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Adele Cooper (Adelicate) | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #111 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian read
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  podcast. Today's guest is a musician,
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  business owner and web developer of sorts.
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  Her name is Adel. Cooper, AKA a delicate.
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  Welcome to the short show Adele you doing.
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  Thank you. I'm good.
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  Thank you. How are you know?
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  But that's the second time. I've muffled up the intro and I
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  normally do these things where I kind of just like, I don't like
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  to edit too much. I like to I mean I do edit but I
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  like to kind of keep things natural and natural and gives us
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  something to talk about my failings editing.
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  Okay, let's just get straight to you instead of talking about my
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  failing editing. So, you're a musician.
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  How did you get started in music and what other projects have you
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  been involved in? Oh good, good question.
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  It started question. So I'm okay.
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  I'm going to, I'll tell you my music background and then what
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  kind of inspired me to get to what I'm doing right now, which
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  is quite funny. So, when I was a kid, I picked
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  up a couple of instruments, which was the piano and the
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  violin to grade about for they would not the instruments.
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  I wanted to personally do, I actually really wanted to learn
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  how to do the flute, but I wasn't allowed to do Do that
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  one. So these were kind of like How
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  fast attempts to be honest? I am I not say that.
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  You said that. Yeah, okay.
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  And yeah, I just never really go into them, but when I was like,
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  I'm gonna say, like, six or seven.
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  I watched this film called Scooby-Doo and the Witch's
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  Ghost, which is a fantastic film.
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  By the way, if you haven't seen it, but in it, there are these
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  vampire. Our witches in a band in a rock
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  band called The Hex Girls and that was my moment.
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  I saw them on the screen and I was like, okay, that's what I
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  want to be and I would like dance around the living room
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  pretending to be the main girl from the band and it's just so
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  funny that that's where I've ended up now is like doing
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  vampire rock band stuff. I'm like, I'm living that dream
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  was so funny. Talk about what you're doing in
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  a bit soon. I just want to kind of build a
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  journey up to that point, so that's interested.
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  So yeah, you better sign of things.
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  You were very young men like this is childhood like I guess
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  that's a yes. So when did you start kind of
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  flirting with with actually being in were you involved in
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  any projects up to the run up to now?
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  Was there any thing that you did?
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  I don't even solo work or you know previous band something
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  like that. I actually had a lot of
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  confidence issues. With music.
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  So I've never Like performed or like song in front of people
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  that was such a big thing for me is singing in front of people
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  with. I just couldn't do it.
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  So I started. Yeah.
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  Literally like never could be in like school musicals or
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  anything. I was too shy but then I started
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  doing YouTube in about 2015 and I started playing around with
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  doing covers on YouTube, recording, myself alone, and
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  then When I met my band, I started working with some of
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  them on also, like music and Disney covers.
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  So me and Connie did a couple of covers on her Channel, which was
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  fun, but that was like, a big point for me in learning to sing
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  in front of other people. So the first couple of times I
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  recorded music where it wasn't just me and a room.
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  I freaked out. I like had to be like, I'm so
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  sorry. Can you like hit record?
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  And then leave because I just would panic, I get the panic, I
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  couldn't let the notes wouldn't come out.
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  It was so, so much anxiety. But from then to now I've like
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  improved so much with like just getting that, you know, under
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  wraps and I can sing in front of like a couple people now, but
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  that's going to be tested soon. I guess there's a couple of
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  things that the pack unpack from that, but I'm just going to go
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  jump straight into. Into the band now because you
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  kind of like, laid out for us, they're a little bit, like your
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  progression, you know, you did this stuff on YouTube, gives you
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  confidence, you met certain people.
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  So, obviously one of the people that you met was she's a, was a
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  YouTuber. You mentioned Connie, Connie
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  Glen. Yes.
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  So basically, you guys are in a band called snaggletooth and
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  expresses, different directions. I can go with this and the
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  beginning. Let's let's start with what kind
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  of sound would you say that this band actually has like?
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  And what is the vibe that you're trying to go for with this band?
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  Yes. If we're currently actually
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  evolving our style. So our first EP was very dark or
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  haunting. It was like electronic Rock but
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  also some like kind of more acoustic e things. and now with
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  getting a bit lighter, and we're experimenting with Like more
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  dance, kind of music which is really fun, not where we thought
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  the band was going, but it at the beginning, are I like
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  influences were like Nine Inch Nails?
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  Flyleaf Grimes kind of like that, sort of thing.
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  So that's kind of develop naturally than us both.
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  So, like, the stuff that you're doing now, is it that you guys
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  just collectively and listening to different things and you kind
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  of bring In those Inspirations in my cellar.
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  Okay? Hey, really into this at the
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  moment. Maybe, let's try this or like,
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  what's the kind of motivation there that?
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  What's the inspiration? Definitely, we've definitely
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  been playing around for the last couple of months.
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  I'd say since the EP came out which was in April, I think.
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  And now we're in October, so it's been a while since we.
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  I mean, maybe a month ago, we released Trinity.
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  But before that, though, As months were asked, not really
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  knowing where to go next and experimenting with different
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  styles. We have a band Spotify playlist
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  called snuggle inspo. I think we kind of just add like
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  new music that we like to that. And we're like, hey guys, check
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  out this track like we should do something similar to this or
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  that I love the. Beginning of this song that kind
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  of thing. Do you get people from your fan
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  base? Suggesting things?
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  Or like that anything like that or the people kind of go like
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  hey have you thought about Is so when it be cool if you did this
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  anything like that I actually haven't so far.
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  Not me personally but maybe Connie is had a couple.
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  Yeah, I mean like you collectively like maybe not
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  that. I've seen, they're just a lot of
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  people say that they haven't heard anything like what we're
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  doing. Hmm.
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  Which is cool. I like that.
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  Hmm, yeah. I kind of agreed.
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  Okay. I think the first time I heard
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  what you guys were doing, I definitely heard stuff like
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  this. And I don't think I'd seen many
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  bands kind of present it in the way that you're presenting.
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  I think there's something in the way that it looks the aesthetic.
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  That's, that's particularly interesting.
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  And yeah, I mean, this is a massive plug, but make sure you
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  go and check out the music because I do think that it's
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  worth listening to over. Listen to why I always listen to
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  all the music that the musicians that I have on the show have put
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  out and, you know, it's obviously it gives me an idea of
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  who I'm talking to the vibe, everything like that.
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  But there's days clear progression from what was
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  presented in EP and then like your latest singles, there's
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  clearly something there it's kind of an exciting kind of
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  process and we had to tell us about that like what was your
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  sort of head mindset out with regards to the new music and
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  stuff? Like how does it feel?
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  I really love it. I really really love the new
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  stuff like I was excited for the EP coming out.
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  Obviously like the first that was like the first thing holding
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  a physical. Like CD case in my hand are
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  going. This is my music.
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  Oh my God. Like, that was such a good
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  moment and now, I'm just so excited for this new stuff and
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  to keep working on music. Now, we're kind of pushing out
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  singles, like, whatever comes to mind.
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  We're just getting it down and doing it.
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  So, when Trinity came out, we were already over an excited for
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  the next song is coming out at the end of this month.
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  So you guys fully independently you're producing everything
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  yourself as far as like that. The physical merchandise and
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  everything or do you have like a team of people working for you?
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  I talk to us about that a little bit.
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  We do have a team of people so we have a manager and then a
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  couple people that sort out merch and stuff, but all of the
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  music and music videos. We do ourselves so within the
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  boundary of a lot of skills. So me and sparkles both can do
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  the effects, which is massively helpful for music videos.
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  Obviously, all of us can video edits.
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  We all have backgrounds in YouTube and then we have like a
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  lot of friends that are, you know, videographers lighting
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  people actresses that we can get in and collaborate, which is
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  really, really fun to work with them.
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  The baby baby music video. Shoot, was just the best time
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  ever. It was so fun talk to us a
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  little bit about the So of the Friendship, / working
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  relationship that you have with, with Connie Glynn, I'm sort of
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  intrigued by firstly like how you guys start working together,
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  because from what I understand that you guys were friends
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  anyway, just knew each other and then, as you start working with
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  each other, so tell us a little bit about that, kind of working
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  relationship and how that's evolved.
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  So, I've known Connie for like, maybe four years now, we Connie
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  and me as well. We've Both gone through a
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  massive like evolution in our lives and over the last four
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  years. So, when I met her, I was still
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  at Uni, okay? We were both very much into pink
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  and Disney things and that's how we express ourselves.
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  And now both of us together of kind of like we've got a bit
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  darker, I say Connie more so than me but it's just it's quite
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  interesting how your friendships kind of like change with you,
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  but yeah. Been friends for a long time and
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  she took me to Disneyland Paris, which was my first-ever Disney
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  trip, and that was such fun time.
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  And then just from just hanging out and realizing what we did a
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  lot of covers together on her YouTube channel before she goes.
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  Okay. And then, we just realized we as
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  like our voices sound really good together.
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  Let's do something with this, and then that's kind of how it
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  started. So it was it kind of like a
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  jewel. Thing that you both realized or
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  was it one of you in particular, was like, hmm what about this?
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  And then the other one was like, yeah.
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  I don't know. Actually, it feels like it was
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  like, all of us together. We were like, just actually
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  sounds quite nice. We did.
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  Yeah, it was only Disney covers that we did before so then this
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  new style of music was Definitely a challenge for me to
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  figure out how to use my voice in a more of a rock, kind of
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  way. Because I'd only done musical
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  theater and Disney songs. Only only so it's been.
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  Yeah, so talk to us a little bit about your approach to
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  songwriting because I'm intrigued by this.
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  Obviously every track has a very different vibe to it and it's a
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  three piece so like What what's your?
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  What's your songwriting process? We usually start with like a
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  couple of bars of Just A vibe or a sound that we like.
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  And then we start building that out.
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  We come up with a verse or a chorus and there's so many
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  different iterations of the songs that we do and we have
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  maybe gosh. I was like over 30 sat just in a
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  we put them all in like a Google Document of like the oil.
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  Types of what we've done. Okay.
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  And then we'll come back to them or be like this Vibe matches
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  this kind of song that I want to do.
