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The Kenny Report | 15 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Edin, thanks for joining me tonight. What does AI
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  Speaker 2: have in store for Australia and how can we benefit.
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  Speaker 2: I've enlisted AI to help with the answers, and yes,
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  Speaker 2: our energy self.
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  Speaker 1: Harm will be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Also, the Prime Minister rewrites history to support his socialist left,
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  Speaker 2: big government view of the world. I'll look at the
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  Speaker 2: Iran War from different perspectives, the human factors and the
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  Speaker 2: strategic The horrible murder of a politician in the UK
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  Speaker 2: was this an act of political terrorism across to London?
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  Speaker 2: All that plenty more a surprise about the ABC and
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  Speaker 2: the Wednesday wrangle with Danika and Justin.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk a lot about AI tonight, artificial
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  Speaker 2: intelligence because of Anthony Alberanese's major speech about how the
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  Speaker 2: country's going to manage and take advantage of this economic
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  Speaker 2: challenge and opportunity. So just to demonstrate the power of
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  Speaker 2: AI and to test it, I suppose, and for a
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  Speaker 2: bit of fun, I thought I'd ask AI to look
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  Speaker 2: at the news agenda of the day and suggest what
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  Speaker 2: I might say at the opening of this program.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what it came up with I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Read this script word for word, but it wasn't written
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  Speaker 2: by me. It was written by AI pretending to be
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  Speaker 2: to be me. Tonight Tonight, Anthony Albanezi wants to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the future.
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  Speaker 1: He stood up today to announce a brand new.
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  Speaker 2: World first Office of AI buried deep within his own
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  Speaker 2: Canbra bureaucracy. He wants Australia to lead the tech revolution.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a massive glaring problem. AI data centers require vast,
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  Speaker 2: uninterrupted streams of electricity, yet under this government's ideological experiment
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  Speaker 2: with renewables, our grid is becoming more fragile by the day.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's solution tell the tech companies to build
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  Speaker 2: their own power generators. You truly couldn't make it up. Well,
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  Speaker 2: AI made that up and it's pretty good, isn't it,
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  Speaker 2: Because that's not too far removed from what I'd already
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  Speaker 2: planned to say. Let's start with a bit of the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister's speech.
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  Speaker 3: This is our time to decide what AI looks like
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  Speaker 3: here in Australia. It is not a question of if
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  Speaker 3: for when AI will transform our economy.
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  Speaker 1: Where pass that.
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  Speaker 3: The question that matters, the choice that we have is
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  Speaker 3: how fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: But when we talk about threats and opportunities from AI,
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  Speaker 2: we first have to talk about office jobs, jobs in
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  Speaker 2: the services sector, jobs that are already disappearing in law firms,
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  Speaker 2: major banks, and any businesses with lots of back office staff.
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  Speaker 2: Surely this presents a chance for the federal governm to lower.
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  Speaker 1: Its costs to do more with less.
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  Speaker 2: After all, according to AI, the federal public service has
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  Speaker 2: grown by forty five thousand people since Labor took office,
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  Speaker 2: up from just over one hundred and fifty thousand to
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  Speaker 2: almost two hundred thousand. It's increased by twenty nine percent,
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  Speaker 2: almost a third. Yeah, while AI has made it easier
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  Speaker 2: for bureaucrats to do more with less, we've seen a
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  Speaker 2: massive and expensive increase in bureaucrats. No wonder the budget's
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  Speaker 2: been sliding deeper into deficit at Albanezi's answer, Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: more bureaucracy effective.
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  Speaker 3: Today, I am establishing the Office of AI in my
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  Speaker 3: own Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.
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  Speaker 2: Great, that'll fix it. There are big issues for government
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  Speaker 2: to confront. How to protect copyright and intellectual property that
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  Speaker 2: exists online, how to protect some jobs and create others,
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  Speaker 2: and easy is convening a national cabinet with the premiers
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  Speaker 2: before introducing new laws to govern all this.
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  Speaker 3: This is about building Australian's confidence and trust in AI
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  Speaker 3: and our nation's capacity to manage it, ensuring that our
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  Speaker 3: national interests and our national security are protected, and providing
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  Speaker 3: this certainty for growth, for jobs and for investment.
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  Speaker 2: All sensible enough. I guess we'll see what they come
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  Speaker 2: up with. But here's the kicker. We want and need
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  Speaker 2: AI data centers in this country so that we benefit
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  Speaker 2: from the technology and the investment, so that we're players
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  Speaker 2: rather than just spectators and customers, and we have some
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  Speaker 2: of what the industry needs.
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  Speaker 3: Consider what international investors look for, and then think about
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  Speaker 3: what we have. World class universities producing skilled graduates and
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  Speaker 3: high quality research. The traditional resources, critical minerals and rare
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  Speaker 3: earths that are essential, the space to build, the sunlight
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  Speaker 3: to power affordable, reliable, renewable energy sunlight.
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  Speaker 2: We've got sunlight to power vast data centers twenty four
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  Speaker 2: to seven. Just silly, of course, only low brow intelligence
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  Speaker 2: or ideologically fixed intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: Would run this line.
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  Speaker 2: Even AI will tell you that to run a data
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  Speaker 2: center on renewables, you'd have to massively overbuild your capacity,
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  Speaker 2: then invest heavily in large scale batteries, and then still
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  Speaker 2: either have a backup fossil fuel generation or a connection
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  Speaker 2: to the grid to bring in reliable power when you
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  Speaker 2: don't have enough.
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  Speaker 1: But Albanezi says he's got it all covered.
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  Speaker 3: We'll create a legal obligation for the next generation of
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  Speaker 3: large scale data centers to underwrite new power supply, to
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  Speaker 3: pay their full share of grid connection so no costs
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  Speaker 3: are passed on to homes or businesses, and to put
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  Speaker 3: at least as much energy into our grid as they
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  Speaker 3: take out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Great our energy transition is going so well that in
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  Speaker 2: what was once an energy rich nation, we now have
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  Speaker 2: a bring your own energy economy. But don't bring coal
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  Speaker 2: fired energy or gas fired will hit you for the
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  Speaker 2: emissions then, and don't bring nuclear power because we're against it.
