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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, November 5 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Five years of Jaguars football. That could never happen. When
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Speaker 1: you're taking a knee, the game is over. Jaguars, did
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Speaker 1: you Jack, Jack Warris? Did Jaguars Drive Time? Ryan Sex
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Speaker 1: steps that John? Actually, Jaguarris Drive Time starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into Jack's Drive Time Tuesday Morning, brought to you
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Speaker 1: by Jet Home Loans, recapping the Jaguars lost the Houston Texans,
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Speaker 1: saw the four and five on the season, and soon
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Speaker 1: we'll be taking a much needed break from football. But
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Speaker 1: we are not taking any breaks. Yes we are. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but it's coming five hours from now. Yeah, it's coming.
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Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's hear what Gardner Minshew has to
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Speaker 1: say about the loss. Yeah, it sucks man um an
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Speaker 1: execute of times, didn't make the plays we need to win. Um.
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Speaker 1: So Yeah, and it's not fun. That basically sums it up.
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Speaker 1: Nothing else left to say from Gardner minshuwa not loss.
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Speaker 1: It was a quick press conference here and he really
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Speaker 1: didn't have to say anything else. Well, and let's clarify,
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Speaker 1: there was a little buzz out there that Gardner walked off.
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Speaker 1: He don't answer one question. Uh, it was a small
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Speaker 1: group in there, only a couple of reporters usually asked questions.
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Speaker 1: I was one of them. I was getting back into
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Speaker 1: the locker room and didn't ask anything else. Jean for
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Speaker 1: who asked the first question, was done so I don't
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Speaker 1: want to be painted like Gardner was pouting, like he
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Speaker 1: was trying to get out of there quick. No, but
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Speaker 1: he didn't hesitate to say, hey, gud, let's talk about this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was ready to leave, but it wasn't
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Speaker 1: like he was being a jerk about it. No. I
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Speaker 1: didn't think so he was ready to go, And I
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Speaker 1: see want of people to think that, oh, first time
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Speaker 1: things went bad, he behaved poorly. I didn't get that
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Speaker 1: vibe from I just thought at some point he was
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Speaker 1: ready to get out and took the opportunity. I thought
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a good look, but I didn't think it
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Speaker 1: was because of him. It's just the whole what's the
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Speaker 1: politic word, optics of the whole thing. Um, it was
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Speaker 1: there was a quick trigger there. It was like the
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Speaker 1: British media or not as aggressive or assertive in asking questions. Um.
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Speaker 1: I was sitting there because I was typing out quick
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Speaker 1: thoughts and I thought, well, it's over already, rightly. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know he had a right to be frustrated. Had
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Speaker 1: four turnovers in the fourth quarter of a game that
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Speaker 1: really didn't feel very competitive from the Jaguars perspective. So
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Speaker 1: if I were him, I would have been ready to
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Speaker 1: get off the stage. Also, I can't blame him, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't even care about before turnover. That was so
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Speaker 1: far after the fact that it was what happened early
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Speaker 1: that was not good for him. But the four turnovers,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's what people saw at the end of
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Speaker 1: the game, and they were going to hang on them.
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Speaker 1: The wheels fell off at that point, right, that's a
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Speaker 1: good way to put it. All. Right, let's get into
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Speaker 1: big things. Big thing one is the decision. It is here,
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Speaker 1: who's gonna be your starting quarterback next week? And then
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Speaker 1: Jaguars travel to play the Colts. Dug mo Own addresses
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Speaker 1: the decision after the loss. I haven't spoken to either
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Speaker 1: quarterback yet, um and I hate, you know, talking to
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Speaker 1: the media with my plans, but you know my plans
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Speaker 1: were again the disappointment of the team, you know, not
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Speaker 1: performing well, will be on my mind now for the
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Speaker 1: next four d eight hours. I think after those four
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Speaker 1: eight hours over, I'm gonna step away a little bit
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Speaker 1: and take a break because I don't have to make
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Speaker 1: a decision or have time. Um, that's what I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: talk to the quarterbacks about, and then I'll tell them,
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Speaker 1: probably right before we come back on Sunday. We'll be
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Speaker 1: able to discuss where we're gonna go. That's pretty much
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Speaker 1: my plan. Big thing, too, is the outlook. Before Sunday's lost,
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Speaker 1: you were still bringing up the playoffs and what could
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Speaker 1: happen if you won this game and the Colts lost
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Speaker 1: this game? But can you still even talk about the
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Speaker 1: playoffs at this point? What is the outlook going into
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Speaker 1: the second half of the season. Chris Connelly says, it
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Speaker 1: has to be pretty much perfect. As for the season,
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Speaker 1: you know, we have no margin for air left and
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Speaker 1: the tiebreaker goes to Houston, and right now we're gonna
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Speaker 1: need some help. But really we gotta we gotta win games.
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Speaker 1: We gotta win games that are tough like this on
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Speaker 1: the road when things are ideal, when things don't start fast,
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Speaker 1: we have to be able to recover. And finally, Big
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Speaker 1: thing three is the to do list? What should the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars work on during the bye week. We asked this
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Speaker 1: question because a few weeks ago we were saying, Oh,
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Speaker 1: they're back to the two thousand seventeen Jaguars. They have
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Speaker 1: a good defense, they're running the ball. Neither of those
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Speaker 1: things happened against the Texans, for not only had forty
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Speaker 1: yards rushing, they completely took away the running game. The
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Speaker 1: defense at times fell apart with big plays. What do
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Speaker 1: you gotta work on going into the bye week, Well,
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Speaker 1: you get to make your decision first. I mean all
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Speaker 1: of that is secondary to who's your quarterback. Um. To me,
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Speaker 1: this is a simple one. This is not a rebuilding team.
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Speaker 1: If it had been, if this was a season where
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Speaker 1: your expectation was to win some games and identify some players, well,
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Speaker 1: then Gardner minsh you should stay in the lineup. But
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Speaker 1: this was identified as a season that you were going
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Speaker 1: for the playoffs. And despite the fact that you're behind
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Speaker 1: the eight ball now, you spent eighty eight million dollars
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Speaker 1: on Nick tools. I'm not trying to be deluded by
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Speaker 1: the warm ups that I've watched in Cincinnati with Nick
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Speaker 1: putting the ball in a dime. But I did see
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Speaker 1: some tape and I think it's gonna be up on
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com later today. Jeff Lockman basically confirming what
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Speaker 1: I saw from the field on Sunday was that Mince,
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Speaker 1: you missed open receivers down the field where there were
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Speaker 1: opportunities for big plays. Is it the arm that was
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Speaker 1: sore and he didn't think he could get it there?
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Speaker 1: Was it identification? I don't know. I'll leave that up
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Speaker 1: to coaches. What I know is is that if Nick
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Speaker 1: Foles is on the field, they have a better chance
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Speaker 1: because of his body of work and his experience over
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Speaker 1: the second half of the season to go six and one.
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Speaker 1: Although that seems like a stretch, Um, but that's what
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Speaker 1: I think it takes for you to be a playoff
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Speaker 1: team this year, and I think you have a greater
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Speaker 1: opportunity to do that with Fools than you do with
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Speaker 1: the rookie sixth round pick. Despite how exciting he is,
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Speaker 1: I think that Fools is the best choice for this
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Speaker 1: franchise based on their expectations for this year. Minshu Mania
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Speaker 1: can still happen in the future. He's gonna happen in
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Speaker 1: the next seven weeks. You mentioned the money, Ryan, I
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Speaker 1: don't think you pay Folds because you paid him the money.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you play Fold because you
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Speaker 1: paid the money. But let me clarify that you believed
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Speaker 1: in something about him. In March, you built your plans
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Speaker 1: strongly enough to pay him. So the fact that you
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Speaker 1: believed in that means that you believe there's something there
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Speaker 1: that's special, so you stick with that plan at this point.
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Speaker 1: The second thing, and I kind of thought of this
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Speaker 1: when Conley was talking, Uh, and I don't think he
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Speaker 1: meant this, but I think perhaps it was it was
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Speaker 1: in the air. Uh. They've got to be better at
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Speaker 1: winning a game when things don't go right quickly. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's what Foals is. Foals isn't necessarily a guy who's
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Speaker 1: going to come out in six straight games and play
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Speaker 1: great quarters, but he is a guy who who if
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Speaker 1: things can go bad for two or three quarters, can
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Speaker 1: still come back and make it happen in the fourth court.