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  So let's let's work on that for a bit and do you all right
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  lyrics? Or is there a particular lyric
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  writer like, who comes in with those Connie is the main lyric
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  writer, she's an author. So obviously, she's very gifted
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  with words, but the rest of the band we will fine.
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  Tune it, and come in and double-check every little thing.
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  Make sure we're happy with it. So like what would you say are
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  your kind of main contributions that have been like what?
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  Because there's the obviously as you said that the band all has
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  different things to bring to the table.
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  But where do you feel so most comfortable?
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  Or the areas that like, that's your domain?
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  I really love working or once we've got the main, like
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  structure down. I love helping with like the
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  instruments and the sounds. Yeah.
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  More about the atmosphere I'd say like I want the guitar here
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  to I, don't play guitar but sometimes I'd be like I want it
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  to do like this kind of thing and then we'll do that and just
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  sort of like tweaking things or be like this ending would be
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  better like this I think. But what do you guys think?
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  Luckily we haven't had any clashes but it's just a big
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  collaborative process to be honest.
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  Like it's not like one person does one thing.
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  It's like we're all working together.
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  Gather, like, with the EP, we were all in the studio for like
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  the same amount of hours. We all start day.
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  If we heard something, we took our, I've got quite a good like
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  ear for details. You know what I mean?
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  So I can pick up on like, very small things that I want to
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  change or I'm very perfectionist as well.
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  So so you've all got a particularly strong work ethic
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  then. Yes, we will be in the studio
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  all night and it does not faze us.
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  Fair enough, let's get to have, there's no money.
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  You have like in every pound you got like, one or two people that
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  are like the driving force. And then there's a few people
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  that chip in, in certain areas and there's always inevitably
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  the lazy one. But from the sound of things,
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  you're all kind of singing from the same hymn sheet, so to
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  speak. Yeah, that's why I think it's
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  working so well because we're all just so driven to do this
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  there was I'm not being there were definitely phases in this
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  band. So the band hasn't just existed
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  this year because this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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  The band started, Arted. Maybe two years before we got
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  our EP out and that time I wasn't as available because I
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  would still had a full-time job so I didn't have as much time to
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  give to the band. We, I was also just very unhappy
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  during that time. And then once honestly, once
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  covid hit we were like, well, I guess there's nothing else we
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  can do. So we're just going to work on
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  music, which was good. So we all we were in Bubble
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  during covid or three of us. So, that was handy because she
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  Actually don't know if I can say that.
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  Nice, fair enough. Yeah, since since covid hit, we
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  were just straight on working on the, in the studio, working on
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  the EP for like, over a year and then we released it.
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  And now, here we are. Generally, when it comes to like
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  writing songs, like, how long do you would you say that process
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  takes for you guys? I mean, I'm amazed, I gotta be
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  honest, like, most bands that I've been in or bands.
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  I've seen it's like A tumultuous relationship Germany with these
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  things. It depends.
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  It sounds very straightforward with you guys.
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  So kind of like from a working perspective.
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  It sounds kind of idyllic but like generally like the say,
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  like, On a given track. Like, how long do you think that
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  process takes recently? We've been really fast at it, so
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  we'll start a song and then within three weeks, we will have
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  the demo. We will have recorded the music.
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  We will have fine-tuned it. We will have recorded a music
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  video and released it all within the space of a month.
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  It's crazy. Because when once we have an
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  idea and we That one, it would like bright the certain.
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  Now we're doing it right now. He's can I join this band?
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  Sounds like a new one as well as been a similar timeline.
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  The one that's coming out at the end of this month.
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  We could release it. Like, if we tried, we could
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  release it next week. But With the gig coming up.
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  Where One, I just focus on that first, not promote too many
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  things at once. I respect that, I like, I like
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  the kind of the business approach that you guys seem to
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  have. It's very like, you know, you
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  take your time with things. I think that's like a lot of
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  people can learn from that Germany.
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  So think it's very tempting to just put everything out of once
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  and yeah stuff. But I think and then certainly
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  this is a trend that I've noticed with a lot of musicians.
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  Now, especially musicians at the very top of their game.
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  It used to be that you release a couple of singles ahead of an
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  album and then you release the album.
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  Now, a lot of artists are Almost releasing singles in the
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  build-up to an album but they don't necessarily appear on that
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  album they might. But generally it's almost like
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  to tide you over or, or, I don't know.
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  I I reckon what they're doing is to, they're throwing you a Vibe.
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  The like, what do people think of this?
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  And if people like it, they're like, okay.
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  Maybe we'll do an album like that, if people don't like, it's
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  like, let's not do that. That's what I reckon.
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  It's yeah, trial and error makes sense.
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  Yeah. But it's almost like Kind of
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  asking for people's opinions without asking, you know, you
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  can adjust that trying to go. Let's see what they think about
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  this. Let's push the bone and that
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  testing the waters a little bit. Before I asked about the overall
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  goals and stuff for the band, I got a know.
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  Like what's the deal with this name?
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  Whereas this name snaggletooth, it's a very Out there named, I
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  just wonder is their story, their or we had a lot of
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  different names before. So the first name we ever, had
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  was lucky Violet, which I really loved, but there were a couple
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  of other bands that were kind of two similar, so we decided to
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  change it. And then we were Mossy rocks for
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  like a minute and then we will snuggle tooth.
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  And it's quite as quite an interesting one.
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  I can't remember where it came from.
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  But we all have like kind of a snaggletooth.
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  So it was like, it matches with all of us now, you know, I know.
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  Yeah. What would you say?
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  The overall kind of goals for this band, I what, what the main
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  things you guys are hoping to achieve We're just having so
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  much fun with it. I would say we're not trying to
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  like set like any goals to You know, we don't really think
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  about that. I mean, we'd love to do a tour.
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  That's I'd say what we're working up to at the moment,
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  we'd love to do another album, obviously we want it to be
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  successful but also we're just having so much fun doing it.
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  That whatever happens happens. Fair enough.
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  Well, best of luck with that because, well, let's move it
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  forward. So you mentioned sort of in the
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  Prelude that you have this kind of strong passion for Disney
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  and, you know, this is evident in many of your online videos,
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  for instance, on your Tick Tock, there's a lot of Disney themed
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  videos. So when did your love of Disney
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  begin? And why do you love the brand
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  and the movie so much? Oh my gosh.
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  It's just always been with me and just something about Disney
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  does makes me so happy. It's, you know, Connecting with
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  your childhood like being an adult is so hard and it's just
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  it's something I can cling to that.
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  Makes me feel happy, and everything is good and just
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  happy endings with Disney. Well, Disney is a bit dark now,
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  but well picks off, you know, makes you cry but in a good way.
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  Yeah, this is something it's interesting that you've gone.
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  They're actually as far as that you think it's the okay before I
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  ask my next question. What do you mean like it's dark?
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  Do you mean that the Disney Pixar movies are just more
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  adult-themed or do you mean the business practices of Disney
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  itself? But what do you mean when you
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  say dark? No, I wasn't worried about the
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  business practices. I was so great.
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  Okay, so Pixar, definitely addresses some Dhaka topics
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  which I think is really good, especially for children to watch
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  that sort of thing. But also did you know that most
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  Disney princesses have, at least one dead parent?
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  What's that about? What?
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  Yeah. Okay, Snow White.
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  Both dead parents Cinderella. Did they ever say that though?
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  I don't remember them saying that.
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  Yeah, but they do. Do they do.
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  Are we? Will's mother gets brutally
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  murdered and you see it in the third movie.
• 22:41
  Oh my goodness. All of them.
• 22:44
  Wait the third movie. So that is that like a sort of a
• 22:46
  prequel movie then because I remember the prequel there.
• 22:49
  It's really good. The second one's the best one,
• 22:52
  though. Oh wow.
• 22:53
  I've only seen the first one but fair enough?
• 22:56
  Fair enough. Okay, people hate Disney
• 22:59
  sequels. But honestly, some of them are
• 23:02
  really good. It's because you don't always
• 23:04
  have like the original cast, Yeah, baby.
• 23:08
  I thought I'd heard the guy, the gentleman who played the voice
• 23:10
  actor of the crab, I think, or whatever it is the lobster
• 23:15
  dinner. The Little Mermaid Sebastian.
• 23:18
  Yeah, like, I believe he passed away, maybe 10 years ago,
• 23:21
  something like that. So I don't know necessarily that
• 23:24
  he would have well, firstly been available, you know, because if
• 23:27
  you opportunities passed away is not available but sometimes they
• 23:31
  don't reprise their roles on purpose, but they just don't
• 23:33
  want to not interested. The Budgets, not big enough.
• 23:36
  I think a lot of the time with the sequels as well.
• 23:39
  I don't know if this is the case anymore because Disney is just
• 23:41
  one of the biggest companies on the planet now, but back in the
• 23:44
  day, it used to be like, you know, their first one hits big.
• 23:47
  So that, the little mermaid was, obviously, a huge success box
• 23:50
  office and everything, but then the second, the sequels often
• 23:54
  were like straight-to-video. Those this expression data video
• 23:59
  back in the day, and obviously, we don't really have video
• 24:04
  anymore. Like, we have, DVD B,
• 24:07
  everything's online now. So yeah right.
• 24:10
  This is why I think it's a little bit different now because
• 24:13
  you know you're using Disney pastures streaming, you're more
• 24:15
  likely to fix like sort of come across these things whereas that
• 24:19
  back in the day you will grow and Blockbuster the chances of
• 24:21
  you unless you're like a really, really big business and the
• 24:24
  chances of you coming across that these sequels might not
• 24:27
  even know they exist. Jen.
• 24:28
  And I mean like I knew I knew that there was a second one of
• 24:32
  The Little Mermaid, but I think I just heard about it.
• 24:36
  Rather than seeing, you know. Yeah, but yeah, it just go back
• 24:41
  to that. Parents thing.
• 24:44
  Is that is that is that like a reason for that is Disney?
• 24:47
  I don't know why they do it off the top of my head.
• 24:51
  I know Aurora has both parents. Okay.
• 24:55
  But I can't think of many others.
