walls? What Are they tearing the
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  Speaker 1: home apart board by board, Dave Mack?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, pretty much that's what they're doing. Let's start
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  Speaker 6: with finding the bones. The excavation equipment that is operating
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  Speaker 6: as we speak in the backyard of the Chew Avenue
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  Speaker 6: house has found bones.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: They're looking for seven, possibly seven missing women that they
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  Speaker 6: think are dead, they being law enforcement. And finding bones
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  Speaker 6: in this backyard has put a shockwave through the investigation.
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  Speaker 6: But while they're working outside, digging through and doing what
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  Speaker 6: you would expect in an excavation, on the inside of
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  Speaker 6: the house, plank by plank, wall by wall, the home
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  Speaker 6: is being taken apart from the inside out. And as
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  Speaker 6: they were pulling one of these walls out, Hidden behind
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  Speaker 6: a wall inside the home, a safe has been found.
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  Speaker 6: They're not telling us a lot of what was found
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  Speaker 6: in the safe, but we know there were some documents.
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  Speaker 6: But considering everything else that has been found thus far
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  Speaker 6: in the investigation, Nancy, the contents of that safe might
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  Speaker 6: be mind-blowing.
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  Speaker 1: So you're telling me that multiple bones have been found
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  Speaker 1: in the backyard of the so-called Philly House of Horrors.
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  Speaker 1: What you were seeing earlier was from Fox 29. So,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, right now, they are about 50% through excavating
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  Speaker 1: the backyard of the Feeley House of Horrors. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I know that they have discovered some animal bones,
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  Speaker 1: but let me go straight out to special guest joining us, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Coyne. He is the chief medical examiner for District
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  Speaker 1: 2 in Florida, also American. a toxicologist, forensic pathologist, neuropathologist.
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  Speaker 7: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Coyne, I'm trying to determine as a JD, Juris Doctorate,
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  Speaker 1: you of course are an MD, when you see a
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  Speaker 1: human bone, for instance, a femur, it's clearly a human bone.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an animal bone. Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 8: The ME on scene should be able to examine the
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  Speaker 8: bones that were present or identified or found and determine
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  Speaker 8: based upon their size and physical characteristics as to whether
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  Speaker 8: or not they are human.
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  Speaker 9: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Coyne, let me try to refine my question. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: it be obvious to the naked eye, for instance, if
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  Speaker 1: you have a long human femur, a leg bone, you know,
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  Speaker 1: leg bone connected to the hip bone, that one, or
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  Speaker 1: a human skull? I believe even I, who just to J.D.,
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  Speaker 1: could immediately identify that as a human artifact.
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  Speaker 9: If you have long bones that are present, portions of
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  Speaker 9: the skull, even vertebrae, you should be able to distinguish
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  Speaker 9: human from non-human bones, just by virtue of the joint
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  Speaker 9: structure and the actual type of bone itself. Yes, you
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  Speaker 9: should be able to make that determination from physical examination.
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  Speaker 10: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Coyne, In other cases that I have personally investigated
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  Speaker 1: or covered, it takes a long time to get every
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  Speaker 1: single bone out of the earth. There are, what, 250?
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  Speaker 1: How many bones are in the human body?
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  Speaker 10: A little over 200 bones in the human body.
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  Speaker 9: And you should be able to distinguish, as we were
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  Speaker 9: discussing before, if you have a whole entire fragment of
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  Speaker 9: the bone, you should be able to distinguish that human
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  Speaker 9: bone from a non-human bone, and you may be able
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  Speaker 9: to somehow determine the developmental stage of that human bone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Dr. Coyne, as much as I appreciate your medical jargon,
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  Speaker 1: I would have a really long session with you because, see,
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  Speaker 1: you're like warp speed ahead of the rest of us
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  Speaker 1: when you are analyzing this. So when you say developmental stages,
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  Speaker 1: You mean age. You can look at the bone sometimes
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  Speaker 1: and determine the age of the victim. Is that what
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  Speaker 1: you mean?
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  Speaker 10: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Like developmental status?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: I apologize. So the difference between an adult.
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  Speaker 1: And a child.
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  Speaker 2: Don't.
