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From Collector to Promoter 🔥 For the Love of the Hobby! Ep #32 · Ultimate Rewinds Podcast

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From collector to promoter, I want to
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welcome my good buddy Greg, who is the
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showrunner for one of the best cons of
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the year here in the East Coast, King
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Con. So, Greg, welcome aboard. Thank you
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for doing the podcast, my man. Hey,
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thank you so much for having me, man.
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And thank you for all the support with
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the show, coming by, doing the uh
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sponsorship part. I mean, that was that
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was great. And uh I really appreciate
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your support.
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>> No, man. I I appreciate it. Uh I've been
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coming to your show, I want to say, for
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five years. How how long has the show
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been going on?
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>> Uh the first show was the fall,
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September of 2021. So, okay. Right. Kind
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of in like the the heart of the COVID
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times.
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>> Yeah. and the collectible boommed.
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>> I I want to say it's probably like four
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times then because I know I missed the
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last two years because I've been
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coaching basketball. But this year,
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fortunately, I was still coaching
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basketball, but it actually ended up
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working out well because the game was
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until nighttime. So, I was able to come
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in the morning till about 1:00. But I
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think a lot of people, especially
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myself, I want to get to know you a
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little bit. Uh obviously you're a comic
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collector just like I am. What kind of
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comics are you into?
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>> Well, yeah. I mean, I I always tell
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people I'm a collector first. So, the
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show I kind of approach at like uh an
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angle as a collector. I always try to
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approach it as the shows that I liked
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going to, the type of vendors I like to
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see there, uh the types of books that I,
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you know, look for. Um, and just the
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overall experience, you know, like I
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like the big cons. I've been going to,
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you know, New York Comic-Con since
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really like maybe a couple years before
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I feel like it really changed during
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like the Walking Dead era where it just
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like, you know, AMC. It was like just
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this huge explosion of The Walking Dead
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at New York Comic-Con and it just got so
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crazy. But I always liked those small
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comic cons, uh, conventions in like, uh,
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the hotels that I used to go to as a
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kid. Um, but to answer your question,
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um, I got into comics based off the 1990
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Impel Marvel cards. Uh, so I just
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collected like a lot of first
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appearances. Um, and that's how I really
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got into uh, collecting was hunting
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after first appearances like a lot of
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people.
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>> So like did were you ever into it as a
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kid or just mainly as an adult?
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>> I was into I mean I had the death of
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Superman. I had the Infinity Gauntlet.
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That was the stuff that I liked as a
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kid, but I didn't really collect a lot
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of physical comics. Uh, as a kid, I
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collected this the cards, the Marvel
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cards.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Uh, I was very into the video games and
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toys. Uh, but I was never and I still am
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not a very good reader. Um, I fall
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asleep when I read. My mind wanders. Um,
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I do love the stories. Uh, I try to to
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to read as much as I can. Um, but I am a
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collector. like I like collecting stuff.
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Uh so I got into that mainly. I started
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really collecting comics around 2003
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when uh Jim Lee came out with Hush and I
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was like full-on hunting down
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>> that whole series. Um but as a kid I was
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mainly into the characters, their
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powers, their abilities. Uh this I was
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into the story lines, but again I would
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just kind of have people tell me about
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them or read the backs of the cards and
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stuff like that.
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So 2003 is like right when I got back
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into it as like to me that's like a
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couple years after I got graduated
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college. I I finally got my own place
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and I started having a little bit of
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money. So I started going back into it
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around that time frame as well and
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that's when CGC came about. So around
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that time frame is when I first started
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like submitting a book for the first
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time, stuff like that. So it's it's fun.
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It's fun to see somebody kind of get
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into it for the first time as I'm
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getting in and for the second time. So
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that's pretty cool. But um what you
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mentioned other things like like cards,
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Marvel cards and stuff like that. As a
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kid, were you like really into anything?
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I mean, before we started filming, we
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talked a little bit about like TMNT and
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Ghostbusters. Was what was your main
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thing when you were a kid?
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>> Well, the first thing I was into was uh
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video games. Like I was playing
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Nintendo, obsessed with Nintendo. You
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know, I had an older brother who had
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friends and I would just like watch them
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play. And I had cousins that were uh
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older that lived in Staten Island and um
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Long Island and they would be they would
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have Nintendo and they they would have
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uh you know like pizza shops we'd go to
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that had like Street Fighter arcades and
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that was the first time I was introduced
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to stuff like that.
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>> So I was really into like video games uh
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before anything else. Um, I remember
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watching them play like Mike Tyson's
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Punch Out and I would do a lot of
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watching and uh until I was comfortable
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to actually pick up the controller and
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and you know play against you know Mike
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Tyson which was like absolutely
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terrifying as a kid. Um,
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so, so yeah, first the first thing was
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uh was video games. That was that that
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kicked it off. And then um I was really
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into TMNT toys and like the real
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Ghostbusters action figures. Um, and
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I've collected some of those. Uh, I only
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have so much space though. If I could, I
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would collect everything.
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>> Um, but the toys I don't really collect
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that much. I have a few figures. um like
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a graded Casey Jones from the 88, you
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know, series or 90 when whenever that
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exact figure came out
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>> in that series. But uh yeah, I was
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before
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getting into collecting comics, I was
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very into the toys and and video game
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scene and then I got into the Marvel
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cards in like 1990.
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>> Yeah, I think a lot of people got into
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the Marvel cards during that time frame.
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I remember like in 1990 for me like I
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was just about to go to to high school.
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91 I went to high school. God, I'm old.
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But like around that time frame, I was
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in eighth grade around that time frame
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and I had a lot of friends between that
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um like they started releasing all those
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those Marvel toys and those DC toys
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again. Again 89 was the Batman movie. So
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it was really really hot around that
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time. So again, same time frame. But
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that's cool. I mean like you still
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collect all that stuff today, you think
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or no?
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>> Yeah. I mean I have sealed boxes of the
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I don't have a sealed box of the N of
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the Impel the 1990. I have the second
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series and the third series. I am always
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looking on eBay for like a nice minty
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box of the original. I'm looking at I
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always look for the holograms graded um
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because those are so tough to grade. But
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that was the first experience I had of
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like really chasing anything was those
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holograms. I don't know if you remember.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know, those those are still awesome.