• 24:58
  Obviously. Both of, you know, Honor and
• 25:01
  Elsa both of their parents. You see their parents died in
• 25:05
  the Shipwreck. I just can't ready.
• 25:08
  Rapunzel. Oh no, Rapunzel does have
• 25:10
  parents but her step mother dies, maybe it's to do with like
• 25:16
  introducing a tragedy of the worst kind of tragedy that you
• 25:20
  could experience maybe as a child.
• 25:22
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 25:23
  And then like, oh well, this happened to my favorite
• 25:26
  princess, so I'll be okay kind of thing.
• 25:29
  I think that's probably where they why they did it dark Jean.
• 25:33
  Oh, I know it is It makes you connect with the characters I
• 25:39
  doesn't. It like yeah, yeah, I do not
• 25:43
  exist. I have a very different
• 25:44
  perception of Disney right now because that back in the day,
• 25:47
  you know, I grew up with the same movies, you did.
• 25:48
  So it's all like it, Lion, King, and Alladin.
• 25:51
  I mean, there's someone is so many iconic like movies that
• 25:54
  still hold up to this day, but I feel like they don't quite have
• 25:58
  the same. I haven't seen anything in the
• 26:05
  middle last 10-15 years, that's really, maybe Frozen I suppose
• 26:09
  that had a bit of an appeal but I feel that that was more
• 26:11
  because of the soundtrack and the visuals as opposed to the
• 26:14
  actual story, to know what I mean.
• 26:16
  Like back in the day things like Aladdin and the Lion King had
• 26:21
  but really compelling stories, The Jungle Book as well.
• 26:25
  That is just so many classic ones that really had this kind
• 26:27
  of a kind of story. I totally agree of you and it's
• 26:31
  not just with The storytelling in the music.
• 26:34
  It's also the Lost Art of 2D animation.
• 26:39
  Yeah, so sad, it's so sad. This is actually the next
• 26:44
  question. I want to ask you like, what
• 26:45
  your thoughts on how Disney has changed over the years, you
• 26:49
  know, the live-action remakes, for example, like what's where
• 26:53
  do you sit on that? Like generally, do you think
• 26:55
  it's the Disney change for the better or worse?
• 26:58
  Overall, I think that there's A bunch of people sat at the top
• 27:04
  that need to be replaced. I think Disney's ready for a new
• 27:09
  age. I think they've smashed it on.
• 27:12
  Some of the Disney remakes, like Cinderella was really good and
• 27:16
  ladin was absolutely amazing. But the thing about a lot in
• 27:20
  that made it good was it was different to the original film.
• 27:25
  They weren't trying to shop by shot.
• 27:27
  Recreated they introduced like different characters and
• 27:32
  Different relationships between them, which was the best bit
• 27:37
  Will Smith was just incredible in that film and it was some of
• 27:42
  the other ones that they've done.
• 27:45
  Like, you mentioned shop, shop remix, like isn't The Lion King
• 27:49
  supposedly like that. I have it.
• 27:51
  I'm not gonna lie to you. I haven't seen it.
• 27:53
  I know, I'm not, I'm not going to The Lion King was, my least
• 27:58
  for All. I'm gonna get cancelled.
• 28:00
  It was my least favorite. Any film.
• 28:03
  The Lion King is my least favorite is evil when I was
• 28:05
  younger. It's your favorite.
• 28:09
  I'm glad you asked. I have to that, my all-time
• 28:12
  favorites. One is The Little Mermaid,
• 28:13
  obviously, and the other one is the most underrated Disney movie
• 28:17
  of all time, which is Atlantis, the Lost Empire.
• 28:21
  It is such an incredible film and I'm so sad that it doesn't
• 28:26
  have the recognition. It deserves, there's no murch.
• 28:29
  There's no. Wow, it's me rides.
• 28:31
  It would be such good Disney rides.
• 28:33
  I'm actually thinking of making a video about this party that
• 28:36
  that's yeah. You should definitely.
• 28:37
  Lee. I got a few questions either.
• 28:39
  I'm very surprised that Disney hasn't gone with that because
• 28:42
  that's a very marketable thing you can do, I can do, I can like
• 28:46
  you know as a marketing guy I can already see the money dollar
• 28:49
  signs. As far as like you know just
• 28:52
  rides. I mean look at the success of
• 28:53
  Pirates of the Caribbean you know you just create these
• 28:56
  structures that people you know love and adore and they'll jump
• 29:00
  on that challenge. But yeah, you just have to look
• 29:03
  at what they did with with Star Wars to kind of go.
• 29:05
  Well, okay, it's clearly not an issue.
• 29:07
  Of merchandise and not, what is it?
• 29:11
  Must be like that. They don't see any value in it,
• 29:13
  but I find that strange like, why wouldn't you just, they just
• 29:17
  didn't push it like it. It did terribly in the box
• 29:21
  office, like when it first came out.
• 29:23
  So just new kind of like, oh, okay, we're going to pretend
• 29:26
  that never happened. They do exactly the same with
• 29:29
  the Black Cauldron, which is also a really great film, like
• 29:33
  no one know. Like if you're not a hardcore
• 29:35
  Disney fan, you don't know that film.
• 29:37
  Yes, but there was actually a right, it's so good.
• 29:40
  There was actually a Disney ride in.
• 29:43
  I think it was the, those I have a Hong Kong or Tokyo, Disneyland
• 29:48
  car. Remember I think I'm not sure
• 29:50
  one of them and it got discontinued because the ride
• 29:53
  was too scary for children. Skeleton demons coming out or
• 30:00
  trying to kill you and kids got way too scared, so they replace
• 30:04
  the ride, but wish I could have gone on it.
• 30:06
  Sounded amazing. Thing.
• 30:08
  That's a bit too scary. Wow.
• 30:13
  Okay, thanks for Sharon. Yeah, I just thought I was
• 30:17
  really cool. Obviously actually tied tight
• 30:19
  with that. Obviously you've done videos
• 30:21
  where you've kind of explored disney-themed, various different
• 30:25
  things that you'd like Harry Potter themed videos.
• 30:27
  But in that, I noticed you've got your very own kind of unique
• 30:30
  sense of fashion. You got lucky your own, kind of
• 30:33
  fashion sense. That's particularly interesting.
• 30:37
  And you try different Aesthetics which is interesting.
• 30:39
  Normally people with fashion, not always but a lot of the time
• 30:43
  it would use stick to one aesthetic and maybe that changes
• 30:45
  over time as you change over time but you try lots of
• 30:49
  different things so I'm just wondering where did your kind of
• 30:52
  love for interesting fashion begin and who, or what do you
• 30:57
  where do you take inspiration from?
• 31:02
  This fashion, I'm not really sure.
• 31:04
  Like I used to struggle with it a lot.
• 31:08
  Okay, so I would say, I only started getting into fashion
• 31:12
  when I also start getting into YouTube because I was suddenly a
• 31:15
  lot more conscious about how I looked and what I was presenting
• 31:18
  and my brand. So I used to just wear jeans and
• 31:22
  a top for most of my life and then, I always hated how I look
• 31:27
  like. I felt so unconfident and When I
• 31:29
  started YouTube, I actually had to start analyzing what I was
• 31:34
  doing on camera and how I looked.
• 31:36
  And I just realized like I hate jeans.
• 31:39
  I feel horrible in jeans. Why?
• 31:41
  I don't have to do this. I literally don't have to wear
• 31:44
  them. So I stopped, I stopped wearing
• 31:46
  jeans and I experimented more with dresses and skirts and at
• 31:50
  the beginning it was very like Kawaii cute.
• 31:53
  See pink fashion and then that was okay while I was at Uni but
• 31:58
  then obviously one I got my full time job, I couldn't be wearing
• 32:01
  like short tennis skirts to the office.
• 32:03
  So then I had to experiment with more mature Styles so that got
• 32:08
  me into like calf, like midi skirts and more modest clothing
• 32:14
  which I started really enjoying as well.
• 32:17
  And now that I'm in the Band, I feel like that's not going to
• 32:21
  cut it for being in a rock band. So now I'm experimenting with
• 32:25
  more like alternative Styles and I like wearing All black as
• 32:30
  well, but only on occasion if I'm, you know, day-to-day, I
• 32:37
  like to wear pretty dresses. It just makes me feel the best
• 32:40
  that I can. And I know a lot of people
• 32:42
  struggle with, oh, I could never wear that because I'm afraid of
• 32:45
  people judging me. But, like, That she doesn't
• 32:49
  matter. It's what makes you feel good.
• 32:51
  If you're confident then people are not going to even think
• 32:54
  about what you're wearing. You've kind of already answered
• 32:58
  my next question but I just want to kind of explore a little bit
• 33:00
  further. So you said that, obviously your
• 33:02
  change in fashion was mostly tied to your YouTube and kind of
• 33:07
  looking at yourself for a lens. And yeah, as you said thinking
• 33:10
  about how you are seen on the camera and stuff, and it's as
• 33:13
  much for you, as it is for them, it's like a kind of, you know,
• 33:17
  Those you thinking about two things that you think about
• 33:20
  myself how I feel and then how your audience perceives you and
• 33:23
  such and your brand as well. But was there like a particular
• 33:28
  moment thing where you made that decision or is it you just kind
• 33:33
  of did a couple of videos and thought?
• 33:35
  Okay let's change it up, let's try something different or was
• 33:38
  there a different type of motivation?
• 33:40
  Something else that happened that made you think okay I need
• 33:42
  to do something I was such a I'm always like this.
• 33:48
  I will analyze every tiny little thing I do.
• 33:51
  So like a lot of YouTubers will put out a video and they'll
• 33:54
  never watch it ever again. I will watch it like more times
• 33:57
  than I should pick out things. I'm like oh that's a weird
• 34:01
  mannerism that I do any like all like all those kind of cute.
• 34:04
  I guess I'll do that more. This sounds very neurodivergent
• 34:10
  I just realized but it's Just, I'm very like particular with
• 34:16
  these sorts of things. But I'd say my name style,
• 34:20
  change was when I started meeting my current friendship
• 34:26
  group and going to Comic-Con and being in the moment and seeing
• 34:33
  like the different being inspired by my friends.
