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Mia Plecic’s Slick Stick Trademark Drama · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kate Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber. And coming up on
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  Speaker 1: today's show, Mia Plesik accuses Boof Hair of infringing on
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  Speaker 1: her Slick Stick trademark. And Talia Skanes is baffling Eros content.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Sky Wheatley has admitted she thought her breakup
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  Speaker 1: with baby daddy Lockie War would hurt more. A bit
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  Speaker 1: of a burn for Lockie. I don't think he would
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  Speaker 1: have enjoyed hearing that. So she revealed this latest news
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  Speaker 1: in an Instagram Q & A when she was asked
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  Speaker 1: if she's happier now being single. And she said that
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  Speaker 1: she needs more time to ponder the question because it's
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  Speaker 1: such a deep one. She admitted though that she was
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  Speaker 1: expecting the breakup to hurt more, but the pain has
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  Speaker 1: been going in waves. I nearly said coming in waves,
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  Speaker 1: which was a song by Dean Geyer, which everyone was like,
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  Speaker 1: What a poorly named song. I mean, as a 14
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  Speaker 1: year old, it went over the top of my head
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  Speaker 1: at the time. I just think it was cruel because
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  Speaker 1: he was the virgin on Australian Idol and they get
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  Speaker 1: him to sing about coming in waves. Well, also, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people might not know that the song
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  Speaker 1: Untouched was written about him because as you said, he
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  Speaker 1: was a virgin. I love that song.
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
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  Speaker 1: And I love doing Gaia. Me too. Loving his new
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  Speaker 1: dad life content at the moment. Anyway, we digress. So
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  Speaker 1: back to Sky Wheatley. She said that the experience has
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  Speaker 1: been intense and crazy, but As it progresses, she keeps
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  Speaker 1: thinking to herself, oh, I expected this to hurt a
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  Speaker 1: lot more. And I wonder if that's because Lockie and
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  Speaker 1: her have had this pattern of breaking up and getting
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  Speaker 1: back together and finally they appear to have actually broken
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  Speaker 1: up officially. And it doesn't seem like they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be reconciling. And it seems like she's like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: probably should have done this ages ago. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: also a case that maybe she's already grieved the relationship
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  Speaker 1: during those breaks and it hasn't come as this shock.
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  Speaker 1: So she's already sort of worked through her feelings towards him.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, okay. Like I'm sure, obviously it's
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  Speaker 1: not an ideal situation with their kids and that would
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  Speaker 1: be really difficult and heartbreaking, but she probably realizes that
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  Speaker 1: she is happier in her own company and not constantly
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  Speaker 1: fighting as what seems to be the case. Skye has
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  Speaker 1: spoken a lot in the past about her relationship with food.
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  Speaker 1: She is a binge eater and she actually spoke about
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  Speaker 1: how at the moment she can't stop eating. And she
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  Speaker 1: said it's actually a good sign for her because normally
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  Speaker 1: when she's upset and feeling sad and depressed, she loses
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  Speaker 1: her appetite. I mean, she didn't specify if she was
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  Speaker 1: actually binge eating, but The way she phrased it, it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like more of a healthy situation. Well, yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: said that when she feels good, she generally enjoys food more.
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  Speaker 1: So it sounds like maybe it's in a healthy way. Now,
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  Speaker 1: a follower also asked Skye to do a story time
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  Speaker 1: about her recent drink driving charges. And she revealed that
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  Speaker 1: she actually has an upcoming podcast appearance in Perth this week,
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  Speaker 1: and she's going to be chatting about it then. What
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  Speaker 1: podcast do you think this is? Because I was first like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: is it Adele Petropolis? Because, of course, she interviewed Jules Neal,
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  Speaker 1: who's based in Perth. But then I was like, no, wait,
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  Speaker 1: Adele is based in Melbourne. Well, I'm more thinking it's
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  Speaker 1: probably a part of a live show. Is Abby Chatfield
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  Speaker 1: touring at the moment? That's a good point. Look, I
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  Speaker 1: just did a live Google and Abby Chatfield's podcast tour
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  Speaker 1: wrapped up a couple of months ago. Dan does footy.
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  Speaker 1: He's touring at the moment, but that's in Melbourne. And
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't think Sky Wheatley would be a guest of his.