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They just look so cool. Like the
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Wolverine and the Silver Surfer and the
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Cosmic Spider-Man. And I just remember,
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you know, as a kid going to these shows
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and and um trying to feel like the
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packs. It did absolutely nothing. I
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never was able to, but you think you
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could feel like the side of it, you
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know. Um but it's just so funny, you
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know, today it's kind of the same thing.
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We got people going to to Targets
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unfortunately and like weighing stuff.
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Um
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>> but yeah, cards are bigger than they
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were when I was a kid now, you know.
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>> Yeah, absolutely. And when I when I was
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at the show this year, we had about like
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10 minutes of of talking before the show
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started, you and I. And I I know you
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mentioned that like uh one you're you
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were a WWF fan because you saw my video.
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You didn't know I was a fan. So uh like
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what did you collect those figures
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growing up or anything related to
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wrestling?
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>> Yeah. Yeah. So I got into wrestling. I
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mean my family we my my grandma and my
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my dad and my mom would you know I would
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just see these figures we had around
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like they were like bath toys to me.
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Hulk Hogan, Iron Chic, stuff like that.
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Like the old rubber ones.
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But I really didn't know. I mean, I was
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barely like a conscious human being at
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that point, you know? I just saw they
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were there. Um,
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>> and but I really started getting into
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wrestling around like '92, 93. Um, I
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remember I feel like one of the first
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things I saw on TV, there was like a a
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match of Razor Raone versus Undertaker.
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And I thought they were I mean
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Undertaker was just like so so amazing.
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like I was terrified of him,
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>> but then I remember really uh being
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traumatized by the Papa Shango Curse on
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the Ultimate Warrior.
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>> Uh, and so yeah, I got really into that,
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but then I got really into like Bret
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Hart and I I really kicked it into gear
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around like 93 94. The first
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pay-per-view I ever ordered was the uh
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'94 Royal Rumble. I had a friend over. I
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was like eight or nine. That was the
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double win with Lex and Brett.
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>> Yeah. Um, I would started going to like
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Wrestlemania parties. Wrestlemania 10 is
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like one of my favorite Wrestlemania.
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Owen verse Brett. That whole storyline
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was is still like like so like
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solidified into my childhood as a
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wrestling fan. Um, Yokazuna being the
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bad guy. But yes, to answer your
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question, I have a bunch of Hasbros. Um,
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and I have a couple that are signed. I
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have a Bret Hart. Uh they're all this
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the sealed the Mox uh mint on card and I
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have a Deviosi signed one. I have a a
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Bret Hart signed one. Unfortunately like
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the Razors I couldn't get to. I've met
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Scott Hall. He was amazing. Uh awesome
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guy, but I didn't have like the figures
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at that time for him to sign stuff like
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that. It's so unfortunate because a lot
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of these guys passed away.
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All right. So, you are obviously a
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collector just like I am, just like a
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lot of people out there who listen to
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the podcast. So, how did you go from
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being a collector into wanting to put on
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your own show?
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>> Well, it was the uh man, it was around,
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you know, like I said, 2020, 2021,
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I was uh, you know, collecting again and
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collecting a little more heavily. Uh, I
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was older. I had a little bit more money
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from work and stuff like that. So, I was
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actually able to obtain um some bigger
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keys and stuff like that. So, I was just
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into the scene a little bit more. And
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then um
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uh I guess you know around the COVID
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period, everything was just going so
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well. And I felt like I wanted to just
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put on a local show that was uh kind of
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based off of like the people that I knew
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on Instagram. Um, I had a good uh
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relationship with a lot of people and I
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wanted to get all like kind of the
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Instagram community together and run a
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show that wasn't a huge mega, you know,
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uh, show. Um, you know, my first show,
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we didn't have artists for the first
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couple of years. I just wanted it to be
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like a show you could go to, like an old
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school style comic show in and out, find
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what you're looking for, talk to and
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hang out with the people you know from
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Instagram that you may not have ever met
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before, but you see them on all the
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time. And uh we found like a Holiday Inn
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that was close by and uh you know that
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was that.
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>> So was it obviously you're saying you
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didn't have artists. It was more of a
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basic just a comic show. What was the
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space like? Obviously I've been to the
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the one at Eastland a bunch of times but
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the one in the Holiday Inn, what was the
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space like? Is it comparable to the one
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we were just at?
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>> No, it was it was small. It was and it
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it was broken up between a couple rooms
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too. Um it was a nice space for the
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first one, but it was like crowded. Um,
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and the parking situation was a little
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tough, uh, because a bunch of people
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came. Um, but yeah, the the two separate
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room thing didn't really work out. Um, I
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mean, it still could, you know, for a
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smaller show. I mean, I I went to a card
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show at that same exact spot on
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Wednesday. Uh, and it and it worked.
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It's tight, but um, it was it was the
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good perfect, you know, stepping stone.
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>> So, any issue I hate to bring this up,
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it's good conversation. any issues with
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that first show? Was it like daunting?
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Were you like nervous? Was it any
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struggles?
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>> Yeah, I mean I'm nervous all the time.
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I'm like a nervous person. I you know
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I'm always anxious. I'm always thinking
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like but that's kind of what helps me
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keep the show running kind of smoothly
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is because I'm always my personality is
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like what I'm trying to think of what
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could go wrong. You know what I mean?
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And obviously you can't please everyone.
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So I do my best. But um the first show I
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was just like kind of I would wake up in
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the morning I remember and be like why
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did I like why did I think I this was
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like a good idea. You know what I mean?
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Being like nervous. I can't believe like
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one one morning I'm going to wake up and
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this I'm going to have to put on this
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event. You know what I mean? Where it's
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like fun to think about this stuff. You
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know you could think about hitting a
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home run in the World Series all you
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want but when you step up to the plate
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you got to actually do it. You know what
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I mean? So, it kind of felt like that on
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a on a much lesser scale. Um, but yeah,
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I mean, even to this day, I get nervous
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like what if no one should I I'll have
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these anxiety dreams that I'm setting it
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like first of all that I never I didn't
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promote it. It's in the wrong space and
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no one like so like no one knew about
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it. So, like I'm putting on this show
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and and people are like, "Oh, but you
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know, I didn't even know it was today.
