Latest / DISGRACELAND / Judas Priest: Satanic Panic, Censorship, Heavy Metal Suicide, and Defenders of the Faith
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- 0:00Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.
- 0:03Speaker 1: Please check the show notes for more information. Disgraceland is
- 0:07Speaker 1: a production of Double Elvis. This is a story about death,
- 0:20Speaker 1: about suicide, censorship, idolatry, in the ruination of souls. It's
- 0:27Speaker 1: a story about Satan and Saint Michael, about leather studs
- 0:31Speaker 1: and cloved hoofs, and about heavy metal, specifically about heavy
- 0:38Speaker 1: metal icons. Judas Priest, a band who made great music.
- 0:45Speaker 1: Unlike that music. I played a few at the top
- 0:47Speaker 1: of the show that wasn't great music. That was a
- 0:51Speaker 1: preset loop from my melotron called Dead Eyed and muscle
- 0:54Speaker 1: Bound MK.
- 0:56Speaker 2: Two.
- 0:57Speaker 1: I played you that loop because the rights to say
- 1:01Speaker 1: You Say Me by Lionel Richie. And why would I
- 1:04Speaker 1: play you that specific slice of it? Ain't easy like
- 1:08Speaker 1: Sunday Morning Cheese anymore? Could I afford it? Because that
- 1:14Speaker 1: was the number one song in America on December twenty third,
- 1:17Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, and that was the day the two
- 1:20Speaker 1: young metal heads put a shotgun to their heads and
- 1:23Speaker 1: threatened not only their own existence but the future existence
- 1:27Speaker 1: of heavy metal. On this episode, suicide censorship, Satanic Panic,
- 1:34Speaker 1: Saint Michael, and the defenders of the faith. Judas priest,
- 1:39Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan, and this is disgraceland. The young rocker
- 2:08Speaker 1: didn't know it yet, but he was a metalhead. It
- 2:12Speaker 1: was nineteen sixty nine and that term wouldn't come about
- 2:15Speaker 1: for another decade or so. But here in this Birmingham,
- 2:18Speaker 1: England church, he felt the heaviness. It tangled with a
- 2:23Speaker 1: very real sense of beauty, and that beauty was working
- 2:27Speaker 1: hard for itself, like a rare sunny day in the
- 2:30Speaker 1: dreary Midlands where he grew up, the light in the dark,
- 2:34Speaker 1: hope and gloom, and inside that contrast there was irony.
- 2:40Speaker 1: After all, this was a funeral. How could a funeral
- 2:45Speaker 1: be beautiful, especially a funeral for a kid? He didn't know.
- 2:50Speaker 1: It just was the saints above, their images cut and
- 2:54Speaker 1: kilmed into the stained glass windows, stared down at him.
- 2:58Speaker 1: The young metal head knew that the intended effect was warmth,
- 3:02Speaker 1: but right now, in his dirty denim with his long hair,
- 3:06Speaker 1: all he felt was judgment. Sitting among the square, working
- 3:09Speaker 1: class members of this community, he tried to remember the
- 3:13Speaker 1: ten commandments. Thou shalt not kill. That was one of them,
- 3:17Speaker 1: he was certain, but which one? And was there a
- 3:21Speaker 1: commandment that forbade one from killing oneself? The van rattled violently.
- 3:30Speaker 1: This machine wasn't built for speed, not this amount of
- 3:34Speaker 1: speed anyway, and his driver wasn't built for this world,
- 3:37Speaker 1: or so the kid thought. But that was okay, because
- 3:41Speaker 1: this world was about to end. That was a week
- 3:49Speaker 1: ago over in Hampstead Hill. The kid couldn't take it.
- 3:53Speaker 1: He drove his van as fast as he could into
- 3:55Speaker 1: a telephone kiosk on purpose. No amount of light was
- 3:59Speaker 1: going to over come as darkness, and there was no
- 4:02Speaker 1: more hope, only gloom. Evil a triumphed over good, despair
- 4:07Speaker 1: and certitude over faith. And now, at just eighteen years
- 4:12Speaker 1: of age, young John Perry was dead, and so were
- 4:16Speaker 1: the prospects of Birmingham's most promising young band of rockers,
- 4:21Speaker 1: Judas Priest. It was a damn shame, thought the young
- 4:25Speaker 1: metal Head would suicide kill Judas Priest, dead hanging from
- 4:31Speaker 1: a tree in the field of blood like Judas Iscariot.
- 4:35Speaker 1: Or would Judas Priest resurrect itself like Lazarus, or better yet,
- 4:40Speaker 1: like the man himself, the first rock star, Jesus Christ
- 4:45Speaker 1: Resurrection inspired. Maybe the young metal Head would replace John
- 4:50Speaker 1: Perry on guitar and judas priest. Should they continue? Thoughts
- 4:54Speaker 1: of resurrection continued and bled out from the organist stabs
- 4:58Speaker 1: at the Mighty Pipe organ soundtrack of Ambition and Grief,
- 5:02Speaker 1: and the organist rolled his head atop his slight shoulder
- 5:05Speaker 1: frame as he played. He looked up in a trance,
- 5:08Speaker 1: up at the icons and stained glass and the Saints
- 5:11Speaker 1: and disciples staring down at the mourners. Jesus's disciples, the
- 5:17Speaker 1: world's first groupies. That was it. Thou shalt have no
- 5:22Speaker 1: other gods before me, That was the first commandment. No
- 5:26Speaker 1: hero worship, no idols. It seems strange to the young
- 5:30Speaker 1: metal head looking up at the Bible's heroes looking down
- 5:33Speaker 1: at him. He supposed it was all easily explainable. The
- 5:37Speaker 1: Saints and Disciples weren't being worshiped, But what about Saint Michael.
