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Perp guns down dad of three over parking spot! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius X Him Triumph.
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Speaker 1: Does it never end? That's my first question. I remember
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Speaker 1: looking for the first time at the photo of Trayvon
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Speaker 1: Martin's father adjusting his tie when he was a little boy.
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Speaker 1: And then he ends up dead on the ground, shot
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Speaker 1: down by the captain of the neighborhood watch for what,
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Speaker 1: going to the seven eleven and getting a diet coke
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, and the shooter walks free. We all
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Speaker 1: know the name George Zimmerman, and you walk free based
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Speaker 1: on a legal theory that I think is total b
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Speaker 1: S is sub derivative of self defense. It's called stand
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Speaker 1: your ground. And now a Florida man who we are
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Speaker 1: learning allegedly threatened three other people three different times before
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Speaker 1: shooting the man in his latest stand your ground case.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when will it end? I mean, see Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I can just tell you this much. Do not get
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Speaker 1: in an argument with anybody over a parking spot in
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Speaker 1: Florida because you can get gunned down dead and the
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Speaker 1: sheriff won't lift a finger. Guys, before I go any further,
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Speaker 1: I've got a special guest with me right now. It's
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Crump, my longtime friend. He worked on the Trayvon
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Speaker 1: Martin case. He is the lawyer behind the Benjamin Crump
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Speaker 1: Law firms across the country, the author of open Season,
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Speaker 1: legalized genocide of people of color, and he is part
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Speaker 1: of the Trayvon documentary on b Et Paramount. Benjamin, I
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Speaker 1: know you're rushing off to another court appearance, but I
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Speaker 1: just want you to tell me what is happening now.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in in in the twilight zone.
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Speaker 1: It really is unbelievable now said when you look at
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Speaker 1: the similarities between the tray By Martin case six years
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Speaker 1: ago and what is happening in clear Water, Florida with
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Speaker 1: Marquis mcglockton. But before I get to that, now, it's
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Speaker 1: the grace. I just want to say thank you on
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Speaker 1: behalf of Trayvon Martin's parents, Sabrina Fulton and Tracy Martin,
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Speaker 1: because you used your platform to really educate people about
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Speaker 1: what happened in the killing of their son. And I
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Speaker 1: will never forget that last interview after the verdict that
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Speaker 1: you did with his parents and especially Sabrina, the humanity
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Speaker 1: you show to this mother who had lost her child,
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Speaker 1: simply walking home from the store, mind of his own business.
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Speaker 1: So let me just say thank you for that first
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Speaker 1: and foremost. You know, Benjamin, even now, sometimes if I
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Speaker 1: let John David walk from here to there, I think
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Speaker 1: about Trayvon Martin because on David. Believe it or not, Benjamin,
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Speaker 1: you haven't seen a photo him a long time. He
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Speaker 1: is just ten years old. He's almost as tall as
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Speaker 1: Trayvon was right now, and I just think, I just think,
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Speaker 1: and I think about Trayvon's parents and what they went through.
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Speaker 1: But that's a whole another cannon worms. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: your compliment. What are we going to do about clearwater?
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Speaker 1: Marquis mcglocktin and his girlfriend, Brittany Jacobs had come home,
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Speaker 1: uh from her job. They were on their way home.
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Speaker 1: They had three uh little babies in the car with him,
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Speaker 1: death babies, five year old Marquis Jr. Three year old
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Speaker 1: Marley dead daughter, and four month old Marshane. Uh. They
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Speaker 1: stopped at this convenience start to get the kids some snacks. Uh.
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Speaker 1: As she's putting in, there's a truck in the parking lot,
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Speaker 1: so she just grabs the first uh space that she sees.
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Speaker 1: She says, they all is gonna be there for a minute.
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Speaker 1: Marquis Senior, Marquis Jr. Get out of the car. I
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Speaker 1: go into the convenience store. They're literally getting some snacks
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Speaker 1: for the kids and coming right back out. Uh this
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Speaker 1: wanna be caught. This separate part that wanta be called
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Speaker 1: Micael Drinker And you can see it all on the
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Speaker 1: video there. Say you don't have to take my word.
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Speaker 1: He comes out walking around the car at first, and
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Speaker 1: then you see him yelling in the car, impointing his
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Speaker 1: finger in the window. Now, imagine if you're a mother
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Speaker 1: with your two babies in the back seat and some
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Speaker 1: strange man just come up to you, yelling and cursing
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Speaker 1: the present at you, and uh, that's what happened to her.
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Speaker 1: Somebody goes into the convenienced and tells Marquis, somebody's uh,
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Speaker 1: I saw your family out of the car. He comes out,
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Speaker 1: and you see it all on video. He walks up,
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Speaker 1: he pushes him. A lot of men would have came
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Speaker 1: to try to defend their family. That's exactly what Marchis
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Speaker 1: was trying to do. If Staniel Grouse should apply to anybody,
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Speaker 1: should have been him. How Ever, you see him pushed
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Speaker 1: on the ground. Then you see this guy go to
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Speaker 1: his pocket put out a gun and he pulls out
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Speaker 1: the gun. And when he does that, now say Marquise
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Speaker 1: jumps back and takes four steps back. Brittany, she starts
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Speaker 1: retreating as well. There's a white gentleman who walks into
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Speaker 1: the video Fame. You can see it on the video.
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Speaker 1: He jumps back and starts retreating. Everybody is retreating. He
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Speaker 1: is not an intimate here of his life. But yet
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Speaker 1: after they are all retreating, he shoots Marquis and justifiably,
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Speaker 1: and you see on that video what happens next. He runs,
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Speaker 1: he stumbles back into the store. His five year old
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Speaker 1: son is right there and he is reaching out for
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Speaker 1: us father, and his father falls at his son's feet.
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Speaker 1: And that is the last time that five year old
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Speaker 1: boy whatever see his father alive or again. And you
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Speaker 1: can imagine all the counsel and these children are gonna need.
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Speaker 1: But the sheriff for Penellis County, with that video evidence
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Speaker 1: and not to mention the history of this want to
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Speaker 1: be cop of attacking people of color. He pulled a
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Speaker 1: gun on some Hispanic women when he had a role
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Speaker 1: rage incident that he provoked. He also pulled a gun
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Speaker 1: on another African American person in the same handicapped spot
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Speaker 1: because instead of calling the police, he took the law
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Speaker 1: to his own hands, but the sheriff would not arrest him.