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Speaker 1: And I ment, She's been that guy too, Don't get
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Speaker 1: me wrong, but at this point folds as experience. Foles
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Speaker 1: has been there, done that. Uh. To me, there's no
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Speaker 1: question you go back for right. And look what we
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Speaker 1: saw on Sunday was the Texans had a very controlled
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Speaker 1: plan of rushing Gardner Minshew. They wanted to keep him
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Speaker 1: in the pocket, but in case he escaped. Guys were
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Speaker 1: very disciplined on the Texans front. They stayed in their
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Speaker 1: lanes and he ran back amongst them and in several
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Speaker 1: situations was tackled at or near the line of scrimmage.
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Speaker 1: It was the Saints game plan. It was all over again.
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Speaker 1: And see, I didn't think they could pull it off.
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Speaker 1: No JJ want right. So the Cam Jordan thing didn't work,
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Speaker 1: and their secondary was minus Bradley Roby and two Shaun Gibson,
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Speaker 1: and I thought I didn't see them being able to
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Speaker 1: pull that off. But credit to them, they did and
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Speaker 1: showed us a young quarterback who made a lot of
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Speaker 1: progress but isn't ready to lead this team to the
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Speaker 1: playoffs this year. And whether you think that's the most
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Speaker 1: absurd statement or not, playoffs and Jaguars, that's what the
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Speaker 1: goal was. And you say, you don't give up in
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Speaker 1: that goal until you have to. You don't. You don't
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Speaker 1: play him because you paid him. I do. If I'm
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Speaker 1: the owner and I spent that money, I want to
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Speaker 1: see him on the field. It's Doug's decision. I totally
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Speaker 1: get that, but I'm just had to have believed in
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Speaker 1: it too, and I get it. And that's what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying is is that the money is indicative of my
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Speaker 1: commitment to the plan, that he was the guy, and
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Speaker 1: I don't abandon the plan because there's another young quarterback
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Speaker 1: that I like. I go back to the plan because
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Speaker 1: my plan was designed to get me to the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: to sell tickets, to grow your fan base in Jacksonville,
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Speaker 1: which they need. If you go to his comments over
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Speaker 1: the weekend and you were there for them, winning goes
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Speaker 1: hand in hand with success in Jacksonville at the gate,
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Speaker 1: which is critical to the overall financial success. So Minshew
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Speaker 1: can still be the long term here, but Falls is
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Speaker 1: the short term this year, next year, or whatever they
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Speaker 1: determine it to be. You have to go back to Falls.
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Speaker 1: Here's my question. Um, the cover two, single high defensive
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Speaker 1: clearly worked against this team. It's not just working because
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Speaker 1: of Minshow's struggles against it, it's also king the other
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Speaker 1: day you had Chris Conley DJ Shark a a leg
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Speaker 1: weary DJ Chark. It looks like after nine games of
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Speaker 1: being sort of being the guy for the first time
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Speaker 1: and keeling Cole as your weapons, just because Minshew missed
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Speaker 1: a couple doesn't mean those receivers were winning all the
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Speaker 1: time they need D. D. Westbrook back, and then they
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Speaker 1: need those guys to do it. Is somebody's got to
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Speaker 1: get open the middle field and make plays, or this
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Speaker 1: defense is also going to work against Folds. So yes,
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Speaker 1: you have a better chance with Folds. But I don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily want to say everything that happened poorly the other
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Speaker 1: day was all Gardner Minshew. Well, no, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying that either, but I'm saying, if you hit on
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Speaker 1: there's one that jeffyal show. I think it was the
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Speaker 1: first play of the second half where Chris Connley is
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Speaker 1: so wide open. It's a seventy yard touchdown, maybe seventy
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Speaker 1: five yards from the from the twenty five yard line
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Speaker 1: where it was. Well, that changes the dynamic of the game. Now,
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Speaker 1: the counter is you could argue that Chris Chris DJ
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Speaker 1: Chark's play at the four yard line, which was a
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Speaker 1: ridiculous penalty, utterlyiculous, that they threw the flag on that, Well,
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Speaker 1: then maybe they score and that changes the game too.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I see all of that. The middle of
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Speaker 1: the field has been a problem because they don't have
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Speaker 1: a tight end. This team desperately needs a body in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the field. And maybe Josh Oliver is
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Speaker 1: that for Gardner in the future. He's not that right now.
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Speaker 1: James O'Shaughnessy was for Minshew and he's not because of
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Speaker 1: the knee injury. So the reality of it is is
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Speaker 1: that until the middle of the field becomes something that
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Speaker 1: the too high cover stuff is going to work against Gardner.
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Speaker 1: And I think fools can beat that. I think he
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Speaker 1: beats it because he's got a greater body of work,
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Speaker 1: something to fall back on um and he's a stronger
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Speaker 1: arm quite honestly, and you're right, I think he's the hope.
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Speaker 1: And but you also better think that. It's give me
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Speaker 1: three or four days spent in the next ten trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out how to get Josh Oliver are involved.
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Speaker 1: And Folds are gonna have to beat that kind too,
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Speaker 1: because that's what they're going to see the entire rest
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Speaker 1: of the season. Because they've seen the success and how
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Speaker 1: it's worked. Coaches offensive coordinators will not be able to
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Speaker 1: fool Nick Foles as they have Gardner Minshew. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, that's because Minshew is a rookie. He's a
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Speaker 1: very smart forty two on the Wonder Lick rookie and
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Speaker 1: will overcome it. But right now where they are, with
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Speaker 1: where they wanted to go, there is no reason to
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Speaker 1: leave Minshew in when you've got full sitting there. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, not to be left out. This is
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Speaker 1: what Fols has done the last two seasons. Come into
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Speaker 1: the game after November begins and lead a team to
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Speaker 1: a winning streak and a playoff berth. This is what
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Speaker 1: he does. If you had that bullet sitting off, or
11:30
Speaker 1: that gun, or you choose your analogy, that car in
11:33
Speaker 1: your driveway, you would drive that car. If that's the
11:36
Speaker 1: car that gets on the road and get you into
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Speaker 1: a playoff push. I've got I've got a two thousand
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Speaker 1: seven escapes pretty much now that that wouldn't do it.
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Speaker 1: But Joe's got a nice alley. Maybe that's the car.
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Speaker 1: We've had a seven escape here before. What an analogy?
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Speaker 1: Who would have thought we were going there? All right? Hey,
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Speaker 1: we gotta talk about this one too real quickly. That
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Speaker 1: is um the outlook, and that is what does it
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Speaker 1: take to become a playoff team. I think I think,
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Speaker 1: first of all, I get that this is not what
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Speaker 1: they're going to be talking about. You gotta go six
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Speaker 1: and one at the very least shift to go five
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Speaker 1: and two and got to have things work out in
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Speaker 1: your favor. You have five games left against the a
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Speaker 1: f C, three in the Division, two against the Colts,
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Speaker 1: one against the Titans, the Chargers and the Raiders, by
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Speaker 1: the way, both of them look like they're going to
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Speaker 1: be charging towards a a wild card run themselves. So
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Speaker 1: you need to win those five games because you got
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Speaker 1: your way behind the A brill obviously against Houston. Then
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Speaker 1: you've got games against the Buccaneers and the Falcons um
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Speaker 1: which I think you can look at and go, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they can win those. You gotta win those five games
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Speaker 1: against the a f C. You can't lose one of
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Speaker 1: those games and expect That's a tall order for a team. Look,
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Speaker 1: I expected them because they were missing the Texans were
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Speaker 1: missing their best offensive lineman, their best defensive lineman, two
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Speaker 1: thirds of their secondary. I expected this team to go
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Speaker 1: play well in a place they know how to play.
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Speaker 1: They did not. So I can't it here and say, well,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars will go five and two, right or uh,
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Speaker 1: six and one and they'll make a playoff runt. I
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Speaker 1: can't beat the selling who Last night J P. Shutdickers
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Speaker 1: tell me this morning, said Locke, It they're going seven
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Speaker 1: and oh right. I get there was maybe a little
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Speaker 1: tongue in cheek there, but I think realistic was skiing
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Speaker 1: glass as it were. You have to to give yourself
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Speaker 1: any chance. There's no margin for eric. Chris Connley said it.