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  Speaker 1: That's Dan Gorin, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, Gorin.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: You never know. He popped up in Lucy and Nikki's
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  Speaker 1: recent ad for their upcoming live shows. Yeah. Well, he was,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bit awkward to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: but I think he was one of their surprise guests
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  Speaker 1: as well. There's Myth Warhurst as well. None of them
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  Speaker 1: really screams Sky Wheatley. No. I mean, maybe it's not
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  Speaker 1: a live show. It could just be an in-person filming.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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  Speaker 3: That just went to buying stock off Alibaba. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: like Probably the lowest quality.
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  Speaker 1: Any cute packaging or are you just sending that out?
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  Speaker 3: It was just a black bottle that had an existing
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  Speaker 3: white label logo on it.
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  Speaker 1: Controversial Slick Stick owner Mia Plesic has vowed to do
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  Speaker 1: whatever it takes to block Booth Hair from selling its
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  Speaker 1: new styling product, the Hair Master. The serial entrepreneur has
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  Speaker 1: accused the popular hair care brand of infringing on her trademark,
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  Speaker 1: declaring that there's no originality anymore. So before we get
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  Speaker 1: into the drama, can you bring listeners up to speed
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  Speaker 1: with the main players? Yeah, well, I feel like OG
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  Speaker 1: listeners will be quite familiar with Mia Plesic, but for
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  Speaker 1: anyone who is new to the podcast, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: So she is a 34-year-old entrepreneur from Melbourne who owns
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  Speaker 1: Slick Hair Company. She actually launched the brand back in
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  Speaker 1: 2019 with the Slick Stick Hair Wand as her hero product. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I first came across Mia in 2017 and When she
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  Speaker 1: started appearing in Michael Finch's vlogs, she was... Oh, because
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  Speaker 1: she was his manager, wasn't she? She was dressed head
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  Speaker 1: to toe in designer gear. It literally looked like Balenciaga
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  Speaker 1: had vomited on her. And she was the one who
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  Speaker 1: helped facilitate his masterclasses around the country. We were only
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  Speaker 1: talking about Michael Finch's masterclasses a couple of months ago
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  Speaker 1: when Sam Guggenheimer and Mia Langley tried to do their
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  Speaker 1: social media influencer class. Well, I mean, they were so
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  Speaker 1: of the time, those classes, weren't they? Because I actually
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine... teenagers forking out, you know, 500 bucks these
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  Speaker 1: days to sit and watch something like that. I reckon
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  Speaker 1: for the right influence that they would. But I reckon
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  Speaker 1: there's too much scrutiny now. Like, I don't think people
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  Speaker 1: are going to... Oh, like an influencer couldn't charge that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not. It does seem like their partnership ended
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  Speaker 1: on quite bad terms. The pair ended up unfollowing each
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  Speaker 1: other and there were a lot of whispers of a
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  Speaker 1: friendship fallout. Mia is a very divisive figure, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: not really surprised She attracted a lot of attention during COVID.
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  Speaker 1: Not only did she attend anti-lockdown protests, but she also
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  Speaker 1: allegedly shared her plans to find a black market doctor
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  Speaker 1: to sign a COVID passport for her. That just has
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  Speaker 1: given me PTSD, even talking about that. It actually seems
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  Speaker 1: like such a long time ago, but then again, yesterday?
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  Speaker 1: It's so weird to actually put a timeframe on that.
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  Speaker 1: Over the last couple of years, she's also been accused
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  Speaker 1: of not upholding her end of contra deals. So when
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  Speaker 1: she celebrated her 30th birthday, she was actually accused of
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  Speaker 1: not properly promoting the contra deals in relation to the party.
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  Speaker 1: And in 2024, she faced legal action after not upholding
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  Speaker 1: her end of a contra deal with bridal boutique, Champery Couture. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we covered that in depth. I remember that story quite well.
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  Speaker 1: She also has a reputation for being a serial business owner.
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  Speaker 1: So In 2022, she launched a gender neutral cosmetic brand
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  Speaker 1: with Sophie Keisha called Isuru. Oh, I forgot about their partnership.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't forget that Sophie Keisha was involved.
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  Speaker 1: But I forgot that Mia Plastic was also in on that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because there was that infamous wiping of the nose incident
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  Speaker 1: when she was packaging some of the lipsticks from home
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  Speaker 1: and we did speak about it on the podcast and
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  Speaker 1: then subsequently got blasted on socials for it. I think
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  Speaker 1: I forgot that Mia Plastic was involved because her part
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  Speaker 1: in the project was so fleeting. Yeah, because not long
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  Speaker 1: after launching, rumours started emerging of a rift between Sophie
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  Speaker 1: and Mia and then Sophie had to announce on socials
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  Speaker 1: that she was suddenly the sole owner of the brand. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Mia also tried to move into the parenting space in 2024.
