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Speaker 1: Peter Kranbler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Huge day in Canada
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Speaker 2: within the Liberal Party. I'll bring you what we know tonight.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on the program. Plenty to get across.
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Speaker 2: As I said that Liberal Party meetings started about lunchtime,
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Speaker 2: has only just concluded. Linquin questions about Susan Lee's leadership,
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Speaker 2: though not to mention the fault lines pretty evident in
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Speaker 2: the coalition itself. Another smoke and Ther's act for the
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier on youth crime announcing you sentencing laws, but
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Speaker 2: absolutely know in detail the government has not even drafted
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Speaker 2: the legislation. She says today is urgent the Opposition leader,
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Speaker 2: like all Victorians, he says he's had a gut full
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Speaker 2: more than that in a moment class Seed. It'll be
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Speaker 2: missed by most. But another migration milestone today, the first
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Speaker 2: three quarters of the year seeing the highest number of
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Speaker 2: net permanent and long term arrivals in Australia's history. Labor
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Speaker 2: said they had a plan. If so, where is it?
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Speaker 2: If this is it, it's not working and this will
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Speaker 2: be the image on the front pages of all the newspapers. Tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: as the conservative wing of the Liberal Party walked unified
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Speaker 2: into today's party room meeting. But for now the Liberal
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Speaker 2: leader remains type lipt. The Shadow Ministry will convene tomorrow
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Speaker 2: to resolve that final position.
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Speaker 3: But it was an excellent meeting and terrific to hear
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Speaker 3: from all of.
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Speaker 4: My little parts, So no fum outcome.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with this issue because it was like
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Speaker 2: Coy Dan Tian who emerged about half an hour ago
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Speaker 2: to say that the Liberal party room had had an
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Speaker 2: excellent discussion today, that what was said would inform the
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Speaker 2: Shadow Ministry submission, that he would draft that submission tonight
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Speaker 2: for a meeting tomorrow at nine am for then a
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Speaker 2: formal announcement of energy and emissions policy from the Liberals
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Speaker 2: to be made about midday.
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Speaker 5: And Susan will formally announce our policy after that meeting tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: So you can all be rest assured that by around
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Speaker 5: midday tomorrow you will very clearly know what our energy
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Speaker 5: and emissions reduction policy is as a Liberal.
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Speaker 2: Now here's what's interesting. Normally it's the shadow Ministry or
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Speaker 2: the shadow Cabinet that makes a recommendation. The minister takes
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Speaker 2: a paper to that Forum, and then once the decision
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Speaker 2: is made by the ministry or the Cabinet, it then
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Speaker 2: must go to the party room to ratify that decision. Now,
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Speaker 2: in this case, it seems that the party room has
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Speaker 2: made a recommendation itself to the shadow ministry. That's unusual.
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Speaker 2: Now almost certainly whatever is then decided tomorrow in the
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Speaker 2: Shadow Ministry, we'll have to come back to the party
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Speaker 2: room at some stage. Unless the leadership is utterly confident,
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Speaker 2: there will be no serious descent. That's the long standing,
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Speaker 2: very correct Liberal Party process, and I suspect to hold
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Speaker 2: the team together, they're going to have to follow that
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Speaker 2: to the letter. All TN would confirm tonight is that
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Speaker 2: there was overwhelming support for the two main principles. First
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Speaker 2: that the priority was affordable and reliable power, and second
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Speaker 2: that the coalition had to be serious about emissions reduction.
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Speaker 5: We have to be serious when it comes to addressing
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Speaker 5: emissions reduction because we want to be able to show
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Speaker 5: very clearly that this is an issue the whole party
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Speaker 5: room takes seriously.
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Speaker 2: I mean, those comments after the meeting today sounded a
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Speaker 2: bit to me like he was trying to square the circle.
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Speaker 2: Because the reason we don't have affordable and reliable power
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Speaker 2: in Australia is because we've been serious about emissions reduction
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Speaker 2: to the exclusion of everything else. But let's see what
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Speaker 2: TN comes up with overnight. In the course of the though,
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Speaker 2: there was a social media spat between the Nationals Matt Canavan,
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Speaker 2: a ferocious net zero opponent, and the Liberals Tim Wilson,
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Speaker 2: who seems to be against Slaver's net zero but doesn't
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Speaker 2: want his Liberals to be, in his words, National's light.
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Speaker 2: But what if the National Parties actually right here? What
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Speaker 2: if they have got things right as the did with
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Speaker 2: the Voice. There's no shame in the Limbs adopting the
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Speaker 2: same position as the Nats as they did on the Voice.
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Speaker 2: If the Nats so called political crime is simply that
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Speaker 2: they work things out faster than the Liberals did. And
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Speaker 2: that's been the real problem here. The Liberals have taken
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Speaker 2: far too long to resolve a position on something that's
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Speaker 2: been central to the political debate in Australia for nearly
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Speaker 2: two decades, and being slow means they have created a vacuum.
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Speaker 2: And in politics, no vacuum stays unfilled, does it. Ahead
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Speaker 2: of today's party room meeting, NPS gave a ray of
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Speaker 2: different views.
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Speaker 6: As a very very very low bar and low hanging fruit.
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Speaker 1: We should be simply walking away from the concept of
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Speaker 1: Nitziero and Tom.
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Speaker 7: I think there's overwhelming support for us to dump netzero,
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Speaker 7: and so my colleagues who argue that we've got to
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Speaker 7: look after.
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Speaker 2: The cities and keep Netzira. It does not stack up.
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Speaker 2: They are telling me that they want to see credible
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Speaker 2: action on climate. We have to be in Paris. We
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Speaker 2: can't be a prior state.
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Speaker 7: But has to be towards an intent of decarbonization.
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Speaker 2: Australians are expecting their alternative government to be a government
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Speaker 2: that is actually is taking seriously the reduction of emissions.
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Speaker 2: As you can see our whole spectrum of views. Someone
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Speaker 2: say they're all over the shop. Others will say it's
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Speaker 2: a broad church, but this is to be expected. Whilst ever,
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Speaker 2: there's no agreed party line on something as important as
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Speaker 2: a climate and energy policy on which most people in
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Speaker 2: public life have strong and decided views, everyone, it seems,
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Speaker 2: except Susan Lee and a energy shadow Danteen. Both Lee
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Speaker 2: and Tien seemed to be waiting for a consensus to
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Speaker 2: emerge from the Liberal party room rather than themselves doing
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Speaker 2: the grunt work, applying a shrewd political lens in declaring
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Speaker 2: a position that they then rally the party room to
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Speaker 2: support and argue for it, then hard in the wider community. Now,
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Speaker 2: I've worked for three federal Liberal leaders, and for all
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Speaker 2: of their differences, Brenda Nelson, Malcolm Turnbultorney Abbott, all very
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Speaker 2: very different men. Not one of them waited to be
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Speaker 2: told what he thought rightly or wrongly. All were leaders
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Speaker 2: who held strong views about where the country needed to go.