• 34:36
  In the Styles around me and obviously like you know, it's
• 34:39
  like crowd mentality as well. Isn't it?
• 34:42
  Like you want to fit into your peers?
• 34:44
  So I just started Dressing more that weight like Having the
• 34:49
  courage to dress in a way that makes me feel good because I'm
• 34:52
  surrounded by other people. That also are doing that too.
• 34:56
  Okay. I just got asked you on this
• 34:59
  front because I was, I was due to have a guest actually on this
• 35:01
  show who did cosplay, but unfortunately, they weren't
• 35:03
  available anymore. And but I still have these
• 35:07
  questions. I want to know.
• 35:08
  Yeah. Can you please explain the
• 35:11
  appeal of both Comic Con and cosplay?
• 35:16
  I've never been to Comic-Con. I've never done cosplay.
• 35:20
  I have no idea, kind of looks cool.
• 35:21
  Sometimes when I see people doing videos and stuff and you
• 35:24
  see the conventions, but in your own words, from your
• 35:27
  perspective, what's the appeal, I mean, you're into Harry Potter
• 35:33
  and Marvel and things like that. Right.
• 35:35
  Sure. It's honestly just the love of
• 35:39
  these fandoms. Just personified is what it
• 35:42
  feels like. So I can't even explain like the
• 35:47
  rush of the first time I went to Comic-Con.
• 35:49
  It was really like a light bulb lit off in my head because I'd
• 35:53
  always liked through school. I knew that I was like different
• 35:58
  and I didn't fit in with people in my school.
• 36:01
  All and I could never pin Point. Why?
• 36:03
  And I was like, what is it about me?
• 36:05
  That is not connecting with people.
• 36:08
  And then I went to Comic-Con and I just walked in the door and
• 36:10
  I'll just went, oh my God, this is what I'm like this.
• 36:16
  These are my people, I have finally found my people.
• 36:18
  Everyone around, you loves things like Disney or Harry
• 36:22
  Potter. You can actually go up to a
• 36:23
  random person. Awesome.
• 36:25
  What their Hogwarts house was and they just wouldn't think you
• 36:27
  were weird. Oh my God, it was just that
• 36:30
  acceptance. It's honestly is just acceptance
• 36:33
  and having a place where you're not weird that is the main
• 36:37
  appeal of it and it just Alicia makes me feel kind of emotional
• 36:41
  because this is like the place. I met my friendship groups, I
• 36:44
  have now before. Yeah, I just hadn't like
• 36:48
  connected with people before then and you just form such
• 36:53
  like, strong bonds and you have so much to talk about because
• 36:56
  you're like, I have you seen this new episode of the show?
• 36:59
  I love and before that was something you'd have to kind.
• 37:01
  Of like do by yourself and you know, that kind of thing.
• 37:05
  And it was just amazing to meet people that are have similar
• 37:08
  interests. There's kind of like a niche, it
• 37:10
  was a neat interested, it doesn't feel like it is anymore.
• 37:13
  Marvel now seems like the mainstream, but it definitely
• 37:16
  didn't used to be. This might seem like a stupid
• 37:18
  question but like other than the, you know, the obvious
• 37:21
  things of like meeting people, you know, famous people or, you
• 37:27
  know, seeing the different stores and stuff like that.
• 37:29
  What do you actually do? You walk around you buy things
• 37:36
  you talk to people. You have, okay?
• 37:39
  Let me explain. I'll tell you I'll take you to
• 37:41
  my Comic-Con day. Break - okay.
• 37:43
  Mine is different to a lot of people is because I am not a
• 37:46
  morning person and so you go to Comic-Con you're in a big air
• 37:53
  and be with big air and Air B&B. You're in a big Ambien beef with
• 37:57
  maybe like ten of a of your friends, all right?
• 38:01
  Yep, you wake up at like 8:00 you start getting ready in your
• 38:04
  cosplay that takes maybe four hours?
• 38:07
  What will you also have breakfast?
• 38:09
  You got our breakfast as well, as you order or you we are, we
• 38:12
  call it actually do this on Mondays, I'm getting ahead of
• 38:14
  myself. Okay, I'll know I'll explain
• 38:18
  that now after Comic Con because I know I'm going to forget if I
• 38:20
  don't says, now after Comic-Con we're all around.
• 38:24
  Wait, let me start again. So, my friends from Comic-Con
• 38:30
  are like, from all over the country.
• 38:33
  So, these people are traveling down and we'll all stay in a big
• 38:36
  Airbnb. There's like, 10 of us, and it's
• 38:39
  just so fun to just spend time with people.
• 38:43
  And you don't have any other responsibilities, you're just,
• 38:46
  you know, you're just hanging out and just having the best
• 38:49
  time all week and you just chill.
• 38:51
  People have different like schedules, so some people will
• 38:54
  need to be at the convention early.
• 38:56
  Because they have stalls at Comic-Con.
• 38:58
  So my friend. Liam stocky boy, is an artist,
• 39:01
  and he sells his much and like, pins and art prints at
• 39:06
  Comic-Con. So he will have to go early to
• 39:08
  set up for that. And he'll usually take like one
• 39:13
  or two of us that go and help him.
• 39:15
  So there the morning people and then there's people like me, he
• 39:18
  will not be going to the convention until at least midday
• 39:21
  because we've, you know, woken up at 8 and taking four hours to
• 39:25
  get ready and I'll call He plays and then go and it's chill.
• 39:28
  And then the first thing we do when we enter, is have lunch, so
• 39:32
  we'll there's such great lunch places, they're usually Japanese
• 39:38
  food will have, which is that is so good.
• 39:42
  So we'll have lunch and we'll go and sit on the floor and we'll
• 39:44
  just chat eating our lunch and then we'll go and see Liam at
• 39:47
  his stall. Hang out asking how it's going
• 39:50
  to run a couple of errands for him.
• 39:51
  He'll say, can you please come and get me?
• 39:53
  Starbuck them to buying we're going to Sean Problem will go
• 39:56
  off. Toge my Starbucks.
• 39:57
  You can see there's literally no structure here is that you just
• 40:00
  hang out with your friends. You're walking around like all
• 40:04
  of my friends went most of us have like ADHD or something so
• 40:07
  we're like oh this thing I did was literally just like being
• 40:12
  being being of like I was walking around the halls.
• 40:14
  I've been distracted and just having the best time with each
• 40:18
  other by and things take like going outside and taking photos
• 40:23
  in your cosplay as well as a massive part of the day.
• 40:26
  And then when the convention closes is, when the fun really
• 40:29
  starts, so you'll all go out to like a wagon Mama's, you get the
• 40:34
  cable car over to the o to have dinner with everyone and then
• 40:37
  you'll go back to that either the pub.
• 40:41
  You have some drinks. Chill.
• 40:42
  And then go back to the Airbnb and it's just so fun and you do
• 40:46
  it all over again. Imagine this just walking into a
• 40:48
  pub and everyone's dressed like anime characters or like a
• 40:51
  particular fandom you're like what is going on.
• 40:55
  It's so Fun and people are dancing.
• 40:58
  Everyone's didn't like like the Macarena and you've got like
• 41:02
  Naruto next to Harry Potter and it's just like, it's so funny.
• 41:06
  It's so so fun, sounds like that.
• 41:08
  Real love is the best time I got to ask.
• 41:11
  Okay the cosplay. So it's got a couple of
• 41:15
  questions about firstly, why does it?
• 41:17
  I mean presumably the reason it takes so long to set it up as
• 41:21
  you've just got a lot of what makeup and stuff to do with your
• 41:26
  hair and stuff like that. Or why does it take so long?
• 41:31
  I feel like something most people are probably wouldn't,
• 41:33
  but I'm get very distracted. So like, okay, as another shower
• 41:37
  and dry. My hair.
• 41:38
  That's at least an hour and then like, you go to do costume
• 41:41
  alterations. So it says, something's fallen
• 41:43
  off your costume, you've got a glue gun it back on.
• 41:46
  Wow, another hour and then make up an hour and just like getting
• 41:51
  ready and then taking pics as for 24 hours, easy easy.
• 41:55
  So when it comes to sourcing for materials and stuff is there
• 42:00
  Like particular places that you purchased this stuff, does
• 42:03
  everyone tend to opt to create the stuff themselves?
• 42:06
  I mean we're going to get into your design stuff so a bit later
• 42:09
  but like as far as like just creating these cosplayers, I
• 42:13
  took us through the sourcing and the creation of a cosplay.
• 42:18
  Yes. And like it.
• 42:20
  It's cosplayers fine. I don't know what to say.
• 42:23
  Is that what you've got? Because that's play so-called
• 42:25
  say if you referring to a costume, then you say cosplay I
• 42:35
  this is a tricky one actually because like if you say costume,
• 42:40
  that's not really the right word because yes it is a costume but
• 42:44
  cosplay kind of takes it to the next level.
• 42:48
  Where you are either putting a spin on a character and you're
• 42:54
  doing something different or you're really trying to
• 42:58
  recreate. Exactly.
• 43:00
  And costume just doesn't feel like it gives it Enough Merit
• 43:08
  because it is a very big thing that you do, you know, like a
• 43:13
  costume is like, oh you just put on a like a Halloween Regency
• 43:19
  dress like they that's it, like that's just the dress.
• 43:22
  But it's does not cause play, you know, but you're not
• 43:25
  cosplaying a someone from 1800's, you know what I mean?
• 43:29
  That is their characters without the character and that kind of
• 43:33
  thing because the question. Sorry.
• 43:36
  What are you? You wanted a different question
• 43:38
  of mine but yeah, no, no it's fine.
• 43:39
  It's good, it's good. It's all of this is good, it's
• 43:41
  interesting. I was just wondering about the
• 43:44
  sourcing of materials and how you create the costumes or
• 43:48
  cosplays. Yeah.
• 43:50
  So there's definitely like to bits to it is that you can
• 43:53
  either buy a costume cosplay or my God, I literally did this
• 43:58
  under my head. Now you can either buy it or you
• 44:02
  can make it yourself. I my preference is to actually
• 44:05
  do Hybrid, I like to mix them together so I start with a base
• 44:11
  which I will usually get from my favorite places, get basis.