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  Speaker 2: Don't ask us why we're just against it. Apparently it's
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  Speaker 2: okay for the rest of the modern world to use clean,
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  Speaker 2: reliable nuclear energy, but we're sticking with expensive, unreliable sun
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  Speaker 2: and wind. Lord help us, But bring in the artificial intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: I say, in this country right now, we need all
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  Speaker 2: the intelligence we can get. Just on that speech, it
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  Speaker 2: was delivered at Sydney Universe, and right at the start,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister reflected on his time studying economics there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to believe, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: He studied economics, but it's pretty clear he didn't pay
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  Speaker 2: too much attention. Have I listened to the way he
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  Speaker 2: rewrites history?
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  Speaker 3: When I was studying economics here in the nineteen eighties,
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  Speaker 3: the world was being taught the meaning of economic rationalism,
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  Speaker 3: that tourism in Britain, Reaganomics in the United States. Yet
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  Speaker 3: here in Australia we were making a different choice, and
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  Speaker 3: we were moving in a different direction, because while other
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  Speaker 3: nations were being remade by a philosophy which held there
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  Speaker 3: is no such thing as society, Australia was building what
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  Speaker 3: has become one of the truest expressions of our society
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  Speaker 3: and the duty that we owe to each other as
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  Speaker 3: members of it. I speak, of course, of medicare.
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  Speaker 2: He mocks Margaret Thatcher and Reagan. I mean, how juvenile.
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  Speaker 2: It just shows he hasn't progressed intellectually from the Uni
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  Speaker 2: rebbel rouser that he was. Thatcher and Reagan transformed economics
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  Speaker 2: and foreign policy in fundamental ways, stripping back the interventions
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  Speaker 2: of government, freeing up the private sector and supporting the
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  Speaker 2: primacy of the nation state. They did this so well
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  Speaker 2: that it ended the Cold War. And Albanezi sells his
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  Speaker 2: labor colleagues short because the hawk keeping labor government largely
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  Speaker 2: endorsed the foreign policy posture of Thatcher and Reagan, and
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  Speaker 2: certainly they embraced their economic rationalism. That's why labor floated
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  Speaker 2: the dollar and deregulated the financial sector. That's why labor
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  Speaker 2: delivered tax reform, got rid of tariff barriers, and implemented
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  Speaker 2: competition reforms. That's why labor started charging for university degrees.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why labor private ties the Commonwealth Bank and
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  Speaker 2: quantus and see a sil that's labor doing good things
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  Speaker 2: for the economy. That's labor being economically rationalist. It can
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  Speaker 2: be done. And as for that low brow attempt to
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  Speaker 2: make Margaret Thatcher sound heartless, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: The full story. The reality was quite the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: She's been correctly quoted. She did say there is no
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  Speaker 4: such thing as society, but she went on to say
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  Speaker 4: that society is made up of individuals. It says individuals
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  Speaker 4: who take action. There is no single monolithic organization that
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  Speaker 4: will help. It's individuals working together as an organization.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a society and it's not run by government.
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  Speaker 2: It's run by self reliant people. That's a lesson Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: is yet to learn. Just on that story I brought
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  Speaker 2: you last night about the United Nations finally admitting that
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  Speaker 2: it was Hummus that was interfering with aid deliveries in Gaza. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the UN finally said it was the Hummus terrorists who
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  Speaker 2: run Gaza that are stealing aid at gunpoint and keeping
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  Speaker 2: it for their own ends and profiteering, leaving the Palestinians
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  Speaker 2: of Gaza in the lurch. Well, just out of interest,
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  Speaker 2: I searched the ABC website today for any coverage of
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  Speaker 2: this important story, and I came up with nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Plenty of stories.
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  Speaker 2: Demonizing Israel wrongly over aid issues in Gaza over the years,
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  Speaker 2: but no coverage of the reality now admitted by the
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  Speaker 2: UN that Hummas, the Islamist terrorist outfit, is the problem
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  Speaker 2: harming the people of Gaza in pursuit of their evil aims.
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  Speaker 1: And just on the ABC they had the Opposition leader
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  Speaker 1: on seven thirty last night. Have a look at this bit.
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  Speaker 5: Let's talk about some other things that you raised in
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  Speaker 5: this major speech that you gave on Friday. You're critical
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  Speaker 5: in that speech of wage rises in the care economy.
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  Speaker 5: Can you spell out who in that field doesn't deserve
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  Speaker 5: a pay.
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  Speaker 6: Inc You should read the next sentence, which is I said,
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  Speaker 6: people do deserve to be well paid.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, but let's clear it up for the audience. This
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  Speaker 5: is what you said exactly. Under labor, the care economy
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  Speaker 5: has exploded. Segments of this disproportionately unionized workforce have been
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  Speaker 5: awarded hefty pay increases.
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  Speaker 1: So go to the next sentence, Sarah, Well, just on that.
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  Speaker 5: That's very clear you're making a commenty.
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  Speaker 6: You should read the next where I said, and I
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  Speaker 6: will I will say it for you that those people
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  Speaker 6: deserve to be well paid, and the way to be
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  Speaker 6: well paid is to have a strong economy.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, but hefty pay increases. Let's just stay there for
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  Speaker 5: the moment. Hefty pay increases is not someone saying it
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  Speaker 5: sounds like a good idea, So I want to not.
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  Speaker 1: Including the next sentence. It's a fair portrayal.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're saying it would have saved time, wouldn't it
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  Speaker 2: just to read those following lines? The host wouldn't read
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  Speaker 2: those lines, so I thought i'd share them with you.
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  Speaker 6: Segments of this disproportionately unionized workforce have been awarded hefty
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  Speaker 6: pay increases by the Fair Work Commission. Now later has
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  Speaker 6: has backed that with billions of dollars of additional taxpayer funds. Naturally,
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  Speaker 6: Australians expect and deserve the highest quality services. The workers
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  Speaker 6: providing these services expect and deserve to be well paid.
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  Speaker 6: No reasonable person could deny this. But even Labor, in
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  Speaker 6: its belated commitment to rain in the NDIS, has admitted
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  Speaker 6: that the trajectory is unsustainable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not, as the ABC would have it, about
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  Speaker 2: denying people any pay rises. It's about the big picture
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  Speaker 2: that this country must address. The NDIS is out of
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  Speaker 2: control and unsustainable. Labor admits that it needs to be fixed.