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Speaker 2: And perhaps that's what most worries me about Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: It's unsettling that Lee was Environment Minister for three years
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Speaker 2: in the Morrison government, so none of this should be
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Speaker 2: new to her yet. Other than saying that she's opposed
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Speaker 2: in at zero at any cost. In other words, she
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Speaker 2: supports its zero, but not Labour's way of getting there.
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Speaker 2: She's kept her deeper thoughts, if any, very much to herself.
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Speaker 2: Less than two weeks ago, Danteen was at an earlier
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Speaker 2: special party room meeting to discuss net zero, but instead
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Speaker 2: of listening to his colleagues, formulating a position and putting
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Speaker 2: that position then today in definitive terms to his party room.
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Speaker 2: He has reportedly put two options to them in the
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Speaker 2: room today, one keeping net zero with definite emissions reduction
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Speaker 2: targets only less rigorous than labors, and another dumping net
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Speaker 2: zero but staying in the Paris Agreement, which, as I
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Speaker 2: keep reminding people, doesn't say anything about net zero and
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Speaker 2: only envisaitors carbon neutrality at the end of the century.
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Speaker 2: So not twenty fifty, twenty ninety nine now, Tea, and
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Speaker 2: like his leader, has been careful not to take a
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Speaker 2: position himself other than supporting emissions reduction while opposing what
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Speaker 2: Labor's doing to bring it about, in the hope of
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Speaker 2: his colleagues will all somehow surround a position that he
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Speaker 2: can then adopt. That's not going to happen. The net
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Speaker 2: zero camp, well, they won't shift the dumb net zero camp.
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Speaker 2: They're not shifting either. And certainly, if the numbers are
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Speaker 2: reported right tonight at twenty eight, they've got the numbers
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Speaker 2: against the keep net zero camp. They are apt seventeen
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Speaker 2: about four or undecided. What's going to happen until they
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Speaker 2: get a policies steer from their leader about where they're
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Speaker 2: headed now if they reject net zero. Some have already
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Speaker 2: threatened to resign from the front bench. Not all of
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Speaker 2: them would, believing would be a loss. I think some
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Speaker 2: of them going would actually be a blessing because part
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Speaker 2: of the reason for the liberals catastrophic twenty four percent
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Speaker 2: primary vote is the parless quality of its party room
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Speaker 2: and all these lackluster time servers the party seems to
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Speaker 2: be putting into the Parliament. Back to today, the party
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Speaker 2: were in reportedly heard from the Liberals federal director that
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Speaker 2: voters weren't necessarily went it to net zero, but took
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Speaker 2: it as a proxy for concern over climate and they
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Speaker 2: wanted to reduce emissions as long as it wasn't costing
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Speaker 2: for them or their families. It's hardly surprising that they're
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Speaker 2: vaguely inclined to support net zero because for the past
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Speaker 2: few years, no one out there has been pointing out
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Speaker 2: the devastating implications for the economy and for our landscape
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Speaker 2: and our coastal areas, other than programs like this and
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Speaker 2: some in the media, and of course now lately regional
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Speaker 2: community groups who have spoken out. Certainly not amongst the
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Speaker 2: MPs on the center Right now on this score, it's
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Speaker 2: the Liberals that have been missing in action, but they've
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Speaker 2: effectively been gagged from speaking out against net zero ever
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Speaker 2: since Scott Morrison sold the party's sole at the glas
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Speaker 2: Climate Conference in twenty twenty one and joined the Liberals
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Speaker 2: to the hip of Labor. But just as voters were
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Speaker 2: vaguely in favor of the Voice until the Nats, then
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Speaker 2: the Limbs started campaigning against this race based separatism that
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Speaker 2: we changed the minds of Australians. So I think this
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Speaker 2: is an issue that the Coalition can win like they
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Speaker 2: won on the Voice, if they find their voice and
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Speaker 2: a spy right camera, as I said, Desa all about
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Speaker 2: camera today, will go there straight now and we'll speak
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Speaker 2: to our political reporter on the ground, Cam Reddin and
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Speaker 2: joining his two from Sydney, senior reporter Carolyn Marcus. Can
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Speaker 2: you've been in and around the corridors today. It will
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Speaker 2: get to the detail at the moment, but it had
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Speaker 2: a real feel of those leadership contests we cover because
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Speaker 2: the way in which the various groupings sizzi ly walked
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Speaker 2: in big belly of the Conservative faction was there united
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Speaker 2: there Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty, just just the optics
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Speaker 2: of them walking into the room. What did you make
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Speaker 2: of that.
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Speaker 6: Somebody suggested there might be another Tie I dinner in
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Speaker 6: the works, Peter. If not tonight, maybe another time soon.
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Speaker 6: It's such a visible image, isn't it when you have
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Speaker 6: a cohort like that walking in something you don't really
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Speaker 6: see outside of leadership votes. It was such a show
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Speaker 6: of force by the right wing or the conservative wing
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Speaker 6: of the Liberal Party. And another moment on the way
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Speaker 6: out too, a big handshake for the cameras between Andrew
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Speaker 6: Hasty and James Patterson. So a moment on the way in,
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Speaker 6: the big show of force, a moment on the way
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Speaker 6: out too. It's worth reminding viewers, as you mentioned there too,
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Speaker 6: the numbers in that room, if you look at the scorecard,
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Speaker 6: if you like, the twenty eight of those who spoke
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Speaker 6: speaking against net zero, seventeen speaking in favor of it.
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Speaker 6: For the phrase used was unclear or uncommitted, But really
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Speaker 6: the overwhelming support there, as you can see, is for
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Speaker 6: dumping net zero. So we really know now where the
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Speaker 6: coalition is going, certainly the Liberal Party tomorrow when Danteen
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Speaker 6: announces the fine print of that policy detail, Peter. This was,
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Speaker 6: though from a performative sense, as much about Susan Lee's
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Speaker 6: leadership as it was about the position. There is no
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Speaker 6: way that that was not a very calculated, deliberate decision.
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Speaker 6: I think Andrew Clanell, our colleague, reported that there was
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Speaker 6: a meeting in Henry Pike's office earlier today one of
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Speaker 6: the Conservative MPs from Queensland, where eventually they all decided
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Speaker 6: to then walk into the room as one. So that
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Speaker 6: tells you a little bit of what is at stake.
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Speaker 6: And Susan Lee, if optics mean anything, walking in with
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Speaker 6: just one colleague by her side and walking out of
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Speaker 6: that room alone.
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Speaker 2: In his brief comments after the meeting, obviously foreshadowing the
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Speaker 2: shadow Ministry meeting tomorrow. And it is ministry, so the
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Speaker 2: larger cohort of the front bench, not the smaller cabinet group.