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Speaker 1: He went home and slept in his own bed that night,
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Speaker 1: and it was only people saying this isn't right. This
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Speaker 1: in your groundlaw is a license to kill, especially if
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Speaker 1: you are not a person of color and you shoot
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Speaker 1: a person of color. We have to address this. We
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Speaker 1: can't be stilent about this because too many people are
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Speaker 1: dying unnecessarily. We don't have to solve our problems with violets.
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Speaker 1: We should solve our problems by talking to one another,
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Speaker 1: not put out a good and just shoot the person,
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Speaker 1: make sure they die, and then say I was standing
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Speaker 1: my ground. So that's what we're dealing with, Nancy, And
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Speaker 1: thank god the d A did charge him with uh
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Speaker 1: Man slaughter with me is Benjamin Crump, longtime friend and
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Speaker 1: associate Florida civil rights lawyer who was critical in the
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Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin case. You know what, Benjamin, even if the
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Speaker 1: guy's charged, even if he goes through the revolving door
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Speaker 1: and gets booked in fingerprint and makes a bond and
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Speaker 1: walks out. It doesn't mean anything to me. Look what
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Speaker 1: happened in Trayvon Martin. Look what's happened over and over
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Speaker 1: and over again. Just because somebody gets charged, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean a hell of beings. And look at Cosby. Look
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Speaker 1: at that guy, they said Gil and he's in his
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Speaker 1: fancy brownstone having a private chef made him lunch today.
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Speaker 1: So until the guy is sentenced and sent to jail,
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Speaker 1: it it don't mean a thing. Benjamin Crump, And I'm
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Speaker 1: just so sick about these children. Um, Benjamin, what about
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Speaker 1: the fact there is no way? Well, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I take that back. There's always a way. But under
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Speaker 1: the law, all of these prior similar transactions should come
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Speaker 1: before a jury. Have you noticed that he keeps picking
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Speaker 1: on women he's got You've got him picking on the
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Speaker 1: wife in the car with the babies, and this time
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Speaker 1: over a parking spot. Then you've got him picking on,
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Speaker 1: as you said, uh, the hispanic woman in a car.
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Speaker 1: It's always somebody that's sitting in a car seated and
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Speaker 1: he comes up, standing up, and we know he's got
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Speaker 1: a gun. Why does he even have a gun to
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Speaker 1: start with? And that is something that certainly want to
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Speaker 1: educate the public owner. I know the police officer in
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Speaker 1: the prior incident where he pulled the gun on the
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Speaker 1: young Hispanic women, he said he didn't put them it
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Speaker 1: on them, but yet he had the gun and the
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Speaker 1: seer console when the sheriff, I meant the police officer
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Speaker 1: came forward and pulled them over after they said, you know,
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Speaker 1: he just pulled a gun on us. And then he
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Speaker 1: told the police officer when he pulled them over, before
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Speaker 1: the police officer even told him why he was pulling
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Speaker 1: him over, he said, they're lying. I didn't put a
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Speaker 1: gun on them. And so the police officer said, what
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Speaker 1: if you didn't put a gun on them, why do
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Speaker 1: you know why I'm putting you over? And so it
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Speaker 1: was almost he told over himself and then the police
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Speaker 1: report as clear as day. The police said, admiss, I
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Speaker 1: do not believe you. I believe that you did. I
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Speaker 1: sought these young women for nothing more that you than
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Speaker 1: you said they were going too sl oh in a
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Speaker 1: school zone. He blew his horn a thing. It was
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Speaker 1: they were going fifteen and this is the kind of
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Speaker 1: thing he has been doing in the past. Then when
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Speaker 1: you know what I always say, ben when you don't
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Speaker 1: know a horse, look at his track record. Didn't pull
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Speaker 1: a gun my rear in. He always pulled a gun
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Speaker 1: over and over and over in the past. A Hispanic lady,
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Speaker 1: an African American lady. It goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: Why should I believe now he's suddenly turning around and
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Speaker 1: running back to the gate. I don't believe it, Benjamin Crump,
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Speaker 1: join us again when you can. As this case unfolds,
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Speaker 1: listen to this, still in shocked. How this white man,
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Speaker 1: this stranger came up to my car and harassed me
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Speaker 1: and my babies. He just he always hanging out here,
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Speaker 1: like to see if there's any broughteno with or something,
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Speaker 1: just to just to start broughten with somebody. It's not
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Speaker 1: that he's not normal. That was the store clerk inside
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Speaker 1: the seven eleven where this only stopped just for a
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Speaker 1: quick in and out and ends up the dad dead
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Speaker 1: in the parking lot, over parking spot. And now the
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Speaker 1: defense stand your ground has reared its head. We've seen
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Speaker 1: it many times before. I mean, you see, Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thank you for being with us with us.
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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, police vet, former SPU. Detective, author of Outside
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Speaker 1: Your Door. Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, renowned defense lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Robin Figured, Chuck Roberts Crime Stories investigative reporter and Atlanta
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Speaker 1: felony prosecutor Kenya Johnson Straight to you, Chuck Roberts, Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot Com reporter. Let's let's just back it up
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Speaker 1: for a moment. Let's start at the beginning. We just
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Speaker 1: heard the store clerk with our friends at w f
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Speaker 1: l A describing that this guy hangs around there all
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Speaker 1: the time in a weird way. You know, Chuck, I
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Speaker 1: remember working at UM, I worked in a law firm,
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Speaker 1: I worked somewhere else, and I'll stor into the sandwich
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Speaker 1: shop to get myself to law school. And there were
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Speaker 1: regulars that always came to the sandwich shop, and I
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Speaker 1: would know them at a distance. This guy hung around,
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Speaker 1: not just to get a sandwich number four and leave,
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Speaker 1: but did just hang around? Chuck, start at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy and how did
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Speaker 1: that fateful day unfold? Well, you mentioned the earlier road
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Speaker 1: rage incidents in which he pulled his weapon out of
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Speaker 1: frustration and not fear. But three months ago, um Draka
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Speaker 1: was in a fight with another customer at the very
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Speaker 1: same convenience store. Richard Kelly, a truck driver stopped by,
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Speaker 1: parked in that same handicapped spot, and according to Kelly,
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Speaker 1: Draco walked around the truck checking for decals and then
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Speaker 1: confronted Kelly about why he parked there. The fight quickly
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Speaker 1: escalated and Draca threatened to shoot him, according to Kelly,
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Speaker 1: and Draca then, according to police, called the truck owner
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Speaker 1: a a cut rate septic tank. Spoke to the owner,
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Speaker 1: John Tyler, and said he was quote lucky he didn't
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Speaker 1: blow his employees head off. This is according to documents
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Speaker 1: file with Pinella's County Court. Listen to this with our
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Speaker 1: friends at w f l A. This isn't the first
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Speaker 1: time Draco has picked a fight over the parking spot.