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  Speaker 2: This requires hard and serious conversations, not gotcha moments.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: On the back of all that, I've got something special
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  Speaker 2: to let you know about for tomorrow night, The ABC
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  Speaker 2: chairman Kim Williams will join me live here in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: He sees me as a prominent critic of the ABC,
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  Speaker 2: of course, but he also recognizes that you, like all Australians,
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  Speaker 2: fund the ABC three year taxes and you deserve to
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  Speaker 2: hear from him.
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  Speaker 1: About the ABC. So he's agreed to come on. Good
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  Speaker 1: on him.
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  Speaker 2: That's the right approach, a sensible approach, and I look
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  Speaker 2: forward to our chat live here tomorrow night. Let's catch
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  Speaker 2: up now with the Shadow Minister for Veterans Affairs and
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  Speaker 2: a former Deputy Prime Minister, Michael McCormack joining us from Waga.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Michael, pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: Chris, first up, your take on AI and whether the
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  Speaker 2: alban Easy government can actually fulfill its aims. In particular,
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  Speaker 2: do we have the reliable energy supplies that can sustain
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  Speaker 2: large data centers.
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  Speaker 7: Well only if they want to go down the nuclear path.
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  Speaker 1: Chris.
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  Speaker 7: Quite frankly, we've got agreed which is overburdened by the
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  Speaker 7: responsibility it has to give cheap and reliable energy to
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  Speaker 7: Australian consumers, whether they're people who are just residing in
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  Speaker 7: their homes or indeed heavy scale industry. We do not
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  Speaker 7: have an energy greed at the moment which can support
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  Speaker 7: all of these AI data centers which are now going
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  Speaker 7: to crop up right around the country. And nor do
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  Speaker 7: we have the water policy sufficient, and nor do we
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  Speaker 7: have I heard very closely the Prime Minister talking about
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  Speaker 7: intergovernmental arrangements. Well, when it comes to renewable energy, the
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  Speaker 7: New South Wales government can and does just ride rough
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  Speaker 7: shot over local community input and local government input and interests.
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  Speaker 7: When it comes to building these huge wind turbines and
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  Speaker 7: indeed solar factories and battery energy storage systems, they call
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  Speaker 7: it State Priority significant status and it just goes straight in,
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  Speaker 7: no questions asked. There's no local input considered. Now, is
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  Speaker 7: this what's going to happen with these data centers. I
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  Speaker 7: had developers come to see me about one at Wogga
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  Speaker 7: Wogga just east.
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  Speaker 8: Of Wogga Wogga just recently.
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  Speaker 7: Now, that's going to require a lot of water, going
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  Speaker 7: to require a lot of power and to be near
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  Speaker 7: transmission lines and will the community support it. Well, if
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  Speaker 7: it can tick off on all those three boxes, well
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  Speaker 7: good and well, But the factory remains.
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  Speaker 9: We've got a situation here in Australia where governments are
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  Speaker 9: just frauding rough shot over the local interests, particularly in
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  Speaker 9: the renewable space, and we know that certainly we just
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  Speaker 9: can't keep sustaining this huge draw on the grid.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the investors if anyone wants to set
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  Speaker 2: up a sizeable data center in this country, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to want to look after their own energy needs. They
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  Speaker 2: can't rely on our grid it's become so unreliable.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, this is a great missed opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: I think Peter Dutton was wrong to propose a government
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  Speaker 2: funded nuclear power industry that involved tens of billions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars of government expenditure. Much better to let the private
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  Speaker 2: sector do it. So if you got rid of the
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  Speaker 2: ban on nuclear energy, this is a great opportunity for
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  Speaker 2: Australia where large companies could come in here and say
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  Speaker 2: that they'll develop a data center based on a small
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  Speaker 2: modular reactor or on an agreement with a nuclear company
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  Speaker 2: to build a reactor. I mean that's happening now in
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  Speaker 2: the United States, with both Google and Microsoft actually funding
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  Speaker 2: the building and refurbishment of nuclear power plants to look
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  Speaker 2: after their needs.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, that's true, but we're also not Wlican Valley and
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  Speaker 7: we don't have the number of people to be able
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  Speaker 7: to sustain That's why Peter Dutton said, well, we're going
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  Speaker 7: to need some governor input. And I didn't disagree with
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  Speaker 7: him at the time, but yes, you're right, Chris, You're
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  Speaker 7: totally right, one hundred percent. We do need to let
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  Speaker 7: the market rip in in some degrees, but also we
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  Speaker 7: need to lift that nuclear band, and we need to
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  Speaker 7: do it to proto so that we can start the investment,
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  Speaker 7: start the whole procedure running, because it's going to take
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  Speaker 7: a lot of time and a lot of money. The
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  Speaker 7: biggest problem that we had at the last election was
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  Speaker 7: that we had politicians selling the nuclear plan, not nuclear
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  Speaker 7: businessists who could explain it in terms that would people,
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  Speaker 7: you know, people would understand, and instead we had labor
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  Speaker 7: running around talking about three headed fish and the simpstoms
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  Speaker 7: and all these other silly means, as labor often does
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  Speaker 7: to discredit what would be something that this is going
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  Speaker 7: to be the future for our energy needs. We can't
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  Speaker 7: keep sustaining this renewable ideology circus that Chris Bone's going
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  Speaker 7: on with.
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  Speaker 9: It's a fantasy and a fallacy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. We need reliable and
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  Speaker 1: affordable energy.
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  Speaker 2: That's the number one input that the country's always always needed.
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  Speaker 2: Every economy needs it, and we've surrendered it, which is madness.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get to the polls because they point
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  Speaker 2: to what's happening in the broader political situation.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good news, I would have thought for you.
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  Speaker 2: In the labor according to the Sky News poll survey,
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  Speaker 2: have dropped one percent. That's just a that's a margin
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  Speaker 2: of error fiddle, that means nothing. But one nation dropping
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  Speaker 2: four points is significant, as is the coalition picking up
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  Speaker 2: almost the same, picking up three points. So there's a
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  Speaker 2: bit of movement there from one nation back to the coalition.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's got their own spin on what's doing this, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's a monoculture or other points. What do you think
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  Speaker 2: has started to turn the tide here?
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  Speaker 9: Ah, there's a bit of movement at the station.