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You didn't tell anyone the dates." Stuff
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like that. So, yeah, it it's very uh
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it's it can be very stressful and
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there's a lot of anxiety behind it, at
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least for me.
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>> Is there like for that first show, was
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there like that one thing that was like
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you kind of realized after the fact and
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you fixed it later on or no?
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>> Um I think it took a a couple shows in
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to um even even still like now you learn
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from every show. This last show was one
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that I felt like really like encompassed
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everything that I wanted out of a show.
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Um because I always felt like I could do
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more on on one sense. But uh the first
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show I think we needed a space that had
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some better parking um because that was
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people kept coming in being like just so
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you know I couldn't like it took forever
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to park and parking is like a huge deal
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which I've
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. for people, free parking, enough
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spaces. Even I went to a show a couple
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weeks ago and it was out in Montlair and
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I couldn't for the life of me find
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parking and it was just like, man, like
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I don't think I'd come back to this, you
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know, because of the parking. Um,
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>> I was going to say you rectified that
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because the place that you you've had
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the show for the for the past however
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many so years. I know that you did the
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one time up by me, but uh they got a ton
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of parking. So that's that's always been
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good since you've been there.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. They have like 900 spots and
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it's just now there's like it's in New
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Jersey and I'm sure you know there's
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just a lot of competition. There's a lot
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of people coming out, especially on the
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card scene, not as much on on the
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comics, but it's hard to find spaces
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that are not already taken or booked or
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you're not I mean, there'll be
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>> two comic shows maybe one day and like
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four card shows, you know, and there's
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only so many people that you could try
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to get. So, uh it's just it's just
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becoming increasingly difficult to
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compete um in this state at least.
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>> Yeah. Can we pull that back the curtain
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a little bit? I could ask you a couple
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questions about running the actual show,
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like what goes into running a comic
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show, even though on your level, I know
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it's a smaller show, but kind of what
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goes into it for people out there who
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don't know.
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>> Um, basically, you want to try to just,
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you know, you got to you got to, you
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know, I like to have vendors there that
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I purchase from and have experiences
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with because I want that experience. I
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want to know firsthand like what kind of
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experience the attendees are going to
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have. And that's not saying that if I've
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never done business with you or anything
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like that and and you don't, you know,
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>> it's just I don't do like a general sign
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up form because I like to kind of curate
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>> the people that are going to be there
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and I know what they're going to have
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and I know the type of people they are.
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It just makes me feel more comfortable
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as a showrunner. Um so it's kind of the
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vendor aspect
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um that goes into that. Obviously you
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have to negotiate with the hotel, you
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have to you have to have a floor plan.
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That was something that was a big
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struggle. Um because I'm not very good
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with like I I I could say I've gotten
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better, but off the bat I didn't think
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I'd be good at like, you know, all the
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measuring that goes into it and making
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sure people have enough space. It's not
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just like you don't just throw out and
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just like it just doesn't work. You
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don't just have tables and set them up.
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You especially with comics because
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people have the the walls, you know, and
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they need a certain amount of space, you
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know, from the table to the wall. So
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there's a lot of like physical
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organization, mental organization, um
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numbers games, um making sure that you
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leave enough room for the vendors to do
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well, you don't lose money. The it's not
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too expensive for the attendees. It's
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just like an all-encompassing
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um you know organized process that uh it
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it takes a lot even though it's one day
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once a year you're kind of timing it
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throughout like throughout the year it's
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like the three men swap will happen and
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I'm like okay that's like
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>> that's done with the what's next
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terrific you know once terrific usually
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done and I'm not you know this that's a
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huge show you know I'm not saying
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anything as far as like comparison but
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as far as timeline goes okay
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>> the summer's October basically. Now I
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got to start ramping up and I like to
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usually have an announcement about the
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next show around like Labor Day.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Like how like obviously we last
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month or or I forgot was it last month?
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Was it the beginning of of March?
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Beginning of March. It was right
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>> the show. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So how long
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how long before you start going and
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preparing the next one? I'm already kind
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of thinking about the next one before,
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you know, like the current one's done.
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You know what I mean? Especially because
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I do all those kind of those themes, you
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know, like with the graphics, which I
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that's the part that I have a lot of fun
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with because it helps me bring back like
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that nostalgia aspect like the Mortal
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Kombat, we've done Rocky, we've done
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Predator, all all that stuff that, you
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know, kind of isn't always comic
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related. Like I my friend uh who comes
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to the show with his kids was like
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should I dress them up as like Scorpion
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and Subzero? I'm not really
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understanding the Mortal Kombat aspect
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of it here. Like what's the like what
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what does this have to do with more? I'm
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just like it's just the nostalgia thing.
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It's just that's what I grew up liking
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and it's fun to put the gorilla theme
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into different you know arc styles and
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themes. That's one of the best things
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that I think you've done a really good
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job of because every year you're kind of
18:18
waiting to see what that next show is
18:20
going to kind of feature and you're
18:21
going to do. So like I remember the year
18:23
the year before the one year was like
18:24
Miami Vice or No, it was um
18:26
>> it was uh Vice City.
18:28
>> Yeah, it was that. So I mean that was a
18:29
good one. Wasn't there like um
18:31
>> the one before that? I'm forgetting.
18:33
There was just the one where the King
18:34
Kong was wearing the crown but he was
18:36
just in the circle. I forgot. That was
18:37
the one a couple years ago. I forgot.
18:39
>> There was like an original one. Yeah.
18:41
And then the second one, he's like, it's
18:43
kind of like the first one, but he's
18:44
holding out like a a number two. And
18:46
that was kind of based off like the
18:48
Ghostbusters 2 emblem where he's putting
18:50
the two out. And then three was the
18:51
Rocky 3.
18:53
>> And then four was the uh the Predator
18:56
where he's on top of the buildings, you
18:57
know, stuff like that. So, it's kind of
18:59
just gotten a little more detailed and
19:00
fun each time. And uh
19:03
>> last question on like the setup and
19:05
putting your stuff through the con for
19:07
now, but like what do you think the
19:08
hardest part about putting a show
19:09
together is?