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Speaker 1: Richard Kelly parked in at once and says it set
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Speaker 1: him off. He was basicate me to shoot me. That well,
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Speaker 1: investigators go through all the evidence, those who saw what
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Speaker 1: happened have many questions this murder. He murdered someone, he
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Speaker 1: took someone family member. There. Ahead, kids, okay, go back
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Speaker 1: to what happened the day of the shooting. Let's just
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Speaker 1: start with that day, Okay, So the families together take
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Speaker 1: it from there. Uh Marquis mcglocktin, father of three eight
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Speaker 1: years old, pulls into the circle a food store on
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Speaker 1: Sunset Point Road, goes in with his five year old son,
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Speaker 1: at which point UH Michael Drake at eight year old,
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Speaker 1: comes up to his girlfriend, that is mcglockton's girlfriend and
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Speaker 1: confronts her about parking in a handicap spot. That also
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Speaker 1: escalates and becomes loud enough that some other customer comes
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Speaker 1: in and tells Marquise mcglockton that someone is threatening his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend and his family, so he runs outside and quickly
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Speaker 1: shoves Draka to the ground forcefully. At The video shows
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Speaker 1: that at that point there's about a four second pause
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Speaker 1: and Draca pulls a weapon. It appears that Buglockton is
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Speaker 1: backing away and Draca fires one round in mcglockton's chest.
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Speaker 1: He stumbles around. His five year old boy is right
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Speaker 1: there with him, screams. Apparently the the girlfriend gets out
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Speaker 1: tries to apply pressure, but there's there's no hope for mcglockton.
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Speaker 1: He's dead within an hour. And this is a standard
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Speaker 1: ground case that the sheriff initially decided would not be prosecuted,
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Speaker 1: but later obviously it was overruled by the district attorney
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Speaker 1: who said it's manslaughter. Well, I'm also confused about why
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Speaker 1: it's charged with manslaughter, because let me go to Kenya Johnson,
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Speaker 1: Felony prosecutor. Kenya, when you're working with a grand jury,
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Speaker 1: as I did, and as I'm sure you have done,
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Speaker 1: you charge with the highest charge it could possibly be,
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Speaker 1: and then all the other lessers, so you can give
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Speaker 1: the jury the alternatives that they may need when they
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Speaker 1: determine the case. And if you don't charge with murder one,
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Speaker 1: which this case could easily be determined to be murder one,
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Speaker 1: that's off the boards that they can't. They can't bring
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Speaker 1: back a verdict going up. They can only bring back
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Speaker 1: a verdict with what's charged or lesser. How do you
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Speaker 1: see this case, Kenya ipee? The fact that the grand
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Speaker 1: jury did not charge murder one as they've even realized
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Speaker 1: or thought that this gentleman or the suspect didn't have
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Speaker 1: any intense that it wasn't a premeditated murder. So that's okay,
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Speaker 1: But then there's also involuntary manslaughter. There's your heat of passion,
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Speaker 1: and then there's your voluntary manslaughter where you commit an
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Speaker 1: act and you meet, but you didn't mean to bring
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Speaker 1: about the death. So that's where we're looking at. The
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Speaker 1: grand jury is speaking and saying that they don't believe
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Speaker 1: McGlaughlin had intense to kill him at the moment that
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Speaker 1: they encountered. However, he set about a course of actions
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Speaker 1: that resulted in McGlaughlin's death. So that's where the manslaughter
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Speaker 1: comes from. But it does put you say that, at
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Speaker 1: a disadvantage because there only leaves the jury to decide
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Speaker 1: the lesser charge of manslaughter or something not even related
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Speaker 1: to murders, such as aggravated assault. So it does handicap
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Speaker 1: the state in their prosecution, but it sends a message
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Speaker 1: that even the grand jury didn't think that there was
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Speaker 1: any intense in his action. So the laws this, uh,
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Speaker 1: the jury can come back on this charge voluntary or
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Speaker 1: any lesser included defense such as involuntary or aggravated assault.
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Speaker 1: But here's the deal. Self defense goes like this. Let
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Speaker 1: me go to Robin Ficker. Robin, isn't it true? Self
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Speaker 1: defense goes like this. You can come up and slap me,
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Speaker 1: and under the law, I have the right to exert
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Speaker 1: equal amount of force to defend myself. I can slap
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Speaker 1: you back, but I can't when you slap me. I
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Speaker 1: can't pull out an oozy and gun you down unless
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Speaker 1: I really believe you're about to kill me. Would you
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Speaker 1: agree with that, Robin Ficker? Well, yeah, I agree with that, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This case has nothing to do with civil rights. This
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Speaker 1: case involves Mr McLaughlin coming out of the store, and
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Speaker 1: essentially it reminds me of a knockout case where he
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Speaker 1: just ran up to this gentleman and didn't push him,
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Speaker 1: didn't show them. He knocked him down, then stepped forward
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Speaker 1: towards him. He also reached into his waispend. It all
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Speaker 1: happened within micro seconds, and I'm really not surprised he
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Speaker 1: got shot. If he went If I went outside the
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Speaker 1: courthouse and did this to ten people and knocked down
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Speaker 1: ten people as he did with that amount of force,
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Speaker 1: I would get shot by at least one of them.
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Speaker 1: This is clearly self defense. As for the hold your
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Speaker 1: standard ground, twenty seven states have that, and here he's
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Speaker 1: on the ground. He can't go anywhere. He's fearful of
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Speaker 1: this great, big thug standing over him about to beat
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Speaker 1: the crap out of him, even worse than he was
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Speaker 1: hit before, So I don't see how well I would
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Speaker 1: argue with you on that figure about who's the thug?