- 5:42Speaker 1: The congregation leaned into the petition as one.
- 5:46Speaker 2: Saint Michael, the Archangel defend us at beur protection against
- 5:51Speaker 2: the wickedness and snares of the devil, Nay, God reviewed him.
- 5:55Speaker 2: We helply pray and do Thou, o, Prince of the
- 5:58Speaker 2: Heavenly Hosts, by the power of God, cast into health,
- 6:02Speaker 2: Satan and all the evil spirits who proud about the
- 6:06Speaker 2: world seeking the ruin of souls.
- 6:08Speaker 1: A man the ruin of souls? Now that was some
- 6:14Speaker 1: heavy shit. Saint Michael wasn't being worshiped, he was being
- 6:18Speaker 1: called upon to protect us. But what about the rock
- 6:21Speaker 1: stars he and his friends worshiped and idolized? What about
- 6:25Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix and that young local guitar god in the making,
- 6:30Speaker 1: Tony Iomi from Black Sabbath. Was he, this young metal
- 6:34Speaker 1: head here, guilty of hero worship himself, of idolatry, of
- 6:38Speaker 1: putting his gods before his God? Or was he just
- 6:43Speaker 1: a disciple maybe someday an archangel himself, or a heavy
- 6:47Speaker 1: metal saint KK Downey guitar player for Judas priest, sent
- 6:53Speaker 1: to protect rockers everywhere from the wickedness of shitty pop music.
- 6:59Speaker 1: Or was he just another evil spirit wandering through the
- 7:03Speaker 1: world for the ruin of souls? Leather Boys, Big Studs,
- 7:12Speaker 1: sn M Giants, Beasts among weaker bands, Rob Halford Junius
- 7:18Speaker 1: Priest singer papered the wall the coal hearn Arms Pub
- 7:21Speaker 1: a good distance from its iconic jshape bar, and took
- 7:25Speaker 1: in the scene wild, gorgeous gay men everywhere, and all
- 7:30Speaker 1: there for the same thing, liberation in whatever form they desired.
- 7:36Speaker 1: Almost anything went within the walls of coal hearn arms.
- 7:39Speaker 1: That is, of course, if they could keep the coppers out.
- 7:43Speaker 1: Homosexuality was partially decriminalized in England in nineteen sixty seven,
- 7:47Speaker 1: but that meant that it was still partially criminal in
- 7:50Speaker 1: the late seventies, So best keep your head on a
- 7:52Speaker 1: swivel for any rating bobbies looking to crack skulls. Violence,
- 7:57Speaker 1: the threat of it, and the stories about it. The
- 8:00Speaker 1: thrill of it was always prevalent. The thrill was why
- 8:04Speaker 1: rob was there. The men in leather, they were something
- 8:08Speaker 1: to look at, or to look up at, rather the
- 8:11Speaker 1: way they dressed head to toe in black leather and
- 8:14Speaker 1: studs over their muscular physiques, all of their muscles alive
- 8:19Speaker 1: except their faces. Their faces expressed dead, calm like bedrock,
- 8:25Speaker 1: but their eyes reflected fire in dominance. Then they moved
- 8:29Speaker 1: through the club like big game, slow plodding and oblivious
- 8:34Speaker 1: to the hunt. Disco Blared men made small talk about
- 8:38Speaker 1: safe words and sex crimes, where the best amal night
- 8:42Speaker 1: trade could be procured, News and mutilations out by the docks.
- 8:46Speaker 1: Floor shows over in the States, New York City's Rough
- 8:49Speaker 1: Trade was a different cut. Manhattan's Anvil Nightclub supposedly featured
- 8:54Speaker 1: cris gooed fists, fucking the willing and able on all
- 8:57Speaker 1: fours right there in public on Saturday nights, and the
- 9:00Speaker 1: Anvil it wasn't even a full time gay bar. Not
- 9:04Speaker 1: that New York City didn't have its problems, it did,
- 9:08Speaker 1: But London was different. London was more conservative, and here
- 9:13Speaker 1: in the Colhern Arms it was strictly leather. No policemen,
- 9:18Speaker 1: no firemen, no construction workers, and no fucking Indians. It
- 9:23Speaker 1: was all leather, just like where Rob Halford grew up
- 9:28Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five miles away in Walsall, home
- 9:31Speaker 1: of a thriving leather manufacturing industry, a town where not
- 9:35Speaker 1: everyone was gay like Rob, but where most everyone wore leather,
- 9:40Speaker 1: and now so too with the straight boys and Rob's
- 9:43Speaker 1: band Judas Priest nineteen eighty was on the horizon, and
- 9:49Speaker 1: so were Judas Priests heavy metal fortunes. They'd broken out
- 9:53Speaker 1: of their hometown of Birmingham with their debut album rock
- 9:56Speaker 1: a Rolla and then a string of solid seventies long players,
- 10:00Speaker 1: but in order to truly break internationally in order to
- 10:04Speaker 1: achieve heavy metal icon status like Black Sabbath, their Birmingham predecessors,
- 10:09Speaker 1: who literally invented the genre of heavy metal from their
- 10:12Speaker 1: shared hometown. In order to do that, Judas Priest needed
- 10:16Speaker 1: something different, something beyond big riffs, defiant boogie and vengeful screams.