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  Speaker 8: Don't.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't apologize. I'm forcing you to dummy down for me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So that said, it's a very difficult task. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you've ever had to be on a human
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  Speaker 1: excavation site, but You have? It's hard. Here's one that
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  Speaker 1: everybody can relate to. The excavation finding over 200 bones
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  Speaker 1: of little Kelly Anthony. That went through the night. It
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  Speaker 1: went for days and days. And there, of course, had been,
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  Speaker 1: as a lot of people call it, animal activity. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, animals ripping apart the body and thereby eating
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  Speaker 1: the flesh and scattering the bones. So it's a very
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  Speaker 1: painstaking task. It's like an archaeological dig, really, is what
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 10: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because some of the bones are, like, less than an inch. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you get one digit of a little finger. And then
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  Speaker 1: I believe you shook your head yes that you have
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  Speaker 1: been on a human excavation site before. I have.
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  Speaker 10: I've been on a few of them.
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  Speaker 1: What is that like?
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  Speaker 9: Painstaking, as you said, because you generally are dealing with bodies,
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  Speaker 9: oftentimes bodies that are buried, if we're referring to, and
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  Speaker 9: you have layers of sediment that will settle over time.
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  Speaker 9: And with that layers of sediment, you may have the
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  Speaker 9: body itself and the skeleton belonging to that body, but
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  Speaker 9: you also have animals that are in the area that
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  Speaker 9: are not only, you know, scavenging upon that skeleton, but
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  Speaker 9: may also, for instance, drop a skeleton of a, of
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  Speaker 9: a squirrel or other animals that get mixed in. And
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  Speaker 9: so you'll have little bits of bone mixed in with twigs.
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  Speaker 9: And when it's covered with dirt, it can be very
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  Speaker 9: difficult sometimes to distinguish bone from non-bone. And so it's
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  Speaker 9: a painstaking process as you're trying to clean away all
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  Speaker 9: of that dirt and sediment, all of the debris from
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  Speaker 9: the area, leaf debris, trying to isolate the individual bone
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  Speaker 9: and delicately clean the bone without damaging the bone. And
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  Speaker 9: that whole process takes days and days and days.
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  Speaker 10: Quite painstaking.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing, Dr. Thomas Coyne, that came to the forefront
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  Speaker 1: of the national consciousness was the cult mom Lori Vallow case,
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  Speaker 1: where you mentioned that very often you'll find animal bones
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  Speaker 1: and human bones buried in the same backyard. It happened there.
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  Speaker 1: It may be hard for people to believe, but it's actually, oh, gosh,
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  Speaker 1: she's a ghoul. There she is. Every time I turn around,
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  Speaker 1: I see her looking right at me. That's cult mom
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow. In that case, Dr. Queen, you and I
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  Speaker 1: analyzed the discovery of bones in the backyard, essentially, of
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  Speaker 1: her lover-turned-boyfriend. the prophet. In his backyard were the remains
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  Speaker 1: of her son, J.J., a little boy, I think seven,
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  Speaker 1: entirely 16. Also, the bones of a lot of pets
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  Speaker 1: were So I'm going to have to go shrink on
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  Speaker 1: this in a moment. I guess perps think, oh, I'll
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  Speaker 1: just bury them in the dog graveyard. It's just crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll get to the analysis psychologically of that. But Dr. Coyne, you,
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  Speaker 1: the ME, have to look at all of these bones
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  Speaker 1: and say, well, is that from a pet? Is that
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  Speaker 1: from a human? And especially when we're talking about bones
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  Speaker 1: that big, then once you get them, once you clean them,
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  Speaker 1: once you identify as then you take them back to
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  Speaker 1: the medical examiner and you try to assemble them. Let's
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  Speaker 1: see a shot of little Keely Anthony's remains once assembled.
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  Speaker 1: Now think about it. This was painstaking work. They never
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  Speaker 1: found all of Keely's bones. And that's what you do
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  Speaker 1: at the medical examiner's office if you can find all
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  Speaker 1: the bones. Look how it's painstakingly each vertebra is put
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  Speaker 1: together The ribs, the tiny little ribs, the tiny little
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  Speaker 1: pieces of finger. It takes forever. Isn't that true, Dr. Coyne?
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  Speaker 10: No, it does.
