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I Choose…To Dream of Barbara Eden · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to I Choose Me. We have been having the
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  Speaker 1: best conversation today. We're going to continue that. I have
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  Speaker 1: Barbara Eden on the pod, and she has so much
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  Speaker 1: wisdom to share with us. So here's part two of
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  Speaker 1: our conversation. It's absolutely incredible. But I Dream of Jeanie
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  Speaker 1: is having its sixtieth year anniversary. This is insane. It
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  Speaker 1: is such an incredible honor to be on a beloved
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  Speaker 1: television show like that that stands the test of time.
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  Speaker 1: I can kind of relate with my ten year run
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  Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills nine o two one zero and people
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  Speaker 1: being so invested in that character that you played. I
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  Speaker 1: know you loved that role and you loved that show,
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  Speaker 1: but did you ever go through periods after the show
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  Speaker 1: when you sort of wanted to disconnect or this is
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  Speaker 1: so see it from that character or that show just
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  Speaker 1: just kind of show. Look, I'm not just that I
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  Speaker 1: can do other things.
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  Speaker 2: Never, never, No, because I was doing other things. I
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  Speaker 2: think even when I worked with you, I was doing
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  Speaker 2: something other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I I oddly enough because I understand people who
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  Speaker 2: or that, but I really didn't. I wasn't thinking about
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  Speaker 2: Genie because I was doing film work. I was in Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: I was singing. It's only it's been quite recently that
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  Speaker 2: I realized, you know, she's right there there she is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and I'm I think she's great, she's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: She's not me, but she's I love it, and it
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  Speaker 2: does make make me feel really really good that people
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  Speaker 2: appreciate what I did, that they're still looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: And god, I it's it's almost like magic, okay, to
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  Speaker 2: to get fan mail from Russia, and you know how
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  Speaker 2: they do that. They they because they can't mail letters
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  Speaker 2: to the United States, so they send it through Poland,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean all over Europe. It's in France, it's
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  Speaker 2: in the UK, it's in Italy, it's in China. How
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  Speaker 2: do they do that? I mean, I you know, you
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  Speaker 2: speak Chinese now a little bit, but yeah, but how
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  Speaker 2: do they get that mail out? It's just it's I
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  Speaker 2: love it. Germany, lots of Germany, lots of South America.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing how things have changed, how we're so global?
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  Speaker 2: And that's that makes me feel good, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting a little teary eyed, because, like I said
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  Speaker 2: to you earlier, I've modeled myself after you and your
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  Speaker 2: professionalism and your spirit.
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  Speaker 1: And I can see, I can see the gratitude. I
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  Speaker 1: can see that you lead with gratitude, and that is
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  Speaker 1: why you are still here while you are so still
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  Speaker 1: so beautiful, and you're just like you're you radiate gratitude,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's a huge key to life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I agree, yes, yeah, gratitude is important to recognize
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  Speaker 2: how lucky you are. Yeah, lucky. But I'll get back
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  Speaker 2: to that. We're all a connected thing because I really
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  Speaker 2: truly believe in it. You can find that spirit and
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  Speaker 2: almost everyone around you, and that's wonderful. That's a great
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  Speaker 2: thing to live with.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I picked a good idol to look up to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're just blowing my mind. You brought the
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  Speaker 1: character of Genie to life. You took her off that
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  Speaker 1: paper and you made her come to life. And she
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  Speaker 1: had that infamous costume, which also turned you into a
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  Speaker 1: sex symbol. I'm telling you you were a sex symbol.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what that was like. Did you
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  Speaker 1: ever feel objectified back then?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, you are amazing.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't, Well, come on, it's a classic theme,
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  Speaker 2: the genie in the bottle, Yeah, and the magic and
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  Speaker 2: it's uh and fun to do. I just adored doing her. No,
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  Speaker 2: I never did feel that although a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: made fun of my belly button and lack of.