- 10:23Speaker 1: They needed great music, yes, and their next album, British Steel,
- 10:27Speaker 1: was indeed filled with great music, particularly the planned singles
- 10:32Speaker 1: Breaking the Law and Living After Midnight. But if Judas
- 10:37Speaker 1: Priest wanted to be iconic, they not only had a
- 10:40Speaker 1: sound iconic, they needed to look iconic. KK Downeing, Priest
- 10:45Speaker 1: guitar player, encouraged Rob Halferd to lean into not only
- 10:49Speaker 1: his leather roots from back in Walsall, but his leather
- 10:52Speaker 1: passionate the colhern arms as well and at all the
- 10:55Speaker 1: other leather bars rob as a closet and gay man
- 10:58Speaker 1: frequented while the band was on tour, and thus Judas
- 11:02Speaker 1: Priests badass heavy metal image was born there. It was
- 11:07Speaker 1: right there on the back of nineteen eighty's British Steel,
- 11:11Speaker 1: Rob Halford decked out from head to toe and skin
- 11:13Speaker 1: tight leather, straddling the microphone stand. KK Downing mid slash
- 11:18Speaker 1: of his flying V guitar, with studded leather bands running
- 11:21Speaker 1: up his forearms across the flesh of his exposed midriff.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Glenn Tipton on his black strat, with his black leather
- 11:28Speaker 1: jacket opened to reveal his chest. Bassist Ian Hill holding
- 11:32Speaker 1: it down, clad fully in black like some hard as
- 11:35Speaker 1: nail Saxon Warrior, propelled by Dave Holland leering over his
- 11:39Speaker 1: black kit. The look was and still is iconic. It
- 11:44Speaker 1: inspired a heavy metal uniform of sorts. Millions of metal heads,
- 11:49Speaker 1: most of them hetero, a minority of them surely homophobic.
- 11:52Speaker 1: From the day British Steel was released in April of
- 11:55Speaker 1: nineteen eighty were dressed in the same leather and studs.
- 11:58Speaker 1: Rob Halford Nick from the gay leather bars that he
- 12:01Speaker 1: hung out in once again. KK Downing was not oblivious
- 12:06Speaker 1: to the irony, but he, like the rest of Judas Priest,
- 12:10Speaker 1: who at the dawn of the new decade, were in
- 12:12Speaker 1: the midst of unprecedented success, was oblivious to the release
- 12:16Speaker 1: of a book from that same year, a book called
- 12:20Speaker 1: Michelle Remembers, a book that detailed violence and wandering evil
- 12:25Speaker 1: spirits in a way that no leather bar could ever
- 12:28Speaker 1: portend a book that would create in the United States
- 12:32Speaker 1: and Canada a Satanic panic, one that would ensnare judas priest,
- 12:37Speaker 1: just like the devil himself in the Ruin of not one,
- 12:41Speaker 1: but two teenage souls. Satan wants you, and he's coming
- 13:13Speaker 1: for you in a million different ways. Sometimes he's successful.
- 13:18Speaker 1: Sometimes Saint Michael in his celestial choir fight him off
- 13:21Speaker 1: and drown him out. Michelle remembers a book published in
- 13:26Speaker 1: nineteen eighty written by psychiatrist Larry Paster and his patient,
- 13:30Speaker 1: Michelle Smith, would have the world believe that Satan was
- 13:34Speaker 1: coming for their children at their daycare centers. The book
- 13:39Speaker 1: detailed Michelle's story as recounted to Pasitor through what was
- 13:43Speaker 1: called recovered memory therapy, a practice that has been since
- 13:47Speaker 1: denounced by the psychiatric community. Regardless, Michelle detailed her Satanic
- 13:53Speaker 1: possession from the age of five, when her parents handed
- 13:56Speaker 1: her over to a Satanic cult or her daycare center
- 14:01Speaker 1: in Saskatchewan, a Canadian province, mutilations, ritual murders, the killing
- 14:07Speaker 1: and torture of little children, babies. Even it led to
- 14:11Speaker 1: a case known as the Martinsville Nightmare, in which Michelle's
- 14:16Speaker 1: daycare center was investigated for satanic ritual abuse. Ultimately, nine
- 14:22Speaker 1: people from that daycare center faced charges, despite there being
- 14:25Speaker 1: no real evidence of any wrongdoing. Two women spent years
- 14:29Speaker 1: in prison before being exonerated. Several men, under pressure pleaded
- 14:34Speaker 1: guilty to lesser charges, and decades later, the prosecutions were
- 14:38Speaker 1: condemned as a miscarriage of justice and the convictions were overturned,
- 14:43Speaker 1: but of course the damage was by then long since done.
- 14:50Speaker 1: The lack of evidence that led to these convictions didn't
- 14:52Speaker 1: stop law enforcement in Canada and in the United States
- 14:55Speaker 1: due to the popularity of the Martinsville Nightmare case and
- 14:57Speaker 1: of the book Michelle remembers from it, instituting mandatory training
- 15:01Speaker 1: sessions for their officers on how to identify the signs
- 15:05Speaker 1: of satanic ritual abuse. Throughout North American suburbia, cops, teachers,
- 15:12Speaker 1: and others and positions of authority were all keyed up
- 15:15Speaker 1: on satanic panic and on high alert, searching for signs
- 15:19Speaker 1: of devil worship among their children and those influencing their kids.