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Speaker 1: You have to win all five of your remaining a
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Speaker 1: f C games. You have to. This is part of
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Speaker 1: my Bernie Wood fire Girl hold off. But I will
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Speaker 1: say what I missed going into this game, Brian, Um
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Speaker 1: I missed. I thought the same thing you did. I
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Speaker 1: thought they were gonna have a lot of match of advantages,
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Speaker 1: the talent differential. I didn't realize without that, the loss
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Speaker 1: of Westbrook. I guess I didn't add it up and
13:48
Speaker 1: realized that that meant your skill position weapons in the
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Speaker 1: passing game with one receiver down right now becomes Chris Conley,
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Speaker 1: Keelan Cole and dhr. That's tough sledding. I think those
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Speaker 1: guys aren't good, but they're not enough. You're right, and
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Speaker 1: I think the absence of d J. Hayden hurt this
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Speaker 1: team as well. He had been playing very well on
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Speaker 1: that side of the ball. Uh they like brown borders.
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Speaker 1: I thought he played okay um, but not having him
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Speaker 1: out there to direct traffic it allowed to Shaun Watson
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Speaker 1: to make some free throws. I can't point out anything
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Speaker 1: that happened because Hayden wasn't in the game, but I
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Speaker 1: can say that for the first eight games of the season,
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Speaker 1: it seemed like every time you looked up once a game,
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Speaker 1: he was making a play that made a difference. Without him,
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Speaker 1: you didn't get that. Yeah, and I think Brian you
14:32
Speaker 1: can agree that it just kind of felt off the
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Speaker 1: entire game, like a lack of energy, juice. You were
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Speaker 1: waiting for something to happen. It kind of was just
14:39
Speaker 1: they had a little juice in the pregame and then
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Speaker 1: it went away quickly because they just couldn't. It's funny
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Speaker 1: they won the coin toss and I thought, just take
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Speaker 1: the ball, right, I mean, it's they decline it whenever
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Speaker 1: they win it. Just take the ball and give Minshew
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Speaker 1: the ball in the stadium where people are excited to
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Speaker 1: see him play. I saw mustaches and head bands at
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Speaker 1: any event around London and it was ubiquitous. Let's let
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Speaker 1: him go, and instead they gave the ball to Shawn
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Speaker 1: Watson went right down the field. Now they only got
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Speaker 1: a field goal, but they grab momentum right there. Right.
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Speaker 1: Let I get this team was based on defense in
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Speaker 1: the running game, but it's shifting to offense. Let's let
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Speaker 1: the offense have the ball first, go down the field
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Speaker 1: and score that. It might be just a moot point,
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Speaker 1: but it felt that way to me because once Watson
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Speaker 1: got rolling, the Jaguars seemed to be reeling. Yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna have to stop this guy. That guy get started first,
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Speaker 1: go down the field and score. All right, when we
15:28
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Speaker 1: Jags fans. Welcome back, Jags Drive Time Tuesday Morning, brought
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Speaker 1: through some highlights of that loss to the Houston Texans.
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Speaker 1: Let's start in the second quarter. This is just one
17:30
Speaker 1: example of the Shawn Watson making something out of absolutely nothing,
17:34
Speaker 1: and then Jaguars having trouble all day, getting him down
17:36
Speaker 1: and sacking him six wats and the throwing Watson it
17:43
Speaker 1: was froudly taking down the foot lot to actually dropped
17:47
Speaker 1: the pass without hind Todd. I'm not a little to
17:52
Speaker 1: train a few examples of that during the laws. But
17:56
Speaker 1: let's go to the third quarter, first drive of the half,
17:58
Speaker 1: coaches going into the locker room a four halftime saying,
18:01
Speaker 1: this is a one score game. You know, we got this,
18:03
Speaker 1: we got this. Chart gets called for offensive past interference
18:06
Speaker 1: and the Jags think they're settling for a field goal,
18:09
Speaker 1: and then this happens. Forty nine yard attempt snap over
18:15
Speaker 1: and it doesn't get al off, book out, balls loose.
18:18
Speaker 1: It's called a fluble flabble hops on it, and the
18:22
Speaker 1: Texans were the disastrous special tang. Yeah, that that was
18:27
Speaker 1: just ugly lost a ton of momentum. And then we
18:30
Speaker 1: go to the fourth quarter, first drive, it's fourth intend
18:33
Speaker 1: the Jags going for it because you have to at
18:35
Speaker 1: this point four chard worth of ten rose one and
18:42
Speaker 1: it's called broad Conley and now it's cold as he
18:46
Speaker 1: didn't get it a Dallian Conley all the myr own
18:51
Speaker 1: challenges a call and the call stands. It was not
18:53
Speaker 1: a catch, failed fourth down conversion and now here here
18:57
Speaker 1: is where the wheels start to fall off. The Jaguars
18:59
Speaker 1: down ninety the three. At this point you have to
19:01
Speaker 1: get moving and Minshoe, I, I don't know where he's
19:04
Speaker 1: going name make shoot over the middle, throws too hot
19:14
Speaker 1: and it's intercepted, intercepted by the dome and that should
19:20
Speaker 1: just about rapids and finally a positive that turned into
19:24
Speaker 1: a negative. Jared Wilson makes a fantastic play on what
19:27
Speaker 1: looks like a touchdown from Carlos Hide going fifty eight
19:31
Speaker 1: yards in this final decisions. That's right off the guys.
19:41
Speaker 1: It's Carlo's hot, a jack Carlo's hot go for the episode.
19:45
Speaker 1: I'm a ball is loose, Paul was loose. Jacksonville falls
19:49
Speaker 1: on it and it then roll the touchback John Wilson.
19:55
Speaker 1: Great play by Darren Wilson. Ball goes back into Minshoe's hands.
19:58
Speaker 1: The very next play points interception. Defense doesn't even have
20:02
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down on the bench. They're back
20:03
Speaker 1: on the field at that point, it's it game over.
20:05
Speaker 1: Give the kid a breathing four fourth quarter turnovers, and
20:08
Speaker 1: again the game was decided by that point. But you
20:11
Speaker 1: see that and the frustration. It just fits. I want
20:14
Speaker 1: to go back to the top, and Abray Jones came back.
20:19
Speaker 1: That was the Watson play where they had been blowing
20:22
Speaker 1: the whistle on quarterbacks like this around the league, and
20:25
Speaker 1: defenders had been taught not to hit. There are a
20:27
Speaker 1: couple of players that fit into this category, but not
20:29
Speaker 1: to come and just clobber the quarterbacks. So guys are
20:31
Speaker 1: holding off because they don't want to kill him and
20:33
Speaker 1: kill their team with the fifteen yard penalty, right, go down, right,
20:36
Speaker 1: But he dumps it off like that. Avery Jones was
20:38
Speaker 1: going banana saying, hit him, hit him, hit him. If
20:41
Speaker 1: that's the way they're gonna call the game, And if
20:42
Speaker 1: Watson's going to get that extra half second to dump
20:46
Speaker 1: the ball off because the officials understand he's a playmaker,
20:49
Speaker 1: then we have to pound him, pound him, pound him.
20:52
Speaker 1: And I thought that was a very wise thing to
20:54
Speaker 1: recognize on Abrey's part, if they're going to give him
20:57
Speaker 1: the extra second right to make that play instead of
20:59
Speaker 1: blowing the whistle, right there, you gotta make him pay
21:02
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, the league has got a problem with
21:03
Speaker 1: this because um and again this is not the primary
21:07
Speaker 1: issue of that game and this show. But in a
21:10
Speaker 1: sense it does go back to there's more and more
21:12
Speaker 1: mobile quarterbacks, not quite who do things when under duress
21:17
Speaker 1: like this guy does. But I thought there are a
21:20
Speaker 1: couple of plays where traditionally would have been in the grasp.