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Speaker 2: Dante and spoke about foundational principles, of which there are too. First,
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Speaker 2: of course, was affordability and reliability of power, not emissions,
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Speaker 2: the second being emissions, and then there were a series
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Speaker 2: of other principles. You've got some of those the foundational
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Speaker 2: ones zero on the screen. You've got some of those
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Speaker 2: other guiding principles. I think you call them camp tell
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Speaker 2: us what they are.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it tells you a lot about what's going to
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Speaker 6: be in this policy, Peter, and in terms of those
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Speaker 6: guiding principles, it's been described to me as something like
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Speaker 6: you think of the Reserve Bank's duel mandate, where stable
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Speaker 6: employment and low inflation are kind of the duel priorities.
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Speaker 6: This is going to put a great deal of emphasis
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Speaker 6: this coalition approach on affordable pricing as much as emission's reduction,
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Speaker 6: if not even more so than emission's reduction. So that's
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Speaker 6: going to be the emphasis shift. You can see some
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Speaker 6: of those other principles on your screen in this document
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Speaker 6: that was handed out by Dante and to the party
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Speaker 6: room today. It does list things like, for example, lifting
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Speaker 6: the ban on nuclear energy, on sweating which is a
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Speaker 6: phrase I hadn't heard before Sunday Agender, I must admit
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Speaker 6: but sweating coal stations for as long as possible. So
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Speaker 6: you think of the approach, David chris A fully the
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Speaker 6: Premiere in Queensland has taken about being willing to extend
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Speaker 6: coal stations further and further into the future if it's
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Speaker 6: going to keep prices down, well, that's something the Coalition
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Speaker 6: and the Liberal Party is now very much going to
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Speaker 6: be open to and the other aspect to this, Peter
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Speaker 6: is about opposing tariffs and taxes that are related to
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Speaker 6: net zero. So it's not just the overall architecture of
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Speaker 6: various transmission lines and different projects, but it's all the
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Speaker 6: fringe elements as well, things like carbon border tariffs which
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Speaker 6: have been talked about by other countries that they would
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Speaker 6: be viciously opposed, that a Liberal coalition government would not
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Speaker 6: inflict those on other nations too. It talks about shadow
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Speaker 6: carbon taxes and other things that are existing in the system.
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Speaker 6: So we'll get the full fine print tomorrow when danteen
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Speaker 6: and certainly unveil it, but we do now have a
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Speaker 6: real into of where that's going to go, and it
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Speaker 6: is a real attempt to paint a different stroke to labor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just peeking up those guiding principles. I want to
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Speaker 2: make a couple of comments your point about sweating the
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Speaker 2: assets or sweating out the longevity of the coal fired
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Speaker 2: power stations running in Australia. It's not just the Liberal
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Speaker 2: government or the Liberal National government up in Queensland doing that.
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Speaker 2: Of course, we know ering the massive station in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales has been extended by labor. We also know
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Speaker 2: the similar in Victoria. The Allen Labour government, who likes
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Speaker 2: to talk out one side of their mouth in relation
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Speaker 2: to renewables, are subsidizing coal fire power in Victoria to
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Speaker 2: keep the lights on. So that's more than just a
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Speaker 2: conservative states, if I might say so. In relation to
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Speaker 2: that point about tariffs too, I found it interesting in
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Speaker 2: that final guiding principle that they don't want tariffs and
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Speaker 2: other sort of measures, but they don't say anything about subsidies.
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Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen, as a conservative
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Speaker 2: a removal of subs cities. You know, let renewables stand
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Speaker 2: on the market principles. If they stack up, the market
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Speaker 2: will pay for them. I have an objection to taxpayers
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Speaker 2: funding wind farms and solar farms. The other point there
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Speaker 2: I think is really important too. This is a relation
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Speaker 2: to regional communities, in particular the guide in principle of
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Speaker 2: social license can and that's a commitment there in the
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Speaker 2: document I read just briefly before coming on air that
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Speaker 2: there'll be no role out of infrastructure unless the communities
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Speaker 2: are willing to have that. Now, that's huge in places
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Speaker 2: like Victoria in the west of the state, where the
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Speaker 2: massive V and I network that will transsect farmland is
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Speaker 2: highly contentious and of course which the Victorian government has
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Speaker 2: now passed legislation to find farmers thousands and thousands of
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Speaker 2: dollars if they don't host this infrastructure on their farms.
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Speaker 2: So I think these are some of the areas where
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Speaker 2: if this turns up tomorrow as formal policy from the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: I see real political opportunity for them at the next election.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And the clear text in this is no federal
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Speaker 6: funding for any electricity infrastructure that does not have strong
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Speaker 6: community support. So that is a pretty clear pledge, Peter,
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Speaker 6: particularly for many of those offshore wind farms you think of,
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Speaker 6: for example, or other big transmission line projects, particularly in
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Speaker 6: those regional seats. The Coalition may not push your head
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Speaker 6: with those, and it's worth not in just one other
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Speaker 6: point that you refer to there as well, that we
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Speaker 6: had on the screen, that this document does commit to
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Speaker 6: the Paris agreement you've mentioned. They're the difference between Paris
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Speaker 6: and net zero. Under that this would in theory keep
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Speaker 6: some of those moderates happy and prevent any mass resignation.
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Speaker 6: That seems to be some of the things the national parties.
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Speaker 6: We remain committed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no great revelation. I know it's taken some
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Speaker 2: of the media not you can some slow tocome to it.
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Speaker 2: But the National Party had Paris on the table when
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Speaker 2: they made the decision only three weeks ago. Paris was
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Speaker 2: an enduring commitment and Paris's end of the century emissions neutrality.
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Speaker 2: It's not binding in a way that net zero twenty
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Speaker 2: fifty is binding. It's much more short term. I'll leave
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Speaker 2: it there. I have Tony Abbott coming up in the program.
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Speaker 2: We'll come back to this issue. But Caroline, you broke
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Speaker 2: a story about a week ago regarding the granddaughter of
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Speaker 2: a high profile olympian who failed to qualify for a
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Speaker 2: sports competition after she ran third to a trans student. Well,
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Speaker 2: today your story was front and center at the Victorian Parliament.
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Speaker 2: What's the latest.
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Speaker 8: Well, Victorian Liberal and p Moira Deeming has taken up
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Speaker 8: this eleven year old case. She met with her and
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Speaker 8: her father this week and argued in Parliament and the
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Speaker 8: Legislative Council today that the Victorian school policies completely off
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Speaker 8: and completely unfair to young girls because at the moment,
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Speaker 8: as you may recall, schools are in Victoria and many
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Speaker 8: across the country have a policy which allows boys who
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Speaker 8: are eleven or younger to compete in the sex category.
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Speaker 8: They feel most comfortable when it comes to sports, and
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Speaker 8: that's exactly what happened to Emily, who's in year five.
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Speaker 8: She's the granddaughter of Olympic gold medalist Faith Leech, who
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Speaker 8: competed alongside Dawn Frasier in swimming in the nineteen fifty
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Speaker 8: six Olympics. And Emily we've spoken to her about what
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Speaker 8: coming third after this transgender student has meant to her.