• 44:16
  I like promark. So like, say my character has a
• 44:19
  white. Top Primark has amazing cheap
• 44:23
  plain white tops that I can alter.
• 44:25
  So let's say the neckline isn't quite right.
• 44:27
  I can easily change the neckline instead of making a top from
• 44:31
  scratch. Is that kind of thing is I like
• 44:33
  to start with Even my Bridget in dress that I made that I started
• 44:38
  with a base so instead of having to make the dress and do all the
• 44:41
  patterns, I got a dress and then I changed it to be what I
• 44:46
  needed. It's be.
• 44:47
  So that's I find is the most efficient way to make a cosplay.
• 44:53
  That's interesting because I always kind of automatically
• 44:55
  assume that they just really expensive because you see the
• 44:58
  materials just level of effort. Yeah.
• 45:00
  Well that's what's going to get to you?
• 45:01
  Like I'm sure there are elements.
• 45:02
  Yeah, I suppose. It depends who you're cosplaying
• 45:05
  as really doesn't. If you're going to do an anime
• 45:09
  character or something that's going to probably set you back
• 45:11
  quite a lot because it's like all these different elements
• 45:13
  that are costume. Plus whatever you do with your
• 45:16
  hair, the makeup Etc. It's going to take cost a lot,
• 45:19
  but cosplay is so expensive. I cannot stress.
• 45:23
  This enough. It is terrifically expensive,
• 45:27
  Jesus, you make it yourself. We're just kind of stopped doing
• 45:31
  it as much now because my so I love doing Disney princesses Of
• 45:36
  course but living my dream of working at Disney.
• 45:39
  So these dresses. Okay, so I get mine imported
• 45:46
  from Japan and I kid, you not. I will spend maybe 300 to 400
• 45:53
  pounds on one of these dresses and that's not even including
• 45:56
  the wig. That's insane for a dress that
• 46:01
  I'm gonna wear once. Five, I expected it to be more.
• 46:07
  I thought I mean some people's are some things are thousands,
• 46:13
  hundreds, unlike you see the most amazing stuff people make
• 46:18
  like they're in, like I don't know, like the done A League of
• 46:21
  Legends character and they're like in this big like armor and
• 46:24
  they've got stilts on this crazy and people make their own chain
• 46:28
  mail as well, that obviously cost a lot of money.
• 46:32
  Yeah, it's in the hundreds, it's definitely in the hundreds.
• 46:36
  You can do it on a, on the budget.
• 46:38
  But Harry Potter is on a budget, for example, like that's a
• 46:43
  budget cosplay, you can do. I'm sure there must be negative
• 46:49
  aspects to like, cut Comic Cons and stuff like the way people
• 46:53
  act and stuff. This one a little bit kind of
• 46:56
  touch on that. One of the things I wanted to
• 46:58
  ask you is because I know that people like to roleplay
• 47:02
  sometimes when they're doing cause plays and stuff, is there
• 47:05
  anyone that like takes it too far, I've ever seen anything
• 47:07
  like that. Where people kind of, I don't
• 47:09
  know, get bit weird and I actually have only had positive
• 47:13
  experiences of people. It's just, I've heard definitely
• 47:18
  heard of people having negative experiences, but I feel like
• 47:22
  you're more likely to have a negative experience if you are
• 47:28
  with one other person. So I'm always in a group of 10
• 47:32
  people. So no one's going to come up to
• 47:34
  me in my group and say something you do to me like numbers behind
• 47:40
  me, so no one's going to do that.
• 47:43
  And also, I feel like I've been some people.
• 47:47
  Like, if you go, you kind of get stuck in the convention center,
• 47:51
  which is very busy, it's very packed, it's very stressful.
• 47:55
  When I go to Comic-Con, I go on a press pass, so I have to apply
• 47:57
  for it and, you know, like, I'll make a YouTube blog and they'll
• 48:01
  be like, okay cool. Here's a pass.
• 48:03
  You can. Oh, cool, come.
• 48:05
  But with that pass, you also get access to the Green Room, which
• 48:10
  is just a quiet place for people to I feel creative, just go and
• 48:14
  chill. And you're away from everyone on
• 48:16
  the hustle and bustle. And you can just just have a bit
• 48:20
  of a breather, which is definitely like life-saving,
• 48:26
  cool, learning something here that you have.
• 48:30
  One of the things you touched on there, which I had actually
• 48:33
  forgotten that you told me this before, but I just wanted to
• 48:36
  bring this up. So you mentioned you've got this
• 48:37
  dream of working at Disney. Let's, let's explore that a
• 48:42
  little bit. What?
• 48:42
  Actly is their dream. What do you want to do the goal?
• 48:45
  I dream has always always been too well to voice a Disney
• 48:49
  princess, that's like my number-one.
• 48:52
  I would have. I just I'm done.
• 48:54
  Like, if I do that, I'm tick. Life is complete for me, can't
• 48:59
  get better than that. I would love to, I'd love to get
• 49:02
  into voice acting being in the studio and just playing around
• 49:05
  with lines and seeing how I can portray it.
• 49:07
  And then working with other people and bouncing off each
• 49:10
  other. I would love to do that.
• 49:12
  I really I have been meaning to get into it, I don't know.
• 49:17
  I'm hoping that like, we're doing a lot of recording in the
• 49:20
  studio, is giving me like a lot of experience with that as well
• 49:23
  and working with other people. But also I'd love to do like a
• 49:27
  year where I just go to Disney World and I'm you know it is the
• 49:32
  princess, I don't know who they put meows, I hope it would be.
• 49:36
  I'm the right height for a Disney princess actually to work
• 49:39
  in the Parks. So I didn't think Blessed about
• 49:44
  that, they're very particular. I think you have to be like
• 49:47
  between 55 and 57 I think because obviously the costumes
• 49:52
  are one size and everyone has to fit in them.
• 49:55
  So you can't be taller or shorter of ways.
• 49:58
  A costume won't fit. So that one is a costume.
• 50:01
  Actually that's not a cosplay but yeah, I just I really want
• 50:07
  to do it. I'm just with covid and
• 50:09
  everything that auditions have kind of stopped and I before I
• 50:13
  definitely didn't have enough confidence to successfully do a
• 50:16
  Disney audition, but I feel like now I might have a better
• 50:19
  chance. So there's there's always next
• 50:22
  year. Why not go for it.
• 50:23
  Yeah, first approach in 2022. So I'd love to do it.
• 50:27
  I would go for it. Do it, people want it mr.
• 50:32
  Tester. Let's move it forward.
• 50:34
  So You're a small business owner and you sell vintage inspired
• 50:39
  jewelry. So, Took us to just a little bit
• 50:44
  about this business, your design process and your sourcing
• 50:48
  process from materials and everything.
• 50:56
  Sorry, what did you say? So so let's start with like the
• 51:00
  the business self. What does this list?
• 51:04
  Let's explore maybe how you started this business.
• 51:06
  I had this business, begin I actually don't know.
• 51:13
  Okay. Is it maybe like an offshoot of
• 51:18
  getting into your fashion and then you sort of had this
• 51:21
  inspiration to start selling your stuff?
• 51:25
  Yeah. So I have like a big interest
• 51:29
  In. Like entrepreneurship to be
• 51:33
  honest, because I obviously quit my full-time job and then I was
• 51:41
  like, oh, there's a pandemic. There's no money coming in.
• 51:44
  What can I do? And I just thought I have all
• 51:46
  these different skills. Like, I have too many hobbies.
• 51:51
  How can I use all of this? Hmm.
• 51:55
  How can I put it all to use and do one thing?
• 51:58
  And I was like, oh, starting an online business.
• 52:01
  She takes all my boxes. So I can make websites.
• 52:05
  I can design things. I can do social media marketing,
• 52:11
  like, everything. All these different skills, I'm
• 52:14
  accumulated from different places.
• 52:16
  I can put it towards this and I love doing it.
• 52:19
  I love creating like having a project to work on and then get
• 52:23
  it out. I'd really love to do more
• 52:26
  business is like this. It's just is is time I'm not
• 52:30
  finding that time at the moment. Yeah it's just something you got
• 52:35
  always that work and keep going. She's going.
• 52:37
  I mean it's good stuff from Saying it's definitely you guys
• 52:41
  should all check it out. Links are in the description.
• 52:44
  But yeah, I mean it's I think it fits into everything that you're
• 52:49
  doing at the moment, especially the fact that it's like, vintage
• 52:53
  jewelry. And it kind of fits with a lot
• 52:55
  of the things that you're wearing and stuff.
• 52:56
  That actually, that was a thing that I wanted to ask you
• 52:59
  initially, like what's what's the design process?
• 53:02
  And how do you Source these things?
• 53:04
  Like, do you find them in vintage shops and then you come
• 53:08
  up with ideas too. Two.
• 53:10
  Develop them or and such or like how does the design process work
• 53:14
  at your company. Hold on. so, Right ahead of
• 53:29
  something. I'm going to say.
• 53:34
  This is been so. So I got into just before covid,
• 53:40
  I really started getting into art.
• 53:42
  I love Renaissance art. I went to Florence and I saw my
• 53:48
  favorite paintings by Botticelli and I was just blown away before
• 53:52
  then I've never really gotten into art and art history, but
• 53:55
  now I just absolutely love it. I love walking around art
• 53:58
  galleries and learning about the history and the artists.
• 54:02
  I love all of that. So I was like, okay, I want to
• 54:06
  do something with that. And the thing about these pieces
• 54:10
  of art is that they're out of copyright because the artist
• 54:14
  died more than I think it's 70 years ago.
• 54:17
  So, now they're in public domain and anyone can use them, which
• 54:21
  is great. So I have like a manufacturer
• 54:26
  abroad that I talk to you. I'm currently working on some
• 54:30
  new designs. Now, actually, I've been meaning
• 54:33
  Going to follow up with him about that, but my next
• 54:37
  collection is going to be sort of like ballet inspired.
• 54:43
  So yeah, I'm really excited for that.
• 54:44
  And I'm starting to experiment more with, not just jewelry, but
• 54:47
  also accessories, like, I've got these mirrors that are coming
• 54:52
  out soon and then also, I'm looking at bags as well.