21:24
Speaker 1: And now what's the defender is supposed to do if
21:26
Speaker 1: he hits a guy one week, he's getting a penalty
21:28
Speaker 1: if he lays off because he doesn't want to get
21:30
Speaker 1: a penalty. Now all of a sudden, he can pitch
21:32
Speaker 1: back when he's going down to his running back or
21:36
Speaker 1: make a throw. Uh. This is not unique. This has
21:40
Speaker 1: happened over the years where there has been this sort
21:44
Speaker 1: of issue, But it was really an issue Sunday and
21:47
Speaker 1: in a game that at one point Brian was a
21:49
Speaker 1: nine three game, and there's little plays that turned third
21:53
Speaker 1: down or big plays that turned third down into first
21:55
Speaker 1: Because of this issue, it can flip the game. Just
21:58
Speaker 1: like the DJ Tart play. The game there was three
22:00
Speaker 1: nothing there and they went to score touchdown, they might
22:02
Speaker 1: have had to settled for a field goal instead of
22:03
Speaker 1: that conversion and you have a different game. The reason
22:06
Speaker 1: that I went back to it at the top, besides
22:08
Speaker 1: the recollection of watching Abrey Jones admonished his teammates to
22:11
Speaker 1: hit him, hit him, hit him, was because he's in
22:13
Speaker 1: the division. Right. If you're gonna want to win the
22:15
Speaker 1: division and get a home playoff game, you're gonna have
22:17
Speaker 1: to go through those guys and him and how you
22:20
Speaker 1: play Peyton Manning. Right, if you're Jack del Rio back
22:22
Speaker 1: in the mid two thousand's and you're building a defense
22:25
Speaker 1: to contend, you have to build a defense and a
22:27
Speaker 1: philosophy that you know how to play this cat. And
22:31
Speaker 1: that's a big thing because there were two or three
22:33
Speaker 1: times where you thought he was down and the officials
22:36
Speaker 1: are gonna call it down because they're gonna protect the
22:38
Speaker 1: quarterback in the grass, and they didn't, and the Jaguars
22:41
Speaker 1: backed off. So not only will the Jaguars address it
22:44
Speaker 1: with the officials in the off season how do we
22:46
Speaker 1: best play this, but they'll address it with their players.
22:50
Speaker 1: They have to. Slaney mentioned I think going into this
22:54
Speaker 1: segment or come out of the last one, that that
22:55
Speaker 1: they looked listless. Um. I I know you guys have
23:00
Speaker 1: a different perspective cure on the sidelines, and I'm watching
23:02
Speaker 1: the press box. I didn't think they looked listless until
23:06
Speaker 1: after the fifth time that they almost had Hopkins down,
23:10
Speaker 1: I mean, wasn't down, didn't get him. I thought they
23:14
Speaker 1: looked energetic from the past rush against a different team
23:18
Speaker 1: where he's not jumping out of every every in the
23:21
Speaker 1: grasp and it was like that call made anything like
23:24
Speaker 1: that happened. He made some incredible plays, but I think that,
23:28
Speaker 1: to me is what made the Jaguars all of a
23:30
Speaker 1: sudden look listless, was if they had had those five sacks,
23:33
Speaker 1: we would be talking about what another defense. It was
23:36
Speaker 1: so sometimes circumstance. I didn't think they came out not
23:40
Speaker 1: ready to play. I think by halftime they were thinking,
23:42
Speaker 1: how in the world we're gonna get this guy down,
23:44
Speaker 1: And there was some frustration, And I didn't worry necessarily
23:47
Speaker 1: about the Carlos hide play at the end of the game.
23:49
Speaker 1: That felt like a game over. Guys trying to jump
23:52
Speaker 1: into a gap and all of a sudden, he's at
23:54
Speaker 1: the back door. And it was a great job by
23:55
Speaker 1: Jerry Wilson to turn a negative into a positive, and
23:58
Speaker 1: it lifted his team. That's the way that a guy
24:00
Speaker 1: like Wilson's gonna shine him. And he he's a big cat,
24:03
Speaker 1: and he was running down the field was six two
24:05
Speaker 1: or six three. And by the way, did we see
24:08
Speaker 1: anything even remotely like this from Carlos Hide in the
24:10
Speaker 1: time he was here. He saw a guy last year,
24:13
Speaker 1: he who he didn't want to be here, and he
24:14
Speaker 1: was ready to quite absolutely and and wanted out. And
24:18
Speaker 1: that's fine. I think everybody else wanted about too. One
24:21
Speaker 1: point on Gardner Minha, I never gonna talk about him
24:23
Speaker 1: the whole show. Uh. It looked to me in the
24:26
Speaker 1: fourth quarter with the high throws and maybe even all
24:29
Speaker 1: day a little bit he had to grow in a
24:32
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, he's I've been on the injury port
24:35
Speaker 1: with the shoulder injury. UM. I don't want to say
24:38
Speaker 1: that that was the reason for everything that happened on Sunday,
24:41
Speaker 1: but if you think about it, a long game, a
24:44
Speaker 1: long trip along stretch against NFL players, it did seem
24:48
Speaker 1: in the second half like perhaps all of those circumstances
24:52
Speaker 1: maybe got to him a little bit, and that's why
24:54
Speaker 1: you had the high throws, the you know, everything sort
24:57
Speaker 1: of going against Um again, it's it's just I don't
25:01
Speaker 1: think if any question is going to be Folds, I
25:02
Speaker 1: think it's time and I think what needs to be
25:05
Speaker 1: said a lot is what an incredible job this kid did.
25:09
Speaker 1: And I know it's for it's been sort of taken
25:14
Speaker 1: off that focus because it's Folds minste Folds Minshew. And
25:17
Speaker 1: if you're on one side, you hate the people on
25:19
Speaker 1: the other side. Right now, I mean it's that kind
25:21
Speaker 1: of thing. But if we had said at oh and
25:24
Speaker 1: one that he would get you to four and five,
25:26
Speaker 1: He's a rookie quarterback, six round pick who looked terribly
25:28
Speaker 1: in the preseason, all that storyline, what a job he's done.
25:32
Speaker 1: He's still the first half m v P. But it's
25:35
Speaker 1: time to let the veteran take over. I think it's
25:38
Speaker 1: in his defense. Um, they were close to a win
25:41
Speaker 1: against Carolina. They were close, even though they didn't play
25:45
Speaker 1: well against New Orleans, right, I mean, they were in
25:47
Speaker 1: the game the entire game. He could have with a
25:52
Speaker 1: little help here there, he might have gotten to five
25:54
Speaker 1: and three. You might have had a winning record with
25:55
Speaker 1: the kids. There was until a bad call. To be
25:57
Speaker 1: honest with you, there were chances for them to do it,
26:00
Speaker 1: so I get it. And and one more thing on
26:02
Speaker 1: the on the field fourth down conversion where Chris Connley
26:04
Speaker 1: appeared to have the catch and then they're defender's arm
26:08
Speaker 1: was in there between him and being able to pull
26:09
Speaker 1: the ball in. Well, that was a great throw. Sore
26:13
Speaker 1: arm and long week and sore groin and all of
26:15
Speaker 1: that aside, he still gave you a chance. When the
26:18
Speaker 1: game was it would have made it a nine point
26:20
Speaker 1: game had they scored a touchdown there. He still gave
26:22
Speaker 1: you a chance with a good throw. He's shown enough
26:25
Speaker 1: flashes for you to go, Okay, there is our jar
26:28
Speaker 1: on the sholf. Let's get him healthy. Let's make sure
26:30
Speaker 1: that he learns over the next seven games. You know
26:33
Speaker 1: from Nick and the way that Nick plays this thing,
26:34
Speaker 1: and see where he's at at the end of the season.
26:36
Speaker 1: Here's the interesting thing, and I know we've probably touched
26:38
Speaker 1: on this in the past. You've got the two first
26:42
Speaker 1: round picks and he's the next two years. Now, whatever
26:46
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do in the off seasons moving forward,
26:50
Speaker 1: guess what you probably don't need to do with any
26:52
Speaker 1: of this first pick a quarterback that maybe the ultimate
26:57
Speaker 1: thing once we get through these next seen how they
27:00
Speaker 1: turn out that you're talking about in January is okay. Now,
27:03
Speaker 1: whatever we're gonna do because you reset every offseason, well,
27:07
Speaker 1: now this reset doesn't have to involve Okay, we've got
27:09
Speaker 1: the seventh pick in the you know, or the twelve.
27:14
Speaker 1: How do we package to move up to get a key?