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Speaker 8: She wasn't able to qualify for the regionals and despite
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Speaker 8: an official complaint from her father to the Education department
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Speaker 8: in Victoria, she wasn't given any sort of special invitation
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Speaker 8: despite her extraordinary circumstances.
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Speaker 2: This is Emily on what that meant for her.
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Speaker 9: I'd like to s see that the rules get changed
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Speaker 9: and that next year like girls are a bit more
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Speaker 9: confident in running and doing sports, and just hope that
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Speaker 9: girls feel comfortable in their normal spaces like girls toilets,
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Speaker 9: change rooms and all.
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Speaker 8: That today more redeeming, lashed the Victorian Education minister, and
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Speaker 8: she was also joined by her colleague Beb MacArthur.
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Speaker 10: Girls in Victoria do not feel safe or comfortable, and
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Speaker 10: they aren't allowed to have spare fair sports. Will the
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Speaker 10: minister fix this or do they just not care about
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Speaker 10: girls at all?
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Speaker 11: How does this encourage girls in sport or inspire the
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Speaker 11: next generation? When ideology trump's natural justice, we're in trouble.
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Speaker 2: You know, I can't fathom, Caroline, how that little girl
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Speaker 2: has to compete against a boy, and you know, bravely
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Speaker 2: saying more than most politicians have got the stomach to
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Speaker 2: say publicly. She says all of that, And yesterday we
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Speaker 2: report that the IOC is going to ban biological men
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Speaker 2: from every women's category at the Olympics starting from next year.
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Speaker 2: Now we won't have female Olympians if they can't get
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Speaker 2: through qualifying rounds as primary school kids, because those girls
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Speaker 2: are competing with boys. It just doesn't make sense. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is crushing the dreams of students like Emily, who,
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Speaker 8: in her case, she wants to follow in the footsteps
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Speaker 8: and keep that family tradition alive and make it to
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Speaker 8: the Olympics, just like her grandmother did. But so many
21:43
Speaker 8: other girls and young women out there who were put off.
21:46
Speaker 8: They're disheartened after having to compete against boys, and the
21:50
Speaker 8: science does show that the advantages for males begins from
21:56
Speaker 8: around the age of age, so it's not just once
21:59
Speaker 8: you've gone through pub where it becomes more stock, but
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Speaker 8: as young as eight, so there's definite advantages there.
22:05
Speaker 2: And good on Emily for being.
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Speaker 8: Brave enough and braver than a lot of legislators, as
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Speaker 8: more Deeming has pointed out and showing her face and
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Speaker 8: speaking out about this.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Thank you for following this up to Caroline.
22:19
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there with you both, Cam. I know
22:20
Speaker 2: you've got a busy night ahead of you. I just
22:22
Speaker 2: want to make mention too. Chris Mens is going to
22:25
Speaker 2: reintroduce the move on laws that were challenged by the
22:29
Speaker 2: propalastity and activists. If you remember they went to the
22:32
Speaker 2: Supreme Court at the time they were knocked out. These
22:35
Speaker 2: are police move on powers. They will be reintroduced to
22:37
Speaker 2: you now today. Let's go back to Victoria. Now. I
22:40
Speaker 2: want to get into Justina Alan Smoke and Mirrors Act
22:43
Speaker 2: today on youth crime. We'll get into that, but there's
22:46
Speaker 2: another bill that's going to upset a great many Victorians,
22:50
Speaker 2: and so few understand what's on the way. Let me
22:54
Speaker 2: explain it. This is a planning amendment bill. It's currently
22:59
Speaker 2: before the Parliament, very little attention in the media, but
23:02
Speaker 2: a lot of criticism already from industry and community groups.
23:06
Speaker 2: They warn if this bill passes the Parliament, it's going
23:11
Speaker 2: to centralize planning. This is residential planning rules in the
23:15
Speaker 2: hands of the minister and it will take away power
23:18
Speaker 2: from your local council. It will take away the ability
23:23
Speaker 2: of the Parliament to oversight these laws, and it will
23:27
Speaker 2: basically stop objections from residents in a street or a
23:31
Speaker 2: community about some big development being foisted on them. Here
23:36
Speaker 2: to discuss this now, Liberal Member for Polwarth Richard Reid
23:40
Speaker 2: and Richard thank you. I mean you drew. I'd heard
23:44
Speaker 2: the speculation, but you drew the detail of this bill
23:48
Speaker 2: to my attention. What are the most concerning aspects for you?
23:54
Speaker 1: Well, the concerning aspects of many varied and as such
23:58
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party will not be supporting legislation because it's
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Speaker 1: going to make a mockery of Melbourne and Victoria generally.
24:05
Speaker 1: Just to give you a quick highlight, the Parliament can
24:07
Speaker 1: no longer have any say over what the ministers desides.
24:10
Speaker 1: Neighbors will no longer be notified of quite large developments
24:14
Speaker 1: next door to them. So that fear that people have
24:17
Speaker 1: of waking up next door with a three or four
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Speaker 1: story apartment building with windows leering in through your bedrooms
24:22
Speaker 1: and bathrooms, there's nothing you can do about it. Traditional
24:25
Speaker 1: owner groups have to be notified in many, many instances
24:29
Speaker 1: where your next door neighbor doesn't. And on top of
24:32
Speaker 1: all of that, the big tax theft, and this Victorian
24:36
Speaker 1: government is becoming the masters of tax theft. Peter, your
24:40
Speaker 1: programs covered extensively the fire service tax, but now the
24:44
Speaker 1: gate and development funds. So adding all those growth suburbs
24:47
Speaker 1: where millions and millions are taxed on the development to
24:51
Speaker 1: in theory, build the traffic intersections and add the facilities
24:55
Speaker 1: and infrastructure in those new communities, they are now planning
24:59
Speaker 1: to legalize the theft of that money from those communities
25:03
Speaker 1: to spend on whatever the government says is a benefit
25:07
Speaker 1: to those communities. So in the case of Victoria, the
25:09
Speaker 1: whole nation knows about the railway tunnel from nowhere to nowhere.
25:14
Speaker 1: Just read that as if the government says your community
25:17
Speaker 1: will benefit from this train tunnel, they're going to take
25:20
Speaker 1: that money that's supposed to be the highway interchange at
25:23
Speaker 1: your suburb, or the traffic lights, or the new roundabout
25:25
Speaker 1: or the swimming pool. That money is all being funneled
25:28
Speaker 1: off to pay for Jacinda Allens's great extravagances.
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Speaker 2: I think people would be shocked to know that the
25:36
Speaker 2: local Aboriginal mob is going to know about the three
25:39
Speaker 2: story building going next to your block of land or
25:41
Speaker 2: your home, but you're not. They'll potentially have an opportunity
25:46
Speaker 2: under the new treaty laws in Victoria to oppose that.
25:49
Speaker 2: You won't, given the Greens say they're all about the environment.
25:53
Speaker 2: Given you've got a whole motley crew of people in
25:55
Speaker 2: the upper House in Victoria, is there any chance they
25:58
Speaker 2: are going to oppose some of this legislation.