19:12
Um,
19:14
I guess it's like uh the hardest part,
19:18
the most stressful part for me. I mean,
19:20
some people might find like the hardest
19:22
part like actually organizing
19:25
everything, getting everyone together as
19:26
far as the on the vendor side or
19:28
affording it, stuff like that. Um,
19:30
because it is expensive. But the hardest
19:33
part I think is um trying to get as many
19:36
people through the door as possible
19:38
because it's comes down to one day. It's
19:41
New Jersey, you know, the weather is
19:43
just nuts. You know, like two weeks
19:45
before this last show, there was like a
19:47
blizzard, you know, with like 13 inches
19:50
or more of snow.
19:52
>> Um I had put road signs out and then
19:55
they all got destroyed basically. So I
19:57
luckily I ordered enough that I went
19:59
back out and put them out again. Um so
20:02
it just it's just like the
20:03
unpredictability you know a lot happens
20:06
in a year you know a lot changes you
20:09
know we lose people we gain people
20:12
>> um I mean since I started running the
20:14
show I have you know I didn't have I had
20:16
one daughter now I have two
20:18
>> you know what I mean a lot changes um so
20:20
I think it's just kind of the
20:22
unpredictability the market changes
20:24
obviously Yeah.
20:31
>> What are your thoughts right now? Like
20:32
do you think cons are are kind of
20:34
getting busy again? Are they kind of
20:35
stagnant for where they've been?
20:36
Obviously, it's not 2020 2021, but um we
20:40
talked about a little bit how it's
20:41
gotten harder to kind of maybe attract
20:43
people. What are you seeing right now?
20:46
I think the our roughest year as a show
20:48
was the Vice City one, the one in Park
20:50
Ridge because that was like 2024
20:54
and it was early 2024. So like 23 24
20:57
there was I feel like a lot of hesitancy
21:00
with the market like stuff was still
21:03
really coming down but stuff was still
21:05
priced very expensive.
21:07
>> Yeah.
21:07
>> And that one I felt was the most unsure
21:10
people were about actually buying and
21:12
attending. Um, which was unfortunate
21:15
because that show cost uh a decent
21:18
amount of money and that was like one of
21:20
our shows that we were trying to like
21:21
really upgrade and um we got we had a
21:24
lot more vendors but you know it just
21:27
like it we also went for a bigger look
21:29
so it was further up north in New
21:30
Jersey.
21:31
>> Yeah. It's right by me where I live.
21:33
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was a nice venue and it
21:35
looked great and everything like that
21:36
but I feel like the market was just so
21:38
weird at that point. Um
21:41
and then so we scaled back and then last
21:43
year um I felt like was it was it was a
21:48
much stronger turnout than the prior
21:50
year and I felt like good. I was like
21:51
all right that felt like solid, you
21:54
know, like but I and the vendors all did
21:56
really well.
21:58
>> Um and this year was our biggest
22:01
turnout. We had uh about 530 people
22:05
through the doors, which is great for
22:07
our show. And um and uh I feel like the
22:11
vendors did awesome again. Um and I
22:14
think we've hit a comfortable zone with
22:17
collecting, at least from what people
22:19
are telling me, you know, because I'm
22:20
pretty good friends with like Ben from
22:22
Zap and I talk to him a lot about like
22:24
he tells me like what's selling and
22:25
stuff like that
22:27
>> and just other people that that vended
22:29
there. Um, and everyone feels really
22:31
comfortable kind of where the market is
22:32
right now. I'm comfortable like as a
22:34
buyer right now. Like I'll still check
22:37
to see, but um, you know, some trends,
22:41
>> but I'm comfortable with where stuff is
22:43
right now. I think there's still some
22:44
stuff that's maybe a little high, you
22:46
know, but um, it hasn't really proven
22:50
that it shouldn't be. But just for for
22:52
me as a buyer uh, right now, I think um,
22:55
we're in a comfortable spot.
22:57
>> Yeah, I I think so as well. And you
22:59
mentioned Zap Ben. Uh he actually
23:01
offered to come on the podcast. So we're
23:02
going to get that going at some point as
23:03
well. So I'm looking forward to that.
23:05
But do you think right now there's maybe
23:07
too many shows that are on the East
23:08
Coast? You mentioned a few. I I know you
23:10
go to Terrific. I've been to Terrificon.
23:12
Obviously your show. Um you talked
23:14
earlier about you've gone to card shows
23:16
in the area. Can you talk a little bit
23:17
about how like that impacts your show
23:21
and do you think there are too many cons
23:22
going on right now?
23:25
>> I don't think there's too many. Man,
23:27
it's tough with comic shows. It's like
23:29
the because you get the big mega shows
23:32
and then you have, you know, like the
23:34
monthly shows which are are great. So, I
23:36
don't I don't feel there's an
23:38
overabundance of comic shows. Like,
23:40
there's definitely times during the
23:41
month where I'm looking and wishing
23:43
there was a show like that I could go
23:45
to. Um,
23:47
but I also don't travel like extremely
23:49
far. I'll go to like Clifton, which you
23:50
go to, right? And Old Bridge, I'll go to
23:52
that one.
23:53
Um, card shows there's a lot, but
23:57
they're able to have a lot. Like I go to
23:59
these and they are packed. They'll be
24:01
packed in the middle of the week on a
24:03
Tuesday, on a Wednesday, on a Friday.
24:05
Like they could just have them. And
24:06
that's right now. Now we've been in the,
24:09
you know, like the boom before. Now
24:11
cards are a different animal, but like
24:14
sometimes you feel like how long can can
24:16
that last, you know? But I hope it lasts
24:18
forever, you know? That would be
24:19
amazing. But
24:21
>> I What were you gonna say?
24:24
>> I was going to say, did you do you set
24:25
up there or you just go as like a buyer?
24:27
>> I set up at my first card show uh a week
24:31
a week or two ago. Um because I've been
24:33
into the card scene now a little bit.
24:35
I've I'm I'm still collecting comics,
24:37
but I've hit a lot of my collecting
24:39
goals.