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Speaker 1: And you very conveniently, I mean, if I was charged
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Speaker 1: with murder, I definitely hire you, Robin. But you very
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Speaker 1: conveniently left out the entire first part of the scenario,
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Speaker 1: and that is defense of others. A man looks out
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Speaker 1: the seven eleven window and says an another man with
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Speaker 1: a gun berating his wife and children cowering in the car.
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Speaker 1: Don't right, he's gonna come out and punch the guy.
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Speaker 1: You don't right? He is? What can man would he
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Speaker 1: be if he didn't come out and do something? He
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Speaker 1: didn't He didn't see any gun. How do you know
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Speaker 1: that conversation? Conversation? Mr McLaughlin should have gotten in his
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Speaker 1: near father. He was a wrapper, he loved the staying,
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Speaker 1: he loved to draw. He was definitely his kids. And
21:55
Speaker 1: he didn't have to go late. This man, he didn't
21:57
Speaker 1: have to go late this you're hearing. Brittany Jacobs um
22:06
Speaker 1: the wife of the dead man, the mother of his
22:10
Speaker 1: three children. She was at a seven eleven when with
22:15
Speaker 1: her children in the car when the purp accosted her
22:19
Speaker 1: or came up yelling at her, arguing with her about
22:21
Speaker 1: being in a handicapped spot. True they were not handicapped,
22:26
Speaker 1: but really did he deserve the death penalty? Then other
22:30
Speaker 1: people tell the guy in the seven eleven, hey, the
22:34
Speaker 1: man is screaming at your wife. He comes out, pushes
22:37
Speaker 1: the guy away from the car, and the guy shoots
22:40
Speaker 1: him dead. That that's the scenario as I understand it.
22:44
Speaker 1: Take a listen to the Penellas County Sheriff Bob Terry
22:48
Speaker 1: explaining why he did not charge the shooter, Michael Jacob.
22:53
Speaker 1: The facts of this case can lead reasonable people to
22:56
Speaker 1: different determinations. The law says, don't arrest in this situation
23:01
Speaker 1: and let the state attorney to figure it out. As
23:03
Speaker 1: far as my decision not to arrest, the drake of
23:05
Speaker 1: my decision is based on the requirements of for the
23:08
Speaker 1: standard ground law. It is a preliminary decision about arrest
23:12
Speaker 1: and not a final decision about charges. Again, I make
23:16
Speaker 1: decisions about an arrest and the state attorney makes decisions
23:19
Speaker 1: about charges. That's our system. If charges are filed, then
23:23
Speaker 1: a judge decide whether to dismiss the case, and if not,
23:25
Speaker 1: a jury decides guilt, followed by an appellate court deciding
23:28
Speaker 1: if the prior decisions were right or wrong. My decision
23:31
Speaker 1: not to arrest is because Florida law creates a situation
23:35
Speaker 1: where someone is immune from arrest if their conduct is
23:39
Speaker 1: arguably within the parameters of standard round. This is not
23:44
Speaker 1: a defense to be merely asserted at trial or after
23:47
Speaker 1: commencement of criminal proceedings. This is an immunity from arrest.
23:52
Speaker 1: A person who uses or threatens to use force as
23:56
Speaker 1: permitted under the law is justified in such conduct in
24:00
Speaker 1: immune from criminal prosecution. In that section of the statute
24:04
Speaker 1: goes on to define from criminal prosecution is including arrest
24:10
Speaker 1: or detaining somebody in custody and some the law has
24:14
Speaker 1: taken away law enforcement discretion to arrest unless there is
24:19
Speaker 1: no stand your ground as a matter of law. We're
24:22
Speaker 1: talking about the most recent standard ground shooting as they
24:26
Speaker 1: are called in Florida. Why are they all coming out
24:29
Speaker 1: of Florida? Number one? There are some others peppered across
24:33
Speaker 1: the country, but mostly we're hearing from them out of
24:35
Speaker 1: Florida and joining me from Florida. Dr Daniel Bobert, forensic psychiatrist.
24:41
Speaker 1: Dr bober Boy, do we need a shrink um question
24:45
Speaker 1: to you? This whole thing started ostensibly at first glance
24:50
Speaker 1: over the victims wife and children in a handicap parking spot.
24:56
Speaker 1: They were not handicap. But what we know is the
24:59
Speaker 1: shooter hung around in a weird way all the time.
25:02
Speaker 1: And that's seven eleven and I call it seven eleven generically, uh,
25:06
Speaker 1: like copies or xeroxes. But um, he hung around there
25:10
Speaker 1: all the time, and he had argued with other people
25:13
Speaker 1: about parking in the handicapped spot, and we know he
25:16
Speaker 1: had pulled a gun on other people, particularly women, in
25:20
Speaker 1: traffic scenarios. That that's really where the case starts is
25:25
Speaker 1: his background. That's how this starts, his pattern, his m O,
25:30
Speaker 1: his modus operandi, his method of operation. That's where it
25:35
Speaker 1: really starts. But let's let's start with that day. What
25:40
Speaker 1: is it, Dr Bober? Why do people think they have
25:43
Speaker 1: to get so indignant and angry over a parking spot
25:47
Speaker 1: or a driving issue like the two women going too
25:50
Speaker 1: slowly in a school zone. I nearly go out of
25:53
Speaker 1: my gourd when I because I'm anxious and impatient that
25:57
Speaker 1: those are my two of my really big bolts. And
26:00
Speaker 1: I know that, and when I get behind the slow poke,
26:03
Speaker 1: I can nearly jump out of my skin. But I
26:06
Speaker 1: now know a don't shoot a bird, okay, because I
26:10
Speaker 1: don't want the children to sheep birds and be don't
26:14
Speaker 1: blow the horn or they will shoot you. Okay. I've
26:16
Speaker 1: learned that, okay, the hard way by by covering these cases.
26:21
Speaker 1: But what is it? Then? There are times when I'm
26:23
Speaker 1: looking up directions and I find myself going ten miles
26:26
Speaker 1: an hour and somebody behind me very kindly not blowing
26:29
Speaker 1: the horn. My question is, why do people get so
26:33
Speaker 1: angry they want to start a fist fight or confront
26:37
Speaker 1: a lady with her children in the car. What is
26:40
Speaker 1: it about the road that drives people insane? You know,
26:44
Speaker 1: Nancy Uh, This guy, just like George Zimmerman, Uh, is
26:49
Speaker 1: a guy who's a weak and adequate person who seeks
26:52
Speaker 1: out confrontation because he doesn't feel strong enough about himself.