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Speaker 1: Well, it creates strange bedfellows sometimes. I mean this assault
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Speaker 1: on the way we live in Victoria and our suburbs
26:10
Speaker 1: and our country towns. This is everywhere. It's not just Melbourne.
26:13
Speaker 1: This will actually unite people, Peter, I mean people out
26:16
Speaker 1: in the outer suburbs of Melbourne and mid Ring suburbs
26:20
Speaker 1: that have treeed areas. Take Blackburn for example. I was
26:23
Speaker 1: out there recently. That community is incredibly protective of its
26:27
Speaker 1: tree canopy, and tree covers. You know, that's all up
26:29
Speaker 1: for grabs under this new planning regime out in my
26:33
Speaker 1: own country regions in regional Victoria. There are huge areas
26:37
Speaker 1: around most of our country towns in western Victoria, for example,
26:41
Speaker 1: that have all these traditional owner overlays. They're all now
26:45
Speaker 1: going to have to get permits and permission from traditional
26:48
Speaker 1: owner groups to go for a garden shed in the backyard,
26:51
Speaker 1: a new front fence, all these permits. It's also, you know, ironically,
26:56
Speaker 1: it's just going to make getting a permit and progressing
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Speaker 1: any development of Victoria so much longer because the traditional
27:05
Speaker 1: owner groups they don't have yet the funding to manage
27:09
Speaker 1: dealing with every planning permit that comes by. It's just
27:12
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. It's putting politics, cheap left wing politics ahead
27:17
Speaker 1: of affordable housing, growing communities, sustainable towns and suburbs all
27:23
Speaker 1: being thrown out the window in order to take money
27:26
Speaker 1: from developments to pay for tunnels and to make cheap
27:29
Speaker 1: political points around traditional owners and treaty. And it's a
27:33
Speaker 1: real disappointment and every Victorian needs to be aware of it.
27:37
Speaker 1: Every Victorian needs to know this is just another nail
27:40
Speaker 1: in the Victorian cotton.
27:43
Speaker 7: Well.
27:43
Speaker 2: Bet you've got to get this message down. I'm glad
27:45
Speaker 2: you're here Tonight's talk about it because as I said,
27:48
Speaker 2: I think it's devastating when you get into the detail.
27:50
Speaker 2: But honestly it's not being ventilated enough in the community yet.
27:55
Speaker 2: What was also out today from the Premier these youth
27:58
Speaker 2: justice reform and I use parentheses there because she talked
28:02
Speaker 2: a big game on the front page of the papers today,
28:04
Speaker 2: but when pushed about it in the press conference, there's
28:08
Speaker 2: absolutely no legislation. It has not even been drafted yet.
28:14
Speaker 2: This was an announcement to me that looks like a
28:18
Speaker 2: reaction to bad polling. Labor must be bleeding on you
28:22
Speaker 2: violent crime at the moment. That's what's got her out
28:25
Speaker 2: there today. And I tell you what I mean, Brad Batten.
28:28
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think it's a bit too nice, needs to
28:31
Speaker 2: take the gloves off, but today he did. Miss have
28:33
Speaker 2: a listen.
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Speaker 4: This is the absolute highlight of the absolute this government
28:40
Speaker 4: feeds the community. I'm sorry you can't come out with
28:43
Speaker 4: a media release and not have the legislation written to
28:46
Speaker 4: protect victorians.
28:48
Speaker 12: That is an absolute joke. This is the time that
28:51
Speaker 12: we have to say to just.
28:52
Speaker 9: Sing to Alan.
28:53
Speaker 12: Enough is enough.
28:55
Speaker 4: Every single victim I've spoken to, I tried to take
28:58
Speaker 4: calm at the start. Every single victim I've spoken to
29:01
Speaker 4: will be absolutely and utterly offended.
29:05
Speaker 2: And of course this comes Richard after the promise. She
29:07
Speaker 2: says that she's going to have protesters unmasked, and all
29:13
Speaker 2: she's going to do now is legislate that the police
29:15
Speaker 2: have the right to politely ask them to take the
29:17
Speaker 2: mask off, but only if they think they've either committed
29:21
Speaker 2: a crime or about to commit a crime. Otherwise they're
29:25
Speaker 2: masked up. There is no change, So she's all had
29:27
Speaker 2: no cowboy, you know, this is just big smoke with
29:30
Speaker 2: announcements and hoping that's enough to turn people back into
29:35
Speaker 2: voting for her at the next election.
29:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Peter, it's stuff you couldn't write a script for.
29:41
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, Jasinda Allen and her cabinet received some
29:45
Speaker 1: pretty bad polling over the weekend. They had a meeting
29:48
Speaker 1: late last night and decided to come up with a
29:52
Speaker 1: Queensland government very very light policy. Like to give you
29:55
Speaker 1: an idea, Queensland's adult crime adult time policy has thirty
30:01
Speaker 1: three more offenses. We have just eight offenses and only
30:05
Speaker 1: if the person who's committed one of those eight offenses,
30:08
Speaker 1: which mind you, doesn't include stealing cars and a whole
30:10
Speaker 1: raft of other pretty serious crimes. They're only going to
30:16
Speaker 1: suffer a little bit more at the hands of the
30:18
Speaker 1: justice system if they're a repeat offender. So you know,
30:21
Speaker 1: all the kids out there that want to still steal
30:23
Speaker 1: a car, go and steal your first car, because you'll
30:25
Speaker 1: get a free pizza boutcer and some video games in
30:28
Speaker 1: the lock up for the night. You'll be back out
30:30
Speaker 1: and home before breakfast the next day. That's the first
30:33
Speaker 1: team here, Richard. And as for the weak move on laws,
30:36
Speaker 1: it's crazy.
30:39
Speaker 2: And I'm just going to make the point of course,
30:41
Speaker 2: this is all dependent. None of this is manitresentency. So
30:44
Speaker 2: it's all dependent on the week judges in Victoria and
30:46
Speaker 2: the magistrates in Victoria actually leveling these penalties because they're
30:52
Speaker 2: in the legislation now and they're being bailed anyway at
30:55
Speaker 2: the whim of the magistrates. So unless we start electing
30:58
Speaker 2: our judges like a Erica and got an open mind
31:01
Speaker 2: on that, Unless we start electing and removing them if
31:06
Speaker 2: they don't do what the community wants, this is just
31:09
Speaker 2: smoke and mirrors. I'll leave it there, Thank you, Richard.
31:11
Speaker 2: We'll follow up that legislation on planning laws all right
31:15
Speaker 2: after the break, we'll get back to Susan Lee's leadership.
31:19
Speaker 2: We'll talk about what we know out of the party
31:21
Speaker 2: room today. We'll talk about it with someone who knows
31:23
Speaker 2: a little bit. It's about climate issues and opposition, Tony Abbott.
31:27
Speaker 2: And we'll also look at that big announcement too from
31:29
Speaker 2: a former RSL chief about the parlors state of defense funding.