- 15:23Speaker 1: And according to the norms in charge, there was plenty
- 15:26Speaker 1: to look for. Horned hands, goat headed figures, occult symbols,
- 15:31Speaker 1: ritualistic ephemera, candles, bondage, leather. It sounded like the cover
- 15:37Speaker 1: of an early eighties heavy metal album. Judas Priests didn't
- 15:41Speaker 1: go in for the whole horned hands, goat head bit,
- 15:44Speaker 1: but that didn't mean others like Venom didn't. As far
- 15:48Speaker 1: as other occult symbolism. Both Figurati Van Literal ACDC released
- 15:53Speaker 1: an album that was entirely black, and they wrote it
- 15:55Speaker 1: up to charts partly on the back of a single
- 15:58Speaker 1: entitled Hell's Bells. This album, Back in Black, became the
- 16:03Speaker 1: best selling record of all time, only to be supplanted
- 16:06Speaker 1: shortly thereafter by none other than Michael Jackson in his
- 16:09Speaker 1: album Thriller def Leopard. Another promising heavy metal band from Sheffield, England,
- 16:15Speaker 1: a band that toured with Judas Priest in their early years,
- 16:18Speaker 1: released a record in nineteen eighty three called Pyromania. The
- 16:22Speaker 1: cover of that record a building in the crosshairs, its
- 16:25Speaker 1: top floors engulfed in a hellish inferno, And of course
- 16:30Speaker 1: there was Judas Priest from British Steel in nineteen eighty onward,
- 16:35Speaker 1: the band's image leaned even more fully into the leather
- 16:38Speaker 1: and studs walk into any metal heads Bedroom in the
- 16:44Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties, and he or she was likely to
- 16:47Speaker 1: have ACDC, Deaf Leopard and Judas Priest albums lying around.
- 16:52Speaker 1: But bands like ACDC and Deaf Leopards sold massively, Judas
- 16:56Speaker 1: Priest did not. Their record sold well, but as far
- 17:00Speaker 1: as popularity goes, compared to the Young Brothers and the
- 17:03Speaker 1: Boys from Sheffield, Priest was second tier at the record
- 17:07Speaker 1: store checkout line. Their excellent album Defenders of the Faith,
- 17:11Speaker 1: only sold eight hundred thousand copies upon release. But none
- 17:16Speaker 1: of this means Priest weren't rock stars. They absolutely were,
- 17:20Speaker 1: and at this particular moment in nineteen eighty five, while
- 17:24Speaker 1: in the Bahamas, posted up at a resort bar on
- 17:26Speaker 1: break from recording their follow up to Defenders of the Faith,
- 17:29Speaker 1: the band was surrounded by groupies and not only were
- 17:33Speaker 1: they signing autographs and signing the breasts of their autograph seekers,
- 17:37Speaker 1: they were also signing the babies of one of the
- 17:39Speaker 1: women who sought their autographs, literally signing the heads of
- 17:43Speaker 1: twin newborns. But such hero worship was quickly brought to
- 17:49Speaker 1: an end by the news on the television screen up
- 17:52Speaker 1: above the bar, there was Tipper Gore the wife of
- 17:56Speaker 1: Democratic Senator Al Gore from Tennessee, and the head of
- 17:59Speaker 1: a new organization called the PMRC, short for the Parents
- 18:05Speaker 1: Music Resource Center, an organization whose mission was to increase
- 18:09Speaker 1: quote parental control over children's access to music deemed to
- 18:13Speaker 1: have violent, drug related, or sexual themes unquote. The question was, though,
- 18:20Speaker 1: who decides which content is harmful and which isn't. Essentially,
- 18:25Speaker 1: the PMRC was a censorship organization created by a board
- 18:29Speaker 1: housewife from Tennessee. Joseph Cors, the owner of Coors Beers,
- 18:34Speaker 1: and Mike Love, the singer from The Beach Boys, helped
- 18:37Speaker 1: fund the PMRC, But before Tipper Gore felt her calling
- 18:43Speaker 1: to found such an organization, she was sitting in rush
- 18:46Speaker 1: hour traffic in Washington, d C. With her eleven year
- 18:49Speaker 1: old daughter, Carrie. Carrie wanted to listen to the new
- 18:52Speaker 1: cassette Tipper had bought for Purple Rain by Prince and
- 18:56Speaker 1: the Revolution. The slinky sexy beat kicked the song in,
- 19:02Speaker 1: and Tipper nodded her head behind the wheel, no doubt
- 19:05Speaker 1: out of time. Her daughter seated next to her, grooved innocently.
- 19:09Speaker 1: The first verse started, and Prince sang I knew a
- 19:14Speaker 1: girl named Nikki. I guess he could say she was
- 19:16Speaker 1: a sex feed. Wait a minute, what what did he
- 19:20Speaker 1: just say? Before the senator's wife could register what was happening,
- 19:24Speaker 1: Prince hit the second line of the first verse. I
- 19:27Speaker 1: met her in a hotel lobby masturbating with a magazine.
- 19:31Speaker 1: What the hell was happening? Tipper slammed the stopajack button
- 19:36Speaker 1: on the car stereo. She then pulled over to examine
- 19:38Speaker 1: the cassette art and find the lyrics to make sure
- 19:40Speaker 1: she wasn't hearing things. But she was out of luck.
- 19:43Speaker 1: The lyrics weren't printed on the Purple Rain album, and
- 19:46Speaker 1: Tipper Gore would have to do her research at a
- 19:48Speaker 1: later date, without her daughter by her side, perhaps with
- 19:52Speaker 1: the good Senator al behind closed doors. This was the
- 19:57Speaker 1: backdrop to the testimony Tipper Gore was now delivering in
- 20:00Speaker 1: front of the US Senate on live television, per and
- 20:04Speaker 1: her colleague's words being broadcast out across the bar about
- 20:07Speaker 1: some of that Bahamian bar's clientele at the moment, the
- 20:10Speaker 1: members of Jewish priest Susan Baker, Tipper Gore's co founder
- 20:15Speaker 1: at the PMRC, and the wife of then Treasury Secretary
- 20:19Speaker 1: James Baker presented briefing materials to the senators that fingered
- 20:24Speaker 1: Judas Priest as part of the problem, particularly as it
- 20:28Speaker 1: pertained to the issue of sado masochism and the occults
- 20:31Speaker 1: in the genre of heavy metal. It seemed that the
- 20:34Speaker 1: PMRC had quickly expanded their self assigned mandate from warnings
- 20:38Speaker 1: about violence, drugs and sets to include the occult as
- 20:42Speaker 1: well as the influence of the devil in popular music.