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  Speaker 9: It takes a long time because you want to be
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  Speaker 9: very accurate in everything that you do. And at the
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  Speaker 9: same time, then once you assemble everything, then you're going
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  Speaker 9: to begin the examination process. Can we identify who these
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  Speaker 9: bones belong to? Is there any trauma present on the
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  Speaker 9: bone that helps us determine how this person died?
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  Speaker 10: So that's a very long process.
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  Speaker 1: Just then, Dr. Coyne, I don't know if you can
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  Speaker 1: see your monitor because you're joining us from there in
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  Speaker 1: your medical examiner's office. We just had the picture of
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  Speaker 1: little Kelly's remains, and it just looks like a gut punch.
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  Speaker 1: I saw her little teeth still in her skull. They're
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  Speaker 1: probably baby teeth. Do you ever, when you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: reassemble a body, think about Like while you're talking, Dr. Coyne,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see or not, we're
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  Speaker 1: showing pictures of known victims. And to think that right now,
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  Speaker 1: as we go to air, someone is sifting through dirt
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  Speaker 1: trying to find their bones. Like that picture of Kelly
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  Speaker 1: and I saw her teeth. It was just too jarring
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  Speaker 1: for me. Just does it ever get to you while
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to put together the pieces of bones like
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  Speaker 1: a jigsaw puzzle? That this was a person.
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  Speaker 10: You try to.
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  Speaker 9: You try to stay focused on the task at hand, but,
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  Speaker 9: you know, I'm a parent. I have a lot of
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  Speaker 9: loved ones in my life and your mind can't help
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  Speaker 9: but drift off to what you know. And you have
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  Speaker 9: to kind of push that out of your brain to
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  Speaker 9: try to focus because, you know, your emotions can get
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  Speaker 9: the best of you sometimes.
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  Speaker 10: And these cases are very difficult, especially when they involve children.
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  Speaker 9: But you do your best to stay focused because you
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  Speaker 9: know that your end goal is to get justice for
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  Speaker 9: that person.
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  Speaker 1: We understand tonight, Dr. Coyne, investigators are digging down about
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  Speaker 1: three feet deep so far across the backyard. The yard
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  Speaker 1: is dividing into nine segments. They are also digging up
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  Speaker 1: an eight foot deep brick lined pit left behind. There
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  Speaker 1: is an area uncovered. in the backyard. We're just, that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're seeing tonight. This is from Fox 29. So
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  Speaker 1: this is a painstaking, a painstaking task. And you know
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  Speaker 1: there's trouble when the medical examiner shows up on the
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  Speaker 1: scene of a dig. That's from our friends at Fox 29.
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  Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be uncommon, oddly, Dr. Coyne, for people to,
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  Speaker 1: for excavators to find animal bones and human bones in
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  Speaker 1: the same area.
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  Speaker 10: Not uncommon. It's quite common, actually.
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  Speaker 9: Generally, in, I'd say, the last three or four cases
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  Speaker 9: I've had, we had to separate multiple kinds of animal
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  Speaker 9: bones from the human bones.
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  Speaker 10: Because you have animals that have died.
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  Speaker 9: Over the course of, you know, 20, 30 years that
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  Speaker 9: are present in an area where you bury a body.
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  Speaker 10: Those bones are going to get mixed in with those
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  Speaker 10: human bones.
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  Speaker 9: And as you're digging, you're recovering as much as possible
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  Speaker 9: because you don't want to miss anything. You're going to
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  Speaker 9: sift through all of that back to the office when
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  Speaker 9: you're in a more controlled environment. And, of course, then
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  Speaker 9: you're going to have to separate animal bones from human
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  Speaker 9: bones and any other debris that may be present.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Is it just me, Jackie? Is it just me? Let
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  Speaker 1: me go to our shrink. Dr. Gerilyn Utter is joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Clinical psychologist specializing in psychological evaluations, risk assessments of people
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  Speaker 1: in the justice system. Author of Mainlining Philly and Aftershock,
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  Speaker 1: How Past Events Shake Up Your Life Today. She's the
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  Speaker 1: star of Utter Nonsense. It's a documentary series. And you
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  Speaker 1: can find her at drgerilynutter.com.
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Gerilyn, is it just me? Because nobody else is showing
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  Speaker 1: any dismay here on the set that someone, i.e. Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow and that prophet husband of hers, and I use
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  Speaker 1: the term prophet very, very loosely, would throw children or
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  Speaker 1: these ladies' remains where they bury them The animals just,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know a legal answer to that, but there's
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  Speaker 1: something wrong with that. What is it? Maybe you can
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  Speaker 1: help me.