24:40
>> That's what I feel like a lot of people
24:42
out there right now, like including
24:43
myself, like I I've I've I've owned the
24:45
books that I I've really wanted to own
24:47
in my lifetime. So you're starting to
24:48
see other people maybe go to Pokemon,
24:50
they're going to toys, they're going to
24:51
video games. There's so much out there
24:53
>> of what I call cross collectors that
24:55
that collect a lot of things. So
24:58
>> yes, and I definitely consider myself
24:59
one of those. But I mean, I was gung
25:01
like ho to hit goals for comics for
25:05
years, you know what I mean? And I and I
25:07
feel like I achieved there's definitely
25:08
still books that I want out there. Um,
25:11
but right now I feel like um cards are
25:14
in a space where they're a little easier
25:15
to trade, to buy and sell. Um, it's
25:19
really almost like like a like the floor
25:22
of Wall Street. I feel like a stock
25:24
market, you know, like you're in there
25:26
and people are making trades, kids are
25:29
making tra. It's just so it's so busy.
25:32
>> It's it's crazy. And I'm not knocking
25:33
comics at all. like I wish, you know, I
25:36
think there's there's room for um like a
25:39
younger generation to kind of take that
25:41
energy and bring it into the comic
25:42
market. Um but right now it seems like
25:45
the card shows are just uh you know
25:47
where where a lot of the energy is. And
25:49
that's why
25:50
>> I felt like for this last show I brought
25:52
I was I I felt like it needed a little
25:55
bit of a breath of fresh air. I we had
25:58
21
26:00
comic vendors in the last the previous
26:03
show before this past one. This last
26:05
show I was like I had this whole space
26:07
where I I could add vendors
26:12
but with comics and the walls that
26:15
people have it doesn't it wouldn't that
26:18
space wouldn't have made sense and I
26:19
didn't want to cannibalize the rooms and
26:22
the other vendors with more comics. So,
26:24
I was like, I'm going to make the jump
26:26
and try to get some card vendors in
26:28
there, which I did. And I was a little
26:29
nervous. I see how people would react to
26:31
that. But, it was great. And most people
26:34
that we asked that were coming in
26:36
through the door when I would, my wife
26:37
and I would ask them what you're there
26:38
for, the majority of people said both
26:41
comics and cards, which I found
26:42
interesting and goes back to what you
26:44
were saying about cross collecting.
26:45
Yeah.
26:46
>> I think a lot of people too maybe who
26:48
haven't collected comics in the past,
26:50
they're going into the show for Pokemon.
26:51
All of a sudden, they're seeing all the
26:52
comic vendors. are like, "Oh [ __ ] I
26:54
didn't know about this. I didn't know
26:55
about this. This is cool. Can you tell
26:56
me about it?" So, that that's a good
26:57
thing as well, right? Yeah,
26:58
>> 100%. And I think it goes both ways. But
27:01
yeah, I mean, look at the
27:03
>> you know, I'll say I I'm pretty sure I
27:05
feel like Spider-Man's more iconic than
27:08
>> probably poke Pokemon, at least for for
27:11
us. And you know, I don't know how long
27:13
for I don't know if that's going to be
27:14
forever, but I mean, you you go into a a
27:17
a comic show for cards
27:20
>> and you might take a little detour
27:22
through the ballroom and see like, oh,
27:23
what's that? SP look at that. It's just
27:25
like looks like an oversized card and
27:27
it's got some cool artwork on it, you
27:29
know? Um, Spider-Man. I love Spider-Man.
27:32
I love the Avengers. I mean,
27:33
>> this Gen Z generation grew up with the
27:35
Marvel movies, you know what I mean? So,
27:37
why wouldn't they possibly be interested
27:39
in both, you know? Yeah, I totally
27:41
agree.
27:46
Back to the topic of of talking a little
27:48
bit about your show or maybe maybe you
27:50
know other promoters out there. Do you
27:52
guys ever get nervous about like dealers
27:54
and their pricing? Like cuz you know
27:56
somebody walks into a show, I hate to
27:57
say it, but like I've gone into shows
27:59
and I I've looked at some of the books
28:00
on some people's walls and I just been
28:02
like totally dejected and just kind of
28:04
move on. Mhm.
28:05
>> As a promoter or knowing anybody who's
28:07
also promoted a show, have you ever
28:08
gotten like nervous about that?
28:11
>> Um,
28:13
I feel like I don't I I feel like I
28:16
know, you know, like I was talking about
28:17
earlier, like the the vendors that I
28:19
have, I kind of know how they work and
28:22
their personalities and stuff like that.
28:24
>> Now, will everything be exactly at
28:26
market or under? I don't know. I don't
28:28
know how much room they have on it, but
28:29
do I think anyone's going to try to take
28:30
advantage of anyone? No. Um,
28:34
and other promoters, I'm I'm not sure.
28:37
Uh, but that's why I don't just kind of
28:39
let anyone vend if I don't know you or
28:42
if you know, even if someone I don't
28:43
know, I'll check out their Instagram.
28:45
I'll look at their eBay maybe and and
28:47
see see what's going on. It definitely
28:48
is a thought.
28:50
>> Of course, I want people to have the
28:51
best experience possible that are coming
28:53
to the show. But even for the card guys,
28:55
the ones that the card people that I
28:57
got, those are all people for the like
28:59
99% that I had bought stuff from before.
29:01
And I think that's a smart way to go
29:03
about it because I want to pass on my
29:04
good experience to people attending the
29:06
show. And again, it's not that I'm if
29:09
you're not there, I don't or never
29:10
reached out to you or bought from you. I
29:12
don't think any, you know, it's not I
29:14
don't think you're not worth anything or
29:16
you know what I mean. I don't want to
29:18
take offense to Yeah. So,
29:21
>> I was going to say I think for the
29:22
people who listen who haven't been to
29:23
King Kong before, this kind of gives you
29:24
a little bit of an inkling of how Greg
29:27
runs the show and what you're walking
29:28
into, right? He obviously he knows all
29:31
if if not most of the vendors that set
29:34
up at his show and that's why I always
29:36
say it's one of the better shows of the
29:37
year and that of course add on top of
29:39
that is the people you know from you
29:42
know our side of the country the east
29:43
coast Jersey you know New York,
29:45
Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,
29:46
whatever. So like that that is is goes
29:49
without saying. So, if you haven't been
29:50
to King Kong before, make sure you next
29:52
year that you guys get to it because it
29:54
really is a wellpriced show and it's a
29:56
fun show to boot. As far as like all the
29:59
available avenues to buy comics and
30:02
collectibles right now, obviously eBay,
30:04
whatnot, Instagram, obviously we have
30:06
in-person shows, all that stuff. Do you
30:09
think it hurts the con at all?