- 20:46Speaker 1: I have no way of proving it, but I would
- 20:49Speaker 1: bet a healthy amount of cash that Susan Baker and
- 20:52Speaker 1: Tipper Gore have been part of some DC wives book
- 20:55Speaker 1: club that recommended the book. Michelle remembers at one point
- 20:58Speaker 1: before the formation the PMRC regarding the occult i e. Satanism.
- 21:05Speaker 1: Other metal bands in addition to Judas Priest, Wasp and
- 21:08Speaker 1: Venom to name two, were listed as part of the
- 21:11Speaker 1: pmr c's Notorious Filthy fifteen, a list of fifteen songs
- 21:16Speaker 1: by artists from all genres that the PMRC found to
- 21:20Speaker 1: be egregiously objectionable. The artists, the songs, and the objectionable
- 21:25Speaker 1: lyrical content went as follows. Number one Prince Darling, Nicky,
- 21:31Speaker 1: Sex and Masturbation. Number two on the list, Sheena Easton
- 21:35Speaker 1: Sugar Walls. Lyrical content that they found offensive was sex,
- 21:39Speaker 1: Judas Priest coming into number three, Eat Me Alive, suppose
- 21:43Speaker 1: the defensive lyrical content sex and violence number four, Vanity
- 21:48Speaker 1: strap On, Robbie Baby, sex number five, Motley Crue Bastard,
- 21:54Speaker 1: violence and language number six, ACDC, let Me put my
- 21:58Speaker 1: Love into You sex number seven, Twisted Sister, We're not
- 22:02Speaker 1: gonna take it. Violence number eight, Madonna, Dress You Up.
- 22:07Speaker 1: Sex number nine, wasp animal parentheses, fuck like a Beast
- 22:13Speaker 1: sex language, violence number ten, def Leopard high and dry parentheses,
- 22:18Speaker 1: Saturday Night drug and alcohol use number eleven, Merciful Fate
- 22:21Speaker 1: into the Coven. The lyrics supposedly repped the occult number twelve,
- 22:25Speaker 1: Black Sabbath Trashed, drug and alcohol use number thirteen, Mary Jane,
- 22:29Speaker 1: Girls in My House Sex fourteen, Venom possessed the occult
- 22:35Speaker 1: number fifteen Cindi Lauper, she Bop sex and masturbation. Now.
- 22:44Speaker 1: The lyrics to Judas Priests Eat Me Alive are kind
- 22:48Speaker 1: of aim if I'm being honest, They sort of read
- 22:51Speaker 1: like a sophomore stab at Prince's sexuality. The lyrics are comical.
- 22:56Speaker 1: They go bound to deliver as you give and I
- 22:59Speaker 1: collect squealing in passion as the rod of Steel injects. Okay, dude,
- 23:05Speaker 1: try saying that to your wife after date night this
- 23:07Speaker 1: weekend when you're hoping to get laid, and see how
- 23:09Speaker 1: far you get. I'm not gay, but I would bet
- 23:11Speaker 1: the dudes don't find this hot in any real way either,
- 23:14Speaker 1: even the leather Boys. I'm sure they have their own
- 23:16Speaker 1: version of over the top, but I'm betting it's less
- 23:18Speaker 1: silly than the rot of Steel in jects. To his credit,
- 23:23Speaker 1: Rob Halford likened the songs ridiculously over sexualized lyrics to
- 23:27Speaker 1: spinal Tap. He said that the song was tongue in
- 23:30Speaker 1: cheek about a consensual, over the top sexual fantasy. My
- 23:34Speaker 1: point in all of this, I guess, is that I
- 23:37Speaker 1: find the inclusion of eat Me Alive, along with a
- 23:40Speaker 1: couple others on this list of Philthy fifteen, positively laughable.
- 23:45Speaker 1: Including such a cartoonish come on on the list speaks
- 23:48Speaker 1: directly to the fundamental unseriousness of Tipper Gore in her
- 23:51Speaker 1: organization and the senators who took her seriously. For that matter,
- 23:56Speaker 1: at the hearing, Senator Paula Hawkins a Republican from Florida
- 24:00Speaker 1: cited Judas Priest by name no doubt, looking for whatever
- 24:03Speaker 1: free press and covered to TV time she could gin
- 24:05Speaker 1: up and the Senator describe Judas Priest as quote representative
- 24:09Speaker 1: of the most extreme examples of violent and sexual content
- 24:13Speaker 1: and rock. With this hearing, the PMRC was trying to
- 24:19Speaker 1: get the record industry to agree to a content warning system,
- 24:23Speaker 1: a label on albums with lyrics these suburban moms deemed
- 24:27Speaker 1: sexually explicit, violent, drug related, or otherwise offensive. A couple
- 24:33Speaker 1: other things came out of this hearing. One the Great
- 24:36Speaker 1: Frank Zappa, testified against the PMRC and pretty much torched them.
- 24:41Speaker 1: The PMRC proposal is an ill conceived piece of nonsense
- 24:45Speaker 1: which fails to deliver any real benefits to children, infringes
- 24:49Speaker 1: the civil liberties of people who are not children, and
- 24:52Speaker 1: promises to keep the courts busy for years. He said.