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  Speaker 1: She launched a mothering Instagram account with the same name
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  Speaker 1: as Australia's biggest women's media publication. So she called it
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  Speaker 1: Mama Mia. I mean, a bit of a bad decision there.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I mean, I get that her name is
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  Speaker 1: also Mia, like Mia Friedman. But, you know, you've got
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  Speaker 1: to do your due diligence and do a bit of
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  Speaker 1: research into the area. Yeah. I mean, that does paint.
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  Speaker 1: quite a picture of Mia and her business handlings in
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  Speaker 1: the past.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course, you've got Booth Hair, which is
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  Speaker 1: a popular Australian hair care brand. We've spoken about the
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  Speaker 1: company several times on the show, particularly because Indy Clinton
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  Speaker 1: is so heavily involved in the company. She actually owns
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  Speaker 1: a stake in it now. Well, she is an equity partner.
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  Speaker 1: It's also co-owned by Rachel Wild, who also owns TBH Skincare.
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  Speaker 1: And Boof Hair launched back in 2025 off the back
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  Speaker 1: of a popular publicity stunt involving Indy Clinton. So a
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  Speaker 1: video of Indy supposedly in the middle of an interview
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  Speaker 1: at an office job went viral and it got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of tongues wagging. Everyone was talking about this story.
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  Speaker 1: It was later revealed that Indy was not only the
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  Speaker 1: face of Boof Hair, but as you touched on, Kate,
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  Speaker 1: that she had a stake in the business herself. And
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  Speaker 1: I would say that Rachel and her team have really
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  Speaker 1: made a name for themselves by pulling off these epic
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  Speaker 1: marketing campaigns and publicity stunts. Also for sometimes not getting
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  Speaker 1: it right, because remember their campaign with Indie when she
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  Speaker 1: was wearing that wig and everyone's like, why have you
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  Speaker 1: got her in a wig when she's promoting a hair
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  Speaker 1: growth serum? But again, they leveraged that to get everyone talking. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So it ended up being a bit of a PR
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  Speaker 1: win there anyway. Now let's get into what went down.
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  Speaker 1: So on the 16th of September, Booth launched the Hair Master.
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  Speaker 1: So Similar to the Slick Stick, the product has a
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  Speaker 1: wand applicator to smooth and control flyaways. Now they launched
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  Speaker 1: the new product with a campaign called Slick Me Baby
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  Speaker 1: One More Time. So they were of course drawing inspiration
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  Speaker 1: from Britney Spears and the team was heavily praised for
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  Speaker 1: using professional dancers and choreographers to recreate the 90s film clip.
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  Speaker 1: So they were essentially dancing while slicking their hair with
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  Speaker 1: this new wand. And the reason why people were so
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  Speaker 1: happy about the campaign was because they didn't just use
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  Speaker 1: AI generated content, which so many hair care brands and
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  Speaker 1: skincare brands are using. I mean, we've recently spoke about
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  Speaker 1: Ashy Binds using it. I mean, I had a look
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  Speaker 1: at Slick Hair. They constantly use AI clips to promote
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  Speaker 1: their products. And I just think it's fantastic that Booth
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  Speaker 1: actually invested in local talent. Yeah, it was refreshing to
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  Speaker 1: see and everyone really got around this campaign. At the
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  Speaker 1: time of recording, it's had 252,000 views. I have not
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  Speaker 1: seen one negative comment under the post, which is quite
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  Speaker 1: unusual for social media, nor have I seen anyone drawing
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  Speaker 1: comparisons to Slick Stick. Obviously, companies can moderate the comments,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't appear that that's been going on. No,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, everyone seemed to really love the campaign and
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  Speaker 1: be excited by the new product. One user wrote, My
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  Speaker 1: new baby hairs from Boof have been waiting for this.