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  Speaker 11: I think, Nancy, when you're talking about the lack of
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  Speaker 11: regard for humanity, which as we're starting to learn more
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  Speaker 11: about this case, we're seeing a lot of egregious and
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  Speaker 11: quite honestly disgusting things that have happened to these poor women.
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  Speaker 11: When you take human remains and you bury them, you
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  Speaker 11: think of a couple of things, especially in your backyard.
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  Speaker 11: The first thing that you think of is whoever did
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  Speaker 11: this wants to maintain control. So you don't want to
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  Speaker 11: bury them somewhere where you won't have control of them
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  Speaker 11: and know where they are. So that sense of control
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  Speaker 11: is maintained if you bury remains on your property. Another
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  Speaker 11: thing speaks to the information I've been receiving is the
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  Speaker 11: sheer callousness and dehumanization of that's been demonstrated by the
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  Speaker 11: alleged perpetrator, by Mr.
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  Speaker 10: Horsch.
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  Speaker 11: So these women, in my opinion and from what I've seen,
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  Speaker 11: aren't portrayed as human beings. They are portrayed as objects,
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  Speaker 11: and sadly objects that have been used in a sexually
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  Speaker 11: sadistic manner. So yes, to take remains and to just
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  Speaker 11: disregard them, to bury them in the backyard, speaks to
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  Speaker 11: the dehumanization the fact that they're not viewed as women,
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  Speaker 11: that they're viewed as objects. And it also speaks to
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  Speaker 11: a level of control. If you bury them on your property,
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  Speaker 11: you know where they are. You can go back to them.
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  Speaker 11: And then the third thing is just the overall callousness,
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  Speaker 11: the lack of remorse, the lack of empathy, the lack
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  Speaker 11: of acknowledgement of humanity. This case spreads far and wide
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  Speaker 11: regarding what it can do to somebody's psyche. Just by
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  Speaker 11: the sheer nature of reviewing a lot of this data,
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  Speaker 11: I've had to take a step back myself. But the
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  Speaker 11: one thing that I just want to bring to everyone's attention,
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  Speaker 11: and these are women that are part of a vulnerable
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  Speaker 11: population in the city of Philadelphia. They were plucked from
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  Speaker 11: specifically the Kensington section of Philadelphia, and they were preyed
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  Speaker 11: upon by this individual because of how vulnerable they were.
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  Speaker 11: That does not excuse this behavior on any level. And
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  Speaker 11: I'm happy to see that you have these great pictures
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  Speaker 11: up of the women showing them with their families. These
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  Speaker 11: are loved women. These are women that are missed by
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  Speaker 11: family members, and I'm just happy to see you bring
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  Speaker 11: this to light on your show.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us now is a special guest, Jonathan Halloran-Corin.
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  Speaker 2: Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Corin, thank you for being with us. Your beloved Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Fasaro is dead. I can't imagine how it strikes you
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  Speaker 1: to hear this discussion of human bones potentially mixed with
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  Speaker 1: animal bones, an excavation in a guy's backyard, wet cremation,
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  Speaker 1: tanks those huge trash bins in the basement. It's just,
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  Speaker 1: it's out of a horror film, but it's not a film.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole was part of all of this.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, she was.
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  Speaker 12: It's every day is a living hell. Every day is
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  Speaker 12: a living hell now. Every day is something new and
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  Speaker 12: some leak from the police department saying this or that. Um,
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  Speaker 12: And yeah, I mean, I was listening and I'm not
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  Speaker 12: surprised by anything that was said previously in your segment.
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  Speaker 12: It's stuff that I've been hearing on practically a daily
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  Speaker 12: basis now.
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  Speaker 1: We're showing shots of your beloved Nicole Fasaro and she
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely beautiful. I remember growing up, I thought that's
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  Speaker 1: what sleeping beauty looked like. Right there. Beautiful dark hair,
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  Speaker 1: big blue eyes, perfect skin. That's what I thought a
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  Speaker 1: sleeping beauty would look like. You know, a Disney princess.