- 24:56Speaker 1: The PMRC was eager to have John Denver testify that he,
- 25:00Speaker 1: being the wholesome, bespectacled singer songwriter that he was, would
- 25:04Speaker 1: side with them, but that ploy backfired. Denver testified that
- 25:09Speaker 1: censorship was a slippery slope, recalling how his own innocuous
- 25:13Speaker 1: song Rocky Mountain High had once been falsely accused of
- 25:16Speaker 1: promoting drug use. However, despite such testimony, the RAA, that's
- 25:24Speaker 1: the Recording Industry Association of America, was in fact moved
- 25:28Speaker 1: to include a warning sticker on records deemed to contain
- 25:32Speaker 1: explicit content, the now infamous black and white Parental Advisory label.
- 25:38Speaker 1: In an exchange with Republican Senator Slade Gordon from Washington,
- 25:43Speaker 1: Frank Zappo was asked about the supposed existence of subliminal
- 25:47Speaker 1: messages on albums, secret messages planted there by musicians to
- 25:53Speaker 1: inspire children to turn to the devil. Zaba replied correctly
- 25:58Speaker 1: that no one empirical evidence existed to prove subliminal messaging
- 26:03Speaker 1: existed on rock or heavy metal or any other records.
- 26:10Speaker 1: Back in the Bahamas KK downing of Judas Priests leaned
- 26:13Speaker 1: back on his beachside barstool and considered what had just
- 26:17Speaker 1: transpired on CNN concerning his band. It was all rubbish.
- 26:22Speaker 1: The PMRC and the senators who were buying into their bullshit,
- 26:26Speaker 1: and the record industry that was caving to their arbitrary
- 26:29Speaker 1: censorship demands were painting him in. His bandmates and his
- 26:34Speaker 1: friends and fellow musicians, as evildoers, as degenerates, prowling about
- 26:39Speaker 1: for the ruin of souls. KK Downing wasn't in league
- 26:43Speaker 1: with Satan. Neither were any of the other groups mentioned
- 26:46Speaker 1: at that hearing, and that includes Venom, despite their song
- 26:50Speaker 1: entitled in League with Satan. KK Downing was in this
- 26:54Speaker 1: business to sell records, to be a heavy metal icon,
- 26:58Speaker 1: like Tony Iomi before him and Jimmy Hendricks before him,
- 27:02Speaker 1: and despite whatever so called negative press this hearing would
- 27:05Speaker 1: lay at the feet of Judas Priest. KK was smart
- 27:08Speaker 1: enough to know that warning labels on records would only
- 27:12Speaker 1: mean more record sales. He smiled and sipped his cocktail.
- 27:20Speaker 1: Thousands of miles away. In a working class bedroom in Sparks, Nevada,
- 27:24Speaker 1: two metal heads eighteen year old Raymond Bellknapp and twenty
- 27:28Speaker 1: year old James Vance, lay back on the shag rug
- 27:32Speaker 1: stoned out of their minds and took in the sounds
- 27:35Speaker 1: of Judas Priest stained class while the devil readied himself,
- 27:46Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. We're, we're, we're. It
- 27:57Speaker 1: was the unforgivable sin despair. Judas Priest didn't say that
- 28:04Speaker 1: the whiskey Priest said that the main character from Graham
- 28:08Speaker 1: Green's excellent nineteen forty novel The Power and the Glory.
- 28:15Speaker 1: Raymond Belna and James Vance, forty five years later, had
- 28:19Speaker 1: no doubt never heard that literary quote, but they had
- 28:22Speaker 1: heard Judas Priest and right now. On December twenty third,
- 28:26Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, they were loaded up on weed and
- 28:29Speaker 1: cans of cheap domestic beer, endlessly spinning Judas Priest nineteen
- 28:34Speaker 1: seventy eight albums Stained Class. Specifically, they were spinning Priest
- 28:39Speaker 1: cover of Spooky Tooths better by You, Better than Me,
- 28:43Speaker 1: the third song on side one. Life sucked for Raymond
- 28:47Speaker 1: and James, and the Judas Priest records seemed to confirm
- 28:51Speaker 1: that fact, or at least it soundtracked the confirmation they
- 28:54Speaker 1: received from the drugs and the alcohol. Raymond had been
- 28:58Speaker 1: telling anyone who'd listened about the despair. He'd come to
- 29:01Speaker 1: accept this his lot, no job, no girl. So for
- 29:05Speaker 1: young Raymond here that meant no nothing. James was in
- 29:09Speaker 1: the same boat, but James, being the older of the two,
- 29:13Speaker 1: was the idea man. He had a solution. They killed themselves.
- 29:19Speaker 1: Fuck this, fuck life, fuck worrying about the future, fuck
- 29:24Speaker 1: never getting laid. James was serious. He'd do it if
- 29:28Speaker 1: Raymond would. Who was Raymond to argue? James always knew
- 29:32Speaker 1: what was best. It was James who turned Raymond onto
- 29:36Speaker 1: judus priest. Raymond wanted to know when fucking now, dick
- 29:42Speaker 1: wad oh okay. Raymond was surprised, but he was still
- 29:47Speaker 1: in James grabbed his stepdad's sawed off twelve gage. Out
- 29:51Speaker 1: back there was an old Pentecostal church, and Raymond pulled
- 29:55Speaker 1: some beers from the fridge and they both stumbled outdoors
- 29:58Speaker 1: toward the church's playground. It was the right thing to do,
- 30:01Speaker 1: James explained. There was no fucking cavalry coming for them,
- 30:05Speaker 1: no guardian angels, no celestial choir, no intercession from Saint Michael,
- 30:12Speaker 1: just gloom. Who was Raymond to argue? They sat on
- 30:17Speaker 1: the church playgrounds. Rickety Merry go round. Raymond had to
- 30:21Speaker 1: go first, James explained. Raymond took James's word as gospel.