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  Speaker 1: Another said, whoever is in the marketing team, give them
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  Speaker 1: a raise. While someone else said, you, including the dancers,
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  Speaker 1: has made me love you even more. Now, the only
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  Speaker 1: person who seemed to have a problem with the hair
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  Speaker 1: master was Mia Plastic. So she fired back with a
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  Speaker 1: real caption, the OG slick stick established 2019. Now, we
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  Speaker 1: watched this together and we're still trying to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of it because It was an AI, but it was
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  Speaker 1: shot in a quite budget-friendly way. So there's a woman
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  Speaker 1: in the video. It's not me. It's someone else. And
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  Speaker 1: they have their hair pulled back into a ponytail and
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  Speaker 1: a plane flies over and they kind of recoil and
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  Speaker 1: cover up. Well, they duck. They duck to miss the plane.
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  Speaker 1: So she ducks down and then reappears again on camera
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  Speaker 1: holding a paper plane with the words across it, you
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  Speaker 1: can try, but you can't copy the OG. Okay. It
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  Speaker 1: shows to me that she's threatened. Because if you're the
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  Speaker 1: original and the best and the greatest and you've got
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  Speaker 1: this established audience who loves your product, then why are
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  Speaker 1: you worried that they're going to go to someone else?
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  Speaker 1: I just found the rebuttal a bit embarrassing because Boof's
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  Speaker 1: campaign was praised for being so professional and sleek. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: pardon the pun, but the rebuttal just looked so amateur. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that it's only received 14.6 thousand views
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram and 913 on TikTok. Like clearly it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: gone off the way Mia thought it would because for her,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't shy away from controversy. And we all know
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  Speaker 1: in this day and age, controversy means engagement and attention
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  Speaker 1: for brands. So she obviously was hoping that this might
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  Speaker 1: get a bit of attention and get people thinking of
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  Speaker 1: slick hair again. I mean, there were a couple of
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  Speaker 1: people commenting under the post in her favor, but I
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  Speaker 1: kind of got the vibe that they were either friends
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  Speaker 1: or they worked at Slick Hair. So one person wrote,
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  Speaker 1: had to be the same color too, question mark, question mark.
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  Speaker 1: Another said, can never keep up with the OG, 10
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  Speaker 1: steps ahead. Whilst another said, I was shocked. Now Mia
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  Speaker 1: decided to address it further online, writing, you can't copy
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  Speaker 1: the original, but they'll try and I'll do everything it
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  Speaker 1: takes to stop it. Imitation is flattering, but straight out
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  Speaker 1: infringing trademarks is wild. There's no originality anymore. It's sad. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I totally understand why she's threatened and concerned as a
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  Speaker 1: business owner, because she is coming up against two big
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  Speaker 1: guns in Indy Clinton and Rachel Wild. But in the
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  Speaker 1: same breath, I think it's a bit rich to be
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  Speaker 1: claiming that this is her original idea. The irony is
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  Speaker 1: that Slick Stick started out as a white label product
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  Speaker 1: in 2020. I was a bit shocked when I found
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  Speaker 1: that news out. So for those not familiar with the
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  Speaker 1: term white label product, it's an item made by one
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  Speaker 1: company and then sold by another company under its own
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  Speaker 1: brand name and logo. So what Mia would have done
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  Speaker 1: is found this product and then just slapped the name
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  Speaker 1: and the logo. Like I'm not saying that the name
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  Speaker 1: isn't great because Slickstick, it's a great name. The branding
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  Speaker 1: has been excellent. So not trying to take away from
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  Speaker 1: what Mia has done, but it's not like she has
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  Speaker 1: created the product from scratch herself. Well, the thing is
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  Speaker 1: she actually made this admission on a podcast a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago called the Female Founder Podcast. And She
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  Speaker 1: said that she had just $ 500 to her name when
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  Speaker 1: she came across an existing Flyway product on Alibaba that
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  Speaker 1: was being marketed out of Korea. She ordered it, liked
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  Speaker 1: it and decided it was a product she wanted to launch.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to more of what she said. I, at.
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  Speaker 3: The time, you know, started the business with about $ 500
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  Speaker 3: to my name and I couldn't afford mass production. So
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  Speaker 3: I bought the product as a white label product. I
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  Speaker 3: got the local printing company to make me some labels
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  Speaker 3: and I was hand labeling.
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  Speaker 1: Every single bottle.
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  Speaker 3: That just went to buying stock off Alibaba. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: like probably the lowest quality.
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  Speaker 1: Any cute packaging or are you just sending that out?