30:12
No, because I still think people want
30:14
that human, you know, interaction. I
30:16
still especially with comics I like to
30:19
raw comics I'll say even even slabs I
30:22
like to buy in per I mean there's sites
30:24
I trust like I mean I don't love eBay
30:26
because of all the fees that that's a
30:28
no-brainer I love buying stuff from
30:30
Elite when I can uh Elite Comics on
30:32
Instagram.
30:34
>> Um I just feel safe buying from them. Um
30:37
but when it comes to RAWs I I personally
30:40
like to just look at the book myself
30:43
when I'm buying it. Um
30:47
there there are there are so many ways
30:48
to buy stuff online, but uh I don't
30:51
think it hurts the shows because I think
30:53
people like getting together and people
30:54
were who come to our show usually stay
30:56
like you know there's very few people I
30:58
see that come in and then five minutes
30:59
later they're out. You know what I mean?
31:01
>> Yeah.
31:02
>> Um I think it's important for people to
31:04
that's part of the hobby is to to go and
31:08
>> I like talking to vendors too. Like when
31:10
I go to these shows sometimes I'll just
31:12
talk to like you said Ben or
31:14
>> uh you know um absolutely awesome
31:17
collectibles like Gary and Spiro you
31:19
know they've been in the game for so
31:20
long. I love talking to those like old
31:22
school vendors who have been vending
31:24
since the late 80s or 90s and just
31:27
>> I get such like invaluable
31:30
uh feedback from them. You know what I
31:32
mean?
31:32
>> That's why like that's why sometimes the
31:34
smaller show is a lot more fun because
31:35
you try doing that stuff at like a New
31:37
York Comic-Con, forget it. There's
31:38
people everywhere. You're bumping into
31:40
one another. People are trying to dig
31:41
through all the boxes and there's just
31:42
like freaking 50 people at one booth.
31:44
It's a little hard to do that because of
31:45
the size of the venue. But, you know,
31:47
the smaller shows, yes, there's still a
31:49
lot of people. This year was it was
31:50
packed. So, like I was walking around
31:52
like talking a lot of people, but like
31:54
you could still get in there and chop it
31:55
up with a lot of the dealers and kind of
31:57
find, you know, what people are looking
31:59
for, you know, what they have, what they
32:01
may have that they didn't bring, stuff
32:02
like that. So, I agree with you. It's
32:04
it's I think a smaller show is really
32:07
fun for doing that.
32:08
>> Yeah. And again, I think, you know, if
32:11
if you're comfortable with just talking
32:13
to the vendors and, you know, asking
32:15
questions about the books you're buying,
32:18
I think, you know, that beats a DM. And
32:22
because when I'm DMing people, I feel
32:23
like I'm bothering them more than when
32:25
I'm just like having a back and forth.
32:26
You know what I mean? cuz uh so yeah, I
32:29
I don't I don't think
32:31
>> if anything I think now it's better than
32:33
it was as far as the the cons. People
32:37
people just like going out. I mean in
32:39
New Jersey especially I think around
32:42
March and this time people are this this
32:44
winter and you know was brutal.
32:46
>> Yeah.
32:47
>> Yeah. It was like 20° or less for since
32:51
December and I once like March came
32:54
around I feel like people were ready to
32:56
go out. I know a bunch of shows that I
32:58
were was planning to go to were
33:00
cancelled a few times uh throughout the
33:03
winter because of the weather. So, I do
33:06
think the benefit of shows in New Jersey
33:08
is even though there's so many is that
33:10
once that winter, you know, cabin fever
33:13
wears off, you're ready to get out and
33:15
and you know, socialize a bit.
33:18
So, being that you've talked to some of
33:20
the dealers and you have been, you know,
33:21
kind of still collecting, what I mean,
33:24
has anybody told you what people are
33:25
looking for? Like, regarding comics?
33:27
Obviously, Pokemon probably anything
33:29
right now is probably sellable or
33:30
viable, but comics wise, what do you
33:32
think or what have you been told that
33:34
people are looking for?
33:36
>> I always hear this, oh, Spider-Man is
33:38
like the king, you know? I always hear
33:40
the classic ASM are always the king. You
33:42
know, X-Men 2, but not as much as
33:44
Spider-Man. Um, I had some people leave
33:47
and they'll show me what they picked up
33:49
and a lot of people were picking up some
33:51
cool golden age books at the show.
33:54
>> There was a lot of great books at the
33:55
show this year. A lot.
33:56
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, stuff like that. But I
33:59
think it's always early ASM keys is
34:03
that's just
34:04
>> I mean you you're you're a big fan of
34:06
that. So am I.
34:07
>> Um, that's I think is the king. But I
34:10
think Claremont X-Men always does well.
34:12
Um, early X-Men. I think X-Men and and
34:16
Spider-Man are usually the top books
34:18
that people are going for.
34:20
>> I agree. And that I think that says a
34:22
lot about the market and who's buying
34:23
those books, right? I don't think you
34:24
buy Spider-Man X-Men without being a fan
34:27
for the most part. So, that's good. That
34:28
that tells you who's coming into the
34:30
market. It's not all dealers buying this
34:32
stuff. It's actual collectors and fans
34:34
of these actual characters. But, um,
34:36
>> it's funny because you know what? When I
34:38
was at the show this year, I was talking
34:40
to a few people and I saw a lot of
34:41
people buying like obscure things as
34:43
well. Like
34:44
>> Mark Mark Jeweler stuff. I saw a bunch
34:46
of people like, "Oh, Mark Jewelers, let
34:48
me get that." Uh books that like there
34:50
was one dealer had a couple of copies of
34:52
Cocaine Comics. People were asking about
34:53
that. Like you know what? A lot of stuff
34:55
that like you don't see all the time.