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  Speaker 1: You know, everybody wondered, does she have a belly button?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? We love it. The uh it's the guy at
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  Speaker 2: the Mike Connolly at the Hollywood Reporter, who wrote an
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  Speaker 2: article and he came down on the set to talk
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  Speaker 2: to both Hilary and to me, and then he looked
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  Speaker 2: at me and he said, where's your belly button? And
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  Speaker 2: I said it's there. He said, I don't say it.
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  Speaker 2: I said, nickel a peek, you know I was.
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  Speaker 1: I went, yeah, you gotta charge more. Yeah, now I
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  Speaker 1: could do it.
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  Speaker 2: So he kept coming down on the set and every
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  Speaker 2: time I'd walk by like that and tummy my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: But he wrote about it, and then the stringers across
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  Speaker 2: the country picked it up, and I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there are actresses that are known for much
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  Speaker 2: better body parts than the belly button, you know, but
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it. Why not? Why not?
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever struggle with body image being with your
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  Speaker 1: body or how you felt in your body being that
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  Speaker 1: you were. You know, you were in such beautiful, cute
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  Speaker 1: little outfits all the time, and looking a certain way
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  Speaker 1: was really important. Did you ever feel those challenges when
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  Speaker 1: it came to your body image.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to answer that, because I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I still still we wonder about what we
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  Speaker 2: wear and how it fits and yeah that, But honestly,
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  Speaker 2: when most actors start working or acting or were in
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  Speaker 2: the lights, you know, you forget about those things. You
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  Speaker 2: just be the person you're being and be comfortable in them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, no, I haven't ever since that when
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  Speaker 2: my first interview you know that, Yeah, that showed me
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  Speaker 2: his daughter that broke you in. Yeah, yeah, I know
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  Speaker 2: that made me think, made me think and centered me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking. I've had a lot of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, insecurities. I think growing up in the nineties
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  Speaker 1: being on TV. Yeah, it's a really competitive era. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to be a female on television, and things seem to
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  Speaker 1: have been so different for you in the in the
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  Speaker 1: sixties and the seventies, Like you didn't have those It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like you were ever crippled by your insecurities
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  Speaker 1: or they didn't hold you back, and that's so admirable.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I don't know. When you're talking, I'm thinking, hmm,
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  Speaker 2: was I insecure? Did I do? There were times perhaps
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  Speaker 2: when I thought I wasn't quite up to the part
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  Speaker 2: I was playing, But I've never I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think about being insecure. I just don't think about it. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I may know then then then it wasn't. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: on my agenda. What was there to be insecure about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you wanted to work, so you did your job.
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  Speaker 2: If you're talking about insecure clothing or such, no, you
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  Speaker 2: wear what they tell you to wear, and you have
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  Speaker 2: no power over that, and it's much better if you
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  Speaker 2: don't make a fuss.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: As you are talking to me, I'm thinking about different
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  Speaker 2: shows I've done, you know, And one of them was, well,
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  Speaker 2: I with a very famous actress and everyone said, well,
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  Speaker 2: she's difficult. You know, she was the most wonderful thing
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  Speaker 2: to me. She actually came down and made my dress
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  Speaker 2: look better to be on the set. So so I
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  Speaker 2: you know, most people are are pretty good. They're they're
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  Speaker 2: good souls. No, I guess they wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: You said it was easier to not make a fuss
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  Speaker 1: about things like your wardrobe boards.
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  Speaker 2: It's not important.
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  Speaker 1: It's not important.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's important that fits you and it fits the character.
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  Speaker 2: But you do it. That's why you're there.
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  Speaker 1: To act and let the costume designer address.
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  Speaker 2: You do their job and that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: You're very easy going. You have to kind of just
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  Speaker 1: be like Teflon and move through life like that.