• 54:55
  Just adding more things to my store, like, curating, a shop
• 54:59
  that goes well and then marketing it, and that sort of
• 55:03
  thing. So what would you say?
• 55:06
  The biggest kind of challenges of being a small business owner.
• 55:11
  Oh consistency, 100% consistency.
• 55:15
  I have such a scatterbrain, I've forget to do anything for
• 55:19
  literally a month. And I'm like, I haven't been
• 55:21
  advertising my business, and I got my Shopify fees coming out
• 55:25
  of my bank account. I haven't even advertised it.
• 55:27
  I'm wasting money and time, and stock.
• 55:30
  And I'm, I just Can't focus on one thing for more than like a
• 55:38
  month. And what advice could you give
• 55:44
  to aspiring small business owners from what you've learned
• 55:48
  so far? I would say, don't Put like a
• 55:56
  ceiling over your head of that makes sense.
• 55:58
  Like you can literally learn to do anything.
• 56:02
  Don't let the fear of oh, I don't know how to do that.
• 56:05
  Like stand in the way of you doing anything because that is
• 56:08
  what my degree taught me. The most which I did a degree in
• 56:14
  computer science and a lot of that is research.
• 56:17
  You know, you're not taught every language.
• 56:21
  You don't know all the syntax. You don't know what bugs are
• 56:24
  going to come up. So most of that job is
• 56:27
  researching and learning, you have to learn quickly and taking
• 56:33
  that sort of like mentality and applying it to everything else
• 56:37
  is game-changing. It's like you don't know how to
• 56:40
  draw, okay? But you can learn is literally
• 56:44
  you can literally do anything. You honestly can like, oh, you
• 56:49
  don't know how to make a website.
• 56:50
  It's really not that hard. Nothing is that hard?
• 56:54
  You can do anything and just having that is.
• 56:58
  So, It's just very empowering to be honest.
• 57:04
  Bring it Vice, thank you so much for sharing.
• 57:07
  You mentioned sort of earlier that you have trouble focusing
• 57:12
  sometimes and stuff like that. Now that's tied to your recent
• 57:16
  diagnosis of ADHD. Yeah, so obviously this being a
• 57:20
  recent thing, so you didn't always know necessarily you had
• 57:23
  it. You had England's about it and
• 57:24
  stuff so talk us through your experiences so far and kind of
• 57:29
  where it all began. An for you and sort of getting
• 57:31
  to this point with the final diagnosis and stuff.
• 57:36
  It has been such a long journey. I've struggled with focus and
• 57:41
  everything ADHD for my whole life.
• 57:44
  It was never spotted when I was a child.
• 57:47
  And unfortunately I've had to struggle my way through school.
• 57:53
  I always knew something was wrong though because school was
• 57:57
  so hard. Exams was so difficult revising.
• 58:02
  It should never have been that hard, but it was.
• 58:05
  Why do you think they missed it? The initial diagnosis.
• 58:11
  I think. There's a couple of reasons one,
• 58:15
  I was very, very shy and I came from quite a strict household.
• 58:21
  So having outbursts and being loud, wasn't a thing that was
• 58:28
  even like acceptable. So being shy, I would have to
• 58:37
  hold everything in at school. All of these like I was massive.
• 58:43
  Just her at school. Like yeah, still, I'd get in
• 58:46
  trouble. A lot with teachers, but like
• 58:48
  emotionally and being like, what's going on.
• 58:51
  In my head I couldn't be outside and then as soon as I got home
• 58:56
  from school, my mom would close the door and I would just on the
• 58:59
  floor, I just crumble like scream for an hour because I
• 59:04
  just couldn't handle the pressure of like the day and I,
• 59:08
  yes, I do want to let how do you see this in your child and not
• 59:11
  think something. What's wrong with her?
• 59:16
  But we got through it and then I just have to be good when, you
• 59:21
  know after that, and Yeah, it was a it was it was a lot of
• 59:29
  jewelry. I don't normally ask my guests
• 59:32
  age, but you're in your mid-20s now.
• 59:35
  Yes, I'm 25. So, how come when you go into
• 59:38
  sort of adult life? You didn't kind of seek to get a
• 59:42
  diagnosis sooner like, was there, something blocking that?
• 59:44
  Or is it just know it was ADHD? I thought I was just a useless
• 59:50
  person. I had so many negative thoughts
• 59:53
  about myself my entire life. I why can't I just Do it.
• 59:57
  Why can't I be like other people?
• 59:58
  Like am I just so lazy? I honestly felt so angry at
• 1:00:03
  myself and it really lowered my confidence and it wasn't until
• 1:00:09
  actually you kind of asked me this like why wasn't it picked
• 1:00:12
  up on every? And it wasn't picked up on is
• 1:00:15
  because I was a high achiever at school.
• 1:00:19
  I always got good grades always Somehow through a lot of
• 1:00:26
  struggle. I naturally have the ability to
• 1:00:29
  pick things up, very, very quickly.
• 1:00:31
  For example, all of my exams, I'd literally, like, for
• 1:00:34
  history. I would read the textbook once
• 1:00:37
  do the exam and I would have full marks because that's all I
• 1:00:41
  needed to do to revise. But to get to the point where I
• 1:00:44
  sit down and read the book, like it would take me an hour on the
• 1:00:47
  train to read it and then I go and do the exam the next day
• 1:00:50
  that was all I needed to do to get Really good grades.
• 1:00:55
  Do you have a photographic memory that?
• 1:00:58
  It's not fully photographic, but there is, it's like semi
• 1:01:02
  photographic. So I can really easily memorize
• 1:01:06
  numbers. I can very easily look at a page
• 1:01:10
  and recreate it. So, what I would do when exams
• 1:01:13
  got harder, as I'd read the book, I write on like one, A4
• 1:01:17
  sheet like a cheat sheet. Everything I needed to know like
• 1:01:20
  formulas dates, important facts, And I'd write that on a sheet of
• 1:01:25
  paper before the exam for an hour.
• 1:01:27
  I would just stare at it. Memorize, I'd have like,
• 1:01:30
  patterns on the page and then as soon as I went into the exam sat
• 1:01:34
  down. First thing I did was the blank
• 1:01:36
  sheet of paper. I'd recreate my cheat sheet like
• 1:01:39
  that, and then I literally didn't need to remember anything
• 1:01:42
  because I had every single thing I needed on this piece of paper.
• 1:01:45
  So then it doesn't matter that it was gone by the end of the
• 1:01:48
  exam because I could refer to it and be like, okay.
• 1:01:51
  And that's literally how I did every single.
• 1:01:53
  Wow. Wow, I know is literally notes
• 1:01:58
  and you could have asked me the day later.
• 1:02:00
  What the exam was about, and I couldn't have told you, it was
• 1:02:03
  gone. I have a really good short-term
• 1:02:06
  memory. Long term is different story.
• 1:02:10
  I remember meeting a guy in 64 mostly who did something
• 1:02:13
  similar. He did like who took about his
• 1:02:16
  GCSE physics or something? Chemistry, someone like that.
• 1:02:21
  And he said that what he done, obviously, I don't know.
• 1:02:23
  I can do this anymore but what he done is in the textbooks, he
• 1:02:26
  remembered every single because at the bottom of the science
• 1:02:31
  textbooks used to have those okey Point sections, then be
• 1:02:34
  like five bullet points. Yeah and he just learned every
• 1:02:38
  single one of those off by heart for our all of them.
• 1:02:42
  And this is the problem with exams.
• 1:02:44
  It's not about knowledge. It's about remembering how well
• 1:02:47
  pretest. Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  How well could you remember which is yep.
• 1:02:50
  Yes. But here we are and that's how
• 1:02:52
  we got it. He ate.
• 1:02:53
  You got Star. Well, he didn't remember
• 1:02:55
  anything. Like, he just said I died.
• 1:02:57
  I didn't learn anything and I'm like, how can I learn?
• 1:03:00
  But what that is, literally my school experience and this is
• 1:03:03
  why I didn't pick up that. I had ADHD for such a long time
• 1:03:08
  because obviously I said, well, I'm doing well in school so
• 1:03:11
  white, there's obviously not a problem here that actually
• 1:03:15
  sitting down to do the revision and to read the book was an
• 1:03:19
  absolute total nightmare. It felt like I was trying to Run
• 1:03:24
  through a brick wall. Like I just couldn't sit down
• 1:03:26
  and focus. It was worse.
• 1:03:28
  Things wild coursework so difficult for me to do.
• 1:03:31
  So I did my so my final year dissertation at Uni You given
• 1:03:37
  six months to do it. I wrote my 15,000 word
• 1:03:41
  dissertation in four days and it was the four days before the
• 1:03:44
  deadline. I was working up until half an
• 1:03:47
  hour before the deadline was submitted.
• 1:03:49
  So fifth days before, my dissertation was you, I hadn't
• 1:03:52
  written a single word and then I had to sit down and do it and
• 1:03:55
  because I got that adrenaline rush I could then do it and I
• 1:03:58
  would be right in like three thousand words of more than that
• 1:04:03
  three and a half thousand words a day.
• 1:04:05
  And then I didn't even have time to read through my dissertation
• 1:04:07
  before I handed it in, but it's still good.
• 1:04:10
  Mark somehow and graduated with first, but this is relations
• 1:04:14
  well, but also, what did I learn?
• 1:04:18
  What do I know it's all gone? Like, I could, I could do the
• 1:04:24
  memory tests like that was fine but it wasn't until I spoke to
• 1:04:28
  someone from school. I used to go to school with who
• 1:04:32
  was also a high achiever that had ADHD.
• 1:04:35
  It wasn't I spoke with him but I realize actually this is what it
• 1:04:39
  is because I just assumed I had. It's like the stigma you know
• 1:04:43
  like people with ADHD there they're loud, they're
• 1:04:46
  hyperactive, they're disruptive in class and they don't do well
• 1:04:49
  in school that will just wasn't the case for me.
• 1:04:52
  So I didn't pick up, I had it and then after speaking to him
• 1:04:56
  and realizing that he had the diagnosis and he was like this
• 1:04:59
  is why I worked the same way you did.