31:39
Speaker 2: Welcome back coming out those damning migration statistics are today
31:43
Speaker 2: we're headed for our highest ever intake of migrants into Australia.
31:47
Speaker 2: So much for a plan. Labour's Big Australia is absolutely
31:52
Speaker 2: in full display. But let's going out of the woes
31:55
Speaker 2: facing the coalition and criticism Susan Lee is facing about
32:00
Speaker 2: leadership here to give us some insight on a tough
32:03
Speaker 2: job that it is to be an opposition leader. Opposition
32:06
Speaker 2: leader of course at one time with Little Party, former
32:08
Speaker 2: Australian Prime Minister Tony Abott. Tony, thank you. I know
32:12
Speaker 2: you're going to be loath to get into the entrials.
32:14
Speaker 2: I know you've spoken to a lot of people and
32:15
Speaker 2: you're not going to air that out there publicly tonight,
32:18
Speaker 2: or you may I could tempt you, but just in
32:21
Speaker 2: broad terms, you saw that document that Danteen has now
32:24
Speaker 2: issued to the media about the foundation principles and then
32:28
Speaker 2: these guiding principles in relation to net zero in relation
32:32
Speaker 2: to power and energy. What did you make of that
32:36
Speaker 2: as some sort of framework.
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Speaker 13: Well, Peter, I'm actually quite encouraged because it seems that
32:43
Speaker 13: the first of the guiding principles is that affordable, abundant,
32:47
Speaker 13: reliable power must come first. That seems to be the
32:51
Speaker 13: first of the guiding principles. I think that means that
32:54
Speaker 13: they are gained a dump zero, because frankly, you should
33:00
Speaker 13: never put cutting emissions ahead of saving jobs, keeping industries,
33:08
Speaker 13: and trying to make people's cost of living affordable. So
33:12
Speaker 13: I'm encouraged, But I guess the two points I'd make tonight,
33:16
Speaker 13: having seen a bit of Danteen's announcement, is whatever emerges
33:21
Speaker 13: tomorrow has got to be a very clear contrast with labor,
33:26
Speaker 13: and the leadership has then got to prosecute the argument
33:31
Speaker 13: day in day out, right up until the next election,
33:34
Speaker 13: because if we are going to go against the whole
33:38
Speaker 13: climate cult, we have got to prosecute the case relentlessly.
33:46
Speaker 2: That's I guess the concern. The two big paths to it.
33:50
Speaker 2: If they do stand apart from net zero, they do
33:53
Speaker 2: junk net zero. They obviously will stay in the Paris Agreement.
33:56
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment. They'll stay in
33:57
Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement, but they'll priority ties affordable, abundant, reliable power.
34:04
Speaker 13: That's always got to come first.
34:05
Speaker 2: Okay, Now they've all got to agree to that, and
34:08
Speaker 2: they've all got to stick to that, and no bitching
34:10
Speaker 2: and moaning around the edges if they didn't get their way.
34:13
Speaker 2: The other part is, and this is the point that
34:15
Speaker 2: I don't think many people have really prosecuted up until now,
34:19
Speaker 2: is if they are going to stand out there and
34:20
Speaker 2: say we are not backing that zero twenty fifty anymore.
34:25
Speaker 2: We're still in Paris, but no net zero twenty fifty.
34:30
Speaker 2: That's a mighty effort because you're up against the ABC,
34:34
Speaker 2: most of the media, the elites that the Simon Holmes
34:37
Speaker 2: are courts, some within the Liberal Party interest So can
34:41
Speaker 2: they do it and can Susan do it? Well?
34:46
Speaker 13: I think it's certainly doable. I really do believe it's doable.
34:50
Speaker 13: But I just think it's so important to stress that
34:55
Speaker 13: cutting emissions is no more than nice to do obs
35:00
Speaker 13: industries and families. Cost of living comes first.
35:05
Speaker 2: Remind people when you, in handwritten writing, annotated the Cabinet
35:13
Speaker 2: Minute about the Paris Agreement, what did you say.
35:20
Speaker 13: Well, the Cabinet Minute said that we could get the
35:23
Speaker 13: twenty six to twenty eight percent emissions reduction by twenty
35:26
Speaker 13: thirty without any new policy, without any costs, taxes, et cetera.
35:34
Speaker 13: And it was on the basis of that absolute assurance
35:37
Speaker 13: that I said, yes, we can agree to that. But
35:42
Speaker 13: I did say in a handwritten amendment to the minute
35:48
Speaker 13: that it was a subject contingent on other countries doing
35:53
Speaker 13: their bit too. And interestingly, some years ago we actually
35:58
Speaker 13: met that twenty six to twenty eight percent reduction target.
36:02
Speaker 13: Almost no one else, almost no other country has come
36:06
Speaker 13: close to meeting their emissions reduction targets. So Australia, it
36:11
Speaker 13: turns out, is a stellar performer. And interestingly it was
36:16
Speaker 13: the Abbot government that delivered a U.
36:18
Speaker 2: As frustrated as me to see that the political opportunity
36:23
Speaker 2: that is taking up the fight to the Labor Party
36:28
Speaker 2: about the cost of living pain that these crazy climate
36:33
Speaker 2: energy policies are visiting upon Australians and the same way
36:38
Speaker 2: that you could see you and I could see very
36:39
Speaker 2: early on with the voice, this was not what Australians wanted.
36:43
Speaker 2: Despite all this good will we have for Aboriginal people,
36:46
Speaker 2: dividing us by the color of our skin was not Well,
36:49
Speaker 2: it's not the human way, but it's not the Australian
36:51
Speaker 2: way either. I look at this policy net zero and
36:55
Speaker 2: where labor is and the pain, and almost wish I
36:58
Speaker 2: was back there because it is absolutely winnable in the
37:02
Speaker 2: public domain. Do you feel like that like.
37:04
Speaker 13: I do, absolutely right. Labor has an energy train wreck
37:11
Speaker 13: because of its emissions obsession. It's the net zero strait
37:16
Speaker 13: jacket which is driving our crazy energy policies. And as
37:21
Speaker 13: you have said, Peter, as things stands, we're subsidizing renewables
37:27
Speaker 13: to drive take up, we're subsidizing consumers to avoid bill shock,
37:34
Speaker 13: we're subsidizing coal to keep the lights on, and we're
37:38
Speaker 13: subsidizing heavy industry so that they don't close down because
37:43
Speaker 13: of high power prices. This is literally insane. So we've
37:48
Speaker 13: got to get right away from this. I think a
37:51
Speaker 13: sensible energy policy is quite simple. No more qualified power
37:54
Speaker 13: stations to close without a reliable altertive, get gas out
37:59
Speaker 13: of the ground found at express speed, No subsidies for
38:04
Speaker 13: renewables because if they're really cheap, they don't need.
38:06
Speaker 2: It, and let's end the nuclear band now.