34:56
And that's what made the show like
34:58
really good this year because there was
34:59
a lot of books that were like, "Holy
35:00
[ __ ] I haven't seen that before." for
35:02
or like a lot of people looking for for
35:04
some really like weird stuff which I you
35:06
know right now like we talked about
35:08
before about me kind of going through
35:10
and and buying everything that I've
35:12
wanted to. So when I'm seeing new things
35:14
that that's really good and I think
35:15
that's also how other collectors are
35:17
feeling as well. That's what I'm doing
35:19
too is I'm looking for obser. I was
35:21
looking on eBay earlier because I saw
35:23
someone post a Nintendo Power graded a
35:26
graded Nintendo Power of uh I think it
35:29
was a WWF game and the cover is that I'd
35:31
never seen before. The cover is Hogan
35:33
leg dropping earthquake. Do you know the
35:35
Nintendo Power cover I'm talking about?
35:37
>> I I don't know that cover, but I'm still
35:38
trying to find number one complete
35:40
because that it's really hard to find
35:42
like the map and everything inside.
35:43
>> Oh, okay. So, I think those are that's
35:45
stuff that I'm kind of interested in
35:46
now. I'm like very bullish on uh like
35:49
Nintendo comics and stuff like that. Um
35:52
I'm trying to get a Zelda back in. I had
35:54
sold a Zelda uh first appearance for
35:56
you. I had done a big trade to upgrade
35:58
some books. Um but yeah, I love stuff
36:01
like that. Like Nintendo Power Sports
36:03
Illustrated. I have some like WWF, what
36:06
was it called? Battle
36:08
Battle World or Battle Stars or
36:10
something, you know, with Ultimate
36:11
Warrior and Undertaker on the cover.
36:13
Like I like I've been into that kind of
36:14
stuff on the comic side more than like
36:16
the traditional keys.
36:18
>> When you're at your when you're at your
36:20
own show, is it like hard to like not
36:22
shop around yourself? Cuz I know you got
36:23
a million things going on when you're at
36:25
the show. But
36:26
>> yeah, I usually this this show to be
36:28
honest, even my brother who who who
36:30
helps me there and and uh my wife. This
36:33
was the busiest we were that we barely
36:35
were able to like leave the table. Um it
36:38
was just it was non-stop all day. And
36:41
the interesting thing was once it was
36:42
done, all the comic guys cleared out
36:44
pretty quickly, but there were people
36:46
still making like big card deals, like
36:48
sitting together finalizing trades and
36:51
stuff like that, which was awesome
36:53
because I was nervous for uh for the
36:56
Pokemon guys a little bit because it was
36:57
the first time I had them there. Their
36:59
card shows are guaranteed to do well for
37:02
the most part. So, I had gotten a lot of
37:04
people that said, "No, I'm not really
37:05
interested in doing a comic show." And I
37:07
was like, you know, totally understand.
37:09
But then I think the people that did do
37:10
it were smart because they had a lot
37:12
less competition than they normally do
37:15
at at these car shows where there's like
37:17
40 or 50 vendors, you know, they were
37:19
one of 10 or 11 and they did really
37:22
really well and all of them were like, I
37:24
definitely want to come back next year
37:25
if I'm able to, you know, but um
37:30
I forgot what your question was. I went
37:31
off on a
37:33
>> All good. All good. I I'll go right into
37:35
the next one. Like obviously we are
37:37
where we are. We came from 20 2021.
37:39
Where do you see conventions going in
37:41
the next five to 10 years? Are we gonna
37:42
kind of grow or are we going to stay the
37:44
same or you think we're going to regress
37:45
a little bit?
37:46
>> I don't think we're going to regress. I
37:48
think I mean I think it's I I encourage
37:53
anyone to, you know, try to to run a
37:56
show. Just make sure you know the prices
37:59
are fair and make sure you have like a
38:01
kind of a goal of what you want. Um, as
38:03
far as the big shows,
38:06
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
38:08
how long they're going to do well. I
38:09
mean, no matter what. But I think I see
38:11
a lot of them relying more on like the
38:12
guests, you know, that's what I see.
38:14
Like I mean, if I'm I don't need to go
38:17
to New York Comic- Con, me personally,
38:19
to find comics. And I'm sure you don't,
38:21
you know what I mean?
38:23
>> Um you and I don't know 100% like if
38:27
you're going to get the best deals
38:28
there. um you know, I'm not that's not a
38:32
knock to the vendors or anything like
38:33
that, but I know their overheads are a
38:35
lot and
38:35
>> yeah,
38:36
>> just not where I would go anymore to to
38:39
like buy big books. Um but I do think
38:43
they'll thrive because I think the
38:45
culture is so big. People love dressing
38:48
up. People love going out there. People
38:50
love meeting the celebrities. People
38:51
love getting stuff signed. Um
38:54
so I think they'll continue to grow. I
38:57
just don't know how much the the comics
39:00
side of the the shows will continue to
39:02
grow because I know New York Comic- Con
39:04
it's starting to shrink a little bit.
39:05
That comic section always seems a little
39:06
smaller.
39:08
>> Um but I I love Terrificon.
39:10
>> I love Terrificon too. I I didn't go
39:11
last year. Um it's not because of
39:13
Terrificon, but like when you go to
39:14
Terrific, you're in Moheaggan. Yes, you
39:16
could stay outside the hotel, but for me
39:18
personally, I want to stay in the casino
39:20
casino and it's expensive. Like to stay
39:22
in the casino, it's expensive. So to me,
39:24
if I'm not going to look to buy a lot of
39:26
comics right now to to spend that kind
39:28
of money and stay there a couple of
39:29
nights, uh it's it's a lot. So that's
39:32
why I didn't go last year, but this year
39:33
it might be different.
39:34
>> Yeah, we we I haven't gone uh we didn't
39:37
go last year, but we we went like the
39:39
last three or four years before that.
39:41
It's just coming in a little harder for
39:43
someone to come watch the kids.
39:45
>> Um but that's a show where you get a
39:48
good a lot of good dealers because
39:50
there's some of the ones that that do
39:52
King Kong as well. Um, it's good to hunt
39:55
books there. Uh, and the guests are
39:58
always awesome. But the whole
40:00
experience, too, is like you can leave,
40:02
go, you know, do some casino stuff, go
40:05
get some food, go lay down in the hotel.