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  Speaker 2: I guess. So I don't know. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 2: mean that you don't have some input for it. For instance,
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  Speaker 2: tell me tell you a job on Genie. The first
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  Speaker 2: year of Genie, I was pregnant. What yes, I had
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  Speaker 2: gone Michael and I had tried to have a baby
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  Speaker 2: for so long. Finally I was pregnant. And I found
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  Speaker 2: out the same day that they told me that Genie
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  Speaker 2: was going to go on the air. So I called Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: the writer producer on the show, and said, I have
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you. I really have to talk to
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  Speaker 2: you in person. And he was having dinner at Buck
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  Speaker 2: Henry's house, who was a very well known writer at
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  Speaker 2: that time, and he said, well, come on down, we'll
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  Speaker 2: be at dinner. So I drove I lived up in
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  Speaker 2: the hills, came down to his house, and I was
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  Speaker 2: so happy. You know, I was happy about the show too,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a good time for you. You're happy
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  Speaker 2: that I was pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I sat down there with a big grin on
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  Speaker 2: my face. I said, you know, I'm pregnant. I can't
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  Speaker 2: do your show. I don't know. I couldn't keep the
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  Speaker 2: smile off my face. He said what I said. I
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  Speaker 2: just had to let you know so you could recast it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he said, just just stop. He said, I'll
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  Speaker 2: talk to you in a couple of days. We'll see
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  Speaker 2: if we can work this out. Okay, work this out.
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  Speaker 2: Because he had to write a lot of scripts. He
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  Speaker 2: wrote most of the scribs, and so Gene Nelson, who
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  Speaker 2: at that time was a well known actor director. I
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  Speaker 2: remember one time on this set, I came into work
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  Speaker 2: and there was a bikini on my Now, I know
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  Speaker 2: now girls flaunt their tummies, but at the time I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't flooding, you know. And I looked at it and
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  Speaker 2: I said, I can't wear that. And so the costumer
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  Speaker 2: went over and told Gene, no, she can't wear the
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  Speaker 2: bathing suit. And Gene, who happened to have been a
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  Speaker 2: very good friend of mine at the time, walked up
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  Speaker 2: to my dressing room and said, Barbara, Barbara, you're never
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  Speaker 2: a diva. He said, what won't you put on a
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  Speaker 2: bathing suit, said Jean, I am pregnant. He said, well,
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  Speaker 2: well that's right, Okay, I'll put it on, but not
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  Speaker 2: for the crew. You have to come in here and
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  Speaker 2: see it. So I put it on, and Jean came
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  Speaker 2: to the door anyway, Oh, oh, I see what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: I see what you mean.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so you had to give him a visual. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so what I did was they put me on
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  Speaker 2: a tire on my tummies. So then I got, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on to near the bathing It was a pool, like
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  Speaker 2: the set was a pool.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And I was supposed to be on a floaty. No,
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  Speaker 2: it was a a the side of the pool, okay,
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  Speaker 2: the side of the pool. But they just put the
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  Speaker 2: a real tire, I mean, not a floating tire.
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  Speaker 1: Why what what why a real tire?
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  Speaker 2: Well they covered it up with towels. Why because it's
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  Speaker 2: a hole in the middle of my tummy fit.
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  Speaker 1: That is so funny mm hmmm. And it's so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: The parallels are that I keep finding for us, because
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  Speaker 1: I too had got a show that I was really
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  Speaker 1: excited about. It was a comedy, and it had been
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  Speaker 1: after my nine oh two and oh run doing so
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  Speaker 1: much drama, and I really wanted to transition into comedy.
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  Speaker 1: And I got a job on a show was called
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  Speaker 1: What I Like About You. It was nowhere near I
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  Speaker 1: Dream of Genie. We only lasted for four years, but
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  Speaker 1: I remember I did the pilot and then I got pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: and then I had to say, hey, guys, I'm pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be a problem because the character
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  Speaker 1: is definitely not pregnant, nor should she be. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: we had to go to great lengths to hide that
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  Speaker 1: baby bump.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I had lots of material in front of me, right,
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  Speaker 2: Are you always holding something I was always holding, like
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  Speaker 2: a laundry basket or you though I didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one scene I had to walk behind a
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  Speaker 1: clothing rack full of clothes just my head was above
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  Speaker 1: it and I was rolling it through the scene. Oh
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  Speaker 1: Listen to I Do Part two on the iHeartRadio app,
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  Speaker 1: app podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, you're
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  Speaker 1: starring in a huge show, the most popular show. Your
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  Speaker 1: character's name is in the title. It's called The I
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  Speaker 1: Dream of Genie.