27:16
Speaker 1: You need to worry about that. You can just pick
27:18
Speaker 1: the best point. Well, and there's a bunch of quarterbacks
27:19
Speaker 1: out there who will be sitting somewhere between I would
27:22
Speaker 1: guess twenty and one. Depending on that, you might be
27:25
Speaker 1: in a position to be able to back up because
27:27
Speaker 1: you don't need watch and be able to and you
27:29
Speaker 1: don't need well you take a good receiver, but you don't.
27:32
Speaker 1: That's where it's strong. You're going to be able to
27:34
Speaker 1: if you're Dave coldwell take a good receiver. Well, I
27:37
Speaker 1: don't doubt that. However, it's not a priority. I think
27:40
Speaker 1: tight end off interior offensive lineman if there's a great one.
27:43
Speaker 1: You look at what Quentin Nelson meant to the Colds
27:45
Speaker 1: and I don't know if there's one of them out there,
27:47
Speaker 1: but you know you can get some. Let me put
27:49
Speaker 1: it this way, there are opportunities to grab guys that
27:54
Speaker 1: don't normally go first round. Pick guys that are not
27:57
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna win the next four and I'm not
30:13
Speaker 1: gonna lock them all down. Like the cell did. But
30:15
Speaker 1: I kind of have to credit Tony. We're talking on
30:18
Speaker 1: the plane, so I may be influenced a little bit
30:20
Speaker 1: by the Decelli positivity, but um, in a sense, I
30:26
Speaker 1: kind of get his point. You've got Jacoby Brissette, who
30:30
Speaker 1: is going to be playing uh on an mc l injury,
30:34
Speaker 1: not mobile I. In the next week, You've got the
30:37
Speaker 1: Titans coming in, who who you have shown you can
30:39
Speaker 1: be and that mental thing for these players should be
30:43
Speaker 1: gone now. I get the fans have this Tennessee thing.
30:45
Speaker 1: These players now know they can beat Tennessee. And then
30:48
Speaker 1: you've got Tampa Bay and Los Angeles after that. The Chargers, Uh,
30:53
Speaker 1: they're coming here. This team has been good in in
30:56
Speaker 1: in this season against winnable beautible teams, meaning the Jaguars. Uh.
31:01
Speaker 1: I think the Titans and the Buccaneers certainly fall into
31:06
Speaker 1: that category. I don't know if the Charges well by
31:08
Speaker 1: the time they get here, but I think they can
31:11
Speaker 1: win these next four games because they're going to be
31:13
Speaker 1: galvanized when they go to Indianapolis. There's going to be
31:16
Speaker 1: a feeling of we've got our quarterback back and not
31:20
Speaker 1: that they're going to be down on Minshew, but players
31:24
Speaker 1: believe they're going to win generally, if they have a
31:28
Speaker 1: reason to folds will be that. I don't believe they
31:30
Speaker 1: will feel negative going into Indianapolis. If they win in
31:33
Speaker 1: Indiana happens, I think they're absolutely going to feel like
31:35
Speaker 1: they can run the table in terms of getting back
31:37
Speaker 1: into and run the table with seven games that we're
31:39
Speaker 1: thinking like that, But I think they win in the
31:41
Speaker 1: next four and I'm sticking to it until they don't.
31:43
Speaker 1: I uh don't believe that. No, I don't. I don't
31:47
Speaker 1: believe that. So we'll we'll go to mine and I
31:50
Speaker 1: say that Bulls come back and he'll win five games,
31:54
Speaker 1: so he'll he'll be one better than Minshew. But the
31:57
Speaker 1: Jaguars finished their season eight and eight, and and I'm
32:00
Speaker 1: skeptical of their ability to go into Indianapolis and beat
32:03
Speaker 1: the Colds if Jacoby Brissette is healthy. We'll find out
32:05
Speaker 1: later about the m c l and and if that's
32:08
Speaker 1: significant or not. But that's a hot team, and the
32:10
Speaker 1: Jaguars haven't really beaten a hot team this year. The Broncos,
32:13
Speaker 1: the Titans, the Bengals, the Jets. That's not a hot team.
32:17
Speaker 1: And I'm a little bit down on him because I
32:19
Speaker 1: thought there was an opportunity on Sunday and I think
32:22
Speaker 1: they missed it wildly. So I don't have a lot
32:24
Speaker 1: of confidence in their ability to win the game that
32:27
Speaker 1: people don't think they should win because they haven't done
32:29
Speaker 1: it yet this year. I think Folds makes a difference,
32:31
Speaker 1: and he hits some plays, but I think that five
32:35
Speaker 1: and two over the final um gets them five and two.
32:39
Speaker 1: It gets them to a point where they're eight and eight,
32:41
Speaker 1: which is kind of what this team feels like to
32:43
Speaker 1: me is get nine okay, so um, yeah, I thought that,
32:49
Speaker 1: so go with he's the same with four and three
32:54
Speaker 1: and uh and they finish eight and eight because it
32:55
Speaker 1: feels to me like an eight and eight and they
32:58
Speaker 1: feel like an average team. There's nothing worse than eight, Nate, Yeah,
33:01
Speaker 1: because you're in fourteen is but then I've been through that. Well,
33:05
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's funny that you say. It's funny.
33:07
Speaker 1: Challenge you on that. Yeah, it's funny that you say that.
33:09
Speaker 1: I bet you the folks over here would disagree with
33:11
Speaker 1: you completely. After the quarterback going down in Week one
33:14
Speaker 1: and Jalen Ramsey and that's done him quitting on his
33:17
Speaker 1: team and leaving. I would think they would think eight
33:19
Speaker 1: and eight is just fine because at eight and eight
33:20
Speaker 1: people aren't going to be calling for their job. But
33:22
Speaker 1: if they go six and ten, so eight night is
33:24
Speaker 1: really damn good. If you're Tom Coughlin, Dave Caldwell and
33:28
Speaker 1: Doug Maron completely disagree with eight night is just fine.
33:31
Speaker 1: Now here's where it isn't good. If you're a team
33:34
Speaker 1: that needs a huge infusion of talent, you're in the
33:36
Speaker 1: middle of the pack in the draft. Eight nate is
33:38
Speaker 1: far away from the impact players and it costs you
33:41
Speaker 1: position um. But eight nate would be good for this
33:43
Speaker 1: team this year considering everything they've been through. It wouldn't
33:45
Speaker 1: be the playoffs. But if you are eight and nate,
33:49
Speaker 1: you can get people excited because you finished strong. I
33:51
Speaker 1: will say this the circling back to my point before
33:53
Speaker 1: my Bernie would find Son's chomping the bit for hers um.
33:58
Speaker 1: Eight and Nate is not as disastrous in terms of
34:02
Speaker 1: the draft if you're not desperate for quarterback, so it's
34:05
Speaker 1: not as much of a if your quarterback starved, which
34:09
Speaker 1: we think right now this team is not eight eight
34:12
Speaker 1: and eight is a disaster. If if you're not then
34:15
Speaker 1: all of a sudden eight and night shows you that
34:17
Speaker 1: you have the talent to add a few pieces and go.
34:20
Speaker 1: So I think eight and eight for this team would
34:23
Speaker 1: not be as disastrous as your point, which is correct.
34:26
Speaker 1: I'll say eight and eight with key wins. You beat
34:30
Speaker 1: the Titans again, you beat the Colts, you beat the
34:32
Speaker 1: Chargers UM eight, and it would feel really good because
34:37
Speaker 1: the two losses to the Texans just kind of stick
34:39
Speaker 1: in your jaw. You know. It's ah, you should have
34:42
Speaker 1: beat them at least once. You shouldn't be in this
34:43
Speaker 1: position where you are owing two against them. But you
34:47
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta beat the Colts. You have to. You
34:50
Speaker 1: have to separate yourself from the bottom of the division.
34:53
Speaker 1: In other words, it's the haves and they have nots.