26:56
Speaker 1: You know, we have these standard ground laws. We think
26:59
Speaker 1: they make us say for but they actually don't. A
27:01
Speaker 1: study in the Journal of the American Medical Association showed
27:04
Speaker 1: that in Florida, when they passed the Standiard ground law,
27:07
Speaker 1: there was a thirty increase in firearm related homicides in
27:12
Speaker 1: the state of Florida, while in the country, in states
27:15
Speaker 1: that didn't have standard ground laws, the homicide rate remained
27:19
Speaker 1: flat didn't change. So there's a huge public health issue
27:23
Speaker 1: here with these standard ground laws, and they're not making
27:26
Speaker 1: us safer. They're just making us feel safer. But it's
27:28
Speaker 1: an illusion. What about this. About three months ago, a
27:32
Speaker 1: guy named Richard Kelly tells Panella's County Sheriffs that he
27:39
Speaker 1: was approached by the same guy, Draco, at the Circle
27:43
Speaker 1: A food store, same place, the same store where he
27:48
Speaker 1: guns down Mclockton. And according to this witness, Richard Kelly,
27:53
Speaker 1: three months ago, Draco was mad at him because he
27:56
Speaker 1: partnered in a handicap spot. Look. I get mad at
27:58
Speaker 1: handicap fakers too, because my brother in law is handicap.
28:03
Speaker 1: He's paralyzed. And you should see what my sister for
28:07
Speaker 1: the last decades goes through trying to physically get him
28:12
Speaker 1: out of the car. Uh, get him situated, get him
28:16
Speaker 1: into a store or wherever they're going. And you passed
28:20
Speaker 1: by the handicaped spots, they're awful. And there is my sister.
28:24
Speaker 1: She was the sweet, smart one, by the way, pushing
28:29
Speaker 1: my brother in law, who we adore, all the way
28:32
Speaker 1: from the back parking spot into the store because somebody
28:37
Speaker 1: mooched faked a handicap spot. You know how mad that
28:41
Speaker 1: makes me when I think of my sister going through that.
28:44
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. But am I going to
28:46
Speaker 1: pull out a gun? Uh? No? So three months ago
28:50
Speaker 1: he confronts another guy, and this is the important part.
28:53
Speaker 1: Dr Bober and listen to this, Kenya and Dr Daniel
28:56
Speaker 1: Bober and Robin Ficker, listen to this. Three months ago,
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Speaker 1: he gets in the fight, same store, about the same
29:03
Speaker 1: handicap spot, and he starts a loud fight and he
29:08
Speaker 1: tells Kelly he's gonna shoot him. So here we go.
29:14
Speaker 1: He just did it three months ago, and I can
29:16
Speaker 1: name two other instances where he pulls or threatens to
29:19
Speaker 1: pull a gun, Doctor Bober over parking or driving. Help me,
29:24
Speaker 1: Daniel Nancy. This guy is just again someone who is
29:27
Speaker 1: looking for confrontation. He would think he would have better
29:30
Speaker 1: things to do besides sitting outside a convenience store and
29:34
Speaker 1: looking for a fight finding a way to use his firearm.
29:38
Speaker 1: But that's the problem. That's the issue. This individual has
29:41
Speaker 1: some sort of personality disorder where he seeks out these situations.
29:45
Speaker 1: Not only this, we learn to Robin Ficker, a defense
29:49
Speaker 1: lawyer joining us out of the Maryland jurisdiction. Court documents
29:54
Speaker 1: say Draco wanted to complain to Kelly's employer, and this
29:58
Speaker 1: is the last guy threatened about a gun him. So
30:01
Speaker 1: he spoke to the owner and told the business he
30:05
Speaker 1: was lucky he didn't blow his employees head off. That's
30:09
Speaker 1: what Chuck Roberts was telling us earlier. What about that?
30:12
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a track record, Robin Vicker, of
30:16
Speaker 1: getting mad at people over parking spots and driving minor
30:19
Speaker 1: minor infractions when he was mac as a woman was
30:22
Speaker 1: going too slowly and threatening to shoot them or pulling
30:25
Speaker 1: a gun. Robin, what's your defense to that. He's got
30:29
Speaker 1: a history of chit chat with people about minor infractions.
30:34
Speaker 1: But here we have an intervention of an extremely rough
30:39
Speaker 1: and vicious attack physically by Mr McLaughlin. That's where he
30:45
Speaker 1: stepped over the line and was gental giant. He was
30:49
Speaker 1: a man above all men. I raised him to be
30:52
Speaker 1: a man, and unfortunately it cost him his life. We
30:56
Speaker 1: need to put it into this any kind of load
30:58
Speaker 1: that allows one man and to kill another man, and
31:02
Speaker 1: the man that pulled the trigger. It don't even get fingerprinted,
31:06
Speaker 1: needs to needs to son needs to be done. You're
31:08
Speaker 1: hearing the father of the victim now responding to his
31:12
Speaker 1: son gunned down in a parking lot over a handicap
31:15
Speaker 1: parking spot with US Benjamin Crump, Florida civil rights lawyer,
31:19
Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, Police Vet Dr. Daniel Bober Robin Ficker, renowned
31:24
Speaker 1: defense attorney out of Maryland, Chuck Robert's Crime online dot
31:27
Speaker 1: com investigative reporter, and Atlanta felony prosecutor Kenya Johnson. Stephen Lampley,
31:34
Speaker 1: police vet, former s VU detective, author of Outside Your Door. Stephen,
31:39
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to what the
31:41
Speaker 1: sheriff said. Listen to arrest, it must be so clear
31:45
Speaker 1: that as a matter of law, standard ground does not
31:48
Speaker 1: apply in any way to the facts and circumstances that
31:53
Speaker 1: you're presented with. That is not the situation here. The
31:56
Speaker 1: facts are not so clear that this is absolutely out
32:00
Speaker 1: side the boundaries of standier ground. So in order for
32:03
Speaker 1: me to arrest it has to be, as a matter
32:06
Speaker 1: of law, outside the boundaries of stand your ground. All
32:09
Speaker 1: Drake it has to do is wave the flag of
32:11
Speaker 1: standier ground. He has no burden whatsoever. Then the state
32:14
Speaker 1: attorney has a heavy burden of disproving his entitlement to
32:17
Speaker 1: stand your ground. So when you put all of that together,
32:20
Speaker 1: is that at this stage of the proceedings, I'm following
32:23
Speaker 1: the law and doing what the legislature is said not
32:26
Speaker 1: to do, and don't have this citizen who claims that
32:29
Speaker 1: he was acting to self defense, sitting in jail while
32:31
Speaker 1: people are figuring it out, and once they figure it out,
32:35
Speaker 1: the state attorney, I know, and I'm very confident, will
32:37
Speaker 1: make what is the right decision under the law, and
32:39
Speaker 1: then it will go from there to Stephen Lampley police
32:42
Speaker 1: that and author of outside your Door. I want to
32:46
Speaker 1: hear the cops perspective on this. I don't like, uh
32:50
Speaker 1: wail and on the police, but I want the right
32:53
Speaker 1: thing done. And I hear the sheriff explaining why you're
32:58
Speaker 1: not made the arrest yet, But I want to hear
33:01
Speaker 1: your point of east Stephen Well answer that this situation
33:04
Speaker 1: is there's there's a lot that happened in this situation,
33:07
Speaker 1: and it happened on both sides. Now that the sheriff, Uh,
33:11
Speaker 1: of course I wasn't there. None of us were there.