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  Speaker 1: Just looking at her. And imagining what you're going through,
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  Speaker 1: hearing about tubs of wet cremation and an excavation in
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  Speaker 1: the backyard. Whose bones are those? How callously they were
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  Speaker 1: just put in the backyard and how arrogant to think
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  Speaker 1: they'd never be discovered. Like Nicole doesn't even matter. Like
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  Speaker 1: nobody's going to look for her.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what?
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  Speaker 1: Were you told? I know that just before a press conference,
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  Speaker 1: detectives came to your home. What did they tell you
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  Speaker 1: about Nicole?
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: So when the detectives came to my home, it was
• 20:53
  Speaker 12: not to speak to me. It was actually to speak
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: to my mother, who is legally the next of kin.
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: And they came in and they sat down, said your
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: niece is deceased and that she was strangled.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: Handed her a packet of victim's resources. Do you have
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: any questions? Well, we started asking questions. And my mother
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: started asking questions, and they were willing to answer her questions.
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: But when it came to me, those questions were not answered.
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: It was not a good meeting with the police department
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: at that time.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So they basically come in. Guys, that video we were
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: showing you is from our friends at ABC6. Jonathan, they
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: basically come in and say, you know, Nicole, she's dead.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: That's it?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Did they tell you about the video?
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: No.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: No.
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: In fact, to go into further detail, I turned around
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: and had developed different leads in my investigation of trying
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: to find Nicole. And when I started talking to them
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: about it, their immediate response was, we're only here to
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: give a next of kin notification to your mother. were
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: well aware of your advocacy for other victims. And at
• 22:12
  Speaker 12: that point I said, so you don't want to hear
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: any of the leads that I have developed over the
• 22:18
  Speaker 12: investigation that I did in Nicole. No, then you can
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: get the hell out of my house. And I threw
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: him out of my house.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I've never imagined that. I mean, I would take
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: information anywhere I could get it. I mean, sure. I'd
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: love for the information to come from a non, a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: priest or a virgin, But typically in homicide, drug, child
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: molestation cases, that's not who your witness is. If somebody
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: had information, I want it. I've got to get into
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: your independent investigation, which is extensive. But Jonathan, when did
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you put the pieces together that it's your beloved Nicole
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: in the snuff film where.
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: R.C.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Horsch is tying a zip tie around the victim's neck
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and killing her on video.
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: So I was watching a live feed of the press
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: conference that afternoon. And as Deputy Commissioner Benoit was discussing it,
• 23:26
  Speaker 12: he had stated that it was a 27-year-old victim, which
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: out of all of the victims, the only one that
• 23:31
  Speaker 12: was 27 was Nicole. Um, and started giving the details
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: that he did. And in my heart, I immediately knew
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: that it was Nicole that he was talking about.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: What details?
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: Well, you heard it. They turned around and they ended
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: up saying that there was two video cameras set up.
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: One was stationary.
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: One was being held by Raymond that he turned around
• 23:59
  Speaker 12: and had given her drugs. She was using drugs and
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: the video. that she ended up having, was given money,
• 24:07
  Speaker 12: and then proceeded to handcuff her to the bed and
• 24:10
  Speaker 12: put a zip tie around her neck and use a
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: cable lock to end up putting the zip tie around
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: and making her suffocate.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take in the fact, Jonathan, as
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at pictures of Nicole, that there's actually a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: video of her getting a zip tie around her neck
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and being murdered.
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: It's a very hard thing to grasp.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: What about that press conference angered you so much?
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: The part that angered me the most was the fact
• 24:51
  Speaker 12: that I had two detectives in my house not, what,
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: four or five hours prior that could have easily given
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: me this information and didn't. Yet I have to turn
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: around and end up listening to a press conference where
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: they're giving graphic details as to her murder. And there
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: was no investigatory value, in my opinion, to them giving
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: that information.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Publicly.
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: Publicly. The fit of.
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: Rage was beyond anything I can imagine that I felt.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Tell me about your own experience. That video is from
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: our friends at Fox 29, everyone. I want to hear
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: about your private investigation.