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  Speaker 3: It was just a black bottle that had an existing
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  Speaker 3: white label logo on it. I got a label printed,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, and wrapped over the top. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: people were loving it and it was selling really well.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important to look at what she said
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  Speaker 1: with a 2020 lens. A lot of people were building
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  Speaker 1: brands from white label products. I mean, look at the Udi.
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people were sourcing products off Alibaba
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  Speaker 1: and having a lot of success with it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: of course, over the years, Mia has scaled the brand up.
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  Speaker 1: She uses a unique formula now. It's tailored to the brand.
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  Speaker 1: I do find it strange, though, to be so outraged
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  Speaker 1: and accuse other businesses of stealing your ideas when she
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  Speaker 1: has admitted to not being the original manufacturer of this product.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that this started off as a white label product,
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  Speaker 1: but it sounds like she has gone down the path
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  Speaker 1: to trademark it or elements of it. So is it
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  Speaker 1: the name Slick Stick that she thinks Booth has infringed on?
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  Speaker 1: She hasn't flat out called them out about the name.
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  Speaker 1: She hasn't been specific about which areas of trademarking she
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  Speaker 1: thinks that they've infringed. When you do look at trademarking
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  Speaker 1: as a whole, it obviously protects the brand's distinctive elements.
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  Speaker 1: So they're the things that help people recognize a brand
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  Speaker 1: and tell it apart from its competitors. In this case,
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  Speaker 1: for the Slick Stick, it would be things like the
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  Speaker 1: particular shape of the wand and the logo. And as
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  Speaker 1: you touched on, Kate, the name. Booth has been very
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  Speaker 1: careful when it comes to the name of the product.
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  Speaker 1: They've avoided using the exact phrase Slick Stick anywhere in
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  Speaker 1: their promotion of it. It's called the Hairmaster Slicking Stick. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they've been careful. They're calling it a slicking
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  Speaker 1: stick as opposed to a slick stick. Slick and slicking
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  Speaker 1: are pretty similar. Yeah, but it's the Hairmaster. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: using the word slicking instead of slick would have been
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  Speaker 1: a strategic decision to protect themselves legally. The campaign uses
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  Speaker 1: the word slick, though. Like, slick me one more time.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, okay, a trademark owner doesn't automatically get
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  Speaker 1: a monopoly over every phrase containing one of their words.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Booth is allowed to use the word slick amongst their advertising.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Booth have been highly descriptive for a
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  Speaker 1: reason when talking about the Hairmaster. The look of the
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  Speaker 1: bottles is also where trademarking can come in. Yes, both
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  Speaker 1: of them are pink, but Booth's lid is ribbed around
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  Speaker 1: the bottle. It's also slightly thicker. The wand is also
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: a different shape and the logo is completely different. So
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much of a leg she'd have
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to stand on there when it comes to trademarking. When
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you do look at the two bottles and the branding,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I don't think customers are likely to
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: think the products or businesses are connected and get confused
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: by them. Not to mention the fact that there are
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: so many other brands that sell a very similar looking
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: product at the moment as well. Yeah, I mean, Bondi
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Boost have their own hair wand, so do Emco Beauty.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting that Mia has decided to try and
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: blast Boof Hair over it. She obviously feels threatened. Or
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: this is all a marketing stunt from her end to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: try and gain a bit of attention off the back
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of Indy Clinton and Booth Hare. I mean, if she
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: does launch legal action against Booth Hare for trademark laws,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I think Booth would have a pretty strong case. They
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: could simply come back and say, you didn't create the
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: underlying product. You commercialized an existing product that was already
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: available from a third party on Alibaba. And I mean,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: while this doesn't automatically undermine the trademark, I think it
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: could substantially undermine the argument that she owns exclusive rights
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: to this concept. Another important distinction is, of course, the formula.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: So Booth's Hair Master ingredients list is very different to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Slick Hair's. And Booth Hair and also TBH have become
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: renowned for creating very unique formulas. They're very scientifically based.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So I think Rachel Wilden wouldn't be too happy about
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: these claims. I'm really interested to see if Booth hit
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: back at her with some sort of clever reel or
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: if they don't really want to give her any more
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: visibility or attention. Have a really good day.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. Has gone viral, leaving viewers baffled. Soph, this
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: is the second time in the space of a week
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about Eurus. That's right. On our subs,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: we discussed UK influencer Saffron Barker's rather unusual pronunciation of
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: the Greek takeaway. She was calling them gyros. I thought
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: gyros was something completely different. So basically, Kate, as we
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: discussed on the subs, this is particularly confusing to us
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: from South Australia because in South Australia, we are the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: only state that spells Eurus, Y-I-R-O-S. Everywhere else they spell