33:14
Speaker 1: The sheriff, I'm assuming, acting in what the information he had.
33:17
Speaker 1: And uh, even with McCabe, I think we think it
33:21
Speaker 1: was the state attorney. It took them nine days to
33:26
Speaker 1: decide whether to uh in trying to get an indictment
33:31
Speaker 1: on on the gentleman and Draka. So there's a lot
33:35
Speaker 1: that happened in this situation that a lot that the
33:37
Speaker 1: sheriff had to look at it. And I'm not trying
33:39
Speaker 1: to second guess him or the words of his mouth,
33:42
Speaker 1: but you had a situation where you've got this uh
33:45
Speaker 1: self declared parking lot, UH patrol patrol person who is
33:50
Speaker 1: being that that he's the guru of all things parking, uh,
33:55
Speaker 1: trying to uh do whatever he needed to do to
33:58
Speaker 1: prove his point that she was in the handicapped parking
34:01
Speaker 1: spot and maybe she didn't need to be. Uh. That
34:03
Speaker 1: was not his duty, that was not his job. He
34:06
Speaker 1: was wrong in that case. Uh. Marquis. Of course, I understand,
34:09
Speaker 1: and I get the fact that he heard uh what
34:12
Speaker 1: was going on and come out and defended his family.
34:14
Speaker 1: He has a right, of course to defend them. But
34:16
Speaker 1: he exerted the first physical contact. Uh. And again I
34:20
Speaker 1: don't I did see him take a couple of steps
34:23
Speaker 1: forward in the video, but then I did not see
34:26
Speaker 1: any actually overt act that led me personally to believe
34:31
Speaker 1: there was any other physical threat coming from from Hooton. However,
34:36
Speaker 1: I don't know what what what the police would call
34:38
Speaker 1: inciting words. There was no audio, and I don't know
34:41
Speaker 1: what transpired between the two Uh, there was any threats
34:45
Speaker 1: made that where Drake Fup felt maybe he was in
34:48
Speaker 1: him and the danger even though there was no physical that.
34:50
Speaker 1: There's a lot there, man too, There's a whole lot there. Uh.
34:54
Speaker 1: I don't want to second guest any party. As police officer,
34:57
Speaker 1: former police officer, I try to stay in the dutual
34:59
Speaker 1: of the whole situation. There was just so much in
35:01
Speaker 1: this case, uh to a book here, and I think
35:05
Speaker 1: that's actually why it took them, you know, the nine
35:07
Speaker 1: days to actually decide if they were going to indicton On.
35:09
Speaker 1: I want to analyze what's happening Kenya Johnson, felony prosecutor, Kenya.
35:15
Speaker 1: I hear what Stephen saying, I hear what the sheriff
35:17
Speaker 1: is saying. Here's my analysis. Again, I don't want to
35:23
Speaker 1: boil it down so simply that it doesn't hit all
35:27
Speaker 1: the legal points. But again, when you don't know a horse,
35:30
Speaker 1: look at his track record. I've told you about um
35:35
Speaker 1: him coming down on threatening to shoot Richard Kelly, who
35:40
Speaker 1: told that to Panella's County Sheriff's. Then you heard earlier
35:44
Speaker 1: our friend Ben Crump describing a December two thousand twelve
35:48
Speaker 1: incident a woman told Largo police a man driving a
35:52
Speaker 1: black Toyota truck Draca pointed a gun at her and
35:56
Speaker 1: the other people in her vehicle. She pointed the truck
36:00
Speaker 1: out the truck to the cops. The cop goes and
36:03
Speaker 1: speaks to Draca. He tells the officer the one was
36:07
Speaker 1: driving too slow in the school's zone. I didn't even
36:09
Speaker 1: know that was possible. He denied pointing the gun, but
36:13
Speaker 1: he had the gun, and um there are other police
36:18
Speaker 1: reports where he sits on the horn at people uh
36:21
Speaker 1: in the other car, claiming other people shoot birds at
36:26
Speaker 1: him and make rude hand gestures at him. But I
36:29
Speaker 1: didn't tell you this. One January ten, two thousand twelve,
36:33
Speaker 1: and eighteen year old Tyler Smith was driving with somebody
36:37
Speaker 1: else in front of the car at a traffic light.