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: At this point, I have been reaching out to different
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: victims myself. And by victims, I mean people that were
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: in the horsehouse that have been photographed. I've had numerous
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: ones come to me and end up saying, we've tried
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: speaking to the Philadelphia Police Department, but they don't want
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: to listen to us. Or they'll turn around and say, well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: we started talking to the Philadelphia Police Department, and then
• 26:06
  Speaker 12: we did a television interview, and now they don't want
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: to talk to us. And it has gotten to the
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: point where I've had to put together all the information,
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: and I've handed it over to the Department of Justice
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: Civil Rights Division.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: What information did you uncover, Jonathan, that you believe is probative,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that proves something in this case? I'm sure it's a lot.
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: As of right now, what I've ended up finding the
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: most is the fact that the police department is not
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: properly interviewing these victims. That's what I have found so far.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: What do they have to offer? What do they have
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that can prove something for me, Jonathan?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: They were in the house. They have eyewitness accounts. And
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: I don't want to be going too much into their stories.
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: But that's something that the police have to do, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: they're not doing it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Were Nicole's remains ever found?
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: No.
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: No, and honestly, I don't think they'll ever be found.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Even in light of the bone dig in the backyard
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: going on now, and even in light of the tubs
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of wet cremation found in the basement?
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: So, in my opinion, I understand why they're digging up
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: the front yard and backyard. But I don't think they're
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: finding what they think they're finding. They are obviously being
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: sent to the lab by the FBI for further analysis.
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: There is the buckets of sludge that were found in
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: the basement that were recovered back in June that were
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: sent to an FBI lab. And so far, everything has
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: been silent on it. And personally, if I was the investigator,
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: I would want to have a DNA sample from the
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: family member. As of today, right now, I have not
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: received a request for a DNA sample.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Joining us in addition to Jonathan Halloran-Corin, Jane. We are
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: using an alias tonight because Jane is afraid of being identified.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: She actually.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Went into the House of Horrors and lived to tell
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the tale. There, Eugene Horsch paid her to take photos. Him!
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, if I ran into that, I'd
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: run the other way. I'd make a train take a
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: dirt road. Jane went inside truly a House of Horrors.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Right now, the front and backyard being excavated for bones.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Tubs of wet cremation. found in the basement, and she
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: made it out of the so-called dungeon. Jane, thank you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: for being with us.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: You do realize, as you're hearing about excavation for human bones,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: tubs of wet cremation, Nicole Fisaro never being found, how
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: close you came to being in that backyard or in
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: one of those tubs? Has that struck you?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: It bothers me every day. The more the case gets...
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: as the case gets deeper and deeper involved and the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: more and more I'm hearing, every day I wake up
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: and I thank God that I'm still here to talk
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Jane, tell our listeners and viewers what happened when you
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: went inside the Philly House of Horrors.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: So I was there with another girl that I have
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: not seen since I've been in that house. And we
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: went in, we took a few pictures with Eugene. I
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: was starting to be asked some questions, some very serious
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: questions about my personal life, about my family, about, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: who would be noticed, you know, who's involved in my life.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I started feeling uncomfortable. And at that point, I decided
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to leave and never look back. And I thank every
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: day for God for that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: What kind of photos were you asked to take?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Photos where after we would inject after using where the
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: other girl would be asked to lick blood from my
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: arm or me do that to her. There's very compromising photos.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Did they ask you to take your clothes off? They did.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I did not.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Take all my clothes off. I did get in some
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: risque clothing, but I did not take all my clothes off. No,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: So they basically wanted you semi-clothed, licking blood off another woman?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: That's just wild. I mean, especially for the neighbors.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: You don't have to live through this and know that
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: they live next to this and know that there's probably,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: God only knows how many bodies back there.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: We don't talk a lot about it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: My attitude is to pray, hope and not worry too much.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: That's kind of the way I go about things, you know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: Sick people out here and we got to do better
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: out here. The cops got to help. Everybody got to help.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: It's like no help. People ignore a lot of stuff.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: I don't get it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: It's terrible.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: We should not be living like this. This world is
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: coming to an end.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: He was creepy.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Wasn't much good to say about them.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: He would come out in his Jeep and, you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: bring people in and out.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: He was picking up women down in the city and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: bringing them home. From KYW and WPVI, back to Jane
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: using an alias. They were asking you about family members. Translation,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: will anybody know it if you go missing? That's what
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that is. What kind of questions about your family members?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just pretty much asking me, you know, in my situation,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: was I on the streets or did I have a
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: place to live? When I told them that I did
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: have a place to live, they pretty much asked, oh,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: who lives with you? you know, do you visit your
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: family often? Um, kind of just feeling me out, making
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: me feel very uncomfortable. Um, I kind of felt that
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: was odd for somebody I was just meeting to be
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: so concerned about who was in my life and who
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: wasn't in my life. Um, luckily for me, when I was,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you know, when I was still using, I still had
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: a very good support system and a very, you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: a very good family around me. Um, So, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I know some of these missing girls and I know
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: that the girl that I was there with that day,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I have not seen or heard from since that day
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I was there.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Joining us tonight, Eric Faddis. He is the founder of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Law Offices of Eric Faddis, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor. Eric,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: what is the defense attorney going to do now? The
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: home is being excavated back at front yard for human bones.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Bones have been found. They're being analyzed. And as in
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the case of Rex Heuermann, the entire home is being
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: dismantled board by board.