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  Speaker 2: That's you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Pay Quality is something that we women have been battling
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. Oh, so you see where I'm
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  Speaker 1: going with this. I'm really curious back then, seeing as
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  Speaker 1: your name was in the title, were you being paid
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  Speaker 1: the same as your co star Larry Hagman at that time?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I was probably being paid more.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, yes, Barbara.
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  Speaker 2: Because he wasn't known at all.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so happy to hear this, And I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Tell you a cute story now. That we're on the
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  Speaker 2: money thing. Larry was extremely intelligent and savvy, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Mary Martin was his mother. He knew showbiz, he knew
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  Speaker 2: what was going on. And he said, you know, he said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm keeping track of my overtime. I said, you are, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he said I did. You really should, Barber, you should
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  Speaker 2: keep track of your overtime. I said, okay, so and
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  Speaker 2: we every you know, we've worked really hard. You got
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  Speaker 2: some id but well, I'd be up at six am
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  Speaker 2: to get all the body done and then and then
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  Speaker 2: we worked till seven or eight at nine, So I said, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I wrote it all down beautifully, and Larry would
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  Speaker 2: come in and say, look at the check I got.
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  Speaker 2: You know, overtime. I didn't get a check. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I didn't get a check. So I told
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  Speaker 2: my agent and he couldn't get anything out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Was Columbia's studios at the time, and so I had
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  Speaker 2: a friend who was an attorney, a dear friend, and
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  Speaker 2: his wife and his child and everything were in my
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  Speaker 2: friend and I said, you know, Joe, I'm not I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what to do about this. I've kept track
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think I'm getting my overtime, and he
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  Speaker 2: had a friend in the office, the attorney's Columbia, and
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  Speaker 2: he said, you know, she's very upset. I wasn't very upset.
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  Speaker 2: I was just curious what the heck and and so
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  Speaker 2: they wanted me to prove it. So I gave Joe
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  Speaker 2: my little book you know where I'm putting it down,
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  Speaker 2: and Joe came back laughing to me. He said, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: no problem, but they don't understand how you knew all
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  Speaker 2: that your numbers are exactly what they have. And I
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  Speaker 2: thought to myself, they admit that they were not making
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  Speaker 2: a mistake. They were doing something really wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they were keeping a tally just like you did. Ye,
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  Speaker 1: Yet they didn't pay you.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, So I got a big check. Because it
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  Speaker 2: was several years. I just kept.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking, oh, this is so good. Yes, after what is it?
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  Speaker 1: After how many hours?
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember anymore. I don't remember, but I love
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  Speaker 1: it that Larry Hagman it suggested that you do that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, keep track of it. And then he kept
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  Speaker 2: showing the shecks was skinny. Yeah, I'm not getting a check.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh. The one of the one of the many
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  Speaker 1: reasons why I admire you. After I dream of Geenie,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't just rest on that legacy. You kept creating,
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  Speaker 1: You kept working, You kept reinventing yourself. Tell me about reinvention.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're all kind of doing it every day.
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  Speaker 1: We're always a work in progress. We can reinvent ourselves
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  Speaker 1: every day if we want to.
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  Speaker 2: Did you in what way?