- 30:26Speaker 1: He grabbed the twelve gage, crushed what was left of
- 30:29Speaker 1: his beer, pointed the shotgun to his throat, and James
- 30:33Speaker 1: looked on, half in shock, half with morbid curiosity. Raymond's
- 30:38Speaker 1: eyes tightened into a focus James hadn't seen in weeks,
- 30:42Speaker 1: and James nodded, as if to vouchsafe the pact. Then
- 30:46Speaker 1: Raymond pulled the trigger. The top of his head blasted
- 30:51Speaker 1: up above the Merry Go Round and rained down quickly
- 30:54Speaker 1: on the scrubby, hallowed ground. Fear fired its way up
- 30:57Speaker 1: into James's chest, speeding his heart to a raid. He'd
- 31:00Speaker 1: never felt. Panic momentarily overtook despair. Flight had vanquished whatever
- 31:06Speaker 1: fight James had in reserve. He knew he'd be blamed
- 31:10Speaker 1: for this. He couldn't accept that he'd grabbed the shotgun
- 31:13Speaker 1: from his friend's death clutch, pointed the gun under his
- 31:16Speaker 1: own chin, and he looked around the churchyard. He looked
- 31:19Speaker 1: beyond to his stepfather's house, and beyond that to Sparks, Nevada,
- 31:24Speaker 1: and all he saw was despair. And that's when James
- 31:30Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. All right, discuys w We're about eighty
- 31:48Speaker 1: percent through this Judas Priest story, and we haven't touched
- 31:51Speaker 1: on one of the darkest chapters yet, the shocking arrest
- 31:54Speaker 1: of Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland on charges of indecent
- 31:57Speaker 1: assault and attempted rape. Details and the outcome. They don't
- 32:02Speaker 1: quite fit into this story we're telling here in this
- 32:05Speaker 1: main episode, but they're too important and too disturbing to ignore.
- 32:10Speaker 1: That's why today's exclusive mini episode is all about that
- 32:14Speaker 1: Dave Holland's story and what really happened and how it
- 32:17Speaker 1: shook Judas Priest fans to their core. To hear it,
- 32:20Speaker 1: you've got to be a Disgraceland All Access member. It's
- 32:22Speaker 1: five ninety nine at disgrace landpod dot com and it
- 32:25Speaker 1: unlocks ad free episodes plus more exclusives just like this one.
- 32:30Speaker 1: All right, Back to our story, Famed record producer Eddie Kramer,
- 32:39Speaker 1: about as expert a witness as one could get on
- 32:42Speaker 1: the art and the science of recording technology, sat in
- 32:46Speaker 1: his studio with the members of Judas Priest. They were
- 32:49Speaker 1: painstakingly analyzing the sound of their version of Spooky Tooths
- 32:53Speaker 1: Better by You Better than Me being played backward. Eddie
- 32:57Speaker 1: Kramer and the band were engaged in this ridiculous section
- 33:00Speaker 1: because Judas Priest and their record label CBS were being
- 33:03Speaker 1: sued in civil court by the families of James Vance
- 33:06Speaker 1: and Raymond Bellknapp. Raymond bell Knapp died but James Vance survived.
- 33:12Speaker 1: Albeit horribly disfigured, and he claimed that Judas Priest's lyrics
- 33:16Speaker 1: gave him the idea for the suicide Pact. The suit
- 33:20Speaker 1: claimed that the band had purposefully included the phrase do
- 33:23Speaker 1: it in its recording of better by You, Better than Me.
- 33:28Speaker 1: Making the allegation more absurd was the fact that prosecutors
- 33:31Speaker 1: were claiming Judas Priest did this in a way that
- 33:34Speaker 1: allowed for the phrase to be heard only if their
- 33:37Speaker 1: record standed class was played backward, and that furthermore, the
- 33:41Speaker 1: band rob Halford, KK Downing and the rest of them
- 33:44Speaker 1: did this to incite children to kill themselves. As insane
- 33:50Speaker 1: as this sounds at the time, in nineteen eighty, this
- 33:54Speaker 1: was quite serious business. The satanic panic that had taken
- 33:59Speaker 1: root a decade earlier was still very much part of
- 34:03Speaker 1: the public consciousness. Ozzy Osbourne had gone through his own
- 34:06Speaker 1: trial four years earlier over his song Suicide Solution. Thankfully,
- 34:11Speaker 1: the judge dismissed the case, citing Ozzie's protection under the
- 34:14Speaker 1: Constitution's First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech. Still, that decision
- 34:20Speaker 1: meant nothing as far as Judas Priest was concerned. This
- 34:24Speaker 1: was an entirely different matter. Records everywhere were still being
- 34:28Speaker 1: affixed with the PMRC's toothless parental guidance sticker. While America
- 34:32Speaker 1: was in the midst of a nasty culture war between
- 34:35Speaker 1: religious conservatives and liberal baby boomers grabbing institutional power and
- 34:39Speaker 1: ways and numbers they'd never had before. The stakes were
- 34:43Speaker 1: very real. If the prosecution was successful in proving the
- 34:47Speaker 1: Judas Priest was guilty responsible for the deaths of two
- 34:50Speaker 1: young metal heads and on the hook for the six
- 34:52Speaker 1: point two million the dead kid's parents were seeking, then
- 34:56Speaker 1: the fate of heavy metal was very much up in
- 34:58Speaker 1: the air. Its doubt that in this environment, with this
- 35:02Speaker 1: type of financial risk, that record labels would continue to
- 35:06Speaker 1: back heavy metal bands, and this would then spell death
- 35:09Speaker 1: for the genre as a viable commercial form of music.