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: Right, Nancy. So let's talk about the bones real quick.
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: You know, Dr.
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: Coyne had said, earlier, that a medical examiner would be
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: able to visually observe those and determine if they were
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: human or not. The reports indicate that they have found bones.
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: There has been no declaration that they are human whatsoever.
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: So this could be absolutely nothing with respect to the case.
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: On top of that, I thought they were alleging this
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: was liquid cremation. If so, why would a person also
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: need to be burying remains in the backyard? You know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: there's a lot of unanswered questions in this. There was
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: some luminol that was applied that is supposed to reveal blood,
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: but that can also have false positives as well for
• 34:15
  Speaker 13: iron and copper and other substances. So I think, you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 13: we're kind of putting the cart before the horse here.
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: A lot of investigation that still needs to go on.
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: And then finally, once we reach that, how do we
• 34:25
  Speaker 13: determine at whose hands these things happen? You know, when
• 34:28
  Speaker 13: bones were buried, if they ever were, under what circumstances,
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: by whom? A lot of unanswered questions still.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Fatus, are you actually saying that they have bones in
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: their front and backyard, human bones, but we can't connect
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: them to the people that own the front and backyard?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: So maybe somebody else over time deposited multiple sets of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: bones in their front and backyard and they had no
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: idea what was happening? Is that your theory?
• 34:58
  Speaker 13: There's been no confirmation that they're human bones at all.
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: And look, it sounds like at this house, there were
• 35:03
  Speaker 13: people coming in and out regularly, people who did not
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: live there. You know, it's certainly fine to suspect that
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: the homeowners might be responsible, but it sounds like there
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: are other parties who need to be further investigated and identified.
• 35:15
  Speaker 13: And this thing happened over the course of years.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: What other party other than these two ghouls?
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: Well, it sounds like there were drugs being used in
• 35:24
  Speaker 13: the house. And, you know, in sort of a trap
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: house-like scenario, there are people coming in and out. And
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: some of those folks are unsavory characters. Some of those
• 35:32
  Speaker 13: folks might have bad intentions. And so we're talking about
• 35:35
  Speaker 13: possible alternative suspects here that can't be ruled out based
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: on the information we have presently.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. You know what, Faddis? You're amazing. Somehow you've managed
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to extrapolate what you've heard tonight and come up with specter,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: phantom suspects defendants, other suspects. So here we go with
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the SOD. Some other dude did it. Not the people
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that own the house, not the people that film snuff
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: films of Nicole having a zip tie around her neck
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and dying on film. Forget them. It's some other nefarious, what, doper,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: an addict. Okay. Let me ask Jane this. Jane, did
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: they pick up men or just women?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: As far as I know, they only picked up women.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: So, Faddis, you think this is a female crime, then,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that the women killed each other and buried them in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: their yard? Let's just follow your reasoning through to its
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: logical conclusion. You can't just drop a bomb on crime
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: stories and not think we're going to tear it apart.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: So, is that your theory? That the women were killing
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: each other and burying them in the yard? What?
• 36:48
  Speaker 13: Well, you know, there have been cases before that have accomplices, right?
• 36:52
  Speaker 13: So that's a possibility. That happens, especially when we're talking
• 36:55
  Speaker 13: about some sort of coordinated killing and alleged cover-up. On
• 36:59
  Speaker 13: top of that, this saga spans years and years, potentially decades.