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  Speaker 7: The word has passed around that one nation isn't what
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  Speaker 7: they really seem. And the more that one nation talks,
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  Speaker 7: and the more that one nation tries to present its
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  Speaker 7: economic narrative, I think people will see straight through what
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  Speaker 7: one nation does represent. In Victoria, the Poles are just
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  Speaker 7: odd down there. We've got one nation riding high over
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  Speaker 7: every other party, and yet they have only one candidate
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  Speaker 7: and very little, if any branch structure, and yet they're
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  Speaker 7: topping the Poles at a time when Jess Wilson be
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  Speaker 7: the only credible alternative to what is a really bad
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  Speaker 7: just cinder all on labour. Government's been in far too
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  Speaker 7: long and send that state down the economic gurgler.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Michael McCormack, there's Shadow Minister for Veterans Affairs. Let's carry
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  Speaker 2: on this discussion about artificial intelligence and catch up with
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  Speaker 2: Simon Chris. He's the CEO of Sovereign Australia AI.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Simon, First up, could you give us your sort of
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  Speaker 2: top of mine description of how you AI will change
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  Speaker 2: our economy. It's already happening, of course, but just how
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  Speaker 2: dramatic is the change going to be to our economy?
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  Speaker 10: More broadly, I think the change is going to be
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  Speaker 10: very dramatic to the economy, and you know, we can
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  Speaker 10: lean in and see that as a great change and
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  Speaker 10: a great driver of productivity, or we can of course
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  Speaker 10: continue what we're doing, which is Corporate Australia really isn't
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  Speaker 10: adopting AI at the speed that they should, and so
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: the productivity realization just isn't happening yet.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: When you talk about adopting AI to the level it should,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: obviously it increases productivity because people can do more with less.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: But clearly that will lead to job losses in those
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: services sectors. We've already seen job losses at some of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the major banks and consultancy companies linked to AI.
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I haven't seen great examples of huge job loss
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: I've seen some very creative reporting of you know, companies
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: that needed to right size anyway, and it's just handy
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: to pointed AI. Honestly, I think the big places where
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: job losses will be felt initially won't be in Australia.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: They will be in our offshore partners. Because the jobs
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: that AI is going to take initially are those highly transactional,
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: low value type of repetitive type work, and we have
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: already out offshore those. We've sent them to the Philippines
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: and India and South Africa and Honduras, so those countries
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: are going to feel it a lot more. I think
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: there will be a lot of job reshaping in Australia,
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: but just like every other technology, it will create some
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: roles and it will deplete some roles.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: No doubt there'll be opportunities. I'll get to those in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a moment.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to our public services, surely there
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: are so many jobs in the public service which are
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: essentially processing services in back offices. Surely the days of
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: expanding our public service at the very least must be
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: over for some time because they'll be a lot to
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: do a lot more of that through AI.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: You would hope. So.
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: But you know a lot of people talk about deploying
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: AI just as you pull it out of the box,
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: turn on the switch, and away it goes, and we
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: all know that that's not what happens. What starts to
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: occur is you start to find out that your data
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: is not as clean as it was, that things aren't
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: as structured, that you don't have your organizations ontology really
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: well documented. You know, things like standard operating procedures don't
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: reflect reality. And so it's those type of things that
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: are really slowing down groups like the government and large
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: corporate from really realizing what AI can do for them.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Now talk to us about these data centers. Of course,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: AI runs through these very important data centers that we're
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: probably well placed to be in the East Asia time zone,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: a stable and modern economy which could host these not
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: just for Australia but for in large part of the region.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: To what extent are our electricity and water issues going
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: to be a constraint on that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, there's a there's a definitive divide here. We
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: need to be talking about data centers in terms of
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: those that are being built for Australia's use, for sovereign organizations,
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: for growth in our economy and what we're doing as
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: against the data centers that the big tech bros want
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: to come and build here to service the rest of
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: the world. And yes, we've got the we've got the room,
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: we've got infrastructure, we've got all the good things that
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: you talked about, But we don't want to be spending
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: those for revenue that's just going to be flowing offshore.
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: So I think there needs to be that distinction on
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: the two points around water and power. I think the
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: water one is going to rapidly become less and less
• 23:59
  Speaker 10: of an issue. We're seeing cooling systems being put into
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: GPUs now, much like the radiator cooling system in your car,
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: and we're seeing the new round of chips coming out
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: of Nvidia being able to run at temperatures like thirty
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: and thirty five degrees, so less of a need for cooling.
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: The power one is always an interesting discussion. I heard
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: you just talking a minute ago about that need. We're
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: seeing some creative solutions, people trying to put data centers
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: in containers underwater, building data centers not as one big building,
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: but as a series of forty foot containers at the
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: bottom of big wind turbines. There's multiple ways to cut
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: this up, but you are absolutely right in saying that
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: we will need to reinforce the grid and that should
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: be done at the expense of these international data centers.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Simon, I appreciate it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Simon Chris there from Sovereign Australian AI, he's the CEO there.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break. On the other side,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: we're going to look at Iran from different perspectives, the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: human factors in the country itself, and also, of course
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the critical strategic judgments. It's been six months now since
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Iran security force has launched that brutal crackdown on the
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: mass uprising in Iran, killing tens of thousands of protesters,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: and after war and cease fires since then and more war.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Here was Donald Trump's message to Iran's leaders yesterday.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: They made a deal, they broke it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: Probably ten times, and they killed a lot of people.
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: They killed our people. But the protest is what they've
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: done to the protester is fifty two thousand. Have you
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: ever seen any of the burial lives where they're doing,
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: where they're burying the protesters. They killed fifty two thousand protesters,
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: and on my watch, they can't do it that. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: we have them in a position that they don't have
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: any military there's not a thing they can do about it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So let's give an inside perspective from Iranian human rights
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: advocate Tina Kordristami, who's joined us before Welcome back to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the program. Tina said, nobody wants war, right, nobody wants bloodshed.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: They want all that minimized.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: But I was thinking there must be a lot of
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Iranian expats and people in Iran very pleased to hear
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the president talking like that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: It is hopeful for many Iranians. Again, we are all
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: against war, but people are fed up with this dictatorship.
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: They've been fed up for many decades. But time and
• 26:40
  Speaker 12: time again, we have these conversations about this geopolitical situation,
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: but we're forgetting about those who are living in Iran
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: and what they're going through. Neither the left or the
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: right is talking about those civilians, these victims, and now
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: the voice is in a diaspora are also being questioned.