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: it G-Y-R-O-S. So Saffron saw the word, pronounced it how
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: she thought it looked like it was said, but it is,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: of course, pronounced Uros. The other thing is in other
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: states they call them kebabs. Yeah, exactly. We did touch
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: on this in the subs episode. Yeah, because when I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: moved to Melbourne for a year, I used to go
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and get a kebab from Richmond Street probably every week. And, yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I got into a habit of calling them kebabs. But
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know, for me, when I think of Uros,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I just think of the ones mum used to make
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: at home with, like, Greek yoghurt. Yeah, well, I mean,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: we're not talking about the pronunciation here for Talia Skane.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: She has been pronouncing them correct. But what we are
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: seeing is a very bizarre influx of Euros-themed TikToks that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: are doing very well for her. So she is currently
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: honeymooning in Europe, and she spent the last week in
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Greece to attend a friend's wedding. And I have noticed
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that ever since her wedding, she has been pumping the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: TikToks out, particularly off the back of her European travels. Well,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: she's known for her travels. I remember the poor thing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: actually launched a travel app in 2020 just as the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: world shut down and I felt so sorry for her.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: It wasn't great timing. Now, the thing is a lot
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of these travel videos she's been doing, like she's been
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: doing hauls and recommendations, they've only been getting between 3,000
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to 10,000 views, which isn't great for her because she's
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: got 118,000 followers on TikTok. They haven't been performing. The
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: content that is getting cut through is the Eros content
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and her love for them. And I think I know
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what she's doing and where her strategy is coming from
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: because it's essentially a low-level thirst trap. So the premise
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of this whole Yeros content is a hot girl eating
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: something messy, not to be gross, like a Eros. It's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: deliberately suggestive without being explicit. And you're saying like phallic
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: shaped as well. Yes. I mean, this sort of content
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: is encouraging the send-ons. I mean, the comment section of
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: some of these posts are absolutely wild. And what are
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the comments like? Okay, well, I'll get into the first one.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So in her first Eros themed video, which attracted 197,000 views,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: She was sitting on the side of the road with
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: her fiancee tucking into a gyros, like really tucking into it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Take a shot every time Sophie says gyros. Who's having
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: gyros tonight? Oh, fuck. I want it. Now, I won't
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: be feeling myself eating it though. I don't think anyone
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: wants to see that. Now, she wrote across the video,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I wasn't depressed. I just needed to sit in a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: gutter in Greece and eat a gyros. In the next video,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Talia was wearing quite a low cut top while she
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was sitting on a couch in an Airbnb and eating
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a massive gyros. In the video, she had mayonnaise all
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: over her lips. And again, she was really hoeing into
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: this gyros. And the caption said, if work is tough,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: just remember you're working so you can get gyros in
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Greece in 10 months time. Now, this video attracted 186,000
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: views and over 2,000 send-ons. And as you can imagine,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the comment section was interesting. Now, one older woman called
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Beryl wrote, wouldn't be the first time your mouth's been
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: covered in white sauce. And Talia actually replied to this comment, writing, facts, Beryl, facts. Wow,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty funny response. Yeah, so she's playing into it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: As someone who has watched a lot of Talia Skane's content,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: over the years. It's not a new thing for her
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to eat seductively on her YouTube channel. I'd also guess
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that she has a large male audience considering she posts
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of bikini content as well. So that's why
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think she's trying to switch up her content on
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: TikTok because I don't think she's getting the girls in
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: that she was hoping to. But why would you want
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: creepy men getting off to you eating gyros? Like, have
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: you said important to you? Like, I'd prefer not. Do
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean, she's trying to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: build a following. So let's not, let's not yuck her yum. So,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I need to talk about this final gyros
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: video because it was the most bizarre out of all
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of them it's had. 273,000 views. And the video essentially
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: showed her answering the door to a delivery boy or
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: delivery man. Look, he wasn't a boy. I've seen the video.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It was a man that was probably older than her,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I'd say, or around the same age. He was dropping
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: off the Euros and she'd set up the camera in
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the hallway to capture this awkward exchange. So in the video,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: she was very glammed up. She was wearing white silky
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: pyjamas that she wore on the morning of her wedding.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Not what I would choose to eat Euros in. No,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you're slopping it everywhere. Well, she had a full face
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of makeup on. She'd just gone and got her hair
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: done at the hairdresser's. This was in preparation for her
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: friend's wedding. Let's take a listen to the clip because