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  Speaker 1: I just mean, like, say you had a bad day yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: you weren't your best self. Go to sleep, wake up
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  Speaker 1: the next morning and start again. Try again. It's a
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  Speaker 1: new day, and you can be what you if you
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  Speaker 1: can picture the woman, the person that you want to be,
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  Speaker 1: how you want to be known. And maybe you haven't
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  Speaker 1: always been that person. You're human, You make mistakes, things happen,
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  Speaker 1: but the next day is another chance to try again
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  Speaker 1: to be the person that you want to be.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I and even for acting, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think acting helps you reinvent. But as far as
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  Speaker 2: you're the reality and when you're not on stage, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think i'd want to reinvent. I want to be myself.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be what I am. It's uh, that
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  Speaker 2: would be superficial. I think you know, I love my friends,
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  Speaker 2: I love my family, and if there is some person
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't love us, okay, go away, you know. But
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  Speaker 2: now I don't know. I don't know why you'd want
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  Speaker 2: to reinvent yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm thinking more of like, for example, Madonna,
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  Speaker 1: from her first album to where she is today, She's
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  Speaker 1: gone through so many different versions of her look and
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  Speaker 1: her kind of what she led with. I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what I'm referring to.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of fun. It is kind of fun. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think good for her. Yeah, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But you see, I'm not on.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: The You're not a singer. I mean, like, you're not
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a pop star, so authenticity is very important to you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and to your craft, but not me.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: It's the character I'm playing, you see, So I don't no, no,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I like what I am.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Oh all the warts, I don't care.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the parts, the good, the bad, ugly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the key. Yeah, loving yourself.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Just as you are, yeah, and loving people around you,
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  Speaker 2: loving people around you, recognizing that, yes, how lucky you are, well,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: how much alike you are?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: The connection? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to ask you
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  Speaker 1: about love and grief your life has been marked by
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: profound experiences of love. You've been married three times, you
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: had a beautiful son. Love is complicated. You had that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: heartbreaking loss of losing your son Matthew.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: How did you choose to embrace life and your career
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: while you were navigating those deep personal challenges in your
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: real life?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Well, my work helped me. It did help me. I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: guess everyone treats grief differently. Some people allow it to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: pull arized them, but I think you have to push
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: through it. You'll never lose the grief. It'll always be there,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it's your child. I don't I know. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: went out after he transitioned or passed. I went on
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: tour with the Odd Couple and did a long tour.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: And during that time we went to the film and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: trying to think of the film's name, but oh god,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I can't think of it. Very popular, wonderful movie. But
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: little boys, a lot of little boys there. And I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: was sitting there with tears just coming down my cheeks.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But things like that, you just work through it. You
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: work through it, but you'll never forget. And you always
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: have those feelings. You know, even now it's years ago,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you know that. But I'll see a little boy and
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I just want to pick him up and hug him,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my best friend Adele told me that grief, she's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a therapist. She said that grief is like a rock,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a stone in your pocket. Yeah, and it's always going
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah, They're always going to carry it
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: around with you. Yeah, but you don't have to focus
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's so hard to do though. I think when
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you said your work helped you through it, I think
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: my personal inclination wouldn't be to not work and to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: sort of pul myself up in my despair and you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: be just I can't even imagine that. That's on iaginable
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: what happened to you. And I'm so so sorry. Yeah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't. You are such a strong lady. Sometimes
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes yes, sometimes I am.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm not.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, just to know that you worked
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: your way through it, you know, that's all you can do.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: You can't change it. You just have to learn to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: live with it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: That's so hard to have your life, you know, that's all.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. For the listeners out there that are carrying grief
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: or they're grieving, they're navigating the complicated relationship. Perhaps, what
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: would you say about choosing love for yourself and healing
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: after loss.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to answer that. I think everyone
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: has to choose their own path. Everyone has a way
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: of dealing with their family, dealing with your emotions, dealing
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: with you know, you have to find your own path
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and follow it, that's all. There's no law, there's no rule. Yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you know, it's gut wrenching and horrible, and you just
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: have to live with it. We're not here to be
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: non productive. We're here to keep going carry on. Yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you can't go to bed and pull the covers up
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: over your head. It's still there. It's still that rock
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in your pocket, you know. But you have to work
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: with the rock in the pocket.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You have to learn to live with it. Yeah, Yeah,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: so difficult. I've both been married a few times. When