36:39
Speaker 1: It turned, the light turned yellow. Smith, the boy, eighteen
36:44
Speaker 1: year old, did not drive through the yellow light, and
36:46
Speaker 1: he stopped his vehicle. Draca, in his truck, was behind him,
36:51
Speaker 1: sat on his horn and started yelling, holding a black
36:56
Speaker 1: handgun out the driver's side window of his vehicle, ordering
37:02
Speaker 1: the boy Smith to walk back to his truck. That
37:06
Speaker 1: would be a cold d a in h double l
37:08
Speaker 1: Before I get out of the car and walk back
37:09
Speaker 1: to a guy with a gun. He then followed the
37:12
Speaker 1: teen boys car, passed it, and then slammed on the
37:17
Speaker 1: brakes in front of him. Kenya, I mean really that
37:22
Speaker 1: history is certainly gonna play a part at the trial
37:24
Speaker 1: to negate the standard ground defense. But let's look at
37:27
Speaker 1: standard ground. First of all, it's predicated on the fact
37:30
Speaker 1: of seriously or deadly bodily injury. So we are putting
37:35
Speaker 1: that standard that analysis in the hands of citizens that
37:39
Speaker 1: may not understand what deadly force is. You can't bring
37:42
Speaker 1: a gun to a fist fight. We live in a
37:45
Speaker 1: society that is teaching our children that we saw dispute
37:48
Speaker 1: using firearms. So what's gonna happen now is that the
37:51
Speaker 1: jury is going to get a chance to hopefully have
37:53
Speaker 1: a chance to hear about this pattern of aggressive behavior.
37:57
Speaker 1: In addition, McLaughlin, initially it is the entire matter. So
38:02
Speaker 1: what happens and the jury will see what happens when
38:04
Speaker 1: someone creates this situation out of their own volition. This
38:08
Speaker 1: wasn't what happenstance. He was aggressively pursuing this argument over
38:13
Speaker 1: this handicap spot. And lastly, when the gun came out,
38:17
Speaker 1: everyone retreated, So stand your ground also had to look
38:20
Speaker 1: at whether the fact that the danger had ended when
38:24
Speaker 1: the when the victims stepped back and everyone else around
38:27
Speaker 1: step back, Well, then was the threat of deadly forced
38:30
Speaker 1: still there? So was McLaughlin then authorized to use that
38:34
Speaker 1: deadly force when everyone is trying to get away or
38:37
Speaker 1: step back and run. So all those three things are
38:39
Speaker 1: gonna play into this defense of stand your ground, and
38:43
Speaker 1: hopefully the jury will be able to see right through
38:45
Speaker 1: Robin Ficker based on what Kenya saying once again when
38:49
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the team boy once again, when cops
38:53
Speaker 1: confront him, Draka says it was the teen's fault and
38:57
Speaker 1: he did not follow the chain's car, nor did he
39:01
Speaker 1: show his gun, but again he admitted he had one.
39:04
Speaker 1: I mean, same thing with yelling at the Hispanic women
39:09
Speaker 1: when the cop tells him to roll down the wind
39:10
Speaker 1: and goes, I didn't put my gun, and they're like,
39:13
Speaker 1: we didn't say that, you did me thinks thou doth
39:16
Speaker 1: protest too much? H and the words of Shakespeare. So
39:19
Speaker 1: what about that figure every time saying scenario every time,
39:23
Speaker 1: same defense. Well, he wasn't convicted of any crime in
39:27
Speaker 1: any one of those instances. I'm sure if he had
39:30
Speaker 1: been he would no longer be licensed to carry a gun,
39:34
Speaker 1: as he was still licensed in the McLaughlin situation, they
39:38
Speaker 1: would have taken the gun away from him. So these
39:40
Speaker 1: are were a lot of unproven hindsight review reviewed that
39:47
Speaker 1: I give very little credibility and the jury isn't going
39:51
Speaker 1: to find this guy guilty of playing three three different
39:57
Speaker 1: people separated by time and space, is all come up
40:00
Speaker 1: with the same story on Draca and now a guy's
40:04
Speaker 1: dead in a parking spot. Guys, before I go any further,
40:09
Speaker 1: we're taking your calls. Nine nine nine crime nine zero
40:14
Speaker 1: nine four nine two seven four six three on the
40:16
Speaker 1: phone from Florida, is Joe, Joe, this is your neck
40:21
Speaker 1: of the woods. What's your tip question or theory? Yes,
40:25
Speaker 1: well it's a coming first. Uh, you're right when you
40:28
Speaker 1: say there's so much craziness happens in the state of Florida,
40:32
Speaker 1: and particularly in Miami, where I lived for many years.
40:35
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a crazy, crazy state. And the Stanley
40:39
Speaker 1: Stanley ground law should be voted down because it is
40:44
Speaker 1: absolutely taken advantage of by anyone who wants to shoot
40:48
Speaker 1: someone and not pay a penalty. The point is, yesterday
40:52
Speaker 1: I saw two big men on a sidewalk arguing. One
40:57
Speaker 1: punches the other. The guy falls into the gutter, and
41:00
Speaker 1: immediately he pulls out the gun and he shoots the
41:04
Speaker 1: guy who's still standing on the sidewalk. His life wasn't endangered.
41:08
Speaker 1: The whole thing has been over with. I don't understand that.
41:11
Speaker 1: You well, you know it goes back, Joe to the
41:15
Speaker 1: theory of self defense. You have an absolute right to
41:19
Speaker 1: defend yourself. But again, Joe, if you come up and
41:22
Speaker 1: slap me or push me, I do not have the
41:26
Speaker 1: right to pull out my oozy and shoot you dead
41:30
Speaker 1: unless I feel that you are again advancing on me
41:36
Speaker 1: and I have fear that you're going to kill me. Now,
41:40
Speaker 1: that justifies deadly self defense. And I've looked at this
41:46
Speaker 1: video over and over again. You see the victim coming out.
41:52
Speaker 1: He walks, not runs. He walks up to the guy
41:57
Speaker 1: and you can see to the to the left his
42:01
Speaker 1: wife is now standing up. I guess that's his wife.
42:05
Speaker 1: He comes between his wife and the shooter and he
42:09
Speaker 1: pushes the shooter down and then he steps back. Then
42:14
Speaker 1: the guy pulls a gun and shoots him dead, just
42:18
Speaker 1: like that that's what happened, Joe. I mean, what you've
42:24
Speaker 1: looked at the video? What what do you think? I
42:27
Speaker 1: realized that there's no threat to the guy's life who's
42:32
Speaker 1: pulling the gun and shooting the other one because he
42:35
Speaker 1: was offended by what he said or did. Getting punched
42:38
Speaker 1: into the sidewalk into the gutter is not enough, uh
42:43
Speaker 1: excuse to start shooting at the guy who pushed him
42:47
Speaker 1: in the sidewalk. Little little spatch and little fights breakout
42:50
Speaker 1: all the time, and if someone has to has to
42:54
Speaker 1: end up being dead because some guys, Oh right, I meant,
42:58
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Joe. I just I just saw it again.