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: And so, you know, to account for who has gone
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: in and out of that house, whether it is women
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: or men or an accomplice or a drug user or
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: something else, There are just so many moving parts and
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: they can't really nail it down or tie it to
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: the horses at this point in my appraisal. That's with
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: the exception of the video.
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: The video is a different story.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Joining us now, special guest Shannon Hill. She is the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: star of Shannon Hill News. Shannon, thank you so much
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: for being with us. Okay, that is a lot. Please
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: explain what's happening and somehow tie all of these parts
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: together for us, Shannon.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Nancy, you are absolutely right. That is a lot. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I think your guest, I believe an attorney, Faddis, I
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: think he's incorrect on a lot of this because if
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: he connects this horror house that we're seeing in Philly
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: to the other investigation that happened back in 2009 in Chalfont,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Buck County, that house was also tied to R.C. Horsch
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and his son, Eugene. And these same operations were taking
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: place there as well, meaning firearm possession and a marijuana operation,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: and several IDs of women were also found in that
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Bucks County house. And some of those women have yet
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: to be found. So if you match up all of
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: this together in this new whorehouse situation, the case sounds
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: all but the same. And if you ask the DA
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: what happened to that house in Chalfant, he'll tell you
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: that he doesn't know, that they never met. further investigated
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: that case. But it's all tied to one man, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: that man is R.C.
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: Horsch.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Shannon, at this juncture, the excavation is ongoing.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: What do we know about tearing the house apart board
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: by board, much as Rex Heuermann, the Long Island serial killer,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: much as his home was completely torn apart? Correct, Nancy.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: They have torn apart the backyard in this Philly house
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: of horrors. They removed a shed. They dug up what
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: was underneath that shed. And like you've said today, they
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: have dug up many bones. And when they are calling
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: in medical examiners, it's usually because they believe these bones
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: are not that of animal bones and animal remains. Also
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the basement in this horror house was described as an
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: old high school science lab. There were several chemicals lying
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: around everywhere. And that just tells you what exactly they
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: were doing in that home.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious about the press conference. Guys, by the way,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Shannon Hill is a star of Shannon Hill News on Insta.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: The fact that information regarding snuff films and describing them
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: were put out to the public in a public press conference,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: what was the point of that? I agree with Jonathan
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I think the point of that, Nancy, was possibly to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: bring light to how many people have entered in and
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: out of that home. I think there was a description
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: of 600,000 photos being found within that home. And something
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: like 70,000 videos were covered of different people in and
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: out of that home.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And how, Shannon, did all of this come to light?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: It was a very unusual circumstance where the son, Eugene,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: is caught.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Correct, Nancy. There was a traffic stop where they pulled
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: over Eugene in his BMW. And at that time, law
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: enforcement heard a woman's voice coming from that car saying,
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  Speaker 3: you are going to hurt me. This woman has since
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: been identified as AT. And the traffic stop happened. They
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: realized there were firearms and cocaine in the car. And
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: that is when Eugene was arrested. And it opened up
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: this big bag of worms at this horror house in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: Just think about it, Shannon, that one incident, how many
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  Speaker 1: lives that may have saved. And all this time there
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: have been bones and tubs of wet cremation in the basement.
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  Speaker 1: All of this time and nothing was done. There was
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: no reason to, there was no probable cause. until now.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: And what do you think Shannon Hill about the investigation
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  Speaker 1: extending to Camden?
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  Speaker 3: This has been going on for a while. The neighbors
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  Speaker 3: have said they had identified some of these women going
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: in and out of the houses for years. And the
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: stories are there. The stories are in town. People know
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  Speaker 3: the horse men as very skeptical, very strange characters in
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  Speaker 3: the neighborhood. that they have been doing very bad things
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  Speaker 3: for a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: Millions of images, tens of thousands of videos, and seven
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  Speaker 1: missing women. That we know of. If you know or
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: think you know anything regarding this so-called Philly House of Horrors,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: please dial 215-686-8477. We remember. American hero trooper Alberto Felix,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Nevada Highway Patrol, killed in the line of duty, leaving
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  Speaker 1: behind a grieving wife, Arlene, and daughters, Alyssa, Angelia, and Aries.
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  Speaker 1: American hero trooper Alberto Felix. Thank you to our guests,
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  Speaker 1: but especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 1: And until then, good night, friend.