38:09
Speaker 13: I really think that a strong and sustained case can
38:14
Speaker 13: be successfully made to the Australian people. And frankly, the
38:20
Speaker 13: cost of net zero is also the devastation of so
38:25
Speaker 13: much of our countryside, as forests of wind turbines and
38:30
Speaker 13: carpets of solar panels end up covering an area almost
38:34
Speaker 13: twice the size of Tasmania.
38:36
Speaker 2: So I really think.
38:38
Speaker 13: That this is eminently winnable. But it does need a sustained, consistent,
38:46
Speaker 13: day in, day out campaign, and that I assume is
38:49
Speaker 13: what the coalition is now going to mount.
38:52
Speaker 2: Two pass there, let them get to the right place,
38:55
Speaker 2: and then the questions will be have they got the
38:57
Speaker 2: right leader to prosecute that case. I'll leave it there, Tony,
39:02
Speaker 2: I'll let you off with that one. You'd like to
39:04
Speaker 2: be diplomatic, all right? That did I'll have to leave
39:06
Speaker 2: Breg melish. But he certainly gave a selvo to the
39:10
Speaker 2: Albanezi government. This is of course the outgoing RSL National
39:13
Speaker 2: President over the parloss state of Australia's defense spending. Since
39:18
Speaker 2: we are not prepared, should walk come our way? Right
39:21
Speaker 2: after the great powerful vision out of the South Australian
39:23
Speaker 2: Parliament Women's Forum staging a rally on the steps of
39:27
Speaker 2: the Parliament today saying no inmates, no trans inmates in
39:31
Speaker 2: women's prisons. That's coming out. Welcome back some good words
39:39
Speaker 2: with cal Richards tonight. They've got a Remembrance Day flavor
39:42
Speaker 2: to them. But first let's bring in my panel One
39:44
Speaker 2: Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and the Liberal member
39:47
Speaker 2: for Barker now Barker's in Regional South Australia, Rural South Australia,
39:51
Speaker 2: Tony Passon. We're going to get into a whole lot
39:54
Speaker 2: of other issues that are really important, but I can't
39:57
Speaker 2: help but ask you. You're in the party room today, Tony,
40:00
Speaker 2: how was the mood? I tell me what they said,
40:02
Speaker 2: but how is the mood of it colleagues, and what
40:05
Speaker 2: about the passion you saw from individuals?
40:09
Speaker 7: Well, it's always a great experience to listen to the
40:11
Speaker 7: contributions of colleagues, particularly that come to these debates from
40:15
Speaker 7: different perspectives. From all across the country. But the message
40:18
Speaker 7: I got loud and clear out of that meeting, Peter,
40:21
Speaker 7: is that colleagues overwhelmingly want to put affordable, reliable electricity
40:27
Speaker 7: at the heart of our energy policy. And I think
40:31
Speaker 7: that's a reflection of what Australians want. Australians want us
40:35
Speaker 7: to focus on that first and foremost, particularly in the
40:38
Speaker 7: middle of this cost of living crisis. So it was
40:41
Speaker 7: no surprise to me, and I'm looking forward to what
40:44
Speaker 7: comes out of the Shadow Executive meeting tomorrow, but I
40:50
Speaker 7: would be surprised if it didn't involve, thankfully, how dumping
40:54
Speaker 7: of the net zero policy.
40:58
Speaker 2: Well, mate, I leave these numbers resolved. Political monitor the
41:02
Speaker 2: later survey out today, thirty one percent want net zero gone.
41:07
Speaker 2: Thirty one percent from a standing start. Other than one
41:10
Speaker 2: nation in the National Party, no one else is out
41:11
Speaker 2: there arguing for that. So from a standing start, you've
41:13
Speaker 2: got a third of the country who want it gone.
41:16
Speaker 2: Fifteen percent are gettable, they're undecided, and I reckon some
41:19
Speaker 2: of the yeses, you can win them over. I mean
41:21
Speaker 2: that's almost better odds than you had with the voice,
41:24
Speaker 2: and with a bit of argument you won the voice.
41:28
Speaker 2: So that's the opportunity for you. Let's see if you
41:31
Speaker 2: can seize it. James Ashley, let's go to those numbers
41:34
Speaker 2: out today. For all the talk that Labor promised in
41:37
Speaker 2: the election, that can get these migration numbers down. You
41:41
Speaker 2: look at the detail. This is an analysis from the
41:43
Speaker 2: Institute of Public Affairs. Very clearly we are at September
41:49
Speaker 2: this year, just to September four hundred and fifteen thousand people.
41:55
Speaker 2: This is big Australia on steroids.
42:01
Speaker 14: Yeah, this is again magnificent work from the IPA members.
42:04
Speaker 14: If you're not one, you should join because it helps
42:07
Speaker 14: craft this important information that we all need to know
42:11
Speaker 14: as Australians. Look, I got a good lesson when I
42:13
Speaker 14: was at A and Peter on what it's like when
42:16
Speaker 14: you let too many people in. As a kid who
42:18
Speaker 14: or a young bloke who went to nightclubs, there was
42:21
Speaker 14: always a limit on how many people could be in
42:23
Speaker 14: a building, and if that limit was one hundred, there
42:26
Speaker 14: was a reason for it for safety, for the experience.
42:29
Speaker 14: You wanted to give club patrons a good experience. And look,
42:33
Speaker 14: there was plenty of times where I was stuck outside
42:35
Speaker 14: in that queue, just having to wait patiently until someone
42:38
Speaker 14: left for a cigarette and you'd go in right, And
42:41
Speaker 14: that was the thing that we did. Now the same
42:44
Speaker 14: rules apply when it comes to immigration. If we over
42:49
Speaker 14: commit people to this country, it just places too much
42:52
Speaker 14: pressure on everybody that's already here and it ruins the
42:56
Speaker 14: experience for everyone. And I think we're all going through
42:58
Speaker 14: that at the moment. So simple analogies like that they work,
43:02
Speaker 14: and I think it's what people understand. That is why
43:04
Speaker 14: people are hurting. That's why people are open to the
43:07
Speaker 14: discussion that I guess one nation's been ahead of the
43:10
Speaker 14: curb on this one for thirty years. We've been saying
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Speaker 14: we've got to watch the numbers of people we'd bring
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Speaker 14: into the country, and equally is important we have to
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Speaker 14: watch the types of people that come into the country
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Speaker 14: as well. But again this is labor putting their big,
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Speaker 14: big intake of migrants in and why are they doing that?
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Speaker 14: Largely well, they want the vote number one and number two.
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Speaker 14: They want to increase the number of parliamentarians before this
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Speaker 14: term of parliament's out. And why are they doing that
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Speaker 14: Because we've got a huge influx of people who have
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Speaker 14: come into the country and they try and make sure
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Speaker 14: that there's never any more than one hundred thousand voters
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Speaker 14: in any electorate. So that's why we're we're looking at
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Speaker 14: about an extra fifty fifty new parliamentarians.