40:07
It's like you're you're you're like
40:08
there for it's like a, you know, like
40:10
it's almost like being at Disney. You're
40:12
like in a little bubble, you know what I
40:13
mean? So, that's one of my favorite
40:15
shows.
40:16
>> Uh, as far as the bigger shows to go to,
40:18
and they always have awesome guests. I
40:20
mean, um, I met Michael Bean there a few
40:23
years ago. I'm a big Terminator fan and
40:25
Aliens fan and, uh, I talked to him for
40:28
a while and so that was awesome. Um,
40:30
>> the guests, the guests at Terrific are
40:31
always topnotch. That's the big reason
40:33
to go there. If you want to meet actors,
40:35
creators, artists, writers, it's really
40:38
like second to none as far as having
40:41
guests there. Because to me, outside of
40:43
maybe, you know, San Diego, New York
40:44
Comic-Con, where it's so much bigger
40:46
than the Terrific Con, even though
40:48
Terrificon is still pretty big, the
40:49
amount of guests they have there and the
40:51
quality guests is is just awesome. Um,
40:53
you know, I I'd be remiss if I didn't
40:55
ask you this question because I have
40:56
thought about this going to your show
40:58
and that's ever think about doing a
41:00
second show during the year. We did the
41:03
first c the first couple years we did uh
41:05
we did a fall and a spring and um
41:09
we felt like the fall always like didn't
41:12
do as well. Um and I so I don't know if
41:16
it was we felt like it kind of you know
41:18
and then you know I had another kid and
41:20
it just it just got it got a lot to kind
41:23
of manage too but it's definitely
41:26
something I've I've thought about. I
41:28
just don't know if it fits into my
41:30
schedule. Um, and it would, you know, I
41:34
feel like, yeah, I just don't know. I
41:36
don't know. I guess I'm a little like
41:37
gunshy about going back to that.
41:40
>> And same thing with like upgrading. I
41:42
know people I have seen comments on
41:44
YouTube and stuff that this one was
41:45
really crowded and they they need to get
41:48
a bigger space. But it's tough because
41:50
that it's not just like I snap my
41:52
fingers and I have a bigger space. It's
41:54
New Jersey, man. These are ballrooms
41:55
that cost over 10 grand.
41:57
Then you got to start thinking about
41:59
charging higher ticket prices and
42:01
charging more for the vendors and you
42:04
know then you get people saying it's too
42:05
expensive. You know what I mean? It's
42:07
like you gotta it's just like a a
42:09
balance you know.
42:10
>> Yeah. At the end of the day you have to
42:12
make sure like you said before about
42:14
parking. You have to make sure that um
42:15
everybody can get in and that the
42:17
quality of vendors are there. That's the
42:19
biggest thing for me whenever I go to a
42:20
show. It's like I hate to say this but I
42:23
went to a show this morning. It was a
42:24
toy show and I got to be honest, there
42:26
wasn't much there that I was interested.
42:28
The show was packed. Don't get me wrong,
42:29
it was packed, but like from a vintage
42:31
aspect, if you're a vintage collector, I
42:33
wanted to see more vintage stuff. So,
42:35
>> yeah.
42:35
>> Uh, as we wind this down, let me ask you
42:38
something. If somebody wanted to start
42:40
looking into doing their own show,
42:42
what's the best advice you can give
42:43
them?
42:45
um start going to shows like more
42:47
consistently and see what you like and
42:50
you know just start analyzing the
42:52
process uh of what you're you know
42:55
experiencing
42:57
and how you would translate it and what
42:58
you do like and what you don't like what
43:00
you would what you would fix. Make sure
43:02
you can afford it just it doesn't hurt
43:04
to talk to a hotel or even a VF hall or
43:07
a school. Um, and the best way to do it
43:11
is just to to do it and because you're
43:12
going to make mistakes, something is
43:14
going to go wrong. It's impossible for
43:16
it not to, but that's how you learn. I
43:18
mean, with everyone, even my my
43:20
full-time job, like sometimes something
43:21
happens, and that's the only way you're
43:24
going to learn is if something happens
43:25
that wasn't supposed to, and then you
43:27
learn how to make it not happen the next
43:29
time. But
43:30
>> I would start by just kind of going to a
43:33
show, seeing what you like, what you
43:34
don't like, what you feel like works,
43:35
and obviously have a real passion for
43:37
it. You know, you don't want to do it.
43:39
Don't do it for the money because it's
43:40
it's not like a lucrative
43:42
>> thing, you know, you just have to I
43:44
loved shows as a kid.
43:46
>> Uh, and I kind of wanted to just
43:48
recreate that um passion, you know, as
43:50
an adult.
43:52
>> That's awesome, man. Well, listen, I
43:53
really want to thank you for coming on
43:54
the show today. Tell everybody out there
43:56
where they can find you, all your
43:57
socials, things like that.
44:00
>> Uh, you could find me basically just
44:01
follow me at KingChan Show on Instagram.
44:05
Um,
44:06
I am going to be vending uh some cards.
44:11
So, um, uh, at shows. So, I'm going to
44:13
be posting some stuff on there. And I
44:15
think I'm I'm planning on trying to vend
44:17
at the Three Men Swap and, uh, for
44:19
comics and maybe cards at their uh,
44:21
Connecticut Comic Swap. Um, so yeah,
44:24
follow me at King Con Show. There's no
44:26
G. And then keep keep an eye out for
44:28
updates, you know, like uh I haven't
44:30
reached out to the hotel again yet and
44:33
uh about anything. Um it's just uh you
44:37
know, we feel like the show just ended
44:39
like three weeks ago, so I'm still kind
44:41
of like winding down from that last one,
44:43
but just follow me there and you know,
44:45
you'll see some updates.
44:47
>> Exactly. We're all looking forward to
44:48
see what the next Guerilla and the
44:51
promos are going to be, man. That's what
44:52
I'm looking forward to most.
44:53
>> I know. I know. Yeah. I just can't, you
44:56
know, I think I think it it'll be uh I
44:58
think it'll be a hit.
44:59
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