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think I can give it justice. Amazing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: How's it going?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Very excited for this.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: You want to eat Euros? Yeah. Why?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I love Euros. You love gyros? Yeah, it's my favourite.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Us Australians, we don't get it like you guys do
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It's not the same.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: You are in Greece, you eat the original gyros. Yeah, exactly.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: You come from Australia, yeah?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: If I remember good, your husband is a cool guy
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: with a full tattoo.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's him.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: You have a really good guy.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Perfect. So, we're ready. Thank you so, so much.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Have a beautiful day.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Take care, yeah? You too. Bye.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: You sent this to me and you're like, what the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: fuck is this? And I had to pause. I was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: making dinner. And I was like, you know, when you're
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: waiting for something weird to happen, because it just had
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a weird vibe. Well, the top comment was from a
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: guy that said, I usually skip this part, obviously referring
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to a porno. And I mean, that's what it felt like.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: You could see that the delivery driver clocked that she
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was filming. And I wonder if he thought, oh my God,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is she filming an OnlyFans? Am I going to be
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: part of this OnlyFans? What about with a bit when
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, your husband is a cool guy with
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: face tattoos. Like he's obviously like, Fuck, I'm scared. Like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: what is this a trap? And the thing is he
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: seemed really surprised that she liked Euros. Like when he's like, oh,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you really like Euros, do you? And she's like, yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I love it. And there was just something so flirtatious
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: about the way that she said it. I have got
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a real problem though with someone setting up a camera.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and filming you without your consent, particularly in this moment,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: because this guy's eyes are probably lit up. Like, oh,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: look at this hot girl getting yours. I'm going to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: have a bit of a chat with her. And then
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it's like, imagine if he's got a partner seeing this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Imagine your boyfriend's like, oh, sorry, I'm doing an extra
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: job delivering food. And then you see this video. Actually,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I came across a video on TikTok today. It was,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: it's gone absolutely viral. It's got 7 million views. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it was someone filming two old women in their car
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: eating ice cream. I saw that. I felt so bad
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: for the woman because she took the biggest mouthful, like
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: she really went for it. Yeah, and someone's like, imagine
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: just eating an ice cream in your car and not
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: knowing someone filmed it and went viral. Kate, I'm going
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to tell you some of the other comments under this
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: video because they were quite funny. Someone else said, bro
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: saw the camera, thought he was going to get a surprise.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Another said, I thought it was going to be like, oh,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I don't have enough money. Is there another way? And
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: another said, hope you tipped him, to which she replied,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of course. It's funny when you see the creator responding
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to comments, but then leaving other ones up. I mean,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I know the whole game of TikTok is to build
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: engagement and, you know, it probably helps her to leave
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: those comments. But I want to know, like, what were
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: her intentions with uploading the clip? Like, was she aware
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that that was a vibe it was giving off and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: just playing into it? Or is this a girl that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: just likes a year off? I definitely think she's weaving
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: this sort of suggestive content into her TikToks to gain
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: more followers. The thing is, Obviously, there's a lot of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: people that do this type of thing, but it is
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a bit of a strange move from Talia Skains because
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like she's worked so hard to move away
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: from the male audience that she attracted once upon a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: time when she posted a lot of thirst traps. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: she actually wants to talk to a female audience. I mean,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: she's got a YouTube channel. She promotes clothing hauls. So
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it seems like a strange move, particularly when you consider
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: she's just got married. She's been posting a lot of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: wedding content. She seems really keen to have a baby soon.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So I imagine she might go down the mummy vlogging channel. Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, these are three videos in the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: space of probably 30 videos. So she probably thinks, look,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: if I weave a couple here and there, I'm going
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to get my numbers up. It's going to look really
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: good for sponsors. And I mean, it's probably how she
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: grew her Instagram as well. And she, which she's making
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of money off, presumably. This is why I.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Don't fly anywhere because it just confuses me. And I saw,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I literally saw it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: This is how you learn.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You fly. I still don't know where I am. We're
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in a country near Australia.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I thought we were on an island. Well, same thing.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. Sophie, can you believe that Michael Finch is now 30?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know where the last couple of years have gone.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I feel robbed of time. Yeah. So he just returned
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: home after celebrating his milestone birthday in Bangkok. I love