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: When we come out and say for fifty thousand people
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: have died, we are told by everyone in the West
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: that we are incorrect, we're spreading lies. And this has
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: really become the biggest problem that we're all facing right now,
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: because how can we broadcast our family's voices within the
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: country when we're constantly criticized and not believed.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very difficult.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And the other point here is that while there's been
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: this stalemate and cease fire and hopes for a resolution,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: it's benefited the Western world the rest of the world
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: because the straits have been open, fuel prices have come down,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: and people think, well, that's all right. But meanwhile, back
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: in Iran, the economy, the suffering from the war and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the sanctions and the blockade, it must have caused enormous
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: ongoing trauma on top of the persecution from the regime.
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, the prisoners especially, they're the ones that we keep
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: advocating for because they've been stuck there for so long now,
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: and we all know that once there's a war taking place,
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: or any pressure put on the regime, is the prisoners
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: that really get affected the most, alongside the executions they
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: are taking place daily. There's cranes all over the country.
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: But I've really got to say this, Chris. People need
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: to understand the only intention that the Islamic regime has
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: is to spread its revolutionary rhetoric, which is the Islamic
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: Sharia law. It has no care for anything else. So
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: when people in the West like to talk about anti
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: imperialism and they broadcast or platform voices who serve the
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: regime to do so, they need to understand that they
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: are in that moment silencing the victims of the regime
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: just because it suits their political narrative.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: And we know what's happened to the victims of the regime.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: We know that tens of thousands have been killed for
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: daring to question it. We know that women in particular
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: are persecuted, as well as other religious and ethnic groups,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and too much of that has fallen away from the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: public debate. That must frustrate you enormously. How much information
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: are ea to get out of around at the moment?
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: The information that we get it, you know, it tends
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: to come and go but because people are so scared
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: to talk about what's happening openly and freely, that's the
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: biggest problem we're facing.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Will they be hoping that Donald Trump is again focused
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: on regime change, They.
• 29:19
  Speaker 12: Will be hopeful if anyone is focused on regime change
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: within the country again. We want to make sure that
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: the people within a run they themselves get the chance
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: to overthrow the regime. We want to make sure that
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: the country falls into the hands of Iranians in the future,
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: but they need help to get there. If they could
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: get there by now, they would have only five percent
• 29:40
  Speaker 12: by force within that country support the regime. That's a
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: whole lot of people who don't.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Tina, I appreciate it. To
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the cord astronomy. There is part of the Australian Iranian diaspora.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I want to get to the widest strategic front on
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: this issue and US forces have launched another round of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: strikes on Iran as the conflict escalatees.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Here's the lightest from ABC America tonight.
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: An abrupt reversal from President Trump, backing off his plans
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: to charge a twenty percent protection fee for cargo passing
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: through the Strait of Hormuz. Trump changing his tune after
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: oil price is soared and American Gulf allies called to
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: complain tonight, one thing is clear. The Strait of Hormus
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: is closed. Iran firing on multiple cargo ships and on
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: American allies in the region, Sentcom saying US forces are
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: now bombarding Iran quote degrading Iranian capabilities used to attack
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: commercial shipping in the strait.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the Australian columnist Tom Switzer again.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: He joins us from Queensland. Tom, this has been off again,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: on again. There have been delays, but Donald Trump seems
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to be recommitting to his original intent, that is to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: get rid of this reijaime as well as this nuclear
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: weapons program.
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: Well, Chris, I think the underlying problem he is that
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: the problem that Trump is trying to fix that is
• 31:04
  Speaker 14: reopened the straight of Hall Moves, which as you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 14: accounts for about twenty percent of global oil, gas and fertilizers.
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: That problem did not exist before February twenty eight. Before
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: February twenty eight, when the US and Israel conducted their
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: strikes on Iran, there was freedom of navigation through the
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: Strait of hor moves. But since February twenty eight, the
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: Iranians have used their strategic coercive leverage to essentially shut
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: it down or at least try to control it. Now
• 31:34
  Speaker 14: we've got the World Cup soccer going on in soccer parlance,
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: that's an own goal on the part of the Trump administration,
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: and he's left laundering.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that when those ships, when that
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: shipping was running freely through the Straight of Humors, it
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: was of course enriching Iran and supporting Iran, and Iran
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: was firing directly onto Israel. Iran was supporting and funding
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: and directing terrorists against Israel, from Hamas to Hesballad to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the Huties, and of course it was proceeding with this
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons intentions. So they're the problems that Israel and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the United States were attempting to deal with. They remain
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: problems for the world, and surely it's a good thing
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that Trump is recommitting to achieving those goals.
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: Well, I mean, if you go back to February, in
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: the negotiations between the Americans and the Iranians through the Ormanians,
• 32:32
  Speaker 14: there were three main goals and you just mentioned them.
• 32:34
  Speaker 14: It was to get rid of their enrichment Uranian program,
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: to get rid of their ballistic missile program, and in
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: their ties to their militia proxies. All those things, three
• 32:46
  Speaker 14: things still exist. But what happened in the meantime is
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: the straight up all moves has become a problem. This
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: is what's taking up all of Joernald Trump's oxygen. And
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: he knows, I mean, he said this. He doesn't want
• 32:57
  Speaker 14: to be the second coming of her. But Hoover, we
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: discussed this last week. Herbert Herbert was the US president
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: from nineteen twenty nine to thirty three, whose economic policy
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: has triggered the global depression. Trump wants to shut this
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: thing down because he knows we're on the edge of
• 33:12
  Speaker 14: an economic precipice. So that's his priority now. But of
• 33:16
  Speaker 14: course he's frustrated, and I can't blame him. The Iranians
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: are playing hardball. But the idea that escalating this via airstrikes,
• 33:25
  Speaker 14: and we tried that from February twenty eight through April seven,
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: and now a naval blockade again. We tried that from
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: mid April to mid June. The idea this is going
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: to make the Iranians yield. It looks like they're going
• 33:38
  Speaker 14: to play hardball, and this thing has no happy ending.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's going to be a lot more to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the strategy than that. Presumably there's got to be a
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: political strategy as well. But the reality is the rest
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of the Western world is not involved in this, even
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: though they of course have to deal with the consequences.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And you either agree that those aims are worth pursuing
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: or you don't, because it's never going to be easy to.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Get rid of.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: This is on mister extremist regime. It's a terrorist intent
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: or it's nuclear intent.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: That's never going to be easy. You can't negotiate that away.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: The Western world's been trying to do that for nearly
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: fifty years.