• 1:05:04
  Revising only the day before. Before the exam and now I'm on
• 1:05:08
  medication and my life has massively improved.
• 1:05:10
  I was like, oh my gosh, this is something.
• 1:05:13
  I might be able to improve and change and now I am very happy
• 1:05:19
  to finally have my diagnosis and I just feel like such a weight
• 1:05:22
  off my shoulder and I can start tackling all these self-esteem
• 1:05:26
  issues that I've had for so many years for those who are out
• 1:05:30
  there right now, who might give a be going through the same
• 1:05:33
  thing, you're going through now or unsure.
• 1:05:38
  Can you tell us a little bit about what's happening?
• 1:05:40
  Now, as far as that, what are the next stages?
• 1:05:42
  And also I don't know if there's any advice you can give for
• 1:05:44
  people right now. The in a similar situation I'd
• 1:05:48
  say if you can identify with anything that I've said, it's
• 1:05:52
  not just like trouble focusing. Its also impulse.
• 1:05:56
  So like impulse control I have bad impulses with shopping.
• 1:06:00
  I have like emotional outbursts. I struggle to regulate my
• 1:06:05
  emotions. Ins.
• 1:06:06
  I have, I've struggled a lot with household, chores, doing
• 1:06:11
  things regularly, anything like that, you can get help for it
• 1:06:16
  and you should talk to your GP. There's this things that I did,
• 1:06:19
  which Check out a website called Psychiatry UK.
• 1:06:24
  You can get referred to them through the NHS, which hugely
• 1:06:29
  lowers the waiting list time. I think the waiting list on the
• 1:06:33
  NHS is two to three years, but I managed to get an appointment
• 1:06:37
  and diagnosed within 10 months, I now have two.
• 1:06:44
  Wait. Another six months for
• 1:06:46
  medication through this private thing.
• 1:06:49
  If it wasn't, if I wasn't doing it through the private.
• 1:06:51
  Yeah it would be another two to three years to wait for
• 1:06:54
  medication. I don't understand that.
• 1:06:56
  How did they not see that? That's the problem that I
• 1:06:59
  understand. That would be wrong people.
• 1:07:00
  Call me ignorant. So, or you don't know how, you
• 1:07:03
  know, difficulties for the NHS and resources and stuff.
• 1:07:06
  I know that. But yeah, like if people are
• 1:07:10
  having to wait for years, that what are you doing that?
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  But how do you cope? I don't know how I'm gonna cope
• 1:07:17
  for the next six months. Like, I couldn't even imagine
• 1:07:21
  waiting years. I honestly like it's such a big
• 1:07:23
  problem in my life. That if I was told the waiting
• 1:07:25
  list, is two to three years, I would just go private because
• 1:07:28
  like a couple hundred pounds. For me is an investment.
• 1:07:32
  If I can then work and actually keep a full-time job.
• 1:07:36
  The 300 pounds is worth paying for me to, you know, improve my
• 1:07:41
  life like that. Thank you very much for Sharon.
• 1:07:47
  Let's switch it up. So you currently reside in
• 1:07:50
  London, but you grew up in Cambridge.
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  I was just interested to know. How did these two places compare
• 1:07:57
  in terms of everyday life? Like, obviously, they're very
• 1:07:59
  different. But from your perspective,
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  spirits that what were the key differences?
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  Cambridge is a lot slower. London is very fast-paced.
• 1:08:14
  So where I live in Cambridge is, it's not actually the city
• 1:08:16
  center that I lived in. It was on the outskirts, so it
• 1:08:19
  felt very Countryside. There's a lot of greenery, a lot
• 1:08:23
  of lovely places to go for a walk.
• 1:08:25
  That's what I miss the most about, living, in Cambridge,
• 1:08:28
  living in London, like, especially during the pandemic,
• 1:08:31
  I felt like I was Locked in concrete.
• 1:08:35
  I hated, I hated it. I had a tiny little balcony,
• 1:08:39
  which was my space to go outside and it just, it isn't, it isn't
• 1:08:44
  it? Without all of the appeal of
• 1:08:47
  events and seeing friends in London, it just wasn't worth it.
• 1:08:53
  Obviously, I was just going to say that the architecture in
• 1:08:57
  Cambridge is also just absolutely stunning, like the
• 1:09:01
  university. It's so beautiful.
• 1:09:04
  Is really is like nothing else but I guess it's bit like Oxford
• 1:09:08
  but they are very similar and obviously you mentioned earlier
• 1:09:13
  that you kind of use music as a way to kind of get through
• 1:09:18
  pandemic or it's a focus of yours.
• 1:09:19
  But what else did you do? Like you said that it was, you
• 1:09:22
  know, you felt sort of Trapped. Yeah, I kind of felt the same
• 1:09:25
  here in Manchester dig because I don't know the area very well.
• 1:09:29
  I only moved here in 2020. So what else?
• 1:09:33
  Did you do? Like, how did you get through
• 1:09:35
  it? I did a lot of streaming
• 1:09:39
  actually on Twitch. I streamed three times a week
• 1:09:43
  and because of my ADHD, they were not like I went stream for
• 1:09:46
  two hours. I would stream for.
• 1:09:49
  I think the longest dream I did was over eight hours and I could
• 1:09:53
  have gone longer but it was like 5:00 in the morning, I just kept
• 1:09:58
  going, I played a lot of video games.
• 1:10:01
  I played most of the Harry. Games on the PC, which was
• 1:10:05
  really fun. And I also played all the
• 1:10:07
  Bioshock games, which was amazing.
• 1:10:10
  It's streaming something that you are going to.
• 1:10:15
  Are you still doing it or you do not currently doing it.
• 1:10:18
  I haven't done it since last year, but I really want to get
• 1:10:22
  back into it really because I feel like now I'm have a bit of
• 1:10:27
  time. Okay.
• 1:10:29
  And is it, you know, we obviously we mentioned earlier
• 1:10:31
  that you've got a YouTube channel.
• 1:10:33
  Are you still coming into that or is that on hold for?
• 1:10:36
  Now that what's the deal that it has been on hold while I've been
• 1:10:39
  figuring out what I want to do with it.
• 1:10:41
  I have I think I've a nineteen thousand subscribers on there,
• 1:10:46
  so I feel like it's such a, it's such a waste to not do anything
• 1:10:51
  with it, but also, I've just felt really like rundown about
• 1:10:55
  all the videos. I was making on there.
• 1:10:57
  It would take me months to make. I used to do, Disney covers
• 1:11:01
  like, live-action Disney covers. So, it would be like green
• 1:11:04
  screen, cause plays music. It would and video editing.
• 1:11:08
  It would take me so long to do all of these, and they would
• 1:11:11
  just get demonetized Instantly. Wow.
• 1:11:15
  So I just really started hitting a wall with it, and I was like,
• 1:11:19
  why, why am I doing this for like no money?
• 1:11:22
  No reason. I just, I've got to re-evaluate.
• 1:11:25
  And now I'm getting my music fix from doing stuff with the band.
• 1:11:30
  So now, I feel like my priority is, I can do videos that going
• 1:11:35
  to be a lot quicker for me to do, but also our good content.
• 1:11:38
  I hope I have a lot of ideas for it like more business and
• 1:11:42
  finance related. Things at Disney parks that kind
• 1:11:47
  of thing. I'd love to do.
• 1:11:49
  Excellent. Well, best of luck with that, I
• 1:11:50
  think people people be really into that.
• 1:11:52
  Think it's, I don't know. I mean, I'm personally a multi
• 1:11:55
  content creator and for me, it's more about just doing everything
• 1:12:00
  because I can't just do one thing.
• 1:12:02
  That's just me. Yes, I do think in general for
• 1:12:07
  Content creators, it is always worth giving it a go even if you
• 1:12:11
  just have. I mean, this is what I do, I do.
• 1:12:13
  I tend to have like different platforms for different things
• 1:12:16
  or different channels even. So, for example, like on
• 1:12:19
  YouTube, you know, I've got my main account and then I've got
• 1:12:22
  like a short count and then one for the podcast as well.
• 1:12:25
  And I feel like having that kind of mix, and spread means that
• 1:12:30
  anyone that's a follower of yours can kind of You know, find
• 1:12:36
  out everything that you do. Or if they only like, one
• 1:12:37
  particular thing, they can just subscribe to that channel.
• 1:12:40
  Ignore the rest. There is maybe it's not such a
• 1:12:43
  good idea to just do lots of different things on one channel.
• 1:12:46
  But I don't know, it's just tricky because I do, I do that
• 1:12:49
  on Tick. Tock, like, I just do a mixture
• 1:12:51
  of different things and sometimes I wonder about this,
• 1:12:53
  I'm like, is this Friday? Is this good?
• 1:12:55
  Is this bad? I don't know.
• 1:12:56
  But, yeah, best of luck with that.
• 1:13:01
  I just want to talk about your design career for a little bit
• 1:13:04
  because Yeah you've got like a lot of obviously you know you've
• 1:13:08
  got a degree in computer science.
• 1:13:11
  You've worked as a software engineer obviously on your
• 1:13:15
  website people can hire you as a UI ux designer there's a lot of
• 1:13:19
  different areas I can kind of go with this but I guess the main
• 1:13:22
  thing I want to kind of focus on is what the kind of key lessons
• 1:13:26
  that you've learned from being a software engineer and a UI ux
• 1:13:31
  designer The thing I was talking about earlier with doing your
• 1:13:39
  own research and learning. That's a big thing.
• 1:13:42
  I've learned from being a developer or so problem solving
• 1:13:47
  and thinking outside the box with the design aspect, I love
• 1:13:55
  UI ux design because it's still in the tech world.
• 1:13:58
  So I get to use all of my technology from my degree, but
• 1:14:03
  in a creative way, Which is something that I found was
• 1:14:07
  severely lacking when I was a programmer, it was very, you
• 1:14:12
  know, like code on a page. That's all you're looking at.
• 1:14:16
  I mean, front-end development, there's a bit more creativity
• 1:14:19
  but it wasn't as much as I needed.