43:02
Speaker 1: I just saw him shoot the guy again. I mean,
43:06
Speaker 1: you know, you'd think after all these years prosecuting and
43:09
Speaker 1: covering these cases, I'd be immune to it. I just
43:13
Speaker 1: saw it again. And the guy I don't want I
43:17
Speaker 1: hate to repeat myself, but Chuck Roberts, the victim comes
43:21
Speaker 1: out of the store. You can see the shooter pointing
43:25
Speaker 1: his finger at the woman, you know, yelling at her,
43:29
Speaker 1: yelling as she's standing there. You see the husband come
43:32
Speaker 1: out of the store. He walks up, he gets between them,
43:36
Speaker 1: and he pushes the guy back and the guy falls
43:38
Speaker 1: down on his rear end. Then he takes out a
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Speaker 1: gun and shoots the man. Dad, Chuck, I mean, am
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Speaker 1: I missing something? Not at all? And the complaint itself
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Speaker 1: filed by a district attorney Bernie McCabe, said that the
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Speaker 1: findings of an autopsy were consistent with the video footage
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Speaker 1: in which mcglockton appeared to be turning a from Draca
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Speaker 1: when he was shot. I don't know how an autopsy
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Speaker 1: can determine that, but that's in the complaints. Can tell
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Speaker 1: from the angle of the trajectory path, I mean, Dr Boberg,
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Speaker 1: you're the forensic psychiatrist. It's it's very A lot of times,
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Speaker 1: it's very easy to tell from the path the bullet takes.
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Speaker 1: If it's it's angled. You can tell the guys turning
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Speaker 1: away at the time of the shooting. This is gonna
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Speaker 1: be downward to upward. That's how that goes down exact. Yea,
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Speaker 1: and the shooter Jackie is pointing out to me, is
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Speaker 1: still on the ground. So that's where we get the
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Speaker 1: angular path from an elevated position. So Chuck Roberts go ahead. Well.
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Speaker 1: The complaint also says that they used a three D
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Speaker 1: scanner on the crime scene video and showed that the
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Speaker 1: distance between Drake and McLaughlin was about twelve feet. I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure whether that's uh, you know, crucial uh in
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Speaker 1: the investigation. But Dreaka faces three years in prison. It
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Speaker 1: is not clear at this point whether he has an attorney. Well,
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't have attorney, an attorney, he'll have one
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Speaker 1: appointed to him. To Stephen Lampley Um Stephen as a
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Speaker 1: police veteran, former s VU detective, author of Outside Your
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Speaker 1: Door stories and cases in his police career, including his
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Speaker 1: arrest of the Clearmont killer. That was no easy thing,
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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley. The more I look at this video, at first,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, the victim pushed the guy. Is
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Speaker 1: that going to be construed as self defense? I look
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Speaker 1: at it. He comes, the victim comes right between walks up.
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Speaker 1: It's not like running like a mad dog. He walks
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Speaker 1: up out of the store. You can see another patron
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Speaker 1: running the store and say something. Then you see him
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Speaker 1: come out. He walks between the two, his wife and
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Speaker 1: the victor, the shooter, and he pushes him. He falls
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Speaker 1: on his rear end immediately pulls a gun and shoots
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Speaker 1: him dead. I'm just telling his Steve, and that just
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Speaker 1: just does not look like self defense, justifying mortal a
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Speaker 1: mortal wound. And see you're you're correct there. And I
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Speaker 1: watched the video over and over and over and over.
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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, and uh, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: he's on the ground. He doesn't know what's going to
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Speaker 1: happen next. Although the mcglocktin pushes him down, it was
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Speaker 1: a pretty violent push, pushes him down to the ground
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Speaker 1: and and does take like a little lean into it,
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Speaker 1: but he backs up eventually. I did not, as as
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Speaker 1: nobody else to say, I did not see any additional
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Speaker 1: physical threat beyond that point. And then when he pulls
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Speaker 1: the gun out, uh, mcclocktin does back up and leave,
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Speaker 1: so that I did not see any additional physical threat
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Speaker 1: at that time. And I do I think that he
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Speaker 1: was shotting wrongly. Yeah, I do, based on that video,
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Speaker 1: and ultimately I believe that that's why he was invited
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Speaker 1: on that very fact. Well, I see the dad going
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Speaker 1: in the store with his little five year old following
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Speaker 1: along behind him. Then I see, you know, Draco waits
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Speaker 1: until the man is gone. Then he goes up and
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Speaker 1: starts yelling at the woman pointing at her, fussing at her.
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Speaker 1: You see a patron run in and get the dad.
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Speaker 1: He comes out. Drake is getting closer and closer to
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Speaker 1: the wife and Brittany Jacobs, and then you see him
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Speaker 1: come between them and push him away from the wife.
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Speaker 1: What about the theory of defense of another, Chuck Roberts,
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Speaker 1: That is a viable theory under the law, not just
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Speaker 1: defense of yourself, but the defense of a third party.
47:55
Speaker 1: If I see someone attacking my husband or my children,
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Speaker 1: Dart Ryan, I'm going to get in there and start
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Speaker 1: start firs gonna fly. Okay, so I I every no
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Speaker 1: one has even mentioned defense of a third person. That's
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Speaker 1: defense of the wife. Brittany exactly. Yeah. I mean these
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Speaker 1: two laws are in conflict. I mean, in the past,
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Speaker 1: defense attorneys had to explain why their client deserved immunity
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Speaker 1: in the killing. But now, as of about a year ago,
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Speaker 1: they rewrote the law. The state has to prove that
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Speaker 1: someone who claims they were standing their ground are wrong.
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Speaker 1: The burden is on the state. And you don't need
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Speaker 1: to back away from a threat. You don't need to
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Speaker 1: walk away. You can stand your ground. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Brittany Brittany Jacob speaking to our friends at CBS
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Speaker 1: this morning. We're just trying to protake me his kids.
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Speaker 1: Do you want me to, you know, move my car?
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Speaker 1: But you know I have my right to part anywhere
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Speaker 1: I want to part. What did he take from you?
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Speaker 1: Yea m hm, My soul? You know, my partner. You
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Speaker 1: know we did everything together. You know it's tough. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Cribs Stories, signing off, goodbye friend