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that that seems to be his special place. Like he
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: is always there filming food content. I'm still patiently waiting
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: for him to upload a lot of videos from his trip.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Is that still within the blue ball? Ha ha. I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: love that. That is my favorite vlog of all time.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: OGs will get that reference. So that is when Michael
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Finch visited Bali for the first time. That was his
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: first ever overseas trip. And he had to ask Shani
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: if they were still in the blue ball, meaning if
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: they were still in the world. And Shani's like, well, yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Bali is in the world. So yeah, we are in
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the blue ball. I think we should actually insert the clip.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It's too funny not to.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Michael literally just asked the best question. You know how
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: he's like really good with geography and all of that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: good stuff he's like don't film this but can i
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: ask you a question he said are we like still
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: in the world like that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Little blue ball are.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: We like there and i'm like well yeah bali is
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: in earth so here you go you learn something new
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: every day don't you.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I just thought, no, honest to God, I honestly thought, like,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: it was just another island.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Well, we are in another island.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but, like, did we leave the blue ball?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Obviously not. No, because only humans live on Earth.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Now, in Bangkok, which, as you've stated, is in the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: blue ball, Michael was there with his friend Georgia, who
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: seems like she adequately spoiled him. So she did the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: whole 30 balloons thing. as well as organise the most
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: incredible personalised cake I have ever seen. Have you seen it, Sophie?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was so cool. It was of him filming
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a TikTok in his kitchen and on the kitchen bench
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: there's all this food. This was a cake. Like it
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: literally looked like a figurine. Oh, wow. I mean, you
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: can get some incredible stuff made these days. That sort
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of level of cake is almost very of the 2017s though. Yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: which is what I enjoyed about it. Now, he ended
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: up sharing a photo dump from his trip and wrote
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: 30 pictures so wild, just happy to be here. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I am so happy that he is still on social
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: media because of course he made a name for himself
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: as a OG beauty influencer, but his transformation has been
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: incredible into this TikTok chef. He's got 2.7 million followers
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: on TikTok. It's crazy to think that he actually has
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: more followers now than he did back in the day.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I love him and I just want him to vlog
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: more and I want to see more about his personal life.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: But Again, I think it's probably good for him to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: have those boundaries set up as well. It was pretty
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: interesting to see who commented underneath his birthday post. So
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of course, Sharni Grumman left a message. She wrote, the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: sweetest man. Skye Wheatley actually left two comments. So she wrote,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: happy birthday, baby. Love you. And then she also added,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: 30 is the new famous. Now this took me back
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: because remember, it was at a time when I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: people were starting to get a little bit annoyed with Sharni, Michael,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Lily Brown, the whole friendship group. It was when Sky
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: seemed to be there more and they were in the US.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: That was when they infamously did have a bust up. Yeah,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and they kept being like famous, famous, famous and like
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: talking all the time in that. On that Cundall voice,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't it? Oh yeah. The Cundall Jenner voice. So I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: was going to say the Bindi voice, but everyone still
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: loves a Bindi bit. Anyway, I thought it was interesting
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that she commented because obviously they've had a rift and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: recently we spoke about how they were re-following each other
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. So it seems like things could be moving
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: towards something a bit more of a public reunion possibly. Well,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: we spoke about Lily Brown's wedding last week and what
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: we didn't touch on was the fact that there was
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: no influencer click reunion at the wedding. So it seems
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: like she is no longer friends with the entirety of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the week. Well, Louis the Fly was there, of course.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: But he was never really part of that group. Yeah,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and M Davies was there. But as you said, there
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: was no Sharni, there was no Michael, there was no
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Rani Bransby, there was no Sky Wheatley. I never thought
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: they'd get invited. It was just a pipe dream. But
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I think it was probably actually more telling that they
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: weren't invited to the original wedding because they only had
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that wedding so that they could invite friends that couldn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: afford to travel overseas to celebrate. All of them could
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: afford it. Well, they could, but also it's a bit
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of a commitment when you're, you know, if you're not
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: best friends with the person anymore. Yeah, but they're always
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: touring around Europe. Shani Grimman's in Europe at the moment.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: She could have popped by. Yeah, but I think it
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: just shows their friendship status. Oh, 100%. Well, I think
• 30:47
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