• 1:14:23
  I really love to express myself creatively, play around with
• 1:14:28
  different designs. I absolutely love it.
• 1:14:30
  It doesn't feel like a job to me.
• 1:14:32
  That's what I wanted out of a job is to Have something that
• 1:14:35
  doesn't feel like a job. Hmm, I don't feel like I'm
• 1:14:37
  trapped and I'm sat doing something that I really don't
• 1:14:40
  enjoy. I mean, I can code but I don't
• 1:14:44
  get the enjoyment out of it. It drives me crazy.
• 1:14:47
  The amount of bugs, there's always a problem.
• 1:14:49
  It's a never-ending problem, but with UI design, it's, it's
• 1:14:54
  happier. It's just happy.
• 1:14:55
  It's a happier time. What do you think of the main
• 1:15:00
  things to avoid? What avoid doing in UI and ux
• 1:15:06
  because obviously, this is increasingly becoming more and
• 1:15:08
  more important as an aspect of marketing in general.
• 1:15:12
  And you know, it's website is the first thing that you deal
• 1:15:15
  with or an app or whatever. It's the first thing you
• 1:15:17
  interface with and very much, it's kind of like a
• 1:15:20
  representation or a reflection on your business, if it's if
• 1:15:23
  it's bad. So one of the main things to
• 1:15:25
  avoid you have outlined this perfectly.
• 1:15:28
  You have just said, it's the first thing that would cost him
• 1:15:31
  a look. Looks at it is very important is
• 1:15:34
  the interface that your customer is interacting with.
• 1:15:37
  So number one, stop getting developers and people with no
• 1:15:42
  design experience to design your website.
• 1:15:45
  Oh my gosh, this is my biggest pet peeve in the tech world.
• 1:15:49
  You see so many websites that just don't make sense.
• 1:15:52
  They're very bad, they're not intuitive to use.
• 1:15:55
  It's because you haven't bothered.
• 1:15:56
  You didn't want to invest in hiring a designer, you just got
• 1:16:00
  to pull the developers, they're making the So they can just
• 1:16:02
  design it to know. Don't do that bad.
• 1:16:06
  It's bad. They don't know what they're
• 1:16:07
  doing. And then you end up with things
• 1:16:10
  like Snapchat do, okay. You gotta tell us what's wrong
• 1:16:15
  with Snapchat. Doesn't make any sense.
• 1:16:18
  It doesn't make sense. It's but decides user interface,
• 1:16:23
  I do too. So it could be better.
• 1:16:25
  What would you change about Snapchat?
• 1:16:27
  If you could, if the main thing is, how you choose the different
• 1:16:31
  pages. So you've got it, you can swipe
• 1:16:34
  across or there's a button where you can also get to the same
• 1:16:37
  page. Why are there two different
• 1:16:38
  Actions. Now we want to be such a fairy
• 1:16:43
  that there are certain apps. I don't like I don't like the
• 1:16:46
  YouTube studio app. I've always thought that it's
• 1:16:49
  gotten a little bit better over the past year, but it's
• 1:16:52
  generally very buggy and it just doesn't compare to the website
• 1:16:59
  and to be honest, if anything, I think an app should be better
• 1:17:02
  than your website in many ways. Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  No because that most people that interact with your brand are
• 1:17:08
  doing so for a mobile device. So You know, that's the way you
• 1:17:12
  have to think. Like I remember when I was
• 1:17:13
  working in this one company, I've always worked in marketing
• 1:17:17
  and I remember we did some analytics trace and obviously
• 1:17:21
  you do that anywhere in marketing but we this is the
• 1:17:23
  first time we'd ever just sat down and looked at what, who's
• 1:17:25
  using our website and it was overwhelmingly like 60, 70 %,
• 1:17:31
  mobile users. It is now.
• 1:17:33
  Yeah. 20% desktop. So it's like that's the mindset.
• 1:17:36
  You have to have is that the app version is the most important
• 1:17:39
  aspect. How it looks on phones and
• 1:17:41
  stuff. Yeah, take 100%.
• 1:17:45
  Another great example is Amazon, Prime versus Netflix Netflix is
• 1:17:51
  far superior with their UI design.
• 1:17:52
  Amazon Prime looks old, it's clunky things are not where you
• 1:17:57
  expect them to be. So to continue watching, you
• 1:18:01
  have to scroll past suggestions but in the suggestions is the
• 1:18:07
  thing you're trying to watch. So if you click on that, it
• 1:18:10
  takes you back to the Beginning of the series you're watching
• 1:18:13
  and it's like, you have to go down even further to, oh my God,
• 1:18:17
  is this so bad. There's another one.
• 1:18:19
  I want to add to this, as well, just the final example, but it's
• 1:18:22
  an interesting one. So WWE, the wrestling company
• 1:18:25
  had four and they still do have a WWE Network, like their own
• 1:18:30
  streaming platform essentially, and it's still available in the
• 1:18:34
  UK. And I think, maybe in Europe,
• 1:18:36
  I'm not too sure, but in America, they've they've
• 1:18:39
  switched so you can no longer Go get the WWE Network in America
• 1:18:42
  as far as I'm aware and they moved to a platform called
• 1:18:46
  peacock which streams a bunch of different things.
• 1:18:49
  Right. Okay.
• 1:18:50
  And from what I understand when they made the move, people were
• 1:18:54
  really frustrated with the user interface.
• 1:18:56
  I spent two things. So for example, I mean, it's
• 1:19:01
  kind of a joke but like WWE Raw and SmackDown are like episodic
• 1:19:08
  television shows that have been going. 20 years, 25 years,
• 1:19:12
  right? But now in order to rather than
• 1:19:17
  it being dated like okay the week of first week of March,
• 1:19:21
  first week of April, whenever it goes by season date and it's
• 1:19:26
  like, well technically it never ends.
• 1:19:28
  I suppose you could call it a year or season, but it doesn't
• 1:19:31
  really apply. So then you his level which
• 1:19:33
  season is it like season? Oh my gosh, 137.
• 1:19:38
  Like it's just stupid and there's a bunch of other stuff.
• 1:19:40
  Like, it just doesn't have the same appeal or even, even the
• 1:19:45
  WWE Network. I remember I had it for a while
• 1:19:48
  and I was kind of a pretty underwhelmed, like the best part
• 1:19:51
  of bad, it was just the ability to just stream, whatever you
• 1:19:53
  want whenever you want. But even that, like, sometimes
• 1:19:55
  it was difficult to find things. Like I remember having to go on
• 1:19:59
  a bit of a wild goose, chase, just to find a particularly old
• 1:20:02
  set of pay-per-views that I wanted.
• 1:20:05
  You know I mean I think in those situations are search bar is is
• 1:20:09
  invaluable. Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  I don't know what I would have done without that because but
• 1:20:13
  even then you had to know bit, like what?
• 1:20:17
  And this is a bit of advice for anyone out there, make sure that
• 1:20:20
  you have a lot of tags connected to the different pages of things
• 1:20:25
  that people most likely to look for.
• 1:20:29
  Yeah, but that's I'm past the design.
• 1:20:31
  That's like how this how you're going to Code the search as well
• 1:20:36
  as well. Yeah.
• 1:20:37
  Because that's the thing. Like the way that you present it
• 1:20:40
  and the what terminology that you use isn't necessarily what
• 1:20:43
  your customers are going to be used.
• 1:20:44
  Exactly. This is why you need to get it
• 1:20:47
  right? You have to get it right
• 1:20:48
  otherwise you will lose business for example, Zara's website.
• 1:20:52
  I love Zara. I have so much money to give
• 1:20:55
  Zara but their website is so awful to use Irish.
• 1:21:00
  I won't use it. I have never ordered anything
• 1:21:03
  from Zara because it's the most Or for websites use, they've
• 1:21:05
  gone for this editorial look and it's chaotic and things are not
• 1:21:10
  positioned right in the page and I just won't use it, I will not
• 1:21:14
  use it, but if they had a website like a sauce or just
• 1:21:19
  Eddie, it's actually just a normal website.
• 1:21:21
  I would have spent so much money as our and they are missing out
• 1:21:25
  and I'm not the only person that feels this way, change it.
• 1:21:30
  You've been warned, change it. I have money to spend Like here,
• 1:21:36
  take my money but no problem. Certain website, literally.
• 1:21:42
  Okay, is my favorite question. What's the biggest life lesson
• 1:21:47
  that you've learned so far? People don't care about you as
• 1:21:57
  much as you think they do. This sounds not nice.
• 1:22:01
  But what I mean is you can get so much anxiety in your head of
• 1:22:06
  this person's looking at me funny or like, oh this person
• 1:22:09
  has acted a certain way because they don't like me.
• 1:22:12
  No, 99% of the time that is not the case.
• 1:22:17
  They just are going about their own lives and you are not even
• 1:22:21
  in their peripheral. You know what I mean?
• 1:22:23
  Like, totally agree, live for yourself and not consider
• 1:22:30
  because it'd be nice. But, you know, like don't take
• 1:22:33
  it too seriously and I myself. And as we draw things to a close
• 1:22:39
  for today, do you have any upcoming projects or final
• 1:22:42
  thoughts that you'd like, to leave honest with?
• 1:22:44
  I'm playing a gig on the 14th of October, but I don't know when
• 1:22:49
  this is coming out so it might have already happened it.
• 1:22:53
  People should be before but yeah if it's before okay that's what
• 1:22:58
  I'm working on. And then on the at the end of
• 1:23:02
  October maybe around like the 21st, snuggle teams having a new
• 1:23:07
  song coming out and yeah. It's called fangs.
• 1:23:11
  Oh, that's a bit of a leak but it's something that you haven't
• 1:23:18
  heard before. So it's going to be a good one.
• 1:23:21
  I have high hopes for this one. So that's all I'm really working
• 1:23:24
  on at the moment, but thank you for having me on your podcast.
• 1:23:27
  This has been really fun. It's been an absolute pleasure.
• 1:23:29
  Thank you very much for appearing on the podcast and to
• 1:23:33
  all the listeners of the Christian way podcast.
• 1:23:36
  As always, thank you very much for listening.
• 1:23:38
  Be safe, be well, and I'll see you in the next one.