• 34:16
  Speaker 14: Yeah, but President Trump should have sold this war by
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: than he did. You and I did a segment on
• 34:21
  Speaker 14: the day of President Trump's State of the Union address
• 34:24
  Speaker 14: three days before the February twenty eight campaign. It was
• 34:28
  Speaker 14: a two hour address. He talked about Iran in thirty seconds. Extraordinary.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 34:35
  Speaker 14: Now, as you know, I've been a critic of President
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: George W. Bush for the Iraq War and Tony Blair
• 34:39
  Speaker 14: and John Howard. But give them credit. They prepared the country,
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: they prepared their legislatures for what became a long wad.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I agree, but Donald Trump, you can't do that now.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: He's got to deal with the era. Now.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: That would have been good advice back back in the day,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: and it was. But he's got to still deal with
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: the situation.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: That's the problem.
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: Well, look, brief of this regime. It's a brutal shit
• 35:02
  Speaker 14: theacratic regime. But they think they're facing an existential threat
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: from the Americans and the Israelis, and they'll eat grass
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: if they have to before they buckle to America's demands.
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: This is the kind of regime we're dealing with. But
• 35:14
  Speaker 14: Trump didn't think about these unintended consequences before we leaunched
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: launched the war on February twenty eight.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Chris, no doubt.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: We'll continue this conversation next week's Tom. I appreciate it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: We're out of time. Tom switched that he can read
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: his stuff in the Australian. We've got to get to
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: a break after the break. This fly is annoying me.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. After the break went across to the UK.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Very serious issue there, a horrible murder. Was it an
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: act of political terrorism? Don't go away? Counter terrorist and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: police in the UK have taken charge of the investigation
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: into the murder. The former Conservative minister turned to a
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: form UK spokesperson and Whittacumbe investigators say they are pursuing
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: several lines of inquiry as a man remains in custody
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: suspected of murder. Here's the ladders from sky News UK.
• 36:06
  Speaker 15: After counter terrorism police took the lead, new evidence has
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: emerged over the nature of the attack.
• 36:13
  Speaker 16: It is clear that this was a targeted attack. We
• 36:19
  Speaker 16: are still working to understand the extent of any planning
• 36:22
  Speaker 16: or preparation and the motivation that sits behind that attack.
• 36:27
  Speaker 15: There are now multiple lines of inquiry, including digital forensic
• 36:31
  Speaker 15: examinations and Winacomb appeared on TV on the morning of
• 36:36
  Speaker 15: her death. Whether that motivated the attacker is a line
• 36:40
  Speaker 15: of inquiry. The question of safety of politicians past and
• 36:44
  Speaker 15: present is back in the spotlight while the investigation into
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: this targeted attack continues.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Let's cross to London and catch up with the writer
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of broadcaster Estherkraker. Esther, this is a shocking story, really disturbing.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Even the Guardian is reporting that police are contemplating this
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: was an attack by a leftist atist a motivated political attack.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: What's the lightest from London?
• 37:14
  Speaker 17: I mean, so far, that's what we are hearing that
• 37:17
  Speaker 17: this may likely have been a politically motivated attack, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: I can tell you it's really really shaken a lot
• 37:24
  Speaker 17: of British media. A lot of studios are on high alert.
• 37:27
  Speaker 17: I mean they always were. There was always security outside
• 37:30
  Speaker 17: of studios, there was always security to escort guests.
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: In and out of the studio.
• 37:34
  Speaker 17: You know, there's always security with regards to who can
• 37:36
  Speaker 17: access the building, but that's even been heightened. I know
• 37:39
  Speaker 17: many broadcasters that are concerned about going into the studio
• 37:42
  Speaker 17: because they think, you know what if it's me next.
• 37:45
  Speaker 17: It's really really shaken people to the core and I
• 37:48
  Speaker 17: think what the country is probably really from.
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: Even more have been the.
• 37:51
  Speaker 17: Reactions to this now that it has been established that
• 37:53
  Speaker 17: it's more than more likely than not a politically motivated
• 37:57
  Speaker 17: attempted murder. And you know the BBC, for example, platforming
• 38:03
  Speaker 17: an environmental activist who sat on TV on our national
• 38:09
  Speaker 17: broadcaster and talked about how she didn't have rights because
• 38:12
  Speaker 17: of Anne Wittikom's conservative views, which.
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: I find quite frankly horrifying.
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: And this idea or this normalization that someone's political views
• 38:21
  Speaker 17: is basically a carte blanche to murder them, even if
• 38:25
  Speaker 17: there are a seventy eight year old woman. So it
• 38:28
  Speaker 17: really has, you know, shaken the country because this is
• 38:30
  Speaker 17: not the first time we've seen politically motivated murders.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: We've seen MPs being murders, murdered for.
• 38:35
  Speaker 17: Their political views, and it seems it pains me to
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: say that this is probably going to fall within that
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: same category.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a terrible and growing worry about political debate,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: and it's across Western liberal democracies. Of course, there are
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: right wing height figures that have been threats and violence
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: from right wing figures, but there has been a predominance
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: on the left the dehumanizing of their political opponents, the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: demonizing of their political opponents.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: We saw it in the US where they were effectively.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Celebrating and justifying the murder of Charlie Kirk, and that
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: to the extent that this is reflected in public debate,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: it's only going to end up in one consequence. It's
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: a disastrous problem.
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  Speaker 8: It is a cancer.
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  Speaker 17: I mean, I think what I've noticed from sort of
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  Speaker 17: the trends that we're seeing in this kind of space movement,
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  Speaker 17: whatever you want to call it, is that while there
• 39:29
  Speaker 17: are hate figures, of course on both the left and
• 39:31
  Speaker 17: the right, there seems to be a greater preponance of
• 39:34
  Speaker 17: mental illness as well, and that seems to overlap with
• 39:38
  Speaker 17: hateful figures, particularly on the left, that think any means
• 39:41
  Speaker 17: is justify to try and get rid of their political opponents.
• 39:43
  Speaker 17: And I don't think you just see that level of
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: mental illness on the right or right wing hate figures
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  Speaker 17: in the same way.