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Speaker 2: Outrageous and that's of course why Tony Burke is holding
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Speaker 2: these mass citizenships there, you know, thousands of people at
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Speaker 2: one time, and that almost as they walk out the
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Speaker 2: door signing the form to enroll to vote. For that
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Speaker 2: exact reason that you're making that point there, let's go
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Speaker 2: to South Australia your homes. Tony a huge rally today
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Speaker 2: calling on the Premier who made these horrific comments. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Labour likes to talk a big game on protecting women
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Speaker 2: and they bang on about domestic violence and everything else,
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Speaker 2: very important topics, of course, but when asked about women
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Speaker 2: with allegations of abuses as women's women in women's prisons
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Speaker 2: and the abuse has been perpetrated by biological men who
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Speaker 2: are in there as trans inmates, the Premier said it's
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Speaker 2: a niche issue. Well, Nicole Flint, your former colleague took
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Speaker 2: him up on that today on the steps of the Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 12: If Premier Peter Malinowskis does not act in Parliament today
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Speaker 12: to protect the safety of all women, but particularly women
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Speaker 12: who are incarcerated in jail, to protect them from biological men.
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Speaker 12: Then all South Australians should know that they cannot trust
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Speaker 12: a word the Premier says when it comes to women safety.
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Speaker 2: So the Northern Territory, you know, she said the Chief Minister,
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Speaker 2: no blokes in women's prison. We're seeing that same response
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Speaker 2: in Tasmania now with word of a trans woman, a
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Speaker 2: biological man who raped a three year old child wanting
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Speaker 2: to be moved to a female's prison. But in your
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Speaker 2: state there's been more and more stories about abuse of
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Speaker 2: women in prison.
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Speaker 7: That's right, Peter.
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Speaker 9: I mean.
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Speaker 7: Women serving custodial sentences shouldn't be forced to share a
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Speaker 7: jail cell with a man. I mean, I can't believe
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Speaker 7: I'm having to say that. I think of my grandfather
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Speaker 7: who died in the late nineties. If he was listening
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Speaker 7: to this debate, he would surely think we've gone mad.
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Speaker 7: But the Premier seems to this decribe this as a
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Speaker 7: niche issue. Well, memo to the Premiere, this isn't a
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Speaker 7: niche issue. This is a substantive issue. Violence in any
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Speaker 7: form is inappropriate, but in that setting where the Premier
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Speaker 7: has responsibilities to people in custody. Is just completely unacceptable
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Speaker 7: and I'm quite surprised by it, Peter, because normally the Premier,
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Speaker 7: and I've got to give him credit for this, he's
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Speaker 7: normally on his line and length, he's smooth as a
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Speaker 7: cat's whiskers effectively. But for some reason, perhaps pressure within
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Speaker 7: his caucus from the left, he's just way off the
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Speaker 7: mark on this one. Lea Finocchiaro probably the leading politician
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Speaker 7: in Australia. I say that because of course she's Italian
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Speaker 7: of heritage and we do everything better, Peter, but she's
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Speaker 7: bang on when she says blokes go to male prisons
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Speaker 7: and that's it.
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Speaker 2: Spot on. I agree with you on Blanowskis. This is
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Speaker 2: a rare wrong foot from him, but he better turn
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Speaker 2: it around. I think it will absolutely dog him. I'll
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Speaker 2: leave you there, gents. I'm sorry we've been squeezed with
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Speaker 2: all that news. Out of camera. Let's take a quick break.
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Speaker 2: After the break, kell Riches Welcoback joining me as he
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Speaker 2: does on Wednesday, our Good Friend broadcast at Keil Richards
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Speaker 2: and Wordsmith too. We've been asked to have a bit
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Speaker 2: of a remembrance flavor to today, and we've got a
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Speaker 2: lovely one from Callum who says, given we've just marched
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Speaker 2: Remembrance Day, says, I've always wondered about the word cenotaph.
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Speaker 3: It means an empty tomb, and it's deliberately an empty tomb.
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Speaker 3: By being empty, can represent the deaths of many people.
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Speaker 3: Comes from an ancient Greek word. The first half of
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Speaker 3: the word means empty, the second half means tomb in Greek,
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Speaker 3: so an empty tomb, so it can represent a lot
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Speaker 3: of the departed.
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Speaker 2: Here's a word that I didn't really know until I
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Speaker 2: got into politics and I started turning up to Anzac
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Speaker 2: Day and Remembrance Day events. The Catafaulk Party explain what
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Speaker 2: that one is well.
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Speaker 3: Back in the sixteen hundreds, catapault came into English from
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Speaker 3: an identical French word, and it meant any sort of
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Speaker 3: structure raised to honor the dead. Originally it would have
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Speaker 3: been a temporary thing to put a coffin on, and
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Speaker 3: then it became any sort of structure of memorialized the dead.
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Speaker 3: A catapault party of people who stand on special occasions
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Speaker 3: at the catapult at the memorial. There's there was four
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Speaker 3: of them, one at each corner. Is the way it works.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 3: The word catafault comes, as I said, from French, and
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Speaker 3: there are related words in other European languages, and the
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Speaker 3: experts have no idea where it comes from. They are
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Speaker 3: completely baffled. I found one legs of coographer who thinks
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Speaker 3: it might come from a word related to the source
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Speaker 3: word for our word scaffold, which would make a bit
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Speaker 3: of sense, But so far he's persuaded no one else.
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Speaker 3: So if I asked the experts, they threw up the
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Speaker 3: hands and say, we're baffled.
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Speaker 2: That's what that picture up again. That looks to me
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Speaker 2: like Taran cott in Afghanistan, and that was the final service.
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Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. But people will have
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Speaker 2: seen this when they watch Anzac Day or they watch
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Speaker 2: Remembrance Day, and they watch the soldiers with their weapons
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Speaker 2: in all of those orchestrated very slow movements. That's what
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Speaker 2: the cattle fock party is, and it does in sort
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Speaker 2: of a procession form. This one absolutely does my head.
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Speaker 2: And if you're a journalist on Sky News or a reporter,
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Speaker 2: if you have got this wrong, you will have got
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Speaker 2: a message from me. There is one defense force. There
49:37
Speaker 2: are three services. Defense force is never plural, and the
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Speaker 2: forces the services are always plural. That one, I tell
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Speaker 2: you what gets me every time?
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Speaker 3: Can I explain the grammar behind it? The question is
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Speaker 3: whether the word force could be plural or not. It
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Speaker 3: can be, but only if they are competing, For forces
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Speaker 3: are pulling in different directions, as in competing forces pulled
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Speaker 3: him this way and that. But if they are united
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Speaker 3: force force pulling in the one direction, then no matter
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Speaker 3: how many component parts they have, they are one force.
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Speaker 2: It's just like the debate about governor generals, yes.
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Speaker 3: Or trades union trades union.
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Speaker 2: Remember that one, Yes, yes, yes, gotta leave it there.
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Speaker 2: They're in my ear kel. I'll leave it there, see
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Speaker 2: you next week. That's it for me, see tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Here's Andrew