34:54
Speaker 1: Right now, it's the Texans and the Colts that went
34:58
Speaker 1: to Kansas City and one you got beat here, and
35:01
Speaker 1: it's you and the Titans that have losing records, not
35:03
Speaker 1: the Texans. In the Colts climb up into the upper
35:05
Speaker 1: echelon of the a f C South, don't stay just
35:09
Speaker 1: behind it. Here's where it gets interesting. The Texans have
35:13
Speaker 1: kind of owned the jag Wars a little bit, and
35:15
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure why, but it's felt uncompetitive mostly
35:19
Speaker 1: against them except for the Minshew game. That hasn't been
35:22
Speaker 1: the take with the Colt with this team. Even last
35:25
Speaker 1: year and the Colts were playing very very well, this
35:27
Speaker 1: team played them well. So I think there's a matchup
35:29
Speaker 1: deal where this team matches up pretty well. It's why
35:31
Speaker 1: I think they can win in two weeks of falls.
35:33
Speaker 1: I mean, they shut him out here with luck and
35:35
Speaker 1: up there. If it wasn't for that that dropped by
35:37
Speaker 1: Green at the end of the game, they have a
35:40
Speaker 1: chance to and it's always not lost. You're a positive
35:44
Speaker 1: guy that I like it. I love life that you do.
35:47
Speaker 1: That's because it's the bye we can you get to
35:48
Speaker 1: leave soon. You're not fooling us. You have a hot take,
35:51
Speaker 1: right I do. Okay, it's a little more focused than
35:54
Speaker 1: you guys, a little more detailed. My Bernie Wood fire
35:56
Speaker 1: Girl hot take is a j boy A proved he
35:59
Speaker 1: is a number one corner on Sunday. That's because he
36:02
Speaker 1: held DeAndre Hopkins to eight receptions forty eight yards in
36:05
Speaker 1: one touchdown. A guy like that, that's pretty good. But
36:08
Speaker 1: more so beyond the stats is I was watching them
36:11
Speaker 1: the first two drives, and Boy was really frustrating Hopkins
36:14
Speaker 1: to the point where he was going up to the
36:15
Speaker 1: referee basically after every play and arguing with him about
36:19
Speaker 1: how Boy was covering him. He was getting under his skin.
36:21
Speaker 1: He was frustrating him a little like we've seen with
36:24
Speaker 1: Jalen at times, but Boy was much more calm about it.
36:26
Speaker 1: But he was getting to him. And I think that's
36:28
Speaker 1: the first time I really saw Boy. That's ironic considering
36:31
Speaker 1: every play Hopkins does this too. Yeah, yeah, well, no,
36:35
Speaker 1: he was complaining a little bit and he was getting frustrated.
36:38
Speaker 1: A couple of quick thoughts on that. First of all,
36:39
Speaker 1: Boy has wanted the challenge of playing against DeAndre since
36:42
Speaker 1: he came here. He got paid like a number one corner.
36:45
Speaker 1: He always silently resented the fact that he never got
36:48
Speaker 1: that opportunity because of Jalen. The second, was smiling as
36:50
Speaker 1: he walked off the field because he knew he played
36:52
Speaker 1: well against DeAndre. The one touchdown that Hopkins Scott was
36:55
Speaker 1: late in the game. He was already decided. Hopkins made
36:58
Speaker 1: the one play to set up the touchdown that made
37:01
Speaker 1: it three um, but other than that, he didn't make
37:04
Speaker 1: a meaningful play in the entire game. He had a
37:06
Speaker 1: couple of first down plays there were decent, but it was,
37:09
Speaker 1: like you said, what Hopkins did was within the context
37:13
Speaker 1: of the offense where you where he scares you is
37:16
Speaker 1: when he makes the plays that afterwards you're thinking, we
37:21
Speaker 1: had great defense on that play, and still because a
37:24
Speaker 1: J didn't let him do that. It was a really
37:26
Speaker 1: impressive performance for a J boy. And the good thing
37:28
Speaker 1: for him is, look, he's got a huge cap number
37:31
Speaker 1: next year at fifteen and a half million dollars for him,
37:34
Speaker 1: he now has a chance for his people because the
37:36
Speaker 1: Dragonards are gonna want to look at that number. They're
37:37
Speaker 1: gonna want to make that a little bit more palatable
37:39
Speaker 1: in their salary structure. Is the way they can talk
37:42
Speaker 1: about an extension with him and making that number smaller
37:45
Speaker 1: next year and giving him a couple more years. And
37:47
Speaker 1: he's interesting because he had a tough year last year
37:51
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was because of the injury, frustration,
37:53
Speaker 1: et cetera. He wasn't really the same guy, if you know,
37:56
Speaker 1: like he was I thought, a really incredible, we good
38:00
Speaker 1: leader player, whatever, and he has in seventeen. It didn't
38:03
Speaker 1: feel that way an eighteen for some reason, it feels
38:05
Speaker 1: that way more now, so I sort of trust that
38:09
Speaker 1: for him to be if they renegotiate for him to
38:12
Speaker 1: be a quote unquote core guy moving forward. And I
38:15
Speaker 1: don't need to explain anymore other than to say that
38:17
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey was a big reason why last year, why
38:21
Speaker 1: they did not get along and why boy A just
38:24
Speaker 1: sort of retreated from the media. He had other things
38:26
Speaker 1: the injury. I think there were some things that he
38:28
Speaker 1: was dealing with personal life last year, but he he
38:32
Speaker 1: had the chance. Now, we all get a chance in life.
38:34
Speaker 1: When the opportunity presents itself. The question is I have
38:37
Speaker 1: never do we take advantage? Do we take advantage of that?
38:41
Speaker 1: And he has taken advantage of the Ramsey stuff and
38:44
Speaker 1: played well and on the biggest stage he had, which
38:47
Speaker 1: is against Hopkins, who's the most difficult receiver in the
38:49
Speaker 1: game to cover, he gave us his best performance. Congratulations
38:52
Speaker 1: to a j boy for going out there and shining
38:54
Speaker 1: when his star was called. It was impressive. Had they won,
38:58
Speaker 1: he would have been on on a prime time that night.
39:02
Speaker 1: And doing that mean it was that sort of performance
39:04
Speaker 1: that was a season to find. She got an opportunity
39:06
Speaker 1: to give the best of the hot tapes, and she
39:09
Speaker 1: did that was the best true winner winner Chicken Dinner,
39:12
Speaker 1: Chicken Dinner. Ain't that the truth? Oh wait, we're not
39:15
Speaker 1: taking a break. I ruined my hot tape. All the
39:19
Speaker 1: equity that you built up with that you had your
39:22
Speaker 1: opportunity and do it all right, you're not getting Oh man,
39:28
Speaker 1: let's visit ozone snapshots. Now that's a jam. All right,
39:44
Speaker 1: Dan the man in Las Vegas? What do you got
39:46
Speaker 1: for us? I guess we all know who was the
39:49
Speaker 1: starting quarterback next game. Yeah, and we really haven't completely
39:54
Speaker 1: touched on the fact that Maron really hasn't made his decision.
39:58
Speaker 1: And I do believe. And a couple of hours he
40:01
Speaker 1: speace the media, he's going to say that he's still
40:03
Speaker 1: giving a time. I think that's the correct thing to do.
40:06
Speaker 1: He's got time. I think I have any chance I'll
40:09
Speaker 1: talk about this, but I'm assuming that his rationalities. Hey,
40:13
Speaker 1: I have a chance to not make this an emotional decision.
40:16
Speaker 1: I have a chance to not you know, to let
40:18
Speaker 1: it breathe a little bit. I do think he will
40:21
Speaker 1: give it time. I think he wants to be fair
40:23
Speaker 1: to both. I think he wants to have the best
40:24
Speaker 1: decision for the team right now. I don't think there's
40:26
Speaker 1: any question and it will eventually become fold. But I
40:29
Speaker 1: think when he says that this afternoon, a lot of
40:32
Speaker 1: people will roll their eyes and say, oh, well, you
40:35
Speaker 1: know he's just saying that. Knowing Doug, I really do
40:38
Speaker 1: think that when he's gone away for the last couple
40:40
Speaker 1: of days, he has tried not to think about it,
40:43
Speaker 1: and that he will he will go through a process
40:46
Speaker 1: that he believes we'll have him come to the right decision.
40:49
Speaker 1: But yes, I do think we know with the quarterbacks.
40:51
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here tell you that I feel
40:53
Speaker 1: like I know Doug Morone all that well, because every
40:55
Speaker 1: time I think I know what he's gonna say, he
40:56
Speaker 1: surprises me with a different answer. Uh. He is his
41:00
Speaker 1: unconventional a coach as you might as you might ever encounter.