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  Speaker 8: And I think that's something that needs.
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: To be addressed because I don't think it's necessarily a
• 39:54
  Speaker 17: coincidence that people that hold the kinds of extreme views
• 39:56
  Speaker 17: that they do with regards to thinking that anyone who
• 39:59
  Speaker 17: has a differing viewers as basically some form of Nazi.
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  Speaker 17: I don't think it's surprising that they think they're then
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: justified in killing what they would see as a Nazi.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: And I think that's what makes the difference.
• 40:10
  Speaker 17: There are her right wing hate figures, but I think
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: they're probably called out by the right in a very
• 40:14
  Speaker 17: significant way.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think the same can be argued for many
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: on the left.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we've got to call it out, they've got
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: to start calling it out much more strongly. I just
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts getting back to the political debate,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the broader political debate on what can be Badenock, the
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: US opposition leader, the UK opposition leader, has had to say,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and she says that I've said many times that the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Conservative Party is for serious people, not drama queens. If
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: someone still believes in net zero targets that make energy
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: more expensive and are destroying industry, they are not coming back.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: If someone thinks that the European Convention on Human Rights
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: can be wished away rather than being dealt with properly,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: they are not serious. She's making it very clear that
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: her party is for Conservatives, as the name might suggest.
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  Speaker 17: Yes, and she doesn't have an enviable job trying to
• 41:01
  Speaker 17: purchase the Tory Party of what I would say, but
• 41:05
  Speaker 17: she is at least trying, and I think a lot
• 41:06
  Speaker 17: of people are admiring her for her efforts. I mean,
• 41:09
  Speaker 17: there is a pressure group prosper UK in the UK
• 41:12
  Speaker 17: that's arguing that believing in net zero doesn't make someone
• 41:14
  Speaker 17: not a Conservative. Well, yes it does, and you are
• 41:17
  Speaker 17: very welcome to form your own net zero party and
• 41:19
  Speaker 17: see how you get on with the conservative vote. But
• 41:21
  Speaker 17: the fact that they are Tory Centrist, which is basically
• 41:24
  Speaker 17: a euphemism for a socialist. Arguing against this just shows
• 41:27
  Speaker 17: that Kenmy Badenock is right to draw a line in
• 41:30
  Speaker 17: the sand. You have to have something that differentiates you
• 41:32
  Speaker 17: from the other parties. If not, people are just voting
• 41:34
  Speaker 17: for the Labor Party in Blue. There is no reason
• 41:37
  Speaker 17: for Britain to bankrupt itself for net zero policies. There's
• 41:40
  Speaker 17: no reason to be buying gas from Norway and the US,
• 41:44
  Speaker 17: and in the case of Norway, they are getting their
• 41:46
  Speaker 17: gas from the same gas field that we use in
• 41:48
  Speaker 17: the North Sea.
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: So it doesn't make any sense at all.
• 41:51
  Speaker 17: And to argue that that's somehow not economic suicide for
• 41:53
  Speaker 17: the UK is prankly for the birds.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: It's not rational. It doesn't steck up. Thanks for cutting
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: through for us and Esther, I appreciate it. Esther Craker there.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: With shocking developments in politics in the UK, we got
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to get to a break. We have the Wednesday wrangled
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: with Danika and justin Labor and their green dream being
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: caught out. Just a couple of updates before we go
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: on that fly that was annoying me.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I got it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I swatted it with the paper no chemicals used in
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the destruction of that fly. On a more serious note,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I talked at the top of the program about the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: ABC not covering that UN story about AMAS.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I have found a story here. It is.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: The ABC have covered the UN statement. It was covered
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: yesterday morning or overnights. They pretty much just reprinted what
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the UN had said about that. But that's good a
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: tick to them. They actually covered it, although I might
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: have kicked off the evening news with it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: But just important to share that with you.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Let's get onto the Wednesday wrangle now in the late debate,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: co host is on the desk with me. Denika to Georgia,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: good to have you again, and this is your last appearance.
• 42:55
  Speaker 18: It's my last appearance.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: You're justin or missed, so busy, so much to for
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Deneka's services across the interwebs and everywhere that she won't
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: be able to squeeze in from next week.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And Justin Smith, Justin's going on. We're going to have to.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Find someone else to go up against. Donique is not
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: up to it anymore.
• 43:14
  Speaker 18: Sorry, Justin, Sorry, Justin? Other shows are my own shows requiring?
• 43:18
  Speaker 18: Now enough to keep debating you.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: But I know, okay, Well, tell us about artificial intelligence.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Justin your thoughts on it.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albernez is going to control our future by shaping.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: The AI world.
• 43:33
  Speaker 19: Well, I'm glad he's having the discussion about it, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 19: I'm not sure if he's had the right discussion about
• 43:38
  Speaker 19: it yet. And I must admit it, I did get
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: a little stirred up when he started talking about the
• 43:43
  Speaker 19: Pope at the very start of his He's addressed today,
• 43:48
  Speaker 19: because I'm not really sure where the Pope plays into.
• 43:52
  Speaker 19: You know, I think keeping religion out of AI and
• 43:55
  Speaker 19: most other things would probably be not a bad move
• 43:58
  Speaker 19: for a person like myself as an atheist. But I'm glad. Look,
• 44:02
  Speaker 19: I'm really glad he's talking about it, having the discussion.
• 44:04
  Speaker 19: I'm not you know what the plan is going to be,
• 44:07
  Speaker 19: and the finer points of that plan are going to
• 44:09
  Speaker 19: be incredibly important. But and I hope we never jump
• 44:14
  Speaker 19: into anything too quick with this thing. But it's moving
• 44:16
  Speaker 19: at a hell of a pace, isn't it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: A hell of a pace? Maybe AI is getting so
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: powerful justin it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Will answer that question for you and get get you
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: out of your yes, your atheism.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe it will decide whether or not there is a god.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: We'll have to pump that money into the system at
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: some stage.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Check.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Look, but first up, I just want to show what
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's had to say, because he's picked up on
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the point that I mentioned at the top of the program,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and that is that this this AI revolutions really should
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: sort of help us to minimize the bureaucracy. But our bow, well,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: he's going to create an office of AI.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Here's Angus Taylor.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: What he's announced is an office in an office inside
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: his own office. He's going to have another office. And
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: what is that office going to do? I mean, honestly,
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: the answer to this is not more bureaucracy. The trouble
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: with this Prime Minister and this government is the answer
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: to every problem, he's always more bureaucracy.