- 35:12Speaker 1: In other words, Priest, def Leppard, even Ozzie and all
- 35:15Speaker 1: the rest would all be fucked. Talk about despair. The
- 35:22Speaker 1: band members and Judas Priest were a mess. For one thing,
- 35:26Speaker 1: two of their fans were dead and the idea that
- 35:29Speaker 1: they wanted their fans dead was patently absurd. And if
- 35:34Speaker 1: the band was defeated in the civil court case, they
- 35:36Speaker 1: would be the ones responsible for killing the careers of
- 35:39Speaker 1: countless heavy metal musicians, including their own. Such an outcome
- 35:44Speaker 1: would ensure that Judas Priest would land far short of
- 35:47Speaker 1: icon status. Hell in this scenario did not even be
- 35:51Speaker 1: martyrs if proven guilty. They feared that in the eyes
- 35:55Speaker 1: of the heavy metal community, they'd be something more akin
- 35:58Speaker 1: to their namesake, the Ultimate Betrayer, and so it was
- 36:05Speaker 1: Preest guitarist Glenn Tipton's idea to go into the studio
- 36:09Speaker 1: with Eddie Kramer. He later said of his thinking at
- 36:12Speaker 1: the time, it's a fact that if you play speech backwards,
- 36:15Speaker 1: some of it will seem to make sense. So I
- 36:18Speaker 1: asked permission to go into a studio and find some
- 36:20Speaker 1: perfectly innocent phonetic flukes. The lawyers didn't want to do it,
- 36:23Speaker 1: but I insisted. We bought a copy of the Stained
- 36:27Speaker 1: Class album in a local record shop, went into the studio,
- 36:30Speaker 1: recorded it to Tate, turned it over and played it backwards.
- 36:34Speaker 1: Right away we found, Hey, ma, my chair is broken,
- 36:37Speaker 1: and give me a peppermint and help me keep a job.
- 36:44Speaker 1: These findings were an extension of Frank Zappa's argument against
- 36:47Speaker 1: the PMRC's absurd claim that musicians were including harmful subliminal
- 36:52Speaker 1: messages on their albums. The whole issue of hidden messages,
- 36:55Speaker 1: Frank said, backward masking and all that if you play
- 36:59Speaker 1: any record backwards long enough, you'll eventually hear what you
- 37:01Speaker 1: want to hear. It's the same as looking at clouds.
- 37:04Speaker 1: People see what they want. It's not scientific and it's
- 37:07Speaker 1: not serious. The judge in the case against Judas Priest
- 37:11Speaker 1: apparently agreed with Frank Zappa and was Glenn Tipton, in
- 37:15Speaker 1: the defense, ruling that subliminal messages, if they exist, are
- 37:20Speaker 1: not protected speech under the First Amendment, but in this case,
- 37:24Speaker 1: no evidence was presented that Judas Priest placed subliminal messages
- 37:27Speaker 1: intentionally or subliminally to cause this tragic event. In the end,
- 37:34Speaker 1: the case was dismissed and Judas Priest and heavy metal prevailed.
- 37:40Speaker 1: The band's next album, Painkiller, their first with new drummer
- 37:44Speaker 1: Scott Travis, was released in nineteen ninety but despite it
- 37:48Speaker 1: being an incredible achievement of heavy metal awesomeness, Rob Halford
- 37:53Speaker 1: departed the band a few years afterward. He was replaced
- 37:57Speaker 1: by Tim the Ripper Owens, while Rob pursued career making
- 38:00Speaker 1: heavy music with other musicians. In nineteen ninety eight, unprompted.
- 38:05Speaker 1: In a television interview with MTV's Kurt Loder, Rob Halford
- 38:09Speaker 1: apropos of nothing blurted. A lot of homophobia still exists
- 38:13Speaker 1: in the music world, in all kinds of music. I
- 38:15Speaker 1: think it's time to break down that barrier. I'm gay.
- 38:20Speaker 1: Most of us in the heavy metal community at the
- 38:22Speaker 1: time shrugged and said, yeah, no shit. The leather and
- 38:25Speaker 1: studs kind of gave it away nearly two decades ago, dude, Regardless,
- 38:29Speaker 1: Back in nineteen ninety eight, coming out was an act
- 38:32Speaker 1: of courage from Rob Halford when much of America still
- 38:35Speaker 1: held on to its backward ideas about homosexuality. Who knows
- 38:39Speaker 1: what Tipper Gore thought, but the metal community continued to
- 38:42Speaker 1: embrace Rob Halford just as it always had, doubly so
- 38:46Speaker 1: when he rejoined Judas Priest in the early two thousands,
- 38:53Speaker 1: and now when this not so young anymore. Metal Head
- 38:56Speaker 1: sits in his pew on Sundays and looks up at
- 38:59Speaker 1: the stained glass saints staring down at him. He sees
- 39:03Speaker 1: the church's defender, Saint Michael, and is reminded of one
- 39:06Speaker 1: of his favorite live metal albums, and he wonders which
- 39:09Speaker 1: metal bands deserve the vaunted status of heavy metal icon.
- 39:14Speaker 1: His mind goes to Black Sabbath, the founders, but then
- 39:18Speaker 1: also very quickly to Judas Priest, like Saint Michael, the
- 39:22Speaker 1: Defenders of the Face A band, the Tipper Gore, and
- 39:26Speaker 1: other evildoers prowling about for the ruin of souls once
- 39:29Speaker 1: labeled a disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgraceland. Okay,
- 39:57Speaker 1: thanks for hanging with me and Judas Priest and Saint Micha.
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- 40:32Speaker 1: metal band of all time? Who is it? And why?
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