41:04
Speaker 1: I think said. That's why he won't have made it.
41:05
Speaker 1: That's why I'm trying to get a good Yeah, thank you.
41:07
Speaker 1: I've said it before. Um, you know there are some coaches.
41:10
Speaker 1: With Tom Coughlin, when he was the head coach, there
41:12
Speaker 1: was a hard edge. You knew where the line was.
41:15
Speaker 1: And Doug is more amiba like, meaning he changes it
41:17
Speaker 1: from time to time based on the team, in the circumstances,
41:20
Speaker 1: because he played in the league and he's been in
41:22
Speaker 1: the locker room. Um. That being said, I would be
41:25
Speaker 1: stunned because and I don't have any sense that Shod
41:29
Speaker 1: has drawn a line you must win this many games.
41:31
Speaker 1: But he said after last season that the status quo
41:34
Speaker 1: five and eleven was not going to be good enough,
41:37
Speaker 1: so there was some pressure coming into the season to win,
41:39
Speaker 1: to do better. You're gambling, in my mind, if you
41:43
Speaker 1: stay with the rookie sixth round pick. I think you're
41:45
Speaker 1: playing with house money if you come in with Nick Foles.
41:48
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's the best decision. It
41:51
Speaker 1: is the most certain of outcomes to give you the
41:53
Speaker 1: best chance to win. With all of that, though, I
41:55
Speaker 1: don't think any of us expect to have an answer today.
41:58
Speaker 1: He's gonna take as much time as you can with
42:00
Speaker 1: us because he doesn't have to write. Doug. Yeah, Doug
42:03
Speaker 1: is not someone who ever wants to rush things. How
42:05
Speaker 1: many times have you sat next to him over there
42:07
Speaker 1: on a Friday and asked him about this, that or
42:08
Speaker 1: the other thing, And because well, I'm not even there yet,
42:10
Speaker 1: I'm just focused on the best practice, right, and we
42:12
Speaker 1: would think, oh, he definitely have a decision. But absolutely,
42:14
Speaker 1: because that's what conventional wisdom tells you the football coaches do.
42:17
Speaker 1: That's not Doug in any way, shape or form. He's alone, Wolf,
42:21
Speaker 1: he is, he is, And there are by the way,
42:24
Speaker 1: there are no different degrees of unique. You're not kind
42:26
Speaker 1: of unique or very unique or sort of unique. You're
42:29
Speaker 1: either unique or you're not. And Doug Marone is unique,
42:32
Speaker 1: at least in my experience of head coaches that he is. John,
42:35
Speaker 1: you're unique too, You're in the same different reasons. All right, Arthur,
42:42
Speaker 1: what do you got? Do we not have a potential
42:46
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback anymore? Well? I wouldn't try to answer this
42:49
Speaker 1: when when I was trying to write it, so I
42:51
Speaker 1: put it over here because iliday to answer. Um. You know,
42:57
Speaker 1: I think we've thrown the term around franchise quarterbacks so
43:01
Speaker 1: much that people sort of get lost in the definition.
43:06
Speaker 1: I don't know if Gardner Minshew is going to be
43:09
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback in a Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, Drew
43:14
Speaker 1: Brees define your franchise right. So I don't know that, Um,
43:20
Speaker 1: but I do think what he has shown is You've
43:23
Speaker 1: got a guy who is an asset to you for
43:26
Speaker 1: a long time, a guy who, if falls goes down,
43:29
Speaker 1: you trust, and a guy who I don't believe that
43:33
Speaker 1: they think we have to go out and solve our
43:36
Speaker 1: quarterback future now in this next draft. So I do
43:40
Speaker 1: think there is still a potential franchise quarterback on the roster,
43:45
Speaker 1: and I think when he gets his next opportunity, it
43:47
Speaker 1: will be up to him to show that he has
43:51
Speaker 1: learned from the things that he needs to learn with
43:54
Speaker 1: and continue to take the step forward that all franchise
43:57
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have to make. So I guess the answer the
43:59
Speaker 1: question is yes, there's still is a potential franchise quarterback
44:02
Speaker 1: on the roster. It remains to be seen if he
44:03
Speaker 1: indeed is a franchise quarterback. Well, you just answered it
44:06
Speaker 1: right there that Reeves. Can you put Arthur's question back
44:08
Speaker 1: up real quick? And that one word potential makes me
44:11
Speaker 1: say yes, because he potentially is. He has uncanny, an
44:17
Speaker 1: uncanny sense in the pocket of where his guys should be.
44:20
Speaker 1: Go back to the touchdown that he threw in um
44:23
Speaker 1: in Denver, right, and he had a first down doing
44:25
Speaker 1: the same thing in this game against Houston. He's got poise,
44:29
Speaker 1: he's got mobility, he's got awareness, he's he's got a
44:32
Speaker 1: lot of things. He does not have the big arm,
44:34
Speaker 1: which is why he sank to the sixth round, but
44:36
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of things that make you think, well,
44:39
Speaker 1: he could be along the lines of a Drew Brees
44:42
Speaker 1: kind of passer who's so smart and understands what's going
44:45
Speaker 1: on around him that he's hyper effective in the offense
44:48
Speaker 1: that they build around him. So the word potential makes
44:51
Speaker 1: me say, yeah, there's one on the roster. I think
44:53
Speaker 1: a big thing Showice that he could be. I'm sorry, Brian,
44:55
Speaker 1: I think I think a big thing. He's got to
44:57
Speaker 1: do the the asset that you talked about, his ability
45:00
Speaker 1: to extend. I think they have to find a balance
45:04
Speaker 1: for that because in the last couple of games. Uh,
45:08
Speaker 1: he had clean pockets. In this last game and got
45:11
Speaker 1: a little booked, a little dancy with it. You have
45:14
Speaker 1: to balance that and that can be a process. He
45:17
Speaker 1: improved a lot in that process. I think I took
45:20
Speaker 1: a step back in this last game. But you can't
45:23
Speaker 1: have put your foot in the ground and immediately be
45:26
Speaker 1: looking around every time. It's got to be balanced. When
45:28
Speaker 1: that clip of the jeft did yesterday with patent Dave
45:32
Speaker 1: comes up, you'll see him. It's like he's looking at
45:35
Speaker 1: Connolly and he didn't trust it right right, and decides
45:37
Speaker 1: a better run and go do something else. That's the
45:40
Speaker 1: kind of confidence that comes with just more experience in
45:42
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I think you'll see that from him,
45:45
Speaker 1: which is why again, I absolutely think he has the
45:48
Speaker 1: potential to be your franchise quarterback, which is why I'm
45:51
Speaker 1: so comfortable putting him on the shelf and going back
45:53
Speaker 1: to Nick now because I know I saw enough from
45:56
Speaker 1: him in eight games, eight and a half whatever it
45:58
Speaker 1: was to feel like, okay, I cant all of that.
46:01
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Chris from Mandarin to wrap
46:03
Speaker 1: it up. The season is over. There's no coming back
46:07
Speaker 1: from this one. Technically there are seven games left. But
46:10
Speaker 1: it's the nail in the coffin. Well, I get that's
46:13
Speaker 1: how it feels now, and I said, must win. All
46:17
Speaker 1: talked about um, but it's a nail in the coffin.
46:23
Speaker 1: If they win the next two weeks, how you feel
46:25
Speaker 1: no nails in the coffin? So that's really the you
46:28
Speaker 1: know it, It was huge because I'm with you, Brian. Realistically,
46:34
Speaker 1: eight and eight feels like a thing that could and
46:39
Speaker 1: likely will happen unless balls catches magic. But if you
46:43
Speaker 1: win the next two we're talking about the next one
46:45
Speaker 1: is it must win. So it's not really technically the nail.
46:48
Speaker 1: This is a better team than it was last year,
46:50
Speaker 1: and and people might be disappointed with eight and eight,
46:53
Speaker 1: but you should never be disappointed with consistent improvement, which
46:56
Speaker 1: is what we've seen, and that've identified some young players
46:58
Speaker 1: guys like Davin Bryan don't talk about all that much,
47:01
Speaker 1: who played pretty well on Sunday. Um, there's every reason
47:05
Speaker 1: to be excited if you finish eight and eight, even
47:08
Speaker 1: though people will be disappointed because it's all or nothing
47:11
Speaker 1: in our sports culture these days. I um I said earlier,
47:16
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing this team make the playoffs.