• 45:11
  Speaker 20: You're here.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I couldn't disagree with that absolutely.
• 45:14
  Speaker 18: You know, he's going to create this office in an
• 45:16
  Speaker 18: already bloated public service. How much is this going to
• 45:19
  Speaker 18: cost the taxpayer? That's what I would like to know.
• 45:22
  Speaker 18: My favorite part of that speech today was when Anthony
• 45:24
  Speaker 18: Aberzi said, the world is looking at us now. I
• 45:27
  Speaker 18: don't know about you, Chris, but I'm not sure who
• 45:30
  Speaker 18: in the world is looking at Anthony Albanesi for advice
• 45:32
  Speaker 18: on AI and who's looking at Australia for it. But
• 45:36
  Speaker 18: you know, look, I just wonder if this is a
• 45:37
  Speaker 18: ploy for his own legacy, because he's announcing this as
• 45:40
  Speaker 18: world first reforms. Remember he announced his world first social
• 45:44
  Speaker 18: media ban for under sixteens, And I just wonder if
• 45:47
  Speaker 18: this is just another leg to Anthony Albanesi's legacy of
• 45:50
  Speaker 18: being this world first prime minister.
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: That's all it is.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, having worked in and with the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: bureaucracy over the years, here's what happens on day one,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: as the people are with their big salaries are put
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: into the office of AI.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: First of all, they'll.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Wait for the coffee cart and have a couple of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: tea on the morning, maybe have lunch first some stage
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: on day one they'll type into AI, could you please
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: devise an AI strategy for Australia twenty five thousands and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: they'll print it off about a month later.
• 46:21
  Speaker 19: Anger seems to be all around intelligence. You know, they
• 46:24
  Speaker 19: could always ask him. I'm not sure what kind of
• 46:27
  Speaker 19: answer that was from Angus. I'm still trying to decipher
• 46:30
  Speaker 19: what he was talking.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: It was an office in an office, AI office in
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: an office in an office, and he's spot on more bureaucracy.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Let's go to more madness on the UK here. Well,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: they're telling us now that we've got to speak to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: our children.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: In non gendered terms.
• 46:45
  Speaker 20: I think one of the most useful shifts we can
• 46:47
  Speaker 20: make is, rather than focusing on identity and trying to
• 46:50
  Speaker 20: win in anat gender, move to cultivating character instead.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Good girl, you worked really hard.
• 46:57
  Speaker 20: You should feel proud of yourself.
• 46:59
  Speaker 15: What you boy.
• 47:01
  Speaker 20: I saw how nervous you were, but you kept going
• 47:04
  Speaker 20: even though it was difficult. One describes who the child is,
• 47:07
  Speaker 20: the other notices what they choose to do.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I'm in trouble here, Denika.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I often say my boys, good boy, good boy, chap boy,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: good little manly.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: But that clip was nauseating.
• 47:19
  Speaker 15: I could not possibly sit.
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: There and listen to that woman.
• 47:21
  Speaker 18: You know, it's such a shame that we are really
• 47:23
  Speaker 18: trying to eraise basic human biology. And I feel really
• 47:26
  Speaker 18: bad for parents because they can't win at the moment
• 47:28
  Speaker 18: because I left always attacking them. No matter how it is,
• 47:31
  Speaker 18: there are so many women out there. Don't forget Chris,
• 47:33
  Speaker 18: that actually can't have parents and the prospect of having
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: a little girl and calling them by a little girl
• 47:38
  Speaker 18: or calling them, you know, well done to my little boy.
• 47:42
  Speaker 18: It's actually quite offensive. Offensive, And don't forget they're also
• 47:46
  Speaker 18: trying to raise parents at the same time. It's birthing parent.
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: That's apparently the correct term. Can't say mum and dad anymore.
• 47:51
  Speaker 18: I don't know about you as a dad. If that
• 47:53
  Speaker 18: offends you, I don't know.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I like being called dad. It's one of the best
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: things in the world to be called.
• 47:57
  Speaker 18: Dad, absolutely, and I'm sure that so many parents would
• 47:59
  Speaker 18: agree with you. But it's actually a raising basic biology
• 48:01
  Speaker 18: and basic.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Rights very quickly from you justin PLO.
• 48:08
  Speaker 19: That was pretty rough to watch, wasn't it. And the
• 48:11
  Speaker 19: worst thing about it, and we've had this discussion before,
• 48:14
  Speaker 19: is it doesn't help people. That does not help trans
• 48:17
  Speaker 19: people in any way, sharpe or form, and all something
• 48:20
  Speaker 19: like that does is lifts it up to make it
• 48:23
  Speaker 19: a more divisive issue. So people who want to use
• 48:26
  Speaker 19: it for the wrong purposes and wanted to use it
• 48:29
  Speaker 19: for political crap debate have even more ammunition right sadly,
• 48:34
  Speaker 19: and there's plenty of those people around.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: If that was hard to watch.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Imagine how hard this is going to be to watch
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: because the Sussex what's your name, Meghan, Megan, Meghan of
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Sussex or whatever she calls usself. She's going to be
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: on Master Chef next week. Here's a bit of a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: taste from Netflix on her and cooking.
• 48:52
  Speaker 21: You see where rainbow is coming together here and you
• 48:55
  Speaker 21: don't have to do a big platter of this. You
• 48:57
  Speaker 21: could do this with one small row for your kids
• 48:59
  Speaker 21: for breakfast, genuinely, and it makes the morning a lot
• 49:02
  Speaker 21: more fun. It's a real delight in being able to
• 49:05
  Speaker 21: be a present parent, and it's a luxury sometimes because
• 49:08
  Speaker 21: we all have to work, we all have a lot.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: Of stuff to do.
• 49:10
  Speaker 21: But when you can take a minute to just Saturday morning, yeah,
• 49:15
  Speaker 21: there you go.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Justin cooking. So you just cut up some fruit and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: put them there and that, well, there you go. That's
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the Megan wife You've got to cook for showing us.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us justin luck with everything
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: else you're doing, and we'll find someone to replace it.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks Chris, thanks for joining me. I'll be back tomorrow
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: night with Kim Williams. Don't miss it. His credline with
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Jamie Rodgers,