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you think about love now, I'm going to rush right
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: through that. Three for you, three for me. Another parallel.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: When you think about love now, how would you define
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it in a relationship sense?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: How would I define love in a relationship?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: How do you succeed in a relationship?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not easy.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again, there's no rule. You take your
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: own path and your two individuals. I don't know. You
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: love your dog, don't you.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I sure do.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And I adore my dog and I adore my husband.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: So wait, you said the dog first.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: My husband would probably say the dog first. Two. We
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: love our dog. We just love it. Get that love
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: wells up? You know, Well, it does the same for
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: my husband, and I hope for me to do for me.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: But we and we respect each other. We're not one
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: hundred percent alike. He has nothing to do with my business.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: He loves it, but he's never he's not an actor,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: he's not you know. But but I know I like
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: what he is. I love what he is. That's all
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I can say. I don't know what to say to anyone.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: You just have to love them and accept them. And right, yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's great advice.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: You have to look at your partner as an individual
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and not as an extension of yourself. Yeah, you know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I think that whole jargon about when you marry you
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: become one. I feel like in a sense, perhaps, but
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you still are your own person.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard that.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It's in the vows, like you know, it's like to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: come together as one.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I see you. I remember that you think you would
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: after three Well, I think for you certainly do in
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: many senses, Yes, of course, because you're you work together. Yeah,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: you're you're your partners, you're in business together. You know. Sure. Yeah,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: but you respect what they are and they respect you.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: If they don't respect you, which I'm sure you had
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: happened I did too, then you see. Sorry, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I'm i gonna do it. Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really hard when I think as women who
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: are successful and strong willed, it's hard to be with
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a man that doesn't respect you or that feels as
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: if you should take a back seat to him in
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: some way. And it's also hard. I know you've probably
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: experienced this, being the breadwinner in certain situations, certain times
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of your life. Men customarily have a problem with that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Many do, many do, Many don't. Yeah, you got to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: find the ones that don't.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: No, I.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Don't know. That's I think that's when you're one, you know.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is a very deep question, but I'm so
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: curious your take on this. After you've lived this beautiful life,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: what do you think happens after that? When it all ends?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: What do you think happens when our lives end? And
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: where do we go? What happens to us? I'm so
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: curious about other people's perspectives on death and dying, and.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I just well, I'm just not going to do it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, good, I am here for that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: No, I'm so with you. This doesn't sound fun. No,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: what do you think though happens?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Like? Who knows?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: You don't know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I'm ready for the ride.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I mean it'll be exciting because we don't know.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Or it'll be really boring.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it'll be boring. Okay, good, I
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: don't think so.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: But okay, I have one last question for you. This
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: is how I close every episodisode. Barbara Eden, what was
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: your last I choose me moment?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It's probably every day. That's good. It's a good thing,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: you know you Ah. I choose to get up in
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the morning. I choose to have a good breakfast. I
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: choose to love my dog. Well, I don't really choose it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I do love I love my husband. Let me see.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I choose my friends. Yeah, just not me? Yeah? Is
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: that good enough?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: That's great? I love that you say. I choose myself
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: every day, because I think that's important that we acknowledge
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that we're worth choosing. You know, like a lot of
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: people have a real hard time choosing themselves and I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: don't want that to be the case for us. No, No,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: it's vital too. But you choose your husband, to you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: choose your children.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's not just me.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: No, but that, in a sense is choosing yourself too,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: because you are choosing to love abundantly, true and freely,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and that is ultimately, Yeah, the best choice you can
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: make for yourself. Yeah, what is your key to longevity?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I haven't a clue. I don't know. I just like
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: being here, I guess, and I like my work. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: still work, I think, so I have a reason to
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: be here. Mm hmm. What's your key to longevity?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean continuing to do things that excite me, Yes,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that push me, challenge me.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I think that's important. Yeah, this has been the best
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: conversation ever on it just me. I'm sorry for everybody
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that has come before you, but this is now officially
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: my favorite episode. Thank you so much too.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I've loved every second of it. Thank you so much.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me, so good to see
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you again.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: You too,