47:18
Speaker 1: But they were four and seven in which ends up
47:21
Speaker 1: still being the golden season around here. Four and seven
47:25
Speaker 1: and they cut Andre Risen and the locker room. You
47:27
Speaker 1: remember that day felt like it was a morgue, right,
47:32
Speaker 1: I mean, it just felt like this whole thing was
47:33
Speaker 1: going down, and they rallied off seven consecutive wins, including
47:37
Speaker 1: playoff wins in Rich Stadium where they had never lost,
47:39
Speaker 1: and against the Broncos team that should, by all rights
47:41
Speaker 1: have been a three time the only three time Super
47:44
Speaker 1: Bowl champion. Uh and they knocked them off. So you
47:47
Speaker 1: never say it's over at four and five. I could
47:50
Speaker 1: never say that. But circumstantially your two games behind the Texans,
47:54
Speaker 1: and the Texans and Colts both look based on their
47:56
Speaker 1: wins in Kansas City like teams that can make a
47:59
Speaker 1: late playoff run. Um, and you still look inconsistent. But
48:03
Speaker 1: eight and eight after the Nick Foles injury and opening
48:05
Speaker 1: Day and Jalen Ramsey quitting on his team, which is
48:08
Speaker 1: what he did, um to get there. What an epic
48:11
Speaker 1: job by Doug Maron and his coaching staff to get
48:14
Speaker 1: the most out of a team and a rookie sixth
48:16
Speaker 1: round pick who had no business doing what he did. Um.
48:20
Speaker 1: So the spirit of the question to me feels off,
48:24
Speaker 1: even if it isn't realistic that they end up making
48:27
Speaker 1: a playoff run. We'll see, all right when we come back.
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Speaker 1: with dodging a bullet, because that is what it appears
51:57
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts have done. It look tough. Way is
51:59
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52:02
Speaker 1: has been a bit of a revelation if there is
52:05
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Speaker 1: well this season. Sunday guard Quentin Nelson. How often is
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52:15
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52:18
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52:21
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52:26
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52:28
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52:31
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52:33
Speaker 1: But that's an injury that bears watching. Here's a big
52:36
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52:38
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks again, one of those players that they traded
52:41
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52:44
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52:48
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52:51
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52:55
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52:59
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53:03
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53:05
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53:08
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53:11
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53:16
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53:18
Speaker 1: They've got Jared Goff and Todd Gurley who's not completely healthy,
53:22
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53:25
Speaker 1: who am I missing? Aaron Donald's big contract and he
53:28
Speaker 1: is healthy, and Jalen Ramsey who wants a big contract.
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Speaker 1: The situation in l A can unravel quickly. I hear
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Speaker 1: they're having trouble selling tickets as it is. They went
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Speaker 1: for the big splash because the new stadium opens next year.
53:39
Speaker 1: The Brandon Cook's injury could portend their offenses ability to
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Speaker 1: score points this second half of the season. It's worth
53:45
Speaker 1: watching because Jaguars fans would like to see them be
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Speaker 1: closer to eight and eight uh and give them again
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Speaker 1: a good first round pick. The Rams situation was always
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Speaker 1: a little weird because they came in and they were good,
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Speaker 1: and they knew they were okay, and they really went
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Speaker 1: for it because as Sam Farmer from the L A times.
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Speaker 1: Who's been on this show a couple of times. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he covered the whole thing. He's as in tune to
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles as there is. He told me early last season,
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Speaker 1: when I spoke to maybe a couple of seasons ago.
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Speaker 1: L A is not going to go watching an average team,
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Speaker 1: and the Rams knew that, so they have gone overboard
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Speaker 1: trying to put a star studded, big time team on
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Speaker 1: the field. Uh. It always felt like, how can they
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Speaker 1: do this when nobody else can? Kind of thing with
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Speaker 1: some of their moves, So you wonder what happens if
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Speaker 1: they're not star studded, and all of a sudden they
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Speaker 1: had this new stadium. I'm not saying they can't do it,
54:37
Speaker 1: but Brian's right. It's interesting to watch because they really
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Speaker 1: went after it in a market where historically, if you're average,
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Speaker 1: you get lost, and that's why they haven't had a
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Speaker 1: team there a long time. Golf got the big deal.
54:47
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, he looks Bortles ask like
54:49
Speaker 1: he can't function above the excess and ohs he needs
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Speaker 1: the players around him to all be there. Uh, Girly's knee.
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Speaker 1: He's got some more thorist issues, obviously, that's coming up,
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Speaker 1: which is too bad because a great player, great player, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's you could have the worst case scenario
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Speaker 1: for those guys out there, and then even worse, they're
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Speaker 1: opening a five billion dollar complex on the West coast
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Speaker 1: that could be half empty. Oh uh, final one will
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Speaker 1: stay on the West coast and is the third time
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Speaker 1: the charm for Josh Gordon. You know, he was available
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Speaker 1: to everybody after the New England Patriots released him, and
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks John Schneider, the general manager, said we we
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Speaker 1: didn't think we'd have shot at him at in the
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Speaker 1: pecking order they grabbed him. We're talking about an extreme
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Speaker 1: talent who has had extreme issues with substance abuse. However,
55:34
Speaker 1: he is eligible to play. So you're gonna put him
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Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson, who threw five touchdown passes last week
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Speaker 1: and it come from behind win over the Buccaneers. And
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Speaker 1: DK metcalf who is having, whether everyone realizes this or not,
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Speaker 1: a Randy Moss esque season, leading the league at eighteen
55:49
Speaker 1: point one yards per catch, has five touchdowns already. So
55:52
Speaker 1: now you're gonna put this guy out there with Tyler Lockett,
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Speaker 1: Gordon Metcalfe Lockett Wilson. Yeah, and they played Monday night
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Speaker 1: football against San Francisco and Gordon is probably going to play.
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Speaker 1: And remember Gordon got hot late last year before he
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Speaker 1: had his issue, and and Tom Brady was thrown at
56:11
Speaker 1: him all over the place. I don't know, you can't
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Speaker 1: trust it, but boy, it could be fun for the Seahawks. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it just seems to never quite work, and it feels
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Speaker 1: like it may never work out for the long haul.
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Speaker 1: And and I hate to say, because I don't know
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Speaker 1: the guy and I don't know enough about his story
56:27
Speaker 1: from an inside point of view to comment like that,
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Speaker 1: but he maybe when he was going right in Cleveland
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Speaker 1: for the one year that he really had a going
56:37
Speaker 1: he was as good as any receiver has been over
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Speaker 1: the last ten years in twelve yards against the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: that day. I'll never forget that. And that was common
56:44
Speaker 1: no that season for him. He had dods receiving that. Yeah.
56:47
Speaker 1: So here's the thing I like, make time. Here's the
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Speaker 1: thing I like because I'm a forgiveness guy. I believe
56:51
Speaker 1: that guys deserve to be forgiven if their mistakes are
56:54
Speaker 1: not catastrophic. That's what Pete Carroll has done. He did
56:56
Speaker 1: it with Marshawn Lanche, he did with Frank Clark, he
56:58
Speaker 1: did it with Percy Harvin, who have eventually worked his
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Speaker 1: way up and then out of the league. But he's
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Speaker 1: given guys opportunities and they have, for the most part,
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Speaker 1: rewarded him by their performance on the field. I just
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Speaker 1: I remember Gordon from that two thousand and twelve season
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Speaker 1: and he was epic. And I've been watching DK Metcalf
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Speaker 1: because he was such an intriguing prospect last spring. And
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Speaker 1: then Russell Wilson just it just continues to boggle the
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Speaker 1: mind how good he is. Twenty two touchdowns, one interception,
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Speaker 1: epic stuff. Could be fun to watch Seattle in San
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Speaker 1: Francisco on Monday night next week. Yeah, you could say that,
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Speaker 1: all right, And that is our show Tuesday Jaguars Drive
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Speaker 1: Time before we say goodbye for the bye week. We
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Speaker 1: have Jaguars Drive Time tomorrow as well as